WEBVTT - Skater Boy 0:00:00.920 --> 0:00:04.400 This is How Men Think with brooks Like and Gavin 0:00:04.480 --> 0:00:08.600 de grab and I heard radio podcast. Welcome to another 0:00:08.640 --> 0:00:11.000 episode of How Men Think. My name is brooks Like, 0:00:11.320 --> 0:00:14.480 and I am super excited about this show. The previous 0:00:14.560 --> 0:00:16.919 couple of shows that we've had, we've talked about the 0:00:17.079 --> 0:00:20.880 pursuit of excellence and the mastery of one one's craft 0:00:21.560 --> 0:00:25.119 and the lifelong achievement of a person dedicated to a 0:00:25.120 --> 0:00:28.280 certain things. So, um, we're gonna discover more of that 0:00:28.320 --> 0:00:31.200 in today's episode. So the pursuit of excellence, the pursuit 0:00:31.200 --> 0:00:34.479 of excellence, I love that, and honoring and mastering one's craft. 0:00:35.000 --> 0:00:39.600 And we have a real distinguished guest. Somebody that can 0:00:39.680 --> 0:00:43.000 speak to this may be better than anybody else because 0:00:43.000 --> 0:00:46.320 of their history. And I love saying this. I very 0:00:46.440 --> 0:00:50.159 rarely rarely say it, but we have a living legend 0:00:50.440 --> 0:00:55.360 on us. I say it, I only ever say it. 0:00:55.360 --> 0:00:58.800 I very reserved with my words with that. I think 0:00:58.920 --> 0:01:01.560 legend is a term thrown around too often, but in 0:01:01.600 --> 0:01:05.120 this case it's very true. He is the most recognized 0:01:05.200 --> 0:01:08.160 male figure skater star in the world. He's won over 0:01:08.280 --> 0:01:12.880 seventy titles, awards, honors, you name it. He's inducted into 0:01:12.920 --> 0:01:16.280 the United States Olympic Hall of Fame, and he is 0:01:16.319 --> 0:01:18.479 a member of the World Figure Skating Hall of Fame, 0:01:18.520 --> 0:01:25.800 and he is an Olympic Gold medalist. Welcome to Mr Scott. Hell, Wow, 0:01:25.800 --> 0:01:29.200 that was all so long ago. You know, it's just like, yeah, 0:01:30.520 --> 0:01:32.520 it's still part of you. It's still so much a 0:01:32.520 --> 0:01:34.800 part of you, and and all of that is still 0:01:34.840 --> 0:01:37.440 I believe that was only the first part of your life. 0:01:37.440 --> 0:01:39.319 That was the athletic part of your life. Your bio 0:01:39.400 --> 0:01:41.800 is school long Scott. I want to tell you it's 0:01:41.840 --> 0:01:46.959 awful because I'm old. No, it's not so much. Your 0:01:47.000 --> 0:01:51.640 athletic accomplishments were so incredible. But what's what's amazing about 0:01:51.680 --> 0:01:53.760 your story? And I followed your story for many many 0:01:53.840 --> 0:01:57.480 years since I've known life existence, God, I followed your story. Um, 0:01:57.600 --> 0:02:00.640 what's more incredible to me is actually your your resilience 0:02:00.680 --> 0:02:03.560 and the things that you've overcome in your personal life, 0:02:03.600 --> 0:02:07.639 the challenges that you've overcome in your life. Um, which 0:02:07.720 --> 0:02:11.920 I'm sure your your resilience that you developed through sport 0:02:12.000 --> 0:02:15.960 has helped you. Yeah, I mean on what you know. 0:02:16.000 --> 0:02:22.280 It's it's like everything in sports is based on failure. Basically, 0:02:22.600 --> 0:02:26.560 because when when you do anything, you know you're you're 0:02:26.560 --> 0:02:28.560 probably not gonna be very good at it. Right. So 0:02:28.919 --> 0:02:31.920 the idea is you're you're living with this like mountain 0:02:31.960 --> 0:02:34.799 of failure, and you slowly start chipping away at it. 0:02:35.080 --> 0:02:38.799 You know, so the same mistakes you made before, you're 0:02:38.880 --> 0:02:41.079 you're really gonna try to eliminate those, you don't make 0:02:41.120 --> 0:02:44.120 them again, right, And it's a learning process, you know. 0:02:44.680 --> 0:02:46.960 Big part of skating is you fall down to get up. 0:02:47.040 --> 0:02:49.120 You know. So I wrote a book called Finish First 0:02:50.080 --> 0:02:53.280 a few years ago, and it's basically, you know, I've 0:02:53.320 --> 0:02:59.560 fallen minimum, we figured six hundred times. Right. So the 0:02:59.560 --> 0:03:02.079 thing is is when you fall down forty one thousand, 0:03:02.160 --> 0:03:07.239 six hundred times, you get up forty one six hundred times. 