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Speaker 1: Wake that ass up in the morning.

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Speaker 2: Breakfast Club.

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Speaker 1: Morning.

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Speaker 3: Everybody is DJ Envy Charlamagne the guy. We are the

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Speaker 3: Breakfast Club. You got a special guest in the building.

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Speaker 3: He's back, Vivik Ramaswami. Welcome back.

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Speaker 1: It's good to see you. Man.

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Speaker 3: I'll say your name right this time.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for asking. It's vivec like vivic like cake. Okay, Vivik,

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Speaker 1: you got it. Well.

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Speaker 3: Last time you were here, you were running for president.

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Speaker 3: That's right in that ancient past, ancient past, but six

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Speaker 3: days ago.

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Speaker 1: Must have been feels like an eternity of this.

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Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, but now your your roles have changing and

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Speaker 3: you're no longer running for president.

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Speaker 1: That's right. So for people that.

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Speaker 3: Don't know, why are you not on that run anymore?

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Speaker 3: What made you pull out?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I mean, look, the people of Iowa spoke loud and clear.

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Speaker 1: I got about eight percent, which I started at, not

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Speaker 1: zero percent, but I started at zero point zero percent

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Speaker 1: and we made it to eight percent in Iowa. If

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Speaker 1: you looked at who were the second choice to Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump and Iowa, so if he weren't on the ballot,

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Speaker 1: I would have been number one. But the people spoke

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Speaker 1: loud and clear they wanted not only in America first candidate,

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Speaker 1: but they wanted the one who they voted for before,

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Speaker 1: and they want him to get back in there and

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Speaker 1: get that job done. And So for me, the first

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Speaker 1: moment that it became clear that I was not going

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Speaker 1: to be the next president, you know, absent terrible things

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Speaker 1: happening in this country that we don't want to see happen,

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Speaker 1: I pulled myself out of the race, gave support to

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump. And I think that's the right thing for

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Speaker 1: the country, is to allow the people of this country

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Speaker 1: to make a choice. It's the beauty of our country.

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Speaker 1: It's not a monarchy, it's not an autocracy. The people

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Speaker 1: of this country get to decide who runs the country.

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Speaker 1: And the people spoke loud and clear in Iowa.

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Speaker 4: And so that night you said you was number one

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Speaker 4: behind Trump.

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, among second choice to Trump. So among the

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Speaker 1: people who voted for Trump, who would be who would

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Speaker 1: be their second choice? That would actually have been me. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: America first, right. And I don't use the word Republican anymore.

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Speaker 1: I think that label has lost its meaning. I think

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Speaker 1: the Republican Party, I think both parties really need to

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Speaker 1: rediscover who they are. But the movement that I'm part

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Speaker 1: of and that I was aiming to lead, was one

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Speaker 1: that says, we put the interests of American citizens first.

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Speaker 1: America first includes all Americans, but we put our interests,

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Speaker 1: our citizens interests first. Anyway, I got about eight percent

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Speaker 1: And so that night we were prepared to go to

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Speaker 1: we saw the results come in, we were going to

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Speaker 1: go to the campaign office. Instead, I just took some

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Speaker 1: to look at it every which way. We're squinting at

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Speaker 1: path forward. Then we just took a step back and said,

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Speaker 1: all right, what is what is God's plan here? It

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Speaker 1: has revealed itself and it doesn't include me being the

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Speaker 1: Republican nominee for US president. Personal money close to thirty

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Speaker 4: Out of your own potez.

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Speaker 2: And so what happens with that money is the tax

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Speaker 2: tax right off or it's gone and it's gone. Wow.

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Speaker 1: And I've donated, I mean, I've gotten in the habit

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Speaker 1: wasn't the money. I mean to take a year doing

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Speaker 1: what we did. My wife is the hero of this story.

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Speaker 1: To tell you, the truth is she was. She's a

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Speaker 1: what she's doing. That's excellent for people that depend on her.

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Speaker 1: And we made that work. And so with two kids,

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Speaker 1: say more significant than the financial investment.

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Speaker 4: What's the most you ever lost in just an investment

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Speaker 1: Oh, the ups and downs on a given day or

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Speaker 1: just based on how the market goes. Yeah, so it's

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Speaker 1: It's within the margin of error of how it goes.

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Speaker 1: But I'm not one of these people that is, you know,

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Speaker 1: made their well known clearly. There's many ways to change

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Speaker 1: whatever way we can going forward.

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Speaker 3: This will make money for you. I'm sure you write

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Speaker 3: a book. I'm sure you'll be ANALYSTOK.

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Speaker 1: I don't really make serious money I've written. I've written

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Speaker 1: best selling books. I mean the They're not needle movers

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Speaker 1: expressing the ideas in there. I don't particularly care to

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Speaker 1: monetize this experience. I mean, if you, if you're sitting

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Speaker 1: I mean some people politicians have come out give you,

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Speaker 1: make sure that what we began, which I do think

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Speaker 1: not going anywhere. I haven't decided what I'm doing next.

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Speaker 3: What's your relationship with Trump?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we have a good relationship, mutual respect from time

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Speaker 2: Hopefully make sure. Well.

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Speaker 1: It's because the public impression of what you see of

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Speaker 4: Public impression.

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Speaker 1: So I'll just give you so one of the things

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Speaker 1: details relating to US funding of NATO, specific country's obligations,

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Speaker 1: It struck me as a guy who's looking after the

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Speaker 1: I can actually converse with over time. I think he

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Speaker 1: was probably surprised when I started running for president, but

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Speaker 1: I think over the course of the process you running

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Speaker 1: say pretty much all of the candidates pretty well. And

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Speaker 1: my relationship with Trump has been positive. I think we

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Speaker 4: One more question about your business.

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Speaker 2: Are you worried that you know, people hear your political view,

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Speaker 2: your ideologies on things, and he think that it'll you

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Speaker 2: think it'll impact your business in the future.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So That's why I stepped down from all of

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Speaker 1: my businesses before running for president. I think that so

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Speaker 1: this is just me speaking for me, not for anybody else.

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Speaker 1: I think if I was elected president, I would have divested,

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Speaker 1: And if I ever do become president, I think the

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Speaker 1: right thing to do is to divest all of your

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Speaker 1: holdings so you're not thinking about what advances your business interest.

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Speaker 1: I'm speaking for myself. Yeah, and so I think that

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Speaker 1: that's what I would do if I were the president.

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Speaker 1: And it also is actually better for your businesses too,

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Speaker 1: because one of the things I did even before running

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Speaker 1: actually shut down that deep state, as I believe we

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Speaker 1: need to, I think he has that conviction. I definitely do. Then, Yes, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to go in there and do everything I

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Speaker 1: can to make that happen. But that's what my focus

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Speaker 1: was in this race, and I think there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of ways to drive change even outside of government, to

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Speaker 1: at least kill the swamp outside of government as well.

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Speaker 1: And so that's what I'm evaluating right now. Haven't made

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Speaker 1: any solid plans on what comes next.

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Speaker 2: You set the record for the most campaign events ever

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Speaker 2: in Iowa.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely.

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Speaker 4: Why do you think that didn't translate the voice.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, if you look at where we started,

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Speaker 1: I think the law most people started zero percent stayed

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Speaker 1: zero percent. Most people started zero point zero percent stayed

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Speaker 1: zero point zero percent. And so for me coming out

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Speaker 1: as a guy whose name most people couldn't pronounce at

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Speaker 1: the start, didn't know, some of them still can't pronounce

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Speaker 1: in a state like Iowa, and you know, I'm beating

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Speaker 1: former vice presidents, US senators, multiple governors in that same race.

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Speaker 1: I'm proud of what we accomplished in a short period

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Speaker 1: of time. I only decided about a year ago. Is

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Speaker 1: actually exactly when I even decided seriously to run for president.

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Speaker 1: I declared for president less than a year ago. And

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Speaker 1: so to go from being there to be in the

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Speaker 1: solid number four candidate in this race, beating out governors

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Speaker 1: and former vice presidents and senators, I think we accomplished

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Speaker 1: a lot. And I think the people of this country

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Speaker 1: that doesn't usually happen. And so I think that was

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Speaker 1: a testament to a distinctive message and a distinctive candidate

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Speaker 1: who was willing to be unshackled as I was in

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Speaker 1: this race. And so did I expect to do better? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I expected to be the next president. That's why I ran.

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Speaker 1: I did not This is not an exercise in futility.

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Speaker 1: I didn't write a thirty million dollar check or close

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Speaker 1: to thirty million of my own because I believe that

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Speaker 1: this was going to be a second place endeavor. But

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Speaker 1: am I proud of what we did. Absolutely. And I

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Speaker 1: think that the people of Iowa if you asked somebody

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Speaker 1: at the start of this race, when I declared what

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Speaker 1: I have even made it through the fall, let alone

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Speaker 1: through where we did in Iowa, they would have said,

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Speaker 1: that's crazy. And you know what, I think that we're

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Speaker 1: just getting warmed up.

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Speaker 4: That's what you said something earlier that I agree with.

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Speaker 2: You said that, you know, you feel like Democrats and

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Speaker 2: Republicans both need to figure out what their party are. Yes,

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Speaker 2: And I agree, And I think that starts with Democrats

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Speaker 2: moving away from President Joe Biden. I think that starts

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Speaker 2: with Republicans moving away from Donald Trump. So it makes

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Speaker 2: me wonder, like, why have you chosen to endorse Donald

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Speaker 2: Trump as a polled to somebody like a Nikki Haley.

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Speaker 1: Yes, So I think this goes to the ideological divide

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Speaker 1: in the GOP. Actually, because I do think that there's

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Speaker 1: a choice on the table. It may be that I

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Speaker 1: come out on a different place. I think I do

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Speaker 1: than you do. Within the Republican Party is one direction

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Speaker 1: of the Republican Party is a belief that it is

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Speaker 1: the job of the US government to play the role

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Speaker 1: of global policemen, to establish a surveillance state here at home,

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Speaker 1: to be able to defend what they will call national security.

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Speaker 1: I'm not criticizing it. I'm just describing with the views

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Speaker 1: and that whatever it takes fighting those foreign wars, having

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Speaker 1: people who have interests in them running the government and

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Speaker 1: people who are adopting a surveillance state here at home,

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Speaker 1: that that's the right vision. We've had that Republican Party before.

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Speaker 1: I didn't vote for it. This is George Bush, Dick

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Speaker 1: Cheney back in two thousand and four. I voted libertarian

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Speaker 1: because I did not want to vote for that agenda

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Speaker 1: in the time of the Iraq War and otherwise. Nikki Haley,

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Speaker 1: I believe is a representation of that George Bush era

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Speaker 1: Republican Party. There are people in the Republican Party that

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Speaker 1: want to see that be the future of the Republican Party,

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Speaker 1: that want to fork over more money to Ukraine, that

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Speaker 1: believe and agree with Nikki Haley that for our national security,

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Speaker 1: we do need to require every citizen to tie their

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Speaker 1: social media account and their Internet profiles to their government

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Speaker 1: issued ID and driver's license. I disagree with these things,

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Speaker 1: but that is a view I think Dick Cheney would

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Speaker 1: agree with that. I think the post nine to eleven

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Speaker 1: Patriot Act proponents would agree with that. I think that

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Speaker 1: the George Bush era, Karl Rove era, Lindsey Graham Republicans

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Speaker 1: would agree with that. And that's one vision for the

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Speaker 1: Republican Party. It's not mine. My vision for the Republican

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Speaker 1: Party is one that you could call a libertarian nationalist vision,

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Speaker 1: which says that two simple ideas. The people we elect

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Speaker 1: to run the government should be the ones who actually

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Speaker 1: run the government, not the bureaucracy. The people we actually

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Speaker 1: elect should be the ones that actually make the laws,

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Speaker 1: not a bunch of bureaucrats. And number two is the

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Speaker 1: moral duty that they owe. The sole moral duty of

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Speaker 1: the US President and every elected official is to the

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Speaker 1: citizens of this country, not another one. That's a very

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Speaker 1: different vision than the Dick Cheney, Karl Rove, Nikki Haley,

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Speaker 1: George Bush, John Bolton view which exists in the Republican Party.

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Speaker 1: That's the choice.

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Speaker 4: That don't look like Trump's Republican Party either.

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Speaker 1: Though. Well, I think I respectfully disagree with you there,

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Speaker 1: because I was to lead that to the next level

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Speaker 1: with clarity.

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Speaker 4: But I think that Donald co owner and you know,

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Speaker 4: they're beholding.

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Speaker 1: So I'll tell you what I favor. I'm not speaking

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Speaker 1: for anybody else but myself here. I'm here as a

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Speaker 1: private citizen today, not even as a political candidate. I'll

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Speaker 1: tell you what I stand for. I don't think that

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Speaker 1: we should have super PACs in American politics. I think

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Speaker 1: the super packs. I don't know if you're familiar with

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Speaker 1: this concept, there are cancer on American politics.

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Speaker 2: It's called eighty eight. Should watch it, okay on Stars

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Speaker 2: and Hulu right now?

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Speaker 1: All right, sounds good? Back to my that'll that'll probably

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Speaker 1: be my inaugural movie. I'ven't watched it on in a

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Speaker 1: long time. I think that the super packs are cancer

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Speaker 1: on American politics. I think lobbying is a cancer on

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Speaker 1: American politics. As I said, I don't think you should

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Speaker 1: be able to leave the government and lobby that same

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Speaker 1: government ever, but at least for ten years after you've left.

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Speaker 1: If you've done special favors for a company. I don't

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Speaker 1: think you should be able to join the board of

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Speaker 1: that company. This is my issue with Nikki Haley. Right

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Speaker 1: she's scratched Boeing's back, gave hundreds of millions of dollars

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Speaker 1: of special benefits in South Carolina. As soon as she leaves,

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Speaker 1: government has a board seat waiting on none other than Boeing,

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Speaker 1: the company that apparently can't even fly planes in the

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Speaker 1: sky anymore. I think that I don't think congressman should

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Speaker 1: be allt to trade individual stocks. I don't think bureaucrats

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Speaker 1: should be allowed to trade individual stocks. Actually, my first

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Speaker 1: job was in New York City at the hedge Fund World.

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Speaker 1: I worked with some pretty smart people here, and I've

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Speaker 1: met most Congressmen. I could tell you they would be

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Speaker 1: better off not trading individual stocks unless they were actually

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Speaker 1: using inside information from Congress and from their bureaucracies to

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Speaker 1: their advantage. I don't think that should be allowed. Now,

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Speaker 1: these aren't Republican ideas or Democrat ideas. I think we

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Speaker 1: need to.

