Speaker 1: She took eighteen thousand dollars out of my business. She
Speaker 1: took a little over twenty dollars out of my parents.
Speaker 1: Laguna Beach c p A. Lizzie Mulder is racking up
Speaker 1: victims in Orange County as fast as waves lapping up
Speaker 1: on its shores. How much money did she get from you?
Speaker 1: She got me for like two eighty five altogether, tricking
Speaker 1: her clients into writing high dollar checks made out to
Speaker 1: income tax payments. They all think those checks are going
Speaker 1: to the I R S, but really they're getting deposited
Speaker 1: into a secret bank account that Lizzie Mulder creates called
Speaker 1: income tax payments. That's bullshit, man, I mean, that's lack
Speaker 1: of moral accountability. And while Lizzie's victims lose hundreds of
Speaker 1: thousands to her clever scam, Jen Rodriguez's boss is about
Speaker 1: to blow them all out of the water, because how
Speaker 1: much money did your boss end up losing? Millions? I'm
Speaker 1: Jonathan Walton and this is Queen of the Con The
Speaker 1: O C Savior, Episode five, Devil in the Den. Explain
Speaker 1: to me, how did Lizzie steal money from your boss?
Speaker 1: Blindly robbed her blind forensic accountant Jen Rodriguez intensely regrets
Speaker 1: being friends with Lizzie Mulder for a handful of years
Speaker 1: while working at the same company selling luxury experiences to
Speaker 1: high end clientele and her kids with my kids, What
Speaker 1: does that make you feel like? Now? What runs to
Speaker 1: your head? You know in a moment, sometimes I feel
Speaker 1: like a bad mom because I opened my family up,
Speaker 1: and you know, I kind of invited the devil into
Speaker 1: the den. That makes me uneasy because I do have
Speaker 1: a sense of responsibility to protect my family, and you know,
Speaker 1: I made them a little bit more vulnerable than they
Speaker 1: needed to be, And that's uneasy for sure. That's a regret.
Speaker 1: I feel the exact same way, like you invited this
Speaker 1: vampire into your world, and yeah, introduced them to people,
Speaker 1: vouched for them, vouched for them unwittingly helped them scam people, right,
Speaker 1: I know how you feel. Mari did that to me too,
Speaker 1: and Mary used our relationship to establish herself as this
Speaker 1: trustworthy person who knows, you know, my husband and I
Speaker 1: were good people. So like she uses our reputation to
Speaker 1: scam other people, and Lizzie Maulda did the same to you.
Speaker 1: When you realize that your vision of seeing the good
Speaker 1: in people is what caused so much pain and hurt
Speaker 1: to so many people. I feel like you blame yourself.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a level of respond instability, and you should.
Speaker 1: It's like a thing you have to go through. And
Speaker 1: there were so many things that as an accountant, as
Speaker 1: a controller, having a background, you know, knowing processes and protocol,
Speaker 1: and I just have to say, my husband always saw
Speaker 1: through Lizzie's bullshit. He always knew, like he had such intuition,
Speaker 1: like there's something not right. But at the time, you know,
Speaker 1: I would have never assumed somebody would steal like that
Speaker 1: is like the furthest thing from my mind. I couldn't
Speaker 1: even like that wasn't a thing. I thought, maybe, you know,
Speaker 1: she's a little arrogant, yeah, and a little statistic yeah.
Speaker 1: But I never would have thought there was more to
Speaker 1: that story. But he called it from the time he
Speaker 1: met her the first law and actually catches Lizzie in
Speaker 1: is that Salesforce database call that we talked about in
Speaker 1: the last episode. It's like a five thousand dollar subscription.
Speaker 1: I had told her, Lizzy, you need to pay this bill.
Speaker 1: There I'm shut down, and she had told me, I'm
Speaker 1: on the phone right now with the guy. Well, I
Speaker 1: was on the phone with the guy and she was
Speaker 1: texting me blow by blow, but I was on the
Speaker 1: phone with Salesforce and there was just no so you
Speaker 1: knew every single text at that point. It was a
Speaker 1: lot lie. Yeah, how did you find out Lizzie was
Speaker 1: up to no good with the fraud part or everything?