0:03:07.280 --> 0:03:09.960 So the idea is it's like you once you get up, 0:03:10.280 --> 0:03:13.200 then then the failure takes out a different identity because 0:03:13.200 --> 0:03:15.080 you just you know, you're just gonna get up. You know, 0:03:15.240 --> 0:03:17.760 it's just okay, that didn't work, Gonna get up pretty soon. 0:03:17.800 --> 0:03:22.120 That jump that you fell on a thousand times, like 0:03:22.160 --> 0:03:23.720 you've gotten it to a point where you don't miss 0:03:23.760 --> 0:03:27.640 it anymore. You know, it's like my you know, nationals 0:03:27.760 --> 0:03:30.000 like first Nationals and the Novice Man's as a little 0:03:30.040 --> 0:03:35.960 boys level. It was Janet Lynn's last competition US you know, 0:03:36.160 --> 0:03:40.200 scating competition, and there was standing room only seventeen thousand, 0:03:40.200 --> 0:03:43.120 five hundred people in that building, and they had a 0:03:43.200 --> 0:03:47.720 little boys event as the event proceeding her company, so 0:03:47.800 --> 0:03:50.040 there was it was sold out standing r moment and 0:03:50.120 --> 0:03:53.520 I fell five times and I felt five times in 0:03:53.560 --> 0:03:58.600 the performance, which is a three minute performance, and um, like, 0:03:58.640 --> 0:04:00.440 how do you how do you have time to fall 0:04:00.480 --> 0:04:02.600 down five times in three minutes? It's like, you know, 0:04:02.640 --> 0:04:05.040 it's like that's how big a failure that was. So 0:04:05.120 --> 0:04:07.400 the next year and I came in dead last obviously, 0:04:07.400 --> 0:04:09.960 And next year I came back to Nationals, I only 0:04:09.960 --> 0:04:12.080 felt twice and I still came in nine. But there's 0:04:12.120 --> 0:04:14.640 ten guys there, so I beat one guy. And then 0:04:14.760 --> 0:04:18.040 the next year I go up to juniors and um, 0:04:18.080 --> 0:04:21.040 you know a little bit better just based on experience, 0:04:21.320 --> 0:04:25.160 and I beat two guys. I'm going fire right, So 0:04:25.400 --> 0:04:27.240 you know, it's it's like, you know, the whole idea 0:04:27.279 --> 0:04:31.360 of of of anything is the more you do it, 0:04:32.000 --> 0:04:33.919 and the more you do it with intention, it's like 0:04:34.320 --> 0:04:37.120 it's not just enough to show up. Showing up is great, 0:04:37.520 --> 0:04:39.400 and showing up is a big part of the equation, 0:04:39.400 --> 0:04:41.840 but you gotta show up with the attention that you're 0:04:41.839 --> 0:04:44.760 gonna be humble and hungry in the pursuit and you're 0:04:44.760 --> 0:04:48.360 gonna get better. Right, You're you're gonna find Okay, I 0:04:48.440 --> 0:04:50.680 did that, I keep doing that. I'm gonna figure out 0:04:50.680 --> 0:04:52.800 a way not to do that anymore. It was funny 0:04:52.839 --> 0:04:54.880 when when I talked about, you know, all those years 0:04:54.920 --> 0:04:58.000 I competed on the senior level and I was on television, 0:04:58.040 --> 0:05:01.680 Dick Button would always find something to say that wasn't complimentary. 0:05:02.160 --> 0:05:05.680 That's what I said. He would criticize me harshly, as 0:05:05.720 --> 0:05:08.400 I figured, well, I'm not gonna let him say that again. 0:05:09.240 --> 0:05:11.520 So I'd work on it. And it would be one 0:05:11.520 --> 0:05:13.840 of those things where I'd work on it, and i'd 0:05:13.839 --> 0:05:16.000 work on it, and i'd work on it, and so 0:05:16.080 --> 0:05:19.080 the next year you would criticize something else, and I go, Okay, 0:05:19.680 --> 0:05:21.680 you couldn't say that one thing again, So now I'm 0:05:21.720 --> 0:05:25.400 gonna work on that. So you start chipping away and 0:05:25.520 --> 0:05:27.559 stuff like. Even to this day, I tell my kids 0:05:27.680 --> 0:05:30.719 it's based out of that story. Is like the greatest 0:05:30.720 --> 0:05:34.200 strength is what, and I'll go here we go again. 