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Speaker 2: Jim to date. Frasier is gonna join us in just

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Speaker 2: a second to talk NBA Draft.

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Speaker 3: He has a podcast, one Shining podcast on the Ringer Network.

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Speaker 3: I like that, Dad, But before we get to that,

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Speaker 3: I've been meaning to do this since John Bones Jones

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Speaker 2: That's not that's exciting. This is peaks right now. It

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Speaker 4: That can hop in?

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Speaker 2: All right?

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Speaker 3: Oh, you can hop in. You have your own athletes

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Speaker 2: You've been thinking. You've been waiting for this topic your

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Speaker 4: Huh, my whole life, my whole life. Do whatever you

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Speaker 2: All right?

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Speaker 3: New York Sacrum Exchange, Bilangee Simms, number five, metacarpal World Peace.

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Speaker 4: That was not terrible.

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Speaker 3: Number four, David Sternham.

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Speaker 5: It's not an athlete.

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Speaker 3: Oh someone at sports number three, Frank Femur Femur ball,

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Speaker 2: Oh wow, Caucus. That was a good one, boy, Vince Gully.

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Speaker 5: That you've been waiting since you heard the news, But

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Speaker 5: now three seconds later you have better ones.

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Speaker 2: I do Yeah? Okay?

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Speaker 6: Uh?

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Speaker 2: Date who won the NBA Draft last night? I love it.

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Speaker 7: I think the right answer might be David Sternham, but

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Speaker 7: you know, I'll say that one for later. I do

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Speaker 7: think there are a lot of people out there that

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Speaker 7: are trying to figure out who won the NBA Draft.

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Speaker 7: I think there's a simple answer. The team that got

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Speaker 7: Cooper Flagg the Dallas Mavericks. After the draft, Nico Harrison

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Speaker 7: obviously he got his you know, respawn with this whole franchise,

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Speaker 7: he should be out, but he got Cooper Flag and

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Speaker 7: he got to say after he got Cooper Flagg that

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Speaker 7: fortune favors the brave, one of the craziest quotes I've

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Speaker 7: ever heard after doing some of the craziest things I've

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Speaker 7: ever seen a GM do. So in a way, the

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Speaker 7: Mavericks won, but in another way, I can't believe this

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Speaker 7: is where we sit right now. But yes, they got

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Speaker 7: Cooper Flag, and I think Cooper Flagg is going to

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Speaker 7: be a five tool really good player.

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Speaker 3: How good of a player, like, like, give me a

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Speaker 3: comp on Cooper Flagg, who would you compare him to?

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Speaker 7: Well, I think that, you know, I heard Scalabrini kind

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Speaker 7: of did the worst thing you could ever do, which

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Speaker 4: Zion was Lebron, Ben Simmons was Lebron.

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Speaker 7: I think Anthony Bennett even might have been Lebron at one,

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Speaker 7: so we've had a lot of guys who have been lebron.

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Speaker 7: But I do think that Cooper Flag, by all accounts,

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Speaker 4: I heard an assistant coach today this and I thought

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Speaker 7: They said, it's Anthony Davis if he had an Alpha mentality.

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Speaker 7: And I think that's a very good way to put

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Speaker 7: Cooper Flag. He wants to be the guy. He likes

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Speaker 7: the pressure, he likes to be in those situations. Now,

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Speaker 7: was in some pressure pack situations and did miss some shots,

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Speaker 7: family upbringing. He's gonna be a storyline in the NBA,

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Speaker 7: So we're gonna learn a lot about this kid.

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Speaker 4: He is a star in his own right.

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Speaker 7: But again I think that he's more Scottie Pippen and

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Speaker 7: pas that come with that. But again, he is a

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Speaker 4: He's very young, He's getting better and better.

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Speaker 7: He went home at Christmas break, he came back better

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Speaker 7: forty four percent from three in acc play. A lot

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Speaker 7: of people forget this. So I just think he's a

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Speaker 7: and you know, the sky is the limit, you know.

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Speaker 7: And I roll my eyes as I say that, But

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Speaker 7: Cooper flag is going to be a really good player.

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Speaker 3: If there's a player that's going to be better than

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Speaker 3: Cooper Flagg that was drafted last night, who do you

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Speaker 3: think that player is going to in?

