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Speaker 2: So I woke up this morning to a message from

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Speaker 3: Well, she's not going all of us, So I got sense.

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Speaker 2: This Instagram which is a guy doing an impression of

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Speaker 4: Is just him like clapping and do it like I

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Speaker 2: This is Danielle's least favorite thing. The essence of theater

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Speaker 2: This is the first thing I do this morning. I

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Speaker 2: He's so excited to wake me up and riff on.

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Speaker 2: We've got our new version of some friend you turned

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Speaker 2: out to be Sebastian. Do you remember this some friend?

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Speaker 2: What's that in the road? So the next is there's

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Speaker 2: a sushi restaurant that we've gone to that's like a

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Speaker 2: hand roll place. It's delicious and it's called you know me?

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Speaker 2: Why oh n o am I. So maybe it's pronounced

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Speaker 2: trying to just constantly come up with more riffs on

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Speaker 2: different intonations interpretations of these three syllables. Would you would

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Speaker 2: you like to take a stad either one of you.

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Speaker 5: I already know mine, as you've forgotten. This was started

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Speaker 5: by Yolanda Omi. So it's why Omi is what it is.

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Speaker 5: That's that's the name.

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Speaker 3: What the why is just an initial.

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Speaker 2: What we're trying to do is just take the existing

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Speaker 2: syllables you know me right, and that's the different variations

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Speaker 2: on how to. So you could say, you know my,

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Speaker 2: you know my me, you no me me right, So

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Speaker 2: you just keep going, uh, you.

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Speaker 6: Know me, you know me.

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Speaker 3: Yes, that's a good one. Nice. Nice.

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Speaker 2: So Andy's most brilliant one is you know.

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Speaker 3: That's a good one.

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Speaker 2: That's a good one. Anyway, theater kid energy, morning, guys.

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Speaker 5: Well this is I don't know if you remember what

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Speaker 5: I sent to everybody was I found Danielle's Ultimate Retreat

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Speaker 5: and I sent it which was the you can go

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Speaker 5: to an adult theater camp. And so it's everybody like

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Speaker 5: we're all in this.

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Speaker 2: I would yeah so bad, and yet I would care

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Speaker 2: so much. You will would think it's hysterical, but commit

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Speaker 2: and actually like kill the actually win the camp whatever that.

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Speaker 7: Is over stimulated whole time, and I would be like,

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Speaker 7: oh my god, a.

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Speaker 2: Great little documentary of us going on theater camp.

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Speaker 6: It really would. It would be good.

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Speaker 3: It would.

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Speaker 5: Oh man, what I'm looking forward to is the drama,

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Speaker 5: the theater kid camp drama.

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Speaker 3: Oh god, I love it. Did you see how Becky

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Speaker 3: looked at me. She doesn't deserve that part. Oh my god.

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Speaker 3: It would be oh so so del among.

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Speaker 2: Forty year olds. Yes, yes, it's way worse, absolutely because

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Speaker 3: Rider It's real.

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Speaker 6: Oh my god.

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Speaker 7: Another thing that would just make me want to kill

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Speaker 7: everyone and be like, are you kidding me?

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Speaker 1: What?

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Speaker 6: You You're over your talking, get your life together, your.

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Speaker 7: Forty I would have no patience, But until day two

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Speaker 7: when Danielle walks over and just starts talking about.

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Speaker 2: Or when she doesn't get the lead part, She'll just

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Speaker 2: be like, wait, hold on, hold on. I was on

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Speaker 2: Dancing with the Stars.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't know this.

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Speaker 8: But I came in eight.

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Speaker 1: I came in eighth.

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Speaker 6: Place on dancing.

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Speaker 2: There was dancing component, which there probably would be at

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Speaker 5: You kill it in that they give the role to

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Speaker 3: That would be so funny.

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Speaker 7: Oh my gosh, Yeah, we're going We're okay, okay, you

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Speaker 7: know what. I God, I don't know why I like

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Speaker 3: No, not going on the road. But here's what we'll do.

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Speaker 5: Well, we'll go a few days a weekend to the

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Speaker 5: we'll do a weekend at the Porsche racing school.

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Speaker 6: Great, I like that. That's that would be fun.

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Speaker 5: And then for me we'll do a weekend where we

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Speaker 6: Honestly, I'm down for all of this.

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Speaker 6: Maybe not all in the same month.

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Speaker 3: No, No, we'll break it up. We'll break it up.

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Speaker 5: And the great part about my plan is I'm just

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Speaker 3: So that's the joy. Can't get on my couch this weekend, guys. Sorry,

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Speaker 2: The three of us being super high would be a

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Speaker 7: I mean, that's somebody somebody's dream, blunt rotation or nightmare.

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Speaker 3: Well, I just keep passing to myself.

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Speaker 6: Welcome to pod meets World. I'm Daniel Official, I'm rather strong,

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Speaker 6: and I'm Wilfred Dell.

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Speaker 7: At the turn of the twenty first century, the end

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Speaker 7: of human existence loomed. In the near future. The threat

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Speaker 7: not only shut down all of our computers, but in

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Speaker 7: at midnight, and turn your vacuum against you. An aura

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Speaker 7: of paranoia and fear clouded what was meant to be

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Speaker 7: a momentous occasion, But thankfully we did have one moment.

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Speaker 7: In nineteen ninety nine, pop culture that America agreed to

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Speaker 7: the future. That moment was Jason Biggs having sex with

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Speaker 7: a Pie. The New Jersey Natives started acting at just

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Speaker 7: Sitcom that received the common doomed fate of just one season.

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Speaker 7: For the next few years, he'd jump around TV shows

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Speaker 7: the teen sex comedy to rule them all, American Pie.

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Speaker 7: He'd quickly turned into an international superstar, not only for

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Speaker 7: for movies like Loser, Saving Silverman, and anything else he'd

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Speaker 7: on the Netflix, defining Orange is the New Black, voicing

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Speaker 7: and what forty years in the business looks like In

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Speaker 7: twenty twenty six, Welcome to Pod Meets World the legendary

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Speaker 7: Jason biggs Hell.

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Speaker 8: Hello, well, hello, hey everybody. How are you guys?

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Speaker 7: We are great, Thank you so much for coming on.

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Speaker 7: We are excited to talk to you about your new movie.

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Speaker 7: But first I want to jump into some late nineties

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Speaker 8: Right, sure, you know one does, yeah, of course.

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Speaker 7: Now, growing up in New Jersey, how does a five

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Speaker 6: How far off am I?

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Speaker 8: Yeah? In a little suit.

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Speaker 1: I my older sister, who's seven years my senior, he

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Speaker 3: Oh god.

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Speaker 1: That's a really good question because I I my I

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Speaker 2: Have you watched it?

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Speaker 8: Oh? Yeah, it's terrible.

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Speaker 1: And so I came from doing this show with Judd

447
00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:45,080
Speaker 1: and having a real he was you know, he's very evunculary.

448
00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:47,240
Speaker 1: Was kind of a second dad vibe to me, you know,

449
00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:52,399
Speaker 1: I was twelve, you know, And and Dabney was again

450
00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:55,720
Speaker 1: maybe I'm I just didn't get to know him that well.

451
00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:59,240
Speaker 8: He was more standoffish. He kind of seemed.

452
00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:01,760
Speaker 1: A bit like the role he played, this curmudgeonly kind

453
00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:03,800
Speaker 1: of teacher who didn't want to be there. He just

454
00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:07,359
Speaker 1: kind of was, I don't know, in hindsight, like he

455
00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:10,440
Speaker 1: was the adult in the show, a bunch of snotty

456
00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:13,679
Speaker 1: actor kids, you know what I mean. Like I probably

457
00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:16,640
Speaker 1: would have been a curmudgeon as well, but.

458
00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:17,000
Speaker 3: I don't know.

459
00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:18,000
Speaker 8: I just got for me.

460
00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:20,680
Speaker 1: I was just like, oh, he's no Judd hersh right,

461
00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:22,800
Speaker 1: So I don't I don't want to speak.

462
00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:23,040
Speaker 8: No.

463
00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:25,280
Speaker 5: It wasn't warm and fuzzy, but it would be the

464
00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:26,840
Speaker 5: equivalent on our set.

465
00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:28,720
Speaker 3: Of Bill Daniels. It's what it was.

466
00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:31,440
Speaker 5: Working with Dabney was like working with Bill, where if

467
00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:33,680
Speaker 5: you took the time to go and like talk to him.

468
00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:38,560
Speaker 5: Dabney was like a Virginia Military Institute guy and grew

469
00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:40,880
Speaker 5: up very straight laced, but when you talk to him,

470
00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:43,520
Speaker 5: especially about the industry, he would love to do that,

471
00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:45,240
Speaker 5: like you know, remember when you would actually talk to

472
00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:46,760
Speaker 5: Bill about stories and kind of open.

473
00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:50,440
Speaker 2: If we only did thirteen episodes with Bill probably probably

474
00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:53,679
Speaker 2: wouldn't have gotten that yet we had seven years and

475
00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:59,320
Speaker 2: Crumpy Yeah, yeah, he was just ur grumpy guy. He

476
00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:01,960
Speaker 2: was just soft underbelly enough at that point that we

477
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:03,760
Speaker 2: were like it's fine, you know, but it was.

478
00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:06,680
Speaker 5: It was probably fifteen years later after I'd worked with

479
00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:08,800
Speaker 5: Dabney that I was walking on Warner Brothers and I

480
00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:10,439
Speaker 5: walked by a trailer and the door was open, and

481
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:12,560
Speaker 5: I saw him, and I was like I should I

482
00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:15,040
Speaker 5: should say hi, Like he'll never remember me. We did

483
00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:17,160
Speaker 5: a film together, but and I knocked in the trailers

484
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:19,320
Speaker 5: like mister Coleman, I don't any turn around, and went, well,

485
00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:21,960
Speaker 5: no one, and I walked in it and I sat

486
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:23,800
Speaker 5: in his trailer for like an hour and we talked again.

487
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,159
Speaker 5: So it was like maybe it was that moment that

488
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:28,560
Speaker 5: cemented it for me more than actually working with him,

489
00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:32,280
Speaker 5: but it was that's the best person to equate it

490
00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:34,640
Speaker 5: to your right, if we had thirteen episodes with Bill Daniels,

491
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:36,600
Speaker 5: we probably walked walked away and been.

492
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:38,680
Speaker 3: Like he was just an old kind of app a

493
00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:39,080
Speaker 3: little bit.

494
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:42,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, and so maybe if yeah, I had Drexel's class

495
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:44,440
Speaker 5: gone seven years, it might have been it.

496
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:45,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, you might have had you know what.

497
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:47,119
Speaker 1: I love I thank you for telling me that story,

498
00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:51,120
Speaker 1: because it's like I've really spent you know, however, many

499
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Speaker 1: years since ninety one.

500
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Speaker 8: For the most part, if people ask.

501
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:57,520
Speaker 1: Going, yeah, he's not that great again, I just you know,

502
00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:00,840
Speaker 1: got a you know, a little.

503
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,439
Speaker 8: Glimpse of him. So I certainly like hearing that.

504
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:12,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's an interesting dude.

505
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:20,160
Speaker 7: So you make your Broadway debut as a I mean

506
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:22,920
Speaker 7: a teenager. You're thirteen years old right at this point.

507
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:25,240
Speaker 6: Yeah, what is it like now.

