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<v Speaker 1>you're listening tonight Call. Hello everybody, and welcome to Night Call.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Molly Lambert and with me in Los Angeles is

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<v Speaker 1>Tess Lynch and our special guest Carvel Wallace and joining

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<v Speaker 1>us in New York as always, Emily y Ashida Carvel.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Nightcall. Carvel is on a podcast called Closer

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<v Speaker 1>Than They Appear on the al Ja zero podcast network

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<v Speaker 1>and works for The New York Times as a writer.

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<v Speaker 1>And I also do the Slate parenting podcast Mom and

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<v Speaker 1>Dad Are Fighting. It was a great podcast title. It is.

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<v Speaker 1>It just makes it. The problem is that we have

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<v Speaker 1>to fight every episode otherwise, no deal. It doesn't deliver

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<v Speaker 1>if you don't. Emily, Welcome back from New England. Thanks.

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<v Speaker 1>I was in New England. I I want everybody to

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<v Speaker 1>know that I went to New England and I came

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<v Speaker 1>back and it was okay, and there was nothing to

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<v Speaker 1>be afraid of Um, have you never been there before? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>I had, so I went. I went to the Cape,

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<v Speaker 1>which I cannot say without making a funny face. When

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<v Speaker 1>we were talking about we were talking about the Cape

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<v Speaker 1>before we started recording. Um, we weren't going to talk

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<v Speaker 1>today about sharks. The end of summer seems like the

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<v Speaker 1>time to talk about sharks. And then we're gonna take

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<v Speaker 1>a question about a haunted piece of wood that spoilers

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<v Speaker 1>what are you doing? Sorry, it's spoiler. It's not spoilers

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<v Speaker 1>that it's a haunted piece of what the spoilers what

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<v Speaker 1>there might do with it. That's true, that's true. And

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<v Speaker 1>then we're gonna talk about the Elon Musk Grimes, Azalia

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<v Speaker 1>Banks uh situation. So guys, what do you what are

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<v Speaker 1>you feeling about sharks right now? Well, everybody seen the

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<v Speaker 1>Meg No, we were talking about it, we were. Tessa

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<v Speaker 1>was looking up the credits of the director and saw

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<v Speaker 1>that he directed three Ninjas and cool Runnings Ding ding ding. Uh, Emily,

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<v Speaker 1>did you see the Meg? I did. I had to

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<v Speaker 1>see the meg for work I got I got paid

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<v Speaker 1>by my employer to see the mag I'd see the Meg. Um. No,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not it's really bad. I think I think that

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<v Speaker 1>this movie like started out like the first Whenever the

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<v Speaker 1>first trailer dropped for it, everybody was like, oh, cool

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<v Speaker 1>Judge movie with Jason Stu the minute, and then I

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<v Speaker 1>think the second trailer jobs and I think they had

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<v Speaker 1>caught on too. Maybe whatever Camp be Vie people were

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<v Speaker 1>assigning to this film, and so I just decided to

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<v Speaker 1>try to market It's like a giant shark and Jason

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<v Speaker 1>Statham work camp now, yeah, become really camp. I was

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<v Speaker 1>going to say, is it all past after Shark Nato?

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<v Speaker 1>But they're like, we have a bigger shark, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think the shark in the movie is supposed to be

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<v Speaker 1>seventy five ft long. Well, I was going to say,

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<v Speaker 1>the reason I thought this might be like a real

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<v Speaker 1>shark movie is because it's based on the other novel

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<v Speaker 1>by the guy who wrote Jaws. Yeah, that's about a

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<v Speaker 1>megalodon shark. That's like the sequel to Jaws where it's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>you thought Jaws was scary, check out a really ancient Jaws.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, the title of the book is meg

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<v Speaker 1>A Novel of Deep Terror. It feels like shade at

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<v Speaker 1>somebody like that. The author knew whose name was Meg. Meg.

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<v Speaker 1>I like calling a megalodon shark Meg. It's like a

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<v Speaker 1>name do it as the Meg in the film. But

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<v Speaker 1>the thing about the film is that, contrary to its

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<v Speaker 1>second round of marketing, it is a pretty straightforward shark

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<v Speaker 1>movie with a heavy Chinese finance influence in it. Um

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<v Speaker 1>And one of the cool things about that, one of

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<v Speaker 1>the only cool things about that, similar to Pacific Rim

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<v Speaker 1>Too Uprising, which came out earlier this year, it's like

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<v Speaker 1>this weird loophole that like gives you, um, like Asian

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<v Speaker 1>female actors and like key roles and dumb action movies. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>that's sounds Actually you're making a great argument for the Meg,

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<v Speaker 1>don't you. Like, Well, no, it's I mean, it's just boring.

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<v Speaker 1>Like there aren't that many good I wanted more shark

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<v Speaker 1>centric centerpieces. There's like one really really amazing one where um,

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<v Speaker 1>like the female protagonists like gets lowered into the shark

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<v Speaker 1>tank and then like all held breaks loose. Um that

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I don't even know how to describe,

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<v Speaker 1>but um, she gets lower it into the shark tank.

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<v Speaker 1>One of those shark tanks that like you lower you

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<v Speaker 1>you're lower Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, um, with like a

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<v Speaker 1>hole so that she can shoot a poison dart at

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<v Speaker 1>the meg and then it doesn't go as planned, and

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<v Speaker 1>uh it ends up like the shark grabs the thing

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<v Speaker 1>and the whole boat tips over because it's attached to

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<v Speaker 1>the cage, and it's just like this weird you're really

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<v Speaker 1>selling us, though, I swear to God that I just

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<v Speaker 1>sweared the I just I just spoiled the only good

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<v Speaker 1>thing about it because it's really long, and um, it

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't It's yeah, it doesn't deliver that much on shark hijanks,

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<v Speaker 1>but like neither does Jaws. And that's why I guess

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<v Speaker 1>Jaws is about like corrupt local infrastructure. Yeah, Jaws is

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<v Speaker 1>like a metaphor for something. It was also the first time.

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<v Speaker 1>It was also like the first of its kind right

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<v Speaker 1>right at the time. I had never seen it until

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<v Speaker 1>not that long ago. Yeah, yeah, that's why I has

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<v Speaker 1>I still haven't seen Jaws. Oh my god, film critics

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<v Speaker 1>spoiler Jaws is amazing, and I begrudgingly was like, I

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<v Speaker 1>guess I see why this made Spielberg a huge director

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<v Speaker 1>and also like ended the good seventies in movies that

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<v Speaker 1>I ed, you know, like it's not Jaws's fault. Much

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<v Speaker 1>like in the movie, It's not Jaws's fault. I saw

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<v Speaker 1>Jaws when I was so little, and I just actually

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<v Speaker 1>tried to sell my kids on watching Jaws, because I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, why would you do that. I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>wat kids should not watch Jaws. Well, there, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's good to have all life fear at the ocean. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean people people in that generation had fears of oceans, pools, toilets,

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<v Speaker 1>glasses of water like it was. It was, it permeated.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, there were so many rip offs. Like when

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<v Speaker 1>I was a kid, I remember seeing a TV movie

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<v Speaker 1>that was ripped off of that called Orca, and it

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<v Speaker 1>was about a killer that was like it was like

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<v Speaker 1>a made for TV movies, like a whale with a vendetta.

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<v Speaker 1>And I vividly remember being a kid and lying in

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<v Speaker 1>bed and being terrified that a killer whales was going

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<v Speaker 1>to just burst through the door. It was free, free willy.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't have their positive. It was all negative was

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<v Speaker 1>a negative. By the time I think we were kids,

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<v Speaker 1>it was there was a lot of like a big

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<v Speaker 1>push of like sharks and awareness like they're not all

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<v Speaker 1>predators who want to kill you like that, right, Let's

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<v Speaker 1>see sharks. Sharks aren't as smart as whales, so in

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<v Speaker 1>a way, like a whale with a vendetta makes more

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<v Speaker 1>sense than sharks are just kind of like reptile brain

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<v Speaker 1>like exactly, but that's what makes them so spooky. But

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<v Speaker 1>whales could like dress up. Is like your mom could

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<v Speaker 1>really work a whole drift and then kill you. The

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<v Speaker 1>craziest thing about whales to me is that they were

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<v Speaker 1>on land before Wait wait what yeah, yeah, they were

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<v Speaker 1>like a creature on land, like yeah, the opposite work. No,

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<v Speaker 1>what are you talking about? Talk about evolution, like all

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<v Speaker 1>mammals that are sea mammals once land mammals, A lot

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<v Speaker 1>of them, No, mostly mostly the other way around. But okay,

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<v Speaker 1>let's fact check this. But what you're suggesting, just to

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<v Speaker 1>clarify your claim here is that is that whales used

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<v Speaker 1>to be land mammals that descended into the sea as

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<v Speaker 1>opposed to the other way around, which is what everything

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<v Speaker 1>you fact check this, Yeah, i'll do it. Talk amongst yourself, well,

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<v Speaker 1>thing I've I've noticed about shark movies because UM on

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<v Speaker 1>our on our website, UM Charles Born Musco did a

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<v Speaker 1>list of all the the greatest shark movies, and I

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<v Speaker 1>was looking just at the images of them, and I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like half of the reason that shark movies became

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<v Speaker 1>a thing, or became a sub genre, is just that

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<v Speaker 1>sharks already look so fake, Like before you make a

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<v Speaker 1>fake prosthetic shark, like so frestionless puppets. They're prehistoric looking.

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<v Speaker 1>They are like you can kind of just like turn

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<v Speaker 1>a honk of of plastic into a shark. Not that

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<v Speaker 1>hard guys have got an update, Okay, test all right,

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<v Speaker 1>So this is from the Berkeley website. These first whales,

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<v Speaker 1>such as pack acetes, where typical land animals. They had

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<v Speaker 1>long skulls and large carnivorous teeth. From the outside, they

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<v Speaker 1>don't look much like whales at all. However, their skulls,

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<v Speaker 1>particularly in the ear region, which is surrounded by a

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<v Speaker 1>bony wall, strongly resemble those of living whales and are

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<v Speaker 1>unlike those of any other mammal. That's what I am

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<v Speaker 1>talking about. It wasn't crazy, it's incredibly creepy. Also like

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<v Speaker 1>we are lucky that whales don't have vendettas against humans. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>they're somewhat related to hippo's like if you go back

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<v Speaker 1>far enough, but then a certain point they diverge. Hips

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<v Speaker 1>are angry and not smart, but hippos were chill and

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<v Speaker 1>cute and scary. They're cute and scary. They're kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like hungry hungry always in the movie. First guys, what

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<v Speaker 1>about a Hungry Hungry Hippos movie. That's probably already I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure that's been green. I'm sure that's in development. Doungle

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<v Speaker 1>Cruise movie. Yeah, the Rock when they made the when

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<v Speaker 1>they whenever they bought up all those games, like when

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<v Speaker 1>they movie. Yeah, yeah, the Monopottle movie could be incredible.

