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Speaker 1: Warning, Today's episode contains big spoilers. Spoilers not just for

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Speaker 1: the episode, but we're in our conversation with the folks

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Speaker 1: book spoilers, so be watchful of that. When that segment

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Speaker 1: pops up, I'll warn you again. Warning, Warning, Warning, we're

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Speaker 1: talking about episode four nine of the Seven Kingdoms. Be warned.

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Speaker 1: Hello and Nama. Jason gets ups and I'm Rosey Night

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Speaker 1: and welcome back to x Ravasion the Bogus Wet video

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Speaker 1: coming our podcast, we're being the Amy episode of Plus News.

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Speaker 2: In today's episode, we are going to be exploring the.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely Master the full episode four of a Night of

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Speaker 3: the Seven Kingdoms and the themes within it truth, lies

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Speaker 3: and bullshit. But that means something a little deeper in

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Speaker 3: the world of Game of Phones and we will dig

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Speaker 3: into why and then stick around until the end of

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Speaker 3: the episode for us spoiler chat with our special guest

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Speaker 3: Zak and Hannah from Game of Bhones.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, or let's just talk about this theme for a second,

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Speaker 1: because I think that I need to define bullshit. So

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Speaker 1: obviously there's truth and there's lies, but there's also bullshit

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Speaker 1: and to me, bullshit is something that is part true,

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Speaker 1: part lie. That is, its purpose is to make people

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Speaker 1: kind of feel better about the world. Like I think

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Speaker 1: you could argue that in the current state of West Uros,

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Speaker 1: a Knight's vow, particularly to protect the innocent, is bullshit,

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Speaker 1: but it exists to make people feel good about the Knights,

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Speaker 1: like we need it because it makes people feel kind

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Speaker 1: of good. You know. It's kind of like when somebody

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Speaker 1: asks like how do I look, and You're like, you

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Speaker 1: look amazing?

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Speaker 2: Do they look amazing?

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Speaker 1: Sometimes they don't, right, sometimes they don't, but you want

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Speaker 3: The like in this context, like a white lie in

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Speaker 3: the game of Third Space, but it might actually have

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Speaker 3: like a bigger.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: But like it is in that kind of notion of

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Speaker 2: like what does it mean? What are the black?

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Speaker 3: What is in between the black and white of truth

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Speaker 3: and lie? And I think that's again what this show

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Speaker 3: really great question that I think sums up this episode

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Speaker 3: really really well, which is who can afford to tell

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Speaker 1: Right? It's a very it's very expensive. And one thing

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Speaker 1: we see in this episode is that Dunk, who is

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Speaker 1: So let's talk with the Let's talk about the opening

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Speaker 1: scene which I loved, which is this moment where Egg,

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Speaker 2: I think it's bullshit. I think it's bullshit.

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Speaker 3: I think Egg gets the middle because I think that Egg,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think you could argue, and Egg

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Baylor's talk with Dunk is so good because you

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Speaker 1: You know, doun'k keeps pressing him about the bullshit part

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you make a great point to this kind

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Speaker 3: It's not even about being stupid it's about being prepared, right,

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Speaker 2: But when he means them, he's like, yeah, these people

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Speaker 1: The conversation about the Mummers, that part of it, and

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Speaker 1: in fact, I almost lean more towards Arian's side, which

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Speaker 5: actually does stand with Dunk.

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00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:01,640
Speaker 2: So there's this great reflection there.

435
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:05,200
Speaker 3: Like Baylor when he comes out, he says he protected

436
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:07,399
Speaker 3: the innocent, this was the right thing for him to do,

437
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:08,640
Speaker 3: Like I stand with him.

438
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,399
Speaker 2: Let the gods decide. So I kind of love that too.

439
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:16,320
Speaker 3: There's these these bullshits who are using honor and protection

440
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:19,720
Speaker 3: and all of these things to manipulate Dunk. But his

441
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:23,480
Speaker 3: own goodness in his own belief and behavior actually does

442
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:27,200
Speaker 3: inspire that behavior in some of the slightly less compromised

443
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:28,080
Speaker 3: people around him.

444
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 1: Now, bullshit, I think can also be positive. Agree, and

445
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:38,200
Speaker 1: I would argue you may disagree that our favorite scene

446
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 1: in this episode, Steely pat and Dunk one of the

447
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:46,800
Speaker 1: great I think scenes in series Game of Throne, serious history,

448
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,800
Speaker 1: in which you know, they talk about the shield and

449
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 1: you know, Oak and Iron guard me well or else

450
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:56,640
Speaker 1: I'm dead in Doom to Hell and then specifically talk

451
00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 1: about the painting that Tansel did on the shield of

452
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:04,400
Speaker 1: this beautiful tree. Dunk feels like, well, it's a drear tree,

453
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 1: isn't it. It's kind of grim, and and like the

454
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:10,119
Speaker 1: star is going down on it and it's doesn't it

455
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:15,480
Speaker 1: looks like it's dying. And then and then Pete says, no, no, no, no,

456
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 1: it's it's it's blooming.

457
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:19,640
Speaker 2: And that's a summer tree.

458
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,440
Speaker 1: That's a summer tree, that's not a winter that's not

459
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 1: a fall tree. Now is that the authoritative read on it?

460
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 2: I don't know, no, because but in the moment it's right.

461
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:36,399
Speaker 1: But in the moment it's right, and he and Steely

462
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,400
Speaker 1: Peyton knows and This is where bullshit can be good sometimes.

463
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,680
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's more important that a person feel good and

464
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:47,160
Speaker 1: feel confident and feel inspired whether or not a thing

465
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 1: is true or false. And I think Pete is doing

466
00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 1: the important thing, which is lift the sky's spirits right now.

467
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:54,359
Speaker 2: I agree.

468
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 3: I also love that read because it's a very classic

469
00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 3: kind of you know, we've seen it in many things.

470
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:03,399
Speaker 3: We've seen it in you know, other fictional ideas, you know,

471
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,399
Speaker 3: the luck potion, the thing that you give someone, basically

472
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 3: the placebo, right, But I really like what I really

473
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 3: like here and why I think it hits so emotionally

474
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 3: is whether or not it's true is irrelevant, because in

475
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:20,879
Speaker 3: that moment, Pete just believes it, like he believes it,

476
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 3: and Dunk believes it, and he wants Dunk to feel hope,

477
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 3: so he just tells him. And that is like, it's

478
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 3: so good when he says the.

479
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 2: Oak is alive, man, that's somebody.

480
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 3: The leaves are blossoming, they're blooming, you know, and Dunk

481
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 3: is crying, and I just think that.

