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Speaker 1: I'm Molly Lambert and with me in Los Angeles is
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Speaker 1: us in New York as always, Emily y Ashida Carvel.
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Speaker 1: and works for The New York Times as a writer.
Speaker 1: And I also do the Slate parenting podcast Mom and
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Speaker 1: if you don't. Emily, Welcome back from New England. Thanks.
Speaker 1: I was in New England. I I want everybody to
Speaker 1: know that I went to New England and I came
Speaker 1: back and it was okay, and there was nothing to
Speaker 1: be afraid of Um, have you never been there before? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I had, so I went. I went to the Cape,
Speaker 1: which I cannot say without making a funny face. When
Speaker 1: we were talking about we were talking about the Cape
Speaker 1: before we started recording. Um, we weren't going to talk
Speaker 1: today about sharks. The end of summer seems like the
Speaker 1: time to talk about sharks. And then we're gonna take
Speaker 1: a question about a haunted piece of wood that spoilers
Speaker 1: what are you doing? Sorry, it's spoiler. It's not spoilers
Speaker 1: that it's a haunted piece of what the spoilers what
Speaker 1: there might do with it. That's true, that's true. And
Speaker 1: then we're gonna talk about the Elon Musk Grimes, Azalia
Speaker 1: Banks uh situation. So guys, what do you what are
Speaker 1: you feeling about sharks right now? Well, everybody seen the
Speaker 1: Meg No, we were talking about it, we were. Tessa
Speaker 1: was looking up the credits of the director and saw
Speaker 1: that he directed three Ninjas and cool Runnings Ding ding ding. Uh, Emily,
Speaker 1: did you see the Meg? I did. I had to
Speaker 1: see the meg for work I got I got paid
Speaker 1: by my employer to see the mag I'd see the Meg. Um. No,
Speaker 1: it's not it's really bad. I think I think that
Speaker 1: this movie like started out like the first Whenever the
Speaker 1: first trailer dropped for it, everybody was like, oh, cool
Speaker 1: Judge movie with Jason Stu the minute, and then I
Speaker 1: think the second trailer jobs and I think they had
Speaker 1: caught on too. Maybe whatever Camp be Vie people were
Speaker 1: assigning to this film, and so I just decided to
Speaker 1: try to market It's like a giant shark and Jason
Speaker 1: Statham work camp now, yeah, become really camp. I was
Speaker 1: going to say, is it all past after Shark Nato?
Speaker 1: But they're like, we have a bigger shark, and I
Speaker 1: think the shark in the movie is supposed to be
Speaker 1: seventy five ft long. Well, I was going to say,
Speaker 1: the reason I thought this might be like a real
Speaker 1: shark movie is because it's based on the other novel
Speaker 1: by the guy who wrote Jaws. Yeah, that's about a
Speaker 1: megalodon shark. That's like the sequel to Jaws where it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: you thought Jaws was scary, check out a really ancient Jaws.
Speaker 1: By the way, the title of the book is meg
Speaker 1: A Novel of Deep Terror. It feels like shade at
Speaker 1: somebody like that. The author knew whose name was Meg. Meg.
Speaker 1: I like calling a megalodon shark Meg. It's like a
Speaker 1: name do it as the Meg in the film. But
Speaker 1: the thing about the film is that, contrary to its
Speaker 1: second round of marketing, it is a pretty straightforward shark
Speaker 1: movie with a heavy Chinese finance influence in it. Um
Speaker 1: And one of the cool things about that, one of
Speaker 1: the only cool things about that, similar to Pacific Rim
Speaker 1: Too Uprising, which came out earlier this year, it's like
Speaker 1: this weird loophole that like gives you, um, like Asian
Speaker 1: female actors and like key roles and dumb action movies. Um,
Speaker 1: that's sounds Actually you're making a great argument for the Meg,
Speaker 1: don't you. Like, Well, no, it's I mean, it's just boring.
Speaker 1: Like there aren't that many good I wanted more shark
Speaker 1: centric centerpieces. There's like one really really amazing one where um,
Speaker 1: like the female protagonists like gets lowered into the shark
Speaker 1: tank and then like all held breaks loose. Um that
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't even know how to describe,
Speaker 1: but um, she gets lower it into the shark tank.
Speaker 1: One of those shark tanks that like you lower you
Speaker 1: you're lower Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, um, with like a
Speaker 1: hole so that she can shoot a poison dart at
Speaker 1: the meg and then it doesn't go as planned, and
Speaker 1: uh it ends up like the shark grabs the thing
Speaker 1: and the whole boat tips over because it's attached to
Speaker 1: the cage, and it's just like this weird you're really
Speaker 1: selling us, though, I swear to God that I just
Speaker 1: sweared the I just I just spoiled the only good
Speaker 1: thing about it because it's really long, and um, it
Speaker 1: doesn't It's yeah, it doesn't deliver that much on shark hijanks,
Speaker 1: but like neither does Jaws. And that's why I guess
Speaker 1: Jaws is about like corrupt local infrastructure. Yeah, Jaws is
Speaker 1: like a metaphor for something. It was also the first time.
Speaker 1: It was also like the first of its kind right
Speaker 1: right at the time. I had never seen it until
Speaker 1: not that long ago. Yeah, yeah, that's why I has
Speaker 1: I still haven't seen Jaws. Oh my god, film critics
Speaker 1: spoiler Jaws is amazing, and I begrudgingly was like, I
Speaker 1: guess I see why this made Spielberg a huge director
Speaker 1: and also like ended the good seventies in movies that
Speaker 1: I ed, you know, like it's not Jaws's fault. Much
Speaker 1: like in the movie, It's not Jaws's fault. I saw
Speaker 1: Jaws when I was so little, and I just actually
Speaker 1: tried to sell my kids on watching Jaws, because I
Speaker 1: was like, why would you do that. I don't know,
Speaker 1: wat kids should not watch Jaws. Well, there, you know,
Speaker 1: it's good to have all life fear at the ocean. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean people people in that generation had fears of oceans, pools, toilets,
Speaker 1: glasses of water like it was. It was, it permeated.
Speaker 1: In fact, there were so many rip offs. Like when
Speaker 1: I was a kid, I remember seeing a TV movie
Speaker 1: that was ripped off of that called Orca, and it
Speaker 1: was about a killer that was like it was like
Speaker 1: a made for TV movies, like a whale with a vendetta.
Speaker 1: And I vividly remember being a kid and lying in
Speaker 1: bed and being terrified that a killer whales was going
Speaker 1: to just burst through the door. It was free, free willy.
