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Speaker 1: Native lamp Pod is the production of iHeart Radio in

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Speaker 2: Well Come, we come, We Come, We Come, We come.

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Speaker 3: Welcome Okay, welcome home, y'all. This is episode eighty two

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Speaker 3: of Native Lampod, where we give you our breakdown of

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Speaker 3: all things politics and culture. We are your hosts. I'm

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Speaker 3: Angela Raie. There's Tiffany Cross and Andrew Gillim. What's happening, everybody?

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Speaker 3: What's going on? What are we talking about today?

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Speaker 4: So much?

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Speaker 3: I don't know what that.

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Speaker 5: Not making a comment? It was like you heard I was.

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Speaker 4: I was looking at the script.

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Speaker 3: What are you saying?

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Speaker 6: I don't know.

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Speaker 5: It was like you like we made it through?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well we were like.

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Speaker 1: He was waiting, like if people on the lease ready

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Speaker 1: to say something. We are talking about a lot of

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Speaker 1: talking about though.

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Speaker 4: Yes, we're talking about a lot of good stuff.

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Speaker 1: And if you like what we're talking about, please be

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Speaker 1: sure to tell you people to tune in, share this

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Speaker 1: podcast with a friend because you don't want to miss this.

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Speaker 1: We have on today the Mario Solomon Simmons. Yeah, from firm,

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Speaker 1: the Mario Simon Simmons, who went to law school with you, Angela.

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Speaker 1: I believe. So you guys have known each other for

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Speaker 1: a long time.

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Speaker 3: Yes, not exactly National Black Glaston's Association.

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Speaker 1: Forgive me, that's where you guys met, but back when

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Speaker 1: you were in law school. And he is a Tulsa

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Speaker 1: descendant himself of the Tulsa Mascer, but he's also the

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Speaker 1: attorney for the survivors of the Tulsa Masker. So yes,

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Speaker 1: there are survivors. Two survivors who are I think one

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Speaker 1: hundred eleven and one hundred and twelve. He'll tell us

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Speaker 1: when he gets on. So I'm really excited to talk

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Speaker 1: about that.

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Speaker 3: I want to shout out because and I'll bring this

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Speaker 3: up when de Mario's on. But when the Mario was

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Speaker 3: in law school on then the boss of board, he

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Speaker 3: was our reparations chair at that time. Working with yeah,

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Speaker 3: working with Professor Charles Ogletree. Yeah, for sure, we're working

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Speaker 3: with Professor Charles Ogletree. This has been a life passion

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Speaker 3: of his and reparations on every side. Right, we know

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Speaker 3: that there's our reparations that our communities owe from mass

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Speaker 3: incarceration to things that cities municipalities did to us, redlining,

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Speaker 3: and of course mass there's just like the one in Tulsa,

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Speaker 3: and then on that Andrew. We know these things, of course, enflament.

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Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, of course they do. They cost money, which

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Speaker 5: is why we want you to tune into our mini

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Speaker 5: pot on Friday, because we're gonna be having a conversation

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Speaker 5: about the implications of this disastrous quote unquote big beautiful

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Speaker 5: mess that Trump and the Republicans in Washington want to

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Speaker 5: push down our throats. We want to talk about who's impacted,

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Speaker 5: what are the stories we're not hearing on the news,

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Speaker 5: and why it ought to matter to all of us,

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Speaker 5: whether we are working class, we're working poor, middle class,

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Speaker 5: upper middle or if you're in the top one percent.

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Speaker 5: You're listening their implications to.

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Speaker 3: Everybody, and that's just it. So one thing that you know,

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Speaker 3: we all love is when we get to hear from

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Speaker 3: our community. Tiffy in those comments, child, I love us

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Speaker 3: for doing it. She gives us the comments update. But

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Speaker 3: we also love when y'all send in videos all over

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Speaker 3: the country, even doing the State of the People power

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Speaker 3: to it, and we have heard over and over again

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Speaker 3: how much y'all love the show. I almost thought I

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Speaker 3: was gonna lose my life in Jackson because Tip's flight

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Speaker 3: got canceled. The people were hot. Andrew. You ran out

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Speaker 3: of there and they were like, no, where is Andrew.

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Speaker 5: Listen, this one sister met me in the airport. She

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Speaker 5: gave me to the airport. She was gonna have to

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Speaker 3: So what I want to tell y'all one, from the

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Speaker 3: bottom of our hearts, thank you so much for loving

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Speaker 3: on us. And every time we say welcome home, you

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Speaker 3: and that is to get in these listener comments. So

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Speaker 3: let's start with the first one.

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Speaker 7: Hey n check it out. So you talk about democracy,

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Speaker 7: and for one, the quote should be placed on the people,

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Speaker 7: the American people, who aren't fault for the situation that

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Speaker 7: we're in because between ninety million people did not even

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Speaker 2: Box last year.

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Speaker 7: On top of that, you had another seventy five million

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Speaker 7: vote for an authoritarian So if you want to put

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Speaker 7: blame on the legislature at Allso no, you've put the

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Speaker 7: blame on the people. The people get the the government

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Speaker 6: If you don't vote and you vote the wrong way.

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Speaker 5: You get what you deserve.

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Speaker 7: So you guys need to put more responsibility on the voters.

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Speaker 7: And I know that Angela's doing her tour and try

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Speaker 7: people of the hobble. There's too many people sitting around saying, oh,

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Speaker 7: this doesn't work. It works if you vote the write

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Speaker 7: being ridiculous. It's democracy. But it's democracy that people are

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Speaker 3: Okay, friend, just start out. I appreciate you sitting in

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Speaker 3: the video. Did you say video the video? Friend, But

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Speaker 3: let me just say this. First of all, you had

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Speaker 3: you real comfortable. I am so glad you are welcome.

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Speaker 3: All you were so comfortable you walked down the street

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Speaker 3: We're listening to different groups, having different kinds of conversations,

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Speaker 4: I just don't know.

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Speaker 3: That ninety million people decide to sit out something where

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Speaker 3: We talk a lot about on this podcast of us

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Speaker 3: having to regularly, us having to regularly tap into a

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Speaker 3: And so I just would challenge us on like telling

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Speaker 1: I I hear him and I this ninety million figure.

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Speaker 1: I wonder like where that comes from. Maybe ninety million

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Speaker 1: that might sound like a stark number, but in twenty twenty,

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Speaker 4: So that ninety million number wouldn't seem so start.

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Speaker 1: We've had way more people set out elections.

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Speaker 4: In twenty sixteen, one hundred million people did not vote.

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Speaker 1: This is a big year when you had no more

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Speaker 1: I want to just honor you, brother, for one taking

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Speaker 1: the time. You're clearly busy because you had to record it,

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Speaker 1: like Angela said, walking down the streets. So just for

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Speaker 1: time to express your opinion because a lot of people

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Speaker 4: I really do.

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Speaker 1: But I think once we dig into the data and

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Speaker 1: They remain undefeated. And I think that is and when

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Speaker 1: I say white folks, it is the idea of whiteness.

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Speaker 1: The idea of this ruling class, and so I you know,

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Speaker 1: Angeline talked about us being in a space of curiosity,

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Speaker 1: even outside of what's happened here in America, I just

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Speaker 1: And I'm not talking about like exploring why not, Like yeah,

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Speaker 1: And the more I read about things that happen, you know,

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Speaker 3: So it's like, that's the thing that is the part

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Speaker 5: And there are other gamuts that are that are that

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Speaker 4: I don't know that.

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Speaker 1: We've I agree with everything he said, Andrew, save for

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Speaker 1: the part about democracy. I don't know that I've ever

440
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Speaker 1: really believed this was a democracy. You know, when I

441
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Speaker 1: have my show this well, I can't remember this bitch

442
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Speaker 1: name because she offended me. And I mean to say, yes, sure,

443
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you why she I think I want

444
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Speaker 1: to say maybe she wrote for The Atlantic. I don't remember,

445
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Speaker 1: but I had her. I was feeling in for Joy.

446
00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:49,240
Speaker 1: I didn't have my show yet. I was feeling in

447
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Speaker 1: for Joy on her weekend show when she was moving

448
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Speaker 1: a primetime I had this woman on and I was

449
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Speaker 1: making the point that we are a young demidocracy, yes,

450
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Speaker 1: and she was really nasty about it and was kind

451
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Speaker 1: of like talking to me like I'm an idiot, you know,

452
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Speaker 1: And she's like, we're not a young democracy, We're the

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Speaker 1: oldest democracy.

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Speaker 4: And we had to go my producer in my ear,

455
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Speaker 4: like we got to go to a break, like we

456
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Speaker 4: got a ramp.

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Speaker 1: And there are so many people who actually believe America

458
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Speaker 1: is one of the oldest democracies. And I would ask, well,

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Speaker 1: what do you consider a democracy? You consider it that

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Speaker 1: because you were able to participate in it. But this

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Speaker 1: was a white woman, so I'm like, it's you weren't

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Speaker 1: even in a democracy that you weren't even denying participation

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Speaker 1: in this democracy. But you're so busy trying to be

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Speaker 1: nasty to me to tell me that it was a

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Speaker 1: young democracy. But if you google American oldest democracy, you

466
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Speaker 1: will see papers, articles, think pieces on how America is

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Speaker 1: one of the oldest democracy.

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Speaker 4: The devil is a lie. It ain't no oldest democrac It's.

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Speaker 5: Never been, not in the truth form that you're talking about.

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Speaker 5: I think, yeah, people can factually say that we're one

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Speaker 5: of the longest running. There have been societies that have

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Speaker 5: changed forms of government and gone back and forth between

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Speaker 5: this form and that form. But be clear that India

474
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Speaker 5: is the world's oldest democracy, and quite frankly, in the

475
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Speaker 5: life of society and in the life of Homo sapiens.

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Speaker 5: The United States as an idea is extremely young. In fact,

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Speaker 5: we have institutions colleges, Harvard being one of them, that

478
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Speaker 5: pre existed the existence of the United States. And I

479
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Speaker 5: don't mean the land, I mean the formation of this

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Speaker 5: as a country. So we are relatively you know, we

481
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Speaker 5: are relatively young, however, pretty enduring given the life of

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Speaker 5: that the country has had. But I think the most

483
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Speaker 5: important thing about that, Tiffany. You are bringing it up,

484
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Speaker 5: and I think the point you wanted to make, which

485
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Speaker 5: is in its fullest form, when we think about democracy

486
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Speaker 5: and democratic participation, this country still falls woefully short of

487
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Speaker 5: its ideals. And that's why we have to stay in

488
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Speaker 5: the game, put our shoulders to the wheel, stiff in

489
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Speaker 5: our spine. It's because it's then our job to you

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Speaker 5: to move this thing closer to its ideals.

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Speaker 3: That's the part though that's hard for me too, because

492
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Speaker 3: it's like, how did and we can't probably can't solve

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Speaker 3: to say, this is another mini pod, but how did

494
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Speaker 3: we get roped into helping you fulfill some ideals that

495
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Speaker 3: you didn't even think enough of us to include? How

496
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Speaker 3: did we get roped into helping you fulfill ideals when

497
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Speaker 3: you owe us every damn thing? Like I'm gonna tell y'all,

498
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Speaker 3: I'm gonna just tell y'all something this probably.

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Speaker 10: Don't say said anyway, I think that what has happened

500
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Speaker 10: on this tour I might have been radicalized.

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Speaker 5: I am girl, please, you are definition radical, but I.

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Speaker 3: Think more so now Andrew, because I'm like, I just

503
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Speaker 3: know in my core we just deserve so much better. Sure,

504
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Speaker 3: and I am very much so doubting that the people

505
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Speaker 3: who we need to do better by us have the

506
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Speaker 3: capacity or interest to do so let me give you

507
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Speaker 3: an example. Let me just give you an example. I

508
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Speaker 3: know Tip is like, this is one question. We got

509
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Speaker 3: one moment, but it's my last quart. I want to

510
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Speaker 3: hit an example, like I got time today. So listen

511
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Speaker 3: you guys, and blessed you, and I want to honor

512
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Speaker 3: my elders. But God damn it. We had a white woman,

513
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Speaker 3: an elder white woman, come to Louisville. The first day

514
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Speaker 3: she had us. She was sitting there with her American

515
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 3: flag shirt on, button up, and when I got in

516
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,879
Speaker 3: the room, I was telling them how this was a

517
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Speaker 3: black focused, Black centered movement to oprahvide relief, opportunity and

518
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Speaker 3: policy solutions for our people. I ain't had the mic

519
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Speaker 3: down for fifteen seconds before sister girl pulled me to

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Speaker 3: the side and said, this is not just for black people.

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Speaker 7: I saw you.

522
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Speaker 3: How you gonna tell me?

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Speaker 10: How are you gonna tell me that this is not

524
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Speaker 10: just for black it is for black people? How do

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Speaker 10: I know because I'm one of the visionaries, ma'am. I

526
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 10: don't even know your name. Alicia Keys, like.

527
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Speaker 5: What are you talking about?

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Speaker 3: How are you going to tell me that this is

529
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Speaker 3: not for black people? So I said, ma'am, that's what

530
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Speaker 3: was going on the inside. Y'all would have been proud.

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Speaker 3: That's not my response. I said, ma'am, this is for

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Speaker 3: black people. I said, we orchestrated it that way. And

533
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Speaker 3: she said, well, no, because I'm here. And I said,

534
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Speaker 3: and I'm so glad you're here. And she was like,

535
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Speaker 3: but you have to go. You have to go get

536
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Speaker 3: more people like me so that Andrew's face, so that

537
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Speaker 3: you can be effective. And I said, ma'am, that is

538
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Speaker 3: not my calling. That's your calling, Susie and Larry and Bethanem.

539
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Speaker 3: I'm not going to get them.

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Speaker 4: That's not what I feel called to do.

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Speaker 5: And I was so like a f Did I think

542
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Speaker 5: this weekend? No? I think I was on different levels. No, No, No,

543
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Speaker 5: I think I was speaking on different levels. She heard

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Speaker 5: this is a black exclusion exclusive space. That's what you said,

545
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Speaker 5: because that's.

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Speaker 3: How they moved.

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Speaker 5: No, I'm not saying no, no, no, I'm not.

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Speaker 2: I'm not.

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Speaker 5: I'm talking about the difference and the way it is processed.

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Speaker 5: And first of all, let's just see white people move

551
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Speaker 5: differently in society because the first thing she could do

552
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Speaker 5: in this whole event was sent to herself. She can't

553
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Speaker 5: talk about she done it.