0:05:34.680 --> 0:05:38.040 A lack of weakness, I go, right. So the greatest 0:05:38.080 --> 0:05:41.160 strength is a lack of weakness. Right, So you chip 0:05:41.200 --> 0:05:44.440 away at all those things that prevent you from being successful, 0:05:44.920 --> 0:05:48.160 and then pretty soon you know you're pretty substantial. Right. 0:05:48.240 --> 0:05:52.000 So I had to fail amountain of times, you know, 0:05:52.120 --> 0:05:55.240 and I had, I just and a lot of it 0:05:55.279 --> 0:05:58.000 was out of preparation. I just wasn't prepared and I 0:05:58.480 --> 0:06:01.520 didn't train in a a that when I stepped on 0:06:01.600 --> 0:06:04.240 the ice, I knew I was ready. I had way 0:06:04.279 --> 0:06:06.520 too many And this is my thought going into the 0:06:06.560 --> 0:06:09.159 eighty four Olympics, was when I stepped on the ice, 0:06:10.760 --> 0:06:13.839 I don't want to would have, could have or should 0:06:13.839 --> 0:06:15.840 have to be in my mind, I want to know 0:06:15.920 --> 0:06:18.920 that I've done every single thing I can to be 0:06:18.960 --> 0:06:22.000 prepared for this moment, and I'm gonna take whatever I get. 0:06:22.520 --> 0:06:24.880 And in a way, you know, it stops you from 0:06:24.880 --> 0:06:27.359 doing this right and it allows you to kind of 0:06:27.400 --> 0:06:29.839 like do that. And you know, if you could approach 0:06:29.920 --> 0:06:32.839 life with an open hand and not a clenched fist, 0:06:33.400 --> 0:06:35.960 you're probably gonna be okay, you know. But a lot 0:06:36.000 --> 0:06:41.640 of that is just preparation. And and and and working 0:06:41.640 --> 0:06:44.040 out your failures. And you know, people go out, Failure 0:06:44.120 --> 0:06:49.280 is is awful, Failure is painful. Failure is embarrassing. I go, Really, 0:06:50.000 --> 0:06:54.120 if you're in professional baseball and you only failed two 0:06:54.160 --> 0:06:57.880 out of three times, you're in the Hall of Fame, right, 0:06:58.320 --> 0:07:05.359 Come on. Failure is information only. Failure is feedback. And 0:07:05.400 --> 0:07:08.960 if if we're gonna look at failure as something to avoid, 0:07:09.800 --> 0:07:11.840 then we missed the point. You know, we want to 0:07:11.880 --> 0:07:13.960 we want to fail. We want to put ourselves in 0:07:14.000 --> 0:07:16.280 positions to fail so we can get stronger. And that's 0:07:16.320 --> 0:07:18.480 the only way we're going to get stronger. Yeah. I 0:07:18.480 --> 0:07:22.320 remember hearing to quote about successful people. It said successful 0:07:22.400 --> 0:07:26.360 people or winners are winners because they fail more often, 0:07:26.440 --> 0:07:29.280 because they lose more often. And what that's saying is 0:07:29.320 --> 0:07:33.160 that successful people they set their sights and their standards 0:07:33.200 --> 0:07:36.760 so high. They chased this lofty, audacious goals that that 0:07:36.880 --> 0:07:39.760 it's going to require them. Those standards are so high 0:07:39.760 --> 0:07:41.600 what they're chasing that they are going to lose. Like 0:07:41.640 --> 0:07:43.840 you said, your first year you finished dead. Last second 0:07:43.880 --> 0:07:46.800 year you finished ninth, third year you finished eight. But 0:07:46.840 --> 0:07:50.160 then you built up to become an Olympic champion in 0:07:50.200 --> 0:07:54.320 Sarevo four. Well, crazy thing is is, you know, the 0:07:54.480 --> 0:07:57.239 first year I committed to nationals, they had a big 0:07:57.320 --> 0:08:02.560 celebration right um, and for the guy who won the 0:08:02.640 --> 0:08:06.040 US men's national championship and invite everybody come. I actually 0:08:06.080 --> 0:08:08.320 skated with him. So he's kind of like, I hear 0:08:08.400 --> 0:08:10.600 a role model and everything else. So I'm sitting there 0:08:10.640 --> 0:08:12.840 with another kid my age, and he goes, look there's 0:08:12.880 --> 