Speaker 1: I didn't have their positive. It was all negative was
Speaker 1: a negative. By the time I think we were kids,
Speaker 1: it was there was a lot of like a big
Speaker 1: push of like sharks and awareness like they're not all
Speaker 1: predators who want to kill you like that, right, Let's
Speaker 1: see sharks. Sharks aren't as smart as whales, so in
Speaker 1: a way, like a whale with a vendetta makes more
Speaker 1: sense than sharks are just kind of like reptile brain
Speaker 1: like exactly, but that's what makes them so spooky. But
Speaker 1: whales could like dress up. Is like your mom could
Speaker 1: really work a whole drift and then kill you. The
Speaker 1: craziest thing about whales to me is that they were
Speaker 1: on land before Wait wait what yeah, yeah, they were
Speaker 1: like a creature on land, like yeah, the opposite work. No,
Speaker 1: what are you talking about? Talk about evolution, like all
Speaker 1: mammals that are sea mammals once land mammals, A lot
Speaker 1: of them, No, mostly mostly the other way around. But okay,
Speaker 1: let's fact check this. But what you're suggesting, just to
Speaker 1: clarify your claim here is that is that whales used
Speaker 1: to be land mammals that descended into the sea as
Speaker 1: opposed to the other way around, which is what everything
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Speaker 1: thing I've I've noticed about shark movies because UM on
Speaker 1: our on our website, UM Charles Born Musco did a
Speaker 1: list of all the the greatest shark movies, and I
Speaker 1: was looking just at the images of them, and I
Speaker 1: feel like half of the reason that shark movies became
Speaker 1: a thing, or became a sub genre, is just that
Speaker 1: sharks already look so fake, Like before you make a
Speaker 1: fake prosthetic shark, like so frestionless puppets. They're prehistoric looking.
Speaker 1: They are like you can kind of just like turn
Speaker 1: a honk of of plastic into a shark. Not that
Speaker 1: hard guys have got an update, Okay, test all right,
Speaker 1: So this is from the Berkeley website. These first whales,
Speaker 1: such as pack acetes, where typical land animals. They had
Speaker 1: long skulls and large carnivorous teeth. From the outside, they
Speaker 1: don't look much like whales at all. However, their skulls,
Speaker 1: particularly in the ear region, which is surrounded by a
Speaker 1: bony wall, strongly resemble those of living whales and are
Speaker 1: unlike those of any other mammal. That's what I am
Speaker 1: talking about. It wasn't crazy, it's incredibly creepy. Also like
Speaker 1: we are lucky that whales don't have vendettas against humans. Well,
Speaker 1: they're somewhat related to hippo's like if you go back
Speaker 1: far enough, but then a certain point they diverge. Hips
Speaker 1: are angry and not smart, but hippos were chill and
Speaker 1: cute and scary. They're cute and scary. They're kind of
Speaker 1: like hungry hungry always in the movie. First guys, what
Speaker 1: about a Hungry Hungry Hippos movie. That's probably already I'm
Speaker 1: sure that's been green. I'm sure that's in development. Doungle
Speaker 1: Cruise movie. Yeah, the Rock when they made the when
Speaker 1: they whenever they bought up all those games, like when
Speaker 1: they movie. Yeah, yeah, the Monopottle movie could be incredible.
Speaker 1: I would write the Monopoly movie. That would be dope.
Speaker 1: I want to see I want to I want to
Speaker 1: see the Operation movie with them. Yeah, I've watched The
Speaker 1: Rock in all of those like connect for with the Rock,
Speaker 1: The Rock, I don't. I don't like the camp of
Speaker 1: people though, but I am over the Rock. I will
Speaker 1: I will put I'll put in that language. I'm over
Speaker 1: the Rock and he's had enough. Yeah, I'm on with
Speaker 1: his like weird fake not quite campaign posturing and he's
Speaker 1: like a total Republican and I don't know, and he
Speaker 1: he like used like a weird homophobic insults against Ven
Speaker 1: Diesel when they were fighting, and I don't know, right
Speaker 1: him and Vin Diesel was was an interesting were fighting
Speaker 1: the scenes they are still fighting, Like what's the cliffs
Speaker 1: notes of that? For I mean, it's just like too
Speaker 1: like two huge egos in one room, I think, And
Speaker 1: I think I think he's I think that Ven Diesel
Speaker 1: is like a more I think he's more of an
Speaker 1: introvert a heart and I think I think the Rock
Speaker 1: is more just like a Grand Standard. And I think
Speaker 1: that well he's a wrestler. Come on, yeah, of course,
Speaker 1: I mean like it, it makes sense. But I think
Speaker 1: I think that the to those two big personalities on
Speaker 1: a on a single franchise, it was it was a
Speaker 1: tough mix. Well, everyone's just one Giant Shark movie away
Speaker 1: from being back back in America's heart. But speaking of
Speaker 1: and Diesel, one of the things that if you haven't
Speaker 1: seen Ven Diesel's breakdance videos, oh yeah, everyone should. I
Speaker 1: just want to make sure that everyone knows about that
Speaker 1: Ven Diesel has like a secret like eighties like art career.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, yeah, he was like a lower He was
Speaker 1: like breakdance meets art. He was a bouncer. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's not surprising that he made this like art film
Speaker 1: about how he could play any race. That was like
Speaker 1: about like, yeah, he was like exploring the like the
Speaker 1: just like the mechanisms of racial ambiguity in Hollywood. It
Speaker 1: was yeah, it was. It was weird, I mean hestally
Speaker 1: like some video art. Yeah, but he was doing his thing.
Speaker 1: Um but I also I don't know, the rock is
Speaker 1: just he loves his mom. I don't know. I can't.
Speaker 1: I agree with you, I guarantee you. And Diesel loves
Speaker 1: his mom too. Okay, Yeah, who would have thought that
Speaker 1: the millionaire bodybuilder who preach itself about all the time
Speaker 1: we had to be Republican? What are the odds? I
Speaker 1: was just still stuck on that he was like a
Speaker 1: Horatio Alger story of like a wrestler who became like
Speaker 1: a like an actor, a famous actor. I don't know
Speaker 1: that that's the Horatio Alger story, but to me, I
Speaker 1: was like, this is an improvement on like Schwarzenegger, you know,
Speaker 1: who was probably an improvement on Schwarzenegger, but he's still
Speaker 1: in the Schwarzenegger camp. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know it's
Speaker 1: a variational the Schwarzeneger. And then Vin Diesel is more
Speaker 1: of like a stallone. He's got the heart of gold.
Speaker 1: I think that is a I think that is a
Speaker 1: fair comparison. Yeah, yeah, that work. What do you guys
Speaker 1: think are going to be the next big like scary
Speaker 1: sea animal or just land animal that people are talking
Speaker 1: about of land whales now that every land wales. I mean,
Speaker 1: I would love to go back to the prehistory. If
Speaker 1: we're going back to Megalodon's like, let's go back to
Speaker 1: the land whales. You know what's scary, Well, this goes
Speaker 1: back to the Cape Um. I spent some time on
Speaker 1: on a farm in the Cape. Those who follow my
Speaker 1: Instagram stories might have seen that I saw the baby
Speaker 1: are not what was scary. What was scary was turkey
Speaker 1: Turkey's Yes, that's what I was hoping you would say,
Speaker 1: because that's basically what I was going to say. They
Speaker 1: are tar pits, And yes, I went to the Librea
Speaker 1: tar pits and they which I just hadn't been in
Speaker 1: a while, and a lot of that stuff that they
Speaker 1: have is like giant floths and stuff where you're like, man,
Speaker 1: these things are also cool. And then I've been watching
Speaker 1: that David Attenbrushow that's all like the ones that are
Speaker 1: left just got really small. You know. There's all these
Speaker 1: things that used to be big and are small and
Speaker 1: basically they're just like birds are just like small dinosaurs
Speaker 1: that became small. Uh, And I just couldn't stop talking
Speaker 1: about it. I was like, look, the birds are dinosaurs.