482
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:39,960
Speaker 2: That's such a beautiful moment.

483
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 3: And also I guess something else, and this is such

484
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,479
Speaker 3: a it sounds generic, but I would say the power

485
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:49,119
Speaker 3: of words the power of storytelling, whether it's Egg lying

486
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 3: and that eventually ending up getting to Dunk getting in trouble,

487
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:57,919
Speaker 3: or as they textually put in, Darron apologizes to him

488
00:26:57,960 --> 00:26:59,440
Speaker 3: and says, hey, I know you. I don't want to

489
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:02,200
Speaker 3: die today. You want to die today. But if I

490
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,399
Speaker 3: lied on you and that causes your death, like I'm sorry.

491
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 3: There is this notion here of the words being so powerful.

492
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:12,879
Speaker 3: And when Steely Pate gives Dunk the shield and tells

493
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 3: him that Tanseel's gone to Dawn and kind of gives

494
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 3: him this correct upbringing upbuilding of his spirit and kind

495
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 3: of he gives him the shield for a copper to say, hey,

496
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,159
Speaker 3: wink wink, nudge, nudge, like we're doing this for you.

497
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 2: I just think all of that is so vital and

498
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,880
Speaker 2: gives Dunk the passion.

499
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 3: And fury and kind of intensity that he needs to

500
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 3: go into the fight and then face down this kind

501
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:42,919
Speaker 3: of betrayal that he gets from from Sir Stevon.

502
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 1: Oh, brutal, absolutely brutal betrayal that he doesn't even feel

503
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 1: an out bad about. No, he says to Raymond basically

504
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 1: like it's kind of like it was a great bargain,

505
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,680
Speaker 1: like it's I would do it again for cheaper, like

506
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:02,359
Speaker 1: and our chen again. Yeah, are you kidding? Like this

507
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 1: is a what? This doesn't happen. This is once in

508
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:08,639
Speaker 1: a zero times in a lifetime importunity to jump up

509
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 1: in the hierarchy. I can't believe that you're feeling strange

510
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:18,640
Speaker 1: about this, Raymond, Like what what? And this leads directly

511
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:28,440
Speaker 1: to Dunk deciding and ultimately hesitating too long to night

512
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:34,159
Speaker 1: Raymond and Lionel does it for him instead, and then

513
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 1: Dunk gives this speech which is the moment that he

514
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 1: calls bullshit on on the way the Oath of a

515
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 1: Knight is viewed in West Ros, which is basically like

516
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 1: an ideal that we're never going to live up to.

517
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 1: And if you think that we're going to live up

518
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 1: to it, you're kind of stupid to ever have believed

519
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 1: in this. And he says like that can't be. Is

520
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 1: that really how we're gonna do things?

521
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 3: Like that?

522
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 1: Can't be. It. It's an incredible speech that builds to

523
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 1: this kind of subverted climax when you know, the bastard

524
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 1: of Bracken or one of the one of the Bracken families,

525
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 1: member of the Bracken family stands up in Fart's incredible

526
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 1: trumpeting Fart.

527
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, you think it's this big game of thrones, he's

528
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 3: gonna stand with a moment and instead he's just do

529
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 3: it a thought.

530
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 1: It's it's an incredible moment because it shows you how

531
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 1: the educated, powerful classes in Westros actually think about it.

532
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 1: It's exactly. It's not about because it was never about entertainment, right,

533
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 1: it was never about justice. It was about we have

534
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 1: the sword and you don't, and it's about a way

535
00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 1: to make that more palatable for the people who don't

536
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 1: have the sword. Oh, we have the sword because we're

537
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 1: actually gonna be looking out for you. Bullshit, completely completely untrue, right,

538
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:10,719
Speaker 1: But it's a good line because it makes us all

539
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 1: feel good about the fact that you have that you

540
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 1: don't have the sword, or we have the sword. And

541
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 1: then there's that moment where apparently in answering in an

542
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 1: answer to Dunk's call.

543
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 2: It probably happened like before me, let's.

544
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 1: Talk about that, because yes, because the crown Prince rides

545
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 1: out and it seems to be this wonderful answer to

546
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 1: what Donk's done. But yeah, I mean, I've I've put

547
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 1: my theory out there. I believe that that is. You know,

548
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 1: when I used to be a musician, a lot of times,

549
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 1: you know, in the course of improvising, you quote a song.

550
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 1: You know, how much is that Doggie in the window

551
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 1: or it seemed to two thousand and one or whatever,

552
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 1: And sometimes people would hear stuff and they'd come up

553
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 1: afterwards and be like, Oh, did you quote did you quote?

554
00:30:56,400 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 1: You know, do you quote Nelly? And that you know

555
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 1: hot in here with Nelly? And I remember one of

556
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 1: my uh this guy is I was, I was jamming

557
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 1: with these musicians for New Orleans, and this guy was like,

558
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 1: I always say yes, whether or not, I always say

559
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 1: yes because it makes because it makes it. It makes

560
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 1: it feel like you know them. Yeah, it's made me,

561
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 1: makes them feel special, and it makes you seem like

562
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 1: you're really good, like you can you're you know, this

563
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 1: incredible musician who can like feel the vibes in the

564
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 1: room and translate into a thing. And I think that's

565
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 1: what will eventually happen with with with the Crown Prince

566
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 1: riding out in this in this moment, I think Baylor

567
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 1: one day, I think the storytellers will say, and who answered, but.

568
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, But we know that realistically, that's three hours

569
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 3: of clothing, and he'd probably already had the spies out

570
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 3: hearing that he didn't have anyone on his team. Obviously

571
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 3: eggs fucking going around like at Targary and asking every

572
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 3: guy to fight, So like, yeah, he probably.

573
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 2: Had an idea, But also I have to say, I mean.

574
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 3: Talking of impact moments like we haven't had, and that

575
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 3: everyone we know this already. I'm number one game House

576
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 3: of the Dragon Stan. I think it's amazing. I think

577
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 3: a lot of times for me, it's above peak Game

578
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 3: of Ferns.

579
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 2: But that is a.

580
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 3: Chamber drama sloburn personal intrigue story. It has been a

581
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 3: long time since we've had one of those moments where

582
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 3: you can roar and cheer when something good happens in

583
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 3: Game of Ferns.

584
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 2: This was in the discord. People were just.

585
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 3: Losing their minds when Baylor rode through the door, like

586
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 3: if they were like, this is peak Game of Ferns,

587
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 3: Like this is that moment. And then when he says,

588
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 3: you know, he was protecting the innocent, like he wasn't.

