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Speaker 1: The San Antonio District judge resigns after a federal corruption probe.

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Speaker 2: A former San Antonio, Texas judge goes to federal prison

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Speaker 2: after pleading guilty to accepting bribes in exchange for rigging

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Speaker 2: cases in his court. Angus McGuinty committed the ultimate judicial sin.

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Speaker 2: Why did you do it?

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Speaker 3: I did it because I was foolish.

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Speaker 2: Listen to How to Bribe a Judge on Revolver podcast

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Speaker 1: The John Annick and Kenny Florian Podcast John Annick and

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Speaker 1: Kenny Florian.

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Speaker 3: I fucking love him.

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Speaker 4: I can't get enough of him.

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Speaker 3: Let's hear that, Birthna.

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Speaker 4: Brekers.

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Speaker 5: There are a couple of absolutely self involved bullshit artist.

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Speaker 4: Here're your hosts, John Annick and Kenny Florian. All right,

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Speaker 4: great to be back with you. Monday, December thirteenth, twenty

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Speaker 4: twenty one. It's episode three twenty eight of the Anaic

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Speaker 4: Employing Podcast. I guess this is the one. This is

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Speaker 4: the most antipate anticipated episode in the history of the program.

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Speaker 4: Ken flow back from New England. I don't know how

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Speaker 4: cold it was in Manchester, Connecticut. It was absolutely freezing

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Speaker 4: in Las Vegas in the thirties. That's crazy, you know.

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Speaker 6: Actually I think it was significantly warmer, probably twice as

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Speaker 6: warm in Connecticut. I was in Connecticut doing a seminar

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Speaker 6: over at Bushido jiu Jitsu in Manchester, Connecticut. Thank you

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Speaker 6: and shout out to those guys. But yeah, it was

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Speaker 6: like in the seventies or something like low seventies, high sixties.

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Speaker 4: Crazy about that.

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Speaker 6: But I've I've been, I've bit in Vegas when it

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Speaker 6: gets really cold and it throws you for a loop.

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Speaker 6: It's really cold in the desert over there.

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Speaker 4: Jiu Jitsu seminar for Ken Flow in New England. We

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Speaker 4: were just talking in our little pre show meeting there

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Speaker 4: about Andre moon Niz, who's absolutely incredible wins by armbar

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Speaker 4: over Eric Anders as he continues to collect arms in

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Speaker 4: the UFC. We probably won't get that far down the

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Speaker 4: card to the early prelims, if I'm being honest, because

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Speaker 4: there's probably twenty five or thirty minutes off the top,

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Speaker 4: just on Juliana Pena. But do you know the origins

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Speaker 4: of Brazilian jiu jitsu being referred to as the gentle

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Speaker 4: art because I know we joke about it, right, but

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Speaker 4: it doesn't at all seem an appropriate nickname for that

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Speaker 4: type of endeavor at all, Like it's not funny anymore. Really,

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Speaker 4: Like what's the.

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Speaker 6: Other sing you know it's supposed to be. It comes

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Speaker 6: from Judo, I believe, Jigaro Kano, and you know that

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Speaker 6: was the philosophy, was to use the gentle way, the

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Speaker 6: soft way of executing things like throws and you know,

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Speaker 6: arm bars and things like that. The result of those

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Speaker 6: gentle movements, though, are often very violent and crushing, so

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Speaker 6: not so gentle in that way. But in the application

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Speaker 6: of it, the idea is is to be gentle and soft.

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Speaker 6: But sometimes in being gentle and soft, you just happen

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Speaker 6: to choke neck, break knee right, break ankles and break

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Speaker 4: Shoulder right right. Let me softly choke you to sleep

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Speaker 4: and when you wake up they'll be fine, which is

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Speaker 4: the case. We just like hold your leg is up

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Speaker 4: or something. You know, all of it super fucking gentle. Uh. Anyway,

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Speaker 4: I am getting the itch bahoompa, maybe gonna pad out

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Speaker 4: my garage, Like what's my wife gonna say? Like, because

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Speaker 4: he's offered to pad out my garage with these dollarmer

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Speaker 4: mats and so my wife are gonna, you're gonna, you're

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Speaker 4: gonna Matt the garage to take five classes of Brazilian

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Speaker 4: jiu jitsu. I mean, you know, well, and.

