WEBVTT - Sir Christopher Lee

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class fun stuff

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<v Speaker 1>Works dot Com. Hello, and welcome to the podcast. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>Holly Fry and I'm Tracy. And it has become a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit of a tradition since Tracy and I have

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<v Speaker 1>been hosting the show that UH as we head into

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<v Speaker 1>the Halloween season, we usually do an episode or two

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<v Speaker 1>about the life of a famous horror actor. And this

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<v Speaker 1>year we lost a man of incredible stature and fame,

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<v Speaker 1>Christopher Lee, And we don't usually cover someone that reaches

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<v Speaker 1>into the very recent past, but he was quite amazing

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<v Speaker 1>in a number of ways. Uh. He wasn't just a

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<v Speaker 1>famous star of the silver screen. He was, by any account,

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<v Speaker 1>a really amazing man. He spoke multiple languages, he was

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<v Speaker 1>an incredible singer, he was a skilled fencer, he was

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<v Speaker 1>great at golf. It's one of those things that when

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<v Speaker 1>he died, a lot of people asked us, oh, please

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<v Speaker 1>do an episode, and it didn't seem quite right to

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<v Speaker 1>jump on the dogpile of coverage of his life that

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<v Speaker 1>was going on. Then we didn't kind of do one

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<v Speaker 1>where it natchal more actually fit into our usual schedule

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<v Speaker 1>anyway of doing a horror actor. But He's so much

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<v Speaker 1>more than a horror actor. And what really makes him

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<v Speaker 1>interesting to me in context of this podcast is that

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<v Speaker 1>he was also at many intersections of sort of famous

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<v Speaker 1>historical events, and he was tied through family to numerous

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<v Speaker 1>famous historical figures. So today we're going to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>the life of Christopher Lee. Christopher Frank karendin E Lee

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<v Speaker 1>was born on May seven, nineteen twenty two, in London's

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<v Speaker 1>Bell Gravy neighborhood, and she would decidedly upscale household. His

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<v Speaker 1>mother was Italian and she was the Contessa Estelle Marie.

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<v Speaker 1>Through his mother's noble line in Italy, we had a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of connections that were basically as we just referred to,

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<v Speaker 1>went back to very important historical figures. Estella was a

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<v Speaker 1>distant relative through marriage of the Borges and Prince Alexander

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<v Speaker 1>of Battenberg. Queen Victoria's grandson was Christopher's godfather, and his father,

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<v Speaker 1>Jeffrey Lee, was a soldier that had served in the

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<v Speaker 1>Boer War and World War One, and Jeffrey and Estell

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<v Speaker 1>had two children together to Christopher and his older sister Xandra.

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<v Speaker 1>But Jeffrey had some gambling problems and because of those,

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<v Speaker 1>the marriage turned sour and the couple separated in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>twenty six, so Christopher would have only been a small

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<v Speaker 1>boy of four at that point. Estelle moved to Sweden

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<v Speaker 1>with the children, and two years later the divorce was finalized.

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<v Speaker 1>The contessa and her children moved back to London and

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<v Speaker 1>leave mother remarried, taking Harcourt George sank Qui Rose as

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<v Speaker 1>her second husband. He was a banker, and when Christopher

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<v Speaker 1>was seventeen, his stepfather went bankrupt and his mother's second

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<v Speaker 1>marriage fell apart, kind of all presumably related, and he

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<v Speaker 1>ended his school at Wellington College, and he had actually

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<v Speaker 1>attended Wellington because the family was already having trouble before

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<v Speaker 1>this and couldn't afford to enroll him at Eton, even

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<v Speaker 1>though he had passed the entrance exams and had been

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<v Speaker 1>admitted there, And so once he stopped his schooling, he

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<v Speaker 1>got a job working as a city clerk to help

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<v Speaker 1>make ends meet. That's same year, which was nineteen thirty nine.

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<v Speaker 1>Lee was also present at a unique historical event which

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<v Speaker 1>was the last public execution by guillotine, and that took

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<v Speaker 1>place in France on June seventeenth of that year. Eugene

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<v Speaker 1>Wideman was put to death for multiple murders and kidnappings,

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<v Speaker 1>and Lee was there in the crowd. He apparently was

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<v Speaker 1>something of an execution buff and he allegedly memorized the

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<v Speaker 1>names of all public executioners employed by England going back

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<v Speaker 1>for centuries. Yeah, that's a whole interesting story in and

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<v Speaker 1>of itself, and I would kind of love to cover

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<v Speaker 1>that particular execution because it is unique and that we

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<v Speaker 1>have pictures of it, which is not normally the case.

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<v Speaker 1>Because the crowd was so unruly that it took longer

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<v Speaker 1>than expected and the sun came up so people could

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<v Speaker 1>actually get good photographs. Uh. So it's that's a whole

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<v Speaker 1>fascinating event and he was there for that. Uh And

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen thirty nine, Christopher also volunteered with Finnish forces

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<v Speaker 1>that were fighting in World War Two. Many British soldiers did.

