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Speaker 1: Good morning.

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Speaker 2: I'm John Tucker and I'm Karen Moscow. Here are the

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Speaker 2: stories we're following today.

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Speaker 1: Bitcoin is trading up seven tenths of a percent to

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Speaker 1: around forty six two hundred and forty dollars. This comes

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Speaker 1: after US regulators for the first time approved exchange traded

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Speaker 1: funds that invest directly in bitcoin. It's a move heralded

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Speaker 1: as a landmark event for the roughly one point seven

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Speaker 1: trillion dollar asset sector, and Bloomberg Crypto editor Anna Aurera

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Speaker 1: says it will broaden access to the largest cryptocurrency the hope.

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Speaker 3: Bitcoin proponents and sort of crypto proponents think it's a

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Speaker 3: big deal because it sort of gives easier access to

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Speaker 3: mainstream investors to investing in crypto. One of the big

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Speaker 3: issues with cryptocurrencies is that you need to self custody it,

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Speaker 3: and that that's exposed is used to hacks and people

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Speaker 3: just stealing your asset. In this case, you would have

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Speaker 3: a custodian like coinbase sort of people that do it

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Speaker 3: professionally holding the underlying bitcoin, and you're just buying shares

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Speaker 3: in it.

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Speaker 1: Bloomberg Santa Rara says the sec authorized funds from industry

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Speaker 1: heavyweights black Rock and Vasco and Fidelity to smaller competitors

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Speaker 1: including Valkyrie that begin trading today.

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Speaker 2: Well, John, reaction is pouring in after the approval of

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Speaker 2: the bitcoin ETF, and we come up with SEC Commissioner

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Speaker 4: I'm delighted that we're at the end of this saga.

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Speaker 4: I know there's still there's still u there's still pieces

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Speaker 2: The decision by hester Perse and the SEC comes a

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Speaker 2: day after a false post on the SEC's x account

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Speaker 2: claiming that the agency had approved the ETFs. The regulator

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Speaker 2: subsequently said that the account had been compromised.

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Speaker 1: And OARC Investment Management. Kathy Woods says the approval of

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Speaker 1: the spot bitcoin ETF will be a price moving event

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Speaker 1: long term. She spoke with Bloomberg's Carol Masser after the

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Speaker 5: I was speaking to Eric belchunis her colleague, and according

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Speaker 5: to his estimates, there's there's four billion dollars waiting, you know,

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Speaker 5: in the wings. And I said to him, well, from

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Speaker 5: your lips to God's ears, that would be amazing.

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Speaker 1: Kathy would also slam the SEC Cherry Gary Gensler. She

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Speaker 1: says Gensler denigrated the whole cryptospace by reiterating the agency

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Speaker 1: does not endorse digital assets.

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Speaker 2: Well, we want to turn to the economy now, John,

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Speaker 2: and Wall Street is bracing for the latest inflation report.

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Speaker 2: Economists or forecasting consumer prices rose two tenths of a

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Speaker 2: percent in December. Let me get a preview from Bloomberg's

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Speaker 2: Michael McKee.

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Speaker 6: The question going into the CPI report is who will care?

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Speaker 6: The Fed is already locked into no change at the

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Speaker 6: January thirty first meeting, so and as expected number won't

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Speaker 6: affect the Central Bank's decision. It's the bond market that matters,

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Speaker 6: at least in the short run. Headline inflation is expected

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Speaker 6: to rise a base effect because inflation printed negative in

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Speaker 6: December of twenty twenty two, but core inflation is forecast

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Speaker 6: to keep falling. That's what the Fed wants to see.

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Speaker 6: Michael McKee, Bloomberg Radio.

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Speaker 1: All right, thanks Mike. The ahead of the New York

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Speaker 1: Federal reserves as the interistrates are now high enough to

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Speaker 1: bring down inflation. But John Williams also suggested that policy

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Speaker 1: makers need more evidence that price rises are slowing before

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Speaker 7: My base case is that the current restricted stance in

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Speaker 7: Monte policy will continue to restore balance and bring inflation

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Speaker 7: that we will need to maintain a restricted stance of

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Speaker 7: it will only be appropriate to dial back the degree

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Speaker 1: As New York Fed President John Williams, adding that any

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Speaker 8: Well.

