WEBVTT - Talkin' Cowboys: What To Expect For #DALvsPHI 0:00:02.040 --> 0:00:07.640 This he is Talking Cowboys, streaming live on Dallas Cowboys 0:00:07.640 --> 0:00:17.480 dot Com and the official Dallas Cowboys as No. Your hosts, 0:00:17.880 --> 0:00:23.240 Mickey's Fagnola, Brian Brought It, Taylor Stern and Rob Phillips 0:00:23.560 --> 0:00:28.479 Welcome everybody into the SWBC Mortgage Studio. It is Friday here, 0:00:28.560 --> 0:00:32.160 the last Friday of twenty seventeen, in the last Friday 0:00:32.200 --> 0:00:35.480 of the two thousand and seventeen season for the Dallas Cowboys. 0:00:35.840 --> 0:00:40.559 How's everyone feeling about that today? Oh? No, no, you're 0:00:40.600 --> 0:00:45.159 not bittersweet. Yeah, it's been a long journey. Certainly, has 0:00:45.200 --> 0:00:48.360 Bran maybe started. Yeah, we were a teamed that played 0:00:48.360 --> 0:00:51.440 five games the preseason, didn't even forgett a Hall of 0:00:51.440 --> 0:00:54.360 Fame owner, general manager. I mean a lot of things 0:00:54.480 --> 0:00:57.520 we've been You went to court cases, you learned legal terms, 0:00:58.360 --> 0:01:01.000 you learned what's right, what's wrong. I mean, there's so 0:01:01.000 --> 0:01:04.600 many things that we've kind of thought. Protest, Yeah, protests, 0:01:04.640 --> 0:01:08.680 you've learned about, Yeah, standing, kneeling, sitting, you know, a 0:01:08.720 --> 0:01:11.720 lot a lot going on in the injuries. Injuries, Oh, injuries, 0:01:11.760 --> 0:01:14.640 that's yeah, Yeah, and that's it's it's it's taking its toll. 0:01:14.720 --> 0:01:17.800 It's been a roller coaster so yes, again, now you 0:01:17.840 --> 0:01:19.680 have another season, and this is kind of what you 0:01:19.680 --> 0:01:21.640 just said, because I forgot about that you had five 0:01:21.640 --> 0:01:24.320 preseason games. I know you didn't play the Houston one, 0:01:24.360 --> 0:01:27.040 but that was still an exhausting day for everyone, and 0:01:27.280 --> 0:01:30.399 it was difficult for everybody, a hard week because state. Yeah, 0:01:30.440 --> 0:01:33.320 and then you know, the Cowboys turn around as an organization, 0:01:33.440 --> 0:01:35.520 and Mickey and I were doing a game, you know, 0:01:35.560 --> 0:01:38.040 at the AT and T Stadium there the practice game 0:01:38.080 --> 0:01:40.720 and raising money and all that, and yeah, it was 0:01:40.760 --> 0:01:43.280 just it was a really unusual start to the year. 0:01:43.319 --> 0:01:45.680 There were so many unknowns, and some of the things 0:01:45.720 --> 0:01:49.040 that we thought we're gonna be okay really weren't okay. 0:01:49.080 --> 0:01:51.520 And some of the things that, wow, Jylen Smiths really 0:01:51.520 --> 0:01:55.080 playing sixteen games, huh okay. So I mean it was 0:01:55.080 --> 0:01:57.080 that kind of It's it's been that kind of season, 0:01:57.160 --> 0:01:59.800 and I think that there's a lot of people that 0:01:59.840 --> 0:02:02.680 are willing to say, let's put this behind us and 0:02:03.040 --> 0:02:05.760 try and focus in on next year. So what I 0:02:05.800 --> 0:02:08.280 was gonna say, too, is another year now that the 0:02:08.520 --> 0:02:11.640 teams that participate in the Hall of Fame Game in 0:02:11.680 --> 0:02:15.560 the preseason do not make the playoffs. Yeah, is that 0:02:15.600 --> 0:02:18.200 a thing. That's a thing. Now, there's never been one 0:02:18.240 --> 0:02:19.760 to make this Super Bowl. There might have been a 0:02:19.840 --> 0:02:22.560 few that have made the playoffs here and there. Now 0:02:22.600 --> 0:02:24.239 people might be like, well, the Packers made it a 0:02:24.280 --> 0:02:25.960 few years ago. They didn't end up playing the game 0:02:26.320 --> 0:02:30.720 that canceled. Yeah, so um. More importantly, the NFC East 0:02:30.760 --> 0:02:35.799 defending champions have not repeated since two thousand and four. Wow, Philadelphia, right, 0:02:35.919 --> 0:02:40.160 that's crazy, that's parody for you. Last year to Philadelphia, 0:02:40.360 --> 0:02:42.800 a lot of questions at quarterback, was he the