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<v Speaker 1>He didn't see any actual fighting. He was stationed in

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<v Speaker 1>said instead with the rest of the British volunteers at

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<v Speaker 1>a safely removed from the action guard duty assignment, and

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<v Speaker 1>he later worked in the military as an office clerk

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<v Speaker 1>and switchboard operator. In two Lee enlisted with the Royal

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<v Speaker 1>Air Force. He couldn't fly because he had vision problems.

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<v Speaker 1>Though consequently he worked as an intelligence officer for the

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<v Speaker 1>Long Range Desert Control during World War Two. Primarily this

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<v Speaker 1>was in North Africa and Italy and during his time

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<v Speaker 1>and intelligence, after a while he was selected for Churchill's

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<v Speaker 1>Elite Special Operations Group, and this is known by the

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<v Speaker 1>best nickname of all time, the Ministry of Ungentlemanly Warfare. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And while the work of this unit is still classified,

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<v Speaker 1>Lee did speak on several occasions throughout his life about

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<v Speaker 1>having witnessed some very terrible things during this time and

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<v Speaker 1>having had to harden himself to it. And he was

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<v Speaker 1>so sort of self aware that you could tell he

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<v Speaker 1>really trying to kind of reconcile this, you know, having

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<v Speaker 1>to to both be someone who was hardened to things

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<v Speaker 1>like that and also be very compassionate person. And it's

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<v Speaker 1>one of those things that, uh, it's easy to think

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<v Speaker 1>of sort of this kind of activity, this uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Ministry of Ungentlemanly Warfare in terms of the Christopher Lee

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<v Speaker 1>that we've seen playing villains in films. But keep in

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<v Speaker 1>mind that he was really barely out of you know,

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<v Speaker 1>boyhood at this point. He was in his very early

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<v Speaker 1>twenties during the war. After the war ended, he was

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<v Speaker 1>part of a unit that was tasked with investigating war crimes.

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<v Speaker 1>In part because his flew of his fluency and multiple languages,

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<v Speaker 1>his group was tasked with tracking war criminals, and in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen forty six, his military career concluded. And coming up,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to talk about the career that made Lee

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<v Speaker 1>a household name. But first let's have a word from

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<v Speaker 1>one of the great sponsors that keeps the show going.

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<v Speaker 1>In ninety seven, Christopher Lee switched fields completely when he

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<v Speaker 1>opted to pursue an acting career. And he had been

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<v Speaker 1>offered a desk job with his pre war employer when

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<v Speaker 1>World War Two had ended and he had finalized his

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<v Speaker 1>military career, but he actually turned that job down. And

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<v Speaker 1>this move into acting was against the wishes of his mother.

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<v Speaker 1>She really felt that acting was for people of questionable morals.

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<v Speaker 1>In part, this turn into acting was influenced by Christopher

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<v Speaker 1>Lee's relative, Nicolo Carandini. He used his business and political

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<v Speaker 1>influence as an Italian ambassador to Great Britain to convince

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<v Speaker 1>his friend Felippo del Gudach, who ran a film studio,

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<v Speaker 1>to get Christopher a seven year contract with the Rank

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<v Speaker 1>Entertainment Group. But even though Rank made the deal, the

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<v Speaker 1>prevailion of the prevailing opinion was that Christopher Lee was

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<v Speaker 1>too tall to be an actor. Later in his life

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<v Speaker 1>he would say like he would say that that's like

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<v Speaker 1>saying you're too short to play the piano. Indeed, and

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<v Speaker 1>he was certainly handsome, and he was an English gentleman

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<v Speaker 1>to the core, but he really struggled to find leading

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<v Speaker 1>man roles. He was told, as we just mentioned, that

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<v Speaker 1>his high which was six five almost two meters and

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<v Speaker 1>his dark skin would not make him a believable English

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<v Speaker 1>gentleman in film. So he was cast constantly as outsiders

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<v Speaker 1>and villains. If there was a non Caucasian character in

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<v Speaker 1>a film. This was remember at a time when films

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<v Speaker 1>often did not seek out actors that were actually from

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<v Speaker 1>the um background that they were the character was, he

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<v Speaker 1>would always get cast in those. So if there was

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<v Speaker 1>an Arab, if there was a uh a Latino character,

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<v Speaker 1>basically anything that was not a white English gentleman, they

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<v Speaker 1>would just give it to Christopher Lee. To get an

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<v Speaker 1>acting education. Lee first performed in repertory theater productions with Rank,

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<v Speaker 1>but these stage pays, we're really not to his liking.