Speaker 1: The dinosaurs to survive just became small and they're all
Speaker 1: around us. There isn't inherent hard to turkeys. And in fact,
Speaker 1: there's an episode of Bob's Burgers that explores the horror
Speaker 1: of rasters, like when you posted that thing, because you
Speaker 1: posted like a hundred of them in a pen, and
Speaker 1: it was like it was sort of like and like
Speaker 1: I hadn't experienced so the turkey vulture Earlier this summer
Speaker 1: where I was on a beach like my boyfriend and
Speaker 1: I like walked down into a sort of like remote
Speaker 1: beach on the Central coast and there were these turkey
Speaker 1: vultures flying overhead that like we tried to get closer
Speaker 1: to them, and they like wouldn't They were like, get
Speaker 1: the hell out of here. Yeah, they were I think
Speaker 1: maybe defending a nest or something vocal their vocal, but
Speaker 1: it's like I also didn't know that they wouldn't attack
Speaker 1: a human, but you know, they were like circling over us,
Speaker 1: and I was like, they could just funk us up
Speaker 1: so much if they wanted to have. You guys seen
Speaker 1: turkeys like regular turkeys, not turkey vultures fly. Oh my god. No, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they lived there wilding. In a lot of parts in
Speaker 1: New England they're wild. So where my parents live, there
Speaker 1: are wild turkeys every whether they're huge, they're gigantic. And
Speaker 1: one time our dog brought she was a retriever and
Speaker 1: she brought us a turkey egg and once the dog
Speaker 1: touches the nest, the you know, grown up turkeys won't
Speaker 1: take care of them. So we got we found all
Speaker 1: the eggs. We put them in an incubator and we
Speaker 1: incubated them forever, was like weeks and weeks of incubating them,
Speaker 1: and then we had a power outage and we've been
Speaker 1: looking through them with flashlights and we can see them growing.
Speaker 1: And during the power outage, they all they all died.
Speaker 1: But we didn't know whether to throw them away, so
Speaker 1: we kept them for a bit to be like maybe
Speaker 1: the hatch, and then it was just disgusting. But on
Speaker 1: the plus side, you know they're mean birds, and then
Speaker 1: if you raise them, who knows what You're going to
Speaker 1: be so useful on the commune. Commune Happy Thanksgiving. But
Speaker 1: this is I mean, this may be excuse old, but
Speaker 1: there is a w k RP episode based on turkeys
Speaker 1: flying and the plot of it is that, um, they're
Speaker 1: trying to organize this big like Thanksgiving promotion, but they
Speaker 1: won't tell what it is. Like the station director won't
Speaker 1: say what it is, he just can't wait to do it,
Speaker 1: and then he likes dispatches the reporter life to the scene,
Speaker 1: and it turned out the promotion is that they're going
Speaker 1: to throw a bunch of turkeys from a helicopter over
Speaker 1: a mall and create this like beautiful way, like a
Speaker 1: flock of turkeys just flying and creating this gorgeous thing.
Speaker 1: But of course they start falling and dropping on everyone.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I think the next I think the
Speaker 1: next sea creature horror should have to be octopus. But
Speaker 1: they're so cute and smart, but there are Yeah, we
Speaker 1: just learned that you've read this right. This is the
Speaker 1: new scientific study there act. Yes, I love them. They
Speaker 1: come from another come from another planet, not scientists, not
Speaker 1: believe that. It's very article that was like debunking that article.
Speaker 1: I the debunking article was like, but it's like, no,
Speaker 1: in some way it is true. Like they were like
Speaker 1: it's not like they were like, we're flown here. But
Speaker 1: it was like, we don't know what their DNA comes from.
Speaker 1: It's like animals I won't eat is the octopus? Well,
Speaker 1: they're very smart. I went to a tropical fish store
Speaker 1: the other day in the Valley. I went to Tony's
Speaker 1: Tropical Fish. No, it's Marks Tropical Fish, Marks Tropical Fish.
Speaker 1: It's the best tropical fish store. It's been there forever.
Speaker 1: And then somebody told me it's owned by the guy
Speaker 1: from the Strawberry Alarm Clock, which even better. Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: Mark from the Strawberry Alarm Clock. Who are my favorite
Speaker 1: movie beyond The Valley of the Dolls. Uh. But it's
Speaker 1: also just been there forever. And I love going in
Speaker 1: tropical fish starts because they're so relaxing. And I like
Speaker 1: watched this stingray. They had like a baby stingray in
Speaker 1: one tank and I posted some video of it, but
Speaker 1: it was like so cute and it looked like it
Speaker 1: was trying to escape. It was just like swimming to
Speaker 1: the top over and over again. And I asked the guy.
Speaker 1: I was like, is trying to get out? Like doesn't know?
Speaker 1: And he was like, no, they just like to do that. Sure,
Speaker 1: Strawberry alarm clock can send some peppermints. What is the
Speaker 1: closest encounter any of you guys have had with like
Speaker 1: a sea monster, by which I would include like octopi
Speaker 1: or a shark or giant squids. I will say that
Speaker 1: the last time I was in Florida, I was in
Speaker 1: Pensacola and there were like, you know, it's like a
Speaker 1: different type of ocean than the ocean here. It is
Speaker 1: a different ocean. And last time I went, I was like,
Speaker 1: this is so nice. It's like warm and different and beautiful.
Speaker 1: And then this time, I like noticed there were jellyfish
Speaker 1: everywhere and I couldn't unnotice it, and it made me
Speaker 1: sort of like a little too scared to be in
Speaker 1: the ocean because they were like a non poisonous kind
Speaker 1: of jellyfish, but even just the idea of like a
Speaker 1: lot of them touching my body. He made me be
Speaker 1: like I have to get out of the ocean right now. Um.
Speaker 1: But then yeah, and then I went and looked and
Speaker 1: there's like a lot of like moon jellies. I went
Speaker 1: to like ap peer like at night and watch some
Speaker 1: jellyfish just swim around. And I think jellyfish are super
Speaker 1: scary and awesome. Jellyfish. Yeah, they have like sixteen eyes
Speaker 1: or something. No one can ever doubt anything. I say again,
Speaker 1: because I was right about the whale. Have you ever
Speaker 1: had any personal rance with a sea monster? A couple?