508
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:28,800
Speaker 7: Doing eight shows a week with the heavy hitters that

509
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:31,359
Speaker 7: you mentioned. Were you intimidated at all or did you

510
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:33,159
Speaker 7: have a lot of confidence?

511
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:35,639
Speaker 8: I think I was too young a naive to be

512
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:38,200
Speaker 8: like as intimidating, you know. I remember.

513
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:43,879
Speaker 1: I remember the opening night being kind of nervous, but

514
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 1: not I don't know, maybe because I had also done

515
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 1: it in Seattle prior, but ten years later I did

516
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:54,520
Speaker 1: the graduate on Broadway which rider.

517
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,600
Speaker 2: Yes, yep, I did the tour for Yeah.

518
00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:59,199
Speaker 1: You did the tour, which we should talk about that.

519
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 1: But I remember doing that ten years after conversations with

520
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 1: my father and being so incredibly nervous and I don't know.

521
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:10,880
Speaker 1: I mean, look, you're stepping into it. It's obviously it's

522
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,680
Speaker 1: the Benjamin Bardic role. It's a different thing. I've now

523
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,639
Speaker 1: achieved some sort of fame. There's people actually there to

524
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 1: see me.

525
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:18,240
Speaker 8: There's a different kind.

526
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:20,719
Speaker 1: Of pressure, and there's all this, but like, there is

527
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 1: something to be said for when you're that, when you're young,

528
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:27,919
Speaker 1: just having no sense of You're like, oh whatever, I

529
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:31,199
Speaker 1: just really I just want to, you know, you know,

530
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 1: do this thing and then you know, go home and

531
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:37,919
Speaker 1: you know, I recorded my favorite Saturday morning show that

532
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 1: I want to watch.

533
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:40,359
Speaker 8: And just like your thing, You're just the things you

534
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:41,200
Speaker 8: think about are.

535
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 3: Too You're too naive to be nervous. Isn't it the best? Yeah,

536
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:46,720
Speaker 3: you want to just go back to the time anxiety.

537
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 2: Doesn't really exist. Yeah, if you're lucky. I mean, obviously

538
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:50,960
Speaker 2: not for every kid, but I feel like anxiety didn't

539
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 2: enter my life until I was in my twenties. Yeah, exactly.

540
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 2: It was like the idea of like sitting and stewing

541
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 2: or worrying about somebody's like will you either do it

542
00:25:57,880 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 2: or you don't, Like, yeah.

543
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 8: You know, that's that's exactly right.

544
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:06,440
Speaker 1: But yeah, but it was definitely, I mean, I will

545
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,919
Speaker 1: say it was. It was a crazy schedule because I

546
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 1: was still going to school and so so it was,

547
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:18,879
Speaker 1: you know, you do the eight shows from the you know,

548
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,280
Speaker 1: I'd wake up in the morning, I'd go to school

549
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 1: right and then after school, come home, do homework, get

550
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 1: in my mom's Limo mini van, drive through Lincoln Tunnel traffic,

551
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,159
Speaker 1: get to the city, do the play. It was a

552
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 1: three hour player. I wasn't in the second act. I

553
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 1: wasn't in the second act, but I had to stay

554
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:41,440
Speaker 1: for curtain call. So me and David Cromwell, who Dave

555
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:46,680
Speaker 1: wasn't in the Act one and I wasn't in Act two,

556
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 1: so we would basically he would do his homework in

557
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:51,640
Speaker 1: Act one and I would do my homework in Act two,

558
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 1: and then we'd do curtain call.

559
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 8: Leaving the theater district at eleven.

560
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 1: PM, getting home at like eleven thirty midnight, going to sleep,

561
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 1: getting up and going to school Wednesdays. Wednesdays leave school

562
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 1: early a little bit early to do the two show day.

563
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 8: And then the weekends would come from school.

564
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:11,679
Speaker 1: But you know, would have four shows in the and

565
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 1: then the weekend from the theater was Monday, and all

566
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 1: the adults were like, oh, I'm so excited to have

567
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 1: off tomorrow.

568
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 6: And school full day.

569
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 8: Yeah.

570
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 1: And then the summer, you know, it was through the

571
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,360
Speaker 1: summer too, So even when all my friends were like.

572
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 3: Off, how long did you do? How long did you

573
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 3: make me?

574
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 8: Oh?

575
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 3: My god?

576
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,399
Speaker 1: It was it was basically it was basically all of

577
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:38,159
Speaker 1: eighth grade. So it was like the basically at the

578
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 1: beginning of eighth grade, I was doing uh Drexel's class

579
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 1: at that fall, and then I came back to Jersey

580
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 1: and I did all of I did the play for

581
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 1: almost basically a year, from like December to November the

582
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:53,440
Speaker 1: following year into freshman year.

583
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:54,959
Speaker 8: Into my freshman year, it was.

584
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:59,119
Speaker 1: It was crazy, but again, like there was no I

585
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 1: was also just the I didn't have to, There was

586
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 1: no other responsibility.

587
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 5: Was there ever any talk of maybe pulling you out

588
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 5: of school and getting like a three hour set school

589
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:09,119
Speaker 5: like a tutor or something or.

590
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:10,639
Speaker 3: Was that never even a question? You were just going

591
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:11,359
Speaker 3: to stay in school?

592
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:13,160
Speaker 8: It was never even a question.

593
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you know, in Seattle, we I had

594
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 1: I had a tutor, but it was I mean the

595
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 1: Washington State child whacked or laws or I don't know

596
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:28,639
Speaker 1: if they even existed. I think I literally had like

597
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,239
Speaker 1: a tutor for like two hours a week. I mean

598
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 1: it was basically like nothing. And so yeah, we just said,

599
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm just going to stay in school

600
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 1: as much as possible.

601
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 8: And my teachers were really uh supportive.

602
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 1: You know this town is it was you know, right

603
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 1: there outside the city, very busy populated area. But the

604
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 1: town itself that I was, that I grew up in

605
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 1: was really small and had one high school in school,

606
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 1: so it was like all my teachers were very excited.

607
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 1: I was the only one who was doing this sort

608
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 1: of thing, so they were happy to like fat me

609
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 1: my assignments and give me extra time if I needed it.

610
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 1: And I was a pretty smart kid, so it was

611
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 1: like it wasn't you know, I didn't really fall behind.

612
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 8: Also, it wasn't the hardest school.

613
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 1: I mean it was I just managed you know, but

614
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 1: but it.

615
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 8: Was definitely a workload. I mean, I remember her.

616
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 1: I mean when I tell this story now, I'm like,

617
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 1: oh my god, I can't imagine doing something like that

618
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 1: as an adult, Like there's no world.

619
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 7: And that's what I wanted to ask you, Like, we're

620
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 7: thinking about the schedule for you, and of course for

621
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 7: you it's grueling.

622
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 6: You're in school all day. But was it your mom

623
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 6: was a nurse, right?

624
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 8: How is she? How is she.

625
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 7: Working and managing your eight shows a week and driving

626
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 7: you in the limo van?

627
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 8: Yeah?

628
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 1: Well, first of all, when you own a limo van,

629
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 1: it's very easy to drive.

630
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 8: I mean, you want to drive.

631
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 6: Over driving Tesla's now.

632
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 1: Practically practically it's it's you know, it's not that hard

633
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 1: to get her behind the wheels.

634
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 8: Okay, okay, not a euphemism.

635
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 1: So so, but she, you know, when I was I

636
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 1: forget how old I was. It was before I did

637
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:11,479
Speaker 1: that play. So at some point when I was little,

638
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 1: she decided to start working nights so that she could

639
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 1: take me on auditions. Man if I had an audition,

640
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 1: you know, so that she could be available, you know

641
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 1: at three pm when I got out of school, if

642
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 1: I had to go into the city for for audio.

643
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 3: So I never put that together.

644
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 5: You were the guy in the waiting room whose mom

645
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 5: was sitting there in bloody scrubs.

646
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 3: Now I get it, now, I know who it was.

647
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 8: That's right, that's right.

648
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 1: You thought she was auditioning, but no, that was actually yeah,

649
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:47,959
Speaker 1: no it listen, you know the fun I mean she

650
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 1: didn't even this woman, she didn't even like get out

651
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 1: of the car. I mean, I was, you know, seven

652
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 1: years old. She dropped me off. And this is obviously

653
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 1: before cell phones and stuff.

654
00:30:57,880 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 2: So like I.

655
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 1: Would come down be the elevator and go out to

656
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 1: the curb and just kind of like look.

657
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 8: And sort of wait because she would be circling the block.

658
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 3: They don't understand it.

659
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 5: I've tried to explain New York in the eighties and

660
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 5: the nineties, like early nineties, auditioning and getting dropped off

661
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 5: and walking the city, and these are California kids, Jason,

662
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 5: They're just they don't get it.

663
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it was, by the way, California, I mean, sorry,

664
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 1: New York in the eighties was also I mean.

665
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 5: It was New York in the eighties, Yeah it was.

666
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 5: It wasn't the Disney store in Times Square. It was

667
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 5: there wasn't some hooker named Disney who.

668
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 4: Didn't care that.

669
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 8: You never heard it.

670
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wanted to take it to her store exactly.

671
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 3: It was a different time.

672
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but but no, I mean, look, I my

673
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 1: mom is uh look and my dad, I mean there

674
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 1: she especially during when I was doing the play, they

675
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 1: would kind of alternate taking me into the city and stuff.

676
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 1: So it was, yeah, I'm forever indebted to them.

677
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 7: It was a family sacrifice for Yeah, well, was your

678
00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 7: sister still dancing and doing other things at this time

679
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 7: or was it mainly the focus on you at this point?

680
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 8: So she was like seven years older.

681
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 1: So so when I'm doing conversations with my father, I

682
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 1: am in seventh grade, She's like, yeah, she's I think had.

683
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 8: Gone to college. She had stopped. Yeah, yeah, she had.

684
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 8: She had sort of stopped.

685
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 1: I think she kind of stopped when she was like

686
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 1: maybe fourteen or something like that. And I think it

687
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 1: was a combination of her sort of wanting to and

688
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 1: same for my younger sister, of them sort of wanting

689
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 1: to stop, but also just they weren't working as much.

690
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 1: And you know, I mean I wanted to stop at

691
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: some points, and I remember there were like two distinct

692
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 1: times when I thought, Okay, this is you know, I

693
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 1: think I should stop this. I'm like, I can't hang

694
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 1: out with friends because I'm going on some voiceover audition.

695
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 8: That I'm not even booking, Like what am I doing?

696
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 8: This is so lame? And then I would book the

697
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 8: next thing, you know, and I mean, I'm back a golf.

698
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 3: It's like playing golf.

699
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 5: This is the thing in the world that you hit

700
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 5: one shot, You're like, I'm coming back tomorrow.

701
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm going pro yo.

702
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

703
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 8: So anyway, it's yeah, it's a drug. I mean, it's

704
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 8: a drug.

705
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 2: But so when did you so this pulled you back

706
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 2: to New York? When did you come back to LA

707
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 2: and actually like move move to LA.

708
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that was in ninety seven then, so so

709
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 1: that was yeah, so back to New York.

710
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 8: This is ninety one ninety two, and then.

711
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 1: Finished the play and then kind of had my rest

712
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 1: of my freshman year, sophomore year in high school auditioning.

713
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 1: This was one of the times when I was like,

714
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 1: you know, I was still I was like, now I'm fourteen,

715
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 1: fifteen years old, I'm still too young. I can't go

716
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 1: into city on my own. So I'm still getting driven

717
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 1: by my mom.