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<v Speaker 1>He floundered in front of a live audience and in

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<v Speaker 1>one instance got laughter when he wasn't supposed to, when

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<v Speaker 1>he accidentally put his hand through a part of the

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<v Speaker 1>set that was supposed to be a window with glass

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<v Speaker 1>in it. Yeah, it was just one of those moments

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<v Speaker 1>of absurdity and kind of confusion, and he really, as

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<v Speaker 1>you can, I can't imagine how how Christopher Lee would

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<v Speaker 1>react to being laughed at, particularly when he was a

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<v Speaker 1>younger man. Um And this next story I will explain

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<v Speaker 1>why I tell it because it's a little, uh, not

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<v Speaker 1>really off color, but it's it's body humor. As part

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<v Speaker 1>of the Rank Organization's youth company, which was also colloquial

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<v Speaker 1>called colloquially called the Charm School, he also appeared on

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<v Speaker 1>the BBC magazine program Kaleidoscope a couple of times, and

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<v Speaker 1>in these cases, these young actors would act out charades

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<v Speaker 1>that were designed to represent a word that viewers were

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to guess. It was kind of like an at

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<v Speaker 1>home play along part of the show. And apparently, uh

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<v Speaker 1>he only did this couple of times, but one of

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<v Speaker 1>the most famous and unintentionally funny appearances that he made

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<v Speaker 1>on the show happened because when Lee, who was playing

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<v Speaker 1>a police commissioner, stormed into the scene to chastise an

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<v Speaker 1>actor who was playing an inspector, the other actor, Richard Molinas,

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<v Speaker 1>had a terrible case of gas, possibly because he was nervous,

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<v Speaker 1>and he began farting audibly for several minutes while they

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<v Speaker 1>played the rest of the scene. And I don't usually

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<v Speaker 1>like like gassy bodily function humor, but the thought of

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<v Speaker 1>Taul Elegance or Christopher Lee, as a young man trying

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<v Speaker 1>to keep a straight face through such an ordeal kind

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<v Speaker 1>of cracks me up. It just seems so incongruous with

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<v Speaker 1>who he is in my mind. Lee also got swordplay

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<v Speaker 1>training as a member of Ranks Charm School, and he

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<v Speaker 1>was really good at it, so that would go on

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<v Speaker 1>to serve him for the rest of his theatrical career.

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<v Speaker 1>And The Many Faces of Christopher Lee, which is a

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<v Speaker 1>biographical documentary that was released in he said that he

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<v Speaker 1>believed he had been in more sword fights on screen

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<v Speaker 1>than any other actor. He was also extremely frank that

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<v Speaker 1>in many instances he got carved up a bit. His

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<v Speaker 1>primary advice was that you always have to make things

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<v Speaker 1>feel like you'd truly like to harm the other person. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of physical acting, he really went for it,

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<v Speaker 1>and he you know, that's dangerous, so sometimes he got hurt. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>He got his first film work the year after he

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<v Speaker 1>had made the decision to become an act or. He

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<v Speaker 1>played a very small part in a film about sort

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<v Speaker 1>of this Gothic romance that crossed multiple reincarnations called Corridor

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<v Speaker 1>of Mirrors, and that same year he also had a

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<v Speaker 1>small uncredited role in the Lawrence Olivier adaptation of Hamlet.

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<v Speaker 1>He got his big break when he was cast in

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<v Speaker 1>his first Hammer film, which was the Curse of Frankenstein.

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<v Speaker 1>This was a nineteen fifty seven He acted alongside Peter Cushing,

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<v Speaker 1>who played Victor Frankenstein. The best of friends. The two

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<v Speaker 1>of them was star in numerous Hammer films together throughout

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<v Speaker 1>their careers. You know, the first ten years of his

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<v Speaker 1>career really he was just taking every party could, kind

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<v Speaker 1>of paying his dues, working in the trenches, doing all

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<v Speaker 1>the work. And then this opportunity came up and it

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<v Speaker 1>really made him instantly famous. Um later, when Christopher Lee

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<v Speaker 1>described the experience of getting into makeup for this part

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<v Speaker 1>to a journalist. He said, quote when I was in

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<v Speaker 1>full makeup as the creature, which was pretty unattractive. Somebody

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<v Speaker 1>said I looked like a road accident for a character

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<v Speaker 1>who's put together from bits and pieces of other people,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a very good description. In ninety eight, Least starred

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<v Speaker 1>in Horror of Dracula, which was released in Great Britain

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<v Speaker 1>simply as Dracula. This was the first of nine films

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<v Speaker 1>in which he would play the famous vampire, ten if

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<v Speaker 1>you count his uncredited appearance in the comedy One More Time,

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<v Speaker 1>which came out in nineteen seventy. But after the first

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<v Speaker 1>two of his Dracula films, he told his agent that

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<v Speaker 1>he just didn't want to do it anymore. He felt

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<v Speaker 1>like the writing was clumsy and it was just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of shoving the character into various scenarios without any real creativity.

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<v Speaker 1>And when he told the studio he didn't want to

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<v Speaker 1>play the famous vampire anymore, there was a huge uproar.

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<v Speaker 1>The head of the studio called the actor completely frantic.