Speaker 1: It seems like it was a cascading series of events
Speaker 1: that happened one after the other. We realize she's she's
Speaker 1: been scamming your boss. But but how specifically, like what
Speaker 1: was the first sign? That was the first sign with
Speaker 1: the Salesforce called? However, in that moment, being naive to
Speaker 1: all of this, there's no way I would have ever
Speaker 1: put together that somebody created this being. I had no
Speaker 1: idea I was because it just seems so out of
Speaker 1: left field. Evil? Who could? Who still is it still is?
Speaker 1: Six years later, it's still on ad the mobile to me? However,
Speaker 1: what happened that really put it all into the tumbling
Speaker 1: snowball effect was one of our friends that Lizzie was
Speaker 1: good friends with called me and said, have you heard
Speaker 1: the rumors? There were rumors and what were those rumors
Speaker 1: that Lizzie had done some nefarious things. She had a
Speaker 1: bank account in one of their other friends names and
Speaker 1: credit cards and their names. And Jesse discovered all this
Speaker 1: stuff when Lizzie was gone on a vacation. Remember Jesse
Speaker 1: is Lizzie's husband, and at that time she said, she's
Speaker 1: writing these checks and their two income tax payments. Well,
Speaker 1: I happen to have all the mail told all this.
Speaker 1: You think she talked to me, Um, that's a big
Speaker 1: fat no. She won't talk to me, but thankfully Jen will.
Speaker 1: One of my greatest mentors, John Toms, like he always said,
Speaker 1: this is how you touch people is through stories. That's
Speaker 1: why I'm here with you. It's because, yeah, through this podcast,
Speaker 1: my story is going to touch a bookkeeper or a friend,
Speaker 1: a parent, a child, whatever, whoever. They're going to hear
Speaker 1: the story and hear your story and say, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: this is a thing like yes, Gen Rodriguez, a more
Speaker 1: benevolent creature you will never find anyway. After Jenny, here's
Speaker 1: the rumors that Lizzie is scanning people. She does what
Speaker 1: any good friend would do. I called Lucy and said,
Speaker 1: there's some things going on and rumors going around. Are
Speaker 1: you okay? And the panic and the fear in her voice.
Speaker 1: I mean, unless she is really a phenomenal actor. It
Speaker 1: felt to me her panic and fear in her voice
Speaker 1: is what made it really real for me, was because
Speaker 1: I realized, oh my, that she really did do this,
Speaker 1: like this is real. After that phone call, Jen gets
Speaker 1: very suspicious that things aren't adding up. She suddenly worries
Speaker 1: Lizzie is involved in something criminal. So gend decides to
Speaker 1: take matters into her own hands in an attempt to
Speaker 1: figure out what Lizzie's up to. I used to carry
Speaker 1: the mail from my boss and give it to Lizzie.
Speaker 1: I used to transfer back and forth, like you know.
Speaker 1: I'd get her mail and I'd give it to her.
Speaker 1: I never would open her mail because it just wasn't
Speaker 1: part of my duty or my responsibilities. I just was
Speaker 1: a courier for the mail. And I happen to have
Speaker 1: a stack of her mail, and I ripped open a
Speaker 1: big statement right then and there and saw right there
Speaker 1: on the bank statement that there was a check for
Speaker 1: eight thousand dollars to income tax payments. And I literally
Speaker 1: almost vomited, Oh my God, like vomited, because you knew
Speaker 1: at that point that that's going into Lizzie's account. Well,
Speaker 1: I didn't even go to that place yet because that
Speaker 1: was even like we you have account with income tax payments,
Speaker 1: like what it was so unfathols. It's like dreaming up
Speaker 1: the Game of Thrones, Like how could you dream that up?
Speaker 1: Like like there were so many layers, because I don't
Speaker 1: think most people would think they could open an account
Speaker 1: at a bank called income tax payments. People think the
Speaker 1: bank would flag it, but you would think they won't.