718
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 8: But I'm like.

719
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 1: Getting older and it feels a little and all of

720
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 1: my friends, now, well, I really don't have friends because

721
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 1: they've all this is the cue, the violent this is

722
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 1: you know, all of my all the friends have kind

723
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 1: of formed their groups early high school because you know,

724
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 1: there were kind of middle school to two smaller elementary

725
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 1: schools come together. In middle school, all the friends started

726
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 1: forming I'm the kid on Broadway.

727
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 3: You're describing by town. This is exactly how I grew up.

728
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 3: It's the same thing, and this is like's so weird.

729
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 1: I'm so happy to hear that, like this is yeah,

730
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 1: because it's, uh, it's such a weird, unique childhood, Like

731
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 1: it's the weirdest thing.

732
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 8: And so yeah. So I was like spent freshman year,

733
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 8: sophomore year just kind of going what am I doing?

734
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 8: Like I'm getting driven into the city by my mom,

735
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 8: and I'm.

736
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 1: Not booking anything, and I have no friend and I

737
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 1: can't play sports because.

738
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:45,760
Speaker 8: God forbid, I have an audition.

739
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 1: So I'm like not doing anything and I had I

740
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 1: got an audition for a soap opera, As the World

741
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 1: Turns that filmed in New York, and I'm driving into

742
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 1: the city, and I remember telling my mom in the

743
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 1: Toyota Previa minivan driving in it was like a gray

744
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,280
Speaker 1: rainy I'll never forget this. It was like a gray

745
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 1: rainy day. And oh and I also used to get

746
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 1: like carsick to boot on the top of all of this.

747
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 8: Yeah.

748
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I like had like a like a headache

749
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh God, I'm gonna throw up.

750
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I'm like, Mom, I like this. I

751
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 1: don't think I can do I got it, you know what,

752
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:30,720
Speaker 1: Like I love it. I'll revisit, you know, after high school.

753
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 1: You know. But I think I'm gonna tell let's tell

754
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,360
Speaker 1: the agent. Let's just like I just let's chill on

755
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 1: this for a little bit. This is it's kind of embarrassing.

756
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:40,839
Speaker 1: I haven't worked in a year and a half. I

757
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 1: like have no friends. I just like, screw this, I'm

758
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 1: gonna throw up all over.

759
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 8: Your limo again.

760
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 1: And uh, She, to her credit, you know, was like

761
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 1: because I think I was a little I was nervous

762
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 1: to tell her, not that I thought she was going to.

763
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 8: Not allow me.

764
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 1: It was never that because I never felt she was

765
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 1: never like that kind of stage mom. But But I

766
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:07,879
Speaker 1: don't know, I'm just nervous to say it, maybe because

767
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 1: I was afraid of it becoming I don't know, I

768
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 1: just was afraid to say. And her reaction was was

769
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 1: she was like, okay, like fine, whatever you want. I

770
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 1: mean now, in hindsight, I'm sure she was thinking, like

771
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:22,840
Speaker 1: I'm driving you every day she use my language, sorry,

772
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:24,319
Speaker 1: like this is crazy, like.

773
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 8: And you're not even.

774
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 9: Bookings a year and a half since you were on

775
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 9: real that all this time and money on you.

776
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 8: So anyway, so she was like okay.

777
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 1: And and of course that audition was for this you know,

778
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 1: soap opera, and I booked it. I ended up doing

779
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 1: it and did it for a year and and uh

780
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 1: and and was like, okay, the drug.

781
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 3: Thatszy schedule either, it's a crazy schedule, dude. Don't you

782
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,319
Speaker 3: do like eleven episodes in a day?

783
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 8: Yeah, pretty much.

784
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 1: So it was literally a full hour episode today. They

785
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 1: split it into an AM session and a PM session.

786
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 1: They would usually give me the PM session so I

787
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:16,919
Speaker 1: could go in at like one. I'd still like leave

788
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 1: school early, but again I was still only fifteen, so

789
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 1: i'd have.

790
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 8: To like get my mom to do But whatever, I

791
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 8: was like, I was back. I actually started.

792
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 1: I think it's at what at some point during that year,

793
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 1: I think I started. She must have they must have

794
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 1: like signed over some sort of guardian ship I believe

795
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 1: to like one of the producers or something so that

796
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 1: I could I took a started taking the bus. So

797
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 1: this was also when I felt like I was starting

798
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 1: to become a little independent as well, which was good,

799
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 1: and so I did that for a year then was fired,

800
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 1: but was the was the only actor I remember I

801
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 1: was fired. So Danielle, you were asking like, was that

802
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 1: crazy to like have that thing where like suddenly you

803
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:59,800
Speaker 1: had this high and it was low and uh. I

804
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:04,839
Speaker 1: remember getting called into the executive producer's office of As

805
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 1: the World Turns and him firing me, and I'll and

806
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:11,879
Speaker 1: being like whoa and thinking am I bad?

807
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 5: Do?

808
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 1: I say, like, and he was saying, you know, no,

809
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 1: it's storyline, it's this, We're going in a different direction, all.

810
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 8: The things, you know. But I remember leaving there like whoa.

811
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 1: Because now I'm also old enough truly to sort of process.

812
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:32,320
Speaker 1: And also my book detector is pretty good, and you know,

813
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 1: you go, oh, maybe it is partly me, I don't

814
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:40,840
Speaker 1: you know, maybe there is something like it's funny there

815
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 1: they brought they work because also earlier that season or

816
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 1: that year, they had brought in a potential girlfriend character

817
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 1: for me, or they they screen tested. This is actually

818
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 1: a funny little aside. So they brought in four actresses

819
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 1: for me to screen test to be my love and

820
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 1: potential love interest.

821
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 8: Can I tell you a little secret. I think I've.

822
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 1: Mentioned this before, but I'll say it here. I had

823
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 1: to kiss these girls in the screen test on camera.

824
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 1: It was my first kids. Okay, so good pressure. Yeah,

825
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:25,720
Speaker 1: I think I can say this because she has Okay,

826
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 1: you know what, I won't say her name.

827
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 8: How about this.

828
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 1: I won't say her name justin case, but I will

829
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 1: say Okay, So I had I kissed these four actresses

830
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 1: and they were it was my first kid. I never

831
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:42,279
Speaker 1: was so nervous, okay. And they ended up like never

832
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:44,759
Speaker 1: I think they hired one of them, but they never

833
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 1: put us.

834
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 8: Together like they kind of.

835
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 1: It ended up not being a love interest for me.

836
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 1: So I'm like, oh God, I m I must I

837
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 1: must be a kisser or I must suck.

838
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:57,240
Speaker 2: You chemistry.

839
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 1: Street, It's me, It's me. And then uh so they whatever.

840
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 1: I was fired And then like a month after that,

841
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 1: the Emmy nominations come out, and I was the only

842
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:16,360
Speaker 1: actor nominated from the shower, the.

843
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:22,240
Speaker 5: Only actor Best Kid, Best Kiss on a Soap Opera.

844
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:24,840
Speaker 10: Well, I would later go on through the Best Kiss,

845
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,239
Speaker 10: Best Kiss at the MTV Awards for My kiss with

846
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 10: Shawn Williams Scott an American Pam.

847
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:31,280
Speaker 8: You know what, you know what.

848
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 5: Were you just were you just not back on the

849
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:37,439
Speaker 5: show or did they give you? Were you like killed

850
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 5: in a tragic blimp accident or you fail? Like did

851
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 5: they get you the character killed off?

852
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 1: Or not killed off? But something just as ridiculous. My

853
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 1: the my mom in the show, and I found a

854
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 1: suitcase of like five hundred thousand dollars of ransom money

855
00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 1: that we decided to keep ourselves and started spending on things.

856
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,919
Speaker 1: There's a whole episode where I am Ice skating because

857
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 1: I decide to buy ice skates with the stolen ransom

858
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 1: money and it's like.

859
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 5: Every kid, kid, give me Ice skates.

860
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 8: So I remember, so I got nominated and whatever. It's

861
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:23,320
Speaker 8: a daytime, and you know what I remember from my hugo.

862
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 1: I know, I know, but for my ego, it was

863
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 1: like such a like okay, you know what, like because

864
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 1: your head, you go to the darkest places. I'm obviously terrible,

865
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:37,280
Speaker 1: Like that's I'm a horrible kiss her, I'm a horrible

866
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 1: actor and all this suff But back to the actresses.

867
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:46,239
Speaker 1: So the four actresses, I end up one of them.

868
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 1: Years later, I'm in New York and I'm down at

869
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 1: fourteenth Street Ace station and I'm walking and I walked

870
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 1: past this woman and we kind of make eye contact

871
00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 1: and we keep walking and then we turn around at

872
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:02,359
Speaker 1: the exact same time and we looked back and we're like,

873
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:08,360
Speaker 1: and she was one of the actresses that I had kissed.

874
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 8: And she's like, Jason, you know, can I tell you

875
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 8: something like what? She goes, She goes, you were my

876
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 8: first kids.

877
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:17,799
Speaker 1: And I go and I said to her, and I go,

878
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 1: you were my second, third, or fourth?

879
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:24,280
Speaker 8: You were either my first, second, third, or fourth?

880
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 1: Yes, because I didn't remember who you went first. You

881
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,839
Speaker 1: were either you were my first year or second, third?

882
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 8: Fourth? Yeah. Yeah, isn't that funny. You would know her,

883
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 8: You would know this actor.

884
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:40,319
Speaker 1: She's the sweetest, best that.

885
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:54,400
Speaker 8: Anyway.

886
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 7: So then nineteen ninety nine comes around and everything changes

887
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 7: for you. Obviously the script has become a phenomenon. But

888
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 7: when you first read American Pie. Were you like, holy,

889
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:16,840
Speaker 7: this is wild. What was your impression?

890
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:20,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, so yeah, I mean so I had

891
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 1: gone out to LA then, actually in ninety seven, I

892
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:25,319
Speaker 1: had gone out. That's where I was trying to get

893
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 1: to before. And I just love the sound of my

894
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 1: own voice so much.

895
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 8: Thanks. I am an Emmy nominated actor.

896
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:33,800
Speaker 6: Exactly.

897
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:39,799
Speaker 8: It's aime whatever day time is. Still only went from

898
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 8: the show, no big deal. And I did not win.

899
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 8: By the way, if you case you're wondering, and we.

900
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:49,320
Speaker 7: Knew you would have told us if you did, it

901
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:51,919
Speaker 7: would have been.

902
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:01,879
Speaker 8: So.

903
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 1: So in ninety seven, I get it. I get a

904
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 1: TV show also brings me out to LA. This time

905
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:10,799
Speaker 1: I'm like, I dropped out of two colleges and this

906
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 1: time I'm like, I'm staying in LA the show. That

907
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 1: show was canceled as well after thirteen episodes. You're sensing a.

908
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:19,319
Speaker 8: Pattern, and but I was like, I'm staying out in LA.

909
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 1: And then a few months after that, I got an

910
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 1: American Pie. But at that point, it was ninety seven

911
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 1: ninety eight, and it was the you guys were all

912
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 1: out there. It was like the greatest time to be

913
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:30,800
Speaker 1: a teen age.

914
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 8: After in La, every movie, every I mean, it was

915
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:38,799
Speaker 8: just like insane. I was going out so much, it was.