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Speaker 4: Get the influence everything you described both parties, for.

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Speaker 1: Both parties, I mean, if you look at I mean,

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Speaker 1: I hit Nikki Haley on this, but you take Elizabeth Warren,

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Speaker 1: you everybody knows what her salary is, and now her

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Speaker 1: net worth is disclosed to sixty eight million bucks. I

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Speaker 1: know how you makes sixty eight million bucks, and it

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Speaker 1: is not from collecting the salary of being a US senator.

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Speaker 1: And so if you look at the networks, it's actually

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Speaker 1: an interesting exercise. If you look at the net worth

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Speaker 1: of people who have spent their entire career in government,

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Speaker 1: that math does not add up. And so that's one

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Speaker 1: of the core elements of my campaign. I think it

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Speaker 1: drew a lot of people to us, which is the

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Speaker 1: people we elect to run the government. The congressman, the senator,

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Speaker 1: is the president. Say what you will agree or disagree.

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Speaker 1: They should be the ones who actually run the government.

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Speaker 1: It's not too much to ask today. That's not the case.

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Speaker 1: They're all puppets. It's really the permanent state, the bureaucrats

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Speaker 1: that are running the show. And the second thing is

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Speaker 1: the moral obligation they owe as to the citizens of

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Speaker 1: this country, not another one. So yes, I come down

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Speaker 1: on the side of saying that we should be using

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Speaker 1: our taxpayer resources, we should be using our military resources.

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Speaker 1: Radical idea to protect an invasion across our own border

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Speaker 1: sooner than we're using it to protect an invasion across

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Speaker 1: somebody else's border. I don't think that's too much to ask,

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Speaker 1: But the fact that that's controversial, both in the mainstream

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Speaker 1: media and narrative of American politics today and even in

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Speaker 1: the Republican Party says that, yes, the thing we need

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Speaker 1: to decide in the Republican Party is not me or

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Speaker 1: Ronda Santis or Nikki Haley versus Donald Trump. Forget the personalities,

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Speaker 1: Who are we and what do we actually stand for?

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Speaker 1: I think the Republican parties should become the Party of

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Speaker 1: seventeen seventy six, the party that says we stand for

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Speaker 1: the ideals of the American Revolution, self governance, free speech,

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Speaker 1: open debate, that you get to speak your minds openly

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Speaker 1: as long as I get to in return.

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Speaker 2: You know, we weren't included, and none of that though

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Speaker 2: black people, brown people like yourself, yeah, age people like envy.

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Speaker 2: We were never including black men.

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Speaker 1: But let's celebrate the progress we have made towards those ideals.

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Speaker 1: Because here's the thing about the United States of America.

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Speaker 1: We're a nation founded of I don't mean this as

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Speaker 1: a joke. We're not a nation of gods. We're a

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Speaker 1: nation of men. The difference between man and God is

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Speaker 1: that man is imperfect. Yet we're a nation still founded

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Speaker 1: on ideals, but always is That's the problem. That's in

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Speaker 1: the past.

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Speaker 3: Man, that's not in the past.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: The other day, I can't remember to site what he said.

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Speaker 3: I think that we referred to as a seven eleven

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Speaker 3: worker at the White.

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Speaker 4: House Babylon like this is this is this is sad.

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Speaker 3: But that's how they look at us, sad sight, that's

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Speaker 3: how to look at you, and that's how I look

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Speaker 3: at us.

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Speaker 1: Can I what do what do you think it was

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Speaker 1: a joke? I took it as a joke. It actually

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Speaker 1: if you read it into the article, which I did,

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Speaker 1: it was actually it was actually poking fun at a

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Speaker 1: lot of the left doing self awareness here. What do

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Speaker 1: you think Martin Luther King would say? We just had

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Speaker 1: MLK Day, we celebrated. That was the day that I

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Speaker 1: wad call us.

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Speaker 4: What do you think he.

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Speaker 1: Would say about where we are as a country today?

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Speaker 1: He said, I hope my four children grow up in

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Speaker 1: a country where they're judged not on the color of

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Speaker 1: their skin, but on the content of their character. When

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Speaker 1: he said that about sixty years ago, and he woke

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Speaker 1: up to the country. Let's say he just tell a

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Speaker 1: transported to the country we're in right now. Do you

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Speaker 1: think he would say that, oh, my gosh, we have regressed,

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Speaker 1: or that, oh, I'm very upset about where we've landed.

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Speaker 1: Or he sees a country where everybody's able to go

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Speaker 1: to the ballot box and cast their vote, anybody's able

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Speaker 1: to start a business, everybody start from the same place.

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Speaker 4: Now, a lot of voter depression that keeps up black.

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Speaker 1: I'm asking you a question, though, if you just snap

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Speaker 1: of a finger from nineteen sixty three or nineteen sixty four,

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Speaker 1: whenever it was, he would.

655
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Speaker 4: Say it is sixty years he would say that progress.

656
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 1: But still he would say to the and so is

657
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 1: there racism today? Yes, there is, of course there is.

658
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 1: I have a theory on how to deal with it

659
00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 1: at this point, which is different. Tell from nineteen sixty,

660
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 1: which is different from eighteen seventy, but today, because there's

661
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 1: different stages in a nation's life, I think require different response.

662
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 3: How would you deal it? Because obviously it's not a

663
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 3: racist country.

664
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Speaker 1: So I think right now I'm not saying this is

665
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 1: the answer sixty years ago, but right now today, I

666
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 1: think the right answer is actually to let it atrophy

667
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:23,879
Speaker 1: to irrelevance. It's like the equivalence. I'm a biologist by background,

668
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 1: that's my background. If a virus gets so low, right,

669
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 1: racism is the virus. If it gets so low in

670
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 1: the bloodstream at a certain point, the natural host immune

671
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:37,680
Speaker 1: system can just take care of it, and an atrophy

672
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 1: is to irrelevance. But sometimes the way people actually die

673
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 1: COVID is an example of this. The way people die

674
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 1: of a virus isn't actually from the effect of the virus.

675
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 1: It's from an overactive immune system that kills the very

676
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 1: host organ in the name of fighting a virus long

677
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 1: after it's gone. And I think that that's close to

678
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,719
Speaker 1: what we're happening in this country with the fight against racism.

679
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 1: Is we're creating new racism today that I believe would

680
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 1: not exist if we at a certain point would say

681
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 1: we're going to let it go and move on.

682
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 3: Was an example, It was an example.

683
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 1: New anti black racism, a new wave of anti black

684
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 1: racism that I think is beginning in this country because

685
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 1: of people's feeling that they are being denied something on

686
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 1: the basis of their skin color in the name of

687
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 1: these day policies, I think that that's actually existing.

688
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 2: Og anti black racism.

689
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 1: Just I'm not talking about I'm talking about Gen two

690
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 1: is what I'm talking about.

691
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 3: Example, I've run a company, and I've both in my

692
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 3: campaigns and my companies.

693
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 1: And I don't say this like, oh, I hired black

694
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 1: people or black women and put them in roles of positions.

695
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 1: I don't care what skin color they are. But it

696
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 1: so happens that in multiple of my company's enterprises, businesses,

697
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 1: even campaign people in significant positions of authority leadership happened

698
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,479
Speaker 1: to be black and black women included. All right, so

699
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 1: what they're the best people for the job is why

700
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 1: I put them there. One of my companies, I mean

701
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:00,719
Speaker 1: you turns out was of the hight paid, if not

702
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 1: high paid person of the company. Okay, you hear what

703
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 1: the other people will say who weren't as good to

704
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 1: get that job, which is to say, oh, she only

705
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 1: got that job because she's a black woman, which is

706
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 1: unfair to her, It's unfair to the company, it's unfair

707
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 1: to the people who led the company to make meritocratic decisions,

708
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 1: and yet they are able to say that and have

709
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 1: that impression because we do live in a corporate America

710
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 1: where pharmaceutical companies and other companies say that we need

711
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Speaker 1: to have quota systems that twenty five percent of our

712
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 1: workforce and vice president ranks are above need to be

713
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Speaker 1: people of a certain skin color. Imagine if we didn't

714
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 1: say that, but we just did it by merit, we

715
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 1: would probably get to the same place or something darn

716
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 1: close to it anyway, without that second wave of race.

717
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 1: I'm telling you out of my self interest is why

718
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 1: I did it right. I grew up in this country,

719
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 1: came from nothing, built multi billion dollar businesses in part

720
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,959
Speaker 1: by hiring the best person for the job. So it

721
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 1: was self interest that guided me to do it.

722
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, but the reason they have to have those twenty

723
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 2: five percent quota is because of systemic and structural races.

724
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Speaker 1: Let me tell you. One of the most best interactions

725
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Speaker 1: I have in Iowa was with a black pastor not

726
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 1: that many of them in Iowa. I promise you. He

727
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 1: came to one of our events. The first thing he

728
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 1: says is, before I ask my question to do a

729
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 1: push up challenge with you, can you actually handle ten

730
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 1: push ups? So we hit ten push ups on the spot.

731
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 1: Then he asked me the hard question.

732
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Speaker 4: I don't believe you did on the spots.

733
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 1: I did thirty push ups on the spot. Why not

734
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:22,239
Speaker 1: do it? Hit it right now, right now? I did

735
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 1: thirty this morning.

736
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 4: Let me see you're gonna do with me?

737
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 1: Pop them out, Let's do it, Let's do it.

738
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 4: You get the blood man, All right to.

739
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 3: Go v vic All right, let's do it, he says,

740
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 3: some burpy's let's go one.

741
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, push ups man, Oh wow, he's just gonna

742
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 1: push ups final pound him out.

743
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 2: Wow.

744
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm at twenty. It'll be so tired. I mean,

745
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 4: you fought it.

746
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 2: It did.

747
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 3: Oh my good.

748
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 4: What kind of far was it?

749
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 1: That's thirty.

750
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 4: He's beat rays beat ray. Good job, good job, job.

751
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 2: Job good.

752
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 1: Just one of the things I missed from the campaign.

753
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 4: Nice and ask him the hard questions.

754
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 1: That's what he got me out of breath. And then

755
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 1: he asked me the hard question, which is one of

756
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 1: our ten truths in the campaign, was reverse racism is racism?

757
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 1: And the thing he asked me is which the question

758
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 1: you would ask me? What does that mean in the

759
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 1: context of systemic racism and historical inequality in the US? Water. Yeah, healthic, Yeah, exactly.

760
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 2: You shouldn't fall so easily to pay a pressure.

761
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 1: But I ad man, I'm trying to peer pressure you

762
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 1: into the birpe. But he's but he's a usual. It

763
00:32:50,640 --> 00:33:02,959
Speaker 1: was just a healthy but skeptical question. And I'll tell

764
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 1: you what I told him, which is.

765
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 4: You're still trying to catch it.

766
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 1: You definitely got to get a certain point. We gotta

767
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 1: we have to embrace because he's a pastor, right, And

768
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 1: so I was trying to think about how to speak

769
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 1: the language that we both share in common, the virtue

770
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 1: of mercy forgiveness. So this is not to say that

771
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 1: we're going to deny something that's happened in the country,

772
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 1: because I think that is an approach some people try

773
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 1: to take denialism, right, Oh that didn't happen. No, I'm

774
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 1: not taking that approces.

775
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 2: Nicky did last week or two weeks ago or whatever

776
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 2: it was. That's what Tim Scott has done, that's what

777
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 2: the Vice president has done, Joe Biden has done. They

778
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 2: all say, oh, America is not a racist country.

779
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, and order the history, right. But at a certain point,

780
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 1: I think here's the approach to national unity is I

781
00:33:55,600 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 1: believe and I think it's the truth. At a certain point,

782
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 1: the right answer is Clemency is mercy. There's a time

783
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:09,360
Speaker 1: for mercy and there's a time for justice, and sometimes

784
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 1: those are intention with each other. But I think then

785
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 1: now is the time for mercy. I think we have

786
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 1: reached not the ultimate promised land. MLKA say, I may

787
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 1: not get there with you, but we will get there

788
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 1: one day. And I think that at a certain point

789
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 1: when you get there, it's when you're closest to the

790
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 1: promised land that there's a temptation to actually focus on

791
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 1: where you were at the start. But I think that

792
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,360
Speaker 1: we have to resist that temptation and say that, you

793
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 1: know what, at a certain point in time, it's like

794
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 1: when that virus is almost cleared. It's still a little

795
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 1: bit of a left, but it's almost cleared to say

796
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 1: that we're going to let it atrophy to irrelevance. And

797
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:52,880
Speaker 1: I think that's the point we're at right now, or

798
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 1: else I worry we're creating more race consciousness in a

799
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:00,720
Speaker 1: way that creates more division rather than less right now.

800
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:02,880
Speaker 1: And that's my that's one of my core issues with

801
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 1: the with the so called deigen So it's not to

802
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 1: deny anything else. But and it's a hard thing to say,

803
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 1: well I was wrong. Well, how can you just say

804
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 1: clemency and forgiveness now? And now I'm gonna say some

805
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 1: things that might make you up. So then, but then

806
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 1: you could have a bunch of other people that make

807
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 1: a claim on something that they were wrong with Japanese

808
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 1: people were internment camps, or Jewish Americans or anybody else.

809
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 1: We can all play that game.

810
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 2: And the reason you need the that becomes a currency

811
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 2: is because of systemic and structural racism. Can you admit

812
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 2: I just agree that this country there is systemic and

813
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 2: structural racism in this country.

814
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,320
Speaker 1: I have to know what those terms mean, Charlemagne to

815
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 1: be able to answer systemic racisms.

816
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 2: Use I said racism, you said systemic in structural racism,

817
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:43,360
Speaker 2: you said you said structure.

818
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 1: In stating the argument for the other side of what

819
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 1: what's used, I don't think systemic racism. It's it's a

820
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 1: little bit of a cop out, right. I know what

821
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 1: racism is.

822
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 2: We know that any healthcare system, we know that inequalities

823
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 2: and the justice system.

824
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 4: We know these things are right.

825
00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 1: So has there historically been in this country? Right? And

826
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 1: I think that what we want to do is amentivil

827
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 1: rights movement right? And actually a lot of what I'm

828
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 1: standing for, for example, is I think that there are

829
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 1: civil rights inequalities right now when it comes to your

830
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 1: political beliefs. I think that that's actually something that exists

831
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 1: right now. So the same FBI that was going after

832
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 1: Martin Luther King sixty years ago on the basis of

833
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 1: incorrectly collected tapes, it's a mystery to me that much

834
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 1: of the left that should remember this from sixty years ago,

835
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 1: somehow believes that that same FBI is a saintly organization.