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Speaker 6: Then he's gonna he's gonna ruin your smoking station, by

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Speaker 6: the way, which.

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Speaker 4: Is that's right, that's right, that's right, that's jugs retreat

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Speaker 4: right there. That's children are getting older those so, uh,

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Speaker 4: you know, I know, might have to take up drinking

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Speaker 4: alcohol because it doesn't smell all right. Well, let's get

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Speaker 4: to Julian Openia. Man, I kind of want to lead

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Speaker 4: with Charlie Olives though you know, I don't want to

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Speaker 4: think like a television producer here. I mean, but let's

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Speaker 4: let's lead with uh, let's lead with Julian Openia because

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Speaker 4: I think that, uh, it's a longer conversation. So the

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Speaker 4: Venezuelan Vixen plus six point fifty or so turns in

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Speaker 4: one of the biggest upsets in UFC history. She beats

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Speaker 4: Amanda Nunez by rear naked choke in round two. Ken Flow,

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Speaker 4: You're in a bar in New England. You're watching this

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Speaker 6: I talked about it's hard, right because I don't want

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Speaker 6: But she used the one thing that she knew she

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Speaker 6: She made it a game of who had more of that,

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Speaker 4: You as a fighter, you need to.

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Speaker 6: Understand what you have and who you are, and you

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Speaker 6: For Panya, it seemed because I don't care who you are.

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Speaker 6: If you're a pro fighter and you get some brawler

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Speaker 6: and that was just not the case. Panya was too

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Speaker 6: ultimately Panya ended up pulling off one of the biggest

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Speaker 4: He catches and he wins.

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Speaker 6: Shortly after this was repeated car crashes by Nonez again

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Speaker 4: You set it up beautifully for me. You know, Juliana

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Speaker 4: Penya is tough. I mean, you know, she has heart,

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Speaker 4: she's resilient, she was in shape, she was healthy, which

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Speaker 4: a dominant round for Amanda Noonez, even though I didn't

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Speaker 4: like some of the smirking from Amandad. I don't know.

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Speaker 4: Body language was different for me for a man to

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Speaker 4: But a big part of their messaging Kenny, even in

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Speaker 4: I talked to Luis Claudio, one of Juliana Penny's coaches,

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Speaker 6: I will say this, it's interesting you bring this up

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Speaker 6: and she responded to Rick Littelwan and said, every time

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Speaker 6: this was her fighter's intuition that took over and said,

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Speaker 6: and just I'm gonna lead with my toughness. I'm gonna

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Speaker 6: lead with my chin Yeah, and fuck it, this is

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Speaker 6: I don't know if that was on her herself, you know,

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Speaker 4: It was bath and when you said lead with her toughness, honestly,

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Speaker 4: it gave me chills. So as far as Amana Nunez

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Speaker 4: You know, sometimes we see Nuon at one hundred and

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Speaker 4: I don't know. Yeah, it's a tough one, you know.

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Speaker 6: I think that it's very difficult when you are the

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Speaker 6: and you know what, skills wise, she is head and

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Speaker 6: always win fights. Your heart is going to be tested oftentimes,

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Speaker 6: And I felt like her composure was kind of thrown

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Speaker 6: I don't know what her mental state was heading into

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Speaker 6: reality is there's a lot of hungry people out there

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Speaker 6: and Panya is not someone to be underestimated. She's going

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Speaker 4: sort of engaged in Charles's type of fight. You know,

429
00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:21,399
Speaker 4: I think we all knew there was a decided grappling

430
00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:25,640
Speaker 4: and wrestling advantage for Charles Olivera and maybe the striking

431
00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:28,000
Speaker 4: on the feet was closer than we thought. But what

432
00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:30,320
Speaker 4: did you make a Poorier's performance in defeat?