916
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 1: And so I'm reading all these scripts and uh going

917
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 1: and auditioning for them and would have been psyched to

918
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 1: have gotten any one of them, and got closed on

919
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 1: quite a few. And then American Pie, which wasn't called

920
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 1: American Pie at the time, that script comes to me

921
00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:59,879
Speaker 1: and I read that and immediately, did you did any

922
00:44:59,880 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 1: of you guys read it?

923
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 8: Like read it?

924
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:04,799
Speaker 3: I don't think so, No, it.

925
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 8: It.

926
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 1: I mean it was like in a class of its own,

927
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 1: you know. You just you read this thing and you go, oh, oh,

928
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 1: oh that's.

929
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 8: What this could be.

930
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 1: This is what it is when you like when you

931
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 1: a really go for it, but also like have characters

932
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 1: that are kind of grounded and have poor you know, like,

933
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:27,320
Speaker 1: oh this is what this is what this should be,

934
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 1: you know. And I just remember reading it like laughing

935
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:34,280
Speaker 1: my off in my little room in West la sleeping

936
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 1: on my futon, just like laughing out loud, just like,

937
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 1: oh wow, this is this would be really great if

938
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:42,919
Speaker 1: I could get this one. And I read the role

939
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:46,799
Speaker 1: in thinking like oh, I'm cold, this is totally my thing,

940
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 1: you know. And yeah, and so then just went through

941
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 1: the you know, went through the audition process, and they

942
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 1: wanted Jonathan Taylor Thomas.

943
00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 8: Uh. Apparently at first that was the name. I can tearing, and.

944
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 1: The directors were pushing for you know, sort of no

945
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 1: name or sort of lesser named actors and uh, which

946
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 1: was great and ultimately got their way.

947
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:15,839
Speaker 8: And I think because it.

948
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:20,800
Speaker 1: Was a smaller movie by studio standards, they had a

949
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 1: little bit more you know, leeway and uh. And yeah,

950
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:28,280
Speaker 1: you know, after a couple of months, got the offer

951
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 1: to to do it.

952
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 5: It was such an ensemble were they were they kind

953
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 5: of putting together different groups of actors to kind of

954
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:38,439
Speaker 5: do anything together or was it really one at a time?

955
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:40,279
Speaker 8: One at a time?

956
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:40,880
Speaker 6: Wow?

957
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 5: And they got that chemistry that isn't amazing, But yeah, no.

958
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:48,799
Speaker 8: There were no chemistry. Reads. I did not read.

959
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 1: I did not read with Alison, I did not read

960
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:52,320
Speaker 1: with Eugene.

961
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:54,280
Speaker 8: I did not I mean nobody.

962
00:46:54,360 --> 00:47:01,400
Speaker 1: It was they piecemealed this thing and and like knocked

963
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 1: it out of the park obviously. I mean I am

964
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 1: Eddie K. Thomas, who played Finch, who was also a

965
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:13,320
Speaker 1: New York Kid actor, so I had known him forever.

966
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 1: He was one of those PCs kids that took the

967
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 1: subway and had his little friend the cool kids. And

968
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 1: I would see him on all these auditions and we

969
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 1: kind of like nod with recognition and I'd see his

970
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:28,839
Speaker 1: name on the sign, and but we never spoke more

971
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 1: than two words to each other. And he actually at

972
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 1: one point was an extra in a scene on As

973
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:37,919
Speaker 1: the World Turns where I like get where I get

974
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 1: where I get beat up in in school, like I

975
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 1: get like thrown against the locker, and he's like the

976
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:44,799
Speaker 1: bully's sidekick.

977
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:46,800
Speaker 8: And we still didn't talk to each other. He was

978
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:48,840
Speaker 8: just like looking at me like this as an extra,

979
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:50,399
Speaker 8: and we still weren't here.

980
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 1: And then I get passed in American Pie and I

981
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 1: go back to New York. There's like a month, you know,

982
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 1: between me being cast and the start of filming. So

983
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 1: I go home to New York to hang with my

984
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 1: friends and stuff. And I'm in my agent's office in

985
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:10,239
Speaker 1: New York and I go up to her desk and

986
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 1: she has a headshot of Eddie on her desk and

987
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 1: I go, oh, my god, you do you you know

988
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 1: what's up Eddie? She goes, yeah, I wrap him, and

989
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:20,720
Speaker 1: I go, I had no idea we even had this

990
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 1: this crazy we have the same agent. And then she goes, yeah,

991
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:24,800
Speaker 1: and as a matter of fact, he just got cast

992
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 1: in the movie.

993
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 8: He's going to play Finch. And I'm like, get out

994
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 8: of here. That's incredible.

995
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:33,800
Speaker 1: I've known this kid since we were this big without

996
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 1: really knowing that.

997
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:34,799
Speaker 8: Yah.

998
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 1: And so back in LA I go to the table

999
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 1: read and I remember walking in and seeing Eddie and

1000
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:42,319
Speaker 1: we just like had this like.

1001
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 8: You you fifteen.

1002
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 1: Years I've seen you and like immediate best friends, immediate chemistry.

1003
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 1: And he's my brother. I mean he's he's like, to

1004
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 1: this day, my best friend. And so so that chemistry

1005
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:03,279
Speaker 1: was easy. And like after Eugene was cast, we we

1006
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 1: kind of had a rehearsal day where we went in

1007
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:08,279
Speaker 1: and kind of like improvised all these scenes, and the

1008
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 1: chemistry there was immediate. But it was really just like

1009
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 1: a credit to the casting director and the directors, like.

1010
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, right, I mean now when I was just I'm

1011
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 5: curious when when you're shooting. Because one of the things

1012
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:23,400
Speaker 5: I remember distinctly about this movie was that it was

1013
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 5: one of the first times I saw that they had

1014
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:29,400
Speaker 5: done it was like an under an unrated version. Yeah,

1015
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 5: and I'd never really seen that before. So did you

1016
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:33,840
Speaker 5: know you were going to do that as you were shooting?

1017
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:35,440
Speaker 5: Would you shoot one way? Because I know there are

1018
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:38,880
Speaker 5: multiple scenes that you that were shot different ways for

1019
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 5: it was an R rating or no rating, and so

1020
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 5: did you know that going in where it's like, all right,

1021
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:43,800
Speaker 5: we're shooting it this way, and then we're going to

1022
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 5: shoot it this way, and the we're gonna shoot this

1023
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:46,400
Speaker 5: way and then we're gonna shoot this way. Or are

1024
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:47,880
Speaker 5: you kind of just making it up as you go

1025
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 5: along with like let's try you on the desk now

1026
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 5: with the Pie or was that already planned?

1027
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 8: Great question?

1028
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:56,279
Speaker 1: So, no, we had no idea there was going to

1029
00:49:56,360 --> 00:50:02,360
Speaker 1: be an unrated version. And this was right before DVD.

1030
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:06,399
Speaker 1: Like the first American Pie I have on VHS, and

1031
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:10,080
Speaker 1: then like by American Pie two, there were no VHS.

1032
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:15,919
Speaker 1: So it was literally in that period where the unrated version.

1033
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 1: I feel like the unrated is kind of a DVD thing, right,

1034
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 1: like all the extras and the unrated and all that

1035
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 1: it seemed to me to coincide with.

1036
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:27,959
Speaker 8: So the first American Pie, we just shot it.

1037
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:32,319
Speaker 1: And what ended up we decided to do it two

1038
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 1: different ways, not because we thought a one way is

1039
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:38,279
Speaker 1: going to be less scandalous, and we'll get us the

1040
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 1: R rating and this version will save you for an

1041
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:45,239
Speaker 1: unrated that was not on our radar at all. It

1042
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 1: was simply which one of these is going to be funnier?

1043
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:52,439
Speaker 1: Like it was scripted, I think, standing up, But we said,

1044
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:54,319
Speaker 1: you know what, what if I was actually on the

1045
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 1: countertop as well, mounting the pie like that would be funny.

1046
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 1: Why don't we try that too? And so we did

1047
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:03,920
Speaker 1: it that way, not because of any reason. And so

1048
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 1: I believe in an early cut the funnier I mean

1049
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 1: there was.

1050
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:10,840
Speaker 8: They were both.

1051
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 1: Funny, right, But they put it in me on the

1052
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:18,440
Speaker 1: countertop and uh, and that immediately got an NC seventeen.

1053
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:22,240
Speaker 1: So then they go to they go to me standing

1054
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 1: up against the counter and then turning around, you know,

1055
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 1: holding the pie, and this is true story. They that

1056
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 1: also got an NC seventeen. And basically what it came

1057
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 1: down to, my understanding is that it came down the

1058
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:44,319
Speaker 1: from an NC seven, we got multiple NC seventeens, and

1059
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:47,239
Speaker 1: the way we got it down finally to an R

1060
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:50,880
Speaker 1: rating was the number of thrusts.

1061
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 8: Into the pie.

1062
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:57,399
Speaker 1: Okay, So ultimately that was the big fight It wasn't

1063
00:51:57,440 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 1: over f words.

1064
00:51:58,239 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 8: You know, there's a standards like you're.

1065
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:01,320
Speaker 6: Allowed how three or whatever?

1066
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:05,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, whatever, It was the number of thrusts into the pie.

1067
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:08,879
Speaker 1: And so it was started here and it ultimately came

1068
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:12,279
Speaker 1: down to because I guess two thrusts is an R

1069
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 1: but three thrust is an EMT seventy, So amazing.

1070
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 3: How country to.

1071
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:19,279
Speaker 2: A question that I that I've I have for a

1072
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 2: lot for actors in general, because this came up to me.

1073
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:26,879
Speaker 2: I worked with Serena Vincent on a movie called Cabin

1074
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:29,399
Speaker 2: Fever and she had just come off not another teen

1075
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 2: movie where she was naked the entire movie, like that

1076
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 2: was the joke. And then we were doing Cabin Fever

1077
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:38,840
Speaker 2: and she was very nervous about partial nudity that we

1078
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 2: had to do in the movie and I was like, what,

1079
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 2: you were completely naked and she's like, that was for comedy. Yeah,

1080
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 2: that was totally fine. If I have to be sexy,

1081
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:48,240
Speaker 2: that's a whole different type of pressure. And my brain

1082
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:50,920
Speaker 2: just went, oh god, that makes so much sense. So

1083
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:53,239
Speaker 2: how did you feel? Were you totally fine with all

1084
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 2: the nudity and sex stuff because it was pure comedy

1085
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 2: or was there part of you that was also kind

1086
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 2: of like, uh, uncomfortable or nervous about any of that.

1087
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 8: That's a great I love hearing that story because that's

1088
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 8: exactly how I've always sort of seen it. Yeah.

1089
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:10,360
Speaker 1: I I always sort of thought like, oh, I'll do

1090
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:13,440
Speaker 1: anything for a joke, like like you know what I mean,

1091
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 1: Like there's no sort of that being said. I do

1092
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 1: remember thinking the day that I showed, the day that

1093
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 1: we did the pie scene, being a little concerned because again,

1094
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:27,360
Speaker 1: at this point, I mean, we had had this great past,

1095
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:29,759
Speaker 1: the table we'd killed. We'd been shooting for about a

1096
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:31,399
Speaker 1: week or two at that point, so we had had

1097
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 1: great footage, like the chemistry, everything was lining up the

1098
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:36,239
Speaker 1: way it was supposed to line up. But there was

1099
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:39,840
Speaker 1: still a part of me that thought, is this pornography?

1100
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 8: Is anyone going to see?

1101
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:42,879
Speaker 2: This?

1102
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:43,719
Speaker 5: Is?