836
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 2: That is somehow we've never thought that. We've been telling

837
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:33,280
Speaker 2: you all the FBI is corrupt.

838
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, good, So why does everybody what does everybody somehow

839
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 1: now believe that just because it's Christopher Ray or James

840
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 1: Callmey who's leading again says, so everybody believes that if

841
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 1: you praying and bring that same point up suddenly that

842
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:45,720
Speaker 1: that's a conspiracy.

843
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 2: Is an investigation, and if there's evidence in that investigation,

844
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 2: you make in arrest, and then that's why we have

845
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 2: a judicial system is due process. So what we're seeing

846
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 2: now is somebody going through due process.

847
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 1: So I think that I think that I'm in a

848
00:36:57,880 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 1: different place than you, which is I think the FBI

849
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 1: was corrupt then and I think the FBI is corrupt today.

850
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 4: I'm not disagreeing.

851
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 1: And so the idea that.

852
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 4: They don't I don't mean that they don't even vabtigate people.

853
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 4: And if you have committed a crime, that.

854
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 1: Right, I think. But I think we can't talk out

855
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 1: about sides of our mouth, right for a lot of

856
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 1: these institutions that have been corrupt in the same way

857
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 1: in our past, have they gone There have been two

858
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 1: standards of justice based on your skin color? Absolutely there

859
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 1: have been. If you look at other points today, are

860
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:24,400
Speaker 1: there two standards of justice today based on your political beliefs?

861
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 1: I think the answer to that questioning.

862
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 4: Biologic the FBI.

863
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 2: That means everybody they've ever arrested it was it wasn't

864
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Speaker 2: they should.

865
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Speaker 1: I'm saying that, but I'm saying that there's there is

866
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 1: a by anybody's logic. But you could say that sixty

867
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 1: years ago the same thing that wasn't true then that

868
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 1: isn't true today. But is there a fundamentally corrupting influence

869
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 1: and bias today that is based on your political belief

870
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 1: I think the answer is yes, and I think that's

871
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 1: as wrong today as it was sixty or eighty years

872
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:50,840
Speaker 1: ago for it to be based on your skin color.

873
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 1: And what I've seen on the modern left is now

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Speaker 1: questioning that fundamental corruption in the FBI. And I favor

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Speaker 1: shutting down the FBI. And that's a different place than

876
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 1: pretty much every other Republican who says maybe fire Christopher

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Speaker 1: am the only Republican in this field who thinks that's

878
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,279
Speaker 1: a good idea. I think shutting down the FBI is

879
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 1: a good idea because the only way you're going to

880
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 1: reform a corrupt bureaucracy isn't just by reforming it, it's

881
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 1: actually by shutting it down. And so you know, we

882
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Speaker 1: got thirty five thousand employees at the FBI. Twenty thousand

883
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Speaker 1: of them are back office bureaucrats. Okay, fifteen thousand of

884
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 1: them are cops on the front lines. I'd say send

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00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,359
Speaker 1: the back office bureaucrats home. The twenty thousand, we could

886
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:32,880
Speaker 1: send them home. Fifteen thousand on the front lines. We

887
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Speaker 1: will move them. We'll move them to the US Marshals,

888
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Speaker 1: We'll move them to the DEA, both of which, by

889
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Speaker 1: the way, have been far more effective at fighting child

890
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Speaker 1: sex trafficking rings, far more effective at fighting the fentanyl epidemic,

891
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:46,840
Speaker 1: far more effective. You can move them to the financial

892
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 1: Crimes Enforcement network, go for the financial fraudsters, the sbfs

893
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 1: and the ftx's of the world, more specialization than they

894
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:55,840
Speaker 1: have at the FBI. So that's the fifteen thousand cops,

895
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 1: but the twenty thousand back office bureaucrats send them packing.

896
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,800
Speaker 1: That's how how you actually tackle corruption in the United

897
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Speaker 1: States and in the administrative state, in the bureaucracy. I

898
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 1: think we should be able to unite around that the

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Speaker 1: same FBI. You know what the name of the building is.

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Speaker 1: You know what the headquarters name is of the fdat

901
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 1: Jaeger Hoover Building. So the same guy who committed, I

902
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:19,280
Speaker 1: would say, in many cases racially charged investigations and breaches

903
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 1: of power sixty years ago is still the legacy that

904
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Speaker 1: the current FBI is celebrating today. And yet when I

905
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Speaker 1: say things like this, people will put that now in

906
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Speaker 1: the category of right wing conspiracy theories celebrate In fact, yes,

907
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:33,840
Speaker 1: of course, they celebrate the founding fathers.

908
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Speaker 4: The founding fathers were rapists and.

909
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Speaker 1: Murderers, Charlemage. So I think we're going to have a

910
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 1: deep disagreement on this one. These are people who set

911
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:43,800
Speaker 1: Without the ideals that they set into motion, we wouldn't

912
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Speaker 1: be where we are today. Tell me about John Adams,

913
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 1: how much, how familiary with his story. He was an

914
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Speaker 1: abolitionist in his own time. He was the second president

915
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Speaker 1: of the United States. He did not own slaves on principle.

916
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Speaker 1: Not only that, he actually fought for the liberation of

917
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Speaker 1: slaves as the second president. Jefferson, I mean, look, a

918
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Speaker 1: lot of these, a lot of these guys and majamas.

919
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Speaker 1: Jefferson one of my favorite presidents'.

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Speaker 4: Favorite one person to make a point, but no.

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Speaker 1: No, But I'm making the point that the people today

922
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Speaker 1: who are going to go decry or founding fathers for

923
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,799
Speaker 1: being slaveholders would have been back then the people who

924
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Speaker 1: were slave holders. What you do, right That's what I'm saying,

925
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 1: because they're just following you at.

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Speaker 2: What you're doing right now, with what you're accusing everybody

927
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Speaker 2: else are doing. Because you support Donald Trump. You think

928
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Speaker 2: that the FBI is targeting Donald Trump, and you think

929
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:25,799
Speaker 2: Donald Trump has been unfairly prosecuted.

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Speaker 1: I think not only Donald Trump, but it's because you

931
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Speaker 1: support dontru I think, no It's not because I support

932
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 1: Donald Trump. It's because I believe the FBI has been

933
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,800
Speaker 1: a corrupt institution for the last seventy years. I was

934
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Speaker 1: against the Iraq War back when this wasn't a Republican position.

935
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Speaker 1: So the mystery to me is actually a lot of

936
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Speaker 1: the modern left. I was libertarian. I told you I

937
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:42,880
Speaker 1: voted libertarian in my first election in two thousand and four,

938
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Speaker 1: when I'm nineteen years old. The mystery to me, though,

939
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 1: is that the same left that was correctly I think

940
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Speaker 1: correctly skeptical of the federal police state, the national security establishment,

941
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Speaker 1: that believed that they're infringing on our civil rights and

942
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Speaker 1: liberties with the Patriot Act after nine to eleven in

943
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Speaker 1: the nineteen sixties, with the incorrect collection of tapes to

944
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Speaker 1: go after civil rights activists, that that left somehow has

945
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 1: abandoned its long standing skepticism of the Trump it is,

946
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 1: which is to say that anybody who then questions that

947
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 1: same FBI or apparatus has dismissed as some conspiracy theorist,

948
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Speaker 1: when in fact I think that we should from the

949
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:22,800
Speaker 1: left and the right finally, and the right used to

950
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 1: be the ones that defended the federal police state if

951
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 1: you question it, shut up, sit down, and do as

952
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 1: you're told. That was the George Bush Dick Chene era,

953
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 1: which is my problem with Nikki Alia as a representation

954
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,840
Speaker 1: of that. But today it's shut up, sit down, and

955
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 1: do as you're told. If somebody questions that same federal

956
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 1: administrative police state, and so Isaiah's dismantle that bureaucracy. And

957
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 1: that's how you actually revive integrity. And that should not

958
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 1: be a left wing or a right wing point. But

959
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:47,280
Speaker 1: for my part, and I don't know where you were

960
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 1: where your views were back then, I was against the

961
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 1: Iraq War, I was against the Patriot Act then, I'm

962
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 1: against it now. I would repeal every remaining vestige of

963
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 1: the Patriot Act. Today. A lot of those vestiges are,

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Speaker 1: indeed what are being used by Joe Biden found up

965
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 1: the people who would otherwise be labeled as insurrectionists or

966
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:07,400
Speaker 1: white supremacists or otherwise that are threats today, many of

967
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:10,320
Speaker 1: whom I think are being wrongfully arrested in the same

968
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:13,320
Speaker 1: way that civil rights activists were wrongfully arrested and spied

969
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 1: on by the I think Trump. I think these politicized

970
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:20,840
Speaker 1: accusations against Trump would not exist were he not running

971
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 1: for president. So yes, I believe they're absolutely politicized. It's

972
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 1: going to be such a tired discussion because everybody's beaten

973
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 1: this dead horse to death. But if you take something

974
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 1: like the Gretchen Whitmer kidnapping plot, right, that hasn't been

975
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 1: beaten to death. Remember this story, Yeah, so it actually

976
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 1: began as a storm on the Capitol in Michigan, a

977
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:42,240
Speaker 1: plot to storm Capitall in Michigan ended up being headed

978
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Speaker 1: in the direction of a kidnapping plot for Gretchen Whimmer.

979
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 1: Multiple of the defendants are acquitted. First, there's a hung jury.

980
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 1: They retry them. After retrying them, multiple of the defendants

981
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 1: are acquitted at trial. Why on grounds of entrapment. Literally

982
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 1: a third of the people involved in this, if not more,

983
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 1: were FBI agents. Gave them five thousand dollars credit cards.

984
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 1: These are poor people. One of these guys is going

985
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 1: to a Mexican restaurant across the street to go get

986
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 1: hot water. These are poor people in a tough spot.

987
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 1: They happen to be white. Sixty years ago could say

988
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 1: it's black skin color. Take it out of the equation.

989
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 1: Five thousand dollars credit cards to go by munitions, et cetera.

990
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 1: Multiple people acquitted, and the juror at the trial after

991
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 1: the acquittal comes over to the defendant, gives one of

992
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 1: them a hug and just apologizes for what they had

993
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 1: seen and been put through. And so, where is the

994
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 1: I don't say right, right wing, left wing, where is

995
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 1: the accountability for a federal administrative police state that has

996
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 1: put people up to do something that they otherwise wouldn't

997
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 1: have done. They're under poor circumstances, exploited, they're angry, paid

998
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 1: for by the government, tried to put them in jail

999
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 1: for it. Except for thank god, we have a jury

1000
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 1: system that is the final, last bastion of defense acquitted

1001
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 1: those men who were put up to do something the

1002
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 1: otherwise never would have done. I think it was wrong.

1003
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 1: What's happened in the nineteen sixties. I think it's long

1004
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 1: if it's happening today. And so again, that's why a

1005
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:05,399
Speaker 1: lot of the principles I'm standing for, I don't think

1006
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 1: they should be viewed as Republican versus Democrat principles.

1007
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 2: I agree.

1008
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:10,839
Speaker 1: Do you think there are opponents to what I'm saying

1009
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 1: in the Republican Party?

1010
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 4: Do you think some people are should be above the law.

1011
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 1: No, okay, We're a nation of laws, not of men.

1012
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 1: That's one of our founding principles, which I give credit

1013
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:22,839
Speaker 1: to our founding fathers for setting in motion. By the way,

1014
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:23,400
Speaker 1: So what's.

1015
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 2: The problem with Trump having ninety one criminal charge? If

1016
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 2: he's innocent, then it'll be proven in a court of law.

1017
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:29,879
Speaker 1: I think it will. They've proven in a court of law.

1018
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 1: But I think it's wrong for the country in terms

1019
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 1: of what we're going through in the meantime, and.

1020
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 4: You just tainting the course of the show him in

1021
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 4: the capitol.

1022
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 2: What about the attempted coup that happened on January sixth?

1023
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:41,800
Speaker 1: Do we want to go down this rabbit hole? Because

1024
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 1: I think that I'm at a again. I was a

1025
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 1: private citizen three years ago when it happened. I was

1026
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 1: biotech CEO, consuming just I like to think of myself

1027
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 1: as independent, but consuming what a lot of the news

1028
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 1: media feeds me. As a presidential candidate, you have a

1029
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 1: responsibility the country to dive deep into the facts, and

1030
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 1: a lot of new facts have actually come out since

1031
00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:01,840
Speaker 1: then three years ago. If you had told me that

1032
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 1: January sixth was some type of government entrapment, I would

1033
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:09,720
Speaker 1: say that was crazy talk. I don't believe it's crazy

1034
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:10,240
Speaker 1: talk today.

1035
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:11,839
Speaker 4: Government and trap mean, what do you mean?

1036
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:14,400
Speaker 1: Well, I mean that again the same people. What I

1037
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:15,720
Speaker 1: just told you happened in Michigan.

1038
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 2: Right.

1039
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 1: So here we go. All the way through trial. Multiple

1040
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:22,799
Speaker 1: of the people were acquitted because it was found that

1041
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:24,760
Speaker 1: the FBI put them up to do something that Dells

1042
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 1: wouldn't do. The head of the Detroit Field Office there

1043
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 1: was a man by the name of Stephen d'antono.

1044
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:31,840
Speaker 2: Well, people weren't quitted it on January six, people would.

1045
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:34,319
Speaker 1: Depend I'm lets let me just draw the line said

1046
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 1: you want to go down the rabbit hole. You know

1047
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 1: it's going to take about five minutes to do it

1048
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:40,360
Speaker 1: at least, but we'll go down the rabbit hole if

1049
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 1: you want to, if you want to open that door.

1050
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 1: The head of the Detroit Field Office of the FBI

1051
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,439
Speaker 1: is a gentleman to man named Stephen d'antono. In late

1052
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 1: twenty twenty, Christopher Ray, the head of the FBI, moves

1053
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:52,799
Speaker 1: him to be the DC Field office head. So let's

1054
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 1: get this straight. The Detroit Field Office has created a

1055
00:45:56,239 --> 00:46:00,320
Speaker 1: fake plot to storm the Michigan Capital. Multiple people get fraimed,

1056
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:02,799
Speaker 1: through that, several get acquitted on grounds of entrapman. The

1057
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 1: person who is heading the Detroit field officer of the

1058
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:07,959
Speaker 1: FBI that masterminds that now moved to DC several months

1059
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 1: before what happened on January sixth. We all saw what

1060
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:12,400
Speaker 1: happened on January sixth. What turns out was that the

1061
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 1: video footage we saw shortly after did not include, as

1062
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 1: video footage has now come out in the last year,

1063
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 1: did not include shooting rubber bulletin tear gas into a

1064
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 1: peaceful audience. And then you actually see the response to

1065
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 1: that and didn't include Capitol police officers welcoming people into

1066
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:31,879
Speaker 1: the capitol, and one of the people on jan six

1067
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Speaker 1: it turns out, Charlemagne was acquitted because he came in

1068
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 1: with the Capitol police officer waiving him to come in.