589
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 3: I haven't lost my senses. I'm actually doing the right thing.

590
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 2: And Baylor is so.

591
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 3: Pissed off about it. That's also what I love, Like

592
00:32:57,920 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 3: he's not there because he thinks, I mean, he's there.

593
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 2: He knows what it looks like, and he knows it's hot.

594
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 2: It's the right thing to do, But it being the

595
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 2: right thing to do is not the reason he's that.

596
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 3: He's there to do damage control, and he's gonna be

597
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 3: more pissed off at like Maka and at fucking Arian

598
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 3: for making this pr issue he's exactly to do and

599
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 3: deal with.

600
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 1: It's more than just like damage control too, Like it

601
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 1: will be later on framed as this courageous moment yep,

602
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 1: but kind of like Maker or even Arion. You're in

603
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 1: there with the King's Guard. The King's Guard can't strike you.

604
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 1: It's a it's w W E wrestling to I think

605
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 1: that's in Baylor's mind. He's made that formulation. Whether than not,

606
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 1: that has to be true. He's made the formulation that, yeah,

607
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 1: that they can't might first of all, these the sworn

608
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 1: knights of the King's Guard cannot touch me. So what

609
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 1: are they gonna do there? I'm already safe from them.

610
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 1: Arion and d are gonna be going at it. You know,

611
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 1: those two are gonna be fighting, and then it's me

612
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 1: and my brother and we're gonna be playing paddy Cake,

613
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 1: like we're not actually gonna go and eat each other,

614
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 1: like come on. Yeah, So I think Baylor's I think

615
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 1: Baylor's kind of lined it up and said I should

616
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 1: do this. It's right. And also it's kind of safe

617
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:22,879
Speaker 1: for me. It's just it's not it's it's a dangerous play,

618
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,799
Speaker 1: but kind of a safe play because of the reasons.

619
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:29,320
Speaker 3: That I love that, because also it leans into this

620
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 3: theory because he's almost like bullshitting himself. Yeah, because also, bro,

621
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 3: you are the fucking crown prince, like whatever, this I'm

622
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 3: not saying this is what is gonna happen, Like, I'm

623
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 3: just saying that there are machinations there that could be

624
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 3: happening where I wouldn't put myself in that situation even

625
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 3: if I wasn't the crown prince, let alone, if you

626
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:50,359
Speaker 3: are next in the air to the throne, Like there's

627
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,880
Speaker 3: so many layers to it. But I think he's kind

628
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 3: of bullshitting himself. It's gonna be fine, Everything's okay, There

629
00:34:56,080 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 3: couldn't anything, couldn't go wrong. Who cares, This isn't gonna

630
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:02,840
Speaker 3: be a big deal. And then they'll write about me,

631
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 3: they'll wright about Dunk, and I'll look like a good

632
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 3: guy and Arian is going to learn his lesson and

633
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,799
Speaker 3: get a bit shamed or whatever. And uh, I think

634
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 3: it's such an interesting performance. I mean, Bertie Carvell is

635
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 3: just absolutely smashing this roller like the level of like

636
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 3: gravitas and kind of like s grit and unwisdom and authority. Yeah,

637
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 3: it's the way of the world that is on his

638
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 3: shoulders because of understanding what the reality of being a

639
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 3: Targarian is.

640
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:34,399
Speaker 2: Is like so interesting to watch.

641
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 1: Well, let's take a quick break and we'll be right

642
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:56,959
Speaker 1: back with our guests Hannah and Zach from Game Bone. Okay,

643
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 1: spoiler warning, folks, if you've not read the novella's and

644
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 1: don't want to be boiled about not just stuff that

645
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:04,320
Speaker 1: happens in this show, but happens beyond this episode and

646
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 1: beyond this season, stop listening. Don't listen to it. Don't

647
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Speaker 1: listen to it. Stop stop, stop, stop stop. But if

648
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Speaker 1: you're down for that, if you're into it, please join

649
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Speaker 1: us for our conversation with Hanna and Zach from Game

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Speaker 1: of Ownes Woo. Coming up right now. Hannah and Zach

651
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Speaker 1: from Game of Oones, Thank you so much for joining us.

652
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Speaker 1: What do you think of this episode?

653
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, absolutely unbelievable.

654
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Speaker 1: What did you think? Oh god? I mean, the show

655
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:36,840
Speaker 1: just keeps getting better and richer. And I think a

656
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Speaker 1: conversation Rosie and I had in our previous episode about

657
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Speaker 1: this episode is that, I mean, we both think that

658
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:49,360
Speaker 1: there are some moments writing wise, performance wise that it's

659
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 1: not like it's better than peak Game of Thrones, but

660
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Speaker 1: for instance, the steely Pate and Dunk scene I think

661
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 1: is as good as anything you've seen.

662
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Speaker 6: In some of the best Game of Thrones stuff, or

663
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Speaker 6: while I'm watching TV, I've gotten a lot of enjoyment

664
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Speaker 6: out of rate of YouTube videos or some useful information,

665
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Speaker 6: But as far as being transformed on the screen, i'd

666
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Speaker 6: I would put that up against other got as well.

667
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 6: But I think we can open the conversation too. They

668
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 6: messed around and made a sequence that we haven't seen

669
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Speaker 6: that powerful for a long time, A long time for

670
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Speaker 6: me personally.

671
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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, when I I mean when we were first

672
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:25,839
Speaker 4: talking about it, and when I finished the episode, I said,

673
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 4: this is peak not just Game of Thrones, but a

674
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Speaker 4: song of by some fire. And maybe that's recency bias

675
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 4: just because you know, you're kind of high off of

676
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 4: Sunday night watching the episode or Friday at four am

677
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 4: whenever this one dropped. But I feel like the recency

678
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,320
Speaker 4: bias maybe play into a little bit. But to me,

679
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 4: that's peak a Song of Ice and Fire, and so

680
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 4: we're not just seeing you know, great Game of Thrones,

681
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 4: Great House of the Dragon, Great and Out of the

682
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 4: Seven Kingdoms, or just seeing like George's work at.

683
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Speaker 6: The peak any good TV on HBO. Whenever we watched

684
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 6: the episode, we waited to watch together before recording and

685
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 6: during that sequence, and also during the seque's up until

686
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 6: the Bracken moment. But when Baylor comes out at the end,

687
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 6: I was looking away and I did not want her

688
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 6: to see how emotionally I was reacting to.

689
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 1: What was on screen.

690
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:10,840
Speaker 2: No, I agree.