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<v Speaker 1>I would write the Monopoly movie. That would be dope.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to see I want to I want to

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<v Speaker 1>see the Operation movie with them. Yeah, I've watched The

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<v Speaker 1>Rock in all of those like connect for with the Rock,

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<v Speaker 1>The Rock, I don't. I don't like the camp of

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<v Speaker 1>people though, but I am over the Rock. I will

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<v Speaker 1>I will put I'll put in that language. I'm over

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<v Speaker 1>the Rock and he's had enough. Yeah, I'm on with

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<v Speaker 1>his like weird fake not quite campaign posturing and he's

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<v Speaker 1>like a total Republican and I don't know, and he

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<v Speaker 1>he like used like a weird homophobic insults against Ven

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<v Speaker 1>Diesel when they were fighting, and I don't know, right

0:14:16.520 --> 0:14:20.120
<v Speaker 1>him and Vin Diesel was was an interesting were fighting

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<v Speaker 1>the scenes they are still fighting, Like what's the cliffs

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<v Speaker 1>notes of that? For I mean, it's just like too

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<v Speaker 1>like two huge egos in one room, I think, And

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<v Speaker 1>I think I think he's I think that Ven Diesel

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<v Speaker 1>is like a more I think he's more of an

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<v Speaker 1>introvert a heart and I think I think the Rock

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<v Speaker 1>is more just like a Grand Standard. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>that well he's a wrestler. Come on, yeah, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean like it, it makes sense. But I think

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<v Speaker 1>I think that the to those two big personalities on

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<v Speaker 1>a on a single franchise, it was it was a

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<v Speaker 1>tough mix. Well, everyone's just one Giant Shark movie away

0:14:57.560 --> 0:15:01.360
<v Speaker 1>from being back back in America's heart. But speaking of

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<v Speaker 1>and Diesel, one of the things that if you haven't

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<v Speaker 1>seen Ven Diesel's breakdance videos, oh yeah, everyone should. I

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<v Speaker 1>just want to make sure that everyone knows about that

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<v Speaker 1>Ven Diesel has like a secret like eighties like art career.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah right, yeah, he was like a lower He was

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<v Speaker 1>like breakdance meets art. He was a bouncer. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>that's not surprising that he made this like art film

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<v Speaker 1>about how he could play any race. That was like

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<v Speaker 1>about like, yeah, he was like exploring the like the

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<v Speaker 1>just like the mechanisms of racial ambiguity in Hollywood. It

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<v Speaker 1>was yeah, it was. It was weird, I mean hestally

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<v Speaker 1>like some video art. Yeah, but he was doing his thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Um but I also I don't know, the rock is

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<v Speaker 1>just he loves his mom. I don't know. I can't.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree with you, I guarantee you. And Diesel loves

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<v Speaker 1>his mom too. Okay, Yeah, who would have thought that

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<v Speaker 1>the millionaire bodybuilder who preach itself about all the time

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<v Speaker 1>we had to be Republican? What are the odds? I

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<v Speaker 1>was just still stuck on that he was like a

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<v Speaker 1>Horatio Alger story of like a wrestler who became like

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<v Speaker 1>a like an actor, a famous actor. I don't know

0:16:07.000 --> 0:16:09.600
<v Speaker 1>that that's the Horatio Alger story, but to me, I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, this is an improvement on like Schwarzenegger, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>who was probably an improvement on Schwarzenegger, but he's still

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<v Speaker 1>in the Schwarzenegger camp. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know it's

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<v Speaker 1>a variational the Schwarzeneger. And then Vin Diesel is more

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<v Speaker 1>of like a stallone. He's got the heart of gold.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that is a I think that is a

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<v Speaker 1>fair comparison. Yeah, yeah, that work. What do you guys

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<v Speaker 1>think are going to be the next big like scary

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<v Speaker 1>sea animal or just land animal that people are talking

0:16:37.200 --> 0:16:40.480
<v Speaker 1>about of land whales now that every land wales. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I would love to go back to the prehistory. If

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<v Speaker 1>we're going back to Megalodon's like, let's go back to

0:16:45.360 --> 0:16:48.680
<v Speaker 1>the land whales. You know what's scary, Well, this goes

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<v Speaker 1>back to the Cape Um. I spent some time on

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<v Speaker 1>on a farm in the Cape. Those who follow my

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<v Speaker 1>Instagram stories might have seen that I saw the baby

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<v Speaker 1>are not what was scary. What was scary was turkey

0:17:02.880 --> 0:17:07.280
<v Speaker 1>Turkey's Yes, that's what I was hoping you would say,

0:17:07.280 --> 0:17:09.720
<v Speaker 1>because that's basically what I was going to say. They

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<v Speaker 1>are tar pits, And yes, I went to the Librea

0:17:12.840 --> 0:17:14.840
<v Speaker 1>tar pits and they which I just hadn't been in

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<v Speaker 1>a while, and a lot of that stuff that they

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<v Speaker 1>have is like giant floths and stuff where you're like, man,

0:17:20.440 --> 0:17:22.400
<v Speaker 1>these things are also cool. And then I've been watching

0:17:22.400 --> 0:17:24.399
<v Speaker 1>that David Attenbrushow that's all like the ones that are

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<v Speaker 1>left just got really small. You know. There's all these

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<v Speaker 1>things that used to be big and are small and

0:17:30.040 --> 0:17:32.840
<v Speaker 1>basically they're just like birds are just like small dinosaurs

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<v Speaker 1>that became small. Uh, And I just couldn't stop talking

0:17:36.359 --> 0:17:39.000
<v Speaker 1>about it. I was like, look, the birds are dinosaurs.

0:17:39.000 --> 0:17:43.080
<v Speaker 1>The dinosaurs to survive just became small and they're all

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<v Speaker 1>around us. There isn't inherent hard to turkeys. And in fact,

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<v Speaker 1>there's an episode of Bob's Burgers that explores the horror

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<v Speaker 1>of rasters, like when you posted that thing, because you

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<v Speaker 1>posted like a hundred of them in a pen, and

0:17:56.320 --> 0:17:58.879
<v Speaker 1>it was like it was sort of like and like

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<v Speaker 1>I hadn't experienced so the turkey vulture Earlier this summer

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<v Speaker 1>where I was on a beach like my boyfriend and

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<v Speaker 1>I like walked down into a sort of like remote

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<v Speaker 1>beach on the Central coast and there were these turkey

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<v Speaker 1>vultures flying overhead that like we tried to get closer

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<v Speaker 1>to them, and they like wouldn't They were like, get

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<v Speaker 1>the hell out of here. Yeah, they were I think

0:18:18.040 --> 0:18:20.840
<v Speaker 1>maybe defending a nest or something vocal their vocal, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's like I also didn't know that they wouldn't attack

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<v Speaker 1>a human, but you know, they were like circling over us,

0:18:24.640 --> 0:18:26.680
<v Speaker 1>and I was like, they could just funk us up

0:18:26.680 --> 0:18:29.680
<v Speaker 1>so much if they wanted to have. You guys seen

0:18:29.720 --> 0:18:35.680
<v Speaker 1>turkeys like regular turkeys, not turkey vultures fly. Oh my god. No, Yeah,

0:18:36.400 --> 0:18:38.960
<v Speaker 1>they lived there wilding. In a lot of parts in

0:18:38.960 --> 0:18:41.680
<v Speaker 1>New England they're wild. So where my parents live, there

0:18:41.720 --> 0:18:45.359
<v Speaker 1>are wild turkeys every whether they're huge, they're gigantic. And

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<v Speaker 1>one time our dog brought she was a retriever and

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<v Speaker 1>she brought us a turkey egg and once the dog

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<v Speaker 1>touches the nest, the you know, grown up turkeys won't

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<v Speaker 1>take care of them. So we got we found all

0:18:56.160 --> 0:18:58.439
<v Speaker 1>the eggs. We put them in an incubator and we

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<v Speaker 1>incubated them forever, was like weeks and weeks of incubating them,

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<v Speaker 1>and then we had a power outage and we've been

0:19:03.640 --> 0:19:05.920
<v Speaker 1>looking through them with flashlights and we can see them growing.

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<v Speaker 1>And during the power outage, they all they all died.

0:19:09.280 --> 0:19:10.960
<v Speaker 1>But we didn't know whether to throw them away, so

0:19:11.000 --> 0:19:12.480
<v Speaker 1>we kept them for a bit to be like maybe

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<v Speaker 1>the hatch, and then it was just disgusting. But on

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<v Speaker 1>the plus side, you know they're mean birds, and then

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<v Speaker 1>if you raise them, who knows what You're going to

0:19:26.240 --> 0:19:33.480
<v Speaker 1>be so useful on the commune. Commune Happy Thanksgiving. But

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<v Speaker 1>this is I mean, this may be excuse old, but

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<v Speaker 1>there is a w k RP episode based on turkeys

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<v Speaker 1>flying and the plot of it is that, um, they're

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<v Speaker 1>trying to organize this big like Thanksgiving promotion, but they

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<v Speaker 1>won't tell what it is. Like the station director won't

0:19:49.200 --> 0:19:50.680
<v Speaker 1>say what it is, he just can't wait to do it,

0:19:50.880 --> 0:19:53.600
<v Speaker 1>and then he likes dispatches the reporter life to the scene,

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<v Speaker 1>and it turned out the promotion is that they're going

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<v Speaker 1>to throw a bunch of turkeys from a helicopter over

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<v Speaker 1>a mall and create this like beautiful way, like a

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<v Speaker 1>flock of turkeys just flying and creating this gorgeous thing.

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<v Speaker 1>But of course they start falling and dropping on everyone.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, I think the next I think the

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<v Speaker 1>next sea creature horror should have to be octopus. But

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<v Speaker 1>they're so cute and smart, but there are Yeah, we

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<v Speaker 1>just learned that you've read this right. This is the

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<v Speaker 1>new scientific study there act. Yes, I love them. They

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<v Speaker 1>come from another come from another planet, not scientists, not

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<v Speaker 1>believe that. It's very article that was like debunking that article.