1103
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:46,279
Speaker 1: Just? Am I like going to make a complete to

1104
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:47,960
Speaker 1: myself and never work again?

1105
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:51,759
Speaker 8: Just you know those young like kid like I've got

1106
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:54,800
Speaker 8: this opportunity, but am I gonna blow? Like just those

1107
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 8: kinds of thoughts. And I called my.

1108
00:53:56,640 --> 00:54:00,719
Speaker 1: Manager at the time that morning from my trailer. I

1109
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 1: remember calling him being like, is this I'm gonna go

1110
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:05,960
Speaker 1: in there and I'm gonna do this right, like I'm

1111
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 1: gonna go and good pie. And he's like, yes, you

1112
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 1: are the one hundred percent are.

1113
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:13,320
Speaker 3: Multiple times from multiple angles.

1114
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 1: That's what you are going to do it, and you

1115
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 1: were going to love it and you're going.

1116
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:21,240
Speaker 2: To do it for more movies.

1117
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 8: But I remember, and then that was that. Then that

1118
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 8: was it.

1119
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:28,480
Speaker 1: And and I'll tell you what really cemented the exact

1120
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:32,759
Speaker 1: thing that Serena said, Serena, you said, right, Serena vin said, Yeah,

1121
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 1: the exact thing where it was totally cemented for me

1122
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:39,279
Speaker 1: and I've lived by it to this day and I've

1123
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 1: never questioned it again.

1124
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:42,240
Speaker 8: Was I shot the scene.

1125
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 1: We did one take and we cut and there was

1126
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:50,880
Speaker 1: like a half second pause and then the entire crew

1127
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:54,799
Speaker 1: burst out laughing. Yes and I and and that was

1128
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:58,439
Speaker 1: the moment where so many things happened for me. One,

1129
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:03,400
Speaker 1: the Serena Vincent school of comedy was planted in me forever.

1130
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:07,480
Speaker 8: And two I thought, oh, I think this movie is

1131
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:09,400
Speaker 8: gonna yeah it be something.

1132
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:12,080
Speaker 1: Yeah. I was like, this is this is actually I

1133
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:14,879
Speaker 1: think this is and not because of me. It wasn't

1134
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 1: about me. It was about it was about oh, this

1135
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:21,879
Speaker 1: is we are doing something that that like is I've

1136
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:25,879
Speaker 1: never seen this, And all sixty three people who were

1137
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:30,680
Speaker 1: standing around me right now just went holy yeah, And I.

1138
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:33,319
Speaker 8: Was like, this is okay. I think we I think

1139
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:34,279
Speaker 8: we're cooking.

1140
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 5: With It did something in the It also did something

1141
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:39,759
Speaker 5: for people our age in the industry, where it had

1142
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 5: been we'd gotten very wholesome.

1143
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 3: By that point again in Hollywood, and this brought.

1144
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:48,279
Speaker 11: Us right back to those great early eighties movies, the

1145
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:51,480
Speaker 11: Animal House and Meatballs and the stuff I grew up

1146
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:54,719
Speaker 11: watching Fast Times at Ridgemont High where it was like there,

1147
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:58,359
Speaker 11: it wasn't pornography. It was just kind of real how

1148
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:01,360
Speaker 11: kids talked and were at parties and drank beer and

1149
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:03,520
Speaker 11: and we got away. Especially when we're doing something like

1150
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 11: Boy Meets World, we were the very squeaky clean and

1151
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:08,279
Speaker 11: we're also on a squeaky clean night and we've got

1152
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:09,920
Speaker 11: other squeaky clean shows around us.

1153
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:12,480
Speaker 3: So I know that myself as an actor.

1154
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:14,640
Speaker 5: When I saw American Pie for the first time, it

1155
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:17,320
Speaker 5: was like, oh, thank God, it's back, and I was like,

1156
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:19,879
Speaker 5: there's more back like this, Like the things I grew

1157
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:22,839
Speaker 5: up watching are coming back again, and it brought it.

1158
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:27,280
Speaker 5: It started that entire new generation of what young actors

1159
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:30,279
Speaker 5: were capable of again comedically, and so it was just

1160
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:32,200
Speaker 5: wonderfully like, oh thank god, it was like a breath

1161
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:32,879
Speaker 5: of fresh air again.

1162
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:33,160
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1163
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 8: Great.

1164
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:37,080
Speaker 7: Do you think in twenty twenty six you would have

1165
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 7: an intimacy coordinator with the pie?

1166
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:43,720
Speaker 8: I think the pie would request.

1167
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 6: It that I too.

1168
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:46,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you also have to look at the expiration date?

1169
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:48,000
Speaker 3: How old is that pie?

1170
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:51,759
Speaker 5: So it's also important.

1171
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 10: Well, I cannot believe I've made will I.

1172
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 2: Will, We'll just take it to the next level.

1173
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:03,120
Speaker 3: Nice, Well, well I am.

1174
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 10: I am so happy and in the press right now

1175
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:10,919
Speaker 10: because I have literally heard or made every pie joke

1176
00:57:11,239 --> 00:57:15,279
Speaker 10: possible in twenty seven years, and that is the expiration

1177
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:16,720
Speaker 10: day age.

1178
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:18,920
Speaker 8: Of the pie is when I have not heard that.

1179
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:20,480
Speaker 3: Is no congratulations?

1180
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, sure, I think we've gone that at the

1181
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 1: expiration data.

1182
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:29,720
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's pretty great.

1183
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:45,840
Speaker 7: How long does it take American pie comes out?

1184
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:48,160
Speaker 6: Or not even maybe before even before it comes out?

1185
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 7: How long does it take to feel the difference in

1186
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:53,160
Speaker 7: your everyday life? Like there has to be a before

1187
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 7: and an after for you? When does when does the

1188
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:56,280
Speaker 7: after start?

1189
00:57:57,240 --> 00:57:58,360
Speaker 8: Yeah?

1190
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:02,200
Speaker 1: Also a great questions kind of two times, I'd say,

1191
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:09,080
Speaker 1: because actually the first real moment, I think again, putting aside,

1192
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:11,600
Speaker 1: oh my god, the pipe we shot this, the crew last,

1193
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:14,000
Speaker 1: Oh god, where we have something, you know, putting aside

1194
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:15,640
Speaker 1: the table read that we hear for the first.

1195
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:16,920
Speaker 8: Time and you go, oh, this is special.

1196
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:20,160
Speaker 1: Putting aside all those moments, I'd say one that really

1197
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:24,120
Speaker 1: stands out is when the Red Band trailer came out,

1198
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 1: so in like January or something. We shot in the

1199
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:30,600
Speaker 1: summer and it came out in the summer. It was

1200
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:35,000
Speaker 1: one year and in like that winter time they released

1201
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:37,680
Speaker 1: a Red Band trailer, which, if you remember, Red Band

1202
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:41,960
Speaker 1: trailers were a very big deal. Is awesome that you'd

1203
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:44,200
Speaker 1: go to the movie theater and you'd see the previews

1204
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:47,280
Speaker 1: and that it'd be like, you know, green giant, green screen.

1205
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:50,000
Speaker 1: The following preview is rated PG, and you'd see the

1206
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:54,320
Speaker 1: trailer and then very occasionally the screen would be all

1207
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:58,160
Speaker 1: red and you'd be like, what is this? What's happening here?

1208
00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 1: And the trailer itself was ed R and it could

1209
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:05,439
Speaker 1: only be seen before other R rated movies, and that

1210
00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:08,680
Speaker 1: got sort of that became viral and the very beginning

1211
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:13,520
Speaker 1: days of virality, and and what happened was the reason

1212
00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:17,440
Speaker 1: it was a Red Band was because they showed me

1213
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:20,720
Speaker 1: in the Pie and I remember thinking they had sent

1214
00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:23,240
Speaker 1: me the trailer before it came out in the theaters,

1215
00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:26,720
Speaker 1: and I remember, you know, nineteen years old, going, guys,

1216
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:29,640
Speaker 1: you're making a mistake here. You don't want to give

1217
00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:30,440
Speaker 1: away the pie scene.

1218
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:33,440
Speaker 8: But you know, like like I knew anything, you know, but.

1219
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:35,520
Speaker 1: I remember thinking, you don't want to. Why would you

1220
00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:38,800
Speaker 1: give away the pie? Isn't that the thing you want

1221
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:41,320
Speaker 1: to And it turned out to be, of course, the

1222
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:44,240
Speaker 1: most brilliant. It was a quick It was a quick thing,

1223
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:47,640
Speaker 1: but enough to where the people in the audience were like,

1224
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:48,480
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, did.

1225
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:52,200
Speaker 8: He just did I just see him right this movie?

1226
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:54,240
Speaker 8: Now I see the thing? Yeah?

1227
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:57,760
Speaker 1: And it was brilliant and so so I started getting

1228
00:59:57,920 --> 00:59:59,320
Speaker 1: recognized from the trailer.

1229
00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:02,880
Speaker 8: Wow. So I remember that was the first for me.

1230
01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:08,240
Speaker 1: That was like the first time where I you know,

1231
01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:11,440
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, I think, yeah, this this this is

1232
01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:14,520
Speaker 1: not only something special and good, but actually could be

1233
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:18,120
Speaker 1: something like beyond any of our sort of you know.

1234
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:20,560
Speaker 1: And then of course that when the movie came out,

1235
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:23,560
Speaker 1: like that weekend, I remember, you know, walking to get

1236
01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:26,320
Speaker 1: a bagel and being recognized and like, you know, well,

1237
01:00:26,360 --> 01:00:29,040
Speaker 1: crossing literally crossing the street and the car stopping and

1238
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:31,520
Speaker 1: then rolling down their windows like Saturday morning, you know,

1239
01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:32,520
Speaker 1: and then rolling down the.

1240
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:36,240
Speaker 8: Window and like going, hey, do the dance like that quick?

1241
01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:38,920
Speaker 8: You know. It was like literally, well.

1242
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:41,360
Speaker 5: It's also it was written in such a way. The

1243
01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:44,640
Speaker 5: script is so wonderful that it's kind of one quotable

1244
01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:48,120
Speaker 5: moment after another, you know. I mean, it's it's in

1245
01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:51,200
Speaker 5: the zeitgeist where it's just it is you're you're all

1246
01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:53,560
Speaker 5: these little moments that that lasts forever.

1247
01:00:53,640 --> 01:00:55,920
Speaker 3: And it was every character. That was the thing that

1248
01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:58,040
Speaker 3: was so great about it was there wasn't one.

1249
01:00:58,120 --> 01:01:00,320
Speaker 5: I mean, obviously there's people that stood out a little more,

1250
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:02,720
Speaker 5: but it was as a crew, it was cutting to

1251
01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:06,200
Speaker 5: these different storylines, and as an ensemble cast, it just

1252
01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:09,840
Speaker 5: everybody had their beats and it all worked so well.

1253
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:10,520
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1254
01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:14,600
Speaker 1: My favorite, My favorite thing that I would hear in

1255
01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:18,440
Speaker 1: the months and even years after is it was when

1256
01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:21,480
Speaker 1: people would tell me who they were in the friend group.

1257
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:23,560
Speaker 8: Guys in particular, you know, but like, oh.

1258
01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:26,280
Speaker 1: I was odds, I'm oz in our friend group, you know,

1259
01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:31,280
Speaker 1: like people would I because people identified with with those friendships,

1260
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:36,439
Speaker 1: those kinds of relationships it was very it was very cool. Yeah,

1261
01:01:36,520 --> 01:01:39,880
Speaker 1: and like you know, yeah, you know, look, I don't

1262
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:43,160
Speaker 1: you can't make that movie today. It's obviously a time capsule.