Speaker 1: I mean, I so when I was a kid, I
Speaker 1: lived in Maryland and we would we would swim are
Speaker 1: this summer camp would we'd swim in the Chesapeake, and
Speaker 1: jellyfish were like common. You get stung everyone. We get
Speaker 1: stung all day long. It was like one of the
Speaker 1: things that would happen. It's just you get stung by
Speaker 1: a jellyfish. They were I mean, you would hold them
Speaker 1: in like you could pick them up. They were weird.
Speaker 1: I mean, jellyfish are very strange and they have no face.
Speaker 1: They have no face and you can sort of pick
Speaker 1: them up and they're just kind of like it's like
Speaker 1: it's like a blob that's sort of you know, and
Speaker 1: uh yeah, but you'd be swimming and then you would
Speaker 1: just you'd hear it kid be like, oh, you know jelly.
Speaker 1: So there's that. But then when I was in at
Speaker 1: one point I went to Hawaii and we swam with
Speaker 1: sea turtles, which aren't really Yeah, yeah, somebody could do
Speaker 1: like an evil sea turtle movie, but like they have,
Speaker 1: how could you do that? Maybe I'm just projecting, But
Speaker 1: like all the Australian sea creatures, I'm always like, they
Speaker 1: seem so chill. A lionfish, isn't it the lionfish that's
Speaker 1: like the most venomous fish? Or but all those great
Speaker 1: barrier refunds, I'm like, it's just they're so colorful and beautiful. Yeah,
Speaker 1: even if they like would murder you, you're like, that's cute.
Speaker 1: Going to get to Australia, I don't know. I was
Speaker 1: snorkeling in Um the Caribbean and uh we encountered a ray,
Speaker 1: a giant ray, and was one of the freakiest things
Speaker 1: it's ever happened to me. It felt like encountering an
Speaker 1: alien in the wild because suddenly like we like, you know,
Speaker 1: it kind of makes itself clear in the water, and
Speaker 1: it was just sort of like sleeping at the bottom
Speaker 1: of the like um like on the sand. And then
Speaker 1: I think it noticed us and kind of like twitched awake,
Speaker 1: and I had this fear of God and me. I
Speaker 1: just immediately turned her out and just like booked it
Speaker 1: back to the shore. But apparently it lived there. Like
Speaker 1: we were asking the people, like the local people there,
Speaker 1: and they're like, oh, yeah, you met the like that
Speaker 1: guy just like chills out there all the time. That's
Speaker 1: just like a sentient rug. Yeah. Yeah, but it gets
Speaker 1: sometimes like it was bigger than Hope. I didn't that
Speaker 1: kill Yeah, until it ends your career, until it kills
Speaker 1: like a person whose whole life is about dealing with animals,
Speaker 1: Just like you know, you have to kind of accept
Speaker 1: the risk. Smiley face on its other side, that makes
Speaker 1: it looks like a real cutie. You really turn that
Speaker 1: smile upside test. What's your what's your most up close encounter? Um.
Speaker 1: I haven't ever gotten that close to like a whale,
Speaker 1: and I never got to swim with like the fun
Speaker 1: like seals or whatever one does. But I did raise
Speaker 1: lobsters in this weird kind of like plastic condominium via
Speaker 1: this like mail order thing where you could your Your
Speaker 1: deal is that you'd raise these lobsters from like teeny
Speaker 1: tinese up until they were certain size, and then you'd
Speaker 1: send them back farm. Why what is the I don't know,
Speaker 1: but like raising animals and captivity that are supposed to
Speaker 1: be captured, that's kind of your things. She likes to incubate.
Speaker 1: All of this was during three years I lived in
Speaker 1: a really rural area of Connecticut and I didn't have anything. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I like that rural biology. Yeah, so I was just
Speaker 1: like science lab. Yeah, you're like, but for like the
Speaker 1: East Coast, I did Pony Club too. I was all
Speaker 1: animals were my friends. But the lobsters it was just terrible.
Speaker 1: I mean like they just died. And then the tank
Speaker 1: was really was like a huge setup where they each
Speaker 1: had these like little plastic cells and it was like
Speaker 1: a grid of like twenty four of them, and there
Speaker 1: was a filtration system that had to be cleaned by
Speaker 1: not basically was maceration, private private contract. This isn't the
Speaker 1: thing anymore. I can't never still be a thing. Every
Speaker 1: time you see a lobster tanke at arrest straw, that's true,
Speaker 1: but this was they had much less room, but they
Speaker 1: were babies, so they didn't need a ton. That is
Speaker 1: how they incubate things. Though when you see it like
Speaker 1: an aquarium, not to defend you know, it was that
Speaker 1: I was like ten, But still, did you ever try
Speaker 1: to do like a little shark gag or anything? I
Speaker 1: don't know how you get like a shark. Well, the
Speaker 1: deal is is that I think that you could raise
Speaker 1: these lobsters, and I think it was brackish water, which
Speaker 1: is kind of like split the difference between fresh and salt.
Speaker 1: But a shark gag you would assume unless it was
Speaker 1: some kind of like you need. Yeah, and then that
Speaker 1: that's like a whole ext you're thinking about this like realistically,
Speaker 1: which I I've thought about bringing because because Okay, so
Speaker 1: there's a new seahorse that they discovered in Japan. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's really exciting. Sea horse news, breath seahorse news. You
Speaker 1: can use the seahorse full grown is smaller than a
Speaker 1: grain of rice and it lives in Japan. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: it's part of a whole. There's like a whole group
Speaker 1: of these tiny little sea horses and they are not
Speaker 1: allowed to be kept as pets because there's a size limit.
Speaker 1: You can't bring a sea horse on a plane unless
Speaker 1: it's a certain size, and all of these are smaller
Speaker 1: so they can't be put and they're be Japanese sea horse.
Speaker 1: They're so pretty and weird looking. Oh god, that's what's
Speaker 1: so cool about the ocean is like there's stuff we
Speaker 1: don't know. The ocean is the best, but some people
Speaker 1: are really freaked out by that. We've had the question
Speaker 1: ocean versus space, and it seems obvious that space is scarier.