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Speaker 7: I like that question. Ace Bailey is probably the right

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Speaker 7: answer for that. And Ace Bailey obviously had a very

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Speaker 7: interesting draft. He had a former AAU coach who is

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Speaker 7: few years ago, or former five star kid, but Omar

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Speaker 7: Cooper his dad was his agent. Omar said, we're not

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Speaker 7: taking any meetings, We're not taking any workouts. We are

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Speaker 7: basically saying we are who we are, We're the best,

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Speaker 7: get to talk to the kid. Afterwards. They asked Ace Bailey,

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Speaker 7: He's like, I'm happy, I'm with the Jazz.

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Speaker 4: This is my team.

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Speaker 7: He was already calling him my team. So I think

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Speaker 7: it's gonna be a good situation. He has kind of

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Speaker 4: A twelve year old right now. Ace Bailey, he's a

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Speaker 7: Like it feels like if you have a long runway,

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Speaker 7: you can see the full version of who he's gonna be.

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Speaker 7: And yes, he's not six foot ten, but he plays

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Speaker 7: it's unbelievable some of the shots he hit.

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Speaker 4: Now there is a question as to why.

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Speaker 7: He's taking these shots, which is maybe another conversation.

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Speaker 4: But he's a very talented player and he's very fun

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Speaker 2: Tate.

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Speaker 8: I'm work shopping a game here called more surprising Rutgers

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Speaker 8: having two top five picks or Rutgers having two top

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Speaker 7: That Well, it's one of those things where when you

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Speaker 7: let the two players, the two kind of take all

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Speaker 7: the money from everybody else, you kind of see what

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Speaker 7: it looks like. That was a one percent roster, right,

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Speaker 7: That is what it looks like when the one percent

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Speaker 4: These guys are making I.

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Speaker 7: Mean, you can hear from two million up to six million.

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Speaker 7: I think it's probably somewhere in between. But regardless, him

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Speaker 7: and Dylan Harper, they're making all the money for this team.

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Speaker 4: They have no help around them.

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Speaker 7: At some point during the year, they kind of looked

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Speaker 7: at each other and they're like, Hey, it's all right,

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Speaker 7: you know, we're gonna be fine. This is not gonna

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Speaker 7: be good for Steve Piico and the rest of the

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Speaker 7: Rutgers guys, but we're gonna be all right. And they

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Speaker 7: did have some great moments. They did have some great games.

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Speaker 7: Ace Bailey's best games happened on the road. That's encouraging,

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Speaker 7: you know, as far as like the college atmospheres and

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Speaker 7: him being able to handle that. So, to answer your question,

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Speaker 7: Rutgers basketball basically sold their soul for two top five picks.

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Speaker 7: They got nothing in return as far as their own

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Speaker 7: program boost. But again, it sounded good last night when

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Speaker 7: we said, hey, Dylan Harper, Rutgers University, Ace Bailey, Rutgers University,

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Speaker 7: it sounded nice.

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Speaker 5: What'd you make of the heats pick last night? Because

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Speaker 5: it's kind of been rated all over the place. I've

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Speaker 5: seen Yahoo had it at a D plus and I

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Speaker 5: had other people say they were winners because you know,

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Speaker 5: it was slipping from like a thirteenth ranked, eleventh ranked

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Speaker 5: player down to twenty. What did you make in that plus?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? D plus.

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Speaker 4: I'll tell you.

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Speaker 7: I'll tell you this just to start. Draft grades are

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Speaker 7: awesome and they're hilarious, and who like, who knows, who cares?

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Speaker 7: I mean, we should probably wait five years before we

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Speaker 7: do draft grades if we're all trying to be.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's grading after you take nobody. Yeah, you

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Speaker 2: have to give him a grade before you take the test.

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Speaker 3: That's how Yeah exactly, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: You're right.

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Speaker 4: I need to instantly, no moment later.

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Speaker 5: Is this a giant bust or not. I don't have

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Speaker 5: time to wait for careers to play out. You think,

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Speaker 5: taate cheez.

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Speaker 4: You're right. Yeah, I don't need the tape. Just give

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Speaker 4: me the answers.

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Speaker 7: I do think that casper Is Yakuchonas was going to

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Speaker 7: be a top ten pick, right. I thought he was

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Speaker 7: going to be a lottery pick. So for him to

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Speaker 7: get and be there at twenty is a very fascinating thing.