Speaker 1: They won't. Lizzie Malder takes income tax payment checks from
Speaker 1: Jen's boss for five years. She would sit down with
Speaker 1: her and prepare her quarterly numbers based off her business
Speaker 1: sales and revenue, and she would say, okay, this is
Speaker 1: what you need to pay for your estimated taxes, and
Speaker 1: she would prepare payment, she would sign the check, she
Speaker 1: would take the check, she would leave her house and
Speaker 1: go and deposit the check directly into our bank account
Speaker 1: income tax payments. But her bank account was really Molder
Speaker 1: Financial and Consulting, And then she had a d b
Speaker 1: A underneath that account is income tax payment, which was
Speaker 1: really clever because technically, in Bake jargon, the income tax payment,
Speaker 1: the d B A is technically a third party d
Speaker 1: b A which means doing business as so they're technically
Speaker 1: not clients of the bank, which is this great banking law.
Speaker 1: It's a loophole that she either was a complete genius
Speaker 1: or she got really lucky because she's letting now the
Speaker 1: bank off the hook. Yes, because income tax Payments technically
Speaker 1: didn't open the account, Mulder Financial did, so she created
Speaker 1: a layer. And this is very common in con you know,
Speaker 1: like when you have money wiring, you do a lot
Speaker 1: of layering because it helps to hide it. Lizzie Mulder
Speaker 1: is a crafty one for sure to create layers. As
Speaker 1: Jen says, not only does Lizzie use a d b
Speaker 1: A called income Tax Payments to open a new bank account,
Speaker 1: Detective Iraqi and uncovers Lizzie actually has Jesse, her husband
Speaker 1: opened that bank account for her, so she's not directly
Speaker 1: connected to it at all. Every month in Lizzie's Bank
Speaker 1: of America account that we found actually completely by accident.
Speaker 1: So when you execute a search warrant to the bank,
Speaker 1: you have to be very specific. I need all the
Speaker 1: accounts under this name, this social security number. So Bank
Speaker 1: of America returned the search warrant and I had Molder
Speaker 1: Financial Right, which is Lizzie's accounting business. And when I
Speaker 1: got that search warrant back, I'm looking at it and
Speaker 1: I'm not really seeing anything suspicious. Had a balance of
Speaker 1: like eight grand, you know, ten thousand in deposits, twelve
Speaker 1: thousand in withdraws, you know, just normal everyday transactions. And
Speaker 1: I called Bank of America and I said, something's wrong
Speaker 1: here because this woman is cashing these checks. And the
Speaker 1: Bank of America investigator, they're very limited on what they
Speaker 1: can tell us. They could, they have to stay within
Speaker 1: the search warrant. And so the investigator, which is usually
Speaker 1: a retired cop right says, well, there's another account here,
Speaker 1: but it's not under Lizzie Moulder. She's an authorized signer
Speaker 1: on the account. So like if your husband has a
Speaker 1: bank account and he adds you as a signer, you
Speaker 1: can essentially go into the bank and cash a check, right,
Speaker 1: but it's his account. But it's his account, and if
Speaker 1: Detective Moracian issues a search warrant on you, his account
Speaker 1: is not going to show up. So what Lizzie had
Speaker 1: done is she created Income Tax Payments dB A doing
Speaker 1: business as under Jesse Moulder, her husband, and then added
Speaker 1: herself as a signer, and that is completely intentional distance herself.
Speaker 1: She must have known it wouldn't come up in a
Speaker 1: search warrant like that's pretty fucking meticulous. Either that or
Speaker 1: she didn't care if Jesse got caught. Most con artists
Speaker 1: are psychopaths, incapable of feeling empathy for other human beings,
Speaker 1: so maybe she really doesn't care if her husband, Jesse
Speaker 1: gets caught. The other thing about psychopaths is they're compulsive
Speaker 1: and convincing liars, and most victims don't discover the lie
Speaker 1: until it's way too late. Part of what she did, too,
Speaker 1: is she diminished my knowledge to my boss because my
Speaker 1: boss would never listen. If I would say, hey, this
Speaker 1: doesn't quite make sense, you would get batted down. So
Speaker 1: she was programming your boss against you, and you against
Speaker 1: your boss. She probably was I swear, divide and conquer.
Speaker 1: It's every con artist's first move. Don't you think Lizzie
Speaker 1: was talking ship about Jen to Jen's boss, And that's
Speaker 1: one of the reasons maybe Jen's boss was so dismissive
Speaker 1: when Jen would points out things. Detective Iraqian is now
Speaker 1: keenly aware of the entirety of Lizzie Malder's m O.