433
00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:34,119
Speaker 6: You know, I thought that he did a good job

434
00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:39,200
Speaker 6: in round one. I thought his left hand was scoring repeatedly.

435
00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:44,440
Speaker 6: He made a couple critical mistakes, and both of them

436
00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:49,080
Speaker 6: happened during the grapple, the exchanges. One one happened while

437
00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:51,560
Speaker 6: he was in that oma plata, which is that shoulder

438
00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:54,800
Speaker 6: lock with the legs of OLIVERA. Now, Olivera did grab

439
00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:56,760
Speaker 6: that glove. There was two incidents where he had it

440
00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:58,880
Speaker 6: for a couple seconds. He grabbed the inside of the glove,

441
00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:03,280
Speaker 6: which is illegal. Hard to see in the moment, whatever,

442
00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:06,760
Speaker 6: that wasn't the indicator even if you're grabbing the inside

443
00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:10,800
Speaker 6: of the glove. Dustin Poitier's posture was just not good.

444
00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:13,720
Speaker 6: You cannot you cannot be in that posture. And there

445
00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,600
Speaker 6: was nothing that was preventing him from getting up. All

446
00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:19,320
Speaker 6: you gotta do get your hips underneath your head, get

447
00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:21,880
Speaker 6: your posture back, and turn and face. And he did

448
00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:24,560
Speaker 6: not do that. He ended up rolling out for some reason,

449
00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:27,560
Speaker 6: you know. And then that led to Olivery getting on

450
00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:32,439
Speaker 6: top and just really dominating round two, round three, instead

451
00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:34,920
Speaker 6: of fighting, instead of fighting.

452
00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:37,480
Speaker 4: The choke and not allowing that arm to get underneath

453
00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:37,800
Speaker 4: the neck.

454
00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:40,719
Speaker 6: He starts fighting hands and he did this against Habib

455
00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:45,200
Speaker 6: as well, and you'd think he'd learned from this, and again,

456
00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:48,439
Speaker 6: Pooria an amazing fighter. So I'm just I'm just stating facts.

457
00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:51,120
Speaker 6: As a jiu jitsu mixed martial arts from the outside end.

458
00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:53,680
Speaker 6: That was a huge error. You cannot do that. If

459
00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:56,040
Speaker 6: someone's trying to get through the door. You don't start

460
00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:59,120
Speaker 6: closing all the windows, right, You dress the fucking door

461
00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:01,800
Speaker 6: that's in front of you. And this is what's gonna

462
00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:04,240
Speaker 6: choke him. Who cares about the hands? If that's underneath

463
00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:07,119
Speaker 6: the neck, you gotta address that choke. And he didn't

464
00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:10,080
Speaker 6: do it. And this again he did it again from

465
00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:12,560
Speaker 6: the Habib fight. So it's it's unfortunately he didn't learn

466
00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:14,960
Speaker 6: from that again and probably was gonna go on to

467
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:18,080
Speaker 6: lose that round or ultimately get choked out anyway. But

468
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:21,520
Speaker 6: that was the determining factor and in him getting submitted.

469
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:24,280
Speaker 6: And of course you have a phenom when it comes

470
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:26,439
Speaker 6: to the submission game, introls Oliver, So I don't right

471
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:28,679
Speaker 6: away from him, but there was a mistake made and

472
00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:29,600
Speaker 6: I have to point that out.

473
00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,879
Speaker 4: Is some of the posturing issue just have to do

474
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:36,120
Speaker 4: with the fear of everything that Charles can do that

475
00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:39,840
Speaker 4: if you do this, then X happens. And great question.

476
00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:40,800
Speaker 4: Great question.