691
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 3: It's sometimes when I watch TV and this is like

692
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 3: such a specific me thing that like it or films

693
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:20,359
Speaker 3: or whatever, if it really speaks to me, it can

694
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 3: feel like it's like it's almost like too much, like

695
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:25,320
Speaker 3: it sort of fills me up and kind of like

696
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 3: feels like it's gonna bubble over. And when I was

697
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Speaker 3: rewatching it this morning, I had that moment where I

698
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:32,399
Speaker 3: was like, Oh, I know this is going to really

699
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Speaker 3: emotionally engage me in a way that might.

700
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Speaker 2: Even make me tie it. So I'm like, do I

701
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 2: need to watch it again? You know it's so good

702
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 2: for you guys.

703
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Speaker 3: You mentioned that kind of notion of this feeling outside

704
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Speaker 3: of even being a specific adaptation. This is like the vibe,

705
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 3: the tone, the thing that feels most close to a

706
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Speaker 3: song of ice and fire. Could you talk a little

707
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Speaker 3: bit about how you felt like the series has built

708
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Speaker 3: that up to here and why this episode hits so much.

709
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Speaker 4: Well, I think it has a lot to do with

710
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Speaker 4: just who Dunk and Egg are as characters and the

711
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 4: world that they live in. So much of George's writing

712
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 4: is about good and evil and kindness existing in the

713
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:16,359
Speaker 4: face of absolute like unnecessary and unfairness, and that there

714
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 4: is goodness and that there is magic in kind of

715
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 4: the day to day mundane reality. And I think that

716
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Speaker 4: when we look at a character like Dunk, who is

717
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 4: come up from flea bottom, who has kind of lied

718
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,399
Speaker 4: and fought and done everything he can to get where

719
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Speaker 4: he is today, and then we look at Egg, who

720
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 4: is a prince of the realm, who is cosplaying as

721
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 4: a peasant, just because it seems fun, you know, bringing

722
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 4: those two characters together and having their chemistry, I mean

723
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 4: shout out to both of Dexter and Peter for bringing

724
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 4: that to the table, but their chemistry kind of juxtaposing

725
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:54,919
Speaker 4: those two dueling.

726
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:57,799
Speaker 6: One of those personal realities, dueling.

727
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Speaker 4: Personalities and realities I think is just so oh beautifully

728
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Speaker 4: encompasses what George is trying to tell in his stories

729
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 4: as a whole. And so I just think it in

730
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Speaker 4: a show that's thirty minutes for six weeks, with a

731
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Speaker 4: lot of humor and a lot of kind of silly moments,

732
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 4: we get this really beautiful opportunity to talk about what

733
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Speaker 4: West Gross looks like and then therefore what the world

734
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Speaker 4: looked like.

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Speaker 6: So and in every chapter of his books, that's three

736
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Speaker 6: three quarters of it, eighty five percent of it, and

737
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Speaker 6: then you know, something happens, or something happens in the beginning,

738
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Speaker 6: we're reacting to it. So having a show where we're

739
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Speaker 6: able to spend enough time to establish all those points hand,

740
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Speaker 6: it was just making rather than how we were presented

741
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Speaker 6: the series around the end of the Got Hill, where

742
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Speaker 6: we were already expected to know so much about these

743
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:48,719
Speaker 6: characters I always related to. We were getting much more

744
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 6: face card moments than point the camera at dirty scenes

745
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:55,319
Speaker 6: in Ireland moments. And here they built Ashford and they

746
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 6: shot the hell out of it. They showed us what

747
00:40:57,680 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 6: it looked like horizontally, they showed us what it looked

748
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 6: like vertically, they showed us what it looked like in

749
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Speaker 6: Ted's they brought us back and forth to Dunk's camp.

750
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Speaker 6: And those are just space markers that I always feel

751
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Speaker 6: when I'm reading a book, and when I'm at a

752
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 6: place like Ashford or a place like Hogwarts that you're

753
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Speaker 6: at all the time, it starts to feel cozy, like

754
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:20,880
Speaker 6: you start to feel familiar. And so the fact that

755
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 6: people are watching four episodes in Ashford and we still

756
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:25,759
Speaker 6: haven't even started the main jass yet, I think it's

757
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 6: a pretty big deal. I don't know if the nine

758
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 6: point seven is gonna last on the rating scale, but

759
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:33,839
Speaker 6: seeing that kind of excitement from people at this point,

760
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 6: like I said, what, we haven't even had the trial yet,

761
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 6: is pretty cool because a lot of people thought, how

762
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 6: are we going to have this show last for six

763
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Speaker 6: episodes at all? Like, how are how is this show

764
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 6: going to hold up on a Sunday night slot on

765
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Speaker 6: HBO with no dragons, with no dragons. Yeah, but we

766
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 6: haven't even had the trial yet.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned peak a song of ice and fire in

769
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 1: your minds? What is what is a song of ice

770
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 1: and fire when it's firing on all cylinders.

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Speaker 4: I think it's the slow burn. I think it's the

772
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Speaker 4: conversations behind closed doors. I think it's the long and

773
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Speaker 4: windy roads through these the reach, you know. I think

774
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 4: it's like these quiet and long drawn out conversations between

775
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 4: characters and that slow build to care about these people.

776
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Speaker 4: And I think that what they've done with the Night

777
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 4: of the Seving Kingdoms is given us that slow build

778
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:32,320
Speaker 4: and space and slow burn somehow in the short space

779
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 4: that we actually have. And so to me, that's the peak.

780
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 4: It's it's the quiet moments in the back corner of

781
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 4: the inn, or in the throne room, or you know,

782
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Speaker 4: any anywhere in between.

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Speaker 1: But that's what it is to me.

784
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Speaker 6: And I also feel like the I think about the

785
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:48,720
Speaker 6: Red Dragon and the goal from house to the Dragon

786
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 6: one of I think the most powerful sequences put to

787
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Speaker 6: screen for this series, and it I think hits on

788
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Speaker 6: the same elements that Hann's talking about that George makes

789
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 6: present and those smaller moments. But I think that is

790
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:04,840
Speaker 6: just done on a scale where the choreography and the

791
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 6: character is involved. In this case, the firepower involved is

792
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 6: so scary that we get a bigger feeling. But I

793
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:14,320
Speaker 6: think that if they're both written with the same amount

794
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:15,840
Speaker 6: of truth, like, if they both make sense in the

795
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 6: world narratively as much as each other, then them co

796
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:21,320
Speaker 6: existing is what like as a whole has made this

797
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 6: show so popular, sort of transcending the fantasy genre and

798
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 6: even in some cases transcending a popular TV show. Yeah,

799
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Speaker 6: and I think that that feeling you were just talking

800
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:32,800
Speaker 6: about having this this morning. A lot of people go

801
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 6: on Tumblr and they start to make posts, and a

802
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:37,759
Speaker 6: lot of people have been doing that recently, and some

803
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 6: people come online and make podcasts about it. But either way, like,

804
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 6: I think that this show is sort of grassroots creating

805
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 6: that feeling and folks again, even if it's only just

806
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:46,280
Speaker 6: for a couple of weeks, now it's happening.

