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Speaker 3: Episode four point thirty Stephen Curtis Chapman. There are some

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Speaker 4: Like she was like, oh, you know what record? I

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Speaker 3: And it's on the calendar, but she's like my calendar

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Speaker 3: So when she was growing up, my wife, they would

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Speaker 4: So, but she's a fan. My in laws are massive fans.

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Speaker 3: They they'll be like a big country star over and

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Speaker 3: So he's such a nice guy. I'm lucky to know

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Speaker 3: but the same night, he celebrated fifty career number one

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Speaker 3: So we're talking about that. He's celebrating all this by

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Speaker 3: you guys go follow Stephen Curtis Chapman at Stephen Curtis Chapman.

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Speaker 4: But it's like he's a superstar.

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Speaker 4: Nice people and that's okay, I don't care.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, my favorite thing about Paduca is it

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Speaker 1: That was when the Opry was there, was before the

440
00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:52,680
Speaker 1: Opry House was built. He'd go to the Rhyman. He

441
00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:54,760
Speaker 1: couldn't buy a ticket, he couldn't afford a ticket, but

442
00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:56,960
Speaker 1: that back in the day they didn't have air conditioned yet,

443
00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:59,400
Speaker 1: and in the summer they'd open the windows. And he said,

444
00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:01,000
Speaker 1: I'd sit in my car, roll the window down, and

445
00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:03,880
Speaker 1: I'd listened to the Opry and think, someday I want

446
00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:04,679
Speaker 1: to be on that stage.

447
00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:05,359
Speaker 2: That's my dream.

448
00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:07,359
Speaker 1: Because he you know, and he loved he'd listened to

449
00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:08,560
Speaker 1: it on WSM when I.

450
00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:09,040
Speaker 2: Was a kid.

451
00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:11,760
Speaker 1: If the weather was just right. You're two hours away

452
00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:15,280
Speaker 1: from Paducah. You could get you could pick up WSM

453
00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:18,720
Speaker 1: and you could hear the Opry. And I remember being

454
00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:20,879
Speaker 1: in the car my dad would it is crack, you know,

455
00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:22,840
Speaker 1: it's all this static and all of a sudden you'd

456
00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:25,240
Speaker 1: hear you know, well you make right with Martha White,

457
00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:27,280
Speaker 1: you know, you'd hear one of the little commercials. And

458
00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:29,760
Speaker 1: Dad goes, hey, that's it. That's the Opry. Hey, yo,

459
00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:33,359
Speaker 1: everybody hush, you know, listen, that's the Opry. And you know,

460
00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:36,040
Speaker 1: it was just this reverence of man, that's music, that's

461
00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:40,960
Speaker 1: where it comes from. And so fast forward. Gosh, you know,

462
00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:46,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, forty forty fifty years I do a

463
00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:49,360
Speaker 1: bluegrass record, which I've always wanted to do because that's

464
00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:51,800
Speaker 1: the music. My dad really grew up bluegrass and folk

465
00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:56,320
Speaker 1: music and all that. And and I was releasing my

466
00:21:56,480 --> 00:22:00,960
Speaker 1: bluegrass record called Deeper Roots and Ricky, Ricky, come do

467
00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:03,199
Speaker 1: something with me on it, and my dad sang on

468
00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:05,240
Speaker 1: it with me and my brother. We did a bunch

469
00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:08,040
Speaker 1: of old stuff we grew up with. And I called

470
00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:09,280
Speaker 1: dad and I said, hey, I want you to come

471
00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:12,119
Speaker 1: to Nashville. I'm gonna I'm gonna debut my new record,

472
00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:14,600
Speaker 1: and I want you to come perform with me. So

473
00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:16,399
Speaker 1: he walked out on the stage of the Grand Ole

474
00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:20,000
Speaker 1: Opry and he was eighty I think he was like

475
00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:23,679
Speaker 1: eighty years old, seventy seventy nine, and walked out and

476
00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:25,600
Speaker 1: we sang together, me and my dad on the stage

477
00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:26,479
Speaker 1: of the Grand Ole Opry.

478
00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:28,960
Speaker 2: So he made it, you know, that's awesome. Isn't that

479
00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:29,639
Speaker 2: a great story?

480
00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:33,040
Speaker 3: What a great thing to be able to ask him too? Yeah,

481
00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:36,960
Speaker 3: Like I want you to come and do this with me. Yeah,

482
00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:39,159
Speaker 3: we can do this together, something you've always wanted to do.

483
00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:40,480
Speaker 2: That is such a cool story.

484
00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:52,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, hang tight, The Bobby Cast will be right back. Wow,

485
00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:54,720
Speaker 5: and we're back on the Bobby Cast.

486
00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,200
Speaker 2: You remember the first time we played the opry Yeah

487
00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:01,720
Speaker 2: I do. Yeah. I was nineteen years old.

488
00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:05,440
Speaker 1: I worked at opry Land, USA, which was an old

489
00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:07,560
Speaker 1: It was an amusement park that was here forever.

490
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:08,800
Speaker 2: I don't even know you probably.

491
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,439
Speaker 3: I wasn't remember, no, but I knew about it, and

492
00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:12,680
Speaker 3: I know a lot about it now.

493
00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:13,199
Speaker 2: Okay.

494
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:16,960
Speaker 1: So I graduated high school nineteen eighty one in Paducah.

495
00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:19,720
Speaker 1: It was on my way to to I was going

496
00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:22,520
Speaker 1: to go be a dentist. I don't don't ask me

497
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 1: why my dad, I.

498
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:25,000
Speaker 3: Can tell you why you met a nice dentist in

499
00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:27,280
Speaker 3: your house? I left you three dollars. That's right there,

500
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:27,600
Speaker 3: you go.

501
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:29,680
Speaker 1: You're probably I've never even thought about that. It's like,

502
00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,840
Speaker 1: why did I think dentist? Probably that guy because my dad,

503
00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:34,480
Speaker 1: Plus my dad told me it was really hard to

504
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:36,840
Speaker 1: make a living feet of family playing a guitar because

505
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:38,680
Speaker 1: he had done it for like four years. He said,

506
00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:41,400
Speaker 1: he said, go get a real job, go get an education.

507
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:44,880
Speaker 1: Dabbling music, you're great, You're talented, but man, so few

508
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,000
Speaker 1: guys can make a living doing it. So so I

509
00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:48,920
Speaker 1: was like, all right, so I'll do the right thing,

510
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:49,199
Speaker 1: you know.

511
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:49,880
Speaker 2: So I was off.

512
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,199
Speaker 1: I was going to go to college and major in

513
00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:55,920
Speaker 1: whatever pre mad pre dentistry I guess, I don't even know.

514
00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:57,280
Speaker 2: But but the.

515
00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:01,119
Speaker 1: Summer before I went to college graduate high school, my brother,

516
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,320
Speaker 1: older brother, and I came to Nashville and auditioned at

517
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 1: opry Land to try to get a summer.

518
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:09,600
Speaker 2: Job, you know, and playing music, playing music in one

519
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:10,600
Speaker 2: of the shows. Made it.

520
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:13,200
Speaker 1: Got got in one of the shows called Country Music USA.

521
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:20,639
Speaker 1: Country Music USA. You dress up like the artists, you know, uh.

522
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,679
Speaker 2: Porter Wagner, I remember I did. Porter Wagner. Wore the

523
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:22,360
Speaker 2: suit or.

524
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:24,000
Speaker 1: The suit and walk out and you do the suit

525
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:27,320
Speaker 1: which was donated. It was an actual one of Porter's

526
00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:29,720
Speaker 1: suits that he donated. And I'd come out and do

527
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,040
Speaker 1: George Jones he stopped loving her today and I come

528
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,879
Speaker 1: out and do you know, and flatten scrugs and you know,

529
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:36,720
Speaker 1: you dressed up, put the hat on, came out and

530
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:38,480
Speaker 1: did a chorus of the song. It was just a

531
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:41,840
Speaker 1: you know, it was a variety show basically, and did

532
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:44,720
Speaker 1: that for the summer, and I got a phone call

533
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:49,280
Speaker 1: one day that uh they said, hey, would you come

534
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:51,720
Speaker 1: do the Grandell Opry. Uh you want to sing on

535
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:55,040
Speaker 1: the Opry? I was like, like the Opry just on

536
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:57,840
Speaker 1: the stage. I'm like, yeah, it's a strict question. And

537
00:24:57,880 --> 00:24:59,600
Speaker 1: they said, well, we bring kids from the park every

538
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 1: now and then and we call it the Future Stars

539
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 1: of Country Music or whatever, and we just bring, you know,

540
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 1: some of the kids from the park and it's kind

541
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 1: of a promo to send people to go out in

542
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:12,120
Speaker 1: the park and buy tickets and and so, uh, they said, come,

543
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:14,159
Speaker 1: you know, we want you to You've been invited to

544
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:15,240
Speaker 1: come play the Opry.