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Speaker 7: One note on kJ who's going to the heat. He

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Speaker 7: had a great start to the year, like he was

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Speaker 7: performances he had. I remember at Oregon, Illinois had a

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Speaker 7: ridiculous game. He's like throwing passes between his legs, like

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Speaker 7: I mean, it looked like a guy playing in a

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Speaker 7: different time. And then he kind of got some top

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Speaker 7: five buzz. There were some people in his circle that

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Speaker 7: told him he was getting top five buzz, and he

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Speaker 7: got a little bit scared. He got like a little

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Speaker 7: bit timid, I could see that it kind of whirled him.

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Speaker 4: A little bit, where when you had the pressure of it.

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Speaker 7: All, kind of it kind of got in his head.

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Speaker 7: So I liked him falling to twenty. I think going

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Speaker 7: to Miami is a great spot. Think about if you

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Speaker 7: drafted Goren Drogic, you know what I mean at number twenty,

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Speaker 7: A young Drogic, you know what I mean? Like that's

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Speaker 7: the Yakuchonis has that kind of creativity and that kind

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Speaker 4: I thought, like I said, he's a lottery pick. So

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Speaker 4: to get him at twenty as a win for Miami.

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Speaker 3: I feel like we need more to a D plus,

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Speaker 5: Plus to like ten seed, to like eight seed.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go B minus.

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Speaker 3: Wow be minus minus wow minus hey wow. All right,

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Speaker 3: I'll get back to us far years from that.

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Speaker 5: I just like that we bullied Tate into a draft grade.

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Speaker 2: Yes, uh Tate.

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Speaker 3: I feel watching the draft last night, like we need

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Speaker 3: more Kentucky's, more Carolina's, more Kansas, more kids from Indiana.

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Speaker 2: What is going on with all these French kids? I mean, seriously,

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Speaker 2: I'm tired of them. What I mean, wait a minute,

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Speaker 2: but what happened there?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I don't know what's going on.

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Speaker 7: I did like that we had the first eight picks

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Speaker 7: were in college basketball. So that was good, right that

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Speaker 7: we had, you know, the first eight guys were all

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Speaker 4: That was a nice turn.

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Speaker 7: So we got back at the French after last year.

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Speaker 7: Last year was ridiculous with Reesa che Salon. It was like,

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Speaker 7: how many guys do I have to learn how to

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Speaker 4: Like this year at least it was like Baron Jay,

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Speaker 4: like treyre Right, Like I can learn about them a

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Speaker 4: little bit later. So that was nice. Carolina.

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Speaker 7: The issue with Carolina is that, you know, they seem

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Speaker 7: we get our one five star that everyone's like, he's

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Speaker 7: Harrison Barnes Marvin Williams, like you forget their name, but

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Speaker 7: they're a really quality starter in the NBA guy down

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Speaker 7: pad unfortunately right now. So hopefully Carolina can turn a

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Speaker 7: leaf and find some guys. Kansas is gonna be all right.

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Speaker 7: They got Adidas, you know, funneling kids their way. Darren Peterson,

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Speaker 7: who's gonna be a Kansas next year, will probably end

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Speaker 7: up being a number one pick. Potentially, He's got some

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Speaker 7: derreck rose in his games from John Wall and his game.

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Speaker 4: So they're gonna be all right.

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Speaker 7: Kentucky and Cali Perry, I think was a big storyline

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Speaker 7: both these schools and people needed each other. Like Cali

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Speaker 7: Perry no first round pick for the first time since

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Speaker 7: two thousand and seven, and then I think Kentucky the

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Speaker 7: first time says two thousand and nine. So they break up,

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Speaker 7: they divorce, and everybody's unhappy. So Kentucky fans and Arkansas

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Speaker 7: fans both upset right now. And Cali Perry, I don't

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Speaker 7: know if the magic is over or what, but that

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Speaker 7: was very concerning last night to see him not get

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Speaker 7: a first round pick.

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Speaker 3: Billy's making a face, he's shaking, he's had I have

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Speaker 3: to follow this whenever it happens.

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Speaker 2: I need to follow the face. Know what happened. I

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Speaker 2: just I'm still trying to tie to the French. I

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Speaker 2: mean the names. I'll know.

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Speaker 5: I'm trying to digest the take of the too many

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Speaker 5: French people were signed. We need Americans.

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Speaker 2: I mean, what happens to a.