0:08:15.520 a big trait through of beers right there. Go grab 0:08:15.520 --> 0:08:17.920 me a beer. And it's like we're fourteen years old. 0:08:18.000 --> 0:08:20.360 It's like, no, grab your own beer. And he goes, 0:08:20.400 --> 0:08:23.840 no, no no, no, I have something to lose, you don't. 0:08:25.640 --> 0:08:27.880 And you know what, I've never forgotten that, and I 0:08:27.880 --> 0:08:30.920 always thought it was that, really if I put myself 0:08:30.920 --> 0:08:33.360 in a position where that's what people think of me, 0:08:34.040 --> 0:08:39.120 and so you know, fast forward, you know, from that moment, 0:08:39.440 --> 0:08:44.680 let's go forward seven years right, seven years later, um, 0:08:44.720 --> 0:08:47.120 seven and a half years later, because now it's October 0:08:47.160 --> 0:08:53.319 of night. Was the first competition I won where I 0:08:53.320 --> 0:08:56.679 would never lose again for four years, and it's like 0:08:57.000 --> 0:08:59.040 I look back on that, it's like, really, I must 0:08:59.080 --> 0:09:01.240 have gotten really luck you a bunch of times because 0:09:01.320 --> 0:09:04.840 it's like impossible, And then it really was. It just 0:09:04.920 --> 0:09:08.360 came down to, you know, building that those muscles not 0:09:08.440 --> 0:09:11.960 only in your body but in your in your heart 0:09:12.080 --> 0:09:14.800 and your mind, that when you step on the ice, 0:09:15.120 --> 0:09:19.199 you're able to deliver the goods consistently while still being 0:09:19.840 --> 0:09:23.679 humble and hungry and and going after just keep looking 0:09:23.720 --> 0:09:25.920 that way, you know, just take that rear view mirror, 0:09:26.120 --> 0:09:28.200 throw it off, you know, through rip it off the 0:09:28.240 --> 0:09:30.200 wind chill and throwing the back of the seat. And 0:09:30.280 --> 0:09:31.800 you still you know, you're going that way. You're not 0:09:31.840 --> 0:09:34.319 going back there, and you're not gonna like, I'm not 0:09:34.360 --> 0:09:38.480 gonna protect this. I'm not protecting I'm just going that way, 0:09:38.720 --> 0:09:42.240 you know. And you off here, man, you got fired 0:09:42.240 --> 0:09:44.600 off now. But it's like how many guys win a 0:09:44.600 --> 0:09:47.920 marathon by looking back? You know, you to lose speed, 0:09:48.040 --> 0:09:50.600 just slow down. It's like, no, we're going that way. 0:09:51.160 --> 0:09:53.240 I love that you touched on failure at the beginning 0:09:53.320 --> 0:09:55.800 of this because it allows our audience to hear that, 0:09:55.880 --> 0:10:00.040 to hear that Olympic champion A the most cell it 0:10:00.120 --> 0:10:04.160 a skater and mail figure skating is talks about failure 0:10:04.200 --> 0:10:07.559 in the massive amounts of failure that he experienced. I think, 0:10:07.600 --> 0:10:10.080 I think it's so important. I think Michael Jordan missed 0:10:10.080 --> 0:10:13.160 over nine thousand shots in his career. I think is 0:10:13.200 --> 0:10:16.120 the stat like nine thousand times he shot and missed. 0:10:16.320 --> 0:10:19.760 But like you said, continued forward, he wanted the ball 0:10:19.800 --> 0:10:21.600 to shoot the next one, just the belief in the 0:10:21.640 --> 0:10:23.880 next one. Um. And then I also love what you 0:10:23.920 --> 0:10:26.880 said about how when you stepped on the ice and 0:10:27.280 --> 0:10:29.720 four that it was just like, okay, let's go have 0:10:29.800 --> 0:10:32.760 some fun. Because you had, you had none of the 0:10:32.880 --> 0:10:35.679 shot could have Because you have, it wasn't really fun. 0:10:36.880 --> 0:10:40.120 It's like the Olympics, you know, it's like stressful. I'm 0:10:40.120 --> 0:10:42.600 like duding this, I'm sweating right through my outfit and 0:10:42.640 --> 0:10:46.160 it's like this is this is like this is my 0:10:46.520 --> 0:10:50.640 this is my only chance right now. But again the 0:10:50.720 --> 0:10:53.400 main thought was no, would have snow kudos should have 0:10:53.800 --> 0:10:56.839 Like I did everything I could have prepared for that moment. 