1069
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 4: What they got to do Trump's speech.

1070
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 1: But I'm not saying I'm not talking about Trump at all.

1071
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:43,279
Speaker 1: I'm talking You asked about the two, but you asking

1072
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 1: about the people who were on the grounds on January sixth.

1073
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Speaker 4: The grounds because Trump called for them to be on

1074
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 4: the grounds.

1075
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Speaker 1: Which is their right to do as long as they're

1076
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Speaker 1: doing it peacefully and protesting. Because the tradition in this country.

1077
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Speaker 1: The civil rights movement wouldn't happen after Martine.

1078
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Speaker 2: Washington, right, we saw him stole them the Capitol. We

1079
00:46:57,480 --> 00:46:59,359
Speaker 2: saw the video. It's right there for you to see.

1080
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Speaker 1: We saw of the video. And anybody who was violent,

1081
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 1: it's a different category. But if you were a peaceful

1082
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 1: protester on January sixth and you ended up in the

1083
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Speaker 1: Capitol because a Capitol police officer let you in and

1084
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 1: you took some selfies and walked around and then left,

1085
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Speaker 1: I don't think you should be sitting in prison. And

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Speaker 1: I think that that is an application of a different

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Speaker 1: standard of the rule of law, which is why I've

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Speaker 1: said any peaceful January sixth protester would have gotten a

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Speaker 1: pardon on my first day in office. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if Trump brothers have made that commitment. I can't speak,

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Speaker 1: but you do.

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Speaker 2: Believe that some people were there to attempt to cool

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Speaker 2: with his country.

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Speaker 1: If you were violent that day, you need to be helped.

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Speaker 1: You need to be held accountable for that violence. Now

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Speaker 1: was there I think a lot of unanswered questions that

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Speaker 1: need to be answered, and I think it's up to

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Speaker 1: good journalists to step up.

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Speaker 2: And understand though did Donald Trump inside?

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Speaker 1: I don't think Donald Trump insided a violent cool if

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Speaker 1: you just look at the words of what he said.

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Speaker 1: He specifically said peacefully.

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Speaker 4: Did you got a fight like hell? He said, you

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00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 4: got to fight like hell, and.

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Speaker 1: He was using the word peacefully. But there's at his speech.

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Speaker 1: This is about. This is about a deeper sure of

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Speaker 1: people who are in prison today. And I think that

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Speaker 1: if you're in prison for peacefully expressing your views on Washington, DC,

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Speaker 1: no matter what your views are, I don't care if

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Speaker 1: you're a black civil rights activist in the sixties, I

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Speaker 1: don't care if you're a white January sixth peaceful protester.

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Speaker 1: You should be held to the same standard of the

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Speaker 1: rule of law, which is that peaceful protest, peaceful and

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Speaker 1: the expression of your viewpoint should never be criminalized in

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Speaker 1: this country.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but you're talking about two totally different things. That

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00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 2: you're talking about peopleho're not talking about right, and you

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00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 2: know you're talk about people who are trying to overturn redolis.

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Speaker 1: I'm saying, regardless of what your views are, regardless of

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Speaker 1: what your views are, you should be able to peacefully

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Speaker 1: express yourself. And once you lose that, we don't have

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Speaker 1: a country left.

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Speaker 4: I argue with those people want a lot of people

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Speaker 4: on January sixth, more.

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Speaker 2: And peaceful at all.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm drawing a distinction.

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Speaker 4: Some of them were literally saying they were looking for

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Speaker 4: a vice president.

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Speaker 2: To hang them.

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Speaker 1: I'm drawing a distinction for countless peaceful protesters who are

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Speaker 1: in prison today for trespassing unlawfully entering the Capitol when

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Speaker 1: you have Capitol police officers opening the door to them. Atum,

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Speaker 1: we should all be able to agree that those people

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Speaker 1: should not be riding in a prison cell. Not only

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Speaker 1: is that a violation of the standard of the rule

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Speaker 1: of law. Let's talk about just the project of uniting

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Speaker 1: this country, and right now we have a major divide

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Speaker 1: in this country. And at a certain point, we're going

1139
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Speaker 1: to have to look three hundred and sixty degrees across

1140
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:17,359
Speaker 1: the board and say, all right, we're all laying down arms.

1141
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Speaker 1: We're going to agree to be one nation. We're going

1142
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Speaker 1: to agree to disagree on the issues where we disagree

1143
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Speaker 1: most profoundly, to say that we are still going to

1144
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Speaker 1: be bound by a common set of principles. As Americans

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Speaker 1: take abortion right, this is one where they say there's

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Speaker 1: going to divide the country to a breaking point. I've

1147
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Speaker 1: stood for policy, and that's the mystery. Man. I'm the

1148
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 1: only Republican who has advocated for this. I think it's

1149
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 1: a winner politically, but I think it's also the right

1150
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 1: thing to do. They say, Okay, you can't find common

1151
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Speaker 1: ground and abortion, how about this one. Tell me. We

1152
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:45,839
Speaker 1: got three guys here at the table. Let's talk from

1153
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Speaker 1: man to man on this. I think that if a

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Speaker 1: woman brings a child to to this is.

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Speaker 2: What you fucking up at. You find up because there's

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Speaker 2: three men and you're saying you're having a conversation in

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Speaker 2: all women, you should bring to women to the table.

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Speaker 2: This is why you're talking about found some bullshit.

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Speaker 1: Well to make most women no, no, most women here

1160
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Speaker 1: like what I'm about to say, most men don't have them.

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Speaker 1: We have actually and and and we've had a conversation.

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Speaker 1: I think I think you're I think you makee worried

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Speaker 1: about what I'm about to say, which is that I

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Speaker 1: think if a woman brings a child to term, she

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Speaker 1: should be able to make the man financially responsible for

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Speaker 1: both her and the child if she does it, period,

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Speaker 1: and that should be the law of the land. That

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Speaker 1: happens though, no, it doesn't. It doesn't happen today, not

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Speaker 1: not not to the scale I'm talking about full financial

1170
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Speaker 1: it's you do fifty to fifty, you got forty percent.

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Speaker 1: For the man, I'm talking about one hundred percent of

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Speaker 1: its two x over. He's fully responsible for the woman

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Speaker 1: and fully responsible for the child ability because she has responsibility.

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Speaker 1: She took nine months to actually bring the child to

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Speaker 1: term if it's confirmed with the genetic paternity test.

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Speaker 3: So right now today, four years ago, he has full

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Speaker 3: responsibility for the child's eighteen.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, and full responsibility for the woman during that time.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that's I don't think it's bad either,

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Speaker 1: because I think that part of the criticism of Republicans is, oh,

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Speaker 1: you're just throwing women under the bus. I say, let's

1182
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Speaker 1: actually that's a fair criticism. Let's actually take that seriously

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00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:04,840
Speaker 1: and say, we're all in this together. If you believe

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Speaker 1: that under life, agree with that. I think most women

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Speaker 1: absolutely for the child and for me, most women would

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Speaker 1: agree with that, right, And that's not and that's not

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Speaker 1: the state of look for that. But but then men

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00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:16,360
Speaker 1: should think about that in the front end. That's the

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Speaker 1: whole point. Because women can't afford that either that's the

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Speaker 1: whole this this gets to the heart of the abortion point.

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Speaker 1: It gets to the heart of the abortion.

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Speaker 2: But what you say it is you think about that

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Speaker 2: on the frontd exactly which got the whole point.

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Speaker 4: Remember young Doug was like, Yo, if you broke, shouldn't

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Speaker 4: be having baby?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. Things happen and don't.

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Speaker 3: But if you think it's going to work out, and

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Speaker 3: it obviously does it now a man, if it's confirmed

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Speaker 3: by the thousand dollars a year, you want him to

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Speaker 3: to to pay for the woman and the child.

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Speaker 1: That's not the wildest thing because she's actually got nine

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Speaker 1: months of carrying the child. So this is when I'm

1203
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Speaker 1: talking back about the project of uniting the country. I

1204
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:50,840
Speaker 1: don't know if that's a Republican idea, democratic idea, or whatever,

1205
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:53,320
Speaker 1: but right now one of the criticisms is one of

1206
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 1: the things I believe as a leader. You talked about

1207
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 1: being a leader. What does what does the leader do?

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00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:58,319
Speaker 1: One of the things the leader does is listen to

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00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:01,720
Speaker 1: the best arguments for the other side, understand them deeply,

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00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 1: and then give the best possible response to that you can.

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Speaker 1: I had eleventh grade teacher you taught me. If you

1212
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Speaker 1: can't state the best argument for the other side, you

1213
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Speaker 1: don't know what you actually believe yourself. And I think

1214
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Speaker 1: that that's true. And here on this question, the best

1215
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 1: argument for the other side is how are you only

1216
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Speaker 1: putting this responsibility on women, to say, okay, you stand

1217
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 1: for life and all of that, but how come that

1218
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:22,880
Speaker 1: only falls on the woman. My answer is it shouldn't.

1219
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:25,879
Speaker 1: So nature has made a decision. And some people will

1220
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Speaker 1: be offended as saying this the women only women as

1221
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 1: only women have children. Okay, that's I believe that's a

1222
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:34,759
Speaker 1: biological fact. Some people might disagree with that. But if

1223
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Speaker 1: you have two X chromosomes, you have children. But we're

1224
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Speaker 1: going to do everything we can to even that responsibility

1225
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Speaker 1: out by saying that if the man is making a

1226
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Speaker 1: sexual decision, it's not just the woman that's responsible for that.

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Speaker 1: The man actually pays for the woman and the child

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Speaker 1: for the next eighteen years.

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Speaker 4: I'm not mad at that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So so I'm giving you an example though, the

1231
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Speaker 1: same thing we're bringing up with the FBI recognized. Now

1232
00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 1: don't say the FBI wasn't racist or whatever. Sixty years ago,

1233
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:02,400
Speaker 1: it was acknowledge that same institution that we're celebrating with

1234
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 1: the Jadgar Hoover Building. How do we suddenly believe that

1235
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 1: somehow it's immune from corruption today? And so I think

1236
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 1: part of what's happened in this country is are partisan

1237
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 1: goggles have gotten so far in the way of us

1238
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 1: actually just having actually a conversation amongst citizens without the

1239
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Speaker 1: black label or the white label, or the red label

1240
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:25,759
Speaker 1: or the blue label, and just say, actually, let's have

1241
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:29,440
Speaker 1: a conversation among citizens where there's almost a certain guilt,

1242
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:31,719
Speaker 1: right Like, if you're among your liberal friends in New

1243
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 1: York City and you're saying something that Donald Trump said,

1244
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:36,640
Speaker 1: but you're also saying the same thing about the border

1245
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:38,840
Speaker 1: or whatever, you have to be guilty and flogged yourself

1246
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 1: for saying it. Just forget about the guilt and just

1247
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:45,360
Speaker 1: locate what are our actual principles. And I think I

1248
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 1: come back to two basic ones that unite us as Americans.

1249
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:50,279
Speaker 1: The people we elect to run the government should run

1250
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:53,719
Speaker 1: the government, not the bureaucracy. Those elected leaders owe a

1251
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:56,080
Speaker 1: moral duty to the citizens of this country, not the

1252
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:58,919
Speaker 1: citizens of Ukraine or another one. And oh, by the way,

1253
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 1: we all get to expels press and speak our minds

1254
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 1: freely and in the open whether or not we disagree.

1255
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Speaker 1: You get to speak your mind, and you do and

1256
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Speaker 1: I do too, as long as each of us gets

1257
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 1: the same right in return. I think those are basic

1258
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:13,959
Speaker 1: rules of the road that most of us, ninety percent

1259
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Speaker 1: of us in this country agree on.

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Speaker 4: And you know Trump doesn't agree with that though.

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Speaker 2: Trump I was speaking Trump Wardy said he wants to

1262
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 2: shut the media down for speaking about him if he

1263
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Speaker 2: becomes president of again.

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Speaker 1: I think that. Here's here's what I've noticed happening in

1265
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:26,719
Speaker 1: the country. I've had a front row seat to the media,

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Speaker 1: okay for the last year. Believe me, they've twelve of

1267
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:32,319
Speaker 1: them follow me around everywhere I've gone for a long time.

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00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:34,480
Speaker 1: We do interviews at the end of every day, and

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Speaker 1: I've granted more, you know, media access or press access

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Speaker 1: than anybody else for full transparency. Actually, you know, we've

1271
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 1: become friends with some of them, young people actually, not

1272
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Speaker 1: the people who are their bosses up the chain. I

1273
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:47,480
Speaker 1: think a lot of them have lost their way. But

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00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:49,920
Speaker 1: the young people twenty two years old, who have you know,

1275
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Speaker 1: earnestly got a job, think they're actually doing a good job.

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Speaker 1: Several of them. Actually we became I became personally quite

1277
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Speaker 1: friendly with and I expect to remain friends with over

1278
00:54:58,080 --> 00:54:59,799
Speaker 1: the course of life. And the best ones I think aren'

1279
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Speaker 1: I hadn't end up even standing.

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Speaker 4: Trump wants to show I'm.

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Speaker 1: Gonna I'm gonna tell you, I'm gonna tell you something else.

1282
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 1: Is what I've seen happen is because I get questions

1283
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 1: on this regularly. Trump will say something. There will be

1284
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:13,400
Speaker 1: one word they pick out. Vermin was one. They followed

1285
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 1: me around about that for a week. What do you

1286
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 1: think about the Donald Trump called his opponents vermin? And

1287
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:19,920
Speaker 1: it's a whole game that the media plays where they

1288
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:22,719
Speaker 1: will pick Hitler, they will they will they will pick

1289
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:25,440
Speaker 1: they will pick one word he says, and then actually

1290
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:28,439
Speaker 1: have you respond to it as opposed to taking action.