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<v Speaker 1>I the debunking article was like, but it's like, no,

0:20:38.280 --> 0:20:40.359
<v Speaker 1>in some way it is true. Like they were like

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<v Speaker 1>it's not like they were like, we're flown here. But

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<v Speaker 1>it was like, we don't know what their DNA comes from.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like animals I won't eat is the octopus? Well,

0:20:48.640 --> 0:20:51.640
<v Speaker 1>they're very smart. I went to a tropical fish store

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<v Speaker 1>the other day in the Valley. I went to Tony's

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<v Speaker 1>Tropical Fish. No, it's Marks Tropical Fish, Marks Tropical Fish.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the best tropical fish store. It's been there forever.

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<v Speaker 1>And then somebody told me it's owned by the guy

0:21:03.119 --> 0:21:09.720
<v Speaker 1>from the Strawberry Alarm Clock, which even better. Um, yeah,

0:21:09.760 --> 0:21:11.840
<v Speaker 1>Mark from the Strawberry Alarm Clock. Who are my favorite

0:21:11.840 --> 0:21:14.560
<v Speaker 1>movie beyond The Valley of the Dolls. Uh. But it's

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<v Speaker 1>also just been there forever. And I love going in

0:21:16.160 --> 0:21:19.280
<v Speaker 1>tropical fish starts because they're so relaxing. And I like

0:21:19.359 --> 0:21:21.919
<v Speaker 1>watched this stingray. They had like a baby stingray in

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<v Speaker 1>one tank and I posted some video of it, but

0:21:24.800 --> 0:21:27.320
<v Speaker 1>it was like so cute and it looked like it

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<v Speaker 1>was trying to escape. It was just like swimming to

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<v Speaker 1>the top over and over again. And I asked the guy.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, is trying to get out? Like doesn't know?

0:21:34.320 --> 0:21:39.080
<v Speaker 1>And he was like, no, they just like to do that. Sure,

0:21:38.760 --> 0:21:43.280
<v Speaker 1>Strawberry alarm clock can send some peppermints. What is the

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<v Speaker 1>closest encounter any of you guys have had with like

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<v Speaker 1>a sea monster, by which I would include like octopi

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<v Speaker 1>or a shark or giant squids. I will say that

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<v Speaker 1>the last time I was in Florida, I was in

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<v Speaker 1>Pensacola and there were like, you know, it's like a

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<v Speaker 1>different type of ocean than the ocean here. It is

0:22:07.240 --> 0:22:09.119
<v Speaker 1>a different ocean. And last time I went, I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>this is so nice. It's like warm and different and beautiful.

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<v Speaker 1>And then this time, I like noticed there were jellyfish

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<v Speaker 1>everywhere and I couldn't unnotice it, and it made me

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<v Speaker 1>sort of like a little too scared to be in

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<v Speaker 1>the ocean because they were like a non poisonous kind

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<v Speaker 1>of jellyfish, but even just the idea of like a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of them touching my body. He made me be

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<v Speaker 1>like I have to get out of the ocean right now. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>But then yeah, and then I went and looked and

0:22:38.040 --> 0:22:39.880
<v Speaker 1>there's like a lot of like moon jellies. I went

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<v Speaker 1>to like ap peer like at night and watch some

0:22:41.960 --> 0:22:44.600
<v Speaker 1>jellyfish just swim around. And I think jellyfish are super

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<v Speaker 1>scary and awesome. Jellyfish. Yeah, they have like sixteen eyes

0:22:49.920 --> 0:22:52.080
<v Speaker 1>or something. No one can ever doubt anything. I say again,

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<v Speaker 1>because I was right about the whale. Have you ever

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<v Speaker 1>had any personal rance with a sea monster? A couple?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I so when I was a kid, I

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<v Speaker 1>lived in Maryland and we would we would swim are

0:23:06.080 --> 0:23:08.439
<v Speaker 1>this summer camp would we'd swim in the Chesapeake, and

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<v Speaker 1>jellyfish were like common. You get stung everyone. We get

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<v Speaker 1>stung all day long. It was like one of the

0:23:13.000 --> 0:23:14.679
<v Speaker 1>things that would happen. It's just you get stung by

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<v Speaker 1>a jellyfish. They were I mean, you would hold them

0:23:16.720 --> 0:23:18.480
<v Speaker 1>in like you could pick them up. They were weird.

0:23:18.520 --> 0:23:22.560
<v Speaker 1>I mean, jellyfish are very strange and they have no face.

0:23:22.760 --> 0:23:24.360
<v Speaker 1>They have no face and you can sort of pick

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<v Speaker 1>them up and they're just kind of like it's like

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<v Speaker 1>it's like a blob that's sort of you know, and

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<v Speaker 1>uh yeah, but you'd be swimming and then you would

0:23:30.280 --> 0:23:33.280
<v Speaker 1>just you'd hear it kid be like, oh, you know jelly.

0:23:34.480 --> 0:23:37.600
<v Speaker 1>So there's that. But then when I was in at

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<v Speaker 1>one point I went to Hawaii and we swam with

0:23:42.119 --> 0:23:48.879
<v Speaker 1>sea turtles, which aren't really Yeah, yeah, somebody could do

0:23:48.960 --> 0:23:51.080
<v Speaker 1>like an evil sea turtle movie, but like they have,

0:23:52.840 --> 0:23:55.199
<v Speaker 1>how could you do that? Maybe I'm just projecting, But

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<v Speaker 1>like all the Australian sea creatures, I'm always like, they

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<v Speaker 1>seem so chill. A lionfish, isn't it the lionfish that's

0:24:02.359 --> 0:24:04.720
<v Speaker 1>like the most venomous fish? Or but all those great

0:24:04.760 --> 0:24:08.960
<v Speaker 1>barrier refunds, I'm like, it's just they're so colorful and beautiful. Yeah,

0:24:09.080 --> 0:24:11.960
<v Speaker 1>even if they like would murder you, you're like, that's cute.

0:24:12.600 --> 0:24:17.960
<v Speaker 1>Going to get to Australia, I don't know. I was

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<v Speaker 1>snorkeling in Um the Caribbean and uh we encountered a ray,

0:24:25.359 --> 0:24:28.800
<v Speaker 1>a giant ray, and was one of the freakiest things

0:24:28.840 --> 0:24:32.359
<v Speaker 1>it's ever happened to me. It felt like encountering an

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<v Speaker 1>alien in the wild because suddenly like we like, you know,

0:24:36.520 --> 0:24:39.240
<v Speaker 1>it kind of makes itself clear in the water, and

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<v Speaker 1>it was just sort of like sleeping at the bottom

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<v Speaker 1>of the like um like on the sand. And then

0:24:45.520 --> 0:24:48.280
<v Speaker 1>I think it noticed us and kind of like twitched awake,

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<v Speaker 1>and I had this fear of God and me. I

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<v Speaker 1>just immediately turned her out and just like booked it

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<v Speaker 1>back to the shore. But apparently it lived there. Like

0:24:56.520 --> 0:24:58.680
<v Speaker 1>we were asking the people, like the local people there,

0:24:58.680 --> 0:25:00.639
<v Speaker 1>and they're like, oh, yeah, you met the like that

0:25:00.720 --> 0:25:02.840
<v Speaker 1>guy just like chills out there all the time. That's

0:25:02.880 --> 0:25:06.400
<v Speaker 1>just like a sentient rug. Yeah. Yeah, but it gets

0:25:07.240 --> 0:25:11.159
<v Speaker 1>sometimes like it was bigger than Hope. I didn't that

0:25:11.280 --> 0:25:14.920
<v Speaker 1>kill Yeah, until it ends your career, until it kills

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<v Speaker 1>like a person whose whole life is about dealing with animals,

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<v Speaker 1>Just like you know, you have to kind of accept

0:25:22.320 --> 0:25:25.600
<v Speaker 1>the risk. Smiley face on its other side, that makes

0:25:25.640 --> 0:25:27.960
<v Speaker 1>it looks like a real cutie. You really turn that

0:25:28.000 --> 0:25:33.760
<v Speaker 1>smile upside test. What's your what's your most up close encounter? Um.

0:25:34.040 --> 0:25:37.399
<v Speaker 1>I haven't ever gotten that close to like a whale,

0:25:37.560 --> 0:25:40.040
<v Speaker 1>and I never got to swim with like the fun

0:25:40.200 --> 0:25:42.720
<v Speaker 1>like seals or whatever one does. But I did raise

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<v Speaker 1>lobsters in this weird kind of like plastic condominium via

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<v Speaker 1>this like mail order thing where you could your Your

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<v Speaker 1>deal is that you'd raise these lobsters from like teeny

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<v Speaker 1>tinese up until they were certain size, and then you'd

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<v Speaker 1>send them back farm. Why what is the I don't know,

0:26:01.920 --> 0:26:05.040
<v Speaker 1>but like raising animals and captivity that are supposed to

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<v Speaker 1>be captured, that's kind of your things. She likes to incubate.

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<v Speaker 1>All of this was during three years I lived in

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<v Speaker 1>a really rural area of Connecticut and I didn't have anything. Yeah,

0:26:17.640 --> 0:26:20.080
<v Speaker 1>I like that rural biology. Yeah, so I was just

0:26:20.200 --> 0:26:24.159
<v Speaker 1>like science lab. Yeah, you're like, but for like the

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<v Speaker 1>East Coast, I did Pony Club too. I was all

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<v Speaker 1>animals were my friends. But the lobsters it was just terrible.

0:26:30.480 --> 0:26:33.160
<v Speaker 1>I mean like they just died. And then the tank

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<v Speaker 1>was really was like a huge setup where they each

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<v Speaker 1>had these like little plastic cells and it was like

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<v Speaker 1>a grid of like twenty four of them, and there

0:26:40.280 --> 0:26:42.800
<v Speaker 1>was a filtration system that had to be cleaned by

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<v Speaker 1>not basically was maceration, private private contract. This isn't the

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<v Speaker 1>thing anymore. I can't never still be a thing. Every

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<v Speaker 1>time you see a lobster tanke at arrest straw, that's true,

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<v Speaker 1>but this was they had much less room, but they

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<v Speaker 1>were babies, so they didn't need a ton. That is

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<v Speaker 1>how they incubate things. Though when you see it like

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<v Speaker 1>an aquarium, not to defend you know, it was that

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<v Speaker 1>I was like ten, But still, did you ever try

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<v Speaker 1>to do like a little shark gag or anything? I

0:27:17.320 --> 0:27:19.199
<v Speaker 1>don't know how you get like a shark. Well, the

0:27:19.240 --> 0:27:21.080
<v Speaker 1>deal is is that I think that you could raise

0:27:21.240 --> 0:27:23.920
<v Speaker 1>these lobsters, and I think it was brackish water, which

0:27:23.960 --> 0:27:26.399
<v Speaker 1>is kind of like split the difference between fresh and salt.