Speaker 1: We all unanimously secarier because there's less creatures, but is
Speaker 1: scary because you don't know what's in there. And that's
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Speaker 1: to admit, so you have to come clean about something
Speaker 1: that I did years ago that I now realized it's
Speaker 1: terrible and I need to like admit to it, which
Speaker 1: is that I actually ate seahorse at some point. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So we were we were on this trip. We were
Speaker 1: taking this like trip in in Southeast Asia, and we
Speaker 1: were on this like tour and it was like go
Speaker 1: here and go to this fishing village and do this
Speaker 1: and do that, and so it was like this behind
Speaker 1: it's like this back alley tour. And the guy was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you like go and then we're gonna go see this
Speaker 1: old lady who has all these remedies. So we go
Speaker 1: to the old lady's house and she insists that seahorse
Speaker 1: is really good for everything that ails you. And she's
Speaker 1: got like, you know, sea horses there, and we're like
Speaker 1: should we be eating these? And she's like insisting that
Speaker 1: it's good for everything. It's virility and the memory and
Speaker 1: like hair loss, just whatever you name, sea horses are
Speaker 1: going to be your thing. And so it did feel
Speaker 1: weird not to but we every we were like in
Speaker 1: this small group of like shorse, like two Americans to Canadians,
Speaker 1: the German French person who wouldn't stop smoke. Like it
Speaker 1: was like that weird international contention of travelers and uh
Speaker 1: and everyone we had to decide individually are we going
Speaker 1: to like do the seahorse thing or not? And so
Speaker 1: I did. It was about I'm going to say whatever
Speaker 1: or something that's a big seahorse to eat. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: didn't eat all of took a bite and it was
Speaker 1: actually the grossest thing. What did it take? Was it
Speaker 1: just like briny and crunchy. It was briany and crunchy,
Speaker 1: but not even in a good way. Like it wasn't
Speaker 1: like we didn't tried tramp or something. It wasn't even that.
Speaker 1: It just was like, I mean, it tasted like I
Speaker 1: was eating a seahorse, you know what I'm saying. Like
Speaker 1: it's like the thought of it was so disconcerting that
Speaker 1: all I could taste was the emotions. You know, you're
Speaker 1: being polite. I feel like that's you weren't like seeking
Speaker 1: it out like I'm going to eat something. You know.
Speaker 1: I have a friend who's a vegetarian who wants ate
Speaker 1: a jellyfish because they were in a situation where they
Speaker 1: felt like it would be impolite too, don't have bin
Speaker 1: That's kind of what they were saying, how they how
Speaker 1: they but that must have been so gross. But also
Speaker 1: how tests has sort of talked. We talked about the
Speaker 1: horse meatballs from Ikea on this podcast before what now
Speaker 1: hold up, I'm sorry, could you do you eat Ikea meatballs?
Speaker 1: I do? OK, this is retroactively. You may have eaten
Speaker 1: some horse. I know why. There was like a thing
Speaker 1: where they just stilling meatballs to see they were you know,
Speaker 1: I think routinely every so often they'll test foods to
Speaker 1: see ya. This this was like maybe three years ago.
Speaker 1: I'm justing yeah, it was within the past eight years.
Speaker 1: You're putt enough linenberry sauce on there. But the thing is,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if it was the meatballs in the US,
Speaker 1: but it was for sure the European I kea, they're
Speaker 1: probably careless over there, like, oh, yes, I don't know
Speaker 1: people European s people love to eat horse, eat snail.
Speaker 1: This is, I think, is what you were going off of.
Speaker 1: You know, all kinds of things are traditional in other places.
Speaker 1: I feel like that's the thing too, is like like
Speaker 1: I've never eaten a c cucumber, but lots of people do.
Speaker 1: And I was reading something about how it was like
Speaker 1: the super food of the future because there's like too
Speaker 1: many of them. Yeah, it's true. It's true that the
Speaker 1: line between what is edible and is not edible in
Speaker 1: each culture is if we're being a thousand percent honest
Speaker 1: rather arbitrary, saying, if you eat one animal like you
Speaker 1: might as well eat them all. Well, the fact is
Speaker 1: that we all need to be eating insects. But I
Speaker 1: know one will never know. But you know, but if
Speaker 1: that's that's what's gonna happen. My friends are actually so
Speaker 1: I got this. I used to run this this. It's
Speaker 1: a long story, but I got this fellowship and one
Speaker 1: of the people in my fellowship class is are these
Speaker 1: two women that started the company that's all about insects
Speaker 1: called Chirps, and they are the cricket flower people. So
Speaker 1: I know those girls and uh and yeah they So
Speaker 1: when we were in like events together, they would be
Speaker 1: always be trying to make us eat like cricket chips
Speaker 1: and so forth. And you know, I mean, that's it's
Speaker 1: going to happen. It's gonna happen. The hard thing is
Speaker 1: that crickets are I'm superstitious, and crickets are good luck.
Speaker 1: And so it's once I killed a cricket in my
Speaker 1: bathtub by mistake. I was trying to get him with
Speaker 1: a jar to bring him outside and chopped off his
Speaker 1: head and both my kids were watching and they were like,
Speaker 1: what have you done? You still moved. It was just
Speaker 1: a nightmare, and I swear it was I felt that
Speaker 1: bad luck. Well then maybe like double your luck if
Speaker 1: you eat them. I don't think that. I don't think
Speaker 1: it works that way. I don't think so we could
Speaker 1: rewrite it. So maybe, um, hey, guys, should we take
Speaker 1: a nightcall? I think we should yeah, hey, nightcall. This
Speaker 1: is gonna sound really weird, but uh, I have a
Speaker 1: private wood shop, um, mostly a hobby. I do some
Speaker 1: side work. I've been doing it for years. Uh. This
Speaker 1: friend of mine this weekend introduced me to a friend
Speaker 1: of hers who had a job they wanted done. And
Speaker 1: I should preface that by saying that over in the
Speaker 1: suburb of the city near where we live, back in
Speaker 1: I think it's two thousand fourteen, there was this horrible crime.
Speaker 1: It was like a murder scene literally where a person
Speaker 1: was killed and some of the the people were injured and
Speaker 1: it was really bloody. And they've had no ability to
Speaker 1: like sell or rent the property since then, and people
Speaker 1: go in there and sneak in there sometimes, mostly kids
Speaker 1: and stuff. Anyway, this young woman, she has a piece
Speaker 1: of wood, which she claims and I know I'd proved
Speaker 1: this that she and a couple of her friends pried
Speaker 1: this piece of wood out from where all the bad
Speaker 1: things happened. And again I don't know if it's true.
Speaker 1: It's a nice, big, heavy, uh piece of wood that
Speaker 1: has some weird discoloration on it. Anyway, they wanted to
Speaker 1: know if I would make them aligia board and a
Speaker 1: plan chet out of it. Um. I'm not saying I
Speaker 1: believe in all that stuff, but I'm also in no
Speaker 1: way saying I don't believe in it to the point
Speaker 1: where I think about it. And I know that some
Speaker 1: people who play with spirit boards and things, um, and
Speaker 1: they have like pictures of the kind they want. It's
Speaker 1: just like this Eastern European really old Gothic style one.
Speaker 1: I know people who use it. You always hear stories
Speaker 1: like they get like maybe entities attached to them or
Speaker 1: something like that, and it never ends. Well. But what
Speaker 1: about the person who's like the carpenter who just makes it.