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Speaker 3: Kid shooting in the backyard and a peach basket in Indiana?

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Speaker 2: I mean, seriously.

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Speaker 5: So this is our official announcement. Retired signed with O

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Speaker 2: I'm told we have sound Billy. Are you aware of this?

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Speaker 2: Colin Cowhard got drafted.

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Speaker 8: And unfortunate or from Malika Andrews. But this is the

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Speaker 5: So the Portland Trailblazers select Colin Coward.

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Speaker 2: Here draft grade for the Herd.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm gonna go be you know what I mean?

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Speaker 3: Was wrong?

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Speaker 2: Right? Yeah? Spanning the globe?

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Speaker 5: Just an America though?

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Speaker 2: Is there too far?

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Speaker 3: Is there a guy take my NBA that a lot

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Speaker 3: of guys are high.

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Speaker 2: On that you think, eh, I don't think he's going

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Speaker 7: Well, I mean this is one of those international guys

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Speaker 4: We love the potential. Noah A Singay, the Chicago Bulls

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Speaker 4: seemingly always have something right in front of them that's like,

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Speaker 4: oh man, this could be a fun pick for the Bulls.

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Speaker 4: You got Derek Queen still on the board. You know,

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Speaker 4: you have a situation where you can bring a guy

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Speaker 4: and he would be a lot of fun. He'd be creative.

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Speaker 4: We already know him.

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Speaker 7: He had the one moment of madness during March Madness

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Speaker 7: with that buzzer beater that he hit.

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Speaker 4: So we all know Derek Queen one of the Chicago Bulls.

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Speaker 7: Do they say, yeah, let's take Noah a Singay that

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Speaker 7: and we're going to bring him over to Chicago and

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Speaker 7: we're gonna say, oh yeah, this is our power forward

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Speaker 7: to the future.

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Speaker 4: He's got so much upside. I don't like to pick

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Speaker 7: I understand why a lot of people like Noah Singay

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Speaker 4: But again, I think sometimes.

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Speaker 7: With these guys, especially the international guys, we live in

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Speaker 7: best case scenarios, and then the domestic guys we live

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Speaker 7: in worst case scenarios. We almost hurt ourselves with the

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Speaker 7: way that we evaluate some of these guys and with

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Speaker 7: the singe. I don't see it Stugats, you know, and

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Speaker 7: maybe I haven't seen enough, but I don't like him

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Speaker 7: at number twelve for the Bulls.

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Speaker 2: Do you feel like the NBA Draft really needs two nights?

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Speaker 4: No? I think they did this obviously. This was solid

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Speaker 4: Ronnie propaganda move.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Mark Tatum doesn't need his own night. He doesn't

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Speaker 4: want it.

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Speaker 2: The draft used to mean something.

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Speaker 3: Man, it feels like, I don't know it, just it

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Speaker 3: doesn't feel like what it used to feel like to me.

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Speaker 5: You used to feel like wat through how the draft

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Speaker 5: used to feel.

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Speaker 3: You would have kids stay in college for three years,

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Speaker 3: and in one year, Elijah One would come out, Rexler

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Speaker 3: would come out, Jordan would come out, Sam Bowie would

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Speaker 3: come out, and there was so much build up because

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Speaker 3: you watch them play for three years.

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Speaker 2: And that has taking some of the steam off the

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Speaker 2: NBA draft, Tay, Do you agree with that?

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Speaker 4: I do at some level.

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Speaker 7: But then there are guys that are playing college basketball

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Speaker 7: staying for the NIL right and we're watching them play

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Speaker 7: and they're doing incredible stuff, and then they're working their

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Speaker 7: way into that back into.

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Speaker 4: The first round.

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Speaker 7: It feels like for guys that stay in college, your

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Speaker 7: ceiling is around let's say the Cam Johnson ceiling around eleven.

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Speaker 7: That's the highest you could ever go, is number eleven.

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Speaker 7: That's the number one. For guys that stay in college,

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Speaker 7: now it's not number one, it's number eleven. So that's

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Speaker 7: the best that they can do. So you're trying to

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Speaker 7: fight back in to be the number eleven pick. Cam

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Speaker 7: Johnson was the best case scenario. So like, all these

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Speaker 7: do have a lot of guys we fall in love with.

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Speaker 7: Walter Clayton Junior is a great example, goes number eighteen.

