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Speaker 1: to me, how did Lizzie steal money from your boss?

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Speaker 1: Blindly robbed her blind forensic accountant Jen Rodriguez intensely regrets

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Speaker 1: some of Lizzie's forged documents, victims like Mike Cochrane. Lizzie

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Speaker 1: I mean literally like just like that. I look at him,

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Speaker 1: got me involved in it. All right, let's talk. So

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Speaker 1: O C. Savior, Lizzie Mulder and Bushes. Detective Morackian, how

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Speaker 1: the hell did that happen? Lizzie showed up, quote unquote,

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Speaker 1: So yeah, out con the con at that point, and

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Speaker 1: they coned me at first. I played queen of the con.

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