477
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:42,800
Speaker 6: If he turned in face a lot of times, the

478
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:45,600
Speaker 6: threat is of that triangle, and with Oliver's long legs,

479
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:47,720
Speaker 6: perhaps that he was thinking, hey, if I turn it

480
00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:50,399
Speaker 6: face and get posture, maybe he'll shoot that triangle and

481
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:53,719
Speaker 6: combo off of that, which is a common double attack

482
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:57,000
Speaker 6: from that move. But regardless, the posture is going to

483
00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:59,280
Speaker 6: take care of the triangle as well. And and again

484
00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,720
Speaker 6: it's it's a tough one, you know. It's it's real

485
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:04,920
Speaker 6: easy for me to say it from from the outside

486
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,439
Speaker 6: looking in. I don't know what he was feeling, but

487
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:11,240
Speaker 6: that's just you know, having watched a lot of Jids

488
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:13,680
Speaker 6: do at MMA over the years, I saw that as

489
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 6: a critical point in that round. And you know, again,

490
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 6: it's a huge credit to Oliver for attacking that and

491
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:25,520
Speaker 6: identifying that mistake and taking full advantage of it.

492
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 4: Oliver is just phenomenal. Had almost six minutes of ground

493
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,359
Speaker 4: control time or control time, i should say, despite being

494
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 4: zero for six on takedowns, which is is pretty incredible.

495
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 4: But I don't know, it's gonna be interesting to see

496
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:40,280
Speaker 4: him now moving forward against Justin Gaegee. I really hope

497
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,480
Speaker 4: he gets to defend this belt in Brazil because there's

498
00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:45,119
Speaker 4: just something so special about that atmosphere, and obviously we

499
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:47,240
Speaker 4: have not been there in a while, so I don't

500
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:49,520
Speaker 4: know if that's gonna happen. But you got a quick

501
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,119
Speaker 4: handicap for us on Charles Oliver and Gaigie. Certainly the

502
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:55,119
Speaker 4: champion is going to be the favorite. But a fascinating

503
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 4: stylistic clash. And you can be sure Gaigie's in full

504
00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:00,520
Speaker 4: fledged training camp mode, like right now he's where so

505
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:02,159
Speaker 4: it sure is.

506
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 6: And again I see this being a similar fight, you know,

507
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,720
Speaker 6: to this one with Dustin Poier, with you know, Geechee

508
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:15,159
Speaker 6: having that very similar attitude of surviving and persevering and

509
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 6: leading with his heart. And I think the difference for

510
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:22,240
Speaker 6: me is olivera can't take those same shots that he

511
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:24,960
Speaker 6: took against Pooria. If he takes you know, two or

512
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 6: three of those crosses that he took against Poorier against

513
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 6: Gei Chee, it might be lights out completely. Gei Chie

514
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:36,440
Speaker 6: just hits harder than Poorier, right my opinion. However, Gaichie

515
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:39,480
Speaker 6: doesn't have half of the grappling that Poorier has.

516
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:41,160
Speaker 4: Maybe on the wrestling side.

517
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:46,920
Speaker 6: Uh So, OLIVERA still can expose that grappling weakness of Gaichee.

518
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 4: Uh So, as far as.

519
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:52,480
Speaker 6: Uh you know how I see that, I think OLIVERA

520
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:54,200
Speaker 6: would probably come out as a slight favorite.

521
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,200
Speaker 4: I think, yeah, so Oliver about a two to one

522
00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 4: favorite minus one ninety or so, justin Geige plus one

523
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 4: sixty five or so. But you know, as far as

524
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 4: Pourier is concerned and his future, you know, I think

525
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:10,880
Speaker 4: some people kind of minimize the fact that he had

526
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:14,200
Speaker 4: three big fights inside of a calendar year because the

527
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,879
Speaker 4: Connor McGregor fights were short, even though the training camps

528
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 4: were long. Dominic Cruz in twenty sixteen, I talked about

529
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:23,200
Speaker 4: it a lot, felt like it was just biting off

530
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,879
Speaker 4: more than he could chew, going Dila Shawn January, Faber

531
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 4: in July, and then Cody Garbrant in December of twenty sixteen.