807
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it.

808
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, when it comes to kind of a bit more

809
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 3: of the textual stuff here, we get the conversation with

810
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 3: Dre and where he pulls aside Dunk and talks to

811
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 3: him about his dream and kind of explains the notion

812
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:08,800
Speaker 3: of the dragon falling on him, but Dunk survives, And

813
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 3: what are you guys interpretations of the dream and what

814
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 3: are you bringing from the books, and kind of going

815
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Speaker 3: into more of a spoiler territory, So listeners beware.

816
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,359
Speaker 6: That's scary because I'm not sure what kind of people

817
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 6: that are commonly tuning in like what they're expecting the

818
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 6: prophecy to affect, because like there's a couple of ways

819
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Speaker 6: to look at. We were just talking about how the

820
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 6: performance that Darren's I forget the actor's name, but his portroyal.

821
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 6: First off, they've been hiding that name from us for

822
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 6: like the last year and a half, so that's not

823
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:44,360
Speaker 6: my fault at all. But second off, I think his

824
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 6: portrayal of the moment where he's talking about the prophecy

825
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 6: and how well it landed, at least for me personally

826
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 6: opened it up more than I thought it was going

827
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Speaker 6: to be for viewers originally. So for everyone that has

828
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:01,320
Speaker 6: read the novella's we've all kind of agreed that this

829
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Speaker 6: prophecy's about the trial itself, that the dragon that's going

830
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 6: to fall on top of Dunk While Dunk Survives is

831
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Speaker 6: literally the blocking that George writes novella of Baylor being

832
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 6: hit by make ours. I believe it's a mace and

833
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 6: his home breaks and etcetera, etcetera. But I think that

834
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:25,839
Speaker 6: the potential of it being something that maybe Ira wants

835
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 6: to adapt down the line more directly related with Summer Hall.

836
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Speaker 6: I think that's a part of George's prophecies, is that

837
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 6: some of it feels obvious and some of it doesn't

838
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:37,799
Speaker 6: feel obvious. And I think that ambiguity is probably fun

839
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:39,319
Speaker 6: when you're a writer because then you can just make

840
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:42,240
Speaker 6: up different stuff later. But also it seems more prophetic

841
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 6: because our prophecy is ever really true or do they

842
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 6: ever really perfectly fit in the first place. So a

843
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:49,880
Speaker 6: lot of us think it perfectly fits Baylor situation at

844
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 6: the end of the Hedge Night. But with the Crone

845
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 6: slash potentially Blood Raven slash potentially the Innkeeper from episode three,

846
00:45:57,760 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 6: and with this moment from Daryn, I think it's just

847
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 6: fun this point that we don't know what the showrunner

848
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:03,839
Speaker 6: is going to do with the series that we can

849
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 6: think for the series. Maybe it could mean something else

850
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 6: down the line, but it's pretty obviously what happens Ince's one.

851
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 3: Yeah.

852
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 1: Yeah. A conversation Rosanna had in our previous episode was,

853
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:18,240
Speaker 1: you know about Darren and Darren's gifts and his rejection

854
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 1: of them through you know, alcoholism, basically was that shouldn't

855
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 1: shouldn't the Targarians by now value a weirdo in their

856
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 1: family who says weird ship that comes to true. Shouldn't

857
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 1: they be like, shouldn't they shouldn't somebody Baylor, may Car

858
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 1: anyone have been like, hey, I think he's got that

859
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 1: Dani's gift, he's I think he's got something. Let's just

860
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:49,800
Speaker 1: like put him in a room with no alcohol and

861
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:55,280
Speaker 1: just record his dreams, like instead of always it seems

862
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 1: to be isolating that figure and just kind of casting

863
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 1: them side and ignoring them. You think a family that

864
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: has had so many important decisions prophecied for them, including

865
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:13,360
Speaker 1: the one that allowed them to survive the dooma Vilaria,

866
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 1: you'd think they'd pay attention to this stuff. And it's

867
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 1: crazy to me that they still don't.

868
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:21,400
Speaker 4: I completely agree. Well, and surely he has made prophecies

869
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:24,320
Speaker 4: or predictions or somethings throughout his lifetime.

870
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 6: Young Macer doesn't know about the child. Seven does we

871
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 6: haven't seen Dagger yet. Well, so he's separated, I think

872
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 6: from hockey. I think they've really let it go.

873
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:39,240
Speaker 1: Maybe well I agree a but you know, Maycar feels

874
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 1: to me like the kind of guy who's he's fully accepted. Listen,

875
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:47,280
Speaker 1: I'm pretty I'm like not first in the line of succession.

876
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:50,400
Speaker 1: I'm not probably not going to get there. And everybody

877
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 1: loves Baylor and I think he's the perfect guy to

878
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 1: take the throne. So I'm just like checking out of it.

879
00:47:57,719 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 1: I'm not reading history. I'm going to try and raise

880
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 1: myself's the best I can. I'm doing badly at it,

881
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:04,800
Speaker 1: but I'm not like involved in all the stuff. But

882
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:07,400
Speaker 1: you'd think that Baylor would be like, you know what,

883
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 1: as a student of my family's history, that kid's got something.

884
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:13,279
Speaker 1: We got to pay attention to it.

885
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 4: He does it dead, let's send him an egg off,

886
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 4: make it here on their own right.

887
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:22,880
Speaker 2: Also like he's drunk, like why are you putting him

888
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:23,760
Speaker 2: in charge of the child?

889
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 3: But also okay, so do you guys think it's maybe

890
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 3: more of like a Cassandra thing, where like they actually

891
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:32,320
Speaker 3: know that it's real, but they don't want to have

892
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:35,320
Speaker 3: someone who can prophesy stuff because photog Aarians, that usually

893
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 3: means bad stuff. And I wonder because it does just

894
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 3: feel like he distinctly says my dreams come true.

895
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:48,719
Speaker 2: Like there is obvious, excessive proof of this. Weans get

896
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:49,240
Speaker 2: it sorted.