right guy? 0:02:43.560 --> 0:02:46.560 Now he's your MVP candidate and likely with him being 0:02:46.600 --> 0:02:50.600 out the Philadelphias. To me, they're done. I just watching 0:02:50.639 --> 0:02:53.160 them play, they're done. Every year. It makes you admire 0:02:53.200 --> 0:02:56.400 what the Patriots do every single year. Sure, it's it's 0:02:57.320 --> 0:02:59.600 mind boggling what they've been able to do for fifteen 0:02:59.680 --> 0:03:01.520 years when you think about how difficult it is to 0:03:01.560 --> 0:03:04.000 put together back to back playoff seasons, just two in 0:03:04.000 --> 0:03:06.520 a row, you know, and the Cowboys are trying to 0:03:06.520 --> 0:03:09.400 get back to back winning seasons for the first time 0:03:09.440 --> 0:03:12.880 in eight years and they still won't go to the postseason. 0:03:13.000 --> 0:03:15.880 It's it's a hard leak. It's set up to allow 0:03:15.960 --> 0:03:19.320 teams to bounce back every year, and the competition rises 0:03:19.320 --> 0:03:22.760 and falls, and it's really hard to maintain that level 0:03:22.800 --> 0:03:24.880 of success. Yeah. I was sitting next to Mickey on 0:03:24.919 --> 0:03:27.760 Sunday and that was right after the Jags game, or 0:03:27.760 --> 0:03:29.480 it was right before the Jags game was going to start, 0:03:29.480 --> 0:03:32.360 but they'd already clinched, and then the Rams had just won. 0:03:32.960 --> 0:03:36.320 And Mickey goes, when was the last time that both 0:03:36.360 --> 0:03:39.160 the Jags and the Rams won division titles? And we 0:03:39.200 --> 0:03:42.280 looked it up. It was nineteen ninety nine. Yeah, wow, 0:03:42.440 --> 0:03:45.680 greatest show on turf. Yeah, you know, it's funny about 0:03:45.680 --> 0:03:48.119 that too. Think about this, what if the Chargers get 0:03:48.120 --> 0:03:51.080 into the playoffs, So you had two teams, when's the 0:03:51.160 --> 0:03:54.720 last time in LA? You think about LA? They have 0:03:54.760 --> 0:03:57.160 to have two teams that nobody really gives a damn 0:03:57.160 --> 0:04:00.720 about public and they both could and they both could 0:04:00.720 --> 0:04:02.760 be the playoffs. Yeah. I mean, it's just been that 0:04:02.880 --> 0:04:05.280 kind of a year where, you know what, you knew 0:04:05.280 --> 0:04:07.360 that some teams, that's just the way the NFL is. 0:04:07.440 --> 0:04:11.760 Teams improve, you know, whether it's coaching, whether it's talent acquisition, 0:04:12.080 --> 0:04:14.920 whether it's a new general manager. You know, I talked 0:04:14.920 --> 0:04:16.880 to less Sneed, who's a GM in the Rams. He 0:04:16.880 --> 0:04:18.960 thought he was gonna get fired this time last year. 0:04:19.360 --> 0:04:21.400 I mean he was worried. I mean he's like, well, 0:04:21.440 --> 0:04:23.120 they're gonna bring in a new coach and they're gonna 0:04:23.160 --> 0:04:24.920 bring in a guy who wants power, and I'm gonna 0:04:24.960 --> 0:04:27.520 lose my job and all that. And now all those 0:04:27.560 --> 0:04:29.840 guys with what McVay has done, you know, they've just 0:04:29.920 --> 0:04:32.720 thing turned things around and everything's all happy and bright. 0:04:32.760 --> 0:04:35.600 There you've got the NBA ramping up, where there's two 0:04:35.640 --> 0:04:38.520 teams really that can win the title. Probably in the 0:04:38.640 --> 0:04:41.480 NFL is the exact opposite. Yeah, I mean it's literally 0:04:41.560 --> 0:04:44.719 thirty two teams every year you think has a shot, 0:04:44.800 --> 0:04:47.160 and I maybe you want to take the Browns out 0:04:47.200 --> 0:04:50.200 of that mix. Maybe it's thirty one. They're they're struggling, 0:04:50.240 --> 0:04:53.680 but it's it's parody. It's it's the way the cap works. 