Speaker 1: I mean, if they're not using it, they're not playing
Speaker 1: with it, they're not trying to talk to anybody or
Speaker 1: communicate with anything. I guess my question is if you
Speaker 1: were my position, would you just say stop overthinking this
Speaker 1: and go ahead and take the job because I could
Speaker 1: definitely use the cash. Uh it does sound like kind
Speaker 1: of a cool project. Or would you be thinking why
Speaker 1: on earth? This is? Like? Is it okay to work
Speaker 1: to build the Death Star? Well? I get blown up.
Speaker 1: This is my favorite question. Good. I just I wanted
Speaker 1: to start by saying I love that his question isn't
Speaker 1: should I unleash the forces of darkness on our realm?
Speaker 1: But well, I personally be in trouble. It's not like
Speaker 1: should I do it? It's like, I mean, I do it,
Speaker 1: But yeah, what are they going to come at me?
Speaker 1: Is it okay to build the Death Star if you're
Speaker 1: just a contract worker, if you're just trying to feed
Speaker 1: your family, yeah, just trying to send your kids. I'm
Speaker 1: going to play Devil's advocate, no pun intended. Well, what
Speaker 1: if what if the Spirits have something? First of all,
Speaker 1: has the case been solved? Right? So if it hasn't
Speaker 1: been solved, could this be a way to crack the case,
Speaker 1: in which case you might be doing something good by
Speaker 1: making crack the case with the classics, well regarded way
Speaker 1: of solving murders. Absolutely, they have mediums for this. It's
Speaker 1: not just any weigi board. It's a sacred plantchet. I
Speaker 1: think maybe it's not okay to build the Death Star. Really,
Speaker 1: I just decided, I mean, you know what the project,
Speaker 1: you know it's about, if you know, yeah, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. But I don't think. I don't think
Speaker 1: they told every like everything you know, every like person
Speaker 1: on the Death Star, like so we're building as like
Speaker 1: Devil in the White Castle. It's about the America's first
Speaker 1: serial killer. He like, uh, made a murder mansion. Are
Speaker 1: you talking about Devil in the White State? Sorry? What
Speaker 1: I call it? Devil in the White Castle? Old from
Speaker 1: the middle of the Burgers. Somebody told me, what not
Speaker 1: the ones you get at the supermarket and microwaves was
Speaker 1: like a whole stamped out. Yeah, the day we should
Speaker 1: do a reappreciation of Harold and Kumar go to White
Speaker 1: Castle because we just had two thousand and eight week.
Speaker 1: What year was that was like two thousand four, I think, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: they were going to go on to Ambay and that
Speaker 1: right right right in the White Oh. It was a
Speaker 1: guy who built a murder a murder mansion in Chicago
Speaker 1: during the Chicago World's Fair and then murdered tourists basically
Speaker 1: who came to check They checked in, but they didn't
Speaker 1: check out. But the way he was able to build it,
Speaker 1: because I had all these terrifying trapdoors and stuff to
Speaker 1: murder basement, it was that he hired like a million
Speaker 1: different contractors to do it and didn't tell any of
Speaker 1: them what they were doing, and didn't tell them about
Speaker 1: each other. So they like built a house that made
Speaker 1: no sense, basically without knowing what they were doing, but
Speaker 1: each doing a tiny part. Ye, what do you guys think?
Speaker 1: How much? How much? I need to know how much?
Speaker 1: He didn't say. And it's bothering me so much. Not
Speaker 1: retirement money means that he's not being offered what would
Speaker 1: retirement money? Well, so they're kids, I thought their kids,
Speaker 1: So how are they catting their kids? I think they're
Speaker 1: like you. I was kind of thinking it was like
Speaker 1: nineteen year olds. I'm sorry those are those are not kids,
Speaker 1: but we're talking about adult how old I need all
Speaker 1: the true I honestly don't see the problem with doing it. Wow,
Speaker 1: I don't, because I mean the kind of murderer the
Speaker 1: murderer has not has It's like not like there it's
Speaker 1: an open case, still, is it? Like That's what I'm wondering.
Speaker 1: Probably not. Let me just take this monkey paw. Nothing
Speaker 1: that will happen, Well, I don't think that anything bad
Speaker 1: will happen to him. I don't. I'm not quite sure.
Speaker 1: Like I don't think that. I don't think the theft
Speaker 1: of the wood is like something that's gonna fuck anybody up, though,
Speaker 1: like it's they're probably gonna just end up tearing down
Speaker 1: the house anyway, and something's going to be built there
Speaker 1: on that spot regardless, Like I mean, somebody will move
Speaker 1: into the cursed house, or they'll tear down the cursed house,
Speaker 1: and somebody will live on the cursed land. It's like
Speaker 1: there's no way to realize, Like it's like you can't
Speaker 1: get rid of styrofoam or something. It's like right right,
Speaker 1: and and as Carpel pointed out, all all land as
Speaker 1: cursed in America, all houses are made of haunted wood. Yes,
Speaker 1: So yeah, I don't I don't see in the scheme,
Speaker 1: in the spiritual scheme of things. I don't see why
Speaker 1: this would be any worse than what if your objection
Speaker 1: is it's tasteless, It's not. It's actually cool, fe okay.
Speaker 1: But like when like remember there was like a time
Speaker 1: period when Trent Rosner had like the house the door
Speaker 1: from the Celo Drive house, the Manson murder House. He
Speaker 1: did what was he doing? He was it was a
Speaker 1: door in his house. He was he purchased it and
Speaker 1: put it in his studio and it had like it
Speaker 1: had had pig and stuff written on it in blood
Speaker 1: and then he later like renounced having done it. I
Speaker 1: was like, you know what's interesting about that is that
Speaker 1: I was like that thing I said about it being
Speaker 1: cool as ship was based on this is my whole
Speaker 1: actually thing with true crime stuff anyway. It's like that
Speaker 1: joke was based on the idea that it was just
Speaker 1: this murder. But then as soon as you mentioned this
Speaker 1: yellow house and like a name and face was on it,
Speaker 1: then I was like, oh, my word, that's so tasteless. Like,
Speaker 1: but also I think in that case, that's like using
Speaker 1: it purely as decoration or some kind of trophy from
Speaker 1: a scene of atrocity or like a horrible murder. How
Speaker 1: is that different than this? Though, well, I I don't
Speaker 1: feel like it's like they're not going to hang it
Speaker 1: up in their house or something like. But also like
Speaker 1: what was the murder that I think also matters? The
Speaker 1: details murder would make this okay like some somebody like
Speaker 1: killing their abuse of husband, Okay, yeah, a more ambivalent.
Speaker 1: You know, it's just like if but he said it
Speaker 1: was like, I mean, I think he would have said
Speaker 1: he knows about the crime the caller and so he
Speaker 1: said it was like horrible and gall like he would
Speaker 1: have been like it was bloody and like it was
Speaker 1: real bad like this, this is the murder that you
Speaker 1: root for if you're like what if kids were like murdered?