1291
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 1: But the obsession over picking some word that Donald Trump

1292
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 1: said and making that the news story versus actually asking

1293
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 1: about the substance. I mean, Charle Man, I think I've

1294
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 1: saw some of some of your own commentary recently where

1295
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Speaker 1: you agree with me on the border being a crisis

1296
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Speaker 1: and it's ridiculous what's happening on this other.

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Speaker 2: What did he say?

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Speaker 1: What did he say? The quote Hitler, let's actually just

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Speaker 1: just go go to the specific let's let's let's just

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Speaker 1: let's just go to the specifics and do this because

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Speaker 1: this is exactly is exactly what happened. Pull it up

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Speaker 1: word for word, Read me the whole paragraph, what comes

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Speaker 1: before there after. I don't even know what you're referring to,

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Speaker 1: but I enough of how the game is played that

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Speaker 1: I just want to play this out.

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Speaker 4: And he also said that he didn't know Hitler had

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Speaker 4: used the term.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well, and that was the poisoning the blood term

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Speaker 2: that's straight out of the manifesto.

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Speaker 1: Just because somebody says a word that also appears to

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Speaker 1: the translation of the manifesto with some totally weird game

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Speaker 1: of gotcha. Just just re read to me the full paragraph.

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Speaker 4: Say immigrants poison the blood of.

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Speaker 1: There give me, give me Donald Trump's quote, We're not

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Speaker 1: going to do the game of the secondhand. You know,

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Speaker 1: NBC News distillation of it. Just get to the primary source,

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Speaker 1: because I know Donald Trump and he's not somebody who

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Speaker 1: goes around quoting Adolf Hitler. It's just not a thing

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Speaker 1: that happens. I don't have this country is taught to

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Speaker 1: believe by the media that that's what he does.

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Speaker 2: But that's the Trump I think the real number is

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Speaker 2: fifteen to sixteen million people into our country. When they

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Speaker 2: do that, we got a lot of work to do.

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Speaker 2: They're poisoning the blood of our country, Trump told the

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Speaker 2: crowded the rally in New Hampshire.

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Speaker 4: That's what they've done.

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Speaker 2: They poisoned mental mental institutions and prisons all over the world,

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Speaker 2: not just in South America, not just the three or

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Speaker 2: four countries that we think about, but all over the world.

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Speaker 2: They're coming into our country from after, from Asia, all

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Speaker 2: over the world. And he kept repeating the phrase poisoning

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Speaker 2: the blood of our country.

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Speaker 1: Here, just doing one fair because we got it. I

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Speaker 1: think this is so valuable. Just read exactly read the.

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Speaker 4: Whole Immigration is poisoning the blood of our nation.

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Speaker 1: Okay, and read the rest of it as you did.

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Speaker 1: Just just just go the whole paragraph, because I think,

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Speaker 1: just do one more time, just everybody. Can everybody hear

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Speaker 1: what he actually said versus the news.

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Speaker 4: Term blood poisoning was used by him.

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Speaker 1: What Donald Trump said, now size.

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Speaker 4: Immigration in the mixing of all races. Trump is doing exactly.

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Speaker 1: Said, they're poisoning the mental health institutions, They're poisoning the

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Speaker 1: prison of our country. That was one line from a

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Speaker 1: broader Hitler. And I'll tell you this man. I went

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Speaker 1: to the South side of Chicago in this campaign against

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Speaker 1: the advice of my campaign advisors, because they said, why

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Speaker 1: are you going there in the middle of a primary.

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Speaker 1: I'm running to unite the country. You know what they're

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Speaker 1: doing in Chicago right now, or at least at the

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Speaker 1: time I went there, they were converting South Shore High School,

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Speaker 1: a poor high school in the south side of Chicago,

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Speaker 1: into an encampment for migrants who were in this country illegally,

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Speaker 1: at a cost of seven thousand dollars per migrant per month.

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Speaker 1: There were things said in the room that I was

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Speaker 1: in that were far more incendiary than what you just

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Speaker 1: read right there. And I don't hold it against the

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Speaker 1: people who are in that room with me, because America

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Speaker 1: first includes all Americans. And I think it is dead

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Speaker 1: wrong that we are rewarding mass numbers of people who

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Speaker 1: have entered this country illegally, breaking the law as they

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Speaker 1: do it, coming in by the millions, and rewarding them

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Speaker 1: more than we are our own fellow citizens right here

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Speaker 1: at home. Why So, that's a major problem affecting people

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Speaker 1: black and white Democrat, Republican, poor and middle class across

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Speaker 1: this country. And yet we're sitting here obsessing over one

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Speaker 1: word in a long paragraph that said poison the blood

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Speaker 1: when it included a reference to mental health institutions in

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Speaker 1: jails and other public resources in the United States. That

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Speaker 1: is everything that's wrong with our media right now. People,

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Speaker 1: You guys who are actually going to help lead the

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Speaker 1: media out of this because you are actually not beholden

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Speaker 1: by the same partisans talking about the actual substance.

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Speaker 2: But when what we need to address, it's hard to

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Speaker 2: when you've got a guy who said he wants to

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Speaker 2: be a dictator for a day you got. It's hard

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Speaker 2: with just a guy who says it's a guy who

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Speaker 2: says you got to terminate terminate the constitution in order

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Speaker 2: to overturn the results of an election.

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Speaker 4: It's hard when it's a guy who's.

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Speaker 1: The country for the derangement syndrome. And focus on the

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Speaker 1: actual problems we have to solve as a country, and

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Speaker 1: you look at actually the border, the economy, you want

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Speaker 1: to look at staying out of foreign wars. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: will take a president who has sharp elbows, who is

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Speaker 1: actually able to accomplish those things.

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Speaker 4: Words don't matter over somebody.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying words don't matter, words matter, but words

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Speaker 1: taken out of context in a way. Am I going

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Speaker 1: to say everything the same way that Donald Trump did?

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Speaker 1: I don't know why I'm sitting here being questioned again

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Speaker 1: with the entire media loves to do on picking some

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Speaker 1: word Trump said, and we're sitting here talking about that

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Speaker 1: rather than a vision for the country, talk about the

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Speaker 1: actual country, talking about the actual issues were dressing as

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Speaker 1: a country, and yes, exactly, we'll talk about the actual country.

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Speaker 2: Just the point of the GOP attaching themselves to Trump

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Speaker 2: the way they have when he hasn't won anything since

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Speaker 2: twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 1: The GOP attaching themselves to Trump is I think a

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Speaker 1: bizarre framing where the GOP is electing a leader to

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Speaker 1: lead our America first movement to the next level, and

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Speaker 1: they're saying in drove that Donald Trump should be that leader. Now,

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Speaker 1: how do we actually use that to accomplish something for

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01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:17,440
Speaker 1: our country? Our country? I think made a poor decision

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Speaker 1: in putting Joe Biden in office. I think the results

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Speaker 1: speak for themselves. I think a lot of the economic

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Speaker 1: numbers are a fallacy. Prices are higher, wages, haven't gone

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Speaker 1: up to the same degree. More gage rates are higher,

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Speaker 1: people live in tougher circumstances. We've got millions more who

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Speaker 1: have entered this country illegally, taken up public resources that

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Speaker 1: should be used on other purposes. And yet somehow we

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Speaker 1: are still focusing on some word that Donald Trump said,

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Speaker 1: as opposed to asking ourselves, how are we going to

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Speaker 1: trust that underlying.

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Speaker 4: Yahn won anything since twenty sixty.

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Speaker 2: From sixteen and I think what you lost the House

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01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:54,880
Speaker 2: on electionen you lost the House twenty twenty, you lost

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Speaker 2: the White House.

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Speaker 1: I think he's going to win in a landslide this.

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Speaker 4: Year, But what about in a haven't won any fair

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Speaker 4: conducted election.

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Speaker 1: I think he run wins in a landslide this year. Look,

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Speaker 1: I think people voted for the policies, and at the

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Speaker 1: end of the day, look, I'm looking to take many

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Speaker 1: of those policies to the next level. That's what I

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Speaker 1: was doing in my candidacy. But the people were clear

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Speaker 1: they want someone who's tried and true, and they want

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Speaker 1: the policies we had from twenty sixteen to twenty twenty.

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Speaker 1: That's what we're gona happen in this country now.

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Speaker 3: Vivig let me ask you a question. Now here's a

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Speaker 3: regular citizen, you said today?

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Speaker 2: Correct?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, Now you're a cool guy. We could

1435
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Speaker 3: play basketball, pickle ball, whatever you want. What is next

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Speaker 3: with vvig? Why are you here? Are you here to

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Speaker 3: promote Trump?

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Speaker 2: Like?

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Speaker 3: Why is VVIG here today? I thought you were going

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Speaker 3: to announce something like why is VVICK here today?

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Speaker 1: So to tell you the truth, I was over the weekend. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean pretty much. We I was with family over

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Speaker 1: the weekend. Haven't seen them in a long time. We

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Speaker 1: got we're here with my kids. We saw friends and

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Speaker 1: family over the weekend. We haven't seen in forever. We've

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Speaker 1: been living in Iowa and New Hampshire and braving the

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Speaker 1: campaign trail. And you know, honestly, I think that we

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Speaker 1: need to have more open conversations in this country because

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Speaker 1: I know I'm going to blood, because I know that

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Speaker 1: we don't you know. And I also actually to tell

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Speaker 1: you the truth. I don't know if you remember this.

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Speaker 1: Last time, we had a little bit of a more

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Speaker 1: contentious exchange with with the third friend who joined by

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Speaker 1: a screen. But you said, are you going to come back?

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Speaker 1: I bet you're not going to come back? I said,

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Speaker 1: I bet you, I will, and so.

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Speaker 3: I remember your challenge was like I'm gonna come back.

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Speaker 1: I a challenge, it's a promise. I mean, your promise.

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Speaker 1: We're going to come back and close the loop on

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Speaker 1: the conversation. And that's what I want to do. And

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Speaker 1: I have a feeling, you know, if you guys will

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Speaker 1: have me, we'll do this again, you know, six months

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Speaker 1: or whenever we come back to New York again.

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Speaker 4: Do you think a person of color could ever be

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Speaker 4: a GOP nominee?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, because I read an.

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Speaker 2: Article in the Nation that said you and Nikki Haley

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Speaker 2: can't escape gop racism. And the article says you two

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Speaker 2: are boxed in by the bigotrea that you deny exist.

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Speaker 4: What are you think of that?

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Speaker 1: So I'll tell you what probably the bigger obstacle was

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Speaker 1: for me. It wasn't skin color, and I still don't

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Speaker 1: think it's irresolvable obstacle, but it was religion. I'm Hindu,

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Speaker 1: and you know, I think the easy thing you're supposed

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Speaker 1: to do as a politician is, even if you're not

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Speaker 1: claimed to be Christian, check the box. Maybe shorten your

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Speaker 1: name a little bit, make it easier to pronounce. Would

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Speaker 1: that in the short run help my electoral chances. A

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Speaker 1: lot of people were professionals at this certain say it would.

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Speaker 1: But as I told you, my whole approach to politics

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Speaker 1: is I'm gonna tell you who I am and what

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Speaker 1: I stand for. And I'm a religious.

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Speaker 4: Person, religion of the reason of jop No.

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Speaker 1: No, not at all, not at all. But I'm saying

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Speaker 1: that if I had to pick even between the two factors,

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Speaker 1: it's not even race one. I'm not making this up

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Speaker 1: because I got a lot of earnest people in Iowa

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Speaker 1: who told me they loved everything I say, and I

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Speaker 1: don't begrudge them for this, but it was difficult to

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Speaker 1: vote for me because I'm not Christian and I respect

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Speaker 1: that honesty and the kinds of conversations we had about

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Speaker 1: faith in Iowa. I mean these were including with the

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Speaker 1: with the pastor the gentleman who you know, put me

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Speaker 1: through the push up ringer before asking me the question

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Speaker 1: about systemic Rayson was actually one of the people who

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Speaker 1: came down the side of I know the difference between

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Speaker 1: a pastor and a president, and I think he ended

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Speaker 1: up becoming a supporter of mine. Actually, he became a

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Speaker 1: precinct captain, which was funny how that story ended. He

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Speaker 1: came back a few weeks later to an event, even

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Speaker 1: though he disagreed with me on some of or thought

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Speaker 1: he disagreed with me on some of the views initially

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Speaker 1: that I had on illuminating affirmative action. Came back a

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Speaker 1: few weeks later, ended up being one of our precint

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Speaker 1: captains in Iowa, and he's a Christian pastor black coming

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Speaker 1: out with disagreeing with me on the politics at one

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Speaker 1: point and a different religion on the other and became

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Speaker 1: a priestinc captain. So it's not insurmountable, but I think

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Speaker 1: that was a bigger question and understandably on people's minds.

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Speaker 1: Right the nation is founded as a matter of history

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Speaker 1: on Judeo Christian principles. But one of the things I

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Speaker 1: had an opportunity to share with people was actually and

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Speaker 1: it almost forced me to take a step back and

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Speaker 1: really locate, like, what are my actual faith convictions. Most

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Speaker 1: of us think we are whatever religion we are, but

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Speaker 1: when you're really pressed on it. It's one of the

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Speaker 1: things in this campaign is it really brought me back

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Speaker 1: in touch with my own faith and I shared with

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Speaker 1: people what my faith is. There's one True God. He

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Speaker 1: puts us here for a purpose. He works through us.

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Speaker 1: It's not being done by us, it's being done through us.

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Speaker 1: But we are still equal because God resides in each

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Speaker 1: of us. That's the heart of my faith, which is

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Speaker 1: slightly different than the way you'd say it is that

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Speaker 1: we're we're equal because we're all made in the image

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Speaker 1: of God and were equal in the eyes of God.

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Speaker 1: But it's making the same point. And I also learned

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Speaker 1: a lot about the difference in how to talk about

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Speaker 1: the difference between being a president and a pastor. So

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Speaker 1: you brought up Thomas Jefferson, and a lot of the

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Speaker 1: left likes to cancel part of his legacy because he

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Speaker 1: was a slaveholder. There's actually something coming from the other

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Speaker 1: side that I saw as well, and I had a

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Speaker 1: chance to educate people on and even refresh myself on.

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Speaker 1: Thomas Jefferson was not a Christian, not a traditional Christian.