Speaker 1: One of the things Lizzie was famous for is in
Speaker 1: a roundabout way, making people feel stupid, right, like, you
Speaker 1: know what, you run a podcast, I'm an accountant. Let
Speaker 1: me handle it, right, you just focus on your podcast.
Speaker 1: That's kind of how she would talk to people. And
Speaker 1: every single victim I talked to said the same thing.
Speaker 1: They said, Yeah. Every time I would start asking questions,
Speaker 1: she would just get dismissive or she would throw a
Speaker 1: temper tantrum and just get angry, like consulted, how dare I?
Speaker 1: How dare you? I? Pepper died right, and and so
Speaker 1: Jen's are very like not m a stake kind of person,
Speaker 1: and Lizzie kind of browbeats people into hey, you you
Speaker 1: stay in your life. And that's how Lizzie operates. And
Speaker 1: Lizzie's lane is her income tax payment bank account scam,
Speaker 1: but that isn't the only method she employs. Took con
Speaker 1: money out of Jen's boss. Lizzie was supposed to get
Speaker 1: a quote for business insurance and it was supposed to
Speaker 1: be for five and Lizzie wrote the check for five thousand,
Speaker 1: and my boss caught it and she was able to
Speaker 1: get the money back, which was kind of interesting, but
Speaker 1: she made it out to this mystery person that was
Speaker 1: supposedly this insurance agent and that wasn't even real. When
Speaker 1: I went on vacation is when she had a heyday
Speaker 1: because she took the checks that I wrote to vendors
Speaker 1: and cash him into personal check. Did she write checks
Speaker 1: to Lizzie Molder or her company or income tax payments?
Speaker 1: It wasn't even to anything. It was to other vendors.
Speaker 1: But the bank never caught it. Oh, so she just
Speaker 1: deposited us checks in her account. Boy, banks are sloppy.
Speaker 1: You think when you write the name on the check
Speaker 1: that only that person can cash it, but it's not
Speaker 1: the case. And the reason why in for all of
Speaker 1: us consumers and people that want to get their money fast,
Speaker 1: is because check deposits are automated and so they go
Speaker 1: through so unless something is flagged, then it's not caught.
Speaker 1: Often there were so many checks that didn't have signatures
Speaker 1: that she didn't even they weren't even signed, but they
Speaker 1: never got caught and the bank cashed them. And the
Speaker 1: bank cashed them without even catching it. So many Lizzie
Speaker 1: steals more than eight hundred thousand dollars from Jen's boss,
Speaker 1: which is a fortune, but the financial fallout Lizzie scams
Speaker 1: create and I r s penalties and legal fees is
Speaker 1: way more than that. How much money did your boss
Speaker 1: end up losing millions, millions of dollars because of Lizzie Mulder? Gosh,
Speaker 1: that would devastate anyone. And in the same way that
Speaker 1: my con artist, the Irish Heiress changes the actory of
Speaker 1: my life, forever con artist Lizzie Maulder changes the trajectory
Speaker 1: of Jen's life too. At the time, you were not
Speaker 1: a forensic accountant, So this whole experience with Lizzie Maulder
Speaker 1: inspired you to become out of almost necessity. Yes, first
Speaker 1: of all, I've had sixteen or eighteen years of accounting experience,
Speaker 1: day to day operations, being a controller, reconciliation, like all
Speaker 1: the things that you do to run a business. But
Speaker 1: at the time, when I was younger, a forensic accountant
Speaker 1: was when you know, you sue a partner and you
Speaker 1: need to go through their books, or you're getting divorced
Speaker 1: and you need to go through your ex husband's books.
Speaker 1: Forensic accounting wasn't hey, let's look at fraud. This is
Speaker 1: fairly new. It's now more a thing than ever. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's really not new, but we're experiencing it more so.