897
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 4: It's a dangerous time to for the Targarians as a whole.

898
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:53,799
Speaker 4: I mean, it's kind of they have to be at

899
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 4: Ashford Meadow. It's embarrassing for them to be there, so

900
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 4: they don't need anymore else, you know. I think that

901
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 4: fighting him away and just trying to out of sight,

902
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 4: out of mind. Let's ignore what this guy has to

903
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:07,239
Speaker 4: say because we have enough drama to deal with and

904
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 4: we're already extremely downhill.

905
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:10,920
Speaker 1: On our reputation.

906
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 4: I mean maybe that's part of it too.

907
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 3: It's like you're saying that makes a lot of sense,

908
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 3: and the last thing we need is more people talking

909
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:20,439
Speaker 3: about talking about exactly or how bad out the house.

910
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 1: Right.

911
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:23,279
Speaker 6: Yeah, there's Arian on top, on the top of this

912
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 6: whole situation. I feel like Arian what Aaron becomes when

913
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 6: he eventually evolves into his second evolution Pokemon level of

914
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 6: Aran bright Flame, that that is a response to maybe

915
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 6: their lack of attention to those things or there's lots

916
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 6: of reasons why. I mean, there's the response to his

917
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 6: punishment after the trial that that goes down that he's

918
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 6: also having to personally process. But I think that maybe

919
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:49,799
Speaker 6: Dyron at this point just hasn't had any good predictions yet,

920
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 6: too much distracted, like he's thrown them off his scent

921
00:49:57,280 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 6: or something, because it definitely does seem wiggly, and when

922
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:02,320
Speaker 6: you meet him, the full impression I get as a

923
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:04,319
Speaker 6: viewer of the show cutting out everything that I've read

924
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:07,719
Speaker 6: as whoa, this is a this is a real targarian, Like, yeah,

925
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 6: this is this is not a side character. I'm so

926
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:12,239
Speaker 6: glad that they didn't cut him out. This is a

927
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 6: real targarian and it made me feel even more engrossed

928
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:17,759
Speaker 6: in the world. So I don't know, I'm sold on

929
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:21,320
Speaker 6: what he's saying, particularly about his prophetic visions, and so

930
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 6: I don't know why his family wouldn't be convinced too.

931
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 6: That is a little weird, because he could be he

932
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 6: could I guess. I guess we saw him sober. I

933
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 6: guess maybe his family, maybe his dad only sees him drunk.

934
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 6: But yeah, it seems weird that they would just let

935
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 6: him off like that or not trying to harness it.

936
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 1: You mentioned that the fortune teller from Camp is the

937
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:47,239
Speaker 1: same actor who plays the innkeeper. Any theories about why

938
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:51,319
Speaker 1: this was done, and you know, this is another thing

939
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:57,359
Speaker 1: we talked about, was was this this Camp soothsayer who

940
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:00,920
Speaker 1: at least initially appears like they're just kind of running

941
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:04,600
Speaker 1: a street bit like con which is how Dunk takes it.

942
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:07,840
Speaker 1: But of course the prophecy feels pretty right on for

943
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:12,279
Speaker 1: events that take place much later. Your thoughts about what

944
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 1: this could possibly mean.

945
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 4: I'm gonna say my un fun answer, and then you

946
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:17,960
Speaker 4: could say, are a fun answer.

947
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:18,759
Speaker 2: That we've had on the show.

948
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:20,279
Speaker 1: Yes, I also have.

949
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 4: My non fun answer is that they needed uh an

950
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 4: actress who could play both parts and her faces.

951
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 2: So that's what it is.

952
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:37,839
Speaker 4: Cheaper, cheaper this way, Yeah, exactly, cheaper, easier she's on set,

953
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 4: her face is covered. The other kind of part two

954
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 4: of the unfun answer is this one's mildly fun? Is

955
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:46,799
Speaker 4: that what the great thing about a Song of West

956
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 4: and Fire and George's Riding is that we get these prophecies,

957
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 4: or we get these really prophetic and profound things being

958
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 4: said by complete and total randoms and so not gonna

959
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:58,479
Speaker 4: be kind of fun that it's just like this lady

960
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:01,640
Speaker 4: who came down to get some for cash ended up

961
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:05,239
Speaker 4: saying something that could change the trajectory of Eggs life.

962
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:06,880
Speaker 4: That's kind of interesting.

963
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:10,800
Speaker 6: Or we've got theories what a useful gimmick for George

964
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 6: to have and actually that Okay, so I think you'll

965
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 6: are probably right that that might be the case. But

966
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 6: let's dig into it because we can, you know what

967
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:26,760
Speaker 6: I mean, Let's just make something up because we can. Okay,

968
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:30,360
Speaker 6: so it could be. And this is the more obvious

969
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:34,880
Speaker 6: head cannon crazy idea that that blood raven himself, Brendan

970
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:38,239
Speaker 6: Rivers has glamored himself into an innkeeper and pretended that

971
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:40,759
Speaker 6: he was an innkeeper. And he's also pretending to be

972
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:43,360
Speaker 6: the innkeeper, pretending to be a.

973
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:48,799
Speaker 1: Incredible He doesn't he doesn't have enough of a job

974
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 1: to do. Back. He's like, let me run over here

975
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:53,719
Speaker 1: and do this secret thing.

976
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:56,399
Speaker 6: He's not handed the king yet, so I mean, right now.

977
00:52:58,120 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 1: Who knows what they're doing?

978
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 6: Weird sh Yeah, he's totally right, right, I mean, this

979
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:07,960
Speaker 6: is the who's who the hand of the king is here.

980
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:10,719
Speaker 6: I feel like depending on his head state. I don't

981
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:12,919
Speaker 6: know how concerned he is with like ci a level

982
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 6: dictation of where the state goes until Baylor passes.

983
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 1: So I don't know. It could be a thing.

984
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:22,080
Speaker 6: The other option is that it's the innkeeper, and it's

985
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 6: it is the same actress, and it is the innkeeper.

986
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:29,000
Speaker 6: And as we've established with Dunk, she's annoyed about the

987
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:31,799
Speaker 6: sort of life being disrupted by something that doesn't really

988
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 6: benefit everyone, and so why not go to the attorney

989
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:37,360
Speaker 6: herself and make a couple extra dollars? She argued that

990
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:39,839
Speaker 6: they were going, and if she did, then she would

991
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:43,880
Speaker 6: have known that she was housing Dunk or sorry, that

992
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 6: she was housing Egg and she was housing Dayiron, and

993
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:48,279
Speaker 6: she would have she would have figured out who they

994
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:50,759
Speaker 6: were if they didn't tell her directly.