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Speaker 1: He was a Deist. Actually, he made a part of

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Speaker 1: the Old the New Testament. He didn't like all the

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Speaker 1: stuff about the miracles and everything else, but he liked

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Speaker 1: the philosophy and the teachings of Jesus Christ, and so

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Speaker 1: he took a razor blade, and he cut out the

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Speaker 1: parts of the New Testament that had the philosophy that

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Speaker 1: he thought spoke to him. He used glue to glue

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Speaker 1: them together. That constitutes the Jefferson Bible today. And so

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Speaker 1: the interesting thing about that is I would meet a

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Speaker 1: lot of people on the campaign trail who would be

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Speaker 1: frankly disgusted, and I have to admit part of me

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Speaker 1: is also disgusted with the view that we can't respect

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Speaker 1: Thomas Jefferson's legacy, guy who at the age of thirty

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Speaker 1: three wrote the Declaration of Independence. I'm sitting in a

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Speaker 1: swivel chair right now. This was invented by Thomas Jefferson,

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Speaker 1: the man who was thirty three when he wrote the

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Speaker 1: Declaration of Independence. He invented the swivel chair right around

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01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:13,120
Speaker 1: the same time that man, the unafraid, the guy in

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Speaker 1: the Lewis and Clark expeditions, that we can't celebrate him

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Speaker 1: today because he was a slaveholder. From that angle, to

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Speaker 1: also tell a group of people that who believes that

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Speaker 1: only Christian can be the US president who loved Thomas Jefferson,

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Speaker 1: who loved the signer of the Declaration of Independence, who

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01:06:26,920 --> 01:06:30,120
Speaker 1: hate the left for saying that we can't celebrate Thomas

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Speaker 1: Jefferson because he was a slaveholder who actually believe that

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Speaker 1: only Christian can be president. And yet Thomas Jefferson wasn't

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Speaker 1: a traditional Christian.

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Speaker 2: At the time he became the president, was a slave

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Speaker 2: holder because he created the swivels chair. No, I'm not.

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Speaker 1: I'm saying that we are imperfect human beings. Yes, and

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Speaker 1: that you know what, two hundred and fifty years from now,

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Speaker 1: somebody will look at something that each of the three

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Speaker 1: of us have done and criticize that two hundred and

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Speaker 1: fifty years from now and say, can you believe these

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01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:54,480
Speaker 1: people shit?

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Speaker 2: They doing it now?

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Speaker 1: No, but they're really good. If they're doing it now

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Speaker 1: and they're doing it for him, then too. But if

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Speaker 1: they're doing it now, they're really going to do it

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Speaker 1: two hundred fiftyears now and right now. If we really

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01:07:04,600 --> 01:07:06,560
Speaker 1: thought about it, and we took a few hours or

1578
01:07:06,600 --> 01:07:08,280
Speaker 1: a few days to reflect on it, we could probably

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Speaker 1: figure out what that is. But if you ask you

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Speaker 1: on the spot right now, no, I don't think you

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Speaker 1: could tell me on the spot right now what people

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Speaker 1: two hundred fifty years from now going to come here

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Speaker 1: and tell you that you were an immoral man for

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Speaker 1: and all the other truths that you spoke that we

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Speaker 1: should reject them because you did some small thing that

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Speaker 1: the people two hundred fifty years from now disagree with.

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Speaker 4: Well, being a slave owned a small thing, but I

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Speaker 4: know you got to go.

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Speaker 1: But back then it was actually and that's the thing.

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Speaker 1: In seventeen seventy six, it was the.

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Speaker 4: Nature of the nature to be.

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Speaker 1: And so right now, don't be the person who was

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Speaker 1: the slaveholder back then, Be John Adams. That's what we

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Speaker 1: should call ourselves, to be the person who bucks the

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Speaker 1: trend of their time, to say I'm going to speak

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Speaker 1: on my own conviction and do what's different than being

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Speaker 1: the product of my own time. Because anybody can pare

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Speaker 1: it what the slogan is of their day. But the

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01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:50,480
Speaker 1: hard thing to do is to say the pack is

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Speaker 1: running this way, and I'm going this way instead anyway,

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Speaker 1: because it's back on my conviction. That's what we need.

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Speaker 4: People like John Adams. Arter reason. You can point at

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Speaker 4: it and say it was wrong, though, because John Adams

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Speaker 4: knew it was.

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Speaker 1: Well. A lot of people are going to be doing

1606
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Speaker 1: things today that are different than the way that each

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Speaker 1: of us is going to be living our lives and

1608
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Speaker 1: say the same thing. In two and fifty years from now,

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Speaker 1: somebody else will conversations. Abe Lincoln wasn't around then, man,

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Speaker 1: that was still later on. That was still later on.

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Speaker 1: And we'll just take the story down. We'll just pass

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Speaker 1: this lineage down. We don't talk American history enough. Actually

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Speaker 1: irritates me. A lot of consertives talk about the importance

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Speaker 1: of knowing history without actually just talking about history. Let's

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Speaker 1: talk this through. So John Adams, you know, his son

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Speaker 1: is John Quincy Adams. He's the first non founding father

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Speaker 1: who became a president. Here's a funny fact about him.

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Speaker 1: He was the first outside of the founding fathers. He

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Speaker 1: was the first one who was elected president. He actually

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01:08:33,280 --> 01:08:35,920
Speaker 1: wasn't a great president he had He was elected out

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01:08:35,960 --> 01:08:38,200
Speaker 1: after one term. People didn't love him, and so he

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01:08:38,240 --> 01:08:41,320
Speaker 1: tried to find everything else he could do. He went

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Speaker 1: and tried to write some books, and he went and

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Speaker 1: tried to start some nonprofits, and none of that spoke

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Speaker 1: to him. He is the only presidence, John Adams's son

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Speaker 1: who went back to Congress after being a president. So

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Speaker 1: he's elected to multiple terms of Congress. And you know what,

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Speaker 1: he went back to Congress with was one thing he

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Speaker 1: regretted not doing as a president was abolishing slavery. This

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Speaker 1: long before Abraham Lincoln comes along. Okay, so he wanted

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Speaker 1: abolish slavery. His father was an abolitionist. He didn't accomplish

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Speaker 1: much during his tenure as president. He was a good

1633
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Speaker 1: Secretary of State, but he was not a very good president.

1634
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Speaker 1: Think about the humility to say, I'm not even gonna

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Speaker 1: go to the Senate. I'm going to go become a

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Speaker 1: congressman and get re elected multiple times with the mission

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Speaker 1: of abolishing slavery. Now here's what happens. There was a

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Speaker 1: rule that Congress passes, it's called the gag rule, which

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01:09:27,240 --> 01:09:31,040
Speaker 1: stopped people from using the word slavery. Like they literally

1640
01:09:31,080 --> 01:09:33,040
Speaker 1: couldn't use the word slavery because they don't want people

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Speaker 1: to utter the word because it made them uncomfortable. So

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Speaker 1: this guy's already been the US president, Okay, so he

1643
01:09:39,479 --> 01:09:41,400
Speaker 1: has nothing to lose. So he's just a congressman. Now

1644
01:09:41,520 --> 01:09:43,120
Speaker 1: he says, I'm gonna say the word. I'm gonna say

1645
01:09:43,120 --> 01:09:46,000
Speaker 1: it slavery, slavery, slavery, slavery. There, Congress has set the

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Speaker 1: rule that you can't say the word slavery. Well, I'm

1647
01:09:48,040 --> 01:09:50,880
Speaker 1: going to say it. So they censure him and have

1648
01:09:51,040 --> 01:09:53,240
Speaker 1: just like they have today George Santos or whatever, they'll

1649
01:09:53,280 --> 01:09:55,400
Speaker 1: have the equivalent of kicking him out of Congress. So

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Speaker 1: they have his trial in Congress, and he uses his

1651
01:09:59,120 --> 01:10:01,400
Speaker 1: own personal trial, because this guy's got nothing to lose.

1652
01:10:01,680 --> 01:10:04,160
Speaker 1: They use his own personal trial for saying the word

1653
01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:06,000
Speaker 1: slavery when you're not allowed to say the word slavery

1654
01:10:06,439 --> 01:10:11,080
Speaker 1: to make the case for abolition from the stand of

1655
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Speaker 1: his own trial to being kicked out of Congress. At

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Speaker 1: the end of that, they get rid of the gag rule,

1657
01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:18,960
Speaker 1: so you're allowed to say slavery, which opens up the

1658
01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:22,639
Speaker 1: debates that you're then allowed to have. So a year later,

1659
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Speaker 1: about a year or so later, he's given a speech

1660
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Speaker 1: on the Congress floor. It means, it's amazing this guy

1661
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Speaker 1: with this humility. He's given a speech on the Congress floor.

1662
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Speaker 1: He has a stroke in the middle of his speech.

1663
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Speaker 1: He dies right there. He doesn't die quite yet. They

1664
01:10:38,960 --> 01:10:41,120
Speaker 1: take him up to the upstairs room, keep him alive

1665
01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:45,519
Speaker 1: for another couple of days, and eventually he dies up

1666
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Speaker 1: in that ante room outside in the same Congress where

1667
01:10:48,120 --> 01:10:50,960
Speaker 1: he then devoted that later stage of his career, and

1668
01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:54,679
Speaker 1: they took volunteers for who's going to be the person

1669
01:10:54,760 --> 01:10:58,240
Speaker 1: who carries out his funeral rights and carries him out

1670
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Speaker 1: and the guy who raises his hand and does as

1671
01:11:00,240 --> 01:11:04,240
Speaker 1: it was a first term congressman nobody had heard of,

1672
01:11:04,320 --> 01:11:06,240
Speaker 1: hadn't said a word by the name of Abraham Lincoln.

1673
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Speaker 1: And so these are the stories of our history. Man,

1674
01:11:10,360 --> 01:11:13,840
Speaker 1: we don't tell these stories anymore. We celebrate. We would

1675
01:11:13,439 --> 01:11:15,960
Speaker 1: put back our founding fathers and would talk about how

1676
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:19,200
Speaker 1: these people are, how these people are slave owners who

1677
01:11:19,240 --> 01:11:22,040
Speaker 1: want to dismiss the ideals they said into motion without

1678
01:11:22,080 --> 01:11:25,960
Speaker 1: recognizing that, like us today, these are imperfect human beings

1679
01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:29,160
Speaker 1: that still strived and to be the best that they

1680
01:11:29,160 --> 01:11:33,120
Speaker 1: possibly could have, just as we do today. And so

1681
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Speaker 1: it bothers me deeply for us to just lazily reject that,

1682
01:11:37,360 --> 01:11:40,800
Speaker 1: as opposed to saying we acknowledge those imperfections, but were

1683
01:11:40,800 --> 01:11:43,200
Speaker 1: founded on the pursuit of a more perfect unit, absolutely

1684
01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:45,760
Speaker 1: the pursuit of liberty and justice.

1685
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Speaker 4: Dismiss it and s I'm not dismissing.

1686
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Speaker 1: Do it sound like I'm dismissing at charlet mane, I

1687
01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:54,599
Speaker 1: disagree with you, man, and I I agree that put

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01:11:54,600 --> 01:11:56,519
Speaker 1: me in the category of the conversation we had, and

1689
01:11:56,600 --> 01:11:58,040
Speaker 1: saying that I just dismissed it out of hand, I

1690
01:11:58,040 --> 01:12:00,360
Speaker 1: think that that's I think that's unfair. I think that

1691
01:12:00,360 --> 01:12:02,640
Speaker 1: that's unfair. I don't think I dismiss it, but I

1692
01:12:02,680 --> 01:12:06,000
Speaker 1: acknowledge the totality of what a human being is, which

1693
01:12:06,040 --> 01:12:07,760
Speaker 1: is an imperfect and flawed human being who we can

1694
01:12:07,800 --> 01:12:08,479
Speaker 1: still celebrate.

1695
01:12:08,560 --> 01:12:10,160
Speaker 2: I'm fine with that, but you can have to be

1696
01:12:10,240 --> 01:12:12,000
Speaker 2: but you can't tell people just to ignore the fact

1697
01:12:12,000 --> 01:12:12,799
Speaker 2: that Thomas Jeffson.

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Speaker 1: I'm not telling people to ignore it, though, And this

1699
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:18,000
Speaker 1: is what I think we I'm in this to unite

1700
01:12:18,040 --> 01:12:20,479
Speaker 1: the country, and I think if we're going to take

1701
01:12:20,520 --> 01:12:24,240
Speaker 1: this seriously, every one of us has to acknowledge the

1702
01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:26,720
Speaker 1: full nuances of our history in every direction. To say

1703
01:12:26,720 --> 01:12:28,479
Speaker 1: that we're not going to listen to Thomas Jefferson or

1704
01:12:28,520 --> 01:12:31,719
Speaker 1: there are founding was illegitimate because they were deeply imperfect

1705
01:12:31,800 --> 01:12:35,559
Speaker 1: and flawed is every bit as bad as somebody who's

1706
01:12:35,560 --> 01:12:37,720
Speaker 1: going to say that I'm going to entirely dismiss the

1707
01:12:37,720 --> 01:12:40,080
Speaker 1: fact that they were slave owners. I think that both

1708
01:12:40,120 --> 01:12:44,920
Speaker 1: of those are mistakes that could lead lead to the

1709
01:12:44,920 --> 01:12:47,080
Speaker 1: failure of our country as we know it. I think

1710
01:12:47,080 --> 01:12:50,040
Speaker 1: our country will cease to exist if either side of

1711
01:12:50,040 --> 01:12:52,320
Speaker 1: our debate is that one hand willing to say, oh,

1712
01:12:52,560 --> 01:12:55,439
Speaker 1: slavery was some made up myth, and actually I don't

1713
01:12:55,439 --> 01:12:57,080
Speaker 1: know it was in the interest of people could say

1714
01:12:57,160 --> 01:12:58,800
Speaker 1: such things, It was the interest of black people to

1715
01:12:58,840 --> 01:13:02,360
Speaker 1: be slaves. Whatevericulous. Okay, Well, I think that if we

1716
01:13:02,400 --> 01:13:04,519
Speaker 1: have a different side that says our founding fathers, who

1717
01:13:04,520 --> 01:13:07,080
Speaker 1: wrote a declaration of independence founded on the pursuit of

1718
01:13:07,120 --> 01:13:09,920
Speaker 1: a more perfect union, right, the pursuit of liberty, quality

1719
01:13:09,920 --> 01:13:11,840
Speaker 1: and justice for all, not claiming were perfect, but that

1720
01:13:11,920 --> 01:13:14,519
Speaker 1: our nation founded on freedom for all who aspire to

1721
01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:17,240
Speaker 1: have them. That were imperfect, but we eventually got there

1722
01:13:17,280 --> 01:13:19,840
Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty years And as darn close as

1723
01:13:19,880 --> 01:13:22,040
Speaker 1: we've ever been to reject that and say that we

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Speaker 1: can't celebrate that founding because they made a mistake of

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01:13:24,400 --> 01:13:26,840
Speaker 1: being slave owners, I think that that is every bit

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Speaker 1: as bad for the future of our country versus acknowledging

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Speaker 1: that we are still pursuing that more perfect union.