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Speaker 7: That's like going number seven. That's like Kobe White, you know,

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Speaker 7: status there for him. So again it's like that's the

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Speaker 7: second ten of the draft is like the first ten

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Speaker 7: for college guys.

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Speaker 5: Tate was not alive for the era of basketball NBA

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Speaker 2: He's a student of the game. Man, he knows what

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Speaker 2: I'm talking to.

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Speaker 5: Have that feeling where he was walking around is like,

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Speaker 5: oh man, I can't wait to see this draft tonight.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but I felt it.

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Speaker 5: You did you in the womb you know the drafts

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Speaker 5: of the age in the picture.

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Speaker 4: I felt it right.

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Speaker 3: I mean, Ewing is there for three years and getting

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Speaker 3: drafted number one overall, and now if you stay, you

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Speaker 3: get penalized. To his point, get penalized. You can't go

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Speaker 3: any higher than eleven. I mean, yeah, why are you

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Speaker 2: Look? Again?

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Speaker 5: Taking it in?

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Speaker 2: Are the Knicks ever going to hire a head coach?

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Speaker 4: Even better question? I think the Knicks kind of played

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Speaker 4: their hand here. Yeah you really?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 4: Do you should do this for a living man?

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Speaker 2: I crushing it.

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Speaker 4: I will say this.

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Speaker 2: He doesn't respect it.

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Speaker 5: It's unbelievable looking at Wade Phillips coaches.

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Speaker 2: Now go ahead, Sorry.

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Speaker 4: No, I uh, TIBs.

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Speaker 2: That hurt my heart.

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Speaker 7: I mean, I'm such a TIBs guy. I think everybody

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Speaker 4: Know kind of understands who Tibbs is, knows that you

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Speaker 7: Fiance and told her I'm gonna have to break up

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Speaker 7: This is what he did as a twenty three year

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Speaker 7: old man. So this is who Tom Thibbodeau is. This

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Speaker 7: is who he you know, aspired to be, which was

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Speaker 7: like the way that they did this. It felt like

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Speaker 7: a weird kind of back channeling. Then to go to

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Speaker 7: every other team and say, hey, can we have your coach?

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Speaker 7: I thought that this was a big ploy to get

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Speaker 4: That's what I had sort of heard kind of through

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Speaker 7: Sean Sweeney, who ended up going to the Spurs. They're

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Speaker 7: And you know it was gonna be some sort of

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Speaker 7: was a grand plan for the Knicks to be, Like,

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Speaker 7: what's the next step of this iteration of this group?

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Speaker 4: That's what I thought the step was. It does not

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Speaker 4: And it does feel like what Johnny Bryant I think

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Speaker 7: But yeah, it's a very fascinating thing. I thought they

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Speaker 5: It feels like the Knick's grand plan was built around

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Speaker 5: this is all gonna work out, but they didn't do

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, right, front end tampering.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Jason Kidd needed to get tampered with in January.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was the thing. Why would Jason Kid want

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Speaker 4: A team now, mm hmm exactly. That's a fair I mean,

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Speaker 4: that's what I mean. Like, right when Luca got traded, that's.

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Speaker 7: When if you're Leon Rose or you know Worldwide West,

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Speaker 7: your guy and traded him out of town. Want to

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Speaker 7: come to New York and to be the head coach

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Speaker 7: of the Knicks. And I think Jason Kidd would have

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Speaker 7: been all in. But now behind the eight ball and

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Speaker 7: now they can say they tried to hire all these

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Speaker 7: other guys, and you know they can go with who

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Speaker 7: they go with, which I think is Coach Bryant.

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Speaker 2: What'd you make of Kevin Durant to the Rockets.

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Speaker 4: I think Kevin Durant got what he wanted.

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Speaker 7: This might be the last time that we see someone

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Speaker 7: be able to dictate where they go, right, Like, this

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Speaker 7: is the last group of guys that kind of have

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Speaker 7: that level of Cashe as superstart him like he should

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Speaker 7: have no leverage. There's no way that Kevin Durant should

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Speaker 7: have been able to tell the Suns where they're going

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Speaker 7: to trade him. But he had three teams come and say, hey,

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Speaker 7: we want Kevin Durant. The Warriors came. He said, I

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Speaker 7: don't want to go there, and you know you can

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Speaker 7: figure out why the reasons are. Minnesota comes and they

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Speaker 7: say we got a great offer for you. He says,

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Speaker 7: I don't want to go there. Anthony Edwards says, hey,

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Speaker 7: I don't want to talk to him. I don't want

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Speaker 7: to try to convince him if he doesn't want to come.