995
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:52,440
Speaker 1: Paying with big shiny gold coins.

996
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:57,879
Speaker 6: Rumor also about the two missing Targarians. Everyone's talking about

997
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:00,400
Speaker 6: it in extra, so put two and two together. So

998
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:03,480
Speaker 6: she probably really liked Dunk because they had a nice exchange,

999
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:04,840
Speaker 6: and so she was like, one day, you're going to

1000
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 6: be as rich as a lanister. And then to Egg,

1001
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:08,719
Speaker 6: she's like, you're gonna die, but you might become king.

1002
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:11,359
Speaker 6: But everyone's gonna be glad you died, see you later.

1003
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:13,560
Speaker 6: Like the energy of it. She didn't seem like she

1004
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:15,799
Speaker 6: was being too like that she had like a spring

1005
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 6: in her stuff. It seemed like she was having a pretty.

1006
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 1: Good time fun.

1007
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 3: And she was teaching Jason's thing that I really liked

1008
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 3: that he bought up that I'd love to ask you

1009
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 3: guys takes on. Could it be that, if she's just

1010
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 3: running a scam, is there something about the Targarians and

1011
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 3: their prophetic magic that could encourage even someone with the

1012
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:37,839
Speaker 3: tiniest bit of kind of scammer.

1013
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:39,120
Speaker 2: Level extra sense three perception.

1014
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:42,759
Speaker 3: Could it become a real prophecy simply because they are

1015
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:46,280
Speaker 3: close to the Targarians or it's in about the Targarians?

1016
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:49,400
Speaker 1: Right, This is the basis of this series. Is because

1017
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 1: I also feel like, in my head it is the innkeeper.

1018
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:59,359
Speaker 1: She got on her uh fortune teller outfit to make

1019
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:03,320
Speaker 1: a little extra money. She knew these folks from the

1020
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:05,799
Speaker 1: Inn and that's part of her scam. Is like, all right,

1021
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 1: they stayed at the end. I listened to their conversation, right, yeah,

1022
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 1: And Dunk is clearly you know he's a kid from

1023
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:14,000
Speaker 1: the streets, so flea bottom. He's seen this kind of

1024
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:16,839
Speaker 1: scam before, and he's, you know, fully is like, oh,

1025
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:20,359
Speaker 1: it's a scam and it's fun. But when she does

1026
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:24,920
Speaker 1: the egg part of it, there's she seems shocked by

1027
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:27,920
Speaker 1: what she said, like she kind of reels back like whoa, whoa,

1028
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:31,239
Speaker 1: keep going, keep going, which made which was like, Okay, now,

1029
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:34,880
Speaker 1: is there something about the Targarians that can awaken this

1030
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 1: your thoughts on that?

1031
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:40,160
Speaker 4: I think absolutely. I mean I think it ties into

1032
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:42,279
Speaker 4: what I was saying before, is that we see so

1033
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 4: often magic being channeled through absolute normies in a song

1034
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:49,239
Speaker 4: Rise Empire, and so her proximity or maybe she has

1035
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:51,400
Speaker 4: a little bit of the gift herself, like maybe she

1036
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:54,400
Speaker 4: has a drop of Dragon's blood and right from somewhere

1037
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 4: down the line. Yeah, and so I was able to

1038
00:55:56,760 --> 00:56:01,799
Speaker 4: activate or yeah, I completely I think it. I will

1039
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:06,239
Speaker 4: lean into this being a uh, well, we know it's

1040
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 4: a true prophecy, so I can't say that because we

1041
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:12,200
Speaker 4: know it's real, but I would lean yeah, no, utilizing

1042
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:16,719
Speaker 4: a gift in some way absolutely to be telling the truth.

1043
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:17,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1044
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 4: So I like the proximity of the Targarians thing.

1045
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:24,120
Speaker 6: So you're saying like that their little aura could have activated.

1046
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 3: It even almost like the dragon blood wants the prophecy

1047
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:33,239
Speaker 3: to come out, so it channels it through someone with

1048
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 3: a tiny bit of.

1049
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:37,400
Speaker 1: Or like the gods keep the gods keep giving the

1050
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 1: Targerian's prophecies, and then they keep ignoring the stuff. So

1051
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:42,600
Speaker 1: they're just like, I gotta these guys.

1052
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:51,080
Speaker 6: Tark alien conspiracy is even more potentially true because then

1053
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 6: the god pulling their string is just another intelligent life

1054
00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 6: form somewhere else. So it's less weird that some deedy

1055
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:00,399
Speaker 6: would be so interested in the Targetarians, but makes more

1056
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:03,400
Speaker 6: sense that the civilization they seeded on wester Us or

1057
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 6: planet Dos. Sure, but why would they only want them

1058
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 6: to be like prophesizing about daggers and stuff. Metallics they've

1059
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:14,440
Speaker 6: got like advanced compound physics.

1060
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 4: Come on. Well, Also, if you play into this, I

1061
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:18,560
Speaker 4: don't know if you guys have heard or been discussed

1062
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:22,080
Speaker 4: in the theory that the Seven themselves are represented in

1063
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:25,040
Speaker 4: Ashford and so we've got all this kind of godly

1064
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:27,520
Speaker 4: energy that's surrounding the tourney.

1065
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:29,200
Speaker 2: That makes a lot of sense.

1066
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:32,200
Speaker 3: Okay, guys, if the Seven is represented in Ashford. For

1067
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:35,160
Speaker 3: people who haven't necessarily picked up on that, like what

1068
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 3: is the representation and what should people be looking for

1069
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:40,440
Speaker 3: when they rewatch this episode Before episode five, I.

1070
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:45,480
Speaker 6: Think everyone disagrees we've got a couple definite shoe in answers, because,

1071
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:47,080
Speaker 6: like if you were to look at the novella in

1072
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:50,360
Speaker 6: the same way, a lot of folks select a specific

1073
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 6: paragraph of the novella where Dunks meaning the townspeople on

1074
00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:55,200
Speaker 6: the way out to this moment that just happened in

1075
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:58,240
Speaker 6: episode four. It wasn't adapted, but at the end of

1076
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Speaker 6: this paragraph, Steely Pate turned to him after Dunk asks

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Speaker 6: why are they Why is everyone doing all this for me?

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Speaker 6: And he goes, because you were a knight who remembered

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Speaker 6: his vows, and so for folks, that paragraph was a

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Speaker 6: succession of godlike entities that it's Steely Pay being the

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Speaker 6: smith sort of button up or buttoning up that conversation

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Speaker 6: in the show, Folks are thinking that the innkeeper we're

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Speaker 6: speaking about is the representation of the crone, Baylor being

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Speaker 6: the father, Steely Pay being the smith.