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Speaker 2: What I would say is what you talked about with

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01:13:34,520 --> 01:13:36,599
Speaker 2: Thomas Jefferson when he took the razor, and he took

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Speaker 2: out some of the philosophies that he agreed with. We

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01:13:39,160 --> 01:13:40,920
Speaker 2: should take some of those things that we agree with,

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01:13:40,960 --> 01:13:44,000
Speaker 2: but then everybody should come to the table, because all

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01:13:44,520 --> 01:13:46,880
Speaker 2: was not at the table when those people wrote those documents.

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Speaker 1: We got that we have too much under our country.

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01:13:48,800 --> 01:13:52,360
Speaker 1: We understand that, okay, But my point is my point

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01:13:52,400 --> 01:13:54,280
Speaker 1: is not rejecting that or taking a hammer to it.

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01:13:54,280 --> 01:13:57,320
Speaker 1: It's more of a different response. It's like, we got it,

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01:13:58,000 --> 01:14:00,600
Speaker 1: like totally. Like at a certain point we've got to

1739
01:14:00,600 --> 01:14:04,040
Speaker 1: say we've got it. We don't do no, but I can,

1740
01:14:04,240 --> 01:14:06,240
Speaker 1: but we don't. We got it. And now and now

1741
01:14:06,280 --> 01:14:11,800
Speaker 1: it's time for three hundred and sixty degree mercy, clemency,

1742
01:14:11,880 --> 01:14:15,640
Speaker 1: forgiveness across the board and that we're moving forward as

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01:14:15,680 --> 01:14:19,320
Speaker 1: one nation under God. And I think that I think

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01:14:19,320 --> 01:14:22,200
Speaker 1: that moment is now actually and that's why I ran

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01:14:22,240 --> 01:14:25,200
Speaker 1: for president, and it clearly I did not succeed to

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01:14:25,280 --> 01:14:27,000
Speaker 1: the scale that I wanted to. I'm proud of what

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01:14:27,000 --> 01:14:30,080
Speaker 1: we accomplished. As I said, started as ordinary guy, kid

1748
01:14:30,080 --> 01:14:31,920
Speaker 1: of immigrants, came to this country with no money. They

1749
01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:35,040
Speaker 1: would have never imagined that I'm self funding a presidential

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01:14:35,080 --> 01:14:37,120
Speaker 1: campaign to try to try to reach the people with

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01:14:37,200 --> 01:14:39,960
Speaker 1: this message. But I'm not stopping now, and I don't

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01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:42,960
Speaker 1: know what form that's going to take in this next phase,

1753
01:14:43,920 --> 01:14:47,120
Speaker 1: but I'm all in for that. And even for people.

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01:14:47,120 --> 01:14:48,360
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys are on the left

1755
01:14:48,400 --> 01:14:50,920
Speaker 1: or not, how you'd characterize yourself, but people have different views.

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01:14:51,800 --> 01:14:54,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna asking you, okay, I mean, whatever it means

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01:14:54,160 --> 01:14:57,080
Speaker 1: right and these labels, what do these things mean right? You know,

1758
01:14:57,200 --> 01:14:59,519
Speaker 1: hard right, hard left? I think these things actually mean

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01:14:59,560 --> 01:15:01,439
Speaker 1: a lot less right now in an era where we're

1760
01:15:01,439 --> 01:15:03,360
Speaker 1: closer to World War three than we've ever been, and

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01:15:03,400 --> 01:15:06,360
Speaker 1: the only bipartisan consensus in the establishment of both parties

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01:15:06,439 --> 01:15:10,360
Speaker 1: is to march us closer. Forget the labels. I'm asking

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01:15:10,400 --> 01:15:12,519
Speaker 1: those of you who care about the country, and I

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01:15:12,520 --> 01:15:14,080
Speaker 1: believe you do. You wouldn't be doing what you're doing

1765
01:15:14,200 --> 01:15:16,479
Speaker 1: every day if you didn't have a care for this country.

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01:15:16,520 --> 01:15:18,559
Speaker 1: And I don't think you would be either, man. I

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01:15:18,600 --> 01:15:20,160
Speaker 1: mean you could. I know you like cars, you could

1768
01:15:20,160 --> 01:15:22,040
Speaker 1: be talking about cars the whole time, but you're not.

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01:15:22,200 --> 01:15:24,240
Speaker 1: You're talking about this and I think it's because you

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01:15:24,280 --> 01:15:25,280
Speaker 1: care about the country.

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Speaker 2: How can you.

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01:15:26,000 --> 01:15:28,439
Speaker 1: I think it is because you support Trump? I do

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01:15:28,520 --> 01:15:30,280
Speaker 1: care about the country. And I think the Trump I.

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01:15:30,280 --> 01:15:33,120
Speaker 2: Want to be spend the constitution, the overturn the results

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Speaker 2: of an election.

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Speaker 1: Charlemagne, I think, I think that, I think that a

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01:15:37,520 --> 01:15:39,719
Speaker 1: lot of democracy. Here's what I will say is.

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Speaker 4: How can you respect the country?

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01:15:40,680 --> 01:15:43,439
Speaker 1: If don't make democracy, I'll make I'll make a deal

1780
01:15:43,479 --> 01:15:44,760
Speaker 1: with you can even do this off one because we're

1781
01:15:44,760 --> 01:15:47,599
Speaker 1: not gonna do it here with an open mind. Take

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01:15:47,640 --> 01:15:51,599
Speaker 1: a look at the totality of government entrapment in the

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01:15:52,280 --> 01:15:55,040
Speaker 1: lead up to the twenty twenty election and even afterwards,

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01:15:56,280 --> 01:15:59,000
Speaker 1: and then you look at the same cases from sixty

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01:15:59,040 --> 01:16:01,640
Speaker 1: years ago, and what you realize is this is just

1786
01:16:01,760 --> 01:16:04,800
Speaker 1: history continuing as it has for the last six years.

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01:16:04,800 --> 01:16:06,360
Speaker 1: A good book, I'll give you. My wife actually read

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01:16:06,400 --> 01:16:08,519
Speaker 1: it when I told her I wanted to shut down

1789
01:16:08,560 --> 01:16:11,160
Speaker 1: the FBN. She's not a terribly political person at all,

1790
01:16:11,840 --> 01:16:13,400
Speaker 1: but I told her I want to shut down the FBI.

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01:16:13,479 --> 01:16:15,320
Speaker 1: She thought it was crazy. She thought a lot of

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01:16:15,400 --> 01:16:17,639
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about here sounded like crazy talk, because

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01:16:17,640 --> 01:16:19,840
Speaker 1: I would have believed three four years ago myself. She

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01:16:19,880 --> 01:16:21,920
Speaker 1: read a book herself. She doesn't take it from me.

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01:16:22,000 --> 01:16:25,559
Speaker 1: She's an independent student. She reade a book called g

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01:16:25,720 --> 01:16:29,040
Speaker 1: Man and if everybody is watching this right now. I

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01:16:29,080 --> 01:16:30,800
Speaker 1: would recommend taking a look at it too. It's not

1798
01:16:30,840 --> 01:16:32,960
Speaker 1: some right winger wrote this book. It's some as far

1799
01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:35,080
Speaker 1: as I know, some sort of liberal Yale historian. But

1800
01:16:35,240 --> 01:16:38,120
Speaker 1: it's a Politzer Prize winning book, not some right wing screed.

1801
01:16:39,160 --> 01:16:42,400
Speaker 1: G Man stands for government. Man gives you the history

1802
01:16:42,560 --> 01:16:46,920
Speaker 1: of JEdgar Hoover's FBI, And once you read that, I

1803
01:16:46,960 --> 01:16:50,320
Speaker 1: think you will likely most people, I think probably ninety

1804
01:16:50,320 --> 01:16:52,720
Speaker 1: percent of people will actually come around to having the

1805
01:16:52,760 --> 01:16:57,680
Speaker 1: same views that I do about the tortuous impact of

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01:16:57,720 --> 01:16:59,760
Speaker 1: that federal bureaucracy. And I think part of a lot

1807
01:16:59,760 --> 01:17:01,840
Speaker 1: of the stuff that we might argue against, what I'll

1808
01:17:01,880 --> 01:17:05,080
Speaker 1: call the woke stuff or whatever, is really just woke

1809
01:17:05,240 --> 01:17:10,639
Speaker 1: smoke to deflect accountability for the failures of that bureaucracy. Right,

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01:17:10,640 --> 01:17:13,000
Speaker 1: you take the Federal Department of Education, Right, you know

1811
01:17:13,040 --> 01:17:16,120
Speaker 1: what the woke smoke is. Math is racist. You've heard

1812
01:17:16,160 --> 01:17:18,840
Speaker 1: people say this, it's forget about the forget about the smoke.

1813
01:17:18,880 --> 01:17:21,040
Speaker 1: Don't fall for the smoke, fall for the reality that

1814
01:17:21,120 --> 01:17:22,880
Speaker 1: they have failed to teach our kids how to do

1815
01:17:23,000 --> 01:17:24,559
Speaker 1: math for those last forty years.

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Speaker 2: You want to rise and fall of the third Reich,

1817
01:17:28,080 --> 01:17:30,120
Speaker 2: and you'll see how what's going on right now in

1818
01:17:30,120 --> 01:17:31,799
Speaker 2: this country is too close to comfort.

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01:17:32,920 --> 01:17:33,519
Speaker 4: What happened.

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of people would hear you say that,

1821
01:17:35,920 --> 01:17:38,439
Speaker 1: Charle Mane, and I'm one of them who worry about

1822
01:17:38,439 --> 01:17:40,559
Speaker 1: all right, forget about the labels. If we have a

1823
01:17:40,560 --> 01:17:44,559
Speaker 1: country that says that, you know what, if you say

1824
01:17:44,600 --> 01:17:47,760
Speaker 1: something on social media and you like to retweeted a

1825
01:17:47,840 --> 01:17:51,479
Speaker 1: post of one particular political candidate, you're the subject of

1826
01:17:51,520 --> 01:17:54,880
Speaker 1: a subpoena. And we have a candidate of a different

1827
01:17:54,920 --> 01:17:56,719
Speaker 1: party who says that we need to tie your social

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01:17:56,760 --> 01:18:00,799
Speaker 1: media account to your government issued ID, and the government

1829
01:18:00,800 --> 01:18:02,519
Speaker 1: gets to see every time you've liked or retweeted a

1830
01:18:02,560 --> 01:18:05,320
Speaker 1: social media post. That that would be pretty frightening. Yet that's

1831
01:18:05,360 --> 01:18:07,960
Speaker 1: exactly in the Jack Smith investigation of Donald Trump. The

1832
01:18:07,960 --> 01:18:11,439
Speaker 1: subpoena includes literally on Twitter. You guys use Twitter, anybody

1833
01:18:11,439 --> 01:18:13,519
Speaker 1: who hit like or retweet you want the government to

1834
01:18:13,560 --> 01:18:15,760
Speaker 1: be able to include that as part of a subpoena.

1835
01:18:15,960 --> 01:18:17,600
Speaker 1: And you've got Nikki Haley coming over from the so

1836
01:18:17,680 --> 01:18:19,439
Speaker 1: called right saying that actually you need to actually have

1837
01:18:19,520 --> 01:18:19,920
Speaker 1: used your.

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Speaker 4: Social media period.

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01:18:23,360 --> 01:18:25,160
Speaker 1: And I don't think the government officials should be able

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01:18:25,200 --> 01:18:27,080
Speaker 1: to intrude on what you're saying on the internet if

1841
01:18:27,080 --> 01:18:30,000
Speaker 1: you're actually saying it with your expressing your opinion, and

1842
01:18:30,080 --> 01:18:31,760
Speaker 1: have the ability to actually come up to you and

1843
01:18:31,880 --> 01:18:34,439
Speaker 1: question you based on what you said. Either. That sounds

1844
01:18:34,479 --> 01:18:36,040
Speaker 1: a lot like the third Wreck of Germany to me.

1845
01:18:36,080 --> 01:18:38,400
Speaker 1: So you could cut this a lot of different ways.

1846
01:18:38,400 --> 01:18:40,160
Speaker 1: The infringements on free speech. To say that if you

1847
01:18:40,200 --> 01:18:43,080
Speaker 1: said the COVID pandemic originated in a lab in China,

1848
01:18:43,240 --> 01:18:45,200
Speaker 1: We're going to lock your account. You can't say that.

1849
01:18:45,200 --> 01:18:46,639
Speaker 4: That's what Trump wants to do to media who goes

1850
01:18:46,680 --> 01:18:47,200
Speaker 4: against him.

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01:18:47,200 --> 01:18:50,760
Speaker 1: Well, why I'm talking about something very specific here during

1852
01:18:50,800 --> 01:18:53,479
Speaker 1: the COVID nineteen pandemic. It wasn't it wasn't Donald Trump

1853
01:18:53,520 --> 01:18:54,439
Speaker 1: that that wanted this.

1854
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Speaker 2: Hit.

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01:18:56,680 --> 01:18:59,120
Speaker 1: I think that both political parties are full of shit. Okay, now,

1856
01:18:59,160 --> 01:19:01,800
Speaker 1: both political parties are full of shame. I think both

1857
01:19:01,840 --> 01:19:03,640
Speaker 1: political parties are full of shit. I agree with you

1858
01:19:03,720 --> 01:19:05,920
Speaker 1: on that the repub and that's you know, a lot

1859
01:19:05,920 --> 01:19:08,599
Speaker 1: of the influence, actually the influence of money that's really

1860
01:19:08,600 --> 01:19:11,320
Speaker 1: the problem, because it's some of the same donors who

1861
01:19:11,360 --> 01:19:14,759
Speaker 1: are writing multimillion dollar checks that are pulling the strings

1862
01:19:14,760 --> 01:19:16,880
Speaker 1: of both of these people. Like puppets. They're like pawns

1863
01:19:16,880 --> 01:19:19,320
Speaker 1: on a chess board. And so that's why I spent

1864
01:19:19,360 --> 01:19:21,400
Speaker 1: I mean, I got probably more connections to be able

1865
01:19:21,439 --> 01:19:24,360
Speaker 1: to raise outside money into superpacks or whatever, but I

1866
01:19:24,360 --> 01:19:26,759
Speaker 1: don't want to do that. I'd rather put thirty million

1867
01:19:26,760 --> 01:19:28,840
Speaker 1: of my own money. I'd rather do that than to

1868
01:19:28,840 --> 01:19:32,080
Speaker 1: be somebody else's circus monkey or pawn on a chessboard,

1869
01:19:32,120 --> 01:19:34,960
Speaker 1: which is what basically, both political parties have become.