554
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Speaker 3: Wait and I didn't even get to this part because

555
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Speaker 3: I forgot andrew no good. That's what she did the

556
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Speaker 3: second day too, to the point where I don't want

557
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Speaker 3: to call everybody. I'm gonna call hert Holly Holliday, who

558
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 3: was moderating this conversation for black it's the Black Women's

559
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 3: Leadership Collective Panel. Everybody's listening since came back the next day.

560
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Speaker 3: Since you know, Holly's asking if there's any questions. The

561
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Speaker 3: woman again and does the same thing, and Holly was like,

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Speaker 3: now you know you're not on the panel, right right.

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Speaker 10: She had to be like, you school, you got a question,

564
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Speaker 10: but you can't just be up here with no microphone,

565
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 10: like what are we doing?

566
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Speaker 3: And I think that that is part of the problem.

567
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Speaker 3: You have an ego centric leadership and political structure.

568
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Speaker 4: You have an egocentric way of existing.

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Speaker 3: That even when people have to create space for themselves

570
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Speaker 3: to be seen and heard, you still find a way

571
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Speaker 3: to center yourself. Everything about this place has been built

572
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Speaker 3: for y'all. If y'all don't let me have this moment

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Speaker 3: as Simmons College with black people in Louisville, we.

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Speaker 1: Gonna have a problem, man, Like, I think that's the

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Speaker 1: part of the challenge, quite frankly, because and this is

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Speaker 1: kind of my point, whiteness remains undefeated. So even you know,

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Speaker 1: that was my point about if every black person voted,

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Speaker 1: whiteness remains undefeated. So then you go to well, because

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Speaker 1: I have an issue with all the people like shitting

580
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Speaker 1: on the Arab community, the Latino community, Api community, because

581
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 1: y'all leap frogging over all these white folks going after

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Speaker 1: people in the country.

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Speaker 4: Wasn't kind to them either.

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Speaker 1: Yes, acknowledging that, there of course is anti black sentiment

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Speaker 1: in communities, But I'm like, if eighty percent of a

586
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 1: group voted, but twenty percent is trying to ally, I

587
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 1: want to talk to that twenty percent. And so what

588
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 1: is not my ministry is to try to appeal to

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Speaker 1: the hearts and minds of this idea of whiteness. It's

590
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 1: not my ministry to try to change perspective. It's not

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00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 1: my ministry to seek humanity where I have seen none.

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00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 1: Throughout history, I've seen no evidence of any such thing.

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00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 1: And so I don't know what we do in this space.

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Speaker 1: So many of you guys, thank you for tuning in.

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00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 1: I'm really so. I'm very receptive. When people come up

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00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 1: to me and you listen to NLP, I'm very receptive.

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00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 1: I'm very receptive to conversation, and I really anticipate disagreement. Sadly,

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00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 1: I have not had a lot of disagreement. People come

599
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 1: up to me and I'm already anticipating the say you

600
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 1: know you're wrong about this, and they're like, sifnany you

601
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 1: keep talking about you feel hopeless. Then I'm bracing myself.

602
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 1: I'm like, yes, give me some hope. You about to

603
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 1: tell me how wrong I am feeling hopeless And they're like, girl,

604
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 1: me too, Like I feel the same way. And it

605
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 1: makes me sad because I'm like, I don't want to

606
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Speaker 1: be spreading darkness. I don't want to be spreading hopelessness.

607
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,959
Speaker 1: But I am a bit like if that's who they are,

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Speaker 1: if this woman had the semerity to stand in this

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Speaker 1: space and center herself and say no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: this is not just a black space, I don't have

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Speaker 1: anything to say, Like, I don't know that I would

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Speaker 1: even have the you gave her your time. I don't

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Speaker 1: even I would have just said, okay, you know, because

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00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 1: how can I convince you you cannot fill a cup

615
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 1: that is already full. If that's how you feel, then

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Speaker 1: go about your day. And Angel, I'm gonna tell you.

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Speaker 1: I'm listening to this and I'm like, she wanted a confrontation,

618
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Speaker 1: she wanted a viral moment.

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Speaker 4: Is she an op?

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Speaker 8: You know?

621
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Speaker 3: Up here? She might not be right, but she is

622
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Speaker 3: also an official part of the Louisville Democratic Party structure,

623
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Speaker 3: which I.

624
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Speaker 4: Think that's just it.

625
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Speaker 3: There's this thing that happens and we all saw it

626
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 3: on steroids after George Flood was murdered, right, all of

627
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 3: our white friends were calling saying, you know, I just

628
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Speaker 3: want you to know I read the autobiography of Malcolm X,

629
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Speaker 3: and I am Malcolm X. You know it happened so

630
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Speaker 3: many times there are but yet there are some other

631
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Speaker 3: white folks will be like, I don't know what you're

632
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Speaker 3: going through. I just want to hold space. I'm good

633
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Speaker 3: with it. I'm gonna be here. Ashanti, who runs a merge,

634
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 3: did a workshop on how to run for office, and

635
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Speaker 3: there was a white sister who was with her who

636
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Speaker 3: didn't do none of that who didn't do none of

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Speaker 3: that was just like, I'm happy to be here. What

638
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 3: y'all are doing is dope, happy to support. That's the energy, y'all,

639
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 3: that's the energy.

640
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 5: Like if we're not, yeah, I think you're giving a

641
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Speaker 5: lesson right now, because I actually don't I hear where

642
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 5: Tiff is because lord knows, I've been around a number

643
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 5: of ops. I can't even count them, right, don't even

644
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 5: know them. Yeah, but if I receive it in our

645
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 5: most generous spirit, it would be the woman probably wants

646
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Speaker 5: to be an allyship, Yeah, doesn't really know where to

647
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 5: begin and completely has no sense of her space because

648
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 5: she decided to take a space that wasn't hers and

649
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Speaker 5: attempt to bend the whole damn thing right her way

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Speaker 5: and then charge you with the mission of going out

651
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Speaker 5: to get more of hers. That's all way, every way

652
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 5: round wrong. So I would just say, if you are

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Speaker 5: seeking to be an allyship, and you go into a

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Speaker 5: space like this convening, which has no mix ups in

655
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Speaker 5: its messaging about who it is and what is for that,

656
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Speaker 5: if you want to be an ally you go and

657
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Speaker 5: you listen, especially on day one comment number one, welcome

658
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Speaker 5: number one, the first thing you do is stand up

659
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Speaker 5: and put your uself in the middle of the conversation,

660
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Speaker 5: so that then you're the sun and were just going

661
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Speaker 5: around around. You know that doesn't that doesn't work, And

662
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Speaker 5: it takes a little bit of self awareness to know that, yes,

663
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Speaker 5: in every day of your life you move a particular.

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Speaker 3: Way where you got to desire that all you have

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Speaker 3: to know that.

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Speaker 5: You need it. And if you have all your life

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Speaker 5: and a station of privilege, even if you don't think

668
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Speaker 5: you've been in privilege, yes, but that you have the

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Speaker 5: right to come up and confront me on that. I

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Speaker 5: don't know many black people who go into foreign spaces

671
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Speaker 5: and the first thing they want to do after the

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Speaker 5: welcome is to tell you all the things you are

673
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Speaker 5: not and need to be, and how this isn't of

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Speaker 5: service to them. Most of us will sit in curiosity,

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Speaker 5: let this thing go on a little bit, to see

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Speaker 5: what the shape of it is before we do a thing.

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Speaker 5: And we've learned that because in most spaces we aren't welcomed,

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Speaker 5: and when we are, we're little boy patted, little girl

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Speaker 5: patty and not treated like a hue, you know, like

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Speaker 5: a like a like a full person and into a

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Speaker 5: lot of white liberals, my friends, a lot of them.

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Speaker 5: I know, many of them volunteer in my campaign, and

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Speaker 5: I believe they wanted us to win, and they worked

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Speaker 5: like they wanted us to win. But many of them

685
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Speaker 5: are in complete unawareness of the privilege in which they

686
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Speaker 5: walk in and then the way that they move. Yeah,

687
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Speaker 5: and that's because they've never been confronted with a society

688
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Speaker 5: where that isn't true. And the only time they have

689
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Speaker 5: it felt it is when they've been at an event

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Speaker 5: with me and realized that they were the only white person.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like a birthmark with this incentive to shrink.

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Speaker 1: It's like a birthmark to us. And as black Americans

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Speaker 1: where you are, you know, don't embarrass me in front

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Speaker 1: of these white folks coming here, act like you got

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Speaker 1: some sense, or you here you become bilingual because you.

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Speaker 2: You know, your mom is like I.

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Speaker 1: Told you to sit your black ass down, or you

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Speaker 1: betty get.

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Speaker 4: As in this house.

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Speaker 1: Yes, every part of our being has been to your point,

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Speaker 1: Andrew about tapping into our imagination, every part of our

702
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Speaker 1: being has been shaped around them, and so they have

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Speaker 1: no concept. You can let your kids come into a

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Speaker 1: restaurant and jump all over and throw food and ship

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Speaker 1: and act the room.

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Speaker 4: Freedom.

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Speaker 1: They have the freedom to be well because I when

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Speaker 1: I see black kids doing that, I get an attitude and.

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Speaker 4: Then I think, you know, these are black children. Let

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Speaker 4: them have their joy, like, let them live.

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Speaker 1: But I immediately think somebody should tell them kids to

712
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Speaker 1: sit down, you know, at restaurants, if you're next to me,

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Speaker 1: please you.

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Speaker 4: Know, but like you guys, kids, you know that's fight

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Speaker 4: dogs tipped on like I do.

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Speaker 2: The people who know your current.

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Speaker 1: Yes, but I love dogs if it's dogs that I

718
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Speaker 1: love dogs. I'm a grown woman. So no, I'm definitely

719
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Speaker 1: not a babyfitter. And you want me to keep your kids,

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Speaker 1: you just find a babysitter, but usually at a party, airlines, noet.

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Speaker 1: Just to clarify, like, I have very close relationships with

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Speaker 1: kids because I always want kids to feel safe. But

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Speaker 1: I'm I think we should allow space for children to

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Speaker 1: experience black joy.

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Speaker 5: For sure.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but there's no part of.

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Speaker 1: Me that dislikes children. Like I think there's a strange

728
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Speaker 1: sensation to have.

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Speaker 3: But wouldn't I didn't mean like that. I just meant

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Speaker 3: you would rather watch somebody dog get in the baby.

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Speaker 5: That's what I believe probably.

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Speaker 1: But I wouldn't do either just because the time capacity.

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Speaker 1: But we are we are like into this conversation and

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Speaker 1: we still have another viewer comments.

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Speaker 5: I want to make sure your conversation. But I also

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Speaker 5: just wanted to say before we moved on, before we

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Speaker 5: went off, you know, the exit ramp is to simply say, also,

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Speaker 5: black folks have this ability and skill and observation to

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Speaker 5: be an awareness of a space from a higher level

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Speaker 5: of sophistication too. It's it's it is knowing your perceived enemy,

741
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Speaker 5: or certainly knowing your environment outside of what is your environment,

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Speaker 5: so that you know how to move to get from

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Speaker 5: it what you need, what you want, what is in

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Speaker 5: service to you. And again I think the same is

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Speaker 5: still true that there are a lot of other cultures,

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Speaker 5: a lot of other folks, and principally those who are

747
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Speaker 5: white in this country who never have to take surveillance,

748
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Speaker 5: never have to be aware. When you're the highest thing flying,

749
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Speaker 5: you don't look above, right, could you survey what's beneath?

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Speaker 5: And so in so many ways they are the highest

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Speaker 5: thing flying, and so an observation of the entirety three

752
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Speaker 5: sixty is not a requirement. And for many of us

753
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Speaker 5: we got to know the ends, the outs, the exits,

754
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Speaker 5: the exit we're gonna create if it becomes necessary. There's

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Speaker 5: a different level of situational awareness. But I'm with you.

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Speaker 5: I'd love to hear this next question if we enroll it.

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Speaker 8: Hey, native Blamee family. This is Jordan Foster in DC

758
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Speaker 8: by way of Newport News, Virginia. I wanted to come

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Speaker 8: and respond to the question of how do you reshape

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Speaker 8: the country? I think there are two things that I

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Speaker 8: would want to see. One, I want to see the

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Speaker 8: Democratic primaries start this year. That's within this system. I

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Speaker 8: wanted to see it start this year because I feel

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Speaker 8: like Trump has gutted so much of the system that

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Speaker 8: you're whoever is the next Democratic leader. If we get one,

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Speaker 8: they're gonna have to rebuild everything, and the thing's gonna

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Speaker 8: take three years for us to really like learn their vision.

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Speaker 8: And Then two, I think that in whatever new system

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Speaker 8: we get, I want something where we don't have terms

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Speaker 8: in the sense that if you get thrown out, someone

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Speaker 8: just finishes your term. I want to be able to

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Speaker 8: do a vote of no confidence and we just start

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Speaker 8: over again.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: I also want to validate what Tiffany said a few

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Speaker 8: weeks ago. You guys should definitely be talking more, be

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Speaker 8: invited to speak more than the guys from Podsave, and

778
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Speaker 8: more than like Ezra Klin and people like that, because

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Speaker 8: you actually understand the stakes as they are, and you're

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Speaker 8: not just trying to go back to doing like business

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Speaker 8: as usual, and you have a point of you and

782
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Speaker 8: you actually are selling something that is interesting, validating that

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Speaker 8: so much that I had already been saying it for

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Speaker 8: like months before you said it. Tiffany, all right, have

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Speaker 8: a go one.

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Speaker 3: Jordan is our New Shade correspondent.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, Jordan, Thank you Jordan. I appreciate that.

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Speaker 5: I appreciate you.

789
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Speaker 3: I gotta take nobody down to lift your hype your

790
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Speaker 3: bestie up though. You gotta do that.

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Speaker 4: You know, we hype your best But I would say

792
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Speaker 4: this Angela about his point.

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Speaker 1: I'm not even gonna get into my criticism of the media,

794
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Speaker 1: but it is it's like, I think we're at a

795
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Speaker 1: moment in time where we see in every space how

796
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Speaker 1: we center white comfort, and so Pod Save America to me, is.

797
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Speaker 4: A a poster of white comfort.