0:04:54.080 --> 0:04:57.599 And that's great, but it's hard to maintain that level 0:04:57.640 --> 0:04:59.880 of success. And the cow was gonna enter the offseason 0:05:00.040 --> 0:05:02.159 the same boat they always do. Probably a third of 0:05:02.160 --> 0:05:04.280 this roster is going to change. We're gonna see a 0:05:04.279 --> 0:05:07.160 lot of these guys for the last time on Sunday 0:05:07.279 --> 0:05:09.240 and then Monday when they clean out their lockers and 0:05:09.279 --> 0:05:12.160 had their exit interviews. So your New England things causing 0:05:12.200 --> 0:05:15.000 me to think when when would be the last time 0:05:15.080 --> 0:05:17.800 they didn't qualify for the playoffs. I want to say 0:05:17.800 --> 0:05:20.120 it's two thousand and five when Matt Castle. Yeah, they 0:05:20.120 --> 0:05:24.159 were eleven and five, eleven games without Britty. So here's 0:05:24.200 --> 0:05:27.839 my question. How many times has another team from the 0:05:27.880 --> 0:05:33.560 AFC East qualified as a wild card team? Well, last day, 0:05:33.720 --> 0:05:36.240 two years, Dolphins went to Dolphins went to was it 0:05:36.320 --> 0:05:40.560 last year? The Dolphins went to Pittsburgh? Last year? Yeah, okay, yeah, 0:05:40.600 --> 0:05:42.640 and then the year before the Jets ended at ten 0:05:42.680 --> 0:05:45.120 and six. They were knocked out because the Bills beat 0:05:45.120 --> 0:05:47.400 them in, so they didn't qualify. Well, hey, the Jets, 0:05:47.520 --> 0:05:49.640 the Jets got to a couple. I wish I had 0:05:49.720 --> 0:05:51.840 my book right now here we answer my own question. 0:05:51.920 --> 0:05:54.520 Got to because my feeble memory doesn't help me. Yeah, 0:05:54.520 --> 0:05:56.360 I know that. I know that Miami got in last 0:05:56.440 --> 0:05:59.880 year with with Ogin's Pittsburgh. Yeah, last year, right, as 0:06:00.279 --> 0:06:03.880 as a wild card. Yeah, My point is there hadn't 0:06:03.920 --> 0:06:07.080 been many challenges to New England in that division for 0:06:07.120 --> 0:06:09.960 a decade. Yeah, Well, they've been pretty good regard they have. Yeah, 0:06:10.000 --> 0:06:14.800 I mean, but there hasn't been another team to say, oh, 0:06:14.800 --> 0:06:16.720 maybe we're gonna split with them, and we got a 0:06:16.800 --> 0:06:19.159 chance to win the division. I think the biggest I 0:06:19.160 --> 0:06:21.360 think the biggest thing I had with this division. If 0:06:21.360 --> 0:06:24.520 you ask me the preseason to rank where and I 0:06:24.560 --> 0:06:29.320 did the talent level of Okay, who were the ranked 0:06:29.320 --> 0:06:32.240 the four teams in the division of talent? Do you 0:06:32.240 --> 0:06:34.480 guys have an idea how you would do that? I 0:06:34.800 --> 0:06:36.920 know what I did, But I knew the Giants were 0:06:37.120 --> 0:06:40.279 top two. Giants were one number two team. Yeah, I 0:06:40.279 --> 0:06:42.800 thought that Cowboys coming in, and then the Giants were 0:06:42.880 --> 0:06:46.200 number two because I actually, yeah, i'd Philly and then 0:06:46.320 --> 0:06:48.840 you know, I mean, it's crazy to believe that the 0:06:48.880 --> 0:06:51.159 Giants were as bad as they were. I think we 0:06:51.240 --> 0:06:54.039 felt like their defense could carry them again. And you 0:06:54.120 --> 0:06:56.960 still have Eli Manning. But we pointed out week one 0:06:57.640 --> 0:07:00.560 the deficiencies they had upfront and the running game. And 0:07:00.600 --> 0:07:02.760 then you lose a couple receivers and you get banged up. 0:07:02.800 --> 0:07:05.680 This is what happens. Yeah, but before they lost those receivers, 0:07:05.680 --> 0:07:09.159 everybody was like, oh, look at those receivers they brought in. Yeah, 0:07:09.200 --> 0:07:11.360 you know, oh, how are you going to Brandon Marshall 0:07:11.480 --> 0:07:14.040 And we kept saying, oh, offensive line, how are you 0:07:14.080 --> 0:07:16.880 going to protect the quarterbright? And then their defense was 0:07:16.920 --> 0:07:19.280 going to be out of this world true and it wasn't, 0:07:19.840 --> 0:07:22.080 and then they stuffered some injuries. I think offense. I 0:07:22.080 --> 0:07:24.040 think the point I'm trying to make is the talent 0:07:24.200 --> 0:07:27.560 level in this division as opposed to the AFC East. 0:07:28.200 --> 0:07:31.560 Is that fair to say? Yes, that that that the Dolphins, 0:07:31.680 --> 0:07:35.080 the