545
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 2: I was nineteen.

546
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,120
Speaker 1: I told call my dad, of course, who at this point,

547
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,360
Speaker 1: I was like, Dad, guess what I'm going to see

548
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 1: on a grande ole Opry.

549
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 2: So he came, my mom, my grandmother, my brother.

550
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 1: Uh, it was sitting out there and Roy Acuff introduced

551
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:31,479
Speaker 1: me and I walked out on the stage and uh,

552
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:33,960
Speaker 1: and my big song in the show kind of my

553
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:38,159
Speaker 1: big moment in the show in the Park was the

554
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 1: announcer would say the incomparable George Jones, and I'd sing,

555
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 1: he stop loving her today, and do the course of

556
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 1: he's loving her today. So I walked out on the

557
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 1: stage and Roy introduced me, and uh, I sang the

558
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 1: first line he stopped loving her today, and then I

559
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:53,800
Speaker 1: went completely blank.

560
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:55,400
Speaker 2: I couldn't remember the words no.

561
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:57,680
Speaker 1: It freaked me out so much because I'm on the

562
00:25:57,680 --> 00:25:59,200
Speaker 1: Grand Ole Opry and I look at the audience and

563
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 1: my dad and my mom. I'm like, and i couldn't

564
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:05,879
Speaker 1: remember the words true story. And I'm like, Okay, this

565
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 1: is bad.

566
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:07,120
Speaker 2: I'm on the.

567
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:10,159
Speaker 1: Grand Ole Opry, my dad, every face and Roy is

568
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 1: standing there, and so it seemed like about two hours.

569
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 1: It was probably about, you know, twenty seconds. But I'm like,

570
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,199
Speaker 1: and the band keeps playing, and I could hear the

571
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 1: band behind me going they placed a reef up on

572
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 1: his door.

573
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:26,159
Speaker 2: They're trying to get me the words.

574
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:26,359
Speaker 3: You know.

575
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:31,200
Speaker 1: Everybody's like just dying for me. And so I suddenly

576
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 1: get the words back and I'm like, hey, f laster

577
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 1: wreath's door, finish the song, get done, and crowds you know,

578
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,960
Speaker 1: super sweet, like, oh, we loved it. Roy walks over.

579
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 1: This is a true story. He said, he's like ninety

580
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 1: at this time. He's very you know, he's late in

581
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:50,359
Speaker 1: his years already. And he said, well, Steve, sounds like

582
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 1: you forgot the words there for a minute, you know,

583
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 1: not gonna let it go.

584
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:56,639
Speaker 2: I'm like, thank you, and I am not kidding.

585
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:58,879
Speaker 1: The first thing that came to mind, which is terrible,

586
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,120
Speaker 1: and I feel bad. This is not a kind thing

587
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 1: to do. This, This will show the real you know,

588
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 1: the other side of Stephen Chris Shabban. The first thing

589
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:09,679
Speaker 1: that came to mind is this is when George was

590
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 1: no show Jones and that's what they called him. He

591
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 1: would come on stage, sing a song, fall off stage

592
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 1: and they you know, it's terrible. And the first thing

593
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 1: came to mind is I just said, well, Roy, no,

594
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 1: I didn't forget the words.

595
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:22,639
Speaker 2: I just wanted to sing it like George does it

596
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 2: these days.

597
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 3: Funny, that's funny. I don't think it's not kind.

598
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 2: I think it's pretty funny. It was pretty and the

599
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 2: crowd thought it was hilarious.

600
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:31,240
Speaker 1: And I walked off stage and Roy looked at me

601
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:34,719
Speaker 1: and he said, well, Son, I don't know about your voice.

602
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 2: I don't know about your music. I don't know.

603
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,639
Speaker 1: But if you can pull that off at this age

604
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 1: in front of that crowd, I think you just might

605
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 1: make it in this business.

606
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:45,120
Speaker 3: So when you finished that show, and again, I've had

607
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 3: situations too where I just blank for whatever reason, did.

608
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 2: You have a lack of confidence?

609
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:54,679
Speaker 3: Ordered was your ability to recover so good that you

610
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:56,680
Speaker 3: felt you could then do anything because you had already

611
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 3: done it bad and got yourself out of it.

612
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:00,920
Speaker 1: I think that was I think that was probably more

613
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 1: than anything, because I remember my dad coming back and

614
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 1: I thought my dad. I knew he wouldn't be disappointed,

615
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 1: and he's been my biggest fan, but I just felt

616
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 1: I felt bad and Dad. My dad was like, you

617
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 1: know what, Elvis forgot the word son, But what you

618
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 1: did with that, that's awesome. You just you you won

619
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 1: the crowd and that's that's a performer. That's what an

620
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:21,679
Speaker 1: entertainer can do. And you got that in you. So

621
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:22,479
Speaker 1: way to go?

622
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 3: You know, did your dad do you get to see

623
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 3: him perform like openly in places like where you would

624
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 3: go and just sit and be in awe of your dad.

625
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:31,359
Speaker 2: Yeah.

626
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 1: When I was a kid, he was in a group.

627
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,399
Speaker 1: They were called the Village Singers, and and uh he

628
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 1: I'd go watch him perform. That's my earliest memories really

629
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 1: are watching my dad play. We had a little Kentucky

630
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 1: village Kentucky dam which is in Kentucky. There's there's Kentucky

631
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 1: Lake and Berkley Lake and laying between the lakes area.

632
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 1: And my dad was in a group called the Village

633
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 1: the Village Singers, and they would perform every weekend at

634
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 1: the Kentucky Damn Village.

635
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 2: Area like a boy band or like with instruments. No,

636
00:28:58,440 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 2: it was bluegrat it was folks.

637
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, they played rocky top and you know, and then

638
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 1: Dad would see Green Green Grass of Home.

639
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 2: I hate that song too. I can't Arkansas, some sweet

640
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 2: home Alabama, you.

641
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 3: Know, I can take that song. That's really one of

642
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 3: the cooler entrances. I will go down to tuscle Loos

643
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 3: and watch us get our brains beat down.

644
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 2: Are you Alabama fan? I am? I have My daughter

645
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 2: is a cheerleader at Alabama.

646
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 3: Well, I've spent many, many miserable but also really cool

647
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 3: weekends down there. Because you know, they have all the

648
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 3: statues of all the coaches that won national championships and

649
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 3: you know Saban their six or or how you know,

650
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 3: installed all the coaches are.

651
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 2: There, Bear Bryant.

652
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then they play Sweet Home Alabama or the entrance.

653
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 3: I hate to say it, but it's pretty cool.

654
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 2: It's pretty cool, I know.

655
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, So, why did your daughter choose Alabama?

656
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of a crazy story. Matte.

657
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 1: So I have two my so I have six kids,

658
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 1: three biological, and then we adopted three girls from China.

659
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 1: And so my oldest daughter, the oldest adopted daughter, sho Hannah.

660
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 1: It's kind of a brainiac of smarty pants. And she

661
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 1: was going to go to Duke or Vanderbilt or one

662
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 1: of this. She was looking at at ivy Leaves and

663
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 1: she's like, Arkansas, Yeah, that was right there.

664
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 2: Tell And she.

665
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 1: A friend of ours said, who had a daughter similar

666
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 1: very high, I mean my daughter. Okay, Dad Bragg for

667
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:27,479
Speaker 1: a minute, got like a thirty five on the act.

668
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 1: At thirty six is perfect, you know, I got one away.

669
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 1: So it's like, okay, she's probably going to go do

670
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 1: some you know, go somewhere. And she but a good

671
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 1: friend who had a daughter similar to her academically said, man,

672
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 1: I was not Alabama's nowhere on our radar, but they

673
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 1: offered our daughter. They're trying to get her there on

674
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 1: a pole vaulting scholarship. But she went and visited the

675
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 1: Honors College and was blown away and said, I know, Showey,

676
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 1: I know kind of her you know sort of thing,

677
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 1: her intellect and all that and academic leaning. You ought

678
00:30:58,720 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 1: to go check it out. So we went down.

679
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 2: They're just she's looking at schools. She's a junior in

680
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 2: high school.

681
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 1: And went down and we were blown away every every

682
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 1: one of the like, especially the Honors College. They were

683
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 1: really working hard to bring a lot of those kind

684
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: of students, sort of the higher you know, academic students

685
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 1: in and so our daughter show he said, I think I'm.

686
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 2: Gonna go to Alabama.

687
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 1: And my wife, who's a massive college sports fan, was like, okay,

688
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 1: I'm good with that.

689
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 2: We can go watch football games.

690
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 3: But I'm also thinking, you guys aren't Alabama fans right then,

691
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 3: Like you're not, no.