Speaker 1: At the same time, Jen is going through all her
Speaker 1: boss's financial records to ferret out exactly how Lizzie Maulder
Speaker 1: scammed her. She's studying for an entirely new career. I
Speaker 1: threw myself into school and I got a master's in
Speaker 1: forensic accounting Digital forensics with the concentration data analytics also,
Speaker 1: because that's what it really boils down to is looking
Speaker 1: at a lot of data. You are amazing and I'm
Speaker 1: not the only one who thinks so. Jen was friends
Speaker 1: with Lizzie Moulder, and Jen started discovering this fraud before
Speaker 1: I even called her. Detector Jordan Moracian quickly figures out
Speaker 1: that soon to be forensic accountant Jen Rodriguez is about
Speaker 1: to become a powerful ally. Jen's boss. She's operating this
Speaker 1: business and she's got Jen Rodriguez who is doing a
Speaker 1: lot of the accounting and bookkeeping, and she's also got
Speaker 1: Lizzie who's the accountant. And so when Jed, who is
Speaker 1: very meticulous, is sending these records to Lizzie and Lizzie's
Speaker 1: refusing to send things back Jen starts getting suspicious and
Speaker 1: going to her boss, who's a friend. But in Jen's
Speaker 1: boss's ear is this Pepperdine educated accountant who's very manipulative.
Speaker 1: And you have to understand the personality of Jen Rodriguez's boss.
Speaker 1: You know, if she were to take her car to
Speaker 1: get washed and they were to say, would you like
Speaker 1: us to wax it, she'd say, I don't know. You
Speaker 1: guys do the car wash. You do whatever you think
Speaker 1: you need to do, and just tell me how much. Right.
Speaker 1: She's not a numbers person, you know, And that's why
Speaker 1: Lizzie was able to get so many checks out of her.
Speaker 1: Jen discovered very early on, like before things got really bad.
Speaker 1: Jen discovered a check that was out of place, like, hey,
Speaker 1: this doesn't make sense. This check was cashed twice or whatever,
Speaker 1: and Jen contacted Lizzie. Lizzie blew up, and Jen brought
Speaker 1: it to her boss's attention, and within minutes Lizzie had
Speaker 1: cleared it up. Lizzie had an email from a fake
Speaker 1: person saying, our mistake, we didn't mean to cash that check.
Speaker 1: We've refunded you the money. Here you go, and and
Speaker 1: Lizzie immediately deposits some money back and account. Jen, who
Speaker 1: can't see the account, just sees this email and it's like, well,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna keep my eye on her. But it looks
Speaker 1: like it was a mistake. But it wasn't a mistake.
Speaker 1: It was it was part of the Czech frond scheme.
Speaker 1: Jen and Detective Iraqian hit it off almost immediately. How
Speaker 1: did Detective Morakian enter your life? Okay, so we met
Speaker 1: first only on the phone and called yes, I think
Speaker 1: he had reached out to my boss, and then my
Speaker 1: boss gave him approval to talk to me and he
Speaker 1: called me, and I remember I was in the car
Speaker 1: with my husband and my son, and I remember thinking like,
Speaker 1: this is really a thing, like a police police officers
Speaker 1: calling me, you know, And I got to talk to him.
Speaker 1: And shortly after that phone call, Jen Rodriguez becomes instrumental
Speaker 1: in the Lizzie Mulder investigation. Jen Rodriguez is really kind
Speaker 1: of the person that helped keep me organized and also
Speaker 1: helped explain that scheme because that's tricky to follow, It's
Speaker 1: very tricky. Jen Rodriguez is really good with numbers, so
Speaker 1: she starts assisting Detective Miraqian with untangling the complicated financial
Speaker 1: web of scams that Lizzie Mulder pulls on her boss.
Speaker 1: So you had an accounting background, yes, and you started
Speaker 1: helping detective Miraqian with all these numbers, trying to trace
Speaker 1: the money and figure out put the pieces together. And
Speaker 1: so then I start telling him where the money had gone.
Speaker 1: It had already tracked that it was going to this one,
Speaker 1: found the A, B A. And I was able to
Speaker 1: find just some little pieces that I knew, not knowing
Speaker 1: that I was like really doing detective work, but just
Speaker 1: trying to follow the money. Right, money's gone, you gotta
Speaker 1: follow the money. Common sense. So we talked and we
Speaker 1: put it together. You know, it developed so organically because
Speaker 1: he had skills and tools and things that I didn't have.