Bills, and the Jets just aren't as talented as 0:07:35.120 --> 0:07:38.600 the Giants, the Redskins. You know, well just may he 0:07:38.680 --> 0:07:42.280 was playing quarterback for those teams. Yeah, you got a 0:07:42.280 --> 0:07:44.320 Hall of Famer and Eli Manning, whether you like or not. 0:07:44.400 --> 0:07:47.480 And then no, no, no, I mean in the AFC East. 0:07:47.680 --> 0:07:52.440 Oh yeah, Jay Cutler, Cutler comes off the couch, Tyrod Taylor, 0:07:52.480 --> 0:07:58.680 Tyrod Taylor. Yeah, and then the Jets. I didn't mean 0:07:58.720 --> 0:08:01.240 to start this conversation by minimizing what the Patriots have 0:08:01.280 --> 0:08:03.480 done for No, I'm not trying to minimize. No, they 0:08:03.480 --> 0:08:07.840 haven't been challenged, is what I'm saying. Right, Yeah, I 0:08:07.880 --> 0:08:10.280 think they've been challenged in the playoffs. Yeah, yeah, they've 0:08:10.320 --> 0:08:13.080 been challenged. Yeah, but they they've had to go win 0:08:13.120 --> 0:08:15.360 a game at Denver. No. The reason I said that 0:08:15.480 --> 0:08:18.320 was because of what's happened in the NFC East. It's 0:08:18.320 --> 0:08:21.480 been a different champion every year. Somebody has been good 0:08:21.560 --> 0:08:24.160 enough to win. It. Probably need to focus on this team, Tay, 0:08:24.360 --> 0:08:25.880 Sorry we took it. No, No, I mean, you know 0:08:25.920 --> 0:08:27.960 it is what it is. What's going on in this 0:08:28.000 --> 0:08:29.560 team right now is a lot to do with what's 0:08:29.600 --> 0:08:31.560 going to happen in twenty and eighteen. We look at 0:08:31.720 --> 0:08:35.360 Tyron Smith and Orlando Scandrick place on IR today as 0:08:35.400 --> 0:08:38.840 Brant is back at practice today after missing yesterday with 0:08:38.880 --> 0:08:41.800 the tendonitis, and you know, it's an up and down 0:08:41.840 --> 0:08:43.960 season and I think we all kind of expected that 0:08:44.000 --> 0:08:46.440 with Orlando and Tyrn for this week. But what are 0:08:46.440 --> 0:08:50.320 your thoughts on that? Yeah? This, you know, I give 0:08:50.440 --> 0:08:52.640 Tyron Smith a lot of credit for trying to do 0:08:52.679 --> 0:08:55.000 what he could do. You know, I feel like that 0:08:55.120 --> 0:08:58.520 he seriously, Yeah, every week it was a challenge for him. 0:08:58.520 --> 0:09:02.040 Excuse me. They tried to They tried to balance practice 0:09:02.080 --> 0:09:05.040 for him, They tried to make it as making as 0:09:05.040 --> 0:09:08.160 comfortable as possible to play for these games. He clearly 0:09:08.240 --> 0:09:10.920 wasn't the same player, you know, and there were times 0:09:10.960 --> 0:09:14.160 where he tyron was outstanding and there were times where 0:09:14.640 --> 0:09:17.199 you could say, Okay, did the back causing problems here? 0:09:17.240 --> 0:09:19.880 Did just the matchup causing problems here? He wasn't the 0:09:19.920 --> 0:09:22.440 same player that we've seen from him before, and I 0:09:22.480 --> 0:09:24.920 think with a back injury you have to have some concern. 0:09:25.440 --> 0:09:28.400 Offensive line, he plays a position where he leverages people, 0:09:28.760 --> 0:09:31.160 you know, and will his back hold up? It sound 0:09:31.200 --> 0:09:33.520 like that he doesn't need surgery. But you know, Jason 0:09:33.559 --> 0:09:36.400 Garrett didn't rule anything out, you know, he said, hey, 0:09:36.440 --> 0:09:38.880 this is something you know we talk about another day. 0:09:38.920 --> 0:09:41.520 But I think it's a credit to him to try 0:09:41.600 --> 0:09:45.079 and play Scandrick. To me, you know, anything I say 0:09:45.080 --> 0:09:47.880 about Scandrick has taken as sour grapes because of my 0:09:47.960 --> 0:09:51.360 relationship or lack of with him. But I think this 0:09:51.400 --> 0:09:53.640 was a really a failed year for him. He got 0:09:53.640 --> 0:09:56.840 the captain's ship. I've said that a bunce, you know, 0:09:57.120 --> 0:09:59.800 and then the young kids have come in. It's ended 0:09:59.840 --> 0:10:02.240 his career and he's had a very good career