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<v Speaker 1>So the person he's talking about here is is a

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<v Speaker 1>hammer big wig named Jimmy Carreras. And so he says,

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<v Speaker 1>I got a frantic telephone call from Jimmy Carreras, saying

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<v Speaker 1>I already sold it to the American distributor with you

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<v Speaker 1>playing the part, and he said something I've never for

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<v Speaker 1>gotten because it was sheer blackmail. Think of the people

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<v Speaker 1>you're putting out of work. That's the only reason I

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<v Speaker 1>did the last few draculas. I didn't want to be

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<v Speaker 1>the reason for a hundred people not working. Yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 1>such a weasily way to pressure somebody. Um In Lee

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<v Speaker 1>started another Hammer film as the lead in the Mummy

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<v Speaker 1>and his nineteen sixty six performances Resputing in Resputing the

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<v Speaker 1>Mad Monk is also another one that is almost always

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned anytime you see like an abbreviated list of his

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<v Speaker 1>incredibly long career, and that's one that has a really

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<v Speaker 1>interesting and surreal historical connection because Lee had actually met

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<v Speaker 1>Prince Yusupov and Grand Duke Dmitri Pavlovitch, the two men

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<v Speaker 1>who assassinated Resputing in real life when he was just

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<v Speaker 1>a child. While Lee initially made his name in horror,

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<v Speaker 1>he was not enthusiastic about how that genre developed over

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<v Speaker 1>the years, and a two thousand one interview with The

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<v Speaker 1>Guardians Will Hodgkinson, he said there have been some absolutely

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<v Speaker 1>ghastly films recently physically repellent. What we did was fantasy,

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<v Speaker 1>fairy tales. No real person can copy what we did,

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<v Speaker 1>but they can do what Hannibal Lecter does if they're

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<v Speaker 1>so inclined, So people like Jeffrey Dahmer and Dennis Nilson,

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<v Speaker 1>and for that reason, I think such films are dangerous.

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<v Speaker 1>Christopher Lee often played villains. I don't think that's any

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<v Speaker 1>big secrets. But what really made him special is that

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<v Speaker 1>he had this uncanny ability to make viewers kind of

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<v Speaker 1>root for the bad guy. His his personas were always

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<v Speaker 1>so incredibly compelling. So he famously, of course played Scaramanga

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<v Speaker 1>in The Man with the Golden Gun, and he did

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<v Speaker 1>this in a way that was just this cool, unflappable

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<v Speaker 1>and refined uh characterization. And even as he's, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>in that movie, constructing a gun right in front of

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<v Speaker 1>a man he's planning to shoot, he's just completely chill

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<v Speaker 1>and relaxed, and he was so charming, and he is

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<v Speaker 1>often cited in that film is sort of playing a

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<v Speaker 1>dark counter to Roger Moore's Bond, So he's like the

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<v Speaker 1>anti James Bond. He has all the same attributes, but

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<v Speaker 1>he is on the dark side of it. Incidentally, Lee

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<v Speaker 1>was a cousin of James Bond author Ian Fleming through marriage,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was the author's first choice to play Doctor No,

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<v Speaker 1>although the studio had already made their choice before Fleming

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<v Speaker 1>made this desire known to them. Yeah, he's just connected

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<v Speaker 1>to everything. Uh. In one Lee married twenty six year

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<v Speaker 1>old Danish model and actress Brigie Cranky, and unlike many

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<v Speaker 1>showed his couples, they stayed together until the end of

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<v Speaker 1>Lee's life. They also had one daughter together, Christina, and

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<v Speaker 1>by all accounts, Christopher Lee was a completely devoted husband

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<v Speaker 1>and father, and he was very protective of his private life.

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<v Speaker 1>He definitely did not believe in voyeuristic celebrity culture, and

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<v Speaker 1>his wife and daughters survive him. So we are not

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<v Speaker 1>out of respect for him. We're not going to go

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<v Speaker 1>into their story too much. While filming Dracula Has Risen

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<v Speaker 1>from the Grave. In the nineteen sixties, Lee was deeply

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<v Speaker 1>dismayed when British government officials came to Pinewood Studios to

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<v Speaker 1>bestow an honor on the Hammer Pictures Company. As the

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<v Speaker 1>officials arrived, he was in full Dracula mode and he

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<v Speaker 1>was mounted on a giant cross, and that was what

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<v Speaker 1>they saw when they walked in. So he didn't feel

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<v Speaker 1>like that was really the ideal introduction for a gentleman. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he was very dismay ad how that timing played out. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>He did eventually use his standing and influence at Hammer

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<v Speaker 1>to bring in a cult thriller author Dennis Wheatley to

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<v Speaker 1>work on adaptations of his novels for the studio, and

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<v Speaker 1>this proved to be both a feather in his cap

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<v Speaker 1>and eventually something of a disaster. So the studio first

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<v Speaker 1>produced The Devil Rides Out with Wheatly. That is often

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<v Speaker 1>regarded as the best film the studio ever produced. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a tale based on satan worship among high society types

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<v Speaker 1>and men of diplomatic power, and it was intended, according