Speaker 1: Like it's just well the listen though, is what's his
Speaker 1: culpability though? If he's a woodworker, Like, first of all,
Speaker 1: say that the whole house is going to be torn
Speaker 1: down and the wood is going to be destroyed, is
Speaker 1: that necessarily better? Like if you're destroying the house that
Speaker 1: bears witness to whatever horrible event happened, like, are you
Speaker 1: then at risk for also getting evil spirits on you?
Speaker 1: I think? So that's really what his concern is. He's
Speaker 1: in the c y A situation. He's really just like
Speaker 1: are the spirits going to bother me? I just feel
Speaker 1: like if anything bad, if I were him and I
Speaker 1: did it, I like made peace with whatever and was
Speaker 1: like I'm just gonna do it because it'll be an amazing,
Speaker 1: beautiful Regia board and they'll make you know, I'll make
Speaker 1: some money. Like if anything bad ever happened to me
Speaker 1: ever again, I'd be like because I made that Regia bar,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like if you got sick,
Speaker 1: you'd be like because I have a great idea. Can
Speaker 1: I say, what if he takes it to a like
Speaker 1: spiritual you know, if that's what they want, they want
Speaker 1: them and have to tell them because then he's released
Speaker 1: the spirit to the next realm, Right if we take
Speaker 1: it and saved the world from the spirit like being
Speaker 1: in trench. The issue, and the more we talk about
Speaker 1: this issue is less like our spirits going to come
Speaker 1: and have their revenge on the woodworker and more like
Speaker 1: is the woodworker going to feel ashamed of himself for
Speaker 1: the rest of his life? No, he specifically said he
Speaker 1: doesn't want a spirit like clinging to him. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: I feel like you're having a hard time with the
Speaker 1: spirit thing because you're in New York, whereas we're having
Speaker 1: an easy time with the spirit thing because we're all
Speaker 1: in California. All that kind of should happens all the time.
Speaker 1: I mean, So if I have to make a final
Speaker 1: if we have to make a final call, I would
Speaker 1: probably I would probably say it's okay to make this,
Speaker 1: assuming that the premise of the question is lesas I understood,
Speaker 1: it is like our spirits going to come after me
Speaker 1: if I make this, and which I think is a
Speaker 1: little bit of a selfish telling. It should be like,
Speaker 1: am I going to unleash darkness into the world? And
Speaker 1: I think that, um, that the point you bring up
Speaker 1: is right, that like, maybe maybe this is good. Maybe
Speaker 1: this is assuming that spirits are there, Maybe this is
Speaker 1: a good thing. I think I should go ahead and
Speaker 1: make the wigeboard can just play a lot. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: agree it for some important bad energy. Clearly, it's maybe
Speaker 1: this is the only way that the victims will be
Speaker 1: able to That's what I'm saying. This is allows the
Speaker 1: victims to come through. That's not why they want it.
Speaker 1: They just want to spooky from bab. You've never seen Poulder, guys,
Speaker 1: I mean root corded come into the light, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is a real Poulter Guist moment. It is best
Speaker 1: keep us updated. Don't where we are yea, yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: just saying this is Yeah. Now you guys are all
Speaker 1: you guys are you all said the spirits could come
Speaker 1: follow you and I said no, I remember that. I said,
Speaker 1: now if your spirit follow us on Twitter. Oh yeah.
Speaker 1: And also the line is always open for spirits. If
Speaker 1: you'd like to give us your night call, please give
Speaker 1: us a call at to four oh four six night,
Speaker 1: or you can email us at Nightcall Podcast at gmail
Speaker 1: dot com. We also have an announcement to make. Uh.
Speaker 1: We're going to be having a live show in Los
Speaker 1: Angeles for those of our Night Call listeners that are
Speaker 1: listening from l a UM. No ghosts though, no ghosts please,
Speaker 1: no ghosts. But on September five at one of the
Speaker 1: one of the most controversial pronunciations in Los Angeles. But
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with hey, uh, they called it takes
Speaker 1: when I called takes takes that takes there there are
Speaker 1: articles about how to pronounce it. It's t a i X.
Speaker 1: It's the French restaurant in Echo Park. You know what
Speaker 1: you love it um On September five at a p m.
Speaker 1: We're gonna have a little live show there banquet, dinner, banquet.
Speaker 1: We'll be announcing more details on all our socials and yeah,
Speaker 1: and then there will also be an after party and
Speaker 1: some merch and some merchase that it'll be a big
Speaker 1: night Call night people meet up and we would love
Speaker 1: to see you there. You can make shadow shadow people
Speaker 1: are allowed. Also, can we please talk about the Devil's
Speaker 1: three way just for like five minutes, just as a
Speaker 1: palate cleanser. Yeah, we just off to al Right, Tess,
Speaker 1: you've got feelings? Well, okay, it's this may be old
Speaker 1: news when you're listening to this podcast. But over the
Speaker 1: past couple of weeks there's been a lot of stuff
Speaker 1: happening with Elon Musk. It started off on August seven
Speaker 1: when he tweeted that he was taking the company private
Speaker 1: and that they had secured funding. That turned out to
Speaker 1: not be entirely true. And then Azalea Banks entered the
Speaker 1: picture and took to her Instagram stories. Was a really
Speaker 1: crazy tale that I did not know whether to believe.
Speaker 1: And now I feel bad because it's maybe more true
Speaker 1: than I thought. But basically, I mean, Molly, do you
Speaker 1: want to weigh in with what happened? It's a complicated story.
Speaker 1: She was posting on Instagram stories that she was at
Speaker 1: Elon Musk's giant mansion complex, which is five mansions in
Speaker 1: bell Air musta five mansions connected together. She was there
Speaker 1: because Grimes and she was supposed to be collaborating on
Speaker 1: something they announced in June and Times was like, come
Speaker 1: out to Ellen's mansion and we'll record something on this weekend.
Speaker 1: But then I guess she was like oops, Ellen and
Speaker 1: I are going out of town. Yes, Grimes like stood
Speaker 1: her up, but was like, just stay at the mansion.
Speaker 1: It seems like just hang out, which I think like
Speaker 1: from other Azalia Banks stories, this happens to Azalia Banks
Speaker 1: a lot. Is that she gets asked to do a
Speaker 1: feature on something because she had another story about how
Speaker 1: she was supposed to record with Rihanna, and Rihanna like
Speaker 1: kept her waiting all day and was like eating food
Speaker 1: in front of her but didn't offer her any and
Speaker 1: she was mad about it. In everyone's defense, I think
Speaker 1: this is actually a pretty common thing among the super
Speaker 1: wealthy and rich, and everyone like goes and talks about
Speaker 1: it publicly. No, I think I think all the things
Speaker 1: she was saying we're true. She has a lot of
Speaker 1: stories where you're like, this seems like it's so specific,
Speaker 1: like the Russell Crow story where which was whip, which
Speaker 1: was like of course, like people are like, but nobody
Speaker 1: wants to defend Azalea Banks really, because she also has
Speaker 1: said some really horrible and by all accounts, she gets
Speaker 1: like either drunk or just upset. This was the thing
Speaker 1: when she told this whole story on Instagram stories. But
Speaker 1: there was like no pictures that proved it. She was
Speaker 1: just like taking pictures of the ground, which was the
Speaker 1: most evocative things she could have done. She was taking
Speaker 1: pictures of like her iPhone charger in the wall. It
Speaker 1: was like it was very like help, help, I can't
Speaker 1: look like I'm using my phone right now, type of
Speaker 1: paring it to get out because she felt trapped inside.