1263
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:45,880
Speaker 1: There's certain scenes you certainly couldn't couldn't do today, but

1264
01:01:46,680 --> 01:01:50,040
Speaker 1: as a time capsule and as a sort of reflection

1265
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:53,880
Speaker 1: of the kinds of experiences that high school kids had

1266
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:56,240
Speaker 1: in terms of being more authentic than just a sort

1267
01:01:56,280 --> 01:02:00,760
Speaker 1: of glossy kind of you know, clean kind kind of experience.

1268
01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:02,680
Speaker 1: Just you know, it's sort of hit in a way

1269
01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:04,480
Speaker 1: that other movies didn't.

1270
01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:06,120
Speaker 8: So yeah, I.

1271
01:02:06,080 --> 01:02:09,320
Speaker 7: Think one commonality between all of us who got famous

1272
01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:11,360
Speaker 7: in the nineties or the two thousands is that at

1273
01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:15,960
Speaker 7: some point we all found ourselves in completely insane situations

1274
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:20,479
Speaker 7: as new celebrities. Whether it's Shaquille O'Neal deciding to hold

1275
01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:23,120
Speaker 7: me over his head, or Writer being on the Oprah

1276
01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:26,800
Speaker 7: Winfrey Show talking about fan Mail, or Will writing Tower

1277
01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:29,760
Speaker 7: of Terror with Bill ny the Science Guy, they all

1278
01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:34,200
Speaker 7: sound like mad libs. Is there any Is there any

1279
01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:40,160
Speaker 7: insane situation that you can specifically remember yourself being in

1280
01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:42,360
Speaker 7: after American Pie came out that you'd like to share

1281
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:43,240
Speaker 7: with us, Well.

1282
01:02:43,160 --> 01:02:52,120
Speaker 1: I remember walking by Writer Strong's part, I have made it.

1283
01:02:54,480 --> 01:03:04,600
Speaker 8: Terrible. Yeah, driver, Oh my god, I mean.

1284
01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:08,200
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean you must have gone to every Maxim

1285
01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:09,520
Speaker 7: party and every.

1286
01:03:10,040 --> 01:03:15,880
Speaker 1: Yes Maxim party, every Maxim party, every every time there

1287
01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:16,840
Speaker 1: was a new PlayStation.

1288
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:18,440
Speaker 8: I was there because I want to.

1289
01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:23,920
Speaker 1: But yeah, oh my god, the Maxim Party of Jesus, yep, yeah,

1290
01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:24,640
Speaker 1: all the things.

1291
01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:24,920
Speaker 8: I mean.

1292
01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:29,880
Speaker 1: Look, I've yeah, in the late nineties, early two thousands, LA,

1293
01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:33,520
Speaker 1: you know, and I was, you know, I had I

1294
01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:36,080
Speaker 1: kind of made a group of friends out there who

1295
01:03:36,120 --> 01:03:38,600
Speaker 1: were you know, we all wanted to go out and

1296
01:03:38,680 --> 01:03:44,120
Speaker 1: hang and party, and I partied with crew. One member, well, Eddie.

1297
01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:47,920
Speaker 1: Eddie was part of my crew, but the rest were

1298
01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:52,120
Speaker 1: kind of not actors. One was like my my downstairs

1299
01:03:52,120 --> 01:03:54,320
Speaker 1: neighbor at the first apartment I lived in LA, who

1300
01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:57,320
Speaker 1: ended up we became roommates ourselves, and he was just

1301
01:03:57,440 --> 01:03:59,920
Speaker 1: like our bud and became friends with Eddie to so

1302
01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:04,120
Speaker 1: me Eddie. This guy and then another guy who I

1303
01:04:04,160 --> 01:04:06,360
Speaker 1: met on a blind date. I'm gonna tell you this

1304
01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:08,920
Speaker 1: story because it does have a payoff. Met this guy

1305
01:04:08,920 --> 01:04:12,320
Speaker 1: in a blind date. His brother was working at Warner

1306
01:04:12,320 --> 01:04:14,320
Speaker 1: Brothers at the time, and this was like in that

1307
01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:17,640
Speaker 1: year between filming American Pie and it coming out. Of course,

1308
01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:19,840
Speaker 1: I'm going out in all these generals, right, you.

1309
01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:22,320
Speaker 8: Know, like I got a new movie coming out, you know.

1310
01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:26,080
Speaker 1: And I met this guy at Warner Brothers Greg Silverman,

1311
01:04:26,360 --> 01:04:28,400
Speaker 1: and he and I was, you know, new to La,

1312
01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:30,400
Speaker 1: didn't have a lot of friends, and he said, you

1313
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:31,200
Speaker 1: should meet my brother.

1314
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:33,120
Speaker 8: You'd really like if you guys would really get along.

1315
01:04:33,320 --> 01:04:35,680
Speaker 1: So he put me and gave me a phone number

1316
01:04:35,720 --> 01:04:38,960
Speaker 1: and called this guy and he's like Jason. I was like, yeah, doron.

1317
01:04:39,120 --> 01:04:40,960
Speaker 1: He's like yeah, He's like, listen, come up to meet me.

1318
01:04:41,080 --> 01:04:42,680
Speaker 1: We have a house party going on in the hills

1319
01:04:42,680 --> 01:04:44,880
Speaker 1: on Saturday night. I got a bunch of girls coming

1320
01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:48,520
Speaker 1: up from San Diego. I'm like, yes, yes, yes. It

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Speaker 1: was my first time going to the hills by the way,

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Speaker 1: and I was like this is crazy. But anyway, he

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Speaker 1: and I became best friends immediately. He ended up marrying

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Speaker 1: my wife's sister, so we are now. I met my

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Speaker 1: wife on a blind date. I met him on a

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Speaker 1: blind date. We were friends for ten years. Then I

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Speaker 1: meet my wife on a blind date and he's my

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Speaker 1: best man. My wife's sister is her maid of honor.

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Speaker 1: And then they end up getting married like two years later,

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Speaker 1: and now they have three boys and we have two boys. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: so yeah, so it's still kind of have my crew

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Speaker 1: a little bit, you know, one related now and yeah, anyway,

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure I answered, what's I don't know what?

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Speaker 8: Oh yeah, that's yeah.

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Speaker 1: The late the night that that that period in LA

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Speaker 1: it was, yeah, it was, it was wild. It was wild,

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Speaker 1: it was wild, it was and yeahs man, those.

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Speaker 8: Nights, yes, oh my god. Absolutely, dublins on I mean

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Speaker 8: there were.

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Speaker 6: Dublin Yeah, who wasn't there.

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Speaker 7: So after the success of American Pie, do you feel

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Speaker 7: pigeonholed at all? I mean, here you are, daytime Emmy

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Speaker 7: nominated actor, a Saison Broadway actor, and a Pulitzer Prize

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Speaker 7: finalist play and now you're the king of sex comedy.

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Speaker 6: Is there anything that you.

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Speaker 7: Really wanted, like a role you really really wanted and

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Speaker 7: you just feel like you missed out on because they

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Speaker 7: couldn't see past it?

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Speaker 1: Really good question, I mean, I I'm yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure, I mean I remember, like, yeah.

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Speaker 8: I can't think of specifics.

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Speaker 1: I mean I definitely there were like dramatic roles that

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Speaker 1: I certainly was like, oh, this would be great, I

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Speaker 1: could do this.

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Speaker 8: And then just kind of, you know, not even really

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Speaker 8: And but you.

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Speaker 1: Know, I never sort of let it get to me,

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Speaker 1: I think, because I always felt like it just really

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Speaker 1: psyched to be able to get any of the roles

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Speaker 1: that I know sounds so trite and weird, but like

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Speaker 1: I truly I think because I had been fired from

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Speaker 1: shows as a kid, I had gotten what I thought

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Speaker 1: was my big break and then it gets canceled, and

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Speaker 1: had that happened a few times, and like I had

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Speaker 1: kind of seen that already that even with American Pie,

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Speaker 1: even though it was clearly different and had set me

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Speaker 1: up in a different way, I still kind of thought

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Speaker 1: I was waiting for the other shoe to drop. But

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Speaker 1: I think I just had a different appreciation for it.

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Speaker 1: I never never took it for granted and still don't.

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Speaker 1: So even though I would sort of think I think

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Speaker 1: the answer is yes, you're one hundred percent, there are

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Speaker 1: definitely roles I did not get and continue to not

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Speaker 1: get because.

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Speaker 8: I'm Jim and American Pie one million percent.

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Speaker 1: But I wouldn't trade it for anything, Like I'm not

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Speaker 1: ever going to complain about it. I will admit to

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01:07:38,360 --> 01:07:41,520
Speaker 1: it I'm fully aware of it, and it still happens, and.

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Speaker 8: I'll get I will get like I will get.

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Speaker 1: Bumped still, you know, because i know I'm still carrying

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Speaker 1: some of that baggage with me.

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Speaker 8: But it's also like.

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Speaker 1: I'm happy to be carrying the bags too, Like I

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Speaker 1: have these great.

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Speaker 8: Full suitcases and I'm still here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, however, many years later and I'm still working enough,

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Speaker 1: and I'm you know, I can pay.

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Speaker 8: My mortgage and I'm I'm like, you know, like.

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Speaker 1: It's and we all know the so many people who

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Speaker 1: are not still here doing what they like to do,

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Speaker 1: and like so so so honestly, like the answer is, yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's tons of jobs that I wish I got and

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Speaker 1: that I know I didn't get because I'm Jim in

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Speaker 1: American Pie.

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Speaker 8: Right, But there's also job that I got because I'm Jim.

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Speaker 1: In America, more than the ones I didn't, you know.

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Speaker 7: So we spoke to another one of our shared co stars,

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Speaker 7: mit A Suvari on our podcast, and we chatted about

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Speaker 7: a new American Pie movie, American Funeral.

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Speaker 6: What do you know about it? Is?

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Speaker 7: Is it?

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Speaker 6: What do what can you tell us?

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Speaker 1: I was going to ask you about America's VIP I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't, I have no I I honestly have no idea.

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Speaker 8: I mean that's been sort of floated. I thought more

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01:08:53,840 --> 01:08:56,280
Speaker 8: like a joke. I've never seen anything like that.

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01:08:56,479 --> 01:09:00,160
Speaker 1: But the idea that actually feels like it has had

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01:09:00,240 --> 01:09:04,160
Speaker 1: some legs, uh is, and it's and also because I

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Speaker 1: think it's fairly obvious and I'm not going to take

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Speaker 1: credit for it.

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Speaker 8: I think Sean's talked about it. I've talked about it.

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Speaker 1: I feel like an everyone's kind of thought about it,

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Speaker 1: which is we're now at the age because in the

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Speaker 1: last American Pie, I had like a three year old

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Speaker 1: I think son. Now, if we made the movie, they

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Speaker 1: would be that kid would be high school age, so

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Speaker 1: be yeah, so so so I think the sort of

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Speaker 1: if we were to do one right now, you know,

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Speaker 1: I think it would be I'm Eugene, Eugene is the

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Speaker 1: grandfather of my son, and then you kind of pass

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Speaker 1: it off to the next generation.

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Speaker 8: And that's kind of the idea.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we talked about Sean maybe having a daughter,

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Speaker 1: you know, and he's got to deal with his own

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Speaker 1: you know, like, uh, his from the past. Right, there's

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Speaker 1: so many factors that need to you know, it's a

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Speaker 1: no brainer.