692
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 2: No, no, no, got it.

693
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's Ohio from Ohio, so she's kind of a

694
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 1: buck Eye fan.

695
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 2: I grew up in Kentucky.

696
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 1: But it's sadly, I'm I'm pretty sports dumb until I

697
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 1: met my wife, in fact, to the degree that the

698
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 1: first year we were married, she looked at me and

699
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 1: started talking about how excited she was for uh, for

700
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 1: March Madness and this guy from Kentucky. And I'm just

701
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 1: confessing here, you probably will never have me on your

702
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 1: show again. I said out of this mouth. Now tell

703
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 1: me again, what's March madness? I'm not really sure and

704
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 1: she looked at me like, is it too late to

705
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 1: anno all this marriage, I've been to a Kentucky guy

706
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 1: who doesn't know what the heck like, what How's that possible?

707
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 1: So that's what she's had to deal with. So we

708
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 1: were not necessarily Alabama fans. We have some good friends,

709
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 1: very dear friends who are massive went to Alabama big fans.

710
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 1: So we've watched some games. I figured I learned who

711
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 1: Nick Saban was. I was shamed when I said who

712
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 1: is that? So I've quickly learned and so Shoey went

713
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 1: loved it.

714
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 2: Our daughter.

715
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 1: Her below her Stevie Joy, is an amazing cheerleaders always

716
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 1: she's a gymnast. Wanted a cheer incidentally at Kentucky because

717
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 1: they have like the best cheer program in the nation

718
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 1: and win a lot of you know, championship. They have

719
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 1: a big competition then where they do co ed championship

720
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 1: cheerleading thing in Florida, And she watched it every year.

721
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 2: On TV and takes notes and like that's where I

722
00:32:59,080 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 2: want to go.

723
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 1: And then they had a big blow up fired all

724
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 1: the cheer staff her junior year and so her second

725
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 1: choice was Alabama. It's in a great program too, cheer program.

726
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 1: So she ended up going there, following in her sister steps.

727
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 1: So now we've we're in our sixth year show. He graduated,

728
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,959
Speaker 1: got her masters in social work from Alabama, and then

729
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 1: now Stevie Joy's a junior getting ready to cheer at

730
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 1: the Rose Bowl.

731
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 3: That's pretty cool.

732
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 2: So we're pretty excited. That's a really watcher. That's really cool.

733
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, you have fifty number ones. If I said you

734
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 3: have to name all fifty of them or the earth explodes,

735
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 3: could you name all fifty of them? Oh?

736
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 2: Man, if the earth, I'll do you.

737
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 3: The ball players to him like you have to make

738
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 3: nine out of ten three pointers unguarded or the earth explodes,

739
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 3: could you do it?

740
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 2: Could you name off? I'm not gonna ask you to.

741
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 2: I don't think so, I don't know I might. I've

742
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 2: looked at the list now enough.

743
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 1: Because I'm doing something on social media where I'm doing

744
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 1: the chorus of all number one songs kind of over

745
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 1: the time, So.

746
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 2: I've looked over the list. But I would get close.

747
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 2: I think i'd get close.

748
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 1: I could go through the albums in my head and

749
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:09,880
Speaker 1: I I would. I think I could get forty five,

750
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 1: if not all fifty.

751
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 3: Looking at the list of people who have had fifty

752
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 3: number ones just anywhere, well, there's like four people. I mean,

753
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 3: it's it's you, It's Madonna was one, Yeah, as I heard, Yeah,

754
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 3: there is another one and George trach oh Man. Yeah,

755
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 3: so all four you should have done a record.

756
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 2: Some pretty good company. Yeah, is there like a text

757
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 2: threat you guys are well? Yeah? Yeah, Conway noted George

758
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 2: and Madonna.

759
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 1: Just know boy, that would be yeah, the three we

760
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 1: need to figure out a way to do a trio.

761
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 2: You know, where did it? What?

762
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 3: What's up with the kurt the middle name? Why?

763
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, Curtis question. Okay, So my best my dad's best friend.

764
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 1: Funny, we were talking about the opry and talking about

765
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 1: all that my dad grew up with a guy named Jack.

766
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,400
Speaker 1: Curtis Martin Jack's dream my dad's dreams guitar player. They

767
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,800
Speaker 1: grew up playing music together. Jack was a doughbro player

768
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 1: and slide yeah, slide guitars, use a slide and lay

769
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 1: it like a guitar resonator and uh and and Jack

770
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:17,800
Speaker 1: became doughbro player for uh Flatt and Scrugs and played

771
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,399
Speaker 1: on the opry for years. So he made it big time.

772
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 1: So anyway, that's where my meddle name Curtis comes from.

773
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:23,800
Speaker 1: Jack Curtis Martin.

774
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 2: So it's not your middle name, No, it is my name.

775
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,360
Speaker 2: So my name is Chapman.

776
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 1: So I come to Nashville. I'm Steve Chapman. That's all

777
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 1: I've ever been. I mean, I'm a Paduca boy. You

778
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 1: don't use you know, you use your middle name when

779
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 1: you're in trouble.

780
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 2: That's it.

781
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 1: That's why you have a middle name. And if I

782
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 1: heard Stephen Curtis Chapman, that was you know, get in

783
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:47,359
Speaker 1: here right now, Stephen. And so I come to town. Uh

784
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 1: there's a guy, uh songwriter named Steve Chapman and his

785
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:54,320
Speaker 1: wife Annie, and they do music together.

786
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:55,439
Speaker 2: And Uh.

787
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 1: In fact, when I was a kid, I had an

788
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 1: album from a group called Dogwood who was comprised of

789
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:03,319
Speaker 1: Steve and Annie Chapman and one other guy. So I

790
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:04,799
Speaker 1: thought it was cool because I had a record with

791
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 1: Steve Chapman's name on it, and they kind of did folk.

792
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 1: It was sort of gospel, but it was kind of

793
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 1: folk music. And so I knew there was another Steve Chapman,

794
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 1: but I thought, I don't even know if he's still

795
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:18,800
Speaker 1: doing this. So I get to town and all of

796
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 1: a sudden, all these people are confusing me because I'm

797
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:25,760
Speaker 1: in gospel Christian music. They're like, is that Steve? Waitmen,

798
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:27,799
Speaker 1: Steve Chapman's married to Annie? Why is he talking about

799
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:29,800
Speaker 1: Mary Beth? Did they get it? You know what happened?

800
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 1: And so literally my record when I first started writing,

801
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 1: my publisher came and said, royalty checks are getting confused,

802
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 1: you know, BM, I didn't know, is this that Steve

803
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 1: or which Steve Chapman? You need to come up with

804
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 1: a different name. And Steve, actually Steve and Annie's son

805
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 1: is Nathan Chapman, who went on to produce Taylor Swift

806
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 1: and is a country music guy, great guy, and I

807
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 1: met him at baggage claim one day when he saw

808
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 1: my bag go by, and he said, so you're the

809
00:36:58,480 --> 00:36:59,320
Speaker 1: other Steve Chapman.

810
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 2: That's not my dad that everybody wonders if.

811
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 3: I'm your kids are not related at all?

812
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 2: Uh, not related at all?

813
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just assumed you were really Yeah, yeah, yeah,

814
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 3: I cousins.

815
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 2: His dad is yeah, but his dad is Steve.

816
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 1: And so they literally one day I walk in and

817
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:22,720
Speaker 1: my at the time publisher and I was just starting

818
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: to talk about doing a record somewhere down the road.

819
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 1: But I'd been passed by everybody at the time over

820
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,839
Speaker 1: as as an artist. I had had some success as

821
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 1: a writer, so people were interested in signing me for

822
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 1: my publishing, but no one was interested in signing me

823
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 1: as a as an artist. And so they said, hey,

824
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,479
Speaker 1: if we're going to do this one thing, we'd feel

825
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 1: like you got to do something different with your name

826
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:48,360
Speaker 1: because people are going to get you confused, not know

827
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 1: you're a different guy, and so what do you think

828
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:54,359
Speaker 1: And literally it was like, well, see, can Steven Chapman work.

829
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 2: I'll just put my you know in on the end

830
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 2: of it.

831
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 1: And they said no, it's not different though, And I

832
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,359
Speaker 1: said well, and they and what's your middle name? I said,

833
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 1: what's Curtis? Curtis Chapman that sounded like an R and

834
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 1: B artist or something didn't feel like me. And I

835
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 1: was like, man, I don't know. They said, well, we'll

836
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 1: just use your whole names Chapman, I won't get confusing,

837
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 1: and and that was kind of it.

838
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 2: Now, did you feel like regal?