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Speaker 7: He doesn't want to come. He wants to go to Houston.

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Speaker 7: He's got Royal Ivy, one of his great friends. He's

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Speaker 7: got Emi Udoka, who's probably one of the few coaches

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Speaker 7: that will actually really buy in with the Kevin Durant experience.

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Speaker 7: So I think it's perfect. They needed someone at the

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Speaker 7: end of the shot clock to get a shot off.

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Speaker 7: What can Kevin Durant do better than anybody get a

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Speaker 7: shot off? And the Houston Rockets have all the pieces

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Speaker 7: around him and Jabari Smith to learn from him.

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Speaker 4: It's a great fit.

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Speaker 7: But we've seen Kevin duran go to good situations and

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Speaker 7: it go arry before, so we'll see what happens.

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Speaker 3: I know you're a big Carolina guy. You hos to

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Speaker 3: Carolina podcast. I said earlier today that Caroline is going

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Speaker 3: to win the national championship in football?

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Speaker 2: Am I crazy?

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Speaker 7: No, you're just drinking the kool aid, the Carolina Blue

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Speaker 7: kol Aid, which I appreciate. And look, all we needed

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Speaker 7: was a head coach, right. There was always talent. We've

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Speaker 7: always had talent.

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Speaker 2: MATC.

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Speaker 7: Brown's just like you guys want some cookies, you guys

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Speaker 7: want a piece of cake, you guys want to take

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Speaker 7: a nap. These are the things that we were doing

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Speaker 7: during practice. And I don't blame him. That sounds like

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Speaker 7: a nice life. But Bill Belichick's like, let's get in there,

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Speaker 7: let's grind some tape. Bill Belichick's out on the practice field,

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Speaker 7: shot to my guy, Michael Lombardi, trying to piece together

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Speaker 7: the roster. I think we got a quarterback Geo Lopez

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Speaker 7: fingers crossed, and you know you just got to go

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Speaker 7: out there, one of those du gotts. We're only worried

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Speaker 7: about TCU. We can't worry about any other team right now,

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Speaker 7: just TCU.

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Speaker 2: Want to know the team in front of you.

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Speaker 3: You're right, Yeah, I think Belgians worried about the NFL,

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Speaker 3: to be quite honest with Yeah, but after he should be.

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Speaker 2: Uh, Taylor felt the need to list your friends here.

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Speaker 3: Uh, anyone else you want to add to the list,

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Speaker 3: because Michael Lombardi was on it and Charlie you Yeah.

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Speaker 7: Yes, two legends, two great guys. Charlie Hume, Uh, you

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Speaker 7: know my brother's roommate in college. Funny enough, small world,

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Speaker 7: shout out to Charlie. Charlie is still in the Triangle,

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Speaker 7: living the dream, playing a lot of golf, you know

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Speaker 7: what I mean. Charlie's the the Golden Retriever come to life,

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Speaker 7: you know what I mean, Like he is just you

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Speaker 7: get Charlie going, you throw in the tennis ball, You're

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Speaker 7: gonna have a fun time.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you were describing what kind of dog is Michael Lombardi?

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Speaker 4: Yes, Oh, that's a great question. Is Michael Lombardi?

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Speaker 2: Yes, he does have a little.

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Speaker 4: In him, a little ship too.

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Speaker 6: And him about Belichick, Yeah, Belichick kind of dog Belichick, Oh,

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Speaker 6: Belichick Belichick, rott Weiler, what kind of you know, kind

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Speaker 6: of dogs?

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Speaker 5: Jordan Hudson.

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Speaker 4: Oh Man, Yeah, Pomeranian, That's what I was thinking to.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and the dog is Jordan's Michael Jordan.

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Speaker 4: Oh, Michael Jordan.

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Speaker 2: He's a goat. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I don't even think he is. He's beyond. He's a wolf.

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Speaker 4: He's a wolf. He's a o G.

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Speaker 2: How about Cooper?

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Speaker 4: M M Cooper flag.

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Speaker 2: I wish yellow lab, yellow lab for Cooper. Yellow labs

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Speaker 2: are nice. I don't like that. I don't want my

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Speaker 2: I don't want the first overall pick to be nice.