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Speaker 1: They're never going to say anything that's gonna make white

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Speaker 1: folks uncomfort, and so as a result, there will be,

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Speaker 1: and they're they're not the only ones. But I mean,

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Speaker 1: like across the board, reporters that the New York Times

802
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Speaker 1: have to tailor they're recording for white comfort. Correspondence across

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Speaker 1: media have to tailor facts for white comfort. We see

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Speaker 1: all the time. You know, today, I'm just making this

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Speaker 1: number up. But today or this month, fourteen thousand Palestinian

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Speaker 1: children or children in Gaza were killed. We don't hear

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Speaker 1: today the Israeli government killed fourteen thousand children in the

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Speaker 1: West Bank. We just don't hear things like that. We hear,

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Speaker 1: you know, over you know, one hundred thousand enslaved were killed.

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Speaker 1: We don't hear white people killed one hundred thousand black

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Speaker 1: folks during this time period. And so I think because

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Speaker 1: we all speak our own, unapologetic, unfiltered truth in our

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Speaker 1: own way, and you know, here we get to have

814
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Speaker 1: nuanced disagreement, we get to deep dive into discussion, we

815
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Speaker 1: get to but on a cable news panel, or on

816
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Speaker 1: any panel, they would put us all on under the

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Speaker 1: guise of we all feel the same, like we're all

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Speaker 1: there representing one position, when the three of us rarely

819
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Speaker 1: feel the same about anything. We feel the same about

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Speaker 1: basic humanity, We feel the same about decency, we feel

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Speaker 1: the same about equality.

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Speaker 4: But that's base.

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Speaker 1: Why is that a political point? You know, when you

824
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Speaker 1: get rid of that part. We have very different approaches

825
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Speaker 1: to liberation. We have very different opinions on what's happening

826
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Speaker 1: in democracy right now in the ways to fix it.

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Speaker 1: So I just I got an issue with that, And

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Speaker 1: just real quick, this is another thing I got an

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Speaker 1: issue with too, because these are about the things and

830
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Speaker 1: in the video, but these a lot of comments of

831
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Speaker 1: people constantly saying that we are not in community and

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Speaker 1: we don't know about community. One Angela is doing the

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Speaker 1: State of the People tour. That is an invitation to

834
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Speaker 1: all of community. So please go to State of PPL

835
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Speaker 1: dot org, dot com, dot com dot com and you

836
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:09,840
Speaker 1: can see will be in LA this week so you

837
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Speaker 1: can find us there. But community, I think it was

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Speaker 1: Tavis Smiley and he said that the Ivy League in

839
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Speaker 1: crack cocaine were two of the worst things that.

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Speaker 4: Happened to black people.

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Speaker 1: And I never understood it until I got older and

842
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Speaker 1: I worked with a bunch of black people at a

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Speaker 1: black network.

844
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Speaker 4: That's the over remain nameless, but all the leadership.

845
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Speaker 1: They were Ivy League graduates, and they thought that appealing

846
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Speaker 1: to community meant you were gonna have to appeal to

847
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Speaker 1: the lowest common denominator, so to speak, the most ignorant

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Speaker 1: of the bunch. That meant you were talking to black folks.

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Speaker 1: And I'm here to tell y'all, the most ignorant of

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Speaker 1: the bunch is my community. The working class is my community.

851
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Speaker 1: The middle class is my community. The uppercross folks in

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Speaker 1: my community. The way Angela, you grew up with your parents,

853
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Speaker 1: they some of the blackest people I know. They're my community.

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Speaker 1: Y'all didn't have to struggle to prove your black mant.

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Speaker 1: That's my community. Andrew, the where you live now, that's

856
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Speaker 1: my community. Like we are all a community. So this

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00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 1: whole idea, like y'all ain't in community. You have no

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Speaker 1: idea My Wayian's out there. I promise you. I ain't

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Speaker 1: never left community. Ain't nobody in my immediate family left

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Speaker 1: for you have no idea. So I would just I

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Speaker 1: want to throw out that because that happens a lot.

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Speaker 5: Well, see this is why you are our translator on

863
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Speaker 5: what's being said in the streets. If you will. But

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Speaker 5: I appreciate that. But more than anything, we've lived the

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Speaker 5: way we have lived, and our products and continuing to

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Speaker 5: produce as an extension of that lived experience. So you

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Speaker 5: can you can't ever take from me Richmond Heights, South

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Speaker 5: Miami Heights. You can't goules in Miami. You can't take

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Speaker 5: from me Gainesville, you can't take from me south side

870
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:49,799
Speaker 5: of Tallahassee all the way to where we are now

871
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:52,800
Speaker 5: and what God has for what the future of that is.

872
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 5: And you know, God blessed the person who is able

873
00:45:56,080 --> 00:46:00,320
Speaker 5: to forget that past and make a new. But but

874
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 5: but I am community, just as whoever the mentioner of

875
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 5: that is community. And I think to your point, Tiffany,

876
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 5: about like the nuance and the disagreement and the perspectives

877
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 5: that are so fine in their differences that someone unaware,

878
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:22,280
Speaker 5: someone only looking very servicefully wouldn't pick it up because

879
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 5: they see three brown faces doing or saying a particular thing.

880
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 5: And I've always I've felt this for a long time

881
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 5: about many of the white folks that I have been

882
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:36,360
Speaker 5: in contact with. And my definition or the impact of

883
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 5: community is actually beginning to expand this idea that there

884
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 5: was just some people who can't fit a whole black

885
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 5: person in their mind, like, not just me as a politician,

886
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:49,359
Speaker 5: not me as an activist, not me as a dad

887
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 5: and a father. I'm indivisible. I'm all of those things.

888
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 5: And so when we comment, when we come into a place,

889
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 5: when we bring a perspective, unless we try to delineate

890
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 5: by saying I'm going to separate myself from this, is

891
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:03,720
Speaker 5: that in the third which is which is bull anyway,

892
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 5: because you are a person, You're human, We're an indivisible person.

893
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 5: I cannot be divided between myself. As much as I

894
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 5: might try, or even as much as I might predicate

895
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 5: before I make a statement. I'm me all the way

896
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:20,759
Speaker 5: through and through the worst parts, the best parts, and

897
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:25,800
Speaker 5: everything in between. And my perspective is shaded by that

898
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 5: entire lived experience. And so when you throw me an

899
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 5: ad and you think that that's going to appeal to me,

900
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 5: because to Tif's point, whatever the lowest common denominat is,

901
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 5: you might miss me with that, because that's not where

902
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 5: I show up on this spectrum, on this gradient. I'm

903
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:43,800
Speaker 5: a whole person, though, and I want you to consider

904
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 5: me when you're talking about real America. I'm real America.

905
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:49,840
Speaker 5: Regardless of the population of the place I live or

906
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:52,920
Speaker 5: whether I'm what geographical region of the country. I'm a

907
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 5: real American, and I just I think I thought that

908
00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:01,319
Speaker 5: that was a disease held mostly almost exclusively by white folks.

909
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:04,879
Speaker 5: But it is in true form a disease, which means

910
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 5: it spreads. And now it is a concept that we

911
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 5: are incubators of where we can't we can't see the

912
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:15,879
Speaker 5: fullness of an individual in that perspective, but we use,

913
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 5: frankly the majority ruling class shorthand of you not in

914
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:22,919
Speaker 5: the community, or you're not this, and I'm not going

915
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,760
Speaker 5: after anybody. I don't read those I don't know about

916
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 5: it the conversation we have, but in general we know

917
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 5: how this works. And I would just say to the

918
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:35,719
Speaker 5: earlier point, to the one that was just made by

919
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 5: this listener question, we can't. It is not some theoretical

920
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:44,840
Speaker 5: exercise and futility for us to think again about the

921
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 5: society we want to live in the rules that control it.

922
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 5: Just as I exampled four months ago, this country and

923
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:55,279
Speaker 5: what we thought its extens were were different than how

924
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:57,279
Speaker 5: we might envision them today. I didn't know you could

925
00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:01,400
Speaker 5: close entire departments by one person that you could you

926
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 5: could ameliorate the checks and balance the system by one action.

927
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:09,320
Speaker 5: But all that stuff is happening today on steroids, so

928
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 5: we can, to the other point, imagine something different.

929
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 1: That's Angela. You wanted to get in you. I saw

930
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 1: you trying to get in when I was saying something.

931
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 1: I want to hear what you have to say.

932
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:19,840
Speaker 5: Praise the Lord, everybody.

933
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 3: I don't have anything because we have a guest coming

934
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 3: to join us, and I want to know. I want

935
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:29,759
Speaker 3: you all to know that tiff and Andrews speak for

936
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 3: me even when we disagree, so that I don't think

937
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:35,839
Speaker 3: I disagreed with anything. I want to shout out this brother.

938
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:38,359
Speaker 3: I'm seriously we need him on to be the Shape correspondent.

939
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:41,239
Speaker 3: There's something because he was great and I really liked

940
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 3: how he talked about a strategy that could work for us,

941
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:48,400
Speaker 3: and I think that it is important when we think

942
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 3: about strategies that can work for us, that we have

943
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 3: on people who have toiled, wrestled, fought, were deemed as

944
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 3: crazy or too on matters for many years that we

945
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 3: know are rightfully ours. For over one hundred years, Black

946
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 3: Wall Street has been wrestling with the federal government, the

947
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 3: state government, and the local government to get what they deserve.

948
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 3: And our good brother and friend to Mario. Solomon Simmons

949
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 3: is the primary attorney in lead for the Tulsa Race

950
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:26,440
Speaker 3: massacre survivors and their descendants, and he joins us today

951
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 3: to Mario.

952
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 2: Welcome home, Welcome, welcome, so do Mario.

953
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:43,719
Speaker 3: We are so happy to have you. And it is

954
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 3: on such an important occasion, on the eve of an

955
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 3: important occasion, on the other side of an important occasion.

956
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 3: But just recently the mayor of Tulsa had this to

957
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 3: say finally about justice for Greenwood.

958
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 5: In the work the.

959
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:05,040
Speaker 11: Offside early department on the establishment and a degrea with dress,

960
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:06,960
Speaker 11: a private.

961
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:09,359
Speaker 5: Care of dress that raised and still cause they.

962
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 11: Can investment of one hundred five million dollars of a

963
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 11: private cousin.

964
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:13,800
Speaker 2: On the rot of repair.

965
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:36,319
Speaker 11: What's American, but with the sentence is realular nigs at

966
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 11: the center. They have revised the struction of investing the

967
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:42,839
Speaker 11: former mising and home ownership, are raising the twenty four

968
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 11: recide and an investment that has aligned.

969
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:49,800
Speaker 12: Your euth persons, cause you already out the aligning with

970
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 12: around the apology commission are ready days.

971
00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:59,520
Speaker 8: We wall show do you watch.

972
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:04,880
Speaker 11: That's the puls of storm cultural storm repgangilation. By investing

973
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:08,440
Speaker 11: sixty million dollars for the bird areeligatory the place to

974
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 11: the scargifts.

975
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 12: Including our lessons.

976
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 6: I get this from the.

977
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:15,760
Speaker 12: Master and the other cultural lamars.

978
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:24,320
Speaker 11: To touch all f weve all have off develment and

979
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 11: education by attas the twenty one million dollar down for

980
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:31,640
Speaker 11: education scholarships, small business series.

981
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 12: No clothes and continuating the working closure to the families

982
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:42,319
Speaker 12: of the victims through our recommendment to.

983
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:51,440
Speaker 11: The Mastery investigation, U wehase investments.

984
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:56,520
Speaker 12: To restore a degree in magation pulsed overall to the community.

985
00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:58,240
Speaker 4: We should have been.

986
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:03,800
Speaker 3: So De Mario, I want to come to you because

987
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 3: I know firsthand how hard you have been working on

988
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:12,840
Speaker 3: this announcement with the Mayor, and I just want to

989
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 3: ask you first. I know you got feelings, but I

990
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 3: got to ask you first about Mother Randall and Mother

991
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:22,760
Speaker 3: Fletcher and how they feel about what was done, especially

992
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:25,239
Speaker 3: when you compare what you all asked for and have

993
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:28,840
Speaker 3: demanded for quite some time versus what you've actually gotten

994
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 3: promises for at this point, how are they feeling? What

995
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:31,800
Speaker 3: are they saying?

996
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:33,399
Speaker 7: Yeah?

997
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 13: Well, first of all, I was just excited to be

998
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 13: on to talk about this is We're feeling very good

999
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 13: down here. This has been a lot of work, if

1000
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:42,360
Speaker 13: you stated, and to have our mayor and gift shots

1001
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:44,879
Speaker 13: out to Mayor Monroe Nichols was stepping up to the plate,

1002
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:47,719
Speaker 13: being bold and courageous, and that's what we need in

1003
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 13: a moment that we're living in today. The survivors are

1004
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:53,839
Speaker 13: excited for the community. This is something that they've wanted

1005
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:56,920
Speaker 13: to hear. They were both their mother Fletcher at one eleven,

1006
00:53:57,080 --> 00:53:59,280
Speaker 13: mother Randa at one ten to hear.

1007
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:02,719
Speaker 6: An actual city officials say yes, this was wrong and

1008
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:04,279
Speaker 6: we want to do things to fix this.

1009
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:07,280
Speaker 13: And we're still working with our mayor to talk about

1010
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:10,319
Speaker 13: exactly what that's going to mean for them as individuals.

1011
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 13: And I'm happy to report that the mayor is we're

1012
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 13: engaging those discussions as we move forward. And one thing

1013
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:17,960
Speaker 13: he stated, I don't know if you have it on

1014
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:20,280
Speaker 13: the clip, this is just a beginning. The one hundred

1015
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 13: and five million dollars is just the beginning that we

1016
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:24,319
Speaker 13: want to have in place by next year.

1017
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:26,440
Speaker 6: It's one hundred and fifth anniversary.

1018
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 13: And obviously our clients are one hundred or those two

1019
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:30,840
Speaker 13: clients are one hundred and ten hundred and eleven, so

1020
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:32,759
Speaker 13: we're not trying to make them wait a whole year,

1021
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:35,720
Speaker 13: so we're still working through but overall they were excited

1022
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:37,840
Speaker 13: and happy that this day they got to see this

1023
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:39,719
Speaker 13: day and hear with their own ears.

1024
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:43,759
Speaker 1: Jamorirow, I just want to first and foremost say thank you,

1025
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:49,880
Speaker 1: thank you for your tireless work, because you know, again,

1026
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:52,239
Speaker 1: there are so many heroes at this time that when

1027
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:54,280
Speaker 1: you tell the story of America, they should be included,

1028
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 1: and I count you among them, my brother.

1029
00:54:56,239 --> 00:54:59,840
Speaker 4: You have been so dedicated to this movement. That's how

1030
00:54:59,880 --> 00:55:00,399
Speaker 4: we met.