839
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,959
Speaker 3: Because I feel like it I got very weird because

840
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:22,919
Speaker 3: it just your name, saying your name. I just feel

841
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:27,240
Speaker 3: like I'm doing something like an illegal room Stephen Curtis Chapman.

842
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 3: And I've said it forever because I was listening to

843
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:30,320
Speaker 3: you forever.

844
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 2: But it's three names.

845
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 1: It's kind of it's kind of it sounds a little pretentious,

846
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 1: and fortunately or unfortunate, I don't know when I was

847
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 1: a kid, and because I was still a kid when

848
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 1: that was all happening, I mean I was twenty one

849
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:45,840
Speaker 1: years old when twenty two when that was being talked about,

850
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 1: and I think I don't even know. I didn't even

851
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 1: know what the word pretentious meant. Probably so it was

852
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 1: just kind of like, well, it's my name. I mean,

853
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 1: I don't know what else to do, you know, Steven C.

854
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:55,320
Speaker 2: Chapman.

855
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 1: They're like, nah, it's not in a Michael W. Smith

856
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 1: that's working. But so it's funny. I just yeah, it

857
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 1: felt it felt like a lot. But they were all

858
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 1: for it, and I was, you know, I'm like, well

859
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 1: who am I'd argue with the the you know, the experts.

860
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 2: You know, they know what they're talking about.

861
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 3: When you were deciding what you're gonna do with your career,

862
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 3: was it always non secular?

863
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 2: Secular? You're picking what kind of did you know you

864
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 2: were going to do?

865
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:23,880
Speaker 3: Christian music? Was that just a big part of your life?

866
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 3: How did you end up choosing that as your selection

867
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:28,799
Speaker 3: of what you were going to do.

868
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a good, great question. Is a question my

869
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:33,319
Speaker 1: dad and I talked a lot about because my dad

870
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 1: had such a love.

871
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 2: For country music. Did you not? I did?

872
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 3: No.

873
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:39,360
Speaker 2: I love it. I grew up with it and loved it.

874
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 1: And you know it's like, like I said, my job

875
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 1: at opry Land. Before opry Land, there was a little

876
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 1: opry Land want to be in Kentucky close to Kentucky

877
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 1: Lake called Kentuck Territory. That was my first music gig

878
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 1: when I was I mean, other than playing music around Paducah,

879
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 1: you know, when I was a kid. But I got

880
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 1: a summer job there before I got the job opry Land.

881
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:03,919
Speaker 1: And uh played music there, same kind of deal again,

882
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 1: it was just way smaller, smaller time kind of a

883
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 1: little part, but it was we played bluegrass and country

884
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 1: music and sang you know all that. So I've always

885
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 1: loved it. I mean the music, the music that influenced

886
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 1: me as a kid. Still my probably favorite singer in

887
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 1: the world is Glenn Campbell.

888
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 3: I was literally gonna ask you about going kenvill next, yeah,

889
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 3: because I'm market's always such a big gil.

890
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 2: But it's not a better singer. I'm gonna pin that

891
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 2: to come back to it. Yeah, yeah, I do so

892
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 2: so so yeah, so that's the stuff.

893
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:34,840
Speaker 1: And then I mean John Denver songs when I was

894
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 1: a kid, Jim Crochey, James Taylor, any of the singer

895
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:38,320
Speaker 1: songwriter guys.

896
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 2: But then I got into rock and.

897
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 1: Roll too, and you know, but more like the you know,

898
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 1: Doobie Brothers, Eagles, I love the harmonies. I loved any

899
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 1: group that had cool harmony kind of stuff because I've

900
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,839
Speaker 1: always loved that. But still at the at the core, yeah,

901
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 1: it was bluegrass, full music, country music. But but but

902
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,880
Speaker 1: Christian music. Growing up singing with my family, and I

903
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 1: think because I think what it was when I think

904
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:05,360
Speaker 1: about it is. You know my dad, My dad loves music.

905
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 1: We'd sit in because he was a guitar teacher. I

906
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:11,280
Speaker 1: remember him sitting and teaching me drift Away the old Adobe,

907
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 1: give me It'll.

908
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 2: Be boys to free em.

909
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 1: I soa it had a cool guitar part, and my

910
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 1: dad brought it home teaching it to his students, like, hey,

911
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:20,320
Speaker 1: let me show you this cool guitar thing. So my

912
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:22,760
Speaker 1: dad and I just had that relationship like playing music,

913
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:26,359
Speaker 1: and he'd play whatever he loved, playing campbell. Everything he

914
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 1: loved is what I loved and fell in love with.

915
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 1: But I remember when we as a family started singing

916
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 1: together and my dad wanted to do country music. But

917
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 1: when his life really got changed by faith and a

918
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 1: relationship with Jesus is really what happened for him. It

919
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 1: became more than a religion. It was a real relationship

920
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 1: and it changed his life because he had all this

921
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 1: you know, shame and you know, confusion about with his.

922
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:52,240
Speaker 2: Dad and stuff.

923
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:54,880
Speaker 1: And for the first time in his life, you know,

924
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 1: it was like this truth of these songs that he

925
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:01,319
Speaker 1: was singing mint something. You know, he loved Johnny Cash

926
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:03,760
Speaker 1: and Folsom Prison Blues. But he's like I'm not singing

927
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 1: from prison. But when we sang Bill Gaither songs, and

928
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:08,919
Speaker 1: there's a song called He Touched Me that we would

929
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 1: sing as a family, and my dad would just cry

930
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 1: every time he sang it because the song says shackled

931
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 1: by a heavy burden neath a load of guilt and shame.

932
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 1: Then the hand of Jesus touched me. Now I'm no

933
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:20,239
Speaker 1: longer the same he touched me, and that's the that's

934
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:22,360
Speaker 1: the course. And my dad would sing that and he

935
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:25,319
Speaker 1: cry and say, you know, this is like true, this

936
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 1: really is true. This is my life. It changed me.

937
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 1: It gave me something I didn't have, and I think

938
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 1: something in me as a kid even saw that and

939
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 1: connected with that, Like these these words mean something more

940
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 1: than you know, just singing a song she broke my

941
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:44,359
Speaker 1: heart and you know I'm gonna go, you know, go

942
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 1: drink yeah and forget about it. You know, this is

943
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 1: something that goes deeper than that. I love those songs,

944
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:52,959
Speaker 1: love the story songs. And I mean, you know Glenn

945
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:54,959
Speaker 1: Campbell singing which tall I'm in. I mean, it doesn't

946
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:58,919
Speaker 1: get any better. But songs that really had something meant

947
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 1: something personal. So when I started writing songs in high school.

948
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:02,320
Speaker 2: I started.

949
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:05,399
Speaker 1: I remember writing my first song. It was I'd seen

950
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 1: another kid at our church write a song, and I thought, well,

951
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 1: I never thought about that I could do that. So

952
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 1: I sat down, had this idea and I wrote a song,

953
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 1: and it was a gospel song. It was written around

954
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 1: a lesson probably i'd heard in you know, youth group

955
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:27,840
Speaker 1: or somewhere Sunday school or something around what's called the

956
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:32,400
Speaker 1: Parable of the Talents about a master calls in his

957
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:34,959
Speaker 1: servants and he's going to go away, and he gives

958
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 1: three servants different amounts of kind of entrust something to them.

959
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:40,880
Speaker 1: One he gives a little bit, the next one he

960
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,240
Speaker 1: gives kind of a medium amount, and one he gives

961
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:45,799
Speaker 1: a lot to and says, I'm going to go come back,

962
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:49,280
Speaker 1: do something with this. And you probably know the story

963
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 1: comes back. One of the servants kind of buried, you know,

964
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 1: the little bit he gave him and said, I don't

965
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 1: want to screw this up, and kind of didn't do

966
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:57,840
Speaker 1: anything with it. And then the next one, you know,

967
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 1: had gone and doubled it, and then the one had

968
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,880
Speaker 1: gone and whatever, you know, quadrupled what he had been given.

969
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 2: And so it was called the Parable.

970
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 1: The talents, and at the end of it, the thing

971
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:09,719
Speaker 1: is kind of the Master says to the one who

972
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 1: who you know, used well what was given to him.

973
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 1: He said, well done, good and faithful servant. And so

974
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 1: my first song was a song called well done. And

975
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:21,240
Speaker 1: as a kid, I was like, you know, if God's

976
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 1: given me talent, then I want to use it in

977
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 1: a way that he would say, hey, you use this

978
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:29,399
Speaker 1: well well done. I didn't really know that much about

979
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 1: what I was doing. I just thought, this is what

980
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 1: I want to write about. It's what was stirring in

981
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 1: my heart. It's what compelled me to write a song,

982
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:41,839
Speaker 1: and so I did that. And that's mainly the kind

983
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:43,919
Speaker 1: of music I wrote. I mean, i'd write a love

984
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 1: song or a whatever.