here. 0:10:02.440 --> 0:10:05.080 He really has. You know, whether whether you like his 0:10:05.160 --> 0:10:07.199 personality or not, or whether you get along with him 0:10:07.280 --> 0:10:09.560 or not, but he has had a good career here, 0:10:09.600 --> 0:10:11.880 and if it is his last campaign with the Cowboys, 0:10:12.320 --> 0:10:15.640 you know, I'll remember him as a good football player. Here. Well, 0:10:15.960 --> 0:10:19.640 the e things insignificant. They were both going to be inactive. Yeah, 0:10:19.720 --> 0:10:22.280 So it was just basically a vehicle to give two 0:10:22.280 --> 0:10:25.840 guys on the practice squad, basically a twenty thousand dollars 0:10:26.440 --> 0:10:29.719 happy New Year gift because they get to they get 0:10:29.760 --> 0:10:31.920 to get on the fifty three man roster. Who knows 0:10:31.920 --> 0:10:34.360 if they'll be active on game day or not. I 0:10:34.360 --> 0:10:36.760 think Lenora has a chance. I think he does, especially 0:10:36.840 --> 0:10:40.400 if Noah Brown remained sick. Yeah. Well, yeah, Noah Brown. 0:10:40.520 --> 0:10:43.040 Cole Beasley is sick too, right, Cole Beasley's the one 0:10:43.040 --> 0:10:46.640 had practiced all week, and Butler hadn't played in seemingly 0:10:46.720 --> 0:10:50.280 forever three weeks. Yeah, so maybe they need another wide receiver. 0:10:50.679 --> 0:10:55.920 Trayvon Johnson. He's got a chance to be up this week, especial, Yeah, 0:10:55.960 --> 0:10:58.760 taking Durant spot. Yeah, I think that. Well, Durant has 0:10:58.760 --> 0:11:01.480 been in interactive every week, he hadn't been playing, so yeah, 0:11:01.559 --> 0:11:03.280 I mean, but you have to figure out, you have 0:11:03.360 --> 0:11:05.600 to figure out where, uh you know, where you can 0:11:05.640 --> 0:11:09.920 add him to the mix. Uh, you know, I just 0:11:09.960 --> 0:11:12.280 don't get the feeling, you know, when you when you 0:11:12.320 --> 0:11:14.560 start the one guy, like I say, the reason why 0:11:14.600 --> 0:11:16.720 I said Lenore, and I'm sorry, I'm gonna get to 0:11:16.720 --> 0:11:19.400 your answer, I swear I am. But the one guy 0:11:19.440 --> 0:11:22.680 I get the feeling that practices with the first team 0:11:22.679 --> 0:11:25.719 and gets first team work is Lenore. That's and then 0:11:25.720 --> 0:11:28.920 the other ones Kadeem Edwards and stuff like that. I 0:11:29.000 --> 0:11:31.400 just think, like Tay was saying, and Mickey was saying, 0:11:31.400 --> 0:11:35.040 a nice thank you very much being a hard worker 0:11:35.080 --> 0:11:37.720 all year long. And then it also doesn't have to 0:11:37.760 --> 0:11:41.599 make them, uh sign future I mean the future contracts. 0:11:41.600 --> 0:11:44.240 They could say, Okay, we've got those two guys taking 0:11:44.280 --> 0:11:46.400 care of let's focus on some of the other guys. 0:11:46.960 --> 0:11:51.320 But I don't I don't see I don't see him 0:11:51.360 --> 0:11:54.720 being an active guy. He's a more twenty eighteen guy. Yeah, 0:11:54.720 --> 0:11:57.560 I meant the prop he's not going to make you 0:11:57.600 --> 0:12:00.920 not draft a linebacker, you know, Yeah, I mean, you 0:12:00.920 --> 0:12:03.000 know he's going to be part of Okay, come in 0:12:03.160 --> 0:12:06.320 and compete, come in and be a guy. And obviously 0:12:06.559 --> 0:12:09.040 they liked him enough to say, hey, we want you 0:12:09.080 --> 0:12:12.000 around here, and they're willing to say, justin Durant, thank 0:12:12.040 --> 0:12:14.640 you very much, but we need your spot, and Justin 0:12:14.760 --> 0:12:17.080 Durant was probably happy to give it to him, talking 0:12:17.080 --> 0:12:19.160 about I mean that guy could play. I mean if 0:12:19.160 --> 0:12:22.760 they wanted to get him active special teams. Yeah, you 0:12:22.800 --> 0:12:25.800 know you seet in March Lillard, Yeah, what were you 0:12:25.800 --> 0:12:29.560 gonna say? Rob? Well, just you mentioned Skandrick and he 0:12:29.679 --> 0:12:33.959 basically spoke in past tense yesterday. Sure he did about 0:12:33.960 --> 0:12:36.000 his time with the Cowboys, and he's smart. He knows 0:12:36.040 --> 0:12:38.480 he's under contract. He doesn't know what's going to happen. 