1870
01:19:35,320 --> 01:19:37,240
Speaker 3: A shame full of sh its, like both sides and

1871
01:19:37,320 --> 01:19:40,160
Speaker 3: call salespeople. Nothing ever changes. We had the same thing

1872
01:19:40,240 --> 01:19:40,760
Speaker 3: over and over.

1873
01:19:40,800 --> 01:19:44,040
Speaker 1: I don't think it has to say that one first,

1874
01:19:46,720 --> 01:19:47,920
Speaker 1: But don't you think it's a shame that we're not

1875
01:19:47,960 --> 01:19:50,040
Speaker 1: even Canada anymore? A shame that every.

1876
01:19:49,840 --> 01:19:52,320
Speaker 2: Presidential election we're voting for the lesser of two evils.

1877
01:19:52,360 --> 01:19:53,960
Speaker 3: It's the same thing over and over again.

1878
01:19:53,960 --> 01:19:56,920
Speaker 4: And I will say is cons when I hear you,

1879
01:19:56,960 --> 01:19:58,080
Speaker 4: and here.

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01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:01,760
Speaker 1: We preach to the Republican Party for a second, because

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01:20:01,760 --> 01:20:02,960
Speaker 1: this is what I said, This is my whole last

1882
01:20:03,040 --> 01:20:04,639
Speaker 1: message in the last two months of the campaign, troll,

1883
01:20:04,680 --> 01:20:08,040
Speaker 1: the Republican Party has become lazy, Bucklin Barty has become

1884
01:20:08,120 --> 01:20:12,560
Speaker 1: lazy because we are just criticizing the vision of the

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01:20:12,600 --> 01:20:14,040
Speaker 1: other side, and then let's start. I'll give you a

1886
01:20:14,120 --> 01:20:16,200
Speaker 1: vision of you know, we we'll complain about I'll complain

1887
01:20:16,240 --> 01:20:21,960
Speaker 1: about it, race, gender, sexuality, climate correct, complain about that

1888
01:20:22,600 --> 01:20:26,559
Speaker 1: without offering an alternative vision of our own. What do

1889
01:20:26,640 --> 01:20:29,840
Speaker 1: we actually stand for? And I'll be the first person

1890
01:20:29,880 --> 01:20:32,880
Speaker 1: acknowledge that is missing in the Republican Party today, an

1891
01:20:32,920 --> 01:20:37,320
Speaker 1: actual alternative vision. Biden bad is not an agenda. And

1892
01:20:37,400 --> 01:20:40,839
Speaker 1: yet the reason why we got trounced in that midterm,

1893
01:20:40,880 --> 01:20:43,479
Speaker 1: relative to what should have happened, I wasn't. I don't

1894
01:20:43,479 --> 01:20:44,800
Speaker 1: think it was because abortion. I don't think it was

1895
01:20:44,800 --> 01:20:46,920
Speaker 1: because of Trump. Those are all things that people failed

1896
01:20:47,000 --> 01:20:50,120
Speaker 1: to you know, just blame game stuff. The real reason

1897
01:20:50,240 --> 01:20:53,280
Speaker 1: is Biden bad is not an agenda. We have to

1898
01:20:53,320 --> 01:20:55,760
Speaker 1: offer an alternative vision of what we stand for. So

1899
01:20:56,280 --> 01:20:59,639
Speaker 1: if we're talking race, gender, sexuality, and climate over here,

1900
01:21:00,240 --> 01:21:06,160
Speaker 1: we'll talk over here about individual, family, nation, and God.

1901
01:21:08,520 --> 01:21:10,920
Speaker 1: It's an alternativision. You could agree or disagree with it.

1902
01:21:10,920 --> 01:21:13,280
Speaker 1: The value of each individual, the value of the family

1903
01:21:13,439 --> 01:21:16,680
Speaker 1: as a grounding institution, the value of the nation. I'm

1904
01:21:16,680 --> 01:21:19,879
Speaker 1: a citizen of this nation, not some nebulous global citizen.

1905
01:21:20,120 --> 01:21:22,559
Speaker 1: Fighting climate change in Davos. No, I'm a citizen of

1906
01:21:22,560 --> 01:21:24,240
Speaker 1: this nation, and I have an obligation to my fellow

1907
01:21:24,280 --> 01:21:27,519
Speaker 1: citizens and God in the same way as a leader.

1908
01:21:27,520 --> 01:21:29,799
Speaker 1: As I'm a father of two sons. My moral obligation

1909
01:21:29,840 --> 01:21:31,840
Speaker 1: as a father is to my family and to my

1910
01:21:31,880 --> 01:21:34,160
Speaker 1: son's period, and I won't be shaken in that. Well,

1911
01:21:34,160 --> 01:21:36,599
Speaker 1: then my moral obligation as a president of this nation

1912
01:21:37,080 --> 01:21:39,400
Speaker 1: is to the citizens of this nation, not another one,

1913
01:21:39,520 --> 01:21:41,200
Speaker 1: not just to people who agree with me, people on

1914
01:21:41,240 --> 01:21:43,280
Speaker 1: the South side of Chicago to Kensington, to everywhere else

1915
01:21:43,280 --> 01:21:45,360
Speaker 1: that I've visited in this campaign. All of those are

1916
01:21:45,400 --> 01:21:48,639
Speaker 1: equally included as Americans. But that's still what it means

1917
01:21:48,680 --> 01:21:51,240
Speaker 1: to be an American. And yes, we are one nation

1918
01:21:51,479 --> 01:21:53,000
Speaker 1: under God. And you know what, if more of us

1919
01:21:53,080 --> 01:21:54,920
Speaker 1: acknowledge that, do you think we'd be more united or

1920
01:21:54,920 --> 01:21:57,040
Speaker 1: more divided. I think we'd be more united. And I

1921
01:21:57,080 --> 01:21:59,120
Speaker 1: say this as somebody who has been hit for having

1922
01:21:59,160 --> 01:22:02,519
Speaker 1: a slightly different relation than the most predominant religion in

1923
01:22:02,520 --> 01:22:03,840
Speaker 1: the country. I still think it's a good thing for

1924
01:22:03,920 --> 01:22:06,600
Speaker 1: us technoledge that we were one nation under God. You

1925
01:22:06,600 --> 01:22:08,599
Speaker 1: could agree or not with that vision. I think it's

1926
01:22:08,600 --> 01:22:10,640
Speaker 1: a winning vision. For the Republican Party, that you are

1927
01:22:10,640 --> 01:22:13,120
Speaker 1: an individual and I'm an individual. We're not riding the

1928
01:22:13,160 --> 01:22:16,880
Speaker 1: tectonic plates of group identity. You're Charlemagne and you're DJNV,

1929
01:22:16,960 --> 01:22:19,519
Speaker 1: and I'm me, and I'm an agent in this world

1930
01:22:19,600 --> 01:22:22,360
Speaker 1: that can achieve whatever I want, not writing somebody else's

1931
01:22:22,400 --> 01:22:25,320
Speaker 1: tectonic plate. That I'm a family and a member of

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01:22:25,360 --> 01:22:27,599
Speaker 1: a family, and that there's a mother and a father

1933
01:22:27,720 --> 01:22:29,760
Speaker 1: involved and that's inherently a good thing, and that the

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Speaker 1: nuclear family is the greatest form of governance known to mad.

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Speaker 2: After Republican Party, though they've been the party in the

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Speaker 2: Confederacy forever.

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Speaker 1: So listen, I'm coming in. I've said this since day one.

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Speaker 1: I was using the Republican Party as a vehicle to

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Speaker 1: advance a pro American agenda, and it made people mad

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Speaker 1: when I said it. Roni McDaniel, I don't know if

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Speaker 1: you know she is. She's the chairman woman of the RNC.

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Speaker 1: She after the third Debate or whatever, said I would

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Speaker 1: not get another scent of funding from the RNC. I mean,

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Speaker 1: almost proven my point about the managerial interest, and so yes,

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Speaker 1: I will admit it. I was and am and if

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Speaker 1: there's a future we'll be using the Republican Party as

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Speaker 1: a vehicle to advance a pro American agenda. It's not

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Speaker 1: about Republicans and Democrats. I think it is about the

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Speaker 1: managerial class. We can talk about what that means. It's

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Speaker 1: the bureaucracy in government. Outside of government, the people you know,

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Speaker 1: staffing the boards of some nonprofit, the associate dean of

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Speaker 1: God knows what at a university, the undersecretary of something else.

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Speaker 1: In the administrative state. It's the managerial class versus the

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Speaker 1: everyday citizen.

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Speaker 2: I think we need multiparty systems. And the reason I

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Speaker 2: think we need multiparty systems is because those terms Republican

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Speaker 2: and Democrat both are too radioactive. The only thing I'll

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Speaker 2: say about multiparty system as soon as you hit one,

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Speaker 2: you already label a person. As soon as you hit

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Speaker 2: oldest person's that you label. As soon as you hit

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Speaker 2: this person that you label them.

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Speaker 1: We need a multipartiesis the only thing I'll say about

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Speaker 1: multiparty system. Is you go to a place like India

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Speaker 1: or whatever. Right, My myand parents immigrants from India, and

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Speaker 1: you think it's bad here, It's like horrific over there.

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Speaker 1: You got a multi party system. But people will just

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Speaker 1: be shipping TVs into people's houses as a way to

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Speaker 1: just get their vote. And I think it's less about

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Speaker 1: two party versus multi party. It's more about actually us, right,

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Speaker 1: So we can all blame the system, but I think

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Speaker 1: part of the problem is we as people were conditioned

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Speaker 1: to behave like sheep. Actually, I think all. I mean,

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Speaker 1: there's an inner part of us that's a lion, and

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Speaker 1: an inner part of us that is a sheep, and

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Speaker 1: I think right now we live in a moment where

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Speaker 1: the inner sheep has taken over. I think it's a

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Speaker 1: big part of it. In kids, I would ban social

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Speaker 1: media in kids under the age of sixteen. I would

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Speaker 1: get phones out of the high schools. I mean, let's

1980
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Speaker 1: just start with basics that we can agree on. Out

1981
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Speaker 1: of the board. The algorithms train you to behave like

1982
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Speaker 1: a sheep, because the more you behave like a sheep,

1983
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Speaker 1: the more it is you're likely to click buy. Actually,

1984
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Speaker 1: that's what That's what Mark Zuckerberg's basic insight was. You

1985
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Speaker 1: know what the site was on Harvard's campus. I was

1986
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Speaker 1: a year behind him in college when Facebook came out,

1987
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Speaker 1: But you know what the predecessor site was to Facebook,

1988
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Speaker 1: was youre familiar the story is hot or not? That

1989
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Speaker 1: was the that was original Facebook. So he was a sophomore.

1990
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Speaker 1: I was a freshman, and I was one of the

1991
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Speaker 1: early you know, people who got in the what became Facebook.

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Speaker 1: But the first thing was he would just blast it

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Speaker 1: out to you, rip pictures from the Harvard directory, get

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Speaker 1: two pictures, and then there'd be all kinds of games

1995
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Speaker 1: they'd make it. And the whole game was how quickly

1996
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Speaker 1: you would click on one of them versus another, and

1997
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Speaker 1: that would be his window into your soul. Actually, like

1998
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Speaker 1: that was the insight. Now they got him for inappropriately

1999
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Speaker 1: using Harvard property, and so he left and just decided

2000
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Speaker 1: this is working so well, I'm just going to do

2001
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Speaker 1: it separately. That became not only Facebook, but became the

2002
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Speaker 1: backbone of an entire industry designed to prey on your insecurities,

2003
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Speaker 1: on our insecurities, to open a window into your soul

2004
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Speaker 1: that is deeper than you have into your own. And

2005
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Speaker 1: that's the whole game. And so the more you behave

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Speaker 1: like a sheep, and that's what modern AI is actually

2007
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Speaker 1: going to be very good at doing. Is you know,

2008
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Speaker 1: the best antidote to AI is people going to call

2009
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Speaker 1: me crazy person for saying this and misquote me, take

2010
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Speaker 1: it out of context, but I don't care. The best

2011
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Speaker 1: antidote to AI actually is I think a revival of

2012
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Speaker 1: faith in the country because I think that part of

2013
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Speaker 1: what actually these algorithms do is they prey on an

2014
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Speaker 1: inner vacuum, and that I think has created this nation

2015
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Speaker 1: of sheep. So in some ways we can blame two

2016
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Speaker 1: party systems or this or that. Nothing's going to change

2017
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Speaker 1: until we all actually have an honest introspection about who

2018
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Speaker 1: we really are.

2019
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Speaker 4: Listen, I got a piece. We got to wrap this

2020
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Speaker 4: up for.

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Speaker 2: I think what you just said is great, but you

2022
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Speaker 2: need to start with yourself because you have better ideas

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Speaker 2: than a Donald Trump's.

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Speaker 4: So there's no need to be his sheep.

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Speaker 1: Need to be the best person to lead this country forward.

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Speaker 4: There's no need to be his life. I disagree with

2027
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Speaker 4: your characters. I believe you're better than that personally.

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Speaker 1: I enjoyed the conversation we're having here, and I think

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Speaker 1: that we need more of this in the country. I

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Speaker 1: don't think we need people continue to just talk and

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Speaker 1: feed their own echo chambers. I think we need more

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Speaker 1: of this, And so next time we're in New York

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Speaker 1: with some time. You have my word, I'll swing by

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Speaker 1: if you'll have me pop up.

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Speaker 2: We did a whole podcast. How long is that right?

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Speaker 2: I went already, Mass you gotta go on my guys

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Speaker 2: show too, Man Flagrant with sho Okay, oh the Shultz.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you was supposed to do it, but I think

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Speaker 4: you had to reschedule.

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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, okay, I think I'm seeing him soon.

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Speaker 1: Be vake that, I say, right, vi veke the vac.

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Speaker 3: All right, Ram Swam, and we appreciate you for joining

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Speaker 3: us again. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: Good to see man wake that ass up in the morning.

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Speaker 2: Breakfast Club