985
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:45,359
Speaker 2: You know.

986
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:49,359
Speaker 1: I was always just creating, but primarily what came out

987
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 1: of me was music about my faith, but in a

988
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 1: real conversational way that the guys that influenced me in

989
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 1: that's a guy named Dallas Holme who was a singer

990
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 1: songwriter kind of in the Christian music world early on.

991
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 1: And he was a guy that when I listened to

992
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 1: his music, I didn't feel like somebody was preaching at

993
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 1: me or telling me how how to live or how

994
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 1: to be. They were just saying this is It was

995
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:14,400
Speaker 1: like it felt like they were just kind of opening

996
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 1: their heart and saying, this is just what this is

997
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 1: what my life is about and what matters most. And

998
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 1: I think that's just what inspired me. And I remember

999
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 1: my dad and I having that very conversation. My dad

1000
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,280
Speaker 1: came and saw me at the Grand Old Opry another

1001
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 1: time after that, and I remember him saying, Son, you

1002
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 1: played on the Grand Ole Opry twice. You're getting these opportunities.

1003
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 1: You're working at Opera Land. You know, look at Ricky Skaggs.

1004
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 1: I remember him specifically saying, Ricky's a strong Christian guy

1005
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 1: and talks about his faith, but he sings you know,

1006
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 1: country music, and that gives him a big platform. You know,

1007
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 1: maybe maybe that's maybe that's what you ought to do,

1008
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 1: because you know you're at you know, you've got these opportunities.

1009
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 1: And I remember even then saying, Dad, I'm open to it.

1010
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 1: I love country music. I love that, But as far

1011
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:58,880
Speaker 1: as the music that just most naturally comes out of

1012
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 1: me that I write and create, it has some reference

1013
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 1: to my faith, even if it's not in an upfront way,

1014
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 1: even if it's you know, I mean songs like Cinderella

1015
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 1: that have written or I Will be here for my wife.

1016
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 1: Some of my most well known songs now aren't even

1017
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 1: necessarily what you'd call gospel songs are Christians.

1018
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:19,399
Speaker 3: Meaning if it just came on and somebody to know you,

1019
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 3: they wouldn't be able to define it in that genre. Yeah, right,

1020
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 3: I would agree.

1021
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 5: The Bobby Cast will be right back. This is the

1022
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:37,240
Speaker 5: Bobby Cast.

1023
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:40,880
Speaker 3: Christian artists, for lack of a better term, come to

1024
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 3: Nashville to try to make it. Was this the place

1025
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 3: that that that group, that genre came as well, I

1026
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 3: would say.

1027
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:55,919
Speaker 1: In the early days, it was not necessarily Nashville. In fact,

1028
00:46:56,000 --> 00:47:02,840
Speaker 1: my first record deal and label is based in California, Chatsworth, California,

1029
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 1: West Coast, Sparrow Records, and they were known as kind

1030
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 1: of the cool label. I mean they had like, you know,

1031
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 1: very more almost alternative and some of these you know

1032
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 1: artists that they were working with. So the fact that

1033
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 1: they were even interested in me was kind of a

1034
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 1: shocker because I represented sort of this hillbilly, you know,

1035
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 1: kid from Paducah. But it was a time when you know,

1036
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:33,799
Speaker 1: on the heels of urban cowboy. A lot of Californians

1037
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 1: were starting to buy cowboy boots, and it was kind

1038
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 1: of a cool thing, sort of some of country music

1039
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 1: and all that sort of had a little bit of

1040
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:42,839
Speaker 1: a it wasn't nearly as hick and you know, it

1041
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 1: wasn't country and western. Now it was kind of becoming

1042
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 1: a little bit more of a cool thing. And so

1043
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe all of that played into them

1044
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:53,759
Speaker 1: at least turning, you know, turning their head to give

1045
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:57,799
Speaker 1: me a look. They did pass initially and said now

1046
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 1: we're not interested in Some things happened and they kind

1047
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 1: of came back around and and you know, wanted to

1048
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 1: meet with me. But that was my first, you know,

1049
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:10,240
Speaker 1: first label. They eventually moved to Nashville. Her Word Records

1050
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 1: was based in Waco, Texas. They eventually moved to Nashville. Benson,

1051
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 1: which was my first publishing deal was with Benson and

1052
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:21,319
Speaker 1: they were based here. But yeah, I think it was

1053
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:24,399
Speaker 1: not necessarily where artists came.

1054
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 3: Whenever you're starting to become you're you've dedicated not just

1055
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:32,400
Speaker 3: your life to Christ, but you're dedicated to your career

1056
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 3: to Christ as well. Did you have to learn how

1057
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 3: to be a better witness? Did you have to learn

1058
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:41,920
Speaker 3: how to how to speak, how to because you're not

1059
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 3: a preacher, but you do pretty good, especially now you've

1060
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 3: been doing it, you know how to do it.

1061
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:47,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1062
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 3: But if you're just generally playing music and you're having

1063
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:52,439
Speaker 3: these conversations with your dad, that means you probably haven't

1064
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 3: spent a lot of time witnessing while playing music openly

1065
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 3: and loudly. Yeah, or maybe you had in church, like

1066
00:48:57,880 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 3: was there a growth there that you had to go

1067
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 3: through so you could be a really well rounded Christian performance?

1068
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:03,239
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1069
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 1: You know, when I first started, it's it's kind of

1070
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:14,400
Speaker 1: interesting in that I I really felt ill equipped. I

1071
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:18,440
Speaker 1: remember having conversations with my wife because you know, I

1072
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 1: started writing songs, got got songs cut by other artists.

1073
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:25,239
Speaker 1: First cut was by the Imperials, which I was a

1074
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 1: massive Imperials fan. A Rustaff came along, and the Imperials

1075
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 1: changed kind of the face of Christian music. They kind

1076
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 1: of made the leap from being southern gospel quartet. Guys

1077
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 1: who backed up Elvis to you know, Michael Lomarty and

1078
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 1: produced them, and this guy who had made Christopher Cross

1079
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:44,800
Speaker 1: Records and Donna Summer, you know, these cool pop records

1080
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 1: who suddenly brought you know, these guys into this whole

1081
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 1: new realm. Like you can do that and sing about

1082
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:56,560
Speaker 1: your faith and sing about Jesus. That's that's amazing. My

1083
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:59,840
Speaker 1: first concert was Andre Crouch and the Disciples. You know Andre,

1084
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:03,240
Speaker 1: you know it's amazing, you know the songs he wrote

1085
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 1: and the music he did.

1086
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:08,799
Speaker 2: So I was influenced by all of that.

1087
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 1: And yet when I first started, uh, you know, so

1088
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:18,279
Speaker 1: I was writing songs and they were getting recorded by

1089
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 1: other people.

1090
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:21,719
Speaker 2: I was I could go back and play.

1091
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:23,759
Speaker 1: In fact, I found an old cassette tape of me

1092
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:28,839
Speaker 1: doing some early concerts and it's embarrassing how first of all,

1093
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:33,800
Speaker 1: how just hillbilly I am, Like, you could never imagine

1094
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:36,719
Speaker 1: that's the same guy. Uh. And even when I was

1095
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:38,840
Speaker 1: at opry Land, they did a TV show on the

1096
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:41,800
Speaker 1: Nashville Network back when we had the TNN, the Nashville Network,

1097
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 1: they did a thing called opry Land on Stage and

1098
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:46,279
Speaker 1: it's me and my brother being interviewed on that and

1099
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:48,360
Speaker 1: we're singing and I'm talking about Yeah, I kind of

1100
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:50,360
Speaker 1: want to hopefully write gospel music.

1101
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:52,880
Speaker 2: That's what I really love probably the most, and write.

1102
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:56,280
Speaker 1: But man, in my country, it's like yeah, I hope

1103
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 1: someday I can mike it in gospel music.

1104
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:00,160
Speaker 2: It's it's pretty fun.

1105
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:03,880
Speaker 1: But and when I started, you know, and then I'm

1106
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 1: writing songs and and I'll do little things here and

1107
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:08,960
Speaker 1: there with my brother.

1108
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 2: And in college, you know, I started.

1109
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 1: Doing doing music and uh, playing concerts and that kind

1110
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:21,400
Speaker 1: of thing more and and I just remember thinking, man,

1111
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:23,439
Speaker 1: if I'm really going to do this. And then when

1112
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:26,800
Speaker 1: suddenly I get the opportunity to start not just writing

1113
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:30,880
Speaker 1: songs but recording my own songs and doing concerts, I

1114
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 1: remember thinking, I didn't.

1115
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 2: Go to Bible college.