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<v Speaker 1>But a shark gag you would assume unless it was

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<v Speaker 1>some kind of like you need. Yeah, and then that

0:27:32.480 --> 0:27:35.800
<v Speaker 1>that's like a whole ext you're thinking about this like realistically,

0:27:35.880 --> 0:27:38.959
<v Speaker 1>which I I've thought about bringing because because Okay, so

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<v Speaker 1>there's a new seahorse that they discovered in Japan. Yeah,

0:27:42.760 --> 0:27:52.520
<v Speaker 1>it's really exciting. Sea horse news, breath seahorse news. You

0:27:52.560 --> 0:27:59.240
<v Speaker 1>can use the seahorse full grown is smaller than a

0:27:59.280 --> 0:28:01.560
<v Speaker 1>grain of rice and it lives in Japan. Yeah, and

0:28:01.600 --> 0:28:04.119
<v Speaker 1>it's part of a whole. There's like a whole group

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<v Speaker 1>of these tiny little sea horses and they are not

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<v Speaker 1>allowed to be kept as pets because there's a size limit.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't bring a sea horse on a plane unless

0:28:12.119 --> 0:28:14.440
<v Speaker 1>it's a certain size, and all of these are smaller

0:28:14.760 --> 0:28:19.639
<v Speaker 1>so they can't be put and they're be Japanese sea horse.

0:28:19.680 --> 0:28:23.320
<v Speaker 1>They're so pretty and weird looking. Oh god, that's what's

0:28:23.359 --> 0:28:25.600
<v Speaker 1>so cool about the ocean is like there's stuff we

0:28:25.640 --> 0:28:27.800
<v Speaker 1>don't know. The ocean is the best, but some people

0:28:27.840 --> 0:28:31.400
<v Speaker 1>are really freaked out by that. We've had the question

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<v Speaker 1>ocean versus space, and it seems obvious that space is scarier.

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<v Speaker 1>We all unanimously secarier because there's less creatures, but is

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<v Speaker 1>to admit, so you have to come clean about something

0:30:01.680 --> 0:30:04.040
<v Speaker 1>that I did years ago that I now realized it's

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<v Speaker 1>terrible and I need to like admit to it, which

0:30:06.440 --> 0:30:10.320
<v Speaker 1>is that I actually ate seahorse at some point. Yeah,

0:30:10.560 --> 0:30:14.320
<v Speaker 1>So we were we were on this trip. We were

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<v Speaker 1>taking this like trip in in Southeast Asia, and we

0:30:18.160 --> 0:30:20.080
<v Speaker 1>were on this like tour and it was like go

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<v Speaker 1>here and go to this fishing village and do this

0:30:21.800 --> 0:30:23.920
<v Speaker 1>and do that, and so it was like this behind

0:30:24.040 --> 0:30:26.400
<v Speaker 1>it's like this back alley tour. And the guy was like, yeah,

0:30:26.520 --> 0:30:28.040
<v Speaker 1>you like go and then we're gonna go see this

0:30:28.080 --> 0:30:30.360
<v Speaker 1>old lady who has all these remedies. So we go

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<v Speaker 1>to the old lady's house and she insists that seahorse

0:30:33.680 --> 0:30:36.200
<v Speaker 1>is really good for everything that ails you. And she's

0:30:36.240 --> 0:30:40.400
<v Speaker 1>got like, you know, sea horses there, and we're like

0:30:40.440 --> 0:30:43.240
<v Speaker 1>should we be eating these? And she's like insisting that

0:30:43.280 --> 0:30:46.160
<v Speaker 1>it's good for everything. It's virility and the memory and

0:30:46.240 --> 0:30:49.600
<v Speaker 1>like hair loss, just whatever you name, sea horses are

0:30:49.600 --> 0:30:51.720
<v Speaker 1>going to be your thing. And so it did feel

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<v Speaker 1>weird not to but we every we were like in

0:30:54.240 --> 0:30:58.040
<v Speaker 1>this small group of like shorse, like two Americans to Canadians,

0:30:58.040 --> 0:31:00.360
<v Speaker 1>the German French person who wouldn't stop smoke. Like it

0:31:00.440 --> 0:31:04.760
<v Speaker 1>was like that weird international contention of travelers and uh

0:31:04.880 --> 0:31:06.920
<v Speaker 1>and everyone we had to decide individually are we going

0:31:07.000 --> 0:31:08.920
<v Speaker 1>to like do the seahorse thing or not? And so

0:31:09.000 --> 0:31:12.840
<v Speaker 1>I did. It was about I'm going to say whatever

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<v Speaker 1>or something that's a big seahorse to eat. Yeah, I

0:31:16.760 --> 0:31:19.120
<v Speaker 1>didn't eat all of took a bite and it was

0:31:19.160 --> 0:31:21.080
<v Speaker 1>actually the grossest thing. What did it take? Was it

0:31:21.160 --> 0:31:23.960
<v Speaker 1>just like briny and crunchy. It was briany and crunchy,

0:31:23.960 --> 0:31:25.560
<v Speaker 1>but not even in a good way. Like it wasn't

0:31:25.600 --> 0:31:29.200
<v Speaker 1>like we didn't tried tramp or something. It wasn't even that.

0:31:29.280 --> 0:31:32.240
<v Speaker 1>It just was like, I mean, it tasted like I

0:31:32.320 --> 0:31:34.000
<v Speaker 1>was eating a seahorse, you know what I'm saying. Like

0:31:34.240 --> 0:31:36.600
<v Speaker 1>it's like the thought of it was so disconcerting that

0:31:36.640 --> 0:31:39.440
<v Speaker 1>all I could taste was the emotions. You know, you're

0:31:39.560 --> 0:31:42.160
<v Speaker 1>being polite. I feel like that's you weren't like seeking

0:31:42.200 --> 0:31:45.080
<v Speaker 1>it out like I'm going to eat something. You know.

0:31:45.160 --> 0:31:46.920
<v Speaker 1>I have a friend who's a vegetarian who wants ate

0:31:46.960 --> 0:31:49.600
<v Speaker 1>a jellyfish because they were in a situation where they

0:31:49.600 --> 0:31:53.040
<v Speaker 1>felt like it would be impolite too, don't have bin

0:31:53.560 --> 0:31:57.360
<v Speaker 1>That's kind of what they were saying, how they how

0:31:57.400 --> 0:31:59.560
<v Speaker 1>they but that must have been so gross. But also

0:31:59.800 --> 0:32:02.000
<v Speaker 1>how tests has sort of talked. We talked about the

0:32:02.040 --> 0:32:05.160
<v Speaker 1>horse meatballs from Ikea on this podcast before what now

0:32:05.240 --> 0:32:11.440
<v Speaker 1>hold up, I'm sorry, could you do you eat Ikea meatballs?

0:32:12.480 --> 0:32:19.720
<v Speaker 1>I do? OK, this is retroactively. You may have eaten

0:32:19.800 --> 0:32:23.360
<v Speaker 1>some horse. I know why. There was like a thing

0:32:23.520 --> 0:32:26.880
<v Speaker 1>where they just stilling meatballs to see they were you know,

0:32:26.960 --> 0:32:29.440
<v Speaker 1>I think routinely every so often they'll test foods to

0:32:29.480 --> 0:32:36.920
<v Speaker 1>see ya. This this was like maybe three years ago.

0:32:36.920 --> 0:32:39.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm justing yeah, it was within the past eight years.

0:32:39.960 --> 0:32:42.640
<v Speaker 1>You're putt enough linenberry sauce on there. But the thing is,

0:32:42.680 --> 0:32:45.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure if it was the meatballs in the US,

0:32:45.120 --> 0:32:48.000
<v Speaker 1>but it was for sure the European I kea, they're

0:32:48.000 --> 0:32:51.280
<v Speaker 1>probably careless over there, like, oh, yes, I don't know

0:32:52.400 --> 0:32:59.960
<v Speaker 1>people European s people love to eat horse, eat snail.

0:33:00.040 --> 0:33:01.880
<v Speaker 1>This is, I think, is what you were going off of.

0:33:01.960 --> 0:33:05.160
<v Speaker 1>You know, all kinds of things are traditional in other places.

0:33:05.200 --> 0:33:07.120
<v Speaker 1>I feel like that's the thing too, is like like

0:33:07.520 --> 0:33:10.280
<v Speaker 1>I've never eaten a c cucumber, but lots of people do.

0:33:10.760 --> 0:33:12.520
<v Speaker 1>And I was reading something about how it was like

0:33:12.520 --> 0:33:14.200
<v Speaker 1>the super food of the future because there's like too

0:33:14.200 --> 0:33:16.800
<v Speaker 1>many of them. Yeah, it's true. It's true that the

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<v Speaker 1>line between what is edible and is not edible in

0:33:18.960 --> 0:33:21.800
<v Speaker 1>each culture is if we're being a thousand percent honest

0:33:22.120 --> 0:33:26.680
<v Speaker 1>rather arbitrary, saying, if you eat one animal like you

0:33:26.760 --> 0:33:28.360
<v Speaker 1>might as well eat them all. Well, the fact is

0:33:28.360 --> 0:33:30.200
<v Speaker 1>that we all need to be eating insects. But I

0:33:30.240 --> 0:33:33.520
<v Speaker 1>know one will never know. But you know, but if

0:33:33.520 --> 0:33:35.480
<v Speaker 1>that's that's what's gonna happen. My friends are actually so

0:33:35.480 --> 0:33:38.960
<v Speaker 1>I got this. I used to run this this. It's

0:33:38.960 --> 0:33:41.280
<v Speaker 1>a long story, but I got this fellowship and one

0:33:41.320 --> 0:33:43.080
<v Speaker 1>of the people in my fellowship class is are these

0:33:43.080 --> 0:33:45.840
<v Speaker 1>two women that started the company that's all about insects

0:33:46.200 --> 0:33:49.360
<v Speaker 1>called Chirps, and they are the cricket flower people. So

0:33:49.440 --> 0:33:51.800
<v Speaker 1>I know those girls and uh and yeah they So

0:33:51.960 --> 0:33:54.400
<v Speaker 1>when we were in like events together, they would be

0:33:54.400 --> 0:33:56.520
<v Speaker 1>always be trying to make us eat like cricket chips

0:33:56.520 --> 0:33:59.360
<v Speaker 1>and so forth. And you know, I mean, that's it's

0:33:59.360 --> 0:34:01.640
<v Speaker 1>going to happen. It's gonna happen. The hard thing is

0:34:01.640 --> 0:34:05.400
<v Speaker 1>that crickets are I'm superstitious, and crickets are good luck.