0:12:39.120 --> 0:12:42.120 I guess there's always a chance he's back, but you know, 0:12:42.160 --> 0:12:44.800 he thanked the Joneses for his time with the organization. 0:12:44.840 --> 0:12:48.680 If he is let go or potentially traded, we'll see. 0:12:49.320 --> 0:12:51.079 Jerry was asked about it on the fan this morning 0:12:51.080 --> 0:12:53.600 and basically Jerry just said he's under contract and that's 0:12:53.640 --> 0:12:55.280 where we are, so we'll see what happens. I think 0:12:55.280 --> 0:12:58.800 Skandrick recognizes the youth movement that we've seen in the 0:12:58.840 --> 0:13:02.480 secondary over the last month, and he said those, I mean, 0:13:02.480 --> 0:13:05.320 he admits those guys who are playing well, so it 0:13:05.440 --> 0:13:08.160 might be time to move on. We'll see. He might 0:13:08.160 --> 0:13:11.320 have played his last game in Dallas. Well, I think 0:13:11.480 --> 0:13:14.320 in his mind he has. Yeah, I think it was 0:13:14.360 --> 0:13:17.600 in his mind three weeks ago he was done. He 0:13:17.760 --> 0:13:20.360 wasn't gonna go play. He was gonna make a business decision. Yeah. 0:13:20.520 --> 0:13:23.079 It's like if I'm gonna if I'm gonna have a 0:13:23.160 --> 0:13:25.840 chance to be traded or a chance in free adency, 0:13:25.920 --> 0:13:28.360 if I'm a release, I want to make sure I'm healthy. Yeah, 0:13:28.440 --> 0:13:30.200 I don't want to go into there with you know, 0:13:30.400 --> 0:13:33.600 questions add back. Yeah, so I don't think he wanted 0:13:33.600 --> 0:13:36.120 to play. Yeah, it wasn't that they didn't let him play. 0:13:36.160 --> 0:13:39.040 I don't think he wanted to play. Yeah. Always one 0:13:39.040 --> 0:13:43.559 of the interesting characters. And I mean I mean that 0:13:43.720 --> 0:13:46.760 in respect. I really do. I respect the way the 0:13:46.800 --> 0:13:51.120 guy played. He's a smart guy. He's at SIS. Yeah, 0:13:51.120 --> 0:13:53.000 he's he's played through some things. But you know what, 0:13:53.080 --> 0:13:55.160 he realizes he's one of those guys. He's not one 0:13:55.160 --> 0:13:57.559 of those guys that walked in here with with blinders on. 0:13:58.160 --> 0:14:00.520 He walked in here, he was he had a chip 0:14:00.520 --> 0:14:02.400 on his shoulder the immediate the day he got here. 0:14:02.400 --> 0:14:04.640 He was a fifth round pick at a Boise State belt. 0:14:04.679 --> 0:14:07.080 He should have been drafted and he and he and 0:14:07.120 --> 0:14:09.600 he felt like he got blackballed. He'll even say it. 0:14:09.640 --> 0:14:13.440 He felt like he got blackballed. Yeah. Boys, Yeah, coaches 0:14:13.480 --> 0:14:15.800 didn't talk about me nice and know blah blah blah. 0:14:16.160 --> 0:14:18.560 Always had a chip on his shoulder. I respect him 0:14:18.600 --> 0:14:21.760 for that, you know, But playing nine years with the 0:14:21.800 --> 0:14:24.280 same team, Yeah, no, I mean and then and then, 0:14:24.280 --> 0:14:26.960 you know, he's always kept his salary where there was 0:14:27.000 --> 0:14:29.960 never a question about letting him go. It was never like, boy, 0:14:30.000 --> 0:14:32.480 he makes too much money. It was always kind of 0:14:32.520 --> 0:14:37.760 did his deals and to your increment years Yeah, yeah, sure, yeah, sure, 0:14:37.800 --> 0:14:39.520 you could take money for me, but you're going to 0:14:39.560 --> 0:14:41.400 give it back to me, and he would get it 0:14:41.440 --> 0:14:44.320 back double or triple what it was. And he you know, 0:14:44.760 --> 0:14:46.880 he never made enough players on the ball. He never 0:14:46.920 --> 0:14:50.760 intercepted the ball. He's kind of the typical cowboy cornerback 0:14:50.840 --> 0:14:53.440 that we've seen in the last ten years, you know, 0:14:53.720 --> 0:14:57.040 just never made enough plays. But but here's the other thing, 0:14:58.200 --> 0:15:00.720 and I'm sure they will con it or some of this. 0:15:01.640 --> 0:15:05.160 They have