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Speaker 7: I think he's a yellow lab that has a little

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Speaker 7: bit of something else in him, you know what I mean? Like,

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Speaker 7: you're like, what the fuck, Like he might bite you

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Speaker 7: or something. You know, You're like you didn't expect that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're lying when you agree with me that Caroline

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Speaker 3: is gonna win a National champions.

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Speaker 2: You're being a Homers what you're doing?

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Speaker 4: Of course, yes, of course.

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Speaker 1: No.

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Speaker 4: All that needs to gods is nine wins. If you

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Speaker 4: give me nine wins, I'm happy.

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Speaker 3: If you give me nine wins, Belichick will be in

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Speaker 3: the NFL next year. Okay, you got to lower your expectation.

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Speaker 3: If you want Bill to stay, you got to start

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Speaker 3: with like a four win season.

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. No, what, Yeah, they're not

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Speaker 2: gonna fireli check.

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Speaker 5: Wait, hold on a second. You think Bill Belichick's gonna

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Speaker 5: I think if Beller wins season, it's like I need

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Speaker 5: to stay to improve. That's crazy.

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Speaker 3: No, I think if Belichick has a nine or ten

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Speaker 3: wins season with that Carolina roster in his first year

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Speaker 3: as a college coach, that I think Belichick moves on

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Speaker 3: to the NFL.

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Speaker 8: If Bill Belichick is in the NFL next season, that

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Speaker 8: means Carolina had an unbelievable season. And I think every

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Speaker 8: Carolina fan signs up right right, Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: We're in.

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Speaker 7: We're you talk about one and done like this is

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Speaker 7: the ultimate one and done, Like I'm over like getting

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Speaker 7: these players from high school and giving them the one

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Speaker 7: and done chance, Like, let's go get the greatest coach

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Speaker 7: of all time, give him the keys.

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Speaker 4: For one year, and let's see what happens.

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Speaker 2: Right, Billy doesn't follow this, No, I follow this.

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Speaker 5: But if Bill Belichick is a four winds season, he's

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Speaker 5: retiring from college. He's not coming back after a four

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Speaker 5: winds season.

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Speaker 3: Going out on a four winds season, and they're not

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Speaker 3: going to fire him after a four win season.

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Speaker 2: No one's ever talked this much Carolina football.

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Speaker 5: They're not paying Bill Belichick for a four wins season.

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Speaker 5: That's insane.

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Speaker 7: A four wins season, he's never give he wins four games,

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Speaker 7: he pulls a health I think he pulls a coach.

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Speaker 4: If it's a four one season, he says there's health

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Speaker 4: reasons he didn't have.

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Speaker 7: He wasn't one hundred percent committed. He'll be back next

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Speaker 7: year one hundred percent. I think that's the move, Billy.

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Speaker 4: I think you're right. If it's four wins, he's gotta

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Speaker 4: he's gotta have a caveat.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right.

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Speaker 3: One Shining podcast on The Ringer Network and the host

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Speaker 3: of Through the Ringer on FanDuel TV, Tate Frazer.

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Speaker 2: We appreciate the time, Sarah, Thank you very much.

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Speaker 4: Of course anytime.

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Speaker 7: And if you guys have any questions about anybody else,

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Speaker 7: you want to compare it to a dog.

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Speaker 4: You know I'm around and I'm ready to go.

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Speaker 2: So wait, Oh.

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Speaker 4: Man Border Collie, mac Brown.

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Speaker 2: Mack Brown gives it cookies.

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Speaker 4: Oh Mac Brown, Man, mac Brown's a golden doodle.

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Speaker 5: Golden, I have two of those.

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Speaker 2: Dean Smith, Oh, Dean Smith.

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Speaker 4: Just golden retriever, just the purest like auburn golden retriever

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Speaker 4: you've ever seen about.

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Speaker 2: Roy Williams, m oh Roy.

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Speaker 4: Williams Chocolate Lab.

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Speaker 2: Chocolate gets interesting.

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Speaker 3: Thank you again, Date, We appreciate it. I wish we

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Speaker 3: did nothing but dog talk the entire time.

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Speaker 4: Next time, I'm ready to go. Appreciate you fellas.

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Speaker 2: Okay, thank you buddy.

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Speaker 8: Thanks Date