0:34:05.880 --> 0:34:07.960
<v Speaker 1>And so it's once I killed a cricket in my

0:34:08.000 --> 0:34:10.160
<v Speaker 1>bathtub by mistake. I was trying to get him with

0:34:10.200 --> 0:34:12.239
<v Speaker 1>a jar to bring him outside and chopped off his

0:34:12.280 --> 0:34:15.080
<v Speaker 1>head and both my kids were watching and they were like,

0:34:15.160 --> 0:34:16.640
<v Speaker 1>what have you done? You still moved. It was just

0:34:16.680 --> 0:34:19.759
<v Speaker 1>a nightmare, and I swear it was I felt that

0:34:19.760 --> 0:34:22.799
<v Speaker 1>bad luck. Well then maybe like double your luck if

0:34:22.840 --> 0:34:24.520
<v Speaker 1>you eat them. I don't think that. I don't think

0:34:24.520 --> 0:34:27.160
<v Speaker 1>it works that way. I don't think so we could

0:34:27.160 --> 0:34:34.279
<v Speaker 1>rewrite it. So maybe, um, hey, guys, should we take

0:34:34.320 --> 0:34:39.759
<v Speaker 1>a nightcall? I think we should yeah, hey, nightcall. This

0:34:39.840 --> 0:34:43.640
<v Speaker 1>is gonna sound really weird, but uh, I have a

0:34:43.680 --> 0:34:48.520
<v Speaker 1>private wood shop, um, mostly a hobby. I do some

0:34:48.520 --> 0:34:51.960
<v Speaker 1>side work. I've been doing it for years. Uh. This

0:34:52.239 --> 0:34:55.480
<v Speaker 1>friend of mine this weekend introduced me to a friend

0:34:55.480 --> 0:35:01.200
<v Speaker 1>of hers who had a job they wanted done. And

0:35:01.719 --> 0:35:06.520
<v Speaker 1>I should preface that by saying that over in the

0:35:06.600 --> 0:35:09.080
<v Speaker 1>suburb of the city near where we live, back in

0:35:09.120 --> 0:35:14.440
<v Speaker 1>I think it's two thousand fourteen, there was this horrible crime.

0:35:14.800 --> 0:35:18.400
<v Speaker 1>It was like a murder scene literally where a person

0:35:18.440 --> 0:35:20.279
<v Speaker 1>was killed and some of the the people were injured and

0:35:20.320 --> 0:35:23.600
<v Speaker 1>it was really bloody. And they've had no ability to

0:35:23.640 --> 0:35:27.360
<v Speaker 1>like sell or rent the property since then, and people

0:35:28.280 --> 0:35:30.560
<v Speaker 1>go in there and sneak in there sometimes, mostly kids

0:35:30.600 --> 0:35:34.800
<v Speaker 1>and stuff. Anyway, this young woman, she has a piece

0:35:34.840 --> 0:35:39.120
<v Speaker 1>of wood, which she claims and I know I'd proved

0:35:39.160 --> 0:35:42.759
<v Speaker 1>this that she and a couple of her friends pried

0:35:42.800 --> 0:35:46.520
<v Speaker 1>this piece of wood out from where all the bad

0:35:46.560 --> 0:35:49.400
<v Speaker 1>things happened. And again I don't know if it's true.

0:35:49.800 --> 0:35:53.400
<v Speaker 1>It's a nice, big, heavy, uh piece of wood that

0:35:53.640 --> 0:35:59.520
<v Speaker 1>has some weird discoloration on it. Anyway, they wanted to

0:35:59.560 --> 0:36:03.719
<v Speaker 1>know if I would make them aligia board and a

0:36:03.760 --> 0:36:07.880
<v Speaker 1>plan chet out of it. Um. I'm not saying I

0:36:07.960 --> 0:36:10.120
<v Speaker 1>believe in all that stuff, but I'm also in no

0:36:10.160 --> 0:36:14.440
<v Speaker 1>way saying I don't believe in it to the point

0:36:15.320 --> 0:36:17.960
<v Speaker 1>where I think about it. And I know that some

0:36:18.000 --> 0:36:22.719
<v Speaker 1>people who play with spirit boards and things, um, and

0:36:22.840 --> 0:36:24.440
<v Speaker 1>they have like pictures of the kind they want. It's

0:36:24.480 --> 0:36:27.960
<v Speaker 1>just like this Eastern European really old Gothic style one.

0:36:28.560 --> 0:36:31.360
<v Speaker 1>I know people who use it. You always hear stories

0:36:31.360 --> 0:36:35.560
<v Speaker 1>like they get like maybe entities attached to them or

0:36:35.600 --> 0:36:40.960
<v Speaker 1>something like that, and it never ends. Well. But what

0:36:41.080 --> 0:36:43.799
<v Speaker 1>about the person who's like the carpenter who just makes it.

0:36:44.600 --> 0:36:47.680
<v Speaker 1>I mean, if they're not using it, they're not playing

0:36:47.680 --> 0:36:49.640
<v Speaker 1>with it, they're not trying to talk to anybody or

0:36:49.680 --> 0:36:53.640
<v Speaker 1>communicate with anything. I guess my question is if you

0:36:53.680 --> 0:36:56.640
<v Speaker 1>were my position, would you just say stop overthinking this

0:36:56.760 --> 0:36:58.200
<v Speaker 1>and go ahead and take the job because I could

0:36:58.200 --> 0:37:00.799
<v Speaker 1>definitely use the cash. Uh it does sound like kind

0:37:00.800 --> 0:37:05.680
<v Speaker 1>of a cool project. Or would you be thinking why

0:37:05.800 --> 0:37:09.760
<v Speaker 1>on earth? This is? Like? Is it okay to work

0:37:09.840 --> 0:37:13.680
<v Speaker 1>to build the Death Star? Well? I get blown up.

0:37:15.239 --> 0:37:19.959
<v Speaker 1>This is my favorite question. Good. I just I wanted

0:37:19.960 --> 0:37:22.040
<v Speaker 1>to start by saying I love that his question isn't

0:37:22.440 --> 0:37:25.520
<v Speaker 1>should I unleash the forces of darkness on our realm?

0:37:25.640 --> 0:37:29.719
<v Speaker 1>But well, I personally be in trouble. It's not like

0:37:29.760 --> 0:37:32.000
<v Speaker 1>should I do it? It's like, I mean, I do it,

0:37:32.080 --> 0:37:35.279
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, what are they going to come at me?

0:37:36.200 --> 0:37:40.239
<v Speaker 1>Is it okay to build the Death Star if you're

0:37:40.280 --> 0:37:42.600
<v Speaker 1>just a contract worker, if you're just trying to feed

0:37:42.640 --> 0:37:45.440
<v Speaker 1>your family, yeah, just trying to send your kids. I'm

0:37:45.440 --> 0:37:51.520
<v Speaker 1>going to play Devil's advocate, no pun intended. Well, what

0:37:51.680 --> 0:37:55.239
<v Speaker 1>if what if the Spirits have something? First of all,

0:37:55.320 --> 0:37:57.640
<v Speaker 1>has the case been solved? Right? So if it hasn't

0:37:57.640 --> 0:37:59.960
<v Speaker 1>been solved, could this be a way to crack the case,

0:38:00.520 --> 0:38:04.080
<v Speaker 1>in which case you might be doing something good by

0:38:04.080 --> 0:38:10.640
<v Speaker 1>making crack the case with the classics, well regarded way

0:38:10.680 --> 0:38:16.600
<v Speaker 1>of solving murders. Absolutely, they have mediums for this. It's

0:38:16.600 --> 0:38:19.680
<v Speaker 1>not just any weigi board. It's a sacred plantchet. I

0:38:19.719 --> 0:38:22.400
<v Speaker 1>think maybe it's not okay to build the Death Star. Really,

0:38:22.440 --> 0:38:25.960
<v Speaker 1>I just decided, I mean, you know what the project,

0:38:26.080 --> 0:38:28.840
<v Speaker 1>you know it's about, if you know, yeah, you know

0:38:28.880 --> 0:38:30.560
<v Speaker 1>what I mean. But I don't think. I don't think

0:38:30.640 --> 0:38:34.800
<v Speaker 1>they told every like everything you know, every like person

0:38:34.880 --> 0:38:39.000
<v Speaker 1>on the Death Star, like so we're building as like

0:38:39.920 --> 0:38:43.439
<v Speaker 1>Devil in the White Castle. It's about the America's first

0:38:43.480 --> 0:38:47.440
<v Speaker 1>serial killer. He like, uh, made a murder mansion. Are

0:38:47.440 --> 0:38:49.279
<v Speaker 1>you talking about Devil in the White State? Sorry? What

0:38:49.400 --> 0:39:00.279
<v Speaker 1>I call it? Devil in the White Castle? Old from

0:39:00.280 --> 0:39:03.360
<v Speaker 1>the middle of the Burgers. Somebody told me, what not

0:39:03.440 --> 0:39:07.319
<v Speaker 1>the ones you get at the supermarket and microwaves was

0:39:07.360 --> 0:39:13.759
<v Speaker 1>like a whole stamped out. Yeah, the day we should

0:39:13.800 --> 0:39:16.479
<v Speaker 1>do a reappreciation of Harold and Kumar go to White

0:39:16.480 --> 0:39:22.359
<v Speaker 1>Castle because we just had two thousand and eight week.

0:39:22.440 --> 0:39:26.839
<v Speaker 1>What year was that was like two thousand four, I think, okay, yeah,

0:39:26.880 --> 0:39:28.520
<v Speaker 1>they were going to go on to Ambay and that

0:39:28.719 --> 0:39:31.640
<v Speaker 1>right right right in the White Oh. It was a

0:39:31.640 --> 0:39:34.600
<v Speaker 1>guy who built a murder a murder mansion in Chicago

0:39:34.680 --> 0:39:39.240
<v Speaker 1>during the Chicago World's Fair and then murdered tourists basically

0:39:39.280 --> 0:39:40.839
<v Speaker 1>who came to check They checked in, but they didn't

0:39:40.880 --> 0:39:43.600
<v Speaker 1>check out. But the way he was able to build it,

0:39:43.600 --> 0:39:46.160
<v Speaker 1>because I had all these terrifying trapdoors and stuff to

0:39:46.239 --> 0:39:48.880
<v Speaker 1>murder basement, it was that he hired like a million

0:39:48.880 --> 0:39:50.880
<v Speaker 1>different contractors to do it and didn't tell any of

0:39:50.920 --> 0:39:53.279
<v Speaker 1>them what they were doing, and didn't tell them about

0:39:53.320 --> 0:39:55.319
<v Speaker 1>each other. So they like built a house that made

0:39:55.320 --> 0:39:57.960
<v Speaker 1>no sense, basically without knowing what they were doing, but

0:39:58.040 --> 0:40:01.360
<v Speaker 1>each doing a tiny part. Ye, what do you guys think?