to be very careful and not be cavalier 0:15:05.480 --> 0:15:08.720 about getting rid of guys and putting more dead money 0:15:08.760 --> 0:15:11.280 into the salary cap. Sure, because they will start the 0:15:11.360 --> 0:15:15.240 year before as soon as the year starts with fourteen 0:15:15.320 --> 0:15:19.440 million dollars in dead money already for twenty eighteen, Scandrick 0:15:19.440 --> 0:15:22.280 will be roughly another four right if he's not here 0:15:22.360 --> 0:15:25.760 unless he's a June one designation. I think, where's the 0:15:25.760 --> 0:15:32.400 other dead money coming from? Romo? Romo Thornton and those 0:15:32.440 --> 0:15:34.520 you're big two? I believe there was two guys that 0:15:34.600 --> 0:15:38.920 had the same amount. Um, was it Nolan Carroll? But 0:15:38.960 --> 0:15:41.120 that was and it was Carroll. Yeah, those those four, 0:15:41.280 --> 0:15:45.080 those three guys are nearly fourteen million in dead money. Yeah. 0:15:45.160 --> 0:15:47.880 Nine of it's Romos yeah wow. And then the other 0:15:48.120 --> 0:15:51.359 the other two guys is two and a half and two. Yeah, 0:15:51.440 --> 0:15:53.000 I think, so you have to be careful, you know 0:15:53.080 --> 0:15:57.360 when everybody talks about Deaz, okay, that's another eight. Yeah, 0:15:57.400 --> 0:16:00.400 you know, talk about Crawford. I don't know the six. 0:16:00.480 --> 0:16:02.640 I don't see des as being a guy that's going 0:16:02.680 --> 0:16:04.840 to be released. I don't either, that's me. I don't know. 0:16:05.000 --> 0:16:06.760 But but the way the way things have gone for 0:16:06.880 --> 0:16:09.280 Orlando Scandrick, yeah I do. I felt like that was 0:16:09.360 --> 0:16:11.600 a leading and I understand what he's saying today when 0:16:11.680 --> 0:16:13.720 Dees was asked that a little bit the way he 0:16:13.760 --> 0:16:15.240 was asked, Yeah, the way he was asked. You know, 0:16:15.240 --> 0:16:16.600 if you go back and listen to it, I mean, 0:16:16.640 --> 0:16:18.520 I don't know who asked this specific question, but it's 0:16:18.600 --> 0:16:20.080 kind of like, hey, you think you're going to be 0:16:20.120 --> 0:16:22.360 here or not? You know, you give that answer like 0:16:23.560 --> 0:16:26.320 it's so uncertain for these guys. You know, if he's like, hell, 0:16:26.400 --> 0:16:28.360 yeah I am. You know that I believe in me. 0:16:28.760 --> 0:16:32.800 But next my answer to that would have been, next question. Yeah, 0:16:32.840 --> 0:16:36.680 I don't have to answer that, Marvin Lewis. It's contract stuff. Yeah, 0:16:36.720 --> 0:16:39.040 you know, are you willing to take a pay cut? 0:16:39.640 --> 0:16:42.920 Next question? I don't have to answer that. Sure, that's hard. 0:16:43.200 --> 0:16:45.160 Then that question is like what kind of none of 0:16:45.200 --> 0:16:47.200 your business? One of them, because it's like, if you're 0:16:47.280 --> 0:16:49.240 willing to take a pay cut, do you believe in yourself? 0:16:49.320 --> 0:16:51.960 Are you not really strong enough? There's a way, there's 0:16:51.960 --> 0:16:54.280 a way to work around that. We all know the answer. 0:16:54.360 --> 0:16:57.040 We all know the answer. Hey, listen, it's that's something 0:16:57.040 --> 0:16:59.800 in the offseason. That's not my pay grade. No, that's 0:16:59.840 --> 0:17:02.960 not I I mean, you know, the owner has an 0:17:02.960 --> 0:17:05.840 open door policy, the head coach has an open door policy, 0:17:05.960 --> 0:17:08.480 and you know own the player and the and the 0:17:08.640 --> 0:17:10.600 the head coach have already spoken. I think the next 0:17:10.600 --> 0:17:12.760 thing that's going to happen is the player's going to 0:17:12.840 --> 0:17:15.520 talk to the owner general manager. Well, Jerry was very, 0:17:16.440 --> 0:17:18.560 very supportive of Dez on the fan sure he was 0:17:18.720 --> 0:17:20.840 said he had a lot, has a lot left in 0:17:20.880 --> 0:17:24.160 the tank. H feels like he's really evolved since he's 0:17:24.200 --> 0:17:28.760 been here. I talked about his maturity, was not