1031
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:04,279
Speaker 1: You and Angela have known each other for decades, but

1032
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:08,480
Speaker 1: you and I met in twenty twenty one. I believe

1033
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:12,400
Speaker 1: in Tulsa, and I was so fortunate to meet the

1034
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 1: survivors and rest in power to Uncle Red who was

1035
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:19,120
Speaker 1: also one of the survivors, the brother of Mother Fletcher,

1036
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:21,719
Speaker 1: who who unfortunately did not live to see this this day.

1037
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:25,759
Speaker 1: He passed away. And you're a descendant yourself, So I

1038
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:28,640
Speaker 1: just am in awe of you. And this is just

1039
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:30,440
Speaker 1: one case that you're working on. You have a lot

1040
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:32,239
Speaker 1: of cases. You are on the front lines of a

1041
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:34,800
Speaker 1: lot of civil rights battles. But what I love about

1042
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:40,120
Speaker 1: you is you are a revolutionary. You're radical, and you

1043
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 1: love black folks like you love yourself, and we just

1044
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 1: need more people like that. And he's an NLP listener

1045
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:49,320
Speaker 1: because he will text me and Angela like, hey on

1046
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:52,000
Speaker 1: this episode, here are my thoughts. So it's just an

1047
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 1: honor to have you here. My quick question is, and

1048
00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:57,880
Speaker 1: you kind of answered a little bit, but I'm just

1049
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:02,080
Speaker 1: curious how long before were mother Fletcher and Mother Randall

1050
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:05,120
Speaker 1: see dollars hit their accounts? And I asked this because

1051
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:07,480
Speaker 1: they're one hundred and ten and one hundred eleven. As

1052
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 1: you said, when they travel, they have an entire team

1053
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:12,600
Speaker 1: of people who travel with them. They have an entire

1054
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:15,640
Speaker 1: team of people who take care of them. You know,

1055
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:20,279
Speaker 1: my mother Fletcher is she's still very astute, but she

1056
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:23,560
Speaker 1: has her grandson and you know, caretakers and those things

1057
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 1: cost money.

1058
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1059
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 13: Well thanks a lot, Tiffany for that. And yes, I

1060
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:31,960
Speaker 13: just want to one clarification. I'm not actual a descendant,

1061
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:35,279
Speaker 13: Mia Is, my wife is a descendant. I'm a Black

1062
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:39,359
Speaker 13: Creek descendant. That's a whole Yeah, that's a whole other case.

1063
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 13: You know, we're hoping it happens really quickly. Here's the thing,

1064
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 13: and this is why I'm so excited to come on

1065
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:46,000
Speaker 13: this show outside of me just loving you guys and

1066
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:48,560
Speaker 13: loving the show, is the faster we can get money

1067
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:51,480
Speaker 13: into the trust, the faster money can be dispersed out.

1068
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:55,240
Speaker 13: And so right now, anybody that's listening can help contribute

1069
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:58,319
Speaker 13: to this trust. That's why it was brilliant the way

1070
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:00,240
Speaker 13: that was set up, and it's something that we wanted

1071
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:02,799
Speaker 13: to put forward with the mayor to open this up

1072
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:05,760
Speaker 13: not just to the city doing what's right, but inviting

1073
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:08,360
Speaker 13: people from all around the nation. So as soon as

1074
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:10,840
Speaker 13: we can get money into that trust, money can be dispersed.

1075
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:13,239
Speaker 13: And that's what we're working on right now because we

1076
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:15,880
Speaker 13: definitely want them to get what they're just do as

1077
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:16,720
Speaker 13: soon as possible.

1078
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:19,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, we don't know each other, a lot

1079
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:22,000
Speaker 5: of a lot of people in common. My best friend

1080
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 5: Chris Chestnut growing up. After I saw you make your

1081
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:31,080
Speaker 5: arguments in the State Supreme Court, which I thought you

1082
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 5: did a brilliant job. I watched from beginning to end,

1083
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 5: really hanging on y'all's words and on the words of

1084
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:39,840
Speaker 5: those on the opposite table of you to just hear

1085
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:44,680
Speaker 5: what the logic was and what defense would exist for

1086
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Speaker 5: such a really remarkable and I use that word not

1087
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:56,560
Speaker 5: with any sal positive salutation, but remarkable devastation to a community.

1088
00:57:56,840 --> 00:58:01,400
Speaker 5: And I appreciated the mayor saying could have been right,

1089
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:03,840
Speaker 5: because that's the part that got interrupted. We don't know

1090
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 5: how many descendant millionaires there could have been coming out

1091
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:11,760
Speaker 5: of Tulsa that got truncated. We don't know what those descendants,

1092
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:15,240
Speaker 5: descendants could have gone on to do and become in

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00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:18,440
Speaker 5: this country, in the world, because all of that got truncated.

1094
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:22,240
Speaker 5: And that's the real to me harm of what has

1095
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:27,320
Speaker 5: happened here, is the fact that so much opportunity, future opportunity,

1096
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:32,560
Speaker 5: unknown opportunity was extinguished, and that horrible tragedy as well.

1097
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:35,720
Speaker 5: I wanted to hear from you, just having listened to

1098
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:38,920
Speaker 5: those arguments made by the government, the Chamber of Commerce,

1099
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 5: all those other folks, what it meant to you personally

1100
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:46,400
Speaker 5: to hear the mayor, the first black mayor of Tulsa,

1101
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:51,080
Speaker 5: if I'm not mistaken, to get up and with the

1102
00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:53,960
Speaker 5: voice not just an individual but the power of the

1103
00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:57,959
Speaker 5: government behind him make the comments that he made.

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00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:00,920
Speaker 2: Was there feeling of.

1105
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:05,800
Speaker 5: Deeper level appreciation that we might not be getting on

1106
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:08,280
Speaker 5: the surface that it might mean to you and to

1107
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:12,360
Speaker 5: the survivors and the other descendants of the survivors to

1108
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:16,200
Speaker 5: have the government bring this thing full circle in some ways.

1109
00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:19,440
Speaker 13: Yes, we've been worklock working towards that for such a

1110
00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:21,480
Speaker 13: long time, and this is the first time that we're

1111
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:25,240
Speaker 13: not being actually fighting the government, and so that meant

1112
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:27,840
Speaker 13: a lot. I must admit, you know, I'm twenty five

1113
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:31,400
Speaker 13: plus years into this, and hearing those words, I felt

1114
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:35,040
Speaker 13: like a big boulder has just been removed from my shoulders.

1115
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:37,720
Speaker 13: Not I mean, I still understanding there's a lot of

1116
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:40,080
Speaker 13: work to do moving forward, but to know that we

1117
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:42,960
Speaker 13: have at least a willing partner at the City of Tulsa,

1118
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:44,480
Speaker 13: and again, we're gonna have to go through a lot.

1119
00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:45,920
Speaker 13: We got to get this thing set up, make sure

1120
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:48,280
Speaker 13: the right advisors, make sure it happens the way it

1121
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:50,960
Speaker 13: needs to happen. But man, I just feel like the

1122
00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:54,360
Speaker 13: vindication for all of the survivors and descendants who started

1123
00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:57,200
Speaker 13: first of all, you know, just for people who don't

1124
00:59:57,240 --> 00:59:59,920
Speaker 13: know they're over eleven thousand people that suffer the massacre,

1125
01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:02,560
Speaker 13: those over three thousand people that would disappear, never to

1126
01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:05,280
Speaker 13: be seen from again, and people started fighting and trying

1127
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:08,120
Speaker 13: to get justice. Days even doing the Masacre. We were

1128
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:10,320
Speaker 13: fighting so it not to happen. And so it like

1129
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:12,320
Speaker 13: vindicates all those people, all those.

1130
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Speaker 6: People I've worked with, the doctor, Professor Charles ogle Street,

1131
01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:17,400
Speaker 6: doctor John Hope Franklin, Attorney B. C.

1132
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:20,800
Speaker 13: Franklin represented Maxine don Ross Still of the Maxine Hornet,

1133
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:24,160
Speaker 13: so many people that have gotten to get to this point.

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01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:27,120
Speaker 6: I mean, I was really holding working hard to hold

1135
01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:31,479
Speaker 6: back my tears because it was just such a such

1136
01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:33,480
Speaker 6: validation that this work mattered.

1137
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:36,960
Speaker 13: One of my cousins, who is a descendant and also

1138
01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:38,680
Speaker 13: been in this work for a long time, he said,

1139
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:39,800
Speaker 13: now I just feel like someone.

1140
01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:42,360
Speaker 6: Gave my life back over the last twenty five years.

1141
01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:44,520
Speaker 6: It wasn't all in vain. And I think that's how

1142
01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:45,400
Speaker 6: we all feel.

1143
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:47,760
Speaker 13: And this is a victory, and particularly for it to

1144
01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:49,840
Speaker 13: happen in this time period that we're living in MAGA

1145
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:53,000
Speaker 13: two point zero, where anything black is criminalized and they're

1146
01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:54,560
Speaker 13: coming at us very very aggressively.

1147
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:56,680
Speaker 6: To see a black mayor stand up and say.

1148
01:00:56,600 --> 01:00:59,320
Speaker 13: I'm gonna do what's right, I would encourage anyone to

1149
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:01,800
Speaker 13: go and look at Mayor nichols actual speech. I think

1150
01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:04,000
Speaker 13: it's one of the best best speeches I ever heard,

1151
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:07,040
Speaker 13: And one of his lines is why should we do this?

1152
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:09,440
Speaker 13: One hundred and four years later, he says, simply because

1153
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:12,120
Speaker 13: it's the right and decent thing to do. And that's

1154
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:15,640
Speaker 13: such a powerful, powerful statement in this time period where

1155
01:01:15,640 --> 01:01:18,000
Speaker 13: we're living and seeing so many things that are that

1156
01:01:18,120 --> 01:01:21,000
Speaker 13: are not decent and it's unrighteous, that if we can

1157
01:01:21,120 --> 01:01:23,720
Speaker 13: just stand on the side of righteousness and decency, I

1158
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:25,960
Speaker 13: think we can make it out this terrible, terrible time.

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01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:30,320
Speaker 3: You know, I want to I want to come to

1160
01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:34,760
Speaker 3: you about this because I think it's important too. Sometimes

1161
01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:37,680
Speaker 3: we go in to demand things. Also shamed to Tip

1162
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:39,919
Speaker 3: for trying to make us sound like we AARP card

1163
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:42,240
Speaker 3: carry She said, y'all have known each other for a decade.

1164
01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:47,840
Speaker 6: I was like, whoa, I'm forty nine next week, so

1165
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:49,280
Speaker 6: I'm just embracing it career.

1166
01:01:54,760 --> 01:01:56,840
Speaker 3: But I want us to say this here. I think

1167
01:01:57,000 --> 01:02:00,200
Speaker 3: that it's important for people to understand that even you

1168
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:03,640
Speaker 3: have a list of demands and those demands haven't changed. Again,

1169
01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:08,760
Speaker 3: you didn't get everything that you wanted talk about some

1170
01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:12,160
Speaker 3: of the things that you're still pushing the local, state

1171
01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:14,720
Speaker 3: and the federal government to do. There was a DJ

1172
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:19,000
Speaker 3: report that came out before the Biden administration's tenure ended.

1173
01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:23,640
Speaker 3: You know that was okay, but wasn't as helpful as

1174
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:26,880
Speaker 3: was needed. Talk about some of what you are still

1175
01:02:27,360 --> 01:02:30,000
Speaker 3: requiring of the federal government, what you need from the

1176
01:02:30,080 --> 01:02:32,360
Speaker 3: state government, and which you are also going to continue

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01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:33,480
Speaker 3: to push Mayor Nichols to do.

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Speaker 13: Man, great question, Angela, as you know because you've been

1179
01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:38,920
Speaker 13: involved in this very step of the way. When we

1180
01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:43,120
Speaker 13: presented Project Greenwood to the mayor back in December, we

1181
01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:47,000
Speaker 13: have thirteen points that included victims, conversation, payment of all

1182
01:02:47,080 --> 01:02:50,520
Speaker 13: out standing claims, assortment of other things. Out of that,

1183
01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:54,400
Speaker 13: we've gotten about seven of those things, including a citywide holiday,

1184
01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:56,440
Speaker 13: which is something we have been pushing for for a

1185
01:02:56,560 --> 01:02:59,400
Speaker 13: very long time. And June first, when he made his announcements,

1186
01:02:59,440 --> 01:02:59,680
Speaker 13: when he.

1187
01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:02,520
Speaker 6: Made on the actual city holiday. So we got seven

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01:03:02,560 --> 01:03:05,480
Speaker 6: out of the thirteen things, so over half, and so

1189
01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:07,560
Speaker 6: you know, we got to be excited. We got to

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01:03:07,560 --> 01:03:08,200
Speaker 6: take the victories.

1191
01:03:08,200 --> 01:03:09,800
Speaker 13: I mean, we're going we go on one hundred and

1192
01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:12,120
Speaker 13: four years of no one hundred and four years of

1193
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:15,400
Speaker 13: not just no, hell no, obstacles oppositions. So we take

1194
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:18,200
Speaker 13: the victories, but we're still looking for, you know, making

1195
01:03:18,240 --> 01:03:21,400
Speaker 13: sure that the survivors get conversation into their pocket. We

1196
01:03:21,600 --> 01:03:24,880
Speaker 13: still want the outstanding claims that are still outstanding that

1197
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:27,080
Speaker 13: were denied by the city to county, the chamber, and

1198
01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:30,160
Speaker 13: the insurance companies that deny it claims, and the hundreds

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01:03:30,200 --> 01:03:32,600
Speaker 13: of millions of dollars that are still outstanding today according

1200
01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:33,640
Speaker 13: to the Brookings Institute.

1201
01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:35,080
Speaker 6: We want those to be paid.

1202
01:03:35,560 --> 01:03:38,640
Speaker 13: We want a hospital built in Greenwood because there was

1203
01:03:38,640 --> 01:03:39,320
Speaker 13: a hospital at.

1204
01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:41,400
Speaker 6: The time of the mascot that was destroyed. We still

1205
01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:42,240
Speaker 6: want those things.

1206
01:03:42,320 --> 01:03:47,000
Speaker 13: We still want an actual criminal investigation to hold those responsible.