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Speaker 5: It would do really well, which is why they'll never

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Speaker 5: ever make it. You know, well, so smart, so smart,

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Speaker 5: it makes total sense, So let's not do it.

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Speaker 3: It's it's such a weird business right now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, the only question that I can answer

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Speaker 1: with full confidence is you know, would I do it?

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Speaker 8: And the answers yeah, like.

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Speaker 1: Of course, yeah, you know, And not because it's any

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01:10:17,880 --> 01:10:23,240
Speaker 1: reflection of sort of like career or what it's like.

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Speaker 1: I want to do it because I think people would

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Speaker 1: like it. I think people ask me about it daily,

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01:10:29,560 --> 01:10:32,200
Speaker 1: and so I know there's an appetite for these to

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Speaker 1: see these characters and to see where they are now.

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Speaker 8: And because it's the most.

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Speaker 1: Fun I've ever had working, Like of course I would

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Speaker 1: do it, you know, like forget about all the other stuff,

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01:10:42,280 --> 01:10:44,080
Speaker 1: Like I just it would be so much fun. So

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01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:46,519
Speaker 1: I mean, I hope, I hope one day it kind

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01:10:46,520 --> 01:10:49,960
Speaker 1: of all the ducks line up and we'll see.

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01:10:50,240 --> 01:10:53,920
Speaker 7: Let's talk about untitled home Invasion romance you've produced in

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01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:57,800
Speaker 7: the past. But what made you want to direct and

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01:10:57,840 --> 01:10:59,040
Speaker 7: how did the script get to you?

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01:10:59,720 --> 01:11:03,880
Speaker 8: Yeah, So the script came to me just to act in.

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Speaker 1: It was sent as an offer to you know, this

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01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:10,080
Speaker 1: little indie which you know, we've all gotten the indie offer.

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01:11:10,200 --> 01:11:13,960
Speaker 1: And you know, those conversations can go one of two ways,

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01:11:14,120 --> 01:11:16,479
Speaker 1: usually the one way, which is, you.

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01:11:16,439 --> 01:11:18,880
Speaker 8: Know, we have an offer. It's a it's it's no

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01:11:19,040 --> 01:11:21,360
Speaker 8: you can read it or not. I'm like, okay, thanks

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01:11:21,400 --> 01:11:23,599
Speaker 8: for getting me from my agent. You know, like I'm

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01:11:23,680 --> 01:11:24,400
Speaker 8: really excited.

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Speaker 6: I'm excited.

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Speaker 8: I read it. What a glowing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, please send it, send it to Yeah, Jesus, this

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01:11:32,600 --> 01:11:33,760
Speaker 1: is what my ego needs right now.

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Speaker 8: And but this one, you know, my age.

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01:11:38,280 --> 01:11:42,640
Speaker 1: So I've been looking in earnest for something to direct.

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01:11:42,360 --> 01:11:44,400
Speaker 8: Probably for the last like five years or so.

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Speaker 1: And and I think ever since I was a little kid,

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Speaker 1: just being on sets and stuff, I've always kind of

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Speaker 1: thought that would be fun, you know, that'd be cool

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01:11:52,400 --> 01:11:56,400
Speaker 1: and and and also just sort of you know, being

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Speaker 1: a set kid and just kind of being around all

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Speaker 1: these directors all these years and you just kind of

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01:12:00,360 --> 01:12:02,680
Speaker 1: learned and you just kind of get set savvy. And

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Speaker 1: I kind of feel like, you know, I even go

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01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:07,320
Speaker 1: to film school, so admittedly I knew that on the

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01:12:07,320 --> 01:12:09,760
Speaker 1: photographic side of things, the technical side of things, I

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01:12:09,800 --> 01:12:11,640
Speaker 1: had a lot to learn. But I always felt like

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Speaker 1: I could work with actors like I know what I

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01:12:13,439 --> 01:12:15,560
Speaker 1: want from a director, I know how I want to

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01:12:15,600 --> 01:12:18,720
Speaker 1: be talked to from a director, Like I feel like

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Speaker 1: I could contribute there if the actors trust me.

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01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:24,000
Speaker 8: And but I'd say yeah.

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Speaker 1: It was like the last five years or so, I've

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01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:27,840
Speaker 1: really been looking and I was attached to something that

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01:12:28,080 --> 01:12:33,839
Speaker 1: was more American pie ish for a while, really funny script.

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01:12:34,240 --> 01:12:36,880
Speaker 1: Thought I could maybe do something with it, but ultimately

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01:12:36,920 --> 01:12:40,640
Speaker 1: decided that it was maybe a little too much.

1487
01:12:41,280 --> 01:12:42,000
Speaker 8: Like American Pie.

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01:12:42,080 --> 01:12:44,920
Speaker 1: You talk about acting and like how I've you know,

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01:12:45,400 --> 01:12:50,559
Speaker 1: you get sort of pigeonholed, and that's I felt different.

1490
01:12:50,640 --> 01:12:53,719
Speaker 1: I felt like for my first directing thing, I did

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01:12:53,800 --> 01:12:57,479
Speaker 1: want to try to like hold out for something maybe

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01:12:57,560 --> 01:12:59,120
Speaker 1: a little a little different, you know.

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01:13:00,600 --> 01:13:02,679
Speaker 8: I don't know I saw it as as different.

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01:13:03,000 --> 01:13:06,439
Speaker 1: I just thought I wanted to do something a little

1495
01:13:06,439 --> 01:13:08,080
Speaker 1: more unexpected on that front if I.

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Speaker 8: Had the opportunity.

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Speaker 1: That's the other thing, is like what you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean, It's like it's all about luck and timing

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01:13:12,920 --> 01:13:14,880
Speaker 1: and opportunity as well. And you know, I get a

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01:13:14,880 --> 01:13:16,200
Speaker 1: call from my agent and he's like, I got this

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01:13:16,280 --> 01:13:19,000
Speaker 1: Indian I'm right, and he said no, no, no, hold on,

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01:13:19,040 --> 01:13:22,559
Speaker 1: hold on, it's actually, uh, I think it's you'll like it.

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01:13:22,560 --> 01:13:24,400
Speaker 1: It's a really cool script, it's a fun role, and

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01:13:24,439 --> 01:13:26,200
Speaker 1: I think this might be the one you want to direct.

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01:13:26,200 --> 01:13:27,800
Speaker 8: And I was like, really okay, and I read it

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01:13:27,800 --> 01:13:30,560
Speaker 8: and he was right. I like, I fully agreed, and.

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Speaker 1: And so we just kind of went back to the

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01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:36,479
Speaker 1: one producer who was attached at the time and kind

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01:13:36,479 --> 01:13:40,519
Speaker 1: of we all sort of agreed that, you know, I could,

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01:13:40,680 --> 01:13:43,760
Speaker 1: I could pursue it as as the director, and I

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01:13:43,840 --> 01:13:45,479
Speaker 1: went to some people I had worked with in the past,

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01:13:45,479 --> 01:13:48,360
Speaker 1: and we were able to raise the money and get

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01:13:48,360 --> 01:13:50,240
Speaker 1: it into production. Yeah, So it was just kind of

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01:13:51,000 --> 01:13:56,240
Speaker 1: and and and and yeah, I just felt like, you know, it, comedically,

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Speaker 1: I feel like lines up a bit more with my

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01:13:58,960 --> 01:14:02,280
Speaker 1: sensibilities as they stand right now, you know. I mean,

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01:14:02,280 --> 01:14:05,960
Speaker 1: I love all comedy and I'm a I just you know,

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01:14:06,040 --> 01:14:09,040
Speaker 1: but this felt a little darker and weirder and kind

1519
01:14:09,040 --> 01:14:13,720
Speaker 1: of quirkier. And it's just more of my speed, I think. Now,

1520
01:14:13,840 --> 01:14:15,400
Speaker 1: you know the movies that I like to watch now,

1521
01:14:15,520 --> 01:14:19,040
Speaker 1: you know, the sort of the the Coen Brothers type

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01:14:19,360 --> 01:14:21,200
Speaker 1: that I am not. I am not a Coen brother,

1523
01:14:21,240 --> 01:14:23,559
Speaker 1: but this was. It felt to me like, oh, this

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01:14:23,680 --> 01:14:25,680
Speaker 1: lives in that sort of world. I like this, you know,

1525
01:14:25,760 --> 01:14:29,080
Speaker 1: this was kind of fun. So yeah, I'm just and

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01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:31,920
Speaker 1: then yeah, just luck that I'm able was able to

1527
01:14:32,040 --> 01:14:36,599
Speaker 1: like find a producer with a checkbook that was willing

1528
01:14:36,640 --> 01:14:37,519
Speaker 1: to back me with.

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Speaker 8: No directing experience. No, you know, I don't have a

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01:14:41,000 --> 01:14:41,479
Speaker 8: short film.

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Speaker 3: I didn't have.

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Speaker 8: Anything to show for it.

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01:14:43,840 --> 01:14:46,800
Speaker 1: I happened to work with him on a movie that

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Speaker 1: there were a bunch of kid actors in and the

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Speaker 1: director was having a hard time. I shouldn't say that

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Speaker 1: she she she's wonderful, but she, by her own admission,

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Speaker 1: she was basically look wanted me to help her with

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Speaker 1: these kid actors because she knew that I was a

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Speaker 1: kid actor. So I was helping direct these kids, like

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Speaker 1: giving them kind of notes in a language that I

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Speaker 1: had already that I was fluent in.

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Speaker 8: Right, And the producer was like, do you want to direct?

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Speaker 8: Like you know? And I was like, yeah, I do

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Speaker 8: as a matter of fact. And so it was that

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Speaker 8: producer that I went back to and.

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Speaker 1: Said listen, man, because he was like, come to me

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Speaker 1: if you you know, if you have anything, and I said, hey.

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Speaker 8: Man, remember months back.

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01:15:27,080 --> 01:15:29,040
Speaker 1: I said, I got something for you if you really

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01:15:29,120 --> 01:15:30,360
Speaker 1: and he was like, great, let's do it.

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Speaker 8: And so to his credit, you know, he he he

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Speaker 8: backed me.

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01:15:34,680 --> 01:15:38,960
Speaker 1: So so yeah, and now I've you know, I'm sure

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01:15:38,960 --> 01:15:41,120
Speaker 1: I've lost all his money, but you know, whatever.

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Speaker 8: I have, I have a real.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 7: I mean, I really do feel like through talking to

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01:15:51,320 --> 01:15:54,760
Speaker 7: you that you there's like a really strong theme through

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01:15:54,800 --> 01:15:57,080
Speaker 7: your life which is like a real go big or

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01:15:57,120 --> 01:16:00,960
Speaker 7: go home, diving into the deep end. And now you're

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Speaker 7: doing it by directing and starring in your own project.

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Speaker 7: So you should be very very proud of yourself. You've

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Speaker 7: worked with some real heavy hitter directors in your career.

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Speaker 7: Do you feel like there was anything in particular you

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Speaker 7: took from any one of them that helped you in

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Speaker 7: this process? Any shout outs you want to give?

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Speaker 1: Sure? Yeah, I mean, excuse me, the that's a great question.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for asking that. I think the Weiss brothers

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01:16:28,520 --> 01:16:31,240
Speaker 1: for sure, who directed the First American Pie. I think

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Speaker 1: about them a lot because that was their first movie directing.