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Speaker 2: Turning to politics now, John, The gloves were off during

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Speaker 2: last night's Republican debate in Iowa between Nicki Haley and

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Speaker 2: of mismanaging his campaign.

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Speaker 9: He has blown through one hundred and fifty million dollars.

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Speaker 9: I don't know how you do that through his campaign.

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Speaker 9: He has nothing to show for it. He spent more

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Speaker 10: To vote for him.

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Speaker 9: If you can't manage a campaign, how are you going

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Speaker 2: Disantus accused Haley of making misleading statements about her record

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Speaker 2: as governor. Well, that word.

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Speaker 8: Salad is the problem.

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Speaker 2: He's always supported school choice and she failed to deliver.

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Speaker 11: She blames other people.

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Speaker 12: Leadership is about getting things done, stop making.

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Speaker 2: Except DeSantis and Haley also discussed the border, Ukraine, and

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Speaker 2: abortion and Karen.

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Speaker 1: Two people noticeably absent from the debate, Donald Trump and

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Speaker 1: Chris Christie, the former New Jersey given and Chris Christie

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Speaker 1: suspended his presidential bid A hand of the event.

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Speaker 13: From the moment I got into the race. The decision

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Speaker 13: that I made was really simple. I would rather lose

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Speaker 13: by telling the truth then lie in order to win.

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Speaker 1: Christy also says he's going to make sure he does

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Speaker 1: not enable Donald Trump to ever be president again.

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Speaker 2: While speaking at the former President John He was counter

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Speaker 2: programming the debate last night, appearing in a town.

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Speaker 14: Hall on Fox News.

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Speaker 2: He used the platform to lay out his plan to

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Speaker 2: deport immigrants.

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Speaker 5: We are going to have the largest deportation effort in

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Speaker 5: the history of our country.

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Speaker 12: We're bringing everybody back to where they came from.

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Speaker 14: We have no choice.

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Speaker 2: Former President Trump is promising to fix the situation at

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Speaker 2: the border within twenty four hours of taking office.

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Speaker 1: And meantime, Donald Trump's legal troubles continued today he makes

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Speaker 1: an appearance at his civil fraud trial in New York.

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Speaker 1: More from Bloomberg's Amy Morris.

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Speaker 14: Today's hearing will cap a eleven week long trial in

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Speaker 14: which New York Attorney General Letitia James seeks to ban

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Speaker 14: Trump from the real estate industry within the state. Trump

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Speaker 14: wants to deliver a personal statement while in court his

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Speaker 14: own closing argument, but would not agree to the limits

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Speaker 14: the judge said on what he could say, so he

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Speaker 14: won't be allowed. Just as Arthur Engern had already held

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Speaker 14: Trump liable for fraud and is expected to deliver a

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Speaker 14: verdict in coming weeks now. In addition to this case,

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Speaker 14: Trump also faces five other trials, including a defamation suit.

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Speaker 14: In less than a week. Amy Moore as Bloomberg Radio.

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Speaker 2: All right, Amy, thank you, and Chesapeake has agreed to

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Speaker 2: buy Southwestern Energy for seven point four billion dollars. And

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Speaker 2: this is Bloomberg Time Now for a look at some

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Speaker 2: of the other stories making news around the world. And

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Speaker 2: for that we're joined by Bloomberg's Amy Morris. Amy, good morning,

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Speaker 8: Transportation Secretary Pete Budajet says Boeing's Max nine airplanes. Airplanes

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Speaker 8: rather will remain grounded until regulators say that they are

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Speaker 8: safe to fly. That dashes hopes for a quick return

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Speaker 6: Our concern and our fidelity is not to the success

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Speaker 8: Secretary Budajete did not specify how long it could take,

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Speaker 8: but says the process will not be rushed. He adds

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Speaker 8: Boeing has to demonstrate that every planet delivers to airlines

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Speaker 8: is one hundred percent safe. President Biden's son is scheduled

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Speaker 8: to appear in federal court today in Los Angeles on

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Speaker 8: tax charges. Today's hearing will be an arraignment for Hunter Biden,

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Speaker 8: who was accused of choosing not to pay more than

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Speaker 8: Republicans yesterday conducted a hearing to hold Biden in contempt

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Speaker 8: of Congress for defying a subpoena to sit for a

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Speaker 8: Biden's attorney, Abby Lowell.