1207
01:03:47,040 --> 01:03:48,200
Speaker 13: So those are things that we're going to still be

1208
01:03:48,280 --> 01:03:51,160
Speaker 13: working towards. On the local level, we still think that

1209
01:03:51,240 --> 01:03:54,160
Speaker 13: there should be tax abatement. We think that those descendants

1210
01:03:54,200 --> 01:03:56,600
Speaker 13: who have been paying taxes to the city and the

1211
01:03:56,680 --> 01:03:58,520
Speaker 13: county and the state for one hundred and four years,

1212
01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:01,720
Speaker 13: when they're actually old money, there should be a taxabamy

1213
01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:04,360
Speaker 13: immunity for the same amount of time period that they've

1214
01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:06,480
Speaker 13: been paying in These are things we're going to continue

1215
01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:07,200
Speaker 13: to be pushing for.

1216
01:04:08,040 --> 01:04:10,520
Speaker 6: At the local level. One of the things that I

1217
01:04:10,560 --> 01:04:11,880
Speaker 6: don't know if it's been clear.

1218
01:04:12,040 --> 01:04:15,480
Speaker 13: We've been fighting in litigation for over forty five thousand

1219
01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:18,320
Speaker 13: records related to the massacre and the continuing arm that

1220
01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:22,040
Speaker 13: also was released on June first, and as we get

1221
01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:23,840
Speaker 13: into those records, we're going to figure out what else

1222
01:04:23,960 --> 01:04:26,480
Speaker 13: is going on that's at the local and the state level.

1223
01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:28,880
Speaker 6: At the federal level, I mean, we've been working.

1224
01:04:28,680 --> 01:04:32,360
Speaker 13: Very very closely with many of our supporters there, obviously

1225
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:36,160
Speaker 13: starting first with Representative Anti Maxine Waters, who's been on

1226
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:36,840
Speaker 13: this with us for.

1227
01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:38,320
Speaker 6: Over twenty five plus years.

1228
01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:41,840
Speaker 13: And then we worked real closely with Representative the late

1229
01:04:41,880 --> 01:04:43,680
Speaker 13: great Representative Shila Jackson.

1230
01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:46,040
Speaker 6: Lee before she passed. Her son was.

1231
01:04:46,040 --> 01:04:48,680
Speaker 13: Actually in town on the first we gave her an award.

1232
01:04:50,080 --> 01:04:52,640
Speaker 13: But now we're working really closely with our dear brother,

1233
01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:56,880
Speaker 13: Representive Our Green, who most of us now know as

1234
01:04:56,960 --> 01:05:00,120
Speaker 13: the man who stood up and defiantly said, hey, you

1235
01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:03,080
Speaker 13: can I cut this medicaid from these poor people. Well,

1236
01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:05,040
Speaker 13: Al Green has been someone that's been working with us

1237
01:05:05,360 --> 01:05:08,040
Speaker 13: behind the scenes, and I'm happy to report that we're

1238
01:05:08,040 --> 01:05:13,320
Speaker 13: working on some federal legislation specifically to benefit the actual survivors, and.

1239
01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:15,439
Speaker 6: That will be coming to the forefront very very soon.

1240
01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:18,280
Speaker 13: So this issue is not over with. It's just that

1241
01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:21,920
Speaker 13: we have great momentum. We have great partners and the

1242
01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:23,840
Speaker 13: speak of the partners. We couldn't have got here without

1243
01:05:23,880 --> 01:05:27,480
Speaker 13: so many community, community groups and national partners.

1244
01:05:27,960 --> 01:05:29,640
Speaker 6: Tifficanally said, we mad twenty twenty one.

1245
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:33,880
Speaker 13: When we were everyone wanted to interview the survivors, and

1246
01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:36,800
Speaker 13: we were very protective of them.

1247
01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:37,640
Speaker 6: Right it's COVID.

1248
01:05:37,880 --> 01:05:39,480
Speaker 13: We didn't want We didn't know who needs to talk

1249
01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:43,040
Speaker 13: to them. I told NBC, I said, I only an

1250
01:05:43,080 --> 01:05:45,320
Speaker 13: interview with two people. Joy reed of Tiffany.

1251
01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:48,600
Speaker 6: Cross, and I think that's important that that's how we

1252
01:05:48,640 --> 01:05:49,000
Speaker 6: need to do.

1253
01:05:49,080 --> 01:05:53,040
Speaker 13: We need to leverage our power when this opportunity and

1254
01:05:53,160 --> 01:05:56,320
Speaker 13: from that she was everything that we thought she would

1255
01:05:56,320 --> 01:05:59,760
Speaker 13: be in much more. From that, this relationship and this

1256
01:05:59,840 --> 01:06:02,600
Speaker 13: free ship has blossomed, and we continue to just get

1257
01:06:02,720 --> 01:06:04,600
Speaker 13: more and more. So, Andrew, I'm gonna consider you a

1258
01:06:04,680 --> 01:06:08,320
Speaker 13: part of just agreeing with family now. Tiffany and Angel

1259
01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:10,520
Speaker 13: let you know in your episode when you talked about

1260
01:06:10,680 --> 01:06:12,720
Speaker 13: early on what you went through, Man, it touched me

1261
01:06:13,200 --> 01:06:14,960
Speaker 13: so much. It was one of the most powerful things

1262
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:17,880
Speaker 13: I heard. How vulnerable you were and how real you were,

1263
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:20,520
Speaker 13: so I appreciate you, brother, I don't always appreciate it all.

1264
01:06:20,520 --> 01:06:22,000
Speaker 6: I don't always agree with all your positions.

1265
01:06:22,080 --> 01:06:26,200
Speaker 5: I appreciate you so good with Tiffany and Angel in

1266
01:06:26,240 --> 01:06:26,880
Speaker 5: your text.

1267
01:06:28,840 --> 01:06:30,680
Speaker 13: And one day you know, I've still suffer. I had

1268
01:06:30,720 --> 01:06:33,320
Speaker 13: speech impediment growing up, and I still suffer with my words.

1269
01:06:33,360 --> 01:06:35,480
Speaker 13: I want to be as clear of my diction as

1270
01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:36,360
Speaker 13: you are all the time.

1271
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:37,360
Speaker 6: I'm very impressed with.

1272
01:06:39,160 --> 01:06:40,360
Speaker 5: Really beautifully.

1273
01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:48,440
Speaker 3: But so he might mispronounce it, but you it was

1274
01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:52,000
Speaker 3: definitely articulated clear. I said.

1275
01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:53,480
Speaker 6: I wish I could talk.

1276
01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:54,520
Speaker 8: Like that too.

1277
01:06:55,840 --> 01:06:58,680
Speaker 1: I just I want to ask you because we're at

1278
01:06:58,720 --> 01:07:01,440
Speaker 1: a time I'm feeling a bit hopeless, which I've talked about.

1279
01:07:01,760 --> 01:07:04,600
Speaker 1: And before you joined us, we were talking about that

1280
01:07:04,680 --> 01:07:07,520
Speaker 1: whiteness remains undefeated, you know, and I was making the

1281
01:07:07,560 --> 01:07:09,560
Speaker 1: point in this last election, if every black person voted,

1282
01:07:09,560 --> 01:07:13,080
Speaker 1: it wouldn't have been enough to outdo whiteness. And because

1283
01:07:13,120 --> 01:07:15,200
Speaker 1: you have said, you say that you you know, want

1284
01:07:15,240 --> 01:07:17,560
Speaker 1: to be like Andrew and how he speaks. But I

1285
01:07:17,680 --> 01:07:20,560
Speaker 1: think the things that you say. And we've become friends.

1286
01:07:20,600 --> 01:07:23,920
Speaker 1: I'm friends with Mia, your lovely wife, who's a newswoman.

1287
01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:28,000
Speaker 1: So please give me and mia our love. But I'm

1288
01:07:28,040 --> 01:07:31,200
Speaker 1: just curious your thoughts right now. I love listening to

1289
01:07:31,280 --> 01:07:34,640
Speaker 1: your positions on things. And so yeah, just as you

1290
01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:37,200
Speaker 1: look at what's happening, we got this one win, which

1291
01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:40,560
Speaker 1: makes it that does give us some hope and gratitude.

1292
01:07:41,040 --> 01:07:44,520
Speaker 1: But as you look out on the country, I don't know,

1293
01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:46,840
Speaker 1: what do you think? You how do you feel these days?

1294
01:07:47,600 --> 01:07:50,480
Speaker 13: Well, I would say this, If whiteness is undefeated, blackness

1295
01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:52,520
Speaker 13: is too because we're still there, demit.

1296
01:07:53,040 --> 01:07:55,720
Speaker 6: You know, in nineteen twenty one they stated goal was

1297
01:07:55,760 --> 01:07:58,640
Speaker 6: to run the Negro out of Tulsa, and we're still here.

1298
01:07:58,800 --> 01:07:59,520
Speaker 6: The state of goal.

1299
01:07:59,480 --> 01:08:01,720
Speaker 13: Since we've been here in this country is to extract

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01:08:01,800 --> 01:08:04,000
Speaker 13: all our labor and get rid of us. Yet we're

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01:08:04,040 --> 01:08:06,560
Speaker 13: still here. This is a difficult, terrible time. It's a

1302
01:08:06,680 --> 01:08:09,400
Speaker 13: dangerous time. It's a time that's pretty unprecedent, even for

1303
01:08:09,520 --> 01:08:12,520
Speaker 13: black folks. We have a federal government in our lifetimes

1304
01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:15,320
Speaker 13: that is not only just attacking us, but.

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01:08:15,520 --> 01:08:16,639
Speaker 6: Just openly corrupt.

1306
01:08:17,280 --> 01:08:19,439
Speaker 13: And so while we have despair, and hey man, I

1307
01:08:19,520 --> 01:08:21,880
Speaker 13: have had many nights of despair and depression and figuring

1308
01:08:21,920 --> 01:08:23,800
Speaker 13: out where I need to move to, But we have

1309
01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:26,360
Speaker 13: to stay in the fight, stand in the fight, stay focused,

1310
01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:27,799
Speaker 13: continue to have community.

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01:08:27,840 --> 01:08:29,920
Speaker 6: That's why I'm so proud to be a part of

1312
01:08:29,960 --> 01:08:31,960
Speaker 6: the State of the Tour. Stay of the People tour

1313
01:08:32,760 --> 01:08:33,320
Speaker 6: that you are in.

1314
01:08:33,400 --> 01:08:36,440
Speaker 13: Angela's leading, just getting people galvanized and organized.

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01:08:36,800 --> 01:08:38,920
Speaker 6: But understand that we're going to This is a long road.

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01:08:39,200 --> 01:08:41,840
Speaker 6: But listen, man, we've been through a lot as a people.

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01:08:42,439 --> 01:08:45,400
Speaker 13: We've been through enslavement, We've been through Jim Crow, We've

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01:08:45,400 --> 01:08:48,320
Speaker 13: been through red lining. The Tulsa massacre was just one

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01:08:48,360 --> 01:08:51,280
Speaker 13: of hundreds. The only thing that makes it unique is

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01:08:51,320 --> 01:08:53,760
Speaker 13: the side, scope and scale of it. So we have

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01:08:53,880 --> 01:08:56,080
Speaker 13: to be very clear headed and understand. And what I'd

1322
01:08:56,120 --> 01:08:58,479
Speaker 13: like to say is, like the people, we look at Greenwood,

1323
01:08:58,479 --> 01:09:00,160
Speaker 13: we look at the massacre, but let's talk about what

1324
01:09:00,320 --> 01:09:03,760
Speaker 13: created Greenwood, and I call it to think Greenwood principles,

1325
01:09:04,160 --> 01:09:06,559
Speaker 13: and if we practice them as a community, I think

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01:09:06,600 --> 01:09:08,880
Speaker 13: we can overcome. And first of all, it's community love.

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01:09:09,439 --> 01:09:11,679
Speaker 13: That was the first principal of Greenwood. The second one

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01:09:11,960 --> 01:09:15,640
Speaker 13: was self determination. The third was ownership and not just

1329
01:09:15,760 --> 01:09:19,360
Speaker 13: ownership of things and land, but ownership of ourselves, ownership

1330
01:09:19,439 --> 01:09:21,760
Speaker 13: of our community, ownership of our own mentality.

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01:09:22,240 --> 01:09:24,320
Speaker 6: And then fourth was education and wealth.

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01:09:24,160 --> 01:09:26,880
Speaker 13: Concentration, not the fact because a lot of people like

1333
01:09:26,920 --> 01:09:30,000
Speaker 13: to talk about Greenwood because of the economics and Black

1334
01:09:30,080 --> 01:09:32,320
Speaker 13: Wall Street. I'm not talking about that. When I say

1335
01:09:32,439 --> 01:09:36,160
Speaker 13: education and wealth concentration, I'm talking about cooperative economics. I'm

1336
01:09:36,160 --> 01:09:38,600
Speaker 13: talking about working together and saying we're gonna build for

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01:09:38,760 --> 01:09:40,759
Speaker 13: ourselves so we can all prosper.

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01:09:40,920 --> 01:09:42,680
Speaker 6: We don't have to all be millionaires. We don't all

1339
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:43,760
Speaker 6: need to be millionaires.

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Speaker 13: And fifth, and I think to really go to your

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01:09:45,960 --> 01:09:48,880
Speaker 13: question right now, Tiffany, the fifth principle.

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01:09:48,479 --> 01:09:51,160
Speaker 6: Of think Greenwood, it's willful resilience.

1343
01:09:51,760 --> 01:09:54,439
Speaker 13: Wilful resilience doesn't mean we're not gonna get tired, doesn't

1344
01:09:54,479 --> 01:09:57,360
Speaker 13: mean we're gonna feel despair, doesn't mean we're not gonna

1345
01:09:57,360 --> 01:09:59,880
Speaker 13: have defeats. But we're gonna have wilful resilience. And to

1346
01:10:00,120 --> 01:10:02,479
Speaker 13: have that willful resilience, we've got to keep our eye

1347
01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:04,840
Speaker 13: on the prize, on what we're trying to accomplish, and

1348
01:10:05,040 --> 01:10:07,599
Speaker 13: also take care of ourselves. Make sure we're getting proper resk.

1349
01:10:07,720 --> 01:10:10,080
Speaker 13: How many times I'm sending you to Angela, are you

1350
01:10:10,160 --> 01:10:12,400
Speaker 13: getting some resk? Are you drinking your water? Are you

1351
01:10:12,560 --> 01:10:16,000
Speaker 13: are you deconnecting? Because I'm preaching that you to myself

1352
01:10:16,439 --> 01:10:19,040
Speaker 13: because I struggle with that too, because I feel that grind.

1353
01:10:19,400 --> 01:10:21,719
Speaker 13: But if I'm not well and healthy, then my family

1354
01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:24,920
Speaker 13: won't be well and healthy, my neighborhood, my community, and

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01:10:25,040 --> 01:10:25,759
Speaker 13: so forth.