532
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:32,160
Speaker 4: I believe it was, And so I asked Dustin about

533
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 4: that in our fighter meeting and it was the shortest

534
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 4: answer he's given me in like twenty fighter meetings. You know,

535
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 4: he was like, I'm grateful for twenty twenty one but John,

536
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 4: after this, I need a vacation. And it was telling

537
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 4: you know, it's like you can only ask so much

538
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,119
Speaker 4: of yourself athletically. And I'm going to trot out that

539
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 4: same line when we get to Cody Garbrant here in

540
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:53,400
Speaker 4: a little bit. And I just think for Dustin Pourier,

541
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 4: you know, Charles has been off since May, and there's

542
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 4: an emotional and a mental and a physical toll that

543
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 4: comes with those McGregor fights, and I just think that

544
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 4: it was asking a lot for Dustin Poorrier is a

545
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:05,879
Speaker 4: minus one sixty five favorite to win again.

546
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,440
Speaker 6: You were on top of this probably months ago when

547
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:11,119
Speaker 6: you were talking about this, but when this fight was

548
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:15,120
Speaker 6: first announced, you talked about this very factor, and I.

549
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:17,919
Speaker 4: Think you're pretty on point. You know what people don't consider.

550
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,160
Speaker 6: Everyone looks at the fight, but you know, no one's

551
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,159
Speaker 6: looking at Dustin Poirier training every damn day, you know,

552
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 6: and grinding that takes a toll on you physically.

553
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:28,399
Speaker 4: But I would I would go even further.

554
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 6: Not only is it those factors, but also it's hard

555
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 6: to do a lot of skill development during that time

556
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 6: when you are prepping for a fight, very specific fight,

557
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,679
Speaker 6: You're not necessarily working on a lot of new things

558
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 6: and adding to the arsenal. You're you're you're honing in,

559
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 6: you're sharpening, you're you're kind of utilizing your current skills

560
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 6: to get ready for a specific opponent. So not only that,

561
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,920
Speaker 6: think about how many sparring rounds you're doing to prepare

562
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:58,200
Speaker 6: for that five round fight. You know, Yeah, maybe Poitier's

563
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 6: fights against Connor didn't go the full time twenty five minutes,

564
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 6: but it's preparing like he's going to and a lot

565
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 6: of times that those training camps for five round fights

566
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 6: are absolutely brutal. That's what another factor what makes it

567
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 6: being so difficult to hold onto that belt your every

568
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 6: fight is a five rounder and preparing every single time

569
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 6: for a five round brutal war.

570
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 4: You would think that Pourier's training camp for kabibnrmago Matov

571
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:24,680
Speaker 4: would have helped him more than it did in this fight.

572
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 4: You know, when we ask him about how a training

573
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 4: camp for Charles Olivera differs compared to his training camp

574
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,400
Speaker 4: for Conor McGregor, he says that, obviously it's a lot

575
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:34,880
Speaker 4: more groundwork and a lot more grappling, but a lot

576
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 4: of what he does with Mike Brown sort of instructing

577
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 4: is starting in bad positions and getting out of them.

578
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 4: And I do know that there are other coaches, and

579
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 4: I'm not going to name names, but they approach a

580
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 4: challenge like Charles olivera differently. They don't spend their whole

581
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 4: training camp in bad positions. They maybe make it a

582
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 4: really boring fight because they try to avoid a lot

583
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 4: of contact with that man at all costs. Right, the

584
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 4: Great Ray Longo is joining us, and as he centers

585
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 4: up the camera, Kenny, I don't know, Like, if you're

586
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 4: preparing to fight Charles Oliver, I guess it's different because

587
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 4: of your jiu jitsu acumen. But if you were preparing

588
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 4: Dustin Poier to fight someone like Charles Oliver in his

589
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 4: skill set, I don't know. I guess he's so well

590
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 4: rounded out it might not matter long ago, coming in

591
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 4: with a lot of extra curricular Today, Uh, what the

592
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 4: fuck is going on over there?