0:40:01.560 --> 0:40:03.399
<v Speaker 1>How much? How much? I need to know how much?

0:40:03.760 --> 0:40:05.719
<v Speaker 1>He didn't say. And it's bothering me so much. Not

0:40:05.840 --> 0:40:09.560
<v Speaker 1>retirement money means that he's not being offered what would

0:40:09.560 --> 0:40:13.600
<v Speaker 1>retirement money? Well, so they're kids, I thought their kids,

0:40:13.640 --> 0:40:16.160
<v Speaker 1>So how are they catting their kids? I think they're

0:40:16.200 --> 0:40:21.760
<v Speaker 1>like you. I was kind of thinking it was like

0:40:22.239 --> 0:40:25.200
<v Speaker 1>nineteen year olds. I'm sorry those are those are not kids,

0:40:25.239 --> 0:40:29.000
<v Speaker 1>but we're talking about adult how old I need all

0:40:29.040 --> 0:40:36.759
<v Speaker 1>the true I honestly don't see the problem with doing it. Wow,

0:40:37.360 --> 0:40:40.520
<v Speaker 1>I don't, because I mean the kind of murderer the

0:40:40.640 --> 0:40:43.799
<v Speaker 1>murderer has not has It's like not like there it's

0:40:43.840 --> 0:40:47.400
<v Speaker 1>an open case, still, is it? Like That's what I'm wondering.

0:40:47.680 --> 0:40:50.520
<v Speaker 1>Probably not. Let me just take this monkey paw. Nothing

0:40:50.600 --> 0:40:55.000
<v Speaker 1>that will happen, Well, I don't think that anything bad

0:40:55.000 --> 0:40:57.160
<v Speaker 1>will happen to him. I don't. I'm not quite sure.

0:40:57.360 --> 0:40:59.600
<v Speaker 1>Like I don't think that. I don't think the theft

0:40:59.719 --> 0:41:04.760
<v Speaker 1>of the wood is like something that's gonna fuck anybody up, though,

0:41:04.920 --> 0:41:07.319
<v Speaker 1>like it's they're probably gonna just end up tearing down

0:41:07.320 --> 0:41:10.319
<v Speaker 1>the house anyway, and something's going to be built there

0:41:10.360 --> 0:41:13.480
<v Speaker 1>on that spot regardless, Like I mean, somebody will move

0:41:13.520 --> 0:41:16.000
<v Speaker 1>into the cursed house, or they'll tear down the cursed house,

0:41:16.000 --> 0:41:18.400
<v Speaker 1>and somebody will live on the cursed land. It's like

0:41:18.640 --> 0:41:21.359
<v Speaker 1>there's no way to realize, Like it's like you can't

0:41:21.600 --> 0:41:23.719
<v Speaker 1>get rid of styrofoam or something. It's like right right,

0:41:23.840 --> 0:41:26.799
<v Speaker 1>and and as Carpel pointed out, all all land as

0:41:26.800 --> 0:41:31.200
<v Speaker 1>cursed in America, all houses are made of haunted wood. Yes,

0:41:31.760 --> 0:41:34.720
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I don't I don't see in the scheme,

0:41:34.840 --> 0:41:37.359
<v Speaker 1>in the spiritual scheme of things. I don't see why

0:41:37.400 --> 0:41:40.320
<v Speaker 1>this would be any worse than what if your objection

0:41:40.400 --> 0:41:49.600
<v Speaker 1>is it's tasteless, It's not. It's actually cool, fe okay.

0:41:49.600 --> 0:41:52.359
<v Speaker 1>But like when like remember there was like a time

0:41:52.400 --> 0:41:55.319
<v Speaker 1>period when Trent Rosner had like the house the door

0:41:55.440 --> 0:41:59.400
<v Speaker 1>from the Celo Drive house, the Manson murder House. He

0:41:59.440 --> 0:42:01.759
<v Speaker 1>did what was he doing? He was it was a

0:42:01.760 --> 0:42:03.640
<v Speaker 1>door in his house. He was he purchased it and

0:42:03.680 --> 0:42:06.360
<v Speaker 1>put it in his studio and it had like it

0:42:06.440 --> 0:42:08.840
<v Speaker 1>had had pig and stuff written on it in blood

0:42:09.239 --> 0:42:11.440
<v Speaker 1>and then he later like renounced having done it. I

0:42:11.520 --> 0:42:13.399
<v Speaker 1>was like, you know what's interesting about that is that

0:42:13.800 --> 0:42:15.560
<v Speaker 1>I was like that thing I said about it being

0:42:15.560 --> 0:42:18.120
<v Speaker 1>cool as ship was based on this is my whole

0:42:18.160 --> 0:42:21.479
<v Speaker 1>actually thing with true crime stuff anyway. It's like that

0:42:21.680 --> 0:42:23.680
<v Speaker 1>joke was based on the idea that it was just

0:42:23.800 --> 0:42:26.400
<v Speaker 1>this murder. But then as soon as you mentioned this

0:42:26.480 --> 0:42:28.680
<v Speaker 1>yellow house and like a name and face was on it,

0:42:28.840 --> 0:42:30.920
<v Speaker 1>then I was like, oh, my word, that's so tasteless. Like,

0:42:33.040 --> 0:42:35.439
<v Speaker 1>but also I think in that case, that's like using

0:42:35.440 --> 0:42:38.439
<v Speaker 1>it purely as decoration or some kind of trophy from

0:42:38.480 --> 0:42:42.560
<v Speaker 1>a scene of atrocity or like a horrible murder. How

0:42:42.640 --> 0:42:45.520
<v Speaker 1>is that different than this? Though, well, I I don't

0:42:45.560 --> 0:42:47.400
<v Speaker 1>feel like it's like they're not going to hang it

0:42:47.520 --> 0:42:50.000
<v Speaker 1>up in their house or something like. But also like

0:42:50.040 --> 0:42:52.960
<v Speaker 1>what was the murder that I think also matters? The

0:42:53.640 --> 0:42:58.920
<v Speaker 1>details murder would make this okay like some somebody like

0:42:59.120 --> 0:43:05.360
<v Speaker 1>killing their abuse of husband, Okay, yeah, a more ambivalent.

0:43:06.280 --> 0:43:08.840
<v Speaker 1>You know, it's just like if but he said it

0:43:08.920 --> 0:43:10.840
<v Speaker 1>was like, I mean, I think he would have said

0:43:11.280 --> 0:43:13.360
<v Speaker 1>he knows about the crime the caller and so he

0:43:13.400 --> 0:43:15.479
<v Speaker 1>said it was like horrible and gall like he would

0:43:15.480 --> 0:43:18.560
<v Speaker 1>have been like it was bloody and like it was

0:43:18.719 --> 0:43:21.920
<v Speaker 1>real bad like this, this is the murder that you

0:43:22.040 --> 0:43:25.680
<v Speaker 1>root for if you're like what if kids were like murdered?

0:43:25.840 --> 0:43:28.920
<v Speaker 1>Like it's just well the listen though, is what's his

0:43:29.040 --> 0:43:32.239
<v Speaker 1>culpability though? If he's a woodworker, Like, first of all,

0:43:32.840 --> 0:43:34.920
<v Speaker 1>say that the whole house is going to be torn

0:43:35.000 --> 0:43:37.200
<v Speaker 1>down and the wood is going to be destroyed, is

0:43:37.239 --> 0:43:41.359
<v Speaker 1>that necessarily better? Like if you're destroying the house that

0:43:41.600 --> 0:43:44.799
<v Speaker 1>bears witness to whatever horrible event happened, like, are you

0:43:44.840 --> 0:43:47.839
<v Speaker 1>then at risk for also getting evil spirits on you?

0:43:48.239 --> 0:43:51.080
<v Speaker 1>I think? So that's really what his concern is. He's

0:43:51.080 --> 0:43:53.600
<v Speaker 1>in the c y A situation. He's really just like

0:43:53.640 --> 0:43:56.040
<v Speaker 1>are the spirits going to bother me? I just feel

0:43:56.160 --> 0:43:59.600
<v Speaker 1>like if anything bad, if I were him and I

0:43:59.760 --> 0:44:02.360
<v Speaker 1>did it, I like made peace with whatever and was

0:44:02.400 --> 0:44:04.600
<v Speaker 1>like I'm just gonna do it because it'll be an amazing,

0:44:04.680 --> 0:44:07.560
<v Speaker 1>beautiful Regia board and they'll make you know, I'll make

0:44:07.600 --> 0:44:11.120
<v Speaker 1>some money. Like if anything bad ever happened to me

0:44:11.280 --> 0:44:13.759
<v Speaker 1>ever again, I'd be like because I made that Regia bar,

0:44:14.000 --> 0:44:15.600
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean, Like if you got sick,

0:44:15.719 --> 0:44:18.759
<v Speaker 1>you'd be like because I have a great idea. Can

0:44:18.800 --> 0:44:22.279
<v Speaker 1>I say, what if he takes it to a like

0:44:22.480 --> 0:44:27.600
<v Speaker 1>spiritual you know, if that's what they want, they want

0:44:27.640 --> 0:44:32.560
<v Speaker 1>them and have to tell them because then he's released

0:44:32.600 --> 0:44:35.359
<v Speaker 1>the spirit to the next realm, Right if we take

0:44:35.400 --> 0:44:38.640
<v Speaker 1>it and saved the world from the spirit like being

0:44:38.680 --> 0:44:41.600
<v Speaker 1>in trench. The issue, and the more we talk about

0:44:41.600 --> 0:44:43.960
<v Speaker 1>this issue is less like our spirits going to come

0:44:44.000 --> 0:44:47.200
<v Speaker 1>and have their revenge on the woodworker and more like

0:44:47.480 --> 0:44:50.319
<v Speaker 1>is the woodworker going to feel ashamed of himself for

0:44:50.360 --> 0:44:53.080
<v Speaker 1>the rest of his life? No, he specifically said he

0:44:53.120 --> 0:44:56.120
<v Speaker 1>doesn't want a spirit like clinging to him. Yeah, but

0:44:58.560 --> 0:44:59.759
<v Speaker 1>I feel like you're having a hard time with the

0:44:59.760 --> 0:45:02.040
<v Speaker 1>spirit thing because you're in New York, whereas we're having

0:45:02.040 --> 0:45:04.000
<v Speaker 1>an easy time with the spirit thing because we're all

0:45:04.040 --> 0:45:07.120
<v Speaker 1>in California. All that kind of should happens all the time.