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Speaker 3: And so on. A word every time, every time I

1357
01:10:31,760 --> 01:10:35,200
Speaker 3: was going to ask you to d You know, we're

1358
01:10:35,240 --> 01:10:39,080
Speaker 3: living in this era now where banned books is the norm.

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01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:42,080
Speaker 3: On the tour, we've given away so many banned books,

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01:10:42,200 --> 01:10:44,320
Speaker 3: and we were at the same time folks are fighting

1361
01:10:44,360 --> 01:10:48,120
Speaker 3: about history being accurately reflected in textbooks and classrooms, but

1362
01:10:48,200 --> 01:10:51,679
Speaker 3: also on the National Park Services site for the federal government,

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01:10:52,840 --> 01:10:57,240
Speaker 3: before they were proactively banning books, they were still at

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01:10:57,320 --> 01:11:02,280
Speaker 3: least banning history. Read the Tulsa history in some of

1365
01:11:02,360 --> 01:11:04,880
Speaker 3: your own textbooks. Can you please tell our audience do

1366
01:11:05,080 --> 01:11:08,519
Speaker 3: when you first learned about the Tulsa Race massacre, how

1367
01:11:08,600 --> 01:11:10,840
Speaker 3: old you were, where you were, and how that is

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01:11:10,880 --> 01:11:14,840
Speaker 3: a similar experience for so many, too many students in Tulsa, no.

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Speaker 6: Question about it.

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Speaker 13: You know, I went to school in middle school, Cover

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01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:20,160
Speaker 13: middle School right on Greenwood Avenue, went to a great

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Speaker 13: booker to Washington High School, which is a pride of

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01:11:22,080 --> 01:11:24,759
Speaker 13: Greenwood and North Tulsa. And I didn't learn anything about

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Speaker 13: the massacre too. I was sitting in intro to African

1375
01:11:27,160 --> 01:11:30,360
Speaker 13: American Studies class and I was a football play at Universal, Oklahoma.

1376
01:11:30,360 --> 01:11:32,439
Speaker 13: I'm just in the class trying to chill, and the

1377
01:11:32,479 --> 01:11:35,160
Speaker 13: professor started talking about Tulsa and the massacre. They called

1378
01:11:35,160 --> 01:11:38,160
Speaker 13: it riot at the time, and I was like, Nah,

1379
01:11:38,240 --> 01:11:40,120
Speaker 13: that's not accurate. I raised my hands in man, I'm

1380
01:11:40,120 --> 01:11:42,760
Speaker 13: from North Tulsa. That's not true. And obviously I was wrong.

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01:11:42,840 --> 01:11:45,960
Speaker 13: That was nineteen ninety seven. I was twenty two, twenty one.

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01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:48,280
Speaker 6: Twenty two years old before I heard about it, and

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01:11:48,360 --> 01:11:50,960
Speaker 6: it changed my life. It changed my life. I was

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01:11:51,040 --> 01:11:53,439
Speaker 6: so embarrassed. I couldn't believe I had a degree my

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01:11:53,560 --> 01:11:54,719
Speaker 6: socials degrees in history.

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01:11:55,200 --> 01:11:56,880
Speaker 13: I have a social degree in history and now I'm

1387
01:11:57,400 --> 01:11:59,040
Speaker 13: not at a four year school playing ball, and I

1388
01:11:59,080 --> 01:12:02,360
Speaker 13: didn't know my own history, of my own backyard, and that.

1389
01:12:02,479 --> 01:12:03,120
Speaker 6: Changed my life.

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01:12:03,160 --> 01:12:05,800
Speaker 13: Ever since that day, I've been passionate and pretty much

1391
01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:08,439
Speaker 13: some people stay obsessed who and making sure that we

1392
01:12:08,680 --> 01:12:11,880
Speaker 13: educate about not just the massacre though, but Greenwood as

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01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:15,960
Speaker 13: a whole, and then also advocate for justice and reparations.

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Speaker 3: I think it's so powerful for people to hear that,

1395
01:12:20,120 --> 01:12:23,439
Speaker 3: because one, I don't want them to be ashamed that

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01:12:23,760 --> 01:12:29,200
Speaker 3: professor d altered the trajectory of your life's purpose and mission.

1397
01:12:29,320 --> 01:12:31,599
Speaker 3: And even though it was late, it wasn't too late.

1398
01:12:31,840 --> 01:12:34,599
Speaker 3: It was actually right on time. And I think it's

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01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:36,680
Speaker 3: important for our folks to know whether you get the

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01:12:36,840 --> 01:12:40,720
Speaker 3: experience of learning our history as it should be told

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01:12:40,760 --> 01:12:42,800
Speaker 3: in the history book, or you learn it at home,

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01:12:42,840 --> 01:12:44,680
Speaker 3: which is what I had. That is the privilege I have.

1403
01:12:45,040 --> 01:12:47,679
Speaker 3: Often think about privilege as a spectrum. I have black

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01:12:47,800 --> 01:12:49,439
Speaker 3: art on the walls and black books on the shelves

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01:12:49,479 --> 01:12:51,560
Speaker 3: because my parents didn't play about that. But that's not

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01:12:51,680 --> 01:12:55,800
Speaker 3: everybody's truth. Everybody can't even afford that. So what else

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01:12:55,840 --> 01:12:59,400
Speaker 3: are you all doing, especially about ensuring that this generation

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01:12:59,680 --> 01:13:04,000
Speaker 3: of you Tulson's folks that are at least tangentially associated

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01:13:04,040 --> 01:13:06,640
Speaker 3: with Greenwood never forget because they won't have to.

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Speaker 6: Well, first of all, that's why the holiday was so important.

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Speaker 13: I don't believe holidays and up themselves is enough preparatory justice,

1412
01:13:14,080 --> 01:13:15,680
Speaker 13: but it was important to make sure that.

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01:13:15,720 --> 01:13:18,200
Speaker 6: This history was never erased. For eighty years, the city

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01:13:18,240 --> 01:13:20,439
Speaker 6: of Tulsa denied that the masks even happened.

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01:13:20,439 --> 01:13:22,800
Speaker 13: Now we have an actual official city holiday that's going

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01:13:22,840 --> 01:13:25,080
Speaker 13: to be celebrated every year. So that's one thing we're doing.

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01:13:25,439 --> 01:13:27,599
Speaker 13: And then Justice for Greenwoo for all those who want

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01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:30,600
Speaker 13: to connect with our work. At Justicefgreenwood dot org. We

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01:13:30,720 --> 01:13:34,280
Speaker 13: have a whole genealogy department. We have five outstanding genealogists,

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01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:37,200
Speaker 13: and today we have a descended community, the largest in

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01:13:37,280 --> 01:13:39,760
Speaker 13: the nation, of almost a thousand people. We've done the

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01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:42,600
Speaker 13: genealogy for almost three hundred of those individuals where we

1423
01:13:42,760 --> 01:13:44,760
Speaker 13: concertify what we call chronicle.

1424
01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:46,000
Speaker 6: That they are who they say they are.

1425
01:13:46,360 --> 01:13:49,800
Speaker 13: We've done oil histories of over seventy of these individuals

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Speaker 13: and we're going to be having an archive and putting

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01:13:52,280 --> 01:13:54,680
Speaker 13: forth those ore histories so they're there and that's an

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01:13:54,800 --> 01:13:57,880
Speaker 13: ongoing process. And every time someone does an or history

1429
01:13:57,920 --> 01:13:59,880
Speaker 13: with us, we give them a five hundred dollars honor

1430
01:14:00,320 --> 01:14:03,439
Speaker 13: for their time and for them participating in their own liberation.

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01:14:03,960 --> 01:14:05,679
Speaker 6: And so those are some of the things that we're

1432
01:14:05,760 --> 01:14:08,000
Speaker 6: doing and we're just looking forward to continue to connect.

1433
01:14:08,320 --> 01:14:11,679
Speaker 13: If you think you may be a Tulsa, a Greenwood descendant,

1434
01:14:12,160 --> 01:14:14,160
Speaker 13: just give us a call, go to Justice Free God

1435
01:14:14,400 --> 01:14:17,960
Speaker 13: or our genealogist is completely free. We also work very

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01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:20,759
Speaker 13: closely with our Black Indians who helped build Greenwood, particularly

1437
01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:23,080
Speaker 13: the Black Creek Indians, which I am one who helped

1438
01:14:23,120 --> 01:14:26,120
Speaker 13: build Greenwood, to do that genealogy and just bringing this

1439
01:14:26,280 --> 01:14:29,080
Speaker 13: history to the forefront, because without the Black Indians, there

1440
01:14:29,160 --> 01:14:31,800
Speaker 13: is no Greenwood. And if you don't have justice for

1441
01:14:31,880 --> 01:14:33,800
Speaker 13: the Black Indians, there is no justice for Black green

1442
01:14:34,200 --> 01:14:36,560
Speaker 13: for Greenwood. And I will say we do have a

1443
01:14:36,640 --> 01:14:39,200
Speaker 13: Supreme Court hearing in the Moscoia Creek Nation coming up

1444
01:14:39,240 --> 01:14:39,920
Speaker 13: on June tenth.

1445
01:14:40,400 --> 01:14:42,880
Speaker 6: We beat them back two years ago and they're ap.

1446
01:14:42,840 --> 01:14:45,799
Speaker 13: Pilling this and if we are successful, over one hundred

1447
01:14:45,880 --> 01:14:49,600
Speaker 13: thousand black people who are Creek ancestry, we'll have citizenship

1448
01:14:49,640 --> 01:14:50,679
Speaker 13: rights within the Creek Nation.

1449
01:14:51,600 --> 01:14:53,840
Speaker 6: Not on ely would they regain their heritage and their

1450
01:14:53,880 --> 01:14:54,880
Speaker 6: birth right who they are.

1451
01:14:55,080 --> 01:14:57,639
Speaker 13: But they have access to life alter and life saving

1452
01:14:57,760 --> 01:15:02,360
Speaker 13: resources like healthcare, educations, allarships, housing, childcare, et cetera. So

1453
01:15:02,479 --> 01:15:04,840
Speaker 13: you guys be praying for us on June tenth as

1454
01:15:04,880 --> 01:15:06,720
Speaker 13: we bring that justice for Black Creeks. As a part

1455
01:15:06,720 --> 01:15:08,880
Speaker 13: about justice for Greenwood work, we.

1456
01:15:09,160 --> 01:15:11,280
Speaker 1: Have to have you back because that the case that

1457
01:15:11,520 --> 01:15:15,120
Speaker 1: you have with the Black Creeks is fascinating, and that

1458
01:15:15,280 --> 01:15:18,160
Speaker 1: was a history I didn't know. I obviously knew there

1459
01:15:18,200 --> 01:15:21,439
Speaker 1: were black Indians, but I didn't know the specifics around

1460
01:15:21,479 --> 01:15:23,760
Speaker 1: what happened with the black creeks in Oklahoma.

1461
01:15:24,360 --> 01:15:25,920
Speaker 4: I would love to have you back talk about that.

1462
01:15:26,120 --> 01:15:28,840
Speaker 3: I'd love to do it, Mario. I know you gotta go,

1463
01:15:29,000 --> 01:15:31,400
Speaker 3: But before you go, unless Andrew has something.

1464
01:15:31,880 --> 01:15:33,400
Speaker 5: No, because I'm watching the clock, and.

1465
01:15:36,040 --> 01:15:38,639
Speaker 3: Very quick, because you've made me lay to a meeting

1466
01:15:38,720 --> 01:15:45,639
Speaker 3: before too. Of course, I just this is my brother, y'all.

1467
01:15:45,920 --> 01:15:48,599
Speaker 3: I just got to ask you this really quick. Mayor

1468
01:15:48,720 --> 01:15:53,040
Speaker 3: Nichols stood ten toes down in his courage. And there

1469
01:15:53,080 --> 01:15:56,360
Speaker 3: are other elected officials who find themselves now or they

1470
01:15:56,439 --> 01:16:00,800
Speaker 3: may soon, in similarly situated positions. What advice do you

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01:16:00,960 --> 01:16:05,040
Speaker 3: have for them around, you know, making a community hall

1472
01:16:05,080 --> 01:16:10,280
Speaker 3: after race massacre, making a community hall after you know, slavery,

1473
01:16:10,600 --> 01:16:13,960
Speaker 3: making a committee a community hall around redlining. Whatever the

1474
01:16:14,200 --> 01:16:17,080
Speaker 3: local impact or the state base or the national impact

1475
01:16:17,120 --> 01:16:18,720
Speaker 3: has been, what advice do you have for them?

1476
01:16:19,160 --> 01:16:24,040
Speaker 13: Act act at Bowld leads back courageously do and I

1477
01:16:24,080 --> 01:16:25,280
Speaker 13: would go back to Mayor Nichols.

1478
01:16:25,360 --> 01:16:27,360
Speaker 6: Do the right and decent thing, listen.

1479
01:16:27,720 --> 01:16:30,639
Speaker 13: I know, brother reus Morgan at a lot of flak

1480
01:16:30,720 --> 01:16:33,560
Speaker 13: because he's you know, he vetold a study.

1481
01:16:33,600 --> 01:16:35,160
Speaker 6: I'm on the I'm in the in the in the

1482
01:16:35,280 --> 01:16:38,160
Speaker 6: camp of we don't need very many more studies. Act,

1483
01:16:38,960 --> 01:16:41,080
Speaker 6: bring legislation. Do what Mayor Nichols did.

1484
01:16:41,240 --> 01:16:44,960
Speaker 13: He acted upon actual recommendations that came from the people

1485
01:16:45,040 --> 01:16:45,599
Speaker 13: on the ground.

1486
01:16:45,680 --> 01:16:49,360
Speaker 6: So go, if you elected an official, deal with the people.

1487
01:16:49,200 --> 01:16:52,000
Speaker 13: On the ground that the actual experts, bring them in,

1488
01:16:52,439 --> 01:16:54,240
Speaker 13: let them know what you can do, and then do

1489
01:16:54,360 --> 01:16:56,799
Speaker 13: what you can. Like you said, Angela, we had thirteen

1490
01:16:56,840 --> 01:16:57,880
Speaker 13: points we wanted to see happened.

1491
01:16:57,920 --> 01:16:59,920
Speaker 6: We didn't get all thirteen. There were some things that

1492
01:17:00,040 --> 01:17:01,800
Speaker 6: at the mayor at this point just maybe he can

1493
01:17:01,960 --> 01:17:04,080
Speaker 6: get done. Okay, fine, that's work.