0:10:56.920 --> 0:11:00.640 It's still like you still gotta do your job. I 0:11:00.679 --> 0:11:03.800 didn't skate as well as I trained, you know, I 0:11:04.400 --> 0:11:06.000 go lean at that moment. I think I did like 0:11:06.880 --> 0:11:10.760 sixty five or sixty four's clean run throughs going up 0:11:10.760 --> 0:11:13.240 to that moment. You know, every day so I was 0:11:13.640 --> 0:11:17.160 really prepared and I was like locked in muscle memory. 0:11:17.200 --> 0:11:22.440 Everything was great. It's still one event, only one medal, 0:11:23.040 --> 0:11:25.679 and if you don't do it, you gotta wait four years. 0:11:25.720 --> 0:11:28.280 It's not like in swimming or track and field, where 0:11:28.320 --> 0:11:29.880 it's like, oh man, I was a little off today, 0:11:29.920 --> 0:11:34.400 but I got eight more races. It's now one. That's it. 0:11:34.920 --> 0:11:37.840 So that's where in hockey we would talking about it. 0:11:38.120 --> 0:11:43.680 Competition is literally just the expression of our practice, you know, 0:11:43.720 --> 0:11:46.560 the pursuit of excellence. It's the expression of your practice, 0:11:46.600 --> 0:11:50.400 the mastering of your craft. And it's then less about 0:11:51.000 --> 0:11:52.559 it's it takes some of the stress off for me. 0:11:52.640 --> 0:11:56.000 Because that's why losses were so Losses used to be 0:11:56.240 --> 0:11:59.160 in the NHL. Losses used to be like life or death, 0:11:59.360 --> 0:12:03.800 and now it's in information. Now, okay, thanks for this. 0:12:03.800 --> 0:12:05.840 This loss was really helpful because it showed us that 0:12:05.840 --> 0:12:08.079 we can't break out of our defensive zone as effectively 0:12:08.080 --> 0:12:13.200 as we want to. So that information, right, Losses changed 0:12:13.240 --> 0:12:15.400 from going to somebody's heart to being like, okay, this 0:12:15.480 --> 0:12:18.560 is information. Like you said, with a commentator, he would 0:12:18.559 --> 0:12:20.559 pick apart something of you. You're like, okay, i'll make 0:12:20.559 --> 0:12:23.280 that better. Now we can't talk about that. Um. I 0:12:23.320 --> 0:12:26.160 also want to tell you that I watched you skate 0:12:27.000 --> 0:12:34.360 probably thousands of times. My sister, uh, figure skated, My 0:12:34.440 --> 0:12:39.560 mom figure skated, and my mom told me, she said, Brooks, 0:12:39.600 --> 0:12:41.200 if you want to be a hockey player, you're gonna 0:12:41.280 --> 0:12:45.199 learn to skate properly figure skate before you play hockey. 0:12:45.320 --> 0:12:50.600 And so I figure skated, right, So just for everybody listening, 0:12:51.120 --> 0:12:54.960 figure skaters are where hockey players go to learn to skate. Yeah, 0:12:55.040 --> 0:12:57.160 we haven't learned to skate with the predators, right, And 0:12:57.240 --> 0:12:59.280 so many parents put, well, I want my kid to 0:12:59.280 --> 0:13:00.960 play hockey, so I'm to put up with hockey skates. 0:13:00.960 --> 0:13:03.599 It's like, you know, you really want to learn in 0:13:03.760 --> 0:13:06.800 figure skates because let's get you move and let's get 0:13:06.840 --> 0:13:09.600 you coordinateds get all those little muscles fired up, and 0:13:09.640 --> 0:13:11.800 then when you need to go over to hockey skates, 0:13:12.000 --> 0:13:15.280 it'll be like an afternoon. You know, you transitioned like 0:13:15.520 --> 0:13:18.640 an hour, and you know it still takes some practice 0:13:18.679 --> 0:13:20.920 to do it. But it's like, if you learn our 0:13:20.920 --> 0:13:23.680 figure skates, they're flatter, there's a toe pick where you 0:13:23.679 --> 0:13:27.000 can get yourself moving, and and they're just they're just 0:13:27.040 --> 0:13:30.000 a little bit like the radius, and hockey skates are 0:13:30.040 --> 0:13:32.360 like this year and very little bit of the blade 0:13:32.360 --> 0:13:35.040 and it's harder to balance right, and so you know, 0:13:35.080 --> 0:13:36.520 the parents are like when no, no no, we really want 