Speaker 1: Like so I would say, can you subpoena death? And
Speaker 1: like if we get the bank records, we can find that.
Speaker 1: You would point out things that he didn't necessarily know
Speaker 1: he needed, or he would say like we could do this,
Speaker 1: and I be like, oh, if we could do this,
Speaker 1: we could get that. Like H and R block was one.
Speaker 1: I think he had a subpoena because I was like, well,
Speaker 1: if we could see she used H and R block
Speaker 1: to file all these taxes, we can see where the
Speaker 1: money went. So that was like one thing. He was
Speaker 1: able to do that. So at first I felt like
Speaker 1: sometimes we were throwing pasta against the wall to see
Speaker 1: what it would stick. I probably wasted a lot of
Speaker 1: energy and time because I was just trying to find everything.
Speaker 1: Right now, I know that you need to have a
Speaker 1: little bit more our focus intention when you're working, but
Speaker 1: I was just consuming everything I could because I wanted
Speaker 1: to understand you wanted justice and they wanted to hopefully
Speaker 1: find the money. I thought, Oh, if I could just
Speaker 1: get the money, it'll I'll be okay. You can help
Speaker 1: your boss, Yeah, they'll be okay. Gen Rodriguez is truly
Speaker 1: a godsend for Detective Miraqian because the Lizzie Maulder case
Speaker 1: is quickly getting insanely complicated and expansive as Detective Miraqian
Speaker 1: starts finding more and more victims and tries to convince
Speaker 1: each and every one of them to press charges. The
Speaker 1: deputy disattorney who prosecuted my case, my con artist told
Speaker 1: me at the onset because it would be like twenty
Speaker 1: something court appearances over like more than a year. It
Speaker 1: took so much of my time and off work and everything.
Speaker 1: He said, most people in your position just stopped coming
Speaker 1: to court and we have to drop the chargers. You
Speaker 1: have to drop the case, Like that's not happening. But
Speaker 1: I understand. It can wear you down and people don't
Speaker 1: want to dissipate, and if you don't participate, they there's
Speaker 1: no case. They dismiss it. And I stayed on these victims.
Speaker 1: They all have my personal cell, which is amazing. I
Speaker 1: was calling them, checking in with them, just keeping them
Speaker 1: from giving up. And it wasn't because I'm this great detective.
Speaker 1: It was because I had put so much of my
Speaker 1: time into it that I didn't want to lose it
Speaker 1: based on someone deciding last minute they wanted to back out.
Speaker 1: It would have been incredibly frustrating and it would have
Speaker 1: been a disservice to everybody else. Yeah. I was taking
Speaker 1: calls at all hours of the night to keep victims
Speaker 1: in in the fight. Right, My wife, who never complains
Speaker 1: about anything, started complaining. She started saying, you're always on
Speaker 1: your face this case. It's sucking up. You'd think Laguna
Speaker 1: Beach p D would be circling the wagons right about
Speaker 1: now and assisting their ace detective with this incredibly complicated
Speaker 1: and far reaching case. But you'd be dead wrong. I
Speaker 1: didn't get very much suppoor from my department. Why they
Speaker 1: run a business. Essentially, we're gonna Beach PD runs a business,
Speaker 1: and their businesses the entire community, not just this one victim, right,
Speaker 1: which I understand. But I think police departments as a whole,
Speaker 1: not the one I work for now, But I think
Speaker 1: police departments as a whole. Stop looking at people as
Speaker 1: people your case number eighteen dash zero zero one seven one,
Speaker 1: you know. And I kept trying to explain to my
Speaker 1: command staff, this is bigger than Laguna. I had a
Speaker 1: number of detectives blow me off from other departments. I
Speaker 1: had some that were very helpful. Newport Beach PD was
Speaker 1: very helpful, but there were a couple other jurisdictions that, yeah, dude,
Speaker 1: whatever you want to do with this case, that's yours.