1116
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:36,359
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not am I even equipped to really

1117
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:40,280
Speaker 1: do this to to you know, stand with some degree

1118
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 1: of like a like a preacher, like someone would look

1119
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:45,799
Speaker 1: to a guy on stage to say, he has some

1120
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:49,399
Speaker 1: he's got some direct line here that we don't have.

1121
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:51,719
Speaker 1: That's why he's up there so we can listen to

1122
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 1: what he has to say, which sadly we all know

1123
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:57,439
Speaker 1: that it isn't necessarily the case. Uh you know now

1124
00:51:57,440 --> 00:51:59,880
Speaker 1: with documentaries and all the exposs and can tell you

1125
00:51:59,920 --> 00:52:02,759
Speaker 1: that there's actually you know, they're about as broken and

1126
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 1: messed up as anybody. But still there is that sense

1127
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:09,239
Speaker 1: for me anyway of man, I want I'm taking this

1128
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 1: seriously and I don't want to just get up here

1129
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 1: and say, well, this is my you know, my opinion.

1130
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:18,239
Speaker 2: If people are going to be looking and listening in a.

1131
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 1: Different way, what I will say with that is the

1132
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 1: people again who influenced me the most, The guys that

1133
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 1: I was most inspired by were people that I felt like,

1134
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:34,719
Speaker 1: much like the the the the original the og you know,

1135
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:40,720
Speaker 1: gospel music writer, Christian artist, you might say King David.

1136
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:43,799
Speaker 1: In the Psalms, there was a real honesty and there

1137
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:45,880
Speaker 1: was a sense that I mean because you can read,

1138
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 1: you know, King David saying things like you know, how long,

1139
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 1: old Lord are you going to forget me forever? You know,

1140
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:56,759
Speaker 1: I feel desperate, I feel alone, I feel afraid, and

1141
00:52:56,800 --> 00:53:00,719
Speaker 1: then saying, but I will praise you for you know,

1142
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 1: these great songs that we write songs around. But the

1143
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 1: reality is there was an honesty. I mean the Apostle Paul,

1144
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 1: I am weak, but he's strong. And when I'm at

1145
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:13,160
Speaker 1: my weakest, that's when his strength, God's strength is greatest

1146
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:15,840
Speaker 1: in me. I wrote that song. His strength is perfect.

1147
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:18,799
Speaker 1: I mean, those are so my songs I felt like,

1148
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:21,839
Speaker 1: and even my position. My posture in front of an

1149
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:24,759
Speaker 1: audience was I'm just going to be as honest as

1150
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 1: I can be. And it is my relationship with Christ

1151
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 1: that has given me life and is what my life

1152
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 1: is centered around, my marriage, struggling, good, bad, all of that.

1153
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:39,480
Speaker 2: I'm just going to be really honest.

1154
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:41,319
Speaker 1: So when I got up and saying I will be here,

1155
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 1: the reason I got, you know, signed to my to

1156
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:47,879
Speaker 1: CIA with John Huey, who was my agent for many

1157
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:50,920
Speaker 1: many years. And CIA again was the cool I mean,

1158
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:52,360
Speaker 1: they had the big artists. What are they going to

1159
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:56,040
Speaker 1: do with this, you know, hillbilly guy. They had Amy Grant,

1160
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 1: which she was, as you know, the biggest in gospel

1161
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 1: music and beyond. And he heard me sing and I'll

1162
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 1: never forget. He still tells the story. He said, you

1163
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 1: got up at Knotsbury Farm in California. He was out

1164
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 1: there seeing some other artists and this kid with a

1165
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:14,399
Speaker 1: mullet gets up and kind of country, kind of pop,

1166
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 1: kind of rock and roll. Don't really know what he

1167
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 1: is musically, it's good, but he said to you, I'll

1168
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:24,160
Speaker 1: never forget. You told the story of your parents who

1169
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:27,000
Speaker 1: had just gone through a divorce, and you were just

1170
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 1: struggling with the reality of it, and you wrote this

1171
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:31,880
Speaker 1: song I Will be Here that you sing for your

1172
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 1: wife to say, I don't know what it's going to

1173
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:36,440
Speaker 1: feel like tomorrow or ten years from now when I

1174
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:38,920
Speaker 1: wake up, and what we feel for each other, but

1175
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:41,120
Speaker 1: I've made a commitment. I really want to honor. I

1176
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 1: want to go the distance, so I will be here.

1177
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:47,319
Speaker 1: This is a song. And he said that that's what

1178
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 1: you know connected me. I want to work with that

1179
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:52,759
Speaker 1: guy because I feel there's an honesty and yeah, he's

1180
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:54,440
Speaker 1: singing about his faith, but he's singing about it in

1181
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:56,719
Speaker 1: a way that I think they're ic.

1182
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Speaker 5: Let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor.

1183
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:10,719
Speaker 5: Welcome back to the Bobby Cast.

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Speaker 2: Gay, I would always say, I felt like you were

1185
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 2: singing to or with not at Yeah. Yeah, there's a

1186
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 2: big difference.

1187
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:20,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, especially like I grew up in Baptist Church, and

1188
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 3: there is a difference in the music and the communication

1189
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:28,560
Speaker 3: from the different people you listen to. I remember whenever

1190
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:31,319
Speaker 3: like the nineties happened, like late eighties, nineties, and it

1191
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 3: would be Newsboys, Jarza Clay. That's when I first started

1192
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:42,960
Speaker 3: to feel like, oh okay, now I can actually feel

1193
00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:46,360
Speaker 3: like they're saying things I was thinking, and not saying

1194
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:49,320
Speaker 3: things to me that I should be thinking. Yeah, exactly,

1195
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:50,879
Speaker 3: you know. And I feel like that's kind of what

1196
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:54,960
Speaker 3: people discovered in you early on, is you represented a

1197
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:57,279
Speaker 3: bit of what they were feeling and saying and not

1198
00:55:57,360 --> 00:56:00,200
Speaker 3: what they were told they should be feeling or saying. Yeah,

1199
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:02,719
Speaker 3: Glenn Campbell to me has been an icon because he

1200
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 3: was massive to my grandma, which I'm drawn to your

1201
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:08,319
Speaker 3: dad so much, and I guess because my story a

1202
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:12,879
Speaker 3: lot like your dad story, but in that he loved

1203
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:15,640
Speaker 3: Glenn Campbell. But Glenn Campbell for the record crew, like

1204
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:21,360
Speaker 3: he was such a good, great technical player, And I

1205
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:24,239
Speaker 3: think that gets lost a lot in from people knowing

1206
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:27,520
Speaker 3: Glenn Campbell the country artist or the rocket or the

1207
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:30,560
Speaker 3: guy that had the TV show. But he would play.

1208
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:31,680
Speaker 2: He was the great.

1209
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:34,680
Speaker 3: He play on Beach Boy record. So when you say

1210
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:36,520
Speaker 3: that your dad loved it, it makes sense because of

1211
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:38,920
Speaker 3: who your dad was, And so did you love him

1212
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:39,799
Speaker 3: because your dad loved him?

1213
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 2: See who?

1214
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:42,959
Speaker 3: Because that was my grandma to me, she instilled Glen

1215
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:43,440
Speaker 3: Campbell to.

1216
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:46,200
Speaker 1: Me really yeah, yeah, that was exactly it. And I

1217
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:51,560
Speaker 1: would take the Glenn Campbell live live record, and I

1218
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:55,279
Speaker 1: want to say it was live at Royal Albert Hall

1219
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:59,399
Speaker 1: or something, and he played a he did for once

1220
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:02,360
Speaker 1: in my life, Stevie Wonders song, and he did a

1221
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:05,040
Speaker 1: version of it and he plays this jazz guitar solo

1222
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:07,600
Speaker 1: in the middle of it, and it was one of

1223
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:10,520
Speaker 1: the most mind blowing because my real love as a

1224
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:14,280
Speaker 1: kid was guitar first and foremost. My brother was the singer. Incident,

1225
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:16,440
Speaker 1: I grew up not the singer. My dad and my

1226
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:18,920
Speaker 1: brother were the singers. I had this kind of squeaky

1227
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:21,720
Speaker 1: little voice and they had the big voices. And so

1228
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 1: I was going to be the best guitar player I

1229
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:26,200
Speaker 1: could be and come to Nashville and be a session guitarist.

1230
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:27,480
Speaker 2: That was my dream.

1231
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:30,120
Speaker 1: As a little boy, really, because my dad would tell

1232
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:32,960
Speaker 1: me about how great the Nashville musicians were, their best

1233
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:35,720
Speaker 1: in the world. Go to Nashville. Those guys can play anything,

1234
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:37,520
Speaker 1: and so I thought, well, that's what I want to do.

1235
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 1: Because I'm not a singer. I probably couldn't ever be

1236
00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:42,080
Speaker 1: a singer, but my brother will be, so I'll be

1237
00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:45,760
Speaker 1: as guitar player. But I would listen to Glenn Campbell

1238
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:48,480
Speaker 1: play this solo on anything.