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<v Speaker 1>to Lee, to warn of the dangers of Satanism. But

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<v Speaker 1>in ninety six Hammer worked with Wheatly on a film

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<v Speaker 1>called to the Devil a Daughter, and that project was

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<v Speaker 1>not a success. It made money, but Wheatley was unhappy

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<v Speaker 1>with it and distanced himself from the production. It was

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<v Speaker 1>also the last horror film and the glorious mid mid

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<v Speaker 1>century run that Hammer Studios had, and It's a common joke,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, that actors get a new script and the

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<v Speaker 1>first thing they do is count their lines before they

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<v Speaker 1>do anything else, Like they run through and see how

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<v Speaker 1>many lines your character has. But Lee really broke the

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<v Speaker 1>mold in this regard. He was known, in fact, for

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<v Speaker 1>cutting many of his lines in his horror roles. He

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<v Speaker 1>said that he would rather cut his own dialogue than

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<v Speaker 1>speak a line that he felt was poorly written, and

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<v Speaker 1>as a consequence, in the nineteen sixty six film Dracula

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<v Speaker 1>Prince of Darkness, he didn't speak a word, although he

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<v Speaker 1>did his from time to time. He just thought the

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<v Speaker 1>writing was so abysmal. He refused to say any of

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<v Speaker 1>those lines. But just the same he is still incredibly mesmerizing.

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<v Speaker 1>Writer Mark Kermode wrote in a Guardian piece after Lee

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<v Speaker 1>died that when they had worked on a project called

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<v Speaker 1>Fear in the Dark Together, for which Lee provided narration,

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<v Speaker 1>the actor wasn't the least bit shy about giving notes

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<v Speaker 1>about the writing. Hermode described the corrections as polite but strong,

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<v Speaker 1>which is the way many people seemed to characterize him

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<v Speaker 1>in a variety of different scenarios. Yeah, I think Lee

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<v Speaker 1>was a gentleman, but he really. Uh was willing to

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<v Speaker 1>to voice his opinion, especially when it was important to him.

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<v Speaker 1>In nineteen seventy three, he started a film called The

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<v Speaker 1>wicker Man, and this film became a cult classic. Uh

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<v Speaker 1>Lee considered it to be some of his best work,

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<v Speaker 1>and in it he played a man named Lord summer

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<v Speaker 1>Isle who ran an island of pagans where ritual practices

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<v Speaker 1>were part of the normal routine. And the setup is

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<v Speaker 1>that a policeman goes to investigate some of what's going

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<v Speaker 1>on in the island and things go very poorly from there.

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<v Speaker 1>But even though the movie gained a following, British Lion,

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<v Speaker 1>which is the production company behind it, had no love

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<v Speaker 1>for that particular child. Studio executives thought it was so

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<v Speaker 1>bad that they heavily edited it into a shorter version

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<v Speaker 1>and released it basically as a B film on a

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<v Speaker 1>double on a double bill with Don't Look Now. But

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<v Speaker 1>Lee really defended the film and he crusaded for it

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<v Speaker 1>to get the attention that he felt deserved. He felt

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<v Speaker 1>really strongly that they had made a great film and

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<v Speaker 1>what came out was not it. Years later, the film

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<v Speaker 1>was partially restored thanks to his efforts, and it was

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<v Speaker 1>hailed as one of the most important and impressive horror

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<v Speaker 1>films of all time. But even so, Lee always felt

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<v Speaker 1>that there was a more complete cut of that film

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<v Speaker 1>that existed somewhere and was even greater than the one

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<v Speaker 1>that critics and audiences eventually loved. In nineteen seventy seven,

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<v Speaker 1>Lee moved to Los Angeles to sort of change things

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<v Speaker 1>up and look for new opportunities. One of these opportunities

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<v Speaker 1>came in the form of hosting Saturday Night Live. This

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<v Speaker 1>was during the Belushi, Murray, and Ackroid era, and the

0:18:37.520 --> 0:18:40.440
<v Speaker 1>Englishman held his own with all of basically the people

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<v Speaker 1>who were regarded as the best comedians of the day.

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<v Speaker 1>It was calculated in a way because he wanted the

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<v Speaker 1>American entertainment industry to know that he could play funny.

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<v Speaker 1>It really paid off in part due to the Saturday

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<v Speaker 1>Night Live appearance. He landed a role in Steven Spielberg's

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<v Speaker 1>forty one. He was also offered the role that eventually

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<v Speaker 1>went to Leslie Nielsen and Airplane. He wound up turning

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<v Speaker 1>that down, which he later regretted. Yeah, it was kind

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<v Speaker 1>of a nice change of pace. I think, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>everyone had seen him in these horror roles, and they

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<v Speaker 1>took him very seriously and he was just frightening, villainous figure.

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<v Speaker 1>But he was very funny and if you can go

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<v Speaker 1>to YouTube and search for his SNL appearances, there are

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of small clips of it. And he's incredibly witty.