Speaker 1: I don't want any part of it. Cool right. So
Speaker 1: when I say they weren't cooperative or weren't helpful, what
Speaker 1: I mean by that is I was trying to get
Speaker 1: them to shoulder some of this investigation right, to put
Speaker 1: some hours in so you're not taking calls with your
Speaker 1: wife in bed at night, or I'm not driving all
Speaker 1: the way out San clement A to interview the victims
Speaker 1: when they could send their local people. So you didn't
Speaker 1: get much support. You kind of inadvertently recruited Jen because
Speaker 1: nobody was helping you. And here you have Jen who's
Speaker 1: savvy with numbers and accounting and knows all this stuff.
Speaker 1: She kind of became your investigator. She like helped you
Speaker 1: with this case, right, And that's why I'm always very
Speaker 1: quick to give her credit. You know, Jen would get
Speaker 1: spreadsheets done for me on Excel that would normally take
Speaker 1: me an entire day. I'm just a beat cop, right,
Speaker 1: I'm just a guy who goes out knuckle dragging beat
Speaker 1: cop who has a grease board and he's writing a
Speaker 1: bunch of numbers on a grease board that could be
Speaker 1: erased by the cleaning crew. And I've got do not
Speaker 1: a race on it, it's not scientific. Whereas I've got
Speaker 1: gen Rodriguez sending me an Excel spreadsheets and like I
Speaker 1: would lose the check, got you can't find this one
Speaker 1: check And she'd be like, oh, I got it, check
Speaker 1: your email. I mean just very organized. Jordan and I
Speaker 1: were like obsessed, Like I mean, I literally left like
Speaker 1: one hour a night for like three years. You know,
Speaker 1: we had to get to it. We had to get
Speaker 1: to all the answers, and those answers are coming from
Speaker 1: a multitude of directions. While victims like Jay and Marla
Speaker 1: Avery from jack Wines show up and report Lizzie Mulder
Speaker 1: directly to police, but when we did talk to Jordan Rocky,
Speaker 1: he was like the first person not to make me
Speaker 1: feel crazy. Other victims first surface as random names on
Speaker 1: some of Lizzie's forged documents, victims like Mike Cochrane. Lizzie
Speaker 1: Mulder entered our life when I was the owner and
Speaker 1: operator of print shop down in Irvine. But by far
Speaker 1: the most bizarre twist in this con case is the
Speaker 1: day Jesse Mulder Lizzie his husband shows up but Laguna BEACHPD,
Speaker 1: seemingly out of the blue and drops a dime on
Speaker 1: his wife. I'm walking out of the station and in
Speaker 1: walks Jesse Moulder. I need to talk to a detective. Wow,
Speaker 1: I mean literally like just like that. I look at him,
Speaker 1: I'm a detective, how can I help you? And he says,
Speaker 1: I'm a firefighter And I think my wife is scamming
Speaker 1: her clients out of money, and I'm afraid that she's
Speaker 1: got me involved in it. All right, let's talk. So
Speaker 1: Jesse's with a friend of his who is an attorney,
Speaker 1: not necessarily his attorney, but an attorney. So we sit
Speaker 1: down in the conference room and Jesse proceeds to tell
Speaker 1: me this story. And I don't know that he's married
Speaker 1: to Lizzie Moulder. So Jesse sits down with me. He
Speaker 1: tells me how he's a brand new firefighter in the
Speaker 1: city of Orange. He's married to a woman named Lizzie
Speaker 1: or he called her Aizabeth, and she's an accountant. And
Speaker 1: I came home because I thought she was cheating on me.
Speaker 1: I started going through the mail and I found all
Speaker 1: these bills for all these different people, and all these
Speaker 1: credit cards that are in her name and in the
Speaker 1: name of her business, and I think she's scamming people
Speaker 1: out of millions of dollars. And I didn't put two
Speaker 1: and two together yet, and I said, well, what's your
Speaker 1: wife's name? And he goes Elizabeth Mulder, but she goes
Speaker 1: by Lizzie and I went, okay, uh, yeah, we need
Speaker 1: to talk next time. On Queen of the con the
Speaker 1: O C. Savior, Lizzie Mulder and Bushes. Detective Morackian, how
Speaker 1: the hell did that happen? Lizzie showed up, quote unquote,
Speaker 1: just showed up, happened to be in the neighborhood, but
Speaker 1: in the end it comes back to bite her hard.
Speaker 1: So yeah, out con the con at that point, and
Speaker 1: they coned me at first. I played queen of the con.
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