593
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 3: Exact way? Well, I can barely hear you.

594
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 4: I'll raise my voice. Then, what the fuck? Let me

595
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 4: try logging in again. This is all right, get him out.

596
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 4: This is scintillating audio. It's even better video, Kenny, I

597
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 4: don't know, right, I mean, obviously you got to spend

598
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 4: some time training in bad positions. But if you're if

599
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 4: you're preparing for someone like Charles, if you're if you're

600
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 4: Trevor Whitman and Gai Chee, you know, how do you

601
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:48,479
Speaker 4: how do you prepare?

602
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 3: Well?

603
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 6: Listen, Gaichie doesn't want to be on his back or

604
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 6: have Olivera on his back at any point during this fight.

605
00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 6: If that happens, the fight will be over. Olivera is

606
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 6: significantly better on the ground than justin Gaechee.

607
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 4: Period.

608
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 6: Where gay Chie needs to get it done is with

609
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 6: his counter wrestling, and that's typically the way he prepares.

610
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 6: He doesn't in my understanding, and maybe I'm speaking out

611
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 6: of turns, he doesn't spend a whole lot of time

612
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 6: preparing on the ground. It's more wrestling to stop it

613
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 6: from going to the ground and then him taking your

614
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 6: fucking head off.

615
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 4: That's what he compares for, and he does extremely well.

616
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 4: There's just this this Damien Maya like danger with Charles Olivera,

617
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 4: and it's even more dangerous because he's so strong, you know, right,

618
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 4: I mean Maya was undersized as a middleweight when he's

619
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 4: starting his career just destroying everybody, but It's like with

620
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 4: Charles Man, it just feels like there's just imminent danger

621
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 4: around every corner when you guys are touching in any position,

622
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 4: whether he's on the bottom, whether he's on top, he's

623
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 4: on your back, and the clinch, it's like, get away

624
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 4: from this guy, John. I think it's a great point.

625
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 6: I also think that when you're so good everywhere, it

626
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 6: tends to compound everything where it's like, I don't give

627
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 6: a shit where this fight goes. I'm so damn good

628
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 6: in the clinch. I'm good at law range, I'm good

629
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 6: on the ground.

630
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 4: Where do you want it? Because I'll go there and

631
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 4: I'll write right right, that's like and he's like, and

632
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 4: you know what I can't even see right, Yeah, I'm

633
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 4: like exactly. Yeah. Like rock fan not a ferry out there,

634
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 4: you know, gives the cornerman the glasses right before he

635
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,479
Speaker 4: goes into the octagon. You know, it's incredible. I know,

636
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 4: Billy Corntello just had that PRK procedure and uh, you

637
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 4: know we bring it up in fun. You know, a

638
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 4: fan took his glasses. It's like more valuable to the

639
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 4: guy than his belt. Right, you can see how blind

640
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 4: he is though, somebody took his glasses. He's like, no, no, no, no,

641
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 4: no no no, right A completely lost without those things,

642
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Speaker 4: fights here as we wait on Ray longo oh, I'm

680
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 4: being told Ray's getting on Steve Lee's computer. So I

681
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 4: wonder if the mass is listening or watching right now

682
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 4: want me to like go at him for all of

683
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 4: this technical stuff today, or if they just want me

684
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 4: to optimize time and talk about the fights shows up late,

685
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 4: can't connect. Guy's got some things to work on for

686
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 4: twenty twenty two. So in terms of Dustin Pourier, we

687
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,959
Speaker 4: know he needs a vacation. Obviously can flow, but obviously