1239
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:50,600
Speaker 4: But for once in my life, I remember that solo he.

1240
00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 1: Did on that live record, and I literally would slow

1241
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 1: that album down. I had the album and I would

1242
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:58,360
Speaker 1: like put my finger on, you know, on it and

1243
00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 1: slow it down so I could try to.

1244
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:01,880
Speaker 2: Figure out because it was just a.

1245
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:07,880
Speaker 1: Jazz stuff that I had no concept of, and my

1246
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:10,200
Speaker 1: dad didn't really play that. So my dad played bluegrass

1247
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:12,440
Speaker 1: and played it. Was a great player, but that stuff,

1248
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:14,920
Speaker 1: that kind of soloing, even Dad really didn't know.

1249
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:17,120
Speaker 2: So I try to figure it out because he was

1250
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:17,640
Speaker 2: in my mind.

1251
00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:19,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's like he's as good of a guitar player

1252
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:22,800
Speaker 1: as he is a singer. Uh and and so he

1253
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:25,600
Speaker 1: was as a result, a huge he wrote my.

1254
00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 2: So it'd be super cool to work with him. Yeah.

1255
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:29,080
Speaker 2: Oh man, guys.

1256
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:32,760
Speaker 1: My first like, like one of my first cuts was

1257
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:36,720
Speaker 1: I'd written a song. Imperials had recorded a song, Sandy

1258
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 1: Patty had recorded a song of mine. A group called Whiteheart,

1259
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:42,640
Speaker 1: which was an early Christian music kind of rock Christian

1260
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:45,880
Speaker 1: rock group made up of Dan Huff, who you know

1261
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:48,960
Speaker 1: would go on to be obviously amazing record producer and

1262
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:53,400
Speaker 1: Dan Huffer. Now he had a band called Giant Giant,

1263
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:55,360
Speaker 1: which was yeah, which was a rock band, but Dan

1264
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:57,640
Speaker 1: and Dave his brother David Huff was a drummer and

1265
00:58:57,680 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 1: Dan and.

1266
00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:01,480
Speaker 2: It was a one word band. I got one word yeah, yeah,

1267
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:02,720
Speaker 2: from Whiteheart to Giant.

1268
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:02,960
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1269
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:03,760
Speaker 2: It was the Driver.

1270
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:07,040
Speaker 1: But but those guys and and so I had had

1271
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:09,600
Speaker 1: a cut on their records. I'd had some songs cut

1272
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:13,480
Speaker 1: by other artists and uh and then UH I heard

1273
00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:18,080
Speaker 1: about Glenn Campbell being a part of a patriotic album,

1274
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:19,800
Speaker 1: so it was a compilation. It's going to be a

1275
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:23,880
Speaker 1: bunch of different artists and and uh I wrote a

1276
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:26,880
Speaker 1: song called Another Day in America, and Glenn recorded it

1277
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:29,080
Speaker 1: and cut it on that record, and I lost my mind.

1278
00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:32,480
Speaker 1: I'm like to hear Glenn Campbell's voice singing my song.

1279
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:35,160
Speaker 1: And then he recorded I Will be Here as well

1280
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:37,760
Speaker 1: a few few years later, and uh and I got

1281
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:38,840
Speaker 1: to sing back up on that.

1282
00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:40,760
Speaker 2: We were never in the studio together.

1283
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:43,680
Speaker 1: Terry Crutchfield was producing it and called me and said, hey,

1284
00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:47,120
Speaker 1: Glenn's gonna do I will be here and wants you

1285
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:49,880
Speaker 1: to come sing background vocals. But he was in Arizona,

1286
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:51,280
Speaker 1: I think at the time, and so I just went

1287
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:56,040
Speaker 1: in and sang, but oh man, that's yeah. I even

1288
00:59:56,080 --> 00:59:58,560
Speaker 1: when I say it now, it's like, am I making

1289
00:59:58,600 --> 00:59:58,960
Speaker 1: that up?

1290
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:01,960
Speaker 2: Is that real? Did Glenn Campbell really sing one of

1291
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:02,800
Speaker 2: my songs? Yeah?

1292
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:06,480
Speaker 3: I have two final questions for you. Were you a prodigt,

1293
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:10,520
Speaker 3: a child prodigy? Were you told that? Are? Do you

1294
01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:11,960
Speaker 3: know if you were? Are you being humble?

1295
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:14,000
Speaker 2: I don't think now, I don't. I mean, I don't

1296
01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 2: know what.

1297
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:17,840
Speaker 1: I don't know how you define prodigy specifically. But I

1298
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:21,600
Speaker 1: was the kind of kid that you know, would take

1299
01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:24,640
Speaker 1: my guitar to school and people go, man, he's you're

1300
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:27,840
Speaker 1: really good. But when I watch, you know, now social media,

1301
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:29,880
Speaker 1: you watch these kids like sit down and like they're

1302
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:32,520
Speaker 1: masters of whatever, and you go, that's a prodigy. I

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Speaker 1: think I was just a I was a talented kid.

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Speaker 2: Who just eat, ate, slept, breathed music.

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Speaker 1: I mean literally, my mom, you know, tells stories of

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Speaker 1: I would get out of the bathtub our one bathroom,

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Speaker 1: little one hundred year old farmhouse in Paducah, and I

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Speaker 1: get out of bathtub and we had these little chairs

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Speaker 1: at our kitchen table that were like woven, you know,

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Speaker 1: the weave on the thing that's what the seat was

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Speaker 1: made of, Like a woven kind of cross road whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: and and I would I would get out of the bathtub,

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Speaker 1: and I wanted my I wanted to play guitar so

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Speaker 1: bad that I would just go buck naked, sit on

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Speaker 1: the set at the kitchen tables, me and my brother,

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Speaker 1: you know, and six years old, play guitar.

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Speaker 2: You do it now, all right? Video games?

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Speaker 1: And my mom would say, if you don't play guitar,

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Speaker 1: put your pants on. And then because I had a

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Speaker 1: little crossbars on my butt, she could go, yep, you've

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Speaker 1: been playing the guitar in the dude again.

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Speaker 2: That's fine. Yeah, but I loved it. I think that

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Speaker 2: was it. I just love music.

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Speaker 3: So final question, and we were talking about before we

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Speaker 3: started this part still and you're doing the tour starting

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Speaker 3: in February. It was still tour, so it was the

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Speaker 3: still is like the first studio album in almost ten years.

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Speaker 3: It's a long time to wait? Yeah, why why did

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Speaker 3: you wait? And the last one was a lot more bluegrass,

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Speaker 3: right and my wrong on the I feel right off

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Speaker 3: the timeline.

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Speaker 2: The one before that was bluegrass.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's one I did my dad say on and yeah,

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Speaker 1: the one that ended up doing on operay with my dad.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was deeper roots, So why not?

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Speaker 1: Honestly, I mean I didn't even I didn't know if

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Speaker 1: I would make another record. I don't have a I

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Speaker 1: didn't have a record deal, you know, a contract saying hey,

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Speaker 1: you got to deliver. Music's changed so much the way

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Speaker 1: people consume music. Do people even make records? You know,

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Speaker 1: I've talked before, I think when we were together about

1342
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Speaker 1: my boys in a band called Colony House. My favorite

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Speaker 1: rock band in the world is a shameless plug for

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Speaker 1: my sons. Make sure you don't edit that out. Check

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Speaker 1: out Colony House music. Wherever you listen to music that

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Speaker 1: you love. But there they are freaks. They are freak talents,

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Speaker 1: both of those guys, and their band is amazing and

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Speaker 1: the music they play.

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Speaker 2: So but.

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Speaker 1: I we talk a lot about do people even make

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01:02:53,240 --> 01:02:55,600
Speaker 1: records anymore? I mean I made albums and you listen

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01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:57,920
Speaker 1: to them. When I had a theme and I had

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Speaker 1: a it was a movement.

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Speaker 2: It was like a book.

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Speaker 1: You know, you don't just get chapter fourteen and read

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Speaker 1: about you know, the big you know, the big moment

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01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:08,800
Speaker 1: of whatever. You got to take the whole journey. And

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Speaker 1: that's what I loved about records. I mean, I'd listen

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Speaker 1: to those records when I was a kid, and you

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Speaker 1: just you'd take the whole journey and you had the

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Speaker 1: up you know, the fast songs, slow songs, the crying songs,

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Speaker 1: you know, all of it.

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Speaker 2: And and so it's just changed so much.

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Speaker 1: And the way people listen now, it's like, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's so quick and attention span is so short, and

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Speaker 1: you know, so we just want a song, and you know,

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Speaker 1: by the by the you know, my kids will be like, Dad,

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Speaker 1: check out this new song, and they'll play thirty seconds

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Speaker 1: and then it's on to the next thing. And I'm going,

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Speaker 1: I thought we were going to listen to a song.