1494
01:17:03,960 --> 01:17:04,519
Speaker 3: What we can do.

1495
01:17:04,680 --> 01:17:07,000
Speaker 13: So do what you can if you elected official, do

1496
01:17:07,120 --> 01:17:08,720
Speaker 13: what you can. One thing that we see with the

1497
01:17:08,760 --> 01:17:11,280
Speaker 13: Trump administration and Republicans in general that you.

1498
01:17:11,360 --> 01:17:15,920
Speaker 6: Have to respect. They exercise the power when they get it.

1499
01:17:16,320 --> 01:17:19,240
Speaker 13: They take care of their people. They don't say, well, hey,

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01:17:19,360 --> 01:17:20,960
Speaker 13: I don't know how this is going to work out.

1501
01:17:21,080 --> 01:17:21,680
Speaker 4: They do it.

1502
01:17:22,080 --> 01:17:22,880
Speaker 6: And that's what we need.

1503
01:17:22,920 --> 01:17:24,840
Speaker 13: The people on our side, be it the people on

1504
01:17:24,960 --> 01:17:27,719
Speaker 13: the progressive side or it's the so quote unquote left

1505
01:17:28,120 --> 01:17:30,679
Speaker 13: or black elected of leaders, because as the one sister

1506
01:17:30,720 --> 01:17:33,320
Speaker 13: said in the commisment speaks, black faces and high spaces

1507
01:17:33,400 --> 01:17:36,960
Speaker 13: won't save us, especially if they're not actually using their power.

1508
01:17:37,479 --> 01:17:40,519
Speaker 6: So my deal is just act, be courageous, and do

1509
01:17:40,720 --> 01:17:41,880
Speaker 6: the good and decent thing.

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01:17:42,840 --> 01:17:45,920
Speaker 5: I love that. Man. Thank you your gift, your gift

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01:17:46,040 --> 01:17:48,680
Speaker 5: not to just the folks in Oklahoma, your gift to

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01:17:48,720 --> 01:17:49,120
Speaker 5: all of us.

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01:17:49,200 --> 01:17:49,360
Speaker 9: Man.

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01:17:49,640 --> 01:17:50,439
Speaker 6: Oh, I appreciate you.

1515
01:17:50,880 --> 01:17:53,080
Speaker 3: And Tippy does have dogs? Where your dogs at?

1516
01:17:53,120 --> 01:17:53,240
Speaker 7: Oh?

1517
01:17:53,280 --> 01:17:54,559
Speaker 4: I know all about the dogs.

1518
01:17:54,680 --> 01:17:55,400
Speaker 3: You already know.

1519
01:17:55,880 --> 01:17:58,519
Speaker 13: I know me A's babies, and yeah, I'll put them

1520
01:17:58,560 --> 01:17:59,800
Speaker 13: over because I didn't want to get in trouble with

1521
01:17:59,800 --> 01:18:01,080
Speaker 13: the pot folks.

1522
01:18:01,160 --> 01:18:02,360
Speaker 6: They started barking and whatnot.

1523
01:18:02,600 --> 01:18:07,320
Speaker 5: No to the show conducted with them.

1524
01:18:08,600 --> 01:18:11,479
Speaker 3: We had a big gretch on here. Gretchen Whitmer, she

1525
01:18:11,600 --> 01:18:13,640
Speaker 3: had dogs. She made Tip made a lifted that five

1526
01:18:13,760 --> 01:18:15,680
Speaker 3: hundred pounds. You have to see the dog. So I

1527
01:18:15,840 --> 01:18:18,160
Speaker 3: just was gonna see if you have show she loved

1528
01:18:18,160 --> 01:18:18,360
Speaker 3: to make.

1529
01:18:18,439 --> 01:18:20,240
Speaker 13: But she gets all type of pictures all the time

1530
01:18:20,320 --> 01:18:22,519
Speaker 13: like her and me and talk all the time. So yeah,

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01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:25,200
Speaker 13: well listen, I'm looking forward to seeing you all in

1532
01:18:25,520 --> 01:18:28,200
Speaker 13: Baltimore and connecting with you guys.

1533
01:18:28,000 --> 01:18:29,879
Speaker 6: Because I'll be done with a lot of this litigation

1534
01:18:30,040 --> 01:18:32,360
Speaker 6: my birthday, Like I said, June fifteenth, forty.

1535
01:18:32,240 --> 01:18:34,599
Speaker 2: Nine, Happy birthday, Baltimore.

1536
01:18:34,600 --> 01:18:36,160
Speaker 6: I appreciate that I'd be there.

1537
01:18:36,320 --> 01:18:38,280
Speaker 3: Listen, Yeah, you gotta do a panic. I told you

1538
01:18:38,360 --> 01:18:40,000
Speaker 3: you got to reach out to may Or Nicolas. See

1539
01:18:40,000 --> 01:18:42,439
Speaker 3: can he come. I'll certainly do this as the elected

1540
01:18:42,439 --> 01:18:44,559
Speaker 3: officials need to hear from him on what it took

1541
01:18:44,760 --> 01:18:46,680
Speaker 3: and what his next because this ain't the in this

1542
01:18:46,800 --> 01:18:49,160
Speaker 3: is the beginning, as he said, and as you said, Yeah.

1543
01:18:49,400 --> 01:18:51,200
Speaker 13: Angela, you were at one of those meetings, and you

1544
01:18:51,320 --> 01:18:53,519
Speaker 13: know we talked to him about, hey, he could really

1545
01:18:53,560 --> 01:18:54,519
Speaker 13: be a trend set of here.

1546
01:18:55,080 --> 01:18:57,040
Speaker 6: And I think this is a model you know Greenwood,

1547
01:18:57,040 --> 01:18:58,080
Speaker 6: And I know I got a jump.

1548
01:18:57,920 --> 01:18:59,760
Speaker 3: But Greenwood was a this on you.

1549
01:19:00,720 --> 01:19:04,320
Speaker 6: Greenwood was a national model for Black America, for black people.

1550
01:19:05,439 --> 01:19:08,080
Speaker 13: What we're doing now Greenwood would be the national model

1551
01:19:08,360 --> 01:19:11,040
Speaker 13: for cities around this country or how to repair the harm.

1552
01:19:11,360 --> 01:19:13,920
Speaker 13: We have a particular formula that I'm looking forward to

1553
01:19:13,960 --> 01:19:16,240
Speaker 13: share it with those when we come to Baltimore. How

1554
01:19:16,280 --> 01:19:19,880
Speaker 13: you organize, mobilized, educate, and galvanize the community towards action.

1555
01:19:20,160 --> 01:19:22,639
Speaker 13: This didn't happen another vacuum, and it took the time.

1556
01:19:22,720 --> 01:19:24,519
Speaker 13: This was a marathon out of spread. Many times I

1557
01:19:24,600 --> 01:19:27,320
Speaker 13: get upset about the marathon. But this can happen in

1558
01:19:27,400 --> 01:19:30,559
Speaker 13: other cities, particularly with city Tulsa is only eighteen percent black.

1559
01:19:30,920 --> 01:19:33,840
Speaker 13: You got cities out here twenty five, thirty, forty percent.

1560
01:19:34,080 --> 01:19:34,320
Speaker 6: Come on.

1561
01:19:34,720 --> 01:19:37,080
Speaker 13: But there's a formula to make this happen, and we

1562
01:19:37,360 --> 01:19:39,559
Speaker 13: know what that formula is. And then with Mayor and Nichols,

1563
01:19:39,600 --> 01:19:41,800
Speaker 13: he can talk it from the elected leader side.

1564
01:19:42,920 --> 01:19:49,920
Speaker 3: I love it, thank you, I Looktimore.

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01:19:50,840 --> 01:19:54,320
Speaker 4: That was excellent. I just I loved love me. I

1566
01:19:54,360 --> 01:19:55,160
Speaker 4: love his dogs.

1567
01:19:56,600 --> 01:19:58,880
Speaker 5: All right, Before we close it out today, we got

1568
01:19:58,960 --> 01:20:00,680
Speaker 5: to take it into that breakpace. Some bills we'll see

1569
01:20:00,760 --> 01:20:01,280
Speaker 5: on that side.

1570
01:20:11,479 --> 01:20:14,639
Speaker 1: I'm would just tell you I will say the thing

1571
01:20:15,000 --> 01:20:17,800
Speaker 1: that my co host may be a little uncomfortable with.

1572
01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:19,920
Speaker 1: But I do have to say that if we can't

1573
01:20:20,000 --> 01:20:24,880
Speaker 1: even act on a study with respect to Governor Wes Moore,

1574
01:20:25,280 --> 01:20:27,120
Speaker 1: because people ask like, are you all gonna talk about this?

1575
01:20:27,120 --> 01:20:30,519
Speaker 1: You're gonnaddress this? I mean, these are the things that

1576
01:20:30,680 --> 01:20:33,160
Speaker 1: we have to lead with conviction. And this is also

1577
01:20:33,280 --> 01:20:36,280
Speaker 1: the space where we center other folks comfort. We're censuring

1578
01:20:36,360 --> 01:20:40,960
Speaker 1: white comfort in that, and it is disheartening when we

1579
01:20:41,280 --> 01:20:45,200
Speaker 1: expect someone who looks like us, someone who knows firsthand,

1580
01:20:46,040 --> 01:20:49,880
Speaker 1: to act on our behalf, and then they do not.

1581
01:20:50,200 --> 01:20:52,840
Speaker 1: So I'd be curious if he ever wants to come

1582
01:20:52,880 --> 01:20:56,120
Speaker 1: on the podcast. He has an open invitation, because I

1583
01:20:56,160 --> 01:20:58,880
Speaker 1: would love to hear his rationale and his thoughts about

1584
01:20:59,000 --> 01:21:03,719
Speaker 1: why he vetoed uh this study for reparations, just as background,

1585
01:21:03,760 --> 01:21:07,599
Speaker 1: Governor Wes Moore, who is the first black governor of Maryland,

1586
01:21:08,240 --> 01:21:13,360
Speaker 1: vetoed a reparation just a bill to study what reparations

1587
01:21:13,479 --> 01:21:16,320
Speaker 1: would look like. And I've seen your comments asking us

1588
01:21:16,360 --> 01:21:18,880
Speaker 1: to talk about it, So here we are talking about it.

1589
01:21:20,120 --> 01:21:21,400
Speaker 4: You know, we'll we'll address it.

1590
01:21:21,520 --> 01:21:24,160
Speaker 1: We have a relationship with the governor and I'm I

1591
01:21:24,479 --> 01:21:26,760
Speaker 1: don't know for certain, but I'm I would imagine that

1592
01:21:26,920 --> 01:21:29,280
Speaker 1: he or somebody on his team may have heard from Angela.

1593
01:21:29,360 --> 01:21:31,440
Speaker 4: I don't know. This is me speculating.

1594
01:21:31,560 --> 01:21:34,360
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I'm sure when that announcement came out,

1595
01:21:34,600 --> 01:21:37,280
Speaker 1: but he heard from a lot of people about it.

1596
01:21:37,439 --> 01:21:39,720
Speaker 4: So that's out of my name.

1597
01:21:39,760 --> 01:21:41,400
Speaker 3: But hold on, angree, because you know when they do

1598
01:21:41,479 --> 01:21:43,479
Speaker 3: that in the debate, when your name is thrown.

1599
01:21:44,800 --> 01:21:46,599
Speaker 5: Research, I promise.

1600
01:21:46,760 --> 01:21:48,320
Speaker 4: So let me just say this first.

1601
01:21:51,040 --> 01:21:54,760
Speaker 3: I think that it is right that many of us

1602
01:21:55,040 --> 01:21:58,680
Speaker 3: and I'm including myself in this, are so tired of

1603
01:21:58,800 --> 01:22:01,880
Speaker 3: a study like we don't have to study this. You

1604
01:22:02,000 --> 01:22:04,880
Speaker 3: can see the societal impact even what you brought up

1605
01:22:04,920 --> 01:22:09,040
Speaker 3: earlier about we have been trained to shrink in spaces.

1606
01:22:09,479 --> 01:22:12,400
Speaker 3: That was for safety and it is a generational trauma

1607
01:22:12,720 --> 01:22:16,400
Speaker 3: that we carry. That is an example of what slavery

1608
01:22:16,479 --> 01:22:19,320
Speaker 3: has done to our people. We don't need no more studies.

1609
01:22:20,040 --> 01:22:23,640
Speaker 3: In Maryland itself, they have studied the impact and the

1610
01:22:23,720 --> 01:22:27,120
Speaker 3: harms of slavery over and over again. They have those results.

1611
01:22:28,080 --> 01:22:32,479
Speaker 3: My advice to the governor and to his brilliant wife,

1612
01:22:32,560 --> 01:22:35,960
Speaker 3: Don who is also a tremendous advisor, and to so

1613
01:22:36,120 --> 01:22:39,639
Speaker 3: many others is to act just like de Mario said,

1614
01:22:39,720 --> 01:22:43,680
Speaker 3: it is to implement. If we know the conclusions of

1615
01:22:43,760 --> 01:22:47,760
Speaker 3: those studies, let us publish, publicize those studies. Let's tell

1616
01:22:47,800 --> 01:22:49,880
Speaker 3: people where they are and what can be done given

1617
01:22:49,920 --> 01:22:52,640
Speaker 3: the climate that we're in. I think if we know

1618
01:22:53,560 --> 01:22:57,880
Speaker 3: that the President of the United States is probably very

1619
01:22:58,040 --> 01:23:00,679
Speaker 3: threatened by Governor Wes Moore, you going to be hit anyway,

1620
01:23:01,240 --> 01:23:03,880
Speaker 3: you know, so let's be clear about the fact that

1621
01:23:04,040 --> 01:23:06,240
Speaker 3: you can't shrink from that and so live in and

1622
01:23:06,360 --> 01:23:08,800
Speaker 3: embody the same courage that it took to get you there.