0:13:36.559 --> 0:13:39.679 to stay with hockey skates. It's like, okay, it's like 0:13:39.760 --> 0:13:43.160 you're gonna be our customer a lot longer. So you know, 0:13:43.760 --> 0:13:46.560 it's that it's like and we we try to you know, 0:13:46.640 --> 0:13:49.120 it's like the NHL and when we use their UM 0:13:49.480 --> 0:13:52.600 League Development Fund to build our ghost Skate program where 0:13:52.960 --> 0:13:56.120 we scholarship, you know, young people under twelve years old 0:13:56.120 --> 0:13:58.559 into our learning skate. At the end of the what 0:13:58.760 --> 0:14:01.920 we buy them skates so that they can you know, 0:14:02.040 --> 0:14:04.160 it's stickier, it's all that. And it's like, well, now 0:14:04.200 --> 0:14:05.679 I have skates, I know, not a skate. I want 0:14:05.679 --> 0:14:07.640 to be, you know, part of this. So we thought 0:14:07.640 --> 0:14:09.480 that was a really good way to go. And then um, 0:14:09.480 --> 0:14:12.280 the manager of the Ford Eye Centers, which are the 0:14:12.280 --> 0:14:15.560 predator ranks, it comes up to me. He goes, can 0:14:15.600 --> 0:14:19.640 you give me five reasons why, Um, we need to 0:14:19.640 --> 0:14:22.120 buy figure skates for our skaters, and I'll give you 0:14:24.280 --> 0:14:26.880 and he goes fives enough, and it was it was 0:14:26.920 --> 0:14:30.840 like this you know, the ice sports or ice sports 0:14:31.160 --> 0:14:34.480 and the rink is a community, and we want to 0:14:34.520 --> 0:14:38.160 all be a part of this. However, we want to 0:14:38.200 --> 0:14:40.040 be a part of it. And you know, again I 0:14:40.120 --> 0:14:41.880 live with an open hand and not a clinched fist. 0:14:42.000 --> 0:14:44.640 You know, I really am a peacemaker and I try 0:14:44.680 --> 0:14:49.120 to allow a good environment for people to work in. 0:14:49.280 --> 0:14:52.360 And and it's like it's that, It's like, no, we 0:14:52.680 --> 0:14:55.280 want to meet people where they are now, where we 0:14:55.600 --> 0:14:59.520 necessarily want to force them into a situation here and 0:14:59.520 --> 0:15:03.600 and some the best hockey professional hockey players started off 0:15:03.640 --> 0:15:06.840 in figure skates. You can see it. I can see 0:15:06.840 --> 0:15:09.320 it instantly when I see an NHL player, because I 0:15:09.320 --> 0:15:10.960 can see the way their hips open up and the 0:15:10.960 --> 0:15:14.280 way they pivot and their edge work there especially every 0:15:14.400 --> 0:15:17.480 any every NHL player is good on their inside edges, 0:15:17.520 --> 0:15:20.320 but the figure skater, the the NHL player that has 0:15:20.360 --> 0:15:22.960 figure skater is good on the exceptional on the outside 0:15:23.040 --> 0:15:26.040 edge word to backward transition. The way they can open 0:15:26.040 --> 0:15:29.040 their hips and pivot is world class. And you just 0:15:29.080 --> 0:15:31.680 see that when I watch figure skaters. It is so graceful, 0:15:31.880 --> 0:15:34.240 the amount of speed and power you guys can generate 0:15:34.600 --> 0:15:37.840 with your edge work. And carry right, carry. We got 0:15:37.840 --> 0:15:40.680 to carry the speed and a lot of people appreciate 0:15:40.800 --> 0:15:45.400 that efferently carry that. It's silent. It's so great when 0:15:45.400 --> 0:15:48.480 you when you see a good skater, whether their speed 0:15:48.600 --> 0:15:52.360 or figure or hockey, and you can't hear the edge, 0:15:52.800 --> 0:15:56.360 it's like, oh man, that's like heaven. It's like it's 0:15:56.440 --> 0:16:00.320 so pure, it's so good. And that's like Billy Kids 0:16:00.320 --> 0:16:03.480 said that about skiing. He goes, he goes, um, how 0:16:03.560 --> 0:16:04.920 do you know they're a good skier? And he goes, 0:16:04.960 --> 0:16:08.440 You close your eyes? What you close your eyes? And 0:16:08.720 --> 0:16:10.080 how do you know if they're good? Scared? You close 0:16:10.120 --> 0:16:13.160 your eyes because as you listen and you can hear 0:16:13.240 --> 0:16:17.480 them carving into the snow, and you know, the quieter 0:16:17.640 --> 0:16:20.840 you can hear, it's like a it's like and it's 0:16:20.880 --> 0:16:24.680 just pure. And you know. There's a skater from Japan. 