688
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 4: there are a ton of matchups. I mean, I think

689
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 4: this is a particularly bitter pill to swallow because he's

690
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 4: had two shots at the undisputed title late twenty nineteen,

691
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 4: late twenty twenty one. So despite the two wins over

692
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Speaker 4: Connor McGregor, right, this guy really cares about the ultimate prize,

693
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 4: you know, and he's gonna need at least one more

694
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:52,719
Speaker 4: win to get back there. Some people think the Chandler

695
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 4: fight has legs. I don't think you see Dustin until

696
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 4: International Fight Week, you know, next year at the earliest,

697
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 4: but anything in terms of a matchup, and maybe you

698
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 4: would like to see as he builds back. Jeez, you know,

699
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 4: I think there's no shortage there.

700
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 6: Seeing his post fight press conference was heartbreaking as a

701
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 6: guy who has failed winning the belt a few times,

702
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 6: you know, having worked so hard and not achieving it.

703
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 6: It really was tough to see that that press conference.

704
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 6: But you know, the good thing is that he's a

705
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 6: fan favorite. He still has a rematch with Connor McGregor

706
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 6: perhaps anytime he wants it. I'm sure Conor would take that.

707
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 6: That's a big fight for him.

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00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:34,879
Speaker 4: That actually makes a lot of sense right now.

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00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, maybe maybe nd As. Nat As and him have

710
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:42,839
Speaker 6: gone back and forth as well a little bit, and uh,

711
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 6: you know, maybe one fifty five, maybe even one seventy.

712
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 6: I think there's no shortage of opponents for him, and

713
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:52,319
Speaker 6: I still think he's he's in a good spot.

714
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 4: I think he'll stay a fifty five and try to

715
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 4: make one more concerted effort at the belt. And yeah, now,

716
00:34:57,680 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 4: all of a sudden, the Connor fight makes a lot

717
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 4: of sense. All right. We're now joined by a man

718
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 4: who has had a haircut since you have last seen him. Uh,

719
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Speaker 4: Steve Lee to the rescue. He's all centered up. It's

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Speaker 4: the Ray Longo Minute presented by what's it presented by? Today?

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Speaker 4: By one more Sleep merchandise or pod boys.

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Speaker 3: Huh, we're going down this rabbit hole.

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Speaker 4: Uh say it, no, I know nothing. Thanks for being

724
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,320
Speaker 4: late technical. How's your how's your connection?

725
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,840
Speaker 3: Like? Connections? Good? How come you didn't say the Chicken Pound.

726
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 4: I don't understand what that means.

727
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 3: The chicken unbelievable. I got to talk to Cody.

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00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 4: Chicken Pound asked Ray about his chickens. I'm supposed to

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00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 4: ask you about your chickens.

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Speaker 3: Oh, unbelievable. What a company Chicken Pound sponsoring me with

731
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Speaker 3: old the chicken I could eat really really good stuff.

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00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 3: We'll get to it later though, because I got to

733
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 3: tell you, and I'm not I'm not discounting a Chicken

734
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,439
Speaker 3: Pound because they're getting a lot of love right now.

735
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:57,359
Speaker 3: But uh wow, what a oh my god. I don't

736
00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 3: even know where to start, you know, the guys, I

737
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,439
Speaker 3: feel bad for the great fights that were like one, two, three,

738
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 3: and four, because no one's even gonna remember them by

739
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 3: the end of the night. Like people are bringing up

740
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 3: fights and I'm like, I forgot all about it already,

741
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 3: you know, So what a great cause.

742
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,720
Speaker 4: Man, You're right right like we won't get to Bruno

743
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 4: Silva or tied to Ivasa. It's gonna be hard for

744
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 4: us to get to Josh Emmett will certainly give the

745
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 4: great right before we get out of there. Uh but

746
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 4: let us I just want to quickly get your thoughts

747
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 4: on the stuff at the top of the car and

748
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 4: then we'll try to uh efficiently move down the rest

749
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 4: of it. What were you what was going through your

750
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 4: mind as Juliana Penya beats Amanda Nonaz there in round two,

751
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:38,760
Speaker 4: as that situation was developing.