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Speaker 1: And so I've actually worked with a lot of first

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Speaker 1: time directors, as I'm sure you guys have, and some

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Speaker 1: of them are able to come in and sort of

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01:16:44,160 --> 01:16:46,280
Speaker 1: you know, do it and do it well, and you go, oh,

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01:16:46,640 --> 01:16:48,639
Speaker 1: they belong here, and some of them you go, oh,

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01:16:48,720 --> 01:16:50,960
Speaker 1: maybe I would do this differently or not. And the

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01:16:51,000 --> 01:16:54,040
Speaker 1: thing about the White's brothers that I'll never forget, in

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01:16:54,080 --> 01:16:57,759
Speaker 1: addition to them just being so smart and so funny

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01:16:57,880 --> 01:17:02,439
Speaker 1: and yeah, justlli and the fact that they worked so

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01:17:02,520 --> 01:17:08,760
Speaker 1: well together, was their openness and their eagerness to collaborate.

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Speaker 8: They were never like we got this moving on here.

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01:17:13,960 --> 01:17:16,400
Speaker 1: There was a confidence, of course, but there was never

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01:17:16,439 --> 01:17:21,120
Speaker 1: a cockiness. There was never a They always had the

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01:17:21,160 --> 01:17:26,200
Speaker 1: attitude from what I sensed of. You are the production

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01:17:26,280 --> 01:17:30,479
Speaker 1: designer because you production design better than I production design.

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01:17:31,120 --> 01:17:33,759
Speaker 1: You are the cinematographer because you know how to shoot

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01:17:33,800 --> 01:17:34,439
Speaker 1: and I do not.

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Speaker 8: And I'm going to oversee.

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01:17:36,640 --> 01:17:39,280
Speaker 1: All of this and I'm gonna but I'm inviting all

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01:17:39,360 --> 01:17:41,760
Speaker 1: of you to teach me and show me.

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Speaker 8: And I'm but and so, and that's.

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01:17:45,280 --> 01:17:48,360
Speaker 1: I think huge, you know, like, because I didn't.

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01:17:48,479 --> 01:17:50,920
Speaker 8: I had a lot to learn, a lot to learn, and.

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Speaker 1: So I didn't come into this going you know, I

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01:17:53,320 --> 01:17:57,280
Speaker 1: got this and or even like I mean, I definitely

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01:17:57,320 --> 01:18:01,519
Speaker 1: wanted to show a certain amount of confidence and I

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01:18:01,560 --> 01:18:04,439
Speaker 1: had confidence in some areas more than others. Like I said,

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01:18:04,439 --> 01:18:07,240
Speaker 1: talking to the actors, I felt like I had some confidence,

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01:18:07,520 --> 01:18:10,240
Speaker 1: But I also didn't want to like fake it till

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01:18:10,280 --> 01:18:12,600
Speaker 1: you make it either, because I don't think that for me.

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01:18:13,040 --> 01:18:16,360
Speaker 1: For me, I didn't think that would apply here. I

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01:18:16,680 --> 01:18:22,160
Speaker 1: would rather come into it and say, there's things I

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01:18:22,160 --> 01:18:24,519
Speaker 1: don't know, and I need you guys to teach me,

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01:18:24,760 --> 01:18:27,000
Speaker 1: and I'm going to have opinions on those things, and

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01:18:27,080 --> 01:18:30,600
Speaker 1: I'm going to ultimately make decisions based on what you

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01:18:30,720 --> 01:18:33,680
Speaker 1: teach me. But I'm not going to pretend to know

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01:18:33,720 --> 01:18:36,200
Speaker 1: what I don't know. And that was the Whites Brothers

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01:18:36,200 --> 01:18:39,280
Speaker 1: for me, like I just remember them. And also trusting

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01:18:39,320 --> 01:18:43,639
Speaker 1: the actors, like really like you know, they they trusted

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01:18:43,680 --> 01:18:47,040
Speaker 1: their casting decisions and so they were and then once

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01:18:47,080 --> 01:18:50,640
Speaker 1: the actors were sort of comfortable, they trusted them to

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01:18:51,200 --> 01:18:55,200
Speaker 1: contribute in the way that they you know, and so yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, they really stand out for me, I'm

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01:18:57,840 --> 01:19:00,639
Speaker 1: indebted to them for sure. Kevin Smith someone who I've

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01:19:00,640 --> 01:19:03,040
Speaker 1: worked with a bonch and just like he, you know,

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01:19:03,320 --> 01:19:07,000
Speaker 1: he everyone wants to be there. Everyone who's on a

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01:19:07,080 --> 01:19:10,960
Speaker 1: Kevin Smith set wants to be there because they like

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01:19:11,040 --> 01:19:13,320
Speaker 1: working for him. They think it's fun, they think they're

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01:19:13,360 --> 01:19:19,479
Speaker 1: making something special, you know, you know, I, uh, this

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01:19:19,600 --> 01:19:22,960
Speaker 1: is a name that I'll be very specific about, you

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01:19:23,000 --> 01:19:24,400
Speaker 1: know what I took from it. But like I worked

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01:19:24,439 --> 01:19:26,840
Speaker 1: with Woody Allen and I that's where I fell in

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01:19:26,840 --> 01:19:29,160
Speaker 1: love with the one one shot with the woner, you know,

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01:19:29,280 --> 01:19:29,599
Speaker 1: like I.

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01:19:29,560 --> 01:19:31,880
Speaker 8: Had never I in American Pile.

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01:19:31,920 --> 01:19:34,719
Speaker 1: We had done one or two sort of long wonner

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01:19:34,800 --> 01:19:38,960
Speaker 1: shots that I remember thinking, Wow, this is really really cool.

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01:19:38,800 --> 01:19:39,600
Speaker 8: Very theatrical.

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01:19:39,640 --> 01:19:41,360
Speaker 1: But then when I did the Woody Allen movie, I

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01:19:41,400 --> 01:19:44,720
Speaker 1: mean we were we did almost like there were so

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01:19:44,920 --> 01:19:50,640
Speaker 1: many wonners like constantly, and I just remember feeling so

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01:19:50,840 --> 01:19:54,320
Speaker 1: incredibly engaged as a performer because it was very theatrical.

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01:19:54,360 --> 01:19:56,000
Speaker 8: It was very you know in the pressure.

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01:19:56,200 --> 01:19:58,760
Speaker 1: Now, it was also very traumatic for me, I you know,

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01:19:58,920 --> 01:20:02,360
Speaker 1: like what he can be was very it was very nervous.

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01:20:02,400 --> 01:20:03,280
Speaker 8: It was very nerve wracking.

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01:20:03,360 --> 01:20:05,559
Speaker 1: It's a whole nother story we could get into. I'm

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01:20:05,560 --> 01:20:07,040
Speaker 1: sure I bought trauma around it.

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01:20:07,160 --> 01:20:07,880
Speaker 8: But but.

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01:20:09,520 --> 01:20:12,439
Speaker 1: More I should talk about his cinematographer that I work with,

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01:20:13,120 --> 01:20:15,840
Speaker 1: just how he put these shots together. And so I

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01:20:16,880 --> 01:20:19,600
Speaker 1: always thought if I ever direct, like I have to

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01:20:19,680 --> 01:20:23,000
Speaker 1: find space for one, I have to like find at

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01:20:23,080 --> 01:20:26,880
Speaker 1: least one you know, won Er in this and the

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01:20:27,000 --> 01:20:31,360
Speaker 1: movie untitled Invasion Romance is not very conducive.

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01:20:30,800 --> 01:20:32,360
Speaker 8: To that style of filmmaking.

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01:20:32,439 --> 01:20:36,080
Speaker 1: It's much more kinetic, and so it's the it just

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01:20:36,760 --> 01:20:40,280
Speaker 1: but we found one scene. We found one scene my

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01:20:40,400 --> 01:20:42,720
Speaker 1: DP and I that we both agreed, We're like, oh, yeah,

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01:20:42,720 --> 01:20:44,479
Speaker 1: it's this one, right, Yes, it's this one, and so

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01:20:44,520 --> 01:20:46,560
Speaker 1: we were able to do that and that was always

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01:20:46,960 --> 01:20:49,280
Speaker 1: I look forward to shooting that from day one.

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01:20:50,040 --> 01:20:52,479
Speaker 8: So that was really cool. But yeah, I don't know, man, I.

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01:20:52,800 --> 01:20:55,599
Speaker 1: Just feel like I've just tried to pay attention, you know, right,

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01:20:55,640 --> 01:20:58,559
Speaker 1: guys like you guys just been you just like even

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01:20:58,560 --> 01:21:02,760
Speaker 1: if you're not intentionally actively paying attention, you've just been

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01:21:02,840 --> 01:21:06,120
Speaker 1: on sets for so long, Like I would trust any

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01:21:06,160 --> 01:21:08,519
Speaker 1: one of you guys to direct me because you know

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01:21:08,640 --> 01:21:09,080
Speaker 1: what's up.

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01:21:09,520 --> 01:21:10,760
Speaker 8: You know you just like you know it.

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01:21:10,920 --> 01:21:14,200
Speaker 1: You've worked with people who you know not that you

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01:21:14,280 --> 01:21:15,800
Speaker 1: don't want to do that, and you've worked with the

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01:21:15,800 --> 01:21:17,600
Speaker 1: people who you go, oh that's what I should do.

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01:21:17,920 --> 01:21:22,160
Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, Jason, you are so fascinating. This has

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01:21:22,200 --> 01:21:25,479
Speaker 7: been such a wonderful conversation. Thank you so much for

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01:21:25,600 --> 01:21:28,439
Speaker 7: joining us, and for all of you listening. You can

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01:21:28,479 --> 01:21:33,240
Speaker 7: watch untitled Home Invasion Romance, directed by and starring Jason

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Speaker 7: Biggs right now on demand, rent, or purchase it on

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Speaker 7: Amazon Prime, Apple TV, Google Play, or YouTube.

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01:21:40,840 --> 01:21:42,439
Speaker 6: Thank you again for being here with us.

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01:21:42,479 --> 01:21:43,040
Speaker 8: It was so fun.

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01:21:43,160 --> 01:21:45,479
Speaker 1: You guys are awesome. Thank you so much for having me.

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01:21:45,560 --> 01:21:46,240
Speaker 1: You guys are great.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, it's great.

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01:21:47,920 --> 01:21:48,280
Speaker 8: Thank you.

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01:21:48,360 --> 01:21:49,639
Speaker 6: Joy the rest of your day.

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01:21:49,920 --> 01:21:52,439
Speaker 8: Well, do love to Jensen, take care of guys, Bye,

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01:21:52,600 --> 01:21:53,320
Speaker 8: take care bye.

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Speaker 6: What a career I know.

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Speaker 2: I love that we only covered up to ninety nine though.

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Speaker 5: Guys, we still have another to bring him back because

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01:22:01,240 --> 01:22:02,960
Speaker 5: that was one of my favorite interviews we've done.

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01:22:03,160 --> 01:22:07,519
Speaker 7: I I agree, so fascinating, so interesting.

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Speaker 6: So fun.

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01:22:08,600 --> 01:22:11,680
Speaker 7: Yeah, just I mean yeah, and there were I could

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01:22:11,680 --> 01:22:13,519
Speaker 7: tell there were endless more things I could have asked

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01:22:13,560 --> 01:22:16,040
Speaker 7: him about and stories he could have shared.

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Speaker 6: We've got twenty five years still to cover.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, So thank you all for joining us for this

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