Speaker 1: I said it was like ex mockin a because it
Speaker 1: is you know. And also something about a house that
Speaker 1: big is like so scary, like nobody needs a house
Speaker 1: that big. Well, I guess they offered that she could
Speaker 1: stay in like the guest house, but she was kind
Speaker 1: of roaming around a bit, and she was she was
Speaker 1: saying that Ellen was tweeting and you know, while he
Speaker 1: was on acting and all the time tweeting and tweaken. Yeah.
Speaker 1: She said that she basically was just like Elon Muskin
Speaker 1: Grimes were like doing so much acid that they like
Speaker 1: you know, are losing their ship and they're just like
Speaker 1: doing all this acid together in this bel Air mansion stories.
Speaker 1: But she also breaks the story that he doesn't have
Speaker 1: funding like that. She said that on her she was like,
Speaker 1: he didn't I heard him on the phone. He doesn't
Speaker 1: have funding, Yeah, like scrambling. She was like, he's too
Speaker 1: dumb to know not to tweet on acid. And then
Speaker 1: after a while, after enough time being there, she starts
Speaker 1: to suspect that she was just brought there for some
Speaker 1: kind of weird threesome that they ended, which she was, Oh, absolutely,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that that's not true. I'm just saying
Speaker 1: that she starts to catch on that that was probably
Speaker 1: She caught on that that was probably what was happening.
Speaker 1: She posted what we're supposedly text from Grimes that seemed
Speaker 1: everybody was like describing is really texts like that, and
Speaker 1: people were posting her tweets being like, I mean, this
Speaker 1: is how she tweets, so like, it doesn't seem that weird,
Speaker 1: especially if everybody's on a lot of acid all the time.
Speaker 1: The part of this story that's so weird that I
Speaker 1: can't even really like verify that. I'm not making it up,
Speaker 1: but I don't think I am is that they were
Speaker 1: all eating dipping dots. Know that part right verified it
Speaker 1: because I was like, we came of the future. Grimes
Speaker 1: would totally be like, let's get some dippin' dots because
Speaker 1: it's the ice cream of the nineties from exactly. But
Speaker 1: that's like they'd both be like, we love the future,
Speaker 1: the idea of doing acid and then being like, great,
Speaker 1: now it's time for Twitter and dipping docks, doing doing
Speaker 1: like having so much money and all the good drugs
Speaker 1: and being like, let's sit around on Twitter like what
Speaker 1: and I let's do some painful ice cream. These are
Speaker 1: genuses of our time. They're like, just go on Twitter
Speaker 1: on acid. Um, it just was a you know, just
Speaker 1: send Anna Biller over there to just shoot this. I know.
Speaker 1: Also just the breaking news of today, which again is
Speaker 1: a week ago for you. But it's important that you
Speaker 1: realize that this has all led to some unfollows between
Speaker 1: crimes on Instagram. They don't follow each other, they followed
Speaker 1: each other each other. Do you think that they did
Speaker 1: they break up? What we're wanting to cut posed the
Speaker 1: question is this the end of Grimes? And Elon I
Speaker 1: knew it should be. We were never about that. It
Speaker 1: was a summer romance. It was a summer nightmare. I
Speaker 1: don't know that. I mean, I believe in giving people
Speaker 1: a lot of leeway for bad dating decisions, because one
Speaker 1: of my theories is that everyone dates badly, And I
Speaker 1: dare anyone to doubt that. And every person knows deep
Speaker 1: in their heart that they've dated badly at some point.
Speaker 1: But I almost feel like, like choosing to date Elon
Speaker 1: Musk is a thing you should never recover from. She
Speaker 1: can't come back from the thank you as Elia Banks
Speaker 1: for bringing down the Evil Empire at least um that
Speaker 1: was a good move. But that was the thing too.
Speaker 1: It's just absolutely Elon Musk's thing. You know, his like
Speaker 1: rep denied it and then he like confirmed it, which
Speaker 1: is also like, why are you trying to make her
Speaker 1: look like a crazy liar? Also the qualifier of like
Speaker 1: I just finished working out s Look I'm not doing
Speaker 1: us and needing dip in dollars, I'm working out. Look
Speaker 1: at what a nut job this person is. That people
Speaker 1: are project acting like authority and genius onto and like,
Speaker 1: but this isn't the thing I love about this story
Speaker 1: on a deeper level. Maybe it's not even deeper, it's
Speaker 1: just the level of the stories that this is so
Speaker 1: entirely within the ethos of Silicon Valley. Like this idea
Speaker 1: that like people imbue these like basic dudes with like
Speaker 1: some kind of power and authority because they have this money,
Speaker 1: but then when you see their daily inner workings. Also,
Speaker 1: as a Zilia, Banks pointed out, his money all comes
Speaker 1: from like apartheid diamonds, Like that's why he's a rich
Speaker 1: person who was able to start a company in the
Speaker 1: first his his bootstrap story. But it's very no, he's
Speaker 1: like from like because I was doing jokes a while
Speaker 1: ago about how his dad was John Houston in Chinatown,
Speaker 1: and then I saw a picture of his dad and
Speaker 1: his dad looks just like John Houston and then married
Speaker 1: his stepdaughter, which was what he and Elon Musk fell
Speaker 1: out over. It was because Elon Musk was like, my
Speaker 1: dad and I don't talk. He did something very bad.
Speaker 1: He knows what it is. And then it came out
Speaker 1: that it was like he married a step was one
Speaker 1: of his stepchildren. So wow, super cool family. The problem
Speaker 1: is nothing can stay funny and everything has to get
Speaker 1: dark seconds, just the reality of this moment. So and
Speaker 1: this one, people are are like. People are defenders of
Speaker 1: Banks in this one right because this is like a
Speaker 1: really big step towards her public rehabilitation. Well, based on
Speaker 1: based on her social interactions over the past few years,
Speaker 1: I would not invite her over for a weekend because
Speaker 1: she just sounds like she gets drunk and super angry.
Speaker 1: But I'm like really happy that she's been vindicated. Also
Speaker 1: because everyone always calls her a liar, like she's she
Speaker 1: was telling like a like a twisted fairy tale. It's like,
Speaker 1: I'm in this mansion with these crazy people, and I'm
Speaker 1: realizing that this collaboration is like not a thing I'm
Speaker 1: trying to do. Um, it was really good content. We'll
Speaker 1: check back on this story because it's I love this Sure,
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