1 00:00:01,920 --> 00:00:06,800 Speaker 1: Welcome to brain Stuff production of iHeart Radio, Hey brain 2 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 1: Stuff Lauren vog obam here. Over the past two weeks, 3 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 1: enormous crowds of protesters in the United States have met with, 4 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 1: in some cases, ominous clouds of tear gas. But the 5 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:21,079 Speaker 1: use of tear gas to disperse protesters and cities in 6 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:23,960 Speaker 1: the United States and around the world could have unintended 7 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:26,760 Speaker 1: consequences when it comes to the spread of the coronavirus. 8 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 1: The large crowds that have gathered to demonstrate for racial 9 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 1: justice and against police brutality in the weeks after the 10 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 1: death of George Floyd in Minneapolis in late May, we're 11 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:40,559 Speaker 1: already worrisome to public health officials. Although many demonstrators have 12 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:43,839 Speaker 1: worn masks, many crowds have grown much too large to 13 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:48,200 Speaker 1: maintain social distance and guidelines. Also, the protests have typically 14 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:51,920 Speaker 1: involved crowds of people shouting and chanting, activities that could 15 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 1: potentially send infected droplets far and wide, and that involved 16 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 1: the kind of deep, open mouthed breathing that has been 17 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 1: observed to increase the risk of catching the virus. We 18 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 1: spoke with Ambushment Key, PhD, an assistant professor of microbiology 19 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:10,039 Speaker 1: in the Department of Biomedical Sciences at Mercer University's School 20 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 1: of Medicine in Making, Georgia. She explained, tear gas components 21 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 1: are mainly there to hit the pain receptors in your 22 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:19,400 Speaker 1: body to get you to move. It's like you're poked 23 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:21,320 Speaker 1: with a stick. You want to get away from the pain. 24 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:25,960 Speaker 1: The other thing tear gas does is trigger your parasympathetic response, 25 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 1: a neurologic series of activities that are outside of your control. 26 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:32,680 Speaker 1: But because there's a chemical irritant in place, your body 27 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 1: is going to do everything it can to flush it out. 28 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 1: A person will feel the symptoms of the chemicals most 29 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 1: commonly used in tear gas, CSCN and CR within twenty 30 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 1: to thirty seconds after being exposed. Schmicky said, it's going 31 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 1: to increase mucus production along the sites where you've had exposure, 32 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 1: and that's mainly your respiratory mucos alignings in your nose. 33 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 1: That means you'll have a runny nose. You're going to 34 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 1: have mucas production in the lungs along the track ya 35 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 1: your windpipe. You're going to want to cough that out. 36 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 1: You're also going to want to salivate more than you 37 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:08,399 Speaker 1: ordinarily would you're going to produce more tears. How much 38 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 1: a person is affected depends on many variables, such as 39 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 1: whether there's a breeze or how close they are to 40 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:17,120 Speaker 1: the agent. A person's eyes will sting, they may sneeze 41 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:21,520 Speaker 1: or rich Schmickey said, But the most dangerous thing is 42 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 1: the coughing that will happen in response to the tear gas. 43 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:27,360 Speaker 1: It's a deep cough because you're trying so hard to 44 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 1: get this out of your body, and it has the 45 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 1: potential to spread vible particles rather far. It's your body's 46 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 1: natural response to get rid of a chemical irritant. But 47 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 1: it's the same mechanism that we're concerned about with virus spread. 48 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:41,800 Speaker 1: It's the perfect storm of things you don't want to 49 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:46,240 Speaker 1: happen in a pandemic. And of course she's not the 50 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:51,360 Speaker 1: only concerned party. During a June four House Appropriations hearing 51 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:55,360 Speaker 1: on the Coronavirus Response Centers for Disease Controlled Director doctor 52 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:58,640 Speaker 1: Robert Redfield also specifically called out that the use of 53 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:03,240 Speaker 1: tear gas by police might help the virus spread. We 54 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 1: also spoke with Forest Brown, a resident of Atlanta who 55 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:09,360 Speaker 1: lives downtown just two blocks from the CNN building and 56 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:13,080 Speaker 1: Centennial Olympic Park. The entire area has been the site 57 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 1: of many Atlanta protests past and present. The first weekend 58 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 1: of the current demonstrations, he stood outside his building with 59 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 1: neighbors with an eye on protecting their property when he 60 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 1: got a whiff of a pungent odor tear gas. Brown said, 61 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 1: we could smell it and it stung our eyes. We 62 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 1: would go inside waited out, but it wasn't a strong hit. 63 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 1: You could feel it, but then it dissipated. That was Saturday. 