0:45:11.239 --> 0:45:13.840
<v Speaker 1>I mean, So if I have to make a final

0:45:14.080 --> 0:45:16.080
<v Speaker 1>if we have to make a final call, I would

0:45:16.320 --> 0:45:20.239
<v Speaker 1>probably I would probably say it's okay to make this,

0:45:20.719 --> 0:45:23.320
<v Speaker 1>assuming that the premise of the question is lesas I understood,

0:45:23.320 --> 0:45:25.560
<v Speaker 1>it is like our spirits going to come after me

0:45:25.640 --> 0:45:27.960
<v Speaker 1>if I make this, and which I think is a

0:45:28.000 --> 0:45:29.759
<v Speaker 1>little bit of a selfish telling. It should be like,

0:45:29.760 --> 0:45:32.440
<v Speaker 1>am I going to unleash darkness into the world? And

0:45:32.800 --> 0:45:35.839
<v Speaker 1>I think that, um, that the point you bring up

0:45:35.880 --> 0:45:38.600
<v Speaker 1>is right, that like, maybe maybe this is good. Maybe

0:45:38.640 --> 0:45:41.000
<v Speaker 1>this is assuming that spirits are there, Maybe this is

0:45:41.000 --> 0:45:42.920
<v Speaker 1>a good thing. I think I should go ahead and

0:45:42.920 --> 0:45:45.920
<v Speaker 1>make the wigeboard can just play a lot. Yeah, I

0:45:45.960 --> 0:45:54.360
<v Speaker 1>agree it for some important bad energy. Clearly, it's maybe

0:45:54.400 --> 0:45:56.000
<v Speaker 1>this is the only way that the victims will be

0:45:56.000 --> 0:45:57.799
<v Speaker 1>able to That's what I'm saying. This is allows the

0:45:57.880 --> 0:46:00.520
<v Speaker 1>victims to come through. That's not why they want it.

0:46:00.560 --> 0:46:04.040
<v Speaker 1>They just want to spooky from bab. You've never seen Poulder, guys,

0:46:04.120 --> 0:46:07.600
<v Speaker 1>I mean root corded come into the light, you know. Yeah,

0:46:07.600 --> 0:46:11.239
<v Speaker 1>this is a real Poulter Guist moment. It is best

0:46:11.360 --> 0:46:18.319
<v Speaker 1>keep us updated. Don't where we are yea, yeah, I'm

0:46:18.360 --> 0:46:21.480
<v Speaker 1>just saying this is Yeah. Now you guys are all

0:46:23.480 --> 0:46:27.520
<v Speaker 1>you guys are you all said the spirits could come

0:46:27.560 --> 0:46:32.520
<v Speaker 1>follow you and I said no, I remember that. I said,

0:46:32.600 --> 0:46:37.520
<v Speaker 1>now if your spirit follow us on Twitter. Oh yeah.

0:46:37.600 --> 0:46:40.160
<v Speaker 1>And also the line is always open for spirits. If

0:46:40.200 --> 0:46:41.920
<v Speaker 1>you'd like to give us your night call, please give

0:46:42.000 --> 0:46:44.120
<v Speaker 1>us a call at to four oh four six night,

0:46:44.239 --> 0:46:47.200
<v Speaker 1>or you can email us at Nightcall Podcast at gmail

0:46:47.239 --> 0:46:51.240
<v Speaker 1>dot com. We also have an announcement to make. Uh.

0:46:51.280 --> 0:46:53.480
<v Speaker 1>We're going to be having a live show in Los

0:46:53.480 --> 0:46:56.359
<v Speaker 1>Angeles for those of our Night Call listeners that are

0:46:57.160 --> 0:47:00.760
<v Speaker 1>listening from l a UM. No ghosts though, no ghosts please,

0:47:00.760 --> 0:47:04.719
<v Speaker 1>no ghosts. But on September five at one of the

0:47:04.840 --> 0:47:07.680
<v Speaker 1>one of the most controversial pronunciations in Los Angeles. But

0:47:07.719 --> 0:47:11.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna go with hey, uh, they called it takes

0:47:12.040 --> 0:47:18.520
<v Speaker 1>when I called takes takes that takes there there are

0:47:18.600 --> 0:47:20.960
<v Speaker 1>articles about how to pronounce it. It's t a i X.

0:47:21.000 --> 0:47:23.480
<v Speaker 1>It's the French restaurant in Echo Park. You know what

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<v Speaker 1>you love it um On September five at a p m.

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna have a little live show there banquet, dinner, banquet.

0:47:32.800 --> 0:47:36.680
<v Speaker 1>We'll be announcing more details on all our socials and yeah,

0:47:36.719 --> 0:47:38.680
<v Speaker 1>and then there will also be an after party and

0:47:38.760 --> 0:47:42.239
<v Speaker 1>some merch and some merchase that it'll be a big

0:47:42.360 --> 0:47:46.600
<v Speaker 1>night Call night people meet up and we would love

0:47:46.640 --> 0:47:49.040
<v Speaker 1>to see you there. You can make shadow shadow people

0:47:49.040 --> 0:47:55.640
<v Speaker 1>are allowed. Also, can we please talk about the Devil's

0:47:55.680 --> 0:47:58.360
<v Speaker 1>three way just for like five minutes, just as a

0:47:58.400 --> 0:48:01.920
<v Speaker 1>palate cleanser. Yeah, we just off to al Right, Tess,

0:48:01.960 --> 0:48:05.759
<v Speaker 1>you've got feelings? Well, okay, it's this may be old

0:48:05.880 --> 0:48:08.560
<v Speaker 1>news when you're listening to this podcast. But over the

0:48:08.600 --> 0:48:11.480
<v Speaker 1>past couple of weeks there's been a lot of stuff

0:48:11.560 --> 0:48:15.080
<v Speaker 1>happening with Elon Musk. It started off on August seven

0:48:15.160 --> 0:48:17.520
<v Speaker 1>when he tweeted that he was taking the company private

0:48:17.520 --> 0:48:19.359
<v Speaker 1>and that they had secured funding. That turned out to

0:48:19.360 --> 0:48:24.480
<v Speaker 1>not be entirely true. And then Azalea Banks entered the

0:48:24.520 --> 0:48:29.920
<v Speaker 1>picture and took to her Instagram stories. Was a really

0:48:30.080 --> 0:48:33.680
<v Speaker 1>crazy tale that I did not know whether to believe.

0:48:33.800 --> 0:48:37.200
<v Speaker 1>And now I feel bad because it's maybe more true

0:48:37.239 --> 0:48:39.719
<v Speaker 1>than I thought. But basically, I mean, Molly, do you

0:48:39.719 --> 0:48:41.919
<v Speaker 1>want to weigh in with what happened? It's a complicated story.

0:48:42.239 --> 0:48:45.200
<v Speaker 1>She was posting on Instagram stories that she was at

0:48:46.120 --> 0:48:50.360
<v Speaker 1>Elon Musk's giant mansion complex, which is five mansions in

0:48:50.400 --> 0:48:55.160
<v Speaker 1>bell Air musta five mansions connected together. She was there

0:48:55.160 --> 0:48:58.000
<v Speaker 1>because Grimes and she was supposed to be collaborating on

0:48:58.080 --> 0:49:00.799
<v Speaker 1>something they announced in June and Times was like, come

0:49:00.800 --> 0:49:05.000
<v Speaker 1>out to Ellen's mansion and we'll record something on this weekend.

0:49:05.040 --> 0:49:07.640
<v Speaker 1>But then I guess she was like oops, Ellen and

0:49:07.640 --> 0:49:10.000
<v Speaker 1>I are going out of town. Yes, Grimes like stood

0:49:10.000 --> 0:49:12.360
<v Speaker 1>her up, but was like, just stay at the mansion.

0:49:12.719 --> 0:49:15.680
<v Speaker 1>It seems like just hang out, which I think like

0:49:15.800 --> 0:49:18.440
<v Speaker 1>from other Azalia Banks stories, this happens to Azalia Banks

0:49:18.480 --> 0:49:20.080
<v Speaker 1>a lot. Is that she gets asked to do a

0:49:20.080 --> 0:49:22.400
<v Speaker 1>feature on something because she had another story about how

0:49:22.440 --> 0:49:24.360
<v Speaker 1>she was supposed to record with Rihanna, and Rihanna like

0:49:24.440 --> 0:49:26.959
<v Speaker 1>kept her waiting all day and was like eating food

0:49:26.960 --> 0:49:29.440
<v Speaker 1>in front of her but didn't offer her any and

0:49:29.520 --> 0:49:32.399
<v Speaker 1>she was mad about it. In everyone's defense, I think

0:49:32.400 --> 0:49:34.960
<v Speaker 1>this is actually a pretty common thing among the super

0:49:35.000 --> 0:49:38.719
<v Speaker 1>wealthy and rich, and everyone like goes and talks about

0:49:38.719 --> 0:49:40.879
<v Speaker 1>it publicly. No, I think I think all the things

0:49:40.880 --> 0:49:42.880
<v Speaker 1>she was saying we're true. She has a lot of

0:49:42.920 --> 0:49:46.320
<v Speaker 1>stories where you're like, this seems like it's so specific,

0:49:46.400 --> 0:49:51.239
<v Speaker 1>like the Russell Crow story where which was whip, which

0:49:51.280 --> 0:49:53.760
<v Speaker 1>was like of course, like people are like, but nobody

0:49:53.760 --> 0:49:56.279
<v Speaker 1>wants to defend Azalea Banks really, because she also has

0:49:56.320 --> 0:49:58.920
<v Speaker 1>said some really horrible and by all accounts, she gets

0:49:58.960 --> 0:50:01.239
<v Speaker 1>like either drunk or just upset. This was the thing

0:50:01.239 --> 0:50:03.440
<v Speaker 1>when she told this whole story on Instagram stories. But

0:50:03.480 --> 0:50:06.520
<v Speaker 1>there was like no pictures that proved it. She was

0:50:06.600 --> 0:50:08.799
<v Speaker 1>just like taking pictures of the ground, which was the

0:50:08.800 --> 0:50:11.239
<v Speaker 1>most evocative things she could have done. She was taking

0:50:11.280 --> 0:50:13.759
<v Speaker 1>pictures of like her iPhone charger in the wall. It

0:50:13.840 --> 0:50:16.680
<v Speaker 1>was like it was very like help, help, I can't

0:50:16.719 --> 0:50:18.600
<v Speaker 1>look like I'm using my phone right now, type of

0:50:19.080 --> 0:50:21.920
<v Speaker 1>paring it to get out because she felt trapped inside.