0:16:24.800 --> 0:16:28.840 She was actually world champion nineteen eight and ninety four 0:16:29.360 --> 0:16:34.480 and her name is Yukasado and her edge quality is spectacular. 0:16:34.600 --> 0:16:39.680 Janet Lynn. When she skater, her edge quality was the 0:16:39.720 --> 0:16:41.960 best in the world. And it just comes down to 0:16:42.160 --> 0:16:46.040 it's just you know, you use less effort because you're 0:16:46.040 --> 0:16:49.240 able to carry the speed you're not constantly grinding and working. 0:16:49.280 --> 0:16:52.200 And we have a coach here at Nashville. It moved 0:16:52.200 --> 0:16:53.920 here from New York and actually a skater with her. 0:16:53.920 --> 0:16:56.280 When she was eight years old, she was a figure 0:16:56.320 --> 0:16:59.440 skater that was an alter to the world team. At 0:16:59.480 --> 0:17:03.320 age five oh fifty, she tried to make the US 0:17:03.360 --> 0:17:09.200 Olympic speed skating team. And now her business is teaching 0:17:09.960 --> 0:17:13.640 hockey skaters how to eskate, and that again that outside 0:17:13.720 --> 0:17:16.120 edge and really loading up and being in the right 0:17:16.200 --> 0:17:18.679 place and having your hips in the right place. She 0:17:18.880 --> 0:17:22.280 is so tough and so on it that a lot 0:17:22.320 --> 0:17:24.720 of the a lot of the kids go she scares me, 0:17:24.800 --> 0:17:27.640 and it's like good, you know, it's good because you're 0:17:27.640 --> 0:17:30.800 in a tough sport. You getting there, and so it's 0:17:30.840 --> 0:17:35.080 really fun to kind of see that. You know that 0:17:35.160 --> 0:17:37.680 you expressed that. And even like Terry Cris who's the 0:17:37.760 --> 0:17:39.960 voice of the Predators, you know in the pre game 0:17:40.000 --> 0:17:42.800 and postgame shows. You know, he said the biggest day 0:17:42.920 --> 0:17:45.600 was when they're in Calgary and a figure skaters, a 0:17:45.640 --> 0:17:47.719 woman showed up to teach about eskate and they're like, 0:17:47.840 --> 0:17:52.880 all right, it shows tell you what I'll race you backwards. Yeah, 0:17:53.680 --> 0:17:56.040 all right, but who's your fastest guy. I'll race some 0:17:56.440 --> 0:17:59.480 backwards and if they beat me, I'll walk out. But 0:17:59.520 --> 0:18:01.440 if they don't, you have to listen to every word 0:18:01.480 --> 0:18:04.280 that I say. And and you know he said, you know, 0:18:04.720 --> 0:18:07.679 she beat him by like blue line of blue line distance. Right, 0:18:07.720 --> 0:18:10.159 it was like that, And then okay, I guess we 0:18:10.240 --> 0:18:13.640 have a lot to learn here, you know. So it's 0:18:13.720 --> 0:18:16.520 like we can all learn from each other, and we 0:18:16.520 --> 0:18:19.520 can grow from each other, and we congest. I mean, 0:18:20.240 --> 0:18:23.960 this world is so broad and so complex and so 0:18:24.080 --> 0:18:26.840 rich in the experience that it's really fun to be 0:18:26.880 --> 0:18:30.199 able to share these ideas and to be able to 0:18:30.280 --> 0:18:41.520 learn from each other. It's a beautiful, beautiful art friend, 0:18:41.520 --> 0:18:43.240 Like it is just I watched so many hours of 0:18:43.240 --> 0:18:45.719 figure skating, um, and I want to pay you a 0:18:45.720 --> 0:18:47.840 compliment because I watched you from the time I was 0:18:47.880 --> 0:18:50.280 a kid. If hockey wasn't on, figure skating was on it, 0:18:50.800 --> 0:18:54.440 that's great, that was fun. My target audience was men, 0:18:55.160 --> 0:18:58.280 and yeah, I love it, Like no, it was because 0:18:58.760 --> 0:19:00.959 you've got all these women in the audience and they're like, 0:19:01.200 --> 0:19:03.600 oh yeah wait, and then these men and they're sitting 0:19:03.600 --> 0:19:08.600 there going so yeah, so can I tell you what um, 0:19:08.640 --> 0:19:11.360 what was really