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<v Speaker 1>He has great timing, uh and he worked pretty consistently

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<v Speaker 1>on TV and film projects after his move to the US,

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<v Speaker 1>So he worked in comedies and dramas alike, in everything

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<v Speaker 1>from Return to Witch Mountain to Sherlock Holmes in The

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<v Speaker 1>Leading Lady. And we're going to talk about his incredibly

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<v Speaker 1>prolific next stage of his career in just a moment,

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<v Speaker 1>but first let's have a word from one of our

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<v Speaker 1>fabulous sponsors. So one of the pivotal, although unseen by many,

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<v Speaker 1>roles in Lee's career, came in when he started as

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<v Speaker 1>the father of Pakistan. That's Mohammed al Ali Jenna and

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<v Speaker 1>the film Jenna. When he was speaking at the College

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<v Speaker 1>of dubl It in eleven, he said that this was

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<v Speaker 1>the most important thing he'd ever done. Although it wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>theatrically released outside of Pakistan, Lee believed that the limited

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<v Speaker 1>release was due to the fact that his character's speeches

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<v Speaker 1>told the people of Pakistan that they were free to

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<v Speaker 1>follow and practice whatever religions they wished, and some person

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<v Speaker 1>or group didn't want that information seen by the rest

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<v Speaker 1>of the world. For context in an inordinately simplified way.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not interminently for context, in an extremely simplified way.

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<v Speaker 1>Mohammed Ali Jenna separated Pakistan from India after religious conflict

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<v Speaker 1>between Hendy's and Muslims. Yeah, and there are copies of

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<v Speaker 1>that film floating about like you can't find it if

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<v Speaker 1>you really go looking, but it is difficult, uh. And

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<v Speaker 1>it's interesting because one of the other things he said

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<v Speaker 1>in interviews throughout the years about what was very difficult

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<v Speaker 1>about that was that it was a person who had

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<v Speaker 1>lived and lived recently, so he felt like there was

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<v Speaker 1>additional pressure to be really spot on and it really

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<v Speaker 1>raised his game and he is amazing in it. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>In a nod tid Lee's Hammer career, director Tim Burton

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<v Speaker 1>cast a very tall actor in Sleepy Hollow, which came out.

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<v Speaker 1>And what's really great is that if you listen to

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<v Speaker 1>the director's commentary on that film, there is a large

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<v Speaker 1>chunk where Burton spends just all of this time sort

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<v Speaker 1>of being awed at the fact that the Christopher Lee's

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<v Speaker 1>in his movie, he's such a fanboy, and it's very charming,

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<v Speaker 1>and since Burton already at this point has had a

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<v Speaker 1>hugely successful career, it's a nice reminder of just how

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<v Speaker 1>big a star Lee was too many kids who grew

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<v Speaker 1>up watching Hammer Horror. In two thousand one, Lee famously

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<v Speaker 1>began his role as Saramon in the Lord of the

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<v Speaker 1>Rings trilogy. He had wanted for quite some time to

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<v Speaker 1>play Gandolf, and he had even approached Talking at one

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<v Speaker 1>point to make his case that he should have that role,

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<v Speaker 1>and he got the author's blessing that should there be

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<v Speaker 1>a film, he should be the choice to play Gandolf.

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<v Speaker 1>By the time Peter Jackson's project got off the ground, though,

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<v Speaker 1>Lee was believed to be too old to play Gandalf.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he actually thought this about himself their interviews

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<v Speaker 1>where he talked about realizing that all of the things

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<v Speaker 1>that Gandalf physically needed to do would have been particularly

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<v Speaker 1>risky by this point in his age. Yeah, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>I have heard him tell it to that way, as

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<v Speaker 1>well as saying like, oh, they kind of suggested that

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<v Speaker 1>I might be too old and then yes, they were right,

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<v Speaker 1>And in a way it worked out because I get

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<v Speaker 1>to be the only villain since Suron is just an eye,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm really the only heavy and it's kind of a big,

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<v Speaker 1>juicy role in that regard. And Lee was really an

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<v Speaker 1>expert on J. R. R. Tolkien's work. He was more

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<v Speaker 1>than happy to advise the production department on designs and

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<v Speaker 1>logistics as well as playing his role of Saromon, and

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<v Speaker 1>the actor had made this habit of reading the Lord

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<v Speaker 1>of the Rings trilogy once a year for decades, so

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<v Speaker 1>he really did know his stuff. Saramon's death scene was

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<v Speaker 1>edited out of the third film and the trilogy and

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<v Speaker 1>the theatrical release, which really displeased Lead because he felt

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<v Speaker 1>like it took away from the story. He also said publicly, though,

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<v Speaker 1>that he had no ill will towards Peter Jackson for

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<v Speaker 1>the decision. Seen his back in there for the extent

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<v Speaker 1>edition and also a much repeated story about that whole

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<v Speaker 1>death scene, and Peter Jackson was sort of describing, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>the sound that would happen when someone was stabbed at

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<v Speaker 1>the back, and Christopher Lee explained that is not in

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<v Speaker 1>fact the sound that a person makes when they are

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<v Speaker 1>stabbed in the back and he knew this from experience, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>presumably from his classified work in the war. There's another

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<v Speaker 1>uh kind of sidebar, because I couldn't find this particular interview.