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Speaker 12: Hunter chose a hearing where Republicans or could not distort, manipulate,

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Speaker 8: Republicans have tried to tie Hunter Biden's business dealings to

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Speaker 8: his father, but acknowledge they have found no concrete evidence

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Speaker 8: of wrongdoing, and former President Donald Trump is staying quiet

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Speaker 8: on who his choice for a vice president might be.

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Speaker 12: Well, I can't tell you that, really.

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Speaker 15: I mean, I know who it's going to be.

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Speaker 2: Give us a hint.

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Speaker 6: I'll give you.

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Speaker 9: We'll do another show sometime.

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Speaker 8: During last night's Fox Newstown Hall event, Trump said he's

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Speaker 8: open to his vice presidential choice being someone who's currently

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Speaker 8: competing against him for the GOP nomination. Experts who identify

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Speaker 11: To truly appreciate what Nick Saban accomplished as the football

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Speaker 11: one hundred and ninety nine games and lost only twenty three.

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Speaker 11: He won six national championships of a twelve year span,

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Speaker 11: at LSU. Saban has to be considered one of the

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Speaker 11: greatest coaches, if not the greatest, in college football history.

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Speaker 11: He's retiring at the age of seventy two, still at

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Speaker 11: the top of his game. Alabama nearly beat the eventual

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Speaker 11: to the Seahawks. He was great at USC, went to

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Speaker 11: playoffs nine times, won a Super Bowl. He won fifty

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Speaker 11: fifty one more games than any other coach that the

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Speaker 11: looking for a new coach, so that doesn't count New England,

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Speaker 11: where seventy one year old Bill Belichick is expected to

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Speaker 11: depart Kawhi Leonard a new deal with the Clippers. He

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Speaker 11: the Supermax. Clippers won last night, so did the Celtics

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Speaker 1: And good morning. I'm John Tucker. We want to continue

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Speaker 1: our coverage of the SEC authorization, the bitcoin spot ets

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Speaker 5: When you're talking about institutions that you know have been

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Speaker 5: I do think that a lot of investors have considered,

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Speaker 5: are curious out there. Of course, a lot of our

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Speaker 5: can see that as more and more people read our research,

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Speaker 5: tune into our Bitcoin brainstorm that we do with Rod

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Speaker 5: lot of people are waiting, and believe it or not,

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Speaker 5: Carol the curious extend to state pension funds and state

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Speaker 14: And this can I ask.

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Speaker 16: You, as you mentioned SEC chair Gary Gensler at the

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Speaker 16: the SEC approved all of those proposals for the spoppy

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Speaker 5: The old guard, you know, basically throw out there all

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Speaker 1: That was Arnick Investment. Kathy Wood speaking with our Carol

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Speaker 4: I'm delighted that we're at the end of this saga.

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Speaker 4: The chair is right to point out that this is

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Speaker 4: But it is a precedent people will point to.

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Speaker 12: That's the question, of course, We're all asking whether it

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Speaker 4: Again, you know, every application has to be considered on

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Speaker 10: What kind of fiduciary responsibilities are there for investment advisors

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Speaker 12: There were a few moments yesterday when we thought this

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Speaker 4: Well it is, I mean, as there was a statement

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Speaker 10: Well, that certainly has gotten the attention of many on

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Speaker 10: Capitol Hill. Commissioner, there have been many congressional Republicans who

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Speaker 4: Well, I haven't seen much progress on US as a

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Speaker 10: There are also just questions around fraud and manipulation. The

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Speaker 4: If people put out false information about a traditional security,

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