interesting and what I what's been awesome 0:19:11.400 --> 0:19:13.960 to have you on the show is and here your 0:19:14.400 --> 0:19:17.760 version of your career, in your pursuit of excellence, in 0:19:18.000 --> 0:19:20.159 the amount of failure and the amount of resilience that 0:19:20.240 --> 0:19:25.200 you've shown is I remember watching you when I was younger, 0:19:25.240 --> 0:19:29.640 and I remember my mom and dad having conversations about you, 0:19:29.760 --> 0:19:34.640 and and the word grit and resilience continued to come up. 0:19:34.960 --> 0:19:38.400 And they always said, you could never bet against Scott 0:19:38.440 --> 0:19:42.520 Hamilton's you could never bet against him. And so watching you, 0:19:42.520 --> 0:19:45.159 you could see this. It's it's refreshing for me to 0:19:45.240 --> 0:19:51.280 hear you speak about resilience and and failure and how 0:19:51.320 --> 0:19:55.280 you overcame that and continued to pursue excellence, because that's 0:19:55.320 --> 0:19:58.080 what I witnessed, That's what I witnessed in watching you skate, 0:19:58.119 --> 0:20:05.120 and energetically witnessed that, and it was it's for myself. 0:20:05.160 --> 0:20:08.600 When I played hockey, the scariest guys to play against 0:20:08.680 --> 0:20:11.359 weren't the most talented, weren't the guys with the best 0:20:11.400 --> 0:20:15.760 world class skills. They were the guys that I knew 0:20:16.560 --> 0:20:25.080 would never quit. Yeah, those were the scariest. Well, I mean, 0:20:25.160 --> 0:20:27.960 that's that's the head game of sports, right, And you 0:20:28.000 --> 0:20:31.440 know when I was skating, especially towards the end, I 0:20:31.960 --> 0:20:35.680 made sure that they never saw me miss a jump ever, 0:20:36.240 --> 0:20:40.359 and in that they had to go, oh man, now, ah, 0:20:40.400 --> 0:20:43.240 he's never gonna miss, so I can't miss. So instead 0:20:43.280 --> 0:20:45.960 of instead of it going like I'm going this way, 0:20:46.280 --> 0:20:48.359 and they're kind of like now stuck in their own space, 0:20:48.400 --> 0:20:50.800 going all right, I under a lot of pressure. Now 0:20:50.840 --> 0:20:52.639 I can't miss a jomp. I gotta do this right 0:20:52.680 --> 0:20:55.480 because they're never gonna miss. And and it's that game 0:20:55.560 --> 0:20:58.600 that games meanship that comes in and it's like, yeah, 0:20:58.880 --> 0:21:03.320 I'm I'm I'm here, I'm prepared, and you know, I'm 0:21:03.400 --> 0:21:05.679 never gonna quit and I'm gonna be on it and 0:21:05.720 --> 0:21:08.280 you're just gonna have to worry about yourself. It's like 0:21:08.800 --> 0:21:13.080 it really destroys people. You had an immense presence because 0:21:13.119 --> 0:21:16.880 of that that that was five ft nothing right, thank you, 0:21:17.080 --> 0:21:20.119 that's your presence was giant. Your presence was giant, Scott 0:21:20.160 --> 0:21:22.679 because of that, Like there there was like there's a 0:21:22.760 --> 0:21:25.360 tremendous amount because what that is ultimately, that's a that's 0:21:25.359 --> 0:21:29.160 a massive form of respect if something like people because 0:21:29.240 --> 0:21:31.840 like it transferred through the television screen watching this that 0:21:31.960 --> 0:21:34.920 like kind of the whole group was watching, Like, what's 0:21:34.960 --> 0:21:39.280 Scott gonna do? That's kind of the dude watched the 0:21:39.520 --> 0:21:42.159 trust I sat and watched these petitions. My mom and 0:21:42.200 --> 0:21:44.360 my sister, my dad would watch them like they were 0:21:44.359 --> 0:21:46.800 on in our household all the time. So just from 0:21:46.800 --> 0:21:49.760 one athlete to another, I just admire the way you 0:21:49.800 --> 0:21:51.479 show up and and I think I know you now 0:21:51.520 --> 0:21:55.000 on this podcast. I admire your approach to the sport, 0:21:55.480 --> 0:21:59.880 which obviously has has led to fantastic success in Olympic 0:22:00.040 --> 0:22:02.680 bold metal within it, but then more so I believe 0:22:02.720 --> 0:22:07.879