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<v Speaker 1>I know I saw it, and it's so charmed me

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<v Speaker 1>regarding Christopher Lee a moment where he was talking about

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<v Speaker 1>playing Sargamon and how he was having this morning where

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<v Speaker 1>he was just out of sorts and he was it

0:23:49.359 --> 0:23:50.960
<v Speaker 1>was an afternoon and he was just out of sorts

0:23:50.960 --> 0:23:53.200
<v Speaker 1>and he was getting frustrated, and he had this sort

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<v Speaker 1>of mini tantrum where he was saying, Oh, it's this

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<v Speaker 1>damn costume. I can't walk without tripping on it. And

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<v Speaker 1>how Peter Jackson just said from behind the camera, you

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<v Speaker 1>did it this morning. Christopher Lee was like, that really

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<v Speaker 1>put me in my place. And I was always so

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<v Speaker 1>charmed that this man of you know, such incredible iconic stature,

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<v Speaker 1>Like what he was telling people in press junkets was

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<v Speaker 1>that he had been a diva and Peter Jackson had

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<v Speaker 1>fixed it. Like I just found that the most charming

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<v Speaker 1>story ever. I also like how while the films were

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<v Speaker 1>in production, like principal photography was done, but but all

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<v Speaker 1>of the editing was not done. He would say in

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<v Speaker 1>interviews that his goal was to live to see all

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<v Speaker 1>three films. Yes, and then he kind of did a

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<v Speaker 1>similar thing with Star Wars. So in two thousand two

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<v Speaker 1>he began his two film role of Count Dooku in

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<v Speaker 1>Star Wars Attack of the Clones. What's interesting about this

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<v Speaker 1>is the duel between Douku and Yoda featured Lee actually

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<v Speaker 1>making use of his skill at swordplay. If you've watched it,

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<v Speaker 1>you've seen that there's some doubling going on there, and

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<v Speaker 1>he was doubled from the waist down and for the

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<v Speaker 1>longer shots that included full body movement, but any of

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<v Speaker 1>the shots that are just upper body are still Lee.

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<v Speaker 1>He was still pretty angile despite his advancing age, and

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<v Speaker 1>he really wanted to do as much of the sword

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<v Speaker 1>play as he possibly could. Shortly before he turned to

0:25:07.640 --> 0:25:09.959
<v Speaker 1>eight e, Lee told a journalist that he wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>live long enough to see Star Wars Revenge of the

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<v Speaker 1>Fifth Open that was in two thousand and five, and

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<v Speaker 1>in fact he would live another entire decade. Lee was

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<v Speaker 1>actually knighted on October two thousand nine in recognition of

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<v Speaker 1>his contributions to the arts and to charity. Early the

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<v Speaker 1>next year, he released a symphonic metal concept album entitled

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<v Speaker 1>Charlemaine by the Sword and the Cross, and then later

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<v Speaker 1>that same year he received a Spirit of Metal Award

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<v Speaker 1>for it. Yeah, he was a fan of metal, which

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<v Speaker 1>is I think to some people so incongruous because he

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<v Speaker 1>is such a British gentleman. But he really was a

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<v Speaker 1>genuine fan of it. That wasn't just like a thing

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<v Speaker 1>he did for a lark. He loved. He loved metal.

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<v Speaker 1>Go figure And in uhleven he received another big award,

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<v Speaker 1>and that was an Academy Fellowship by the British Academy

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<v Speaker 1>of Film and Television Arts, which is basically one of

0:26:03.480 --> 0:26:07.399
<v Speaker 1>the biggest act awards a British actor could receive, and

0:26:07.440 --> 0:26:10.040
<v Speaker 1>that was presented to him by his longtime fan and

0:26:10.240 --> 0:26:15.399
<v Speaker 1>at that point collaborator, Tim Burton. In he released A

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<v Speaker 1>Heavy Metal Christmas and then a follow up called A

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<v Speaker 1>Heavy Metal Christmas Too, which came out the following year.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh and then things slowed down a little bit. He

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<v Speaker 1>was still working when he could, but not at the

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<v Speaker 1>same pace. Uh and Lee passed away on June seven,

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<v Speaker 1>at the age of ninety three. He had been struggling

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<v Speaker 1>with some heart failure and some respiratory issues, and his

0:26:37.800 --> 0:26:40.560
<v Speaker 1>career actually spanned seven decades, and at that point it

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<v Speaker 1>was still going. He was scheduled to appear in a

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<v Speaker 1>movie about nine eleven with Uma Thurman when he passed,

0:26:45.640 --> 0:26:49.360
<v Speaker 1>so he never retired. He outlived his friends and colleagues,