64 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 1: Sunday night was a different story. Brown said, I was 65 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 1: actually in the interior courtyard of our building. I didn't 66 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 1: see the cloud, but it was a bad dose. Compared 67 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 1: to Saturday night, my symptoms were much worse, stinging and 68 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 1: watering eyes. It also made my lips feel like they 69 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 1: were tingling and burning. I felt like I wanted to 70 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 1: throw up. It made me feel very weak, almost jittery, 71 00:03:59,880 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 1: like I might pass out. Brown says the worst of 72 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 1: it was over in about thirty minutes, though he felt 73 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 1: nauseated for several hours and even had blurred vision on Monday, 74 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 1: though he was wearing a mask following standard protocols and 75 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 1: a full block away from where the tear gas was 76 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:19,919 Speaker 1: actually released, he was exposed to it. Schmid Key is 77 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 1: concerned with the use of tear gas demonstrations during the pandemic, 78 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 1: not only because it potentially increases the spread of the coronavirus, 79 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:29,279 Speaker 1: but also because the same people who are at risk 80 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 1: for COVID nineteen infection people with underlying conditions, are also 81 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 1: at risk for side effects from tear gas exposure. Schmidkey said, 82 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 1: COVID nineteen sort of blurs the lines between being a 83 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 1: respiratory disease and a cardiovascular disease. The similarities aren't uniform, 84 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:46,919 Speaker 1: but if you have asthma, you're going to be at 85 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:50,279 Speaker 1: higher risk of complications from something like a tear gas exposure. 86 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:54,279 Speaker 1: People who have chronic obstructive pulmonary disease or any of 87 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:58,839 Speaker 1: those sorts of ailments could have more severe outcomes. She 88 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:02,160 Speaker 1: concedes that it's a difficult situation because a person can 89 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 1: make plans to participate in a peaceful protest and find 90 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:08,479 Speaker 1: themselves in a situation that they aren't prepared for. She 91 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:11,799 Speaker 1: encourages all protesters, whether they were exposed to tear gas 92 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 1: or not, to make plans to be tested for COVID nineteen. However, 93 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:19,719 Speaker 1: don't get tested immediately. When the virus gets into the body, 94 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 1: it goes into what's called the eclipse period, hiding out 95 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 1: in the cells while it makes copies of itself. Then 96 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:28,600 Speaker 1: it starts to leave the cells and spread to other cells, 97 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 1: and that's when it becomes detectable. Schmickey suggests that everyone 98 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:35,480 Speaker 1: who has been at a protest rally get tested between 99 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:38,919 Speaker 1: three and seven days after participating, even if they're not 100 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 1: showing symptoms, because of the high rate of asymptomatic carriers. 101 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:46,839 Speaker 1: CDC Director Redfield issued the same advice at the June 102 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 1: fourth Sended Appropriations hearing, saying, I do think there's a potential, unfortunately, 103 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 1: for this to be a seating event. Schmickey said, protesters 104 00:05:56,920 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 1: do have some things going for them. They're outside, they 105 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 1: have the benefit of ventilation, they have sunlight. We know 106 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 1: that evy light is an't advantageous for the virus. Protesters 107 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:09,360 Speaker 1: are typically young, but I wouldn't count on those things 108 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:13,159 Speaker 1: being some sort of anti COVID security blanket if you 109 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 1: do come into contact with tear gas. Amnesty International says 110 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 1: that gas masks are the best protection if they're properly 111 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 1: fitted and sealed, though if you don't have one, they 112 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 1: recommend wearing goggles and a respirator or a wet bandana 113 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 1: over the nose and mouth. If you're exposed, try to 114 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 1: stay calm and breathe slowly, blow your nose, rinse your 115 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 1: mouth with water, cough and spit. Try not to swallow, 116 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:42,480 Speaker 1: because you want to get those irritants out. Today's episode 117 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 1: was written by Patty Resmusen and produced by Tyler Playing. 118 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:47,039 Speaker 1: For more in this and lots of other topics, visit 119 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 1: how stuff works dot com. Brain Stuff is production of 120 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 1: iHeart Radio. For more podcasts in my heart Radio, visit 121 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 1: the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen 122 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:55,719 Speaker 1: to your favorite shows,