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Speaker 1: I just got the verse, you know, the intro, like

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Speaker 1: give me a song. So with all of that going on,

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Speaker 1: you know, and a guy who the way I write

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Speaker 1: songs and all of that, it's like, maybe I'll make

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Speaker 1: another record. I don't know if if I will, I

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Speaker 1: think I'll keep making songs. I mean when the pandemic hit,

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Speaker 1: you know, I turned the TV on, I see everybody's

1378
01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:02,560
Speaker 1: talking about we can do this together. And so I

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Speaker 1: write a song called Together, and I call Brad Paisley

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Speaker 1: and you know, I just had met and I'm like,

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01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:13,240
Speaker 1: would you do something with me and get Lauren Elena

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01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:15,520
Speaker 1: and get Tasha Cobbs and we do this song together

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01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:19,000
Speaker 1: and put it on you know, streaming, and it's like, hey,

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01:04:19,240 --> 01:04:21,000
Speaker 1: you can do that now. I couldn't have done that,

1385
01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:23,480
Speaker 1: you know twenty years ago. You have to go press

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01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:25,919
Speaker 1: it and wait a year and all that. So take

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01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:29,760
Speaker 1: advantage of that. But do I do an album? So

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01:04:29,840 --> 01:04:32,080
Speaker 1: all of that is kind of, you know, part of

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Speaker 1: the reason why I just wasn't sure I love I

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01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:38,040
Speaker 1: can't ever imagine today when I, you know, put my

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01:04:38,080 --> 01:04:39,640
Speaker 1: guitar in the case and go, well, I'm not going

1392
01:04:39,720 --> 01:04:42,960
Speaker 1: to do you know, I'm retired, I'm done. I love

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01:04:43,040 --> 01:04:46,760
Speaker 1: music more now probably than I ever have. But I

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01:04:46,760 --> 01:04:48,760
Speaker 1: think it was one of those things where between the

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01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:52,920
Speaker 1: pandemic and all that changed and all that that that

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01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:55,840
Speaker 1: took away music for a season and we didn't really

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Speaker 1: know if it was coming back. Would I ever get

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01:04:57,920 --> 01:04:59,480
Speaker 1: to get in front of an audience. I mean, we

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01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:02,040
Speaker 1: thought we will, but man, the more time that went on,

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Speaker 1: it's like, I don't know.

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01:05:03,920 --> 01:05:04,720
Speaker 2: I think I fell in.

1402
01:05:04,680 --> 01:05:08,400
Speaker 1: Love with music again in a way, and singing songs

1403
01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:11,120
Speaker 1: for people and watching their reaction and what happens in

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01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:12,440
Speaker 1: a live concert.

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01:05:13,120 --> 01:05:15,080
Speaker 2: I just awakened something in me.

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01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:20,200
Speaker 1: I lost a very dear friend, keyboard player for many

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01:05:20,280 --> 01:05:24,520
Speaker 1: years of mine, who died at sixty my age.

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Speaker 2: That hit me hard.

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01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:31,600
Speaker 1: We lost a brother in law, my wife's sister's husband,

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01:05:32,200 --> 01:05:36,080
Speaker 1: Glei O blastoma of brain cancer's brain tumors wasn't COVID related,

1411
01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:39,400
Speaker 1: but lost lost him five or six months. I'd never

1412
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Speaker 1: walked with somebody who looked in my eyes and said, man,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to die, but I think I'm probably

1414
01:05:44,920 --> 01:05:47,000
Speaker 1: gonna die. I know God could heal me, but I

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01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:50,760
Speaker 1: don't think he's going too. And and every song I

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01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:52,960
Speaker 1: was writing, I'm like, can I sing this song to

1417
01:05:53,040 --> 01:05:57,080
Speaker 1: him right now? I mean, it's one thing to sing about,

1418
01:05:57,200 --> 01:06:00,360
Speaker 1: and you know your faith and God is good, you know,

1419
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:03,920
Speaker 1: and all the things that this's got to really it's

1420
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Speaker 1: got to be real. It's got to stand up, you know,

1421
01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:09,439
Speaker 1: in this. And obviously you know our story. We lost

1422
01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:13,040
Speaker 1: our daughter fifteen years ago and horrible you know journey

1423
01:06:13,040 --> 01:06:16,360
Speaker 1: that we've walked of grief and loss and we.

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Speaker 2: Carry that with us.

1425
01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:21,280
Speaker 1: And what that looks like for me now at fifteen

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01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:26,240
Speaker 1: years later, and the fact that I'm still married by

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Speaker 1: the grace of God. My kids are all still alive

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01:06:30,320 --> 01:06:33,800
Speaker 1: and doing well, which is only the grace of God.

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Speaker 1: All those things are things that I could only write

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01:06:36,440 --> 01:06:39,200
Speaker 1: songs about now. You know, I wrote songs about it

1431
01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:42,720
Speaker 1: five years you know, in or whatever. But now, fifteen

1432
01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:45,160
Speaker 1: years later, walking through some of the things I have,

1433
01:06:45,680 --> 01:06:47,560
Speaker 1: I felt like there's some things that I needed to

1434
01:06:47,600 --> 01:06:49,880
Speaker 1: say and I wanted to say that I can only

1435
01:06:49,920 --> 01:06:51,720
Speaker 1: say now, and I kind of had to push all

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01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:52,920
Speaker 1: the voices that said, well.

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Speaker 2: But people may not care.

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01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:56,760
Speaker 1: You know, you're not Stephen gers Chapman of you know,

1439
01:06:57,040 --> 01:06:59,800
Speaker 1: of the Great Adventure Days or the you know, Dive

1440
01:07:00,160 --> 01:07:03,040
Speaker 1: Days or whatever, and is it going to matter? And

1441
01:07:03,080 --> 01:07:06,520
Speaker 1: it's like, what matters who ever might listen, And it

1442
01:07:06,560 --> 01:07:08,360
Speaker 1: matters to me to say these things.

1443
01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:10,480
Speaker 2: So I feel like I need to do it.

1444
01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:14,560
Speaker 1: Then that's that's kind of was the the the reason

1445
01:07:14,560 --> 01:07:16,800
Speaker 1: it took that long. I guess it's a pretty good reason. Yeah,

1446
01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:18,240
Speaker 1: pretty good reason, felt Phil.

1447
01:07:18,320 --> 01:07:18,800
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:21,840
Speaker 3: Uh, you know we mentioned the tour before, but sixteen

1449
01:07:21,880 --> 01:07:23,720
Speaker 3: cities the still tour of February.

1450
01:07:23,720 --> 01:07:26,200
Speaker 2: Tickets are on cell Now. I'm a big fan. I

1451
01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:26,560
Speaker 2: tell you that.

1452
01:07:26,600 --> 01:07:27,840
Speaker 3: Or time I see you and you're like you don't

1453
01:07:27,840 --> 01:07:29,080
Speaker 3: tell me that every time, Like, no, I know every time,

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Speaker 3: I'm going to lead with that. I'm a big fan.

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01:07:30,920 --> 01:07:33,240
Speaker 3: I've been a big fan forever. I'm thanks for coming over.

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01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:36,080
Speaker 3: I you know, I was listing a lot of your accolades.

1457
01:07:36,120 --> 01:07:37,240
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna do that in front of you here

1458
01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:40,000
Speaker 3: before you came into and it's man, it's a lot.

1459
01:07:40,560 --> 01:07:42,680
Speaker 3: It's like it's an honor. Yeah, and not even just

1460
01:07:42,720 --> 01:07:46,280
Speaker 3: because of what you've accomplished, but because you know what

1461
01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:49,800
Speaker 3: you've helped other people accomplish, because I think that's a

1462
01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:51,760
Speaker 3: big part of who you are as well.

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01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:54,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, So thank you. That's all. Just thanks.

1464
01:07:54,400 --> 01:07:56,960
Speaker 3: And you know, I've never I'll never say go roll

1465
01:07:57,000 --> 01:07:59,480
Speaker 3: tide or anything. But you know, I hope I hope

1466
01:07:59,520 --> 01:08:02,680
Speaker 3: you're not. I hope your daughter daughter day cheering, good,

1467
01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:04,600
Speaker 3: yes and healthy. And it's very.

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01:08:04,520 --> 01:08:07,000
Speaker 2: Kind of you. See you're just we're talking about a

1469
01:08:07,080 --> 01:08:07,800
Speaker 2: kind guy.

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01:08:07,840 --> 01:08:10,400
Speaker 3: I get no kind All right, good to see you,

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Speaker 3: Thank

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Speaker 5: You, Thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production.