1623
01:23:09,160 --> 01:23:11,840
Speaker 3: He has so much support in Maryland, and I think

1624
01:23:12,080 --> 01:23:14,479
Speaker 3: that if I would have advised anything, it would have

1625
01:23:14,600 --> 01:23:18,280
Speaker 3: been for them to be clear with the Black Caucus

1626
01:23:18,360 --> 01:23:22,040
Speaker 3: on the front end. You know, Maryland writ large is

1627
01:23:22,160 --> 01:23:25,720
Speaker 3: a really tremendous example of what black political power can

1628
01:23:25,840 --> 01:23:28,880
Speaker 3: and should look like, especially when you represent so many

1629
01:23:28,960 --> 01:23:31,439
Speaker 3: black folks in the state. So I just want to

1630
01:23:31,479 --> 01:23:33,720
Speaker 3: see them on the same page. And I don't think

1631
01:23:33,800 --> 01:23:37,280
Speaker 3: that they're that far apart. I think that the legislature

1632
01:23:37,439 --> 01:23:39,640
Speaker 3: did what we knew what they know that we know

1633
01:23:39,800 --> 01:23:42,160
Speaker 3: what they know to do based on even once it's

1634
01:23:42,160 --> 01:23:44,599
Speaker 3: been done in HR forty every Congress, and that can't

1635
01:23:44,600 --> 01:23:46,800
Speaker 3: even get out the Judiciary Committee. It dies in the

1636
01:23:46,880 --> 01:23:50,439
Speaker 3: Judiciary Committee, even when Democrats are in charge. So they

1637
01:23:50,520 --> 01:23:53,160
Speaker 3: did the easier thing because they thought this was the

1638
01:23:53,240 --> 01:23:55,880
Speaker 3: least the most reasonable service. But in an era where

1639
01:23:55,920 --> 01:23:59,920
Speaker 3: we're being attacked on DEI and equity and Affirmative Act

1640
01:24:00,080 --> 01:24:03,000
Speaker 3: SIN and still incarcerated for stuff for no reason, we

1641
01:24:03,080 --> 01:24:05,280
Speaker 3: should be able to do more than look at the harms.

1642
01:24:05,320 --> 01:24:07,519
Speaker 3: We should be able to implement solutions for the harms

1643
01:24:07,560 --> 01:24:08,040
Speaker 3: that exist.

1644
01:24:08,479 --> 01:24:12,880
Speaker 1: Well, let me just conversation. Tell your friends the please

1645
01:24:12,920 --> 01:24:16,280
Speaker 1: to the show. We are tight on time, Handrew, And I.

1646
01:24:16,320 --> 01:24:21,519
Speaker 5: Know anyway you want to talk about the budget, I'm

1647
01:24:21,520 --> 01:24:23,360
Speaker 5: going to say this part and maybe this will become

1648
01:24:23,400 --> 01:24:24,000
Speaker 5: the many part.

1649
01:24:25,760 --> 01:24:26,720
Speaker 4: You want your call to action?

1650
01:24:27,080 --> 01:24:28,840
Speaker 5: Did you want to talk about it this part too?

1651
01:24:29,120 --> 01:24:30,439
Speaker 2: It'll be this part, Tiff.

1652
01:24:30,600 --> 01:24:31,800
Speaker 3: He said, it's the mini part.

1653
01:24:32,680 --> 01:24:37,840
Speaker 5: Yes, clearly, all of those. It's all those things. I

1654
01:24:38,040 --> 01:24:41,600
Speaker 5: have too many thoughts on the on the Maryland situation. Uh,

1655
01:24:41,720 --> 01:24:47,240
Speaker 5: but I prefer to lift up brother Nichols, the mayor

1656
01:24:47,720 --> 01:24:51,200
Speaker 5: of Tulsa, the first black mayor of Tulsa. I followed,

1657
01:24:51,560 --> 01:24:53,960
Speaker 5: you know, from the outside a bit of his race,

1658
01:24:54,200 --> 01:24:57,960
Speaker 5: and I saw interviews that were being done mostly of

1659
01:24:58,040 --> 01:25:01,559
Speaker 5: white citizens and Tulsa who prior to the election, we're

1660
01:25:01,640 --> 01:25:06,760
Speaker 5: expressing views of he can help, heal the wounds. He

1661
01:25:06,880 --> 01:25:09,920
Speaker 5: can you know, he's just like my son. He's a

1662
01:25:09,960 --> 01:25:13,000
Speaker 5: regular guy who just wants to do good things. I

1663
01:25:13,120 --> 01:25:17,240
Speaker 5: remember those comments. They're familiar to me and the races

1664
01:25:17,280 --> 01:25:21,200
Speaker 5: I've run. I've never been elected to a seat that's

1665
01:25:21,240 --> 01:25:25,080
Speaker 5: been majority black, and not even close to in most

1666
01:25:25,200 --> 01:25:30,920
Speaker 5: races I've ever run. And in this case, the courage

1667
01:25:30,960 --> 01:25:35,000
Speaker 5: that this brother had to summon. When people put you

1668
01:25:35,120 --> 01:25:37,120
Speaker 5: in a place because they think you're going to when

1669
01:25:37,200 --> 01:25:40,840
Speaker 5: they say heal the wounds, they really do move past it, right,

1670
01:25:40,960 --> 01:25:42,960
Speaker 5: and by virtue of us putting you at the helm

1671
01:25:43,000 --> 01:25:46,719
Speaker 5: of this government, let this be noticed that we're moving

1672
01:25:46,880 --> 01:25:50,120
Speaker 5: past it. Brother Nicholas took that as a different admission.

1673
01:25:51,080 --> 01:25:53,800
Speaker 5: He thought you were not only putting him there to

1674
01:25:53,840 --> 01:25:56,639
Speaker 5: do the right thing by everybody, but he really does

1675
01:25:56,800 --> 01:26:01,479
Speaker 5: mean everybody, including the historic everybody that were impacted by

1676
01:26:02,600 --> 01:26:05,320
Speaker 5: the history in that city as relates to the Greener

1677
01:26:05,400 --> 01:26:10,120
Speaker 5: community and the Tulsa Race massacre. But I still can't

1678
01:26:10,280 --> 01:26:13,720
Speaker 5: let the moment pass without giving the brother his due,

1679
01:26:14,200 --> 01:26:17,760
Speaker 5: because he's in a place where you could see him

1680
01:26:18,600 --> 01:26:22,280
Speaker 5: tiptoeing around it, if touching it at all, or finding

1681
01:26:22,360 --> 01:26:26,080
Speaker 5: it much more convenient to maybe commission a study. We're

1682
01:26:26,120 --> 01:26:27,599
Speaker 5: not talking about a man who's in a place where

1683
01:26:27,640 --> 01:26:30,720
Speaker 5: they're thirty five percent of the population are black, where

1684
01:26:30,720 --> 01:26:33,320
Speaker 5: you're surrounded in your church and your grocery store, and

1685
01:26:33,400 --> 01:26:36,639
Speaker 5: in your neighborhoods wealthy or poor by people who look

1686
01:26:36,720 --> 01:26:40,960
Speaker 5: like you, Maryland. We're talking about a place where it's

1687
01:26:41,200 --> 01:26:43,240
Speaker 5: in some way, it's probably still uncomfortable to be in

1688
01:26:43,320 --> 01:26:46,479
Speaker 5: the skin he's in. Yet he chose to take the

1689
01:26:46,560 --> 01:26:51,160
Speaker 5: position that he was in, take the whole of the government,

1690
01:26:51,400 --> 01:26:55,120
Speaker 5: and acknowledge a wrong doing, a harm that was done.

1691
01:26:55,120 --> 01:26:57,800
Speaker 5: Which is why I wanted to hear Tomorrio's thoughts on that,

1692
01:26:57,960 --> 01:27:01,840
Speaker 5: because I imagined, as he expressed, that you would be

1693
01:27:01,920 --> 01:27:04,639
Speaker 5: in a place of almost disbelief and maybe a sigh

1694
01:27:04,680 --> 01:27:07,120
Speaker 5: of relief, that you would breathe the deepest breath you

1695
01:27:07,800 --> 01:27:10,280
Speaker 5: breathed in a long time when you get to hear

1696
01:27:10,360 --> 01:27:13,479
Speaker 5: the government, because he's not just a black man. Just

1697
01:27:13,600 --> 01:27:16,240
Speaker 5: as when I talked about people protesting me, I wasn't

1698
01:27:16,400 --> 01:27:20,479
Speaker 5: just the ally it's sitting in on a floor. I

1699
01:27:20,640 --> 01:27:24,519
Speaker 5: was representing the government. And when you do that, it matters.

1700
01:27:25,240 --> 01:27:29,840
Speaker 5: So for the cowards out there, may you learn. But

1701
01:27:29,920 --> 01:27:33,240
Speaker 5: I hope that this man will be an example of

1702
01:27:34,000 --> 01:27:38,479
Speaker 5: the things that are possible when preparation and opportunity meet

1703
01:27:39,320 --> 01:27:41,679
Speaker 5: and you happen to be in position to make the play.

1704
01:27:42,600 --> 01:27:46,120
Speaker 5: And I thought that given the horrors of what occurred,

1705
01:27:46,280 --> 01:27:50,800
Speaker 5: and frankly, the disappointment after disappointment after disappointment that have

1706
01:27:50,920 --> 01:27:53,519
Speaker 5: been felt that that was a powerful thing to do.

1707
01:27:53,640 --> 01:27:55,439
Speaker 5: And we hear a lot of time from listeners and

1708
01:27:55,560 --> 01:27:58,880
Speaker 5: others and commenters of how government doesn't work. It don't

1709
01:27:58,920 --> 01:28:01,439
Speaker 5: do nothing for us, It hadn't changed anything for me.

1710
01:28:02,680 --> 01:28:04,200
Speaker 5: We owe it to them to lift it up when

1711
01:28:04,240 --> 01:28:07,360
Speaker 5: it actually does work, and it does the courageous and

1712
01:28:07,439 --> 01:28:09,960
Speaker 5: the right thing, and there are people who can lift

1713
01:28:10,000 --> 01:28:12,640
Speaker 5: to benefit from it and tell about it, and now

1714
01:28:12,680 --> 01:28:14,599
Speaker 5: we can go on to all the other great things.

1715
01:28:14,920 --> 01:28:15,720
Speaker 4: Well, the question I was.

1716
01:28:15,720 --> 01:28:17,200
Speaker 1: Trying to ask you is did you want to do

1717
01:28:17,280 --> 01:28:19,840
Speaker 1: the budget or do y'all want to keep this one care?

1718
01:28:20,200 --> 01:28:21,920
Speaker 1: We can keep this conversation going to make it a

1719
01:28:22,000 --> 01:28:22,559
Speaker 1: two parter.

1720
01:28:23,400 --> 01:28:24,720
Speaker 4: If we can.

1721
01:28:25,120 --> 01:28:30,439
Speaker 3: I would love for us to talk about the budget,

1722
01:28:30,880 --> 01:28:34,160
Speaker 3: because I like what you suggested, Tiff about the idea

1723
01:28:34,200 --> 01:28:40,840
Speaker 3: of inviting wes On to be able to speak for

1724
01:28:40,960 --> 01:28:44,599
Speaker 3: himself unless you're wanting to back it out of Maryland

1725
01:28:44,640 --> 01:28:47,200
Speaker 3: and have a broader conversation on what's required of elected.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Well, let's do CTA's real quick and then let's

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Speaker 1: go right into the budget.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I'd be really really fast. My call to action

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Speaker 3: for this week y'all know I've been heavy on this

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Speaker 3: State of the People Power tour, and the tour concludes

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Speaker 3: Andrew wisniff right in the middle of my stuff. But

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Speaker 3: when the tour concludes this week in Los Angeles, we

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Speaker 3: are going to be gearing up for our Juneteenth celebration

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Speaker 3: and convening our National Assembly in Baltimore, Maryland. We start

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Speaker 3: on Juneteenth, which for those of you who don't know,

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Speaker 3: is June nineteenth, and we go through the twenty first.

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Speaker 3: It will be so amazing. I am going to ask

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Speaker 3: in this for a call to action to be that

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01:29:28,960 --> 01:29:31,920
Speaker 3: Andrew and Tiff will help to moderate one of those

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Speaker 3: conversations that are going to be amazing around our black papers.

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Speaker 3: And I think that we should be there, you know,

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Speaker 3: as much as we can, even if we do some

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01:29:39,520 --> 01:29:42,280
Speaker 3: mini pods to wrap ups or you know, just to

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01:29:42,400 --> 01:29:44,800
Speaker 3: kick things off on each day. I think that would

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Speaker 3: be dope. There's some ideas, but please make sure you

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Speaker 3: register at STATEOFTHEPPL dot com slash Baltimore. You all, I

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Speaker 3: can't tell you how spiritual I feel like it's going

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01:29:55,680 --> 01:29:57,519
Speaker 3: to be. Already We're going to be an empowerment simple

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01:29:57,600 --> 01:30:01,040
Speaker 3: AAMI church. You cannot just pop up up, can that

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01:30:01,200 --> 01:30:03,400
Speaker 3: pop out and show? As Kidrick could say, you got

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Speaker 3: to actually make sure you register. We don't really want

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Speaker 3: to do registration on site because we want to know

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Speaker 3: how much food to feed y'all. And guess what, y'all

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Speaker 3: is great? You got to get your reparations somewhere. It's

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Speaker 3: from your people. So come on Baltimore, Maryland, and I'm

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Speaker 3: gona yield to Tip and Andrew.

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Speaker 1: All right, I will yield my time to Andrew's call

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Speaker 1: to action because I echo all of his thoughts there in.

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Speaker 4: Essence of time.

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Speaker 1: We want to say, you know, we've gone on a

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Speaker 1: while on this podcast. Thank you guys for tuning in.

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Speaker 1: If you enjoyed the episode, please share with your friends,

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Speaker 1: tell somebody like subscribe, do all the things. You can

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Speaker 1: check out other shows on Reason Choice Media. Our girl

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Speaker 1: Jamel has politics and there are gonna be some new

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Speaker 1: shows dropping, so stay tuned here to pick that up.

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Speaker 1: Be sure to tune into this week's mini pod. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna get into the budget. I don't know how many

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Speaker 1: days there are to midterm elections, because I don't know

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Speaker 1: that midterm elections matter anymore.

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Speaker 4: So that's my hopeless.

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Speaker 12: Say this.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna say that, Jim, let me screw it out.

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Speaker 1: Five hundred, I'm many, sixteen days. All right, Thank y'all,

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Speaker 1: Welcome home morning.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for joining the Natives.

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Speaker 14: Attention to what the info and all of the latest

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Speaker 14: rock gulum and cross connected to the statements that.

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Speaker 5: You leave on our socials.

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Speaker 3: Thank you sincerely for the patients.

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Speaker 14: Reason for your choice is clear, so grateful it took

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Speaker 14: the execute role for serve, defend, and protect the truth,

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Speaker 14: even if paint we welcome home to all of.

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Speaker 2: The Natives wait.

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Speaker 12: Thank you.

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