0:50:22.280 --> 0:50:25.960
<v Speaker 1>I said it was like ex mockin a because it

0:50:26.040 --> 0:50:29.759
<v Speaker 1>is you know. And also something about a house that

0:50:29.800 --> 0:50:32.120
<v Speaker 1>big is like so scary, like nobody needs a house

0:50:32.120 --> 0:50:33.920
<v Speaker 1>that big. Well, I guess they offered that she could

0:50:34.000 --> 0:50:36.239
<v Speaker 1>stay in like the guest house, but she was kind

0:50:36.280 --> 0:50:38.640
<v Speaker 1>of roaming around a bit, and she was she was

0:50:38.680 --> 0:50:42.680
<v Speaker 1>saying that Ellen was tweeting and you know, while he

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<v Speaker 1>was on acting and all the time tweeting and tweaken. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>She said that she basically was just like Elon Muskin

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<v Speaker 1>Grimes were like doing so much acid that they like

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<v Speaker 1>you know, are losing their ship and they're just like

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<v Speaker 1>doing all this acid together in this bel Air mansion stories.

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<v Speaker 1>But she also breaks the story that he doesn't have

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<v Speaker 1>funding like that. She said that on her she was like,

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<v Speaker 1>he didn't I heard him on the phone. He doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>have funding, Yeah, like scrambling. She was like, he's too

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<v Speaker 1>dumb to know not to tweet on acid. And then

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<v Speaker 1>after a while, after enough time being there, she starts

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<v Speaker 1>to suspect that she was just brought there for some

0:51:21.880 --> 0:51:26.400
<v Speaker 1>kind of weird threesome that they ended, which she was, Oh, absolutely,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying that that's not true. I'm just saying

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<v Speaker 1>that she starts to catch on that that was probably

0:51:31.360 --> 0:51:33.640
<v Speaker 1>She caught on that that was probably what was happening.

0:51:33.680 --> 0:51:37.200
<v Speaker 1>She posted what we're supposedly text from Grimes that seemed

0:51:37.760 --> 0:51:39.680
<v Speaker 1>everybody was like describing is really texts like that, and

0:51:39.719 --> 0:51:41.480
<v Speaker 1>people were posting her tweets being like, I mean, this

0:51:41.520 --> 0:51:43.759
<v Speaker 1>is how she tweets, so like, it doesn't seem that weird,

0:51:43.840 --> 0:51:46.440
<v Speaker 1>especially if everybody's on a lot of acid all the time.

0:51:47.360 --> 0:51:49.120
<v Speaker 1>The part of this story that's so weird that I

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<v Speaker 1>can't even really like verify that. I'm not making it up,

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<v Speaker 1>but I don't think I am is that they were

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<v Speaker 1>all eating dipping dots. Know that part right verified it

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<v Speaker 1>because I was like, we came of the future. Grimes

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<v Speaker 1>would totally be like, let's get some dippin' dots because

0:52:02.719 --> 0:52:07.360
<v Speaker 1>it's the ice cream of the nineties from exactly. But

0:52:07.480 --> 0:52:09.480
<v Speaker 1>that's like they'd both be like, we love the future,

0:52:09.760 --> 0:52:13.200
<v Speaker 1>the idea of doing acid and then being like, great,

0:52:13.239 --> 0:52:17.760
<v Speaker 1>now it's time for Twitter and dipping docks, doing doing

0:52:17.840 --> 0:52:21.000
<v Speaker 1>like having so much money and all the good drugs

0:52:21.000 --> 0:52:23.640
<v Speaker 1>and being like, let's sit around on Twitter like what

0:52:23.760 --> 0:52:26.480
<v Speaker 1>and I let's do some painful ice cream. These are

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<v Speaker 1>genuses of our time. They're like, just go on Twitter

0:52:30.719 --> 0:52:34.440
<v Speaker 1>on acid. Um, it just was a you know, just

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<v Speaker 1>send Anna Biller over there to just shoot this. I know.

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<v Speaker 1>Also just the breaking news of today, which again is

0:52:41.320 --> 0:52:43.440
<v Speaker 1>a week ago for you. But it's important that you

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<v Speaker 1>realize that this has all led to some unfollows between

0:52:47.640 --> 0:52:52.040
<v Speaker 1>crimes on Instagram. They don't follow each other, they followed

0:52:52.080 --> 0:52:54.359
<v Speaker 1>each other each other. Do you think that they did

0:52:54.360 --> 0:52:57.840
<v Speaker 1>they break up? What we're wanting to cut posed the

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<v Speaker 1>question is this the end of Grimes? And Elon I

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<v Speaker 1>knew it should be. We were never about that. It

0:53:04.200 --> 0:53:07.960
<v Speaker 1>was a summer romance. It was a summer nightmare. I

0:53:08.000 --> 0:53:11.480
<v Speaker 1>don't know that. I mean, I believe in giving people

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of leeway for bad dating decisions, because one

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<v Speaker 1>of my theories is that everyone dates badly, And I

0:53:16.640 --> 0:53:19.200
<v Speaker 1>dare anyone to doubt that. And every person knows deep

0:53:19.200 --> 0:53:21.080
<v Speaker 1>in their heart that they've dated badly at some point.

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<v Speaker 1>But I almost feel like, like choosing to date Elon

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<v Speaker 1>Musk is a thing you should never recover from. She

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<v Speaker 1>can't come back from the thank you as Elia Banks

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<v Speaker 1>for bringing down the Evil Empire at least um that

0:53:33.960 --> 0:53:35.560
<v Speaker 1>was a good move. But that was the thing too.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just absolutely Elon Musk's thing. You know, his like

0:53:41.640 --> 0:53:45.359
<v Speaker 1>rep denied it and then he like confirmed it, which

0:53:45.400 --> 0:53:47.520
<v Speaker 1>is also like, why are you trying to make her

0:53:47.640 --> 0:53:51.040
<v Speaker 1>look like a crazy liar? Also the qualifier of like

0:53:51.280 --> 0:53:54.319
<v Speaker 1>I just finished working out s Look I'm not doing

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<v Speaker 1>us and needing dip in dollars, I'm working out. Look

0:53:57.239 --> 0:53:59.359
<v Speaker 1>at what a nut job this person is. That people

0:53:59.400 --> 0:54:03.040
<v Speaker 1>are project acting like authority and genius onto and like,

0:54:03.320 --> 0:54:05.279
<v Speaker 1>but this isn't the thing I love about this story

0:54:05.280 --> 0:54:07.319
<v Speaker 1>on a deeper level. Maybe it's not even deeper, it's

0:54:07.360 --> 0:54:09.799
<v Speaker 1>just the level of the stories that this is so

0:54:10.080 --> 0:54:13.200
<v Speaker 1>entirely within the ethos of Silicon Valley. Like this idea

0:54:13.280 --> 0:54:17.359
<v Speaker 1>that like people imbue these like basic dudes with like

0:54:17.440 --> 0:54:20.839
<v Speaker 1>some kind of power and authority because they have this money,

0:54:21.000 --> 0:54:25.360
<v Speaker 1>but then when you see their daily inner workings. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>as a Zilia, Banks pointed out, his money all comes

0:54:27.840 --> 0:54:30.920
<v Speaker 1>from like apartheid diamonds, Like that's why he's a rich

0:54:30.960 --> 0:54:32.680
<v Speaker 1>person who was able to start a company in the

0:54:32.760 --> 0:54:36.359
<v Speaker 1>first his his bootstrap story. But it's very no, he's

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<v Speaker 1>like from like because I was doing jokes a while

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<v Speaker 1>ago about how his dad was John Houston in Chinatown,

0:54:41.440 --> 0:54:42.640
<v Speaker 1>and then I saw a picture of his dad and

0:54:42.640 --> 0:54:46.120
<v Speaker 1>his dad looks just like John Houston and then married

0:54:46.200 --> 0:54:49.080
<v Speaker 1>his stepdaughter, which was what he and Elon Musk fell

0:54:49.080 --> 0:54:51.880
<v Speaker 1>out over. It was because Elon Musk was like, my

0:54:51.960 --> 0:54:53.960
<v Speaker 1>dad and I don't talk. He did something very bad.

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<v Speaker 1>He knows what it is. And then it came out

0:54:55.400 --> 0:54:57.160
<v Speaker 1>that it was like he married a step was one

0:54:57.200 --> 0:55:04.000
<v Speaker 1>of his stepchildren. So wow, super cool family. The problem

0:55:04.800 --> 0:55:07.799
<v Speaker 1>is nothing can stay funny and everything has to get

0:55:07.880 --> 0:55:11.040
<v Speaker 1>dark seconds, just the reality of this moment. So and

0:55:11.040 --> 0:55:14.400
<v Speaker 1>this one, people are are like. People are defenders of

0:55:14.800 --> 0:55:17.520
<v Speaker 1>Banks in this one right because this is like a

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<v Speaker 1>really big step towards her public rehabilitation. Well, based on

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<v Speaker 1>based on her social interactions over the past few years,

0:55:25.480 --> 0:55:28.200
<v Speaker 1>I would not invite her over for a weekend because

0:55:28.200 --> 0:55:30.360
<v Speaker 1>she just sounds like she gets drunk and super angry.

0:55:30.360 --> 0:55:33.799
<v Speaker 1>But I'm like really happy that she's been vindicated. Also

0:55:33.840 --> 0:55:36.520
<v Speaker 1>because everyone always calls her a liar, like she's she

0:55:36.680 --> 0:55:40.400
<v Speaker 1>was telling like a like a twisted fairy tale. It's like,

0:55:40.480 --> 0:55:43.759
<v Speaker 1>I'm in this mansion with these crazy people, and I'm

0:55:43.800 --> 0:55:48.319
<v Speaker 1>realizing that this collaboration is like not a thing I'm

0:55:48.400 --> 0:55:53.239
<v Speaker 1>trying to do. Um, it was really good content. We'll

0:55:53.320 --> 0:55:57.480
<v Speaker 1>check back on this story because it's I love this Sure,

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<v Speaker 1>well that doesn't for this week's call. Thanks everybody for listening.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, if you want to give us a call

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<v Speaker 1>at one to four oh four six night, you should

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<v Speaker 1>do that. Tell us weigh and on the Weigia board

0:56:11.320 --> 0:56:14.239
<v Speaker 1>question it's the great, the great moral debate of our

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<v Speaker 1>time apparently. Yeah, you guys know I'm right in your heart.

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<v Speaker 1>And thank you so much for Carve, to Carvell for

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<v Speaker 1>being here too. Yeah, thank you so much. Thanks Carvell

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<v Speaker 1>for coming on, and listen to Carvel. I'm closer than

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<v Speaker 1>they appear, and check him out in the New York

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<v Speaker 1>Times magazines. And mom and dad are fighting. Dad fighting,

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