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Speaker 2: I think those are the only three that everyone.

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Speaker 6: At the end of the season episode five, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I'm very if you think about three stranger.

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Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, and the stranger coming at the end of

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Speaker 6: the episode how many is that?

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Speaker 1: I love that you're taking a list because.

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Speaker 2: I did that.

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Speaker 3: I'm writing it down, I'm like hypothetically because also then

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Speaker 3: if we think about it, then we've technically basically got

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Speaker 3: four episodes, four people and we so it will be

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Speaker 3: interesting to see if they are able to, you know,

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Speaker 3: what they do in the next couple of episodes.

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Speaker 2: But I love that reading and that.

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Speaker 3: Quote makes so much sense because also as well, I

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Speaker 3: love I really love that you brought that out, because

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Speaker 3: I feel like that runs through this whole episode, but

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Speaker 3: in a way that doesn't even need to be explained,

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Speaker 3: the notion of like, he doesn't need to ask why

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Speaker 3: people are doing it for him because we know why

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Speaker 3: because we saw what he did and we know it

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Speaker 3: was the right thing. So I kind of love that

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Speaker 3: they said we're going to trust the audience to understand.

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Speaker 3: But in the book, it has that kind of textual notion.

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Speaker 3: Oh that's fun.

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Speaker 4: It does.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it is emotional. It makes you feel like what

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Speaker 6: they did with the music and stuff here oh the

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Speaker 6: episode they like, oh my god, they transferred in a

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Speaker 6: pretty good way. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the drop was absolutely invigorating. As we head towards

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Speaker 1: the end, now, is there anything you're particularly excited about

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Speaker 1: seeing and again spoiler conversation, which we've been spoiling throughout

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Speaker 1: the throughout the discoversage, anything in particular that you're you're

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Speaker 1: excited for.

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Speaker 4: I would say there's two things I'm really excited for.

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Speaker 4: They talked about before the series aired. They talked about

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Speaker 4: the final episode kind of being the emotional fallout of

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Speaker 4: what happens in and out of the Seven Kingdoms, and

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Speaker 4: so we get a little bit of that and then

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Speaker 4: in the novella. But I'm really excited to see how

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Speaker 4: those loose ends get tied up on screen, just because

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Speaker 4: the emotional weight that we've gone through in the last

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Speaker 4: handful of weeks, I think is going to be really exciting.

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Speaker 4: And then, like, really spoiler you looking ahead, I've been

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Speaker 4: non stop thinking about The Mystery Night, which is the

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Speaker 4: third novella, and I'm very just kind of based on

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Speaker 4: some of the breadcrumbs that they've put in this first

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Speaker 4: season alluding to some of the big themes in The

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Speaker 4: Mystery Night, I just have so much confidence and hype

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Speaker 4: and excitement for how they're going to continue to adapt

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Speaker 4: the story.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, That's what I was two seasons away, but yeah,

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Speaker 6: that's going.

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Speaker 1: To be really yeah, to look forward to something exactly

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Speaker 1: final question of dunk knighted or not knighted?

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Speaker 6: Oh okay, listen.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 6: I think it's just like the innkeeper conversation we were having.

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Speaker 6: We can go, we have a had a couple of

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Speaker 6: puzzle boxes put in front of us, like a what

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Speaker 6: is it an electronic superposition?

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Speaker 1: Basically, right, the schrot Cat issue going on?

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Speaker 6: Right, he walks away, and some people interpret him he's

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Speaker 6: looking up at Sir Arreland in the sky. Some people

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Speaker 6: interpret it that he's looking up at Sir Arland while

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Speaker 6: he's nighting him. Sir Arlyn looking down a hi from

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Speaker 6: the sky was going, yeah, you put yourself in the scenario, man,

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Speaker 6: Sir Arlyn nighting him goes maybe I forgot all the words,

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Speaker 6: but you're still knighted.

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Speaker 1: So that's two options. I think, yeah, there are. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I kind of read it as either Sir Arlyn being like,

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Speaker 1: well I meant to but I didn't, Sir Arlen saying

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Speaker 1: well you wanted this and this is what it is.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, this is actually what it really is to

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Speaker 2: be and this is what it's about.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I also think that that fits with Dunk,

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Speaker 3: because Dunk is also actually very aware of the realities

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Speaker 3: of what being a knight is and that if he

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Speaker 3: knights Raymond foss Away, he's likely going to die. So

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Speaker 3: the second time I was watching it, I was also like, well,

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Speaker 3: if he does this and allows this man to fight,

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Speaker 3: that he could also be worried about that. It's not

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Speaker 3: distinctly just about that. If he didn't get knighted, then

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Speaker 3: his deception becomes, you know, impacts Raymond's life.

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Speaker 2: I don't think it's just that.

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Speaker 3: I think there's a lot of other ways that it

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Speaker 3: can be read, and I think that is to the

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Speaker 3: testament of the show that like and I yeah, it's.

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Speaker 2: Just so well done. And really this time I was like, Okay,

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Speaker 2: there's so.

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Speaker 3: Many reasons Dunk could have been nervous about it and

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Speaker 3: not immediately just done it.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't just mean that. But I love how vegue

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Speaker 2: is in our.

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Speaker 1: Own way, which is yeude, yeah, yeah, well, uh, Jack

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Speaker 1: and Hannah tell our listeners where they can find your stuff.

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Speaker 6: Game of oones dot com or just search Game of

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Speaker 6: Oones and all the places that podcasts are YouTube, Spotify, Apple,

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Speaker 6: all that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we do about two episodes a week, so come

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Speaker 4: join us and talk a night of the Seven Kingdoms

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Speaker 4: with us.

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Speaker 1: Hell yea, yeah, this was such a fun conversation. We

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Speaker 1: hope you'll come back. Sick and Hannah, thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: Yes, thank you so much for having us.

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Speaker 3: This is great.

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Speaker 1: That's the end of our episode. Thanks so much for listening.

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Speaker 1: Bye x ray Vision is hosted by Jason SEPs You

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Speaker 1: and Rosie Night and is a production of iHeart Podcast.

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Speaker 3: Our executive producers are Joelminique and Aaron Kolefman.

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Speaker 3: Par Our producers are Common Laurent Dean Jonathan and Bai Wag.

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Speaker 1: A theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate theme

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Speaker 1: songs by Aaron Kauffman.

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