concerned 0:17:28.760 --> 0:17:31.040 about his comments that he made. And that was about 0:17:31.080 --> 0:17:33.240 a fifteen minute interview with reporters earlier this week. Can 0:17:33.240 --> 0:17:35.480 I can I throw something out? Did Tony Romo have 0:17:35.560 --> 0:17:39.480 a problem throwing the ball to Roy Williams? Well, what's 0:17:39.480 --> 0:17:44.639 going back a little ways, Mickey. He never really connected 0:17:44.680 --> 0:17:49.000 with Roy Williams, did he? Yeah, but I think there 0:17:49.080 --> 0:17:52.240 was some Roy Williams problems. Okay, I'm just saying, though 0:17:52.400 --> 0:17:54.720 Dez and Dak we make a big deal about that. Yeah, 0:17:54.720 --> 0:17:57.200 but they had no problem connecting last year. No, I'm 0:17:57.240 --> 0:18:00.000 just saying though, I'm just saying when you bring up 0:18:00.200 --> 0:18:02.800 the lack of connection, Romo has had his issues with 0:18:02.880 --> 0:18:07.240 other receivers before. I'm just saying it happens with quarterbacks 0:18:07.240 --> 0:18:08.800 and receiver and thought of that. You know, when we 0:18:08.840 --> 0:18:11.120 talk about Tony it's always in the vein. Roy Williams 0:18:11.119 --> 0:18:13.359 was a bust here, Let's be honest. It's always in 0:18:13.400 --> 0:18:15.720 the vein of with Tony. It's like, well, Tony threw 0:18:15.760 --> 0:18:18.320 this guy opening well, Tony and Tony made, and Tony 0:18:18.400 --> 0:18:22.800 made that kid they got from San Diego, Leron Robinson 0:18:22.840 --> 0:18:26.320 made him. You know, that's fair. But I'm saying they 0:18:26.400 --> 0:18:29.040 made a big commitment to go get Roy Williams. They 0:18:29.080 --> 0:18:31.720 made a big commitment to pay Roy Williams that never 0:18:31.760 --> 0:18:34.880 worked out, and and a lot of it was not 0:18:35.000 --> 0:18:38.359 on just totally on Roy Williams. Tony Romo had trouble 0:18:38.400 --> 0:18:40.959 throwing him the football. You know what you're You're starting 0:18:41.000 --> 0:18:43.240 to come clear again. Yeah, well, I mean obviously Roy's 0:18:43.240 --> 0:18:45.720 production was not good when he was here. It was terrible. Yeah, 0:18:45.760 --> 0:18:47.879 it was a terrible kid. It was a terrible trade. 0:18:47.920 --> 0:18:50.360 It was a terrible extension of a contract. I think 0:18:50.359 --> 0:18:53.000 they resigned him before sure they did, really got there, 0:18:53.040 --> 0:18:55.120 Sure they did. Oh, that was part of the trade. 0:18:55.280 --> 0:18:58.400 He came in a game another contract. Yeah. Right, By 0:18:58.400 --> 0:19:00.800 the way, Detroit didn't want him in anymore. I'm just 0:19:00.880 --> 0:19:06.920 telling you though, that quarterbacks and receivers, especially elite receivers 0:19:07.240 --> 0:19:11.000 don't always mesh. Can you fix it or just go 0:19:11.080 --> 0:19:15.240 back to where it was? I mean, what happened? Explain 0:19:15.320 --> 0:19:20.000 it to me? Offensive line? Yeah, yeah, it was a 0:19:20.040 --> 0:19:23.520 big problem. He's right, he said this all along offensive 0:19:23.560 --> 0:19:25.840 line is why your season is the way it is. 0:19:26.920 --> 0:19:31.080 In my opinion, your left tackle situation, your left guard situation. 0:19:31.600 --> 0:19:33.879 You're waiting on your right tackle to get better. And 0:19:33.920 --> 0:19:36.000 it finally happened. But it took a while. It took. 0:19:36.119 --> 0:19:38.520 It was too late. You'd already you'd already spent games, 0:19:39.160 --> 0:19:43.720 you'd already spent games trying to fix the thing. Yeah, 0:19:43.760 --> 0:19:46.520 but I'm just saying. I'm just saying, when you want 0:19:46.560 --> 0:19:50.720 to dump on Dez about the connection with Prescott, go 0:19:50.800 --> 0:19:53.400 back and remember if you're if you're a Tony Romo fan, 0:19:53.520 --> 0:19:58.120 go back and remember his problems with Roy Williams. Remember 0:19:58.200 --> 0:20:01.520 that because they were big. Well that's a perfect segue, 0:20:01.600 --> 0:20:03.760 because we are going to get into whether Dez will 0:20:03.800 --> 0:20:05.560