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<v Speaker 1>Peter Cushing, Vincent Price, and Boris Carloff. They were all

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<v Speaker 1>sort of a famous group of friends. And in his

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<v Speaker 1>sixty five year career, the longest break that he ever

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<v Speaker 1>took from acting was only four weeks, Like, that's the

0:27:01.000 --> 0:27:03.879
<v Speaker 1>longest vacation he had. I have a few bits of

0:27:03.920 --> 0:27:06.679
<v Speaker 1>trivia about him that didn't quite fit in any in

0:27:06.720 --> 0:27:09.480
<v Speaker 1>the chronological story of his life and work. And the

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<v Speaker 1>first is that because of his height, which one he

0:27:12.560 --> 0:27:15.280
<v Speaker 1>was once told would prevent him from having an acting career,

0:27:15.600 --> 0:27:19.960
<v Speaker 1>he holds the Guinness record for the tallest leading actor. Uh.

0:27:19.960 --> 0:27:22.439
<v Speaker 1>He also has the record for most screen credits for

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<v Speaker 1>a living actor, the Guinness Tract, which was two forty

0:27:25.320 --> 0:27:29.159
<v Speaker 1>four films. And he actually had many Guinness records to

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<v Speaker 1>his name, but those are just two. So many yes.

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<v Speaker 1>In two thousand two, Uh, in an interview with journalist

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<v Speaker 1>David Edelstein, Lie said, my whole life has been about

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<v Speaker 1>proving people wrong. And in his nineties three years Lee

0:27:44.720 --> 0:27:47.840
<v Speaker 1>was so incredibly prolific, and he was so fascinating that

0:27:47.920 --> 0:27:49.960
<v Speaker 1>we could never ever cover everything. It would have to

0:27:49.960 --> 0:27:51.920
<v Speaker 1>be like a dedicated month of shows, which would be

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<v Speaker 1>super fun, but uh, not really realistic in terms of

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<v Speaker 1>what we do. But in terms of his legacy, particularly

0:27:58.000 --> 0:28:01.800
<v Speaker 1>in horror, I thought it was best described in the

0:28:01.840 --> 0:28:03.639
<v Speaker 1>words of the actor himself, and this is from an

0:28:03.680 --> 0:28:06.639
<v Speaker 1>interview that he did. He says, quote, Hammer was an

0:28:06.680 --> 0:28:09.439
<v Speaker 1>important part of my life, and generally speaking, we had

0:28:09.440 --> 0:28:12.000
<v Speaker 1>a lot of fun. Fun seems to be a three

0:28:12.040 --> 0:28:14.679
<v Speaker 1>letter word these days, although it directors like Tim Burton

0:28:14.680 --> 0:28:17.480
<v Speaker 1>and George Lucas. It's fun, fun, fun, while also working

0:28:17.480 --> 0:28:20.480
<v Speaker 1>yourself to death. But if you compare those Hammer movies

0:28:20.520 --> 0:28:23.000
<v Speaker 1>to what's been made in the last twenty years, Brian

0:28:23.040 --> 0:28:26.840
<v Speaker 1>to Palma, Francis Ford Coppola, Martin Scorsese, George Lucas, West Craven,

0:28:26.880 --> 0:28:29.920
<v Speaker 1>Tim Burton, and Peter Jackson have all said the same

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<v Speaker 1>thing to me. We were brought up on your movies

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<v Speaker 1>and it certainly shows in theirs. I love that, I

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<v Speaker 1>love that he was, so he was aware of his

0:28:39.320 --> 0:28:44.240
<v Speaker 1>own influence. At the same time, he seemed very um,

0:28:44.240 --> 0:28:49.960
<v Speaker 1>sort of down to earth, but also very proper. There

0:28:50.000 --> 0:28:52.440
<v Speaker 1>will never be another Christopher Lee. I don't think he's amazing,

0:28:53.760 --> 0:28:57.520
<v Speaker 1>and I highly recommend hunting down any and all pieces

0:28:57.520 --> 0:29:00.080
<v Speaker 1>of his work you can. It's there's no end of

0:29:00.160 --> 0:29:03.360
<v Speaker 1>fun to it. Do you also have some listener mail

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<v Speaker 1>for us? I do. It's listener mail that we get

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<v Speaker 1>to say a big, fat thank you for because this

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<v Speaker 1>comes from our listener, Jennifer, and she sent us an

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<v Speaker 1>amazing package. She says, Tracy and Honley, I have been

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<v Speaker 1>and I've gotten so many hours of enjoyment out of

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<v Speaker 1>it that I wanted to send you a thank you

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<v Speaker 1>gift package. It's been a great podcast right from the beginning,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's only improved over time. I especially love some

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<v Speaker 1>unearned some hidden nuggets history and tied them into popular

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<v Speaker 1>She sent us this incredible parcel, which it came to

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<v Speaker 1>thank you so much. It's such a like, incredibly generous gift.

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<v Speaker 1>to everyone who has sent us stuff, and today just

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