752
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, look it was Uh look, I did a I

753
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 3: did the UFC watch party with Matt Sarah at my house. So,

754
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 3: I mean I had a guy who could wow who house?

755
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 4: What did the daughters think about their superstar father?

756
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 3: Haven't they hid in the bedroom?

757
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 4: But they were at home?

758
00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 3: They they were, they were at home. They want to yea.

759
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 4: And their friends. Yeah, my superstar dad, who has all

760
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 4: his own merchandise now has a camera crew and I

761
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 4: don't have any merchandise.

762
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 3: I don't have any Are you kidding?

763
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 4: So you have a camera crew in your living room

764
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 4: for UFC two sixty nine, you have an autograph session

765
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 4: outside your house afterwards? Is everybody losen?

766
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 3: No? But we'll get there, buddy, all.

767
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 4: Right, So watch part of your house as you watch.

768
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm watching it with Matt Say, which obviously

769
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 3: probably still to this day is the biggest you know

770
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:33,399
Speaker 3: upset in UFC history, but this one was pretty close, man,

771
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 3: So uh, hats off to Juliet. It was it was crazy,

772
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 3: you know, and uh, I got to tell you, I

773
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 3: went to uh Dylan Montello. Shout out to Dylan and

774
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 3: his lovely bride, Samantha. We were all at the wedding

775
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 3: the night before, so this was I pretty banged up

776
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:54,399
Speaker 3: for this whole weekend. But uh, yeah, Kenny, what I hey?

777
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 3: But uh, you know, one of the other coaches here,

778
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 3: Eric Kaya, was telling me he's good friends with Wayne

779
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 3: Gregory and that he did a great job on a

780
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 3: boxing And I'm not saying the boxing was you know,

781
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 3: on point, but she was tough enough to stand in

782
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 3: the pocket take a couple, give a couple, and I

783
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 3: think that was the difference in the fight, right, I mean,

784
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 3: she didn't she wasn't backing down, and I think, you know, uh,

785
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 3: Nona's was a more technical fighter, but toughness and heart

786
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 3: and determination goes to Penya. She was willing to throw,

787
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 3: she was willing to take one to give one, and

788
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 3: I think that broke down Amanda Nunas that she couldn't

789
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 3: bully her around, and then once she got taken down

790
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,760
Speaker 3: that last time. I mean, I don't even think Juliana

791
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 3: knew she won the fight because I don't even think

792
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 3: the choke was in after the fight if you looked,

793
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:45,360
Speaker 3: I mean, that's what I saw anyway, was why is

794
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 3: she not bumping around? Like? Why is she not going crazy?

795
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 4: She wasn't as emotionally attached to I wasn't as hungry.

796
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 4: It's not as attached to the result as you know.

797
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 3: I mean, I guess, I don't know. She didn't think

798
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 3: she had that choking, and I don't know what they were.

799
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 4: Doing, don't I'm not a fighter. I don't know, but

800
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 4: when your tank's on empty and you're not in desperation mode,

801
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:08,399
Speaker 4: you know.

802
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:11,799
Speaker 3: So it was a crazy, crazy time, but you kind

803
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 3: of saw that unfolding. I think with the exchanges is

804
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 3: what I'm saying is that there was she didn't look

805
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:20,360
Speaker 3: like she was She took some big shots and she

806
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:23,320
Speaker 3: was in budget. So I think that was that was

807
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 3: step one to go, Wow, this looks like it's got

808
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:26,839
Speaker 3: the makings of an upset right here.

809
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:29,799
Speaker 4: Do you believe that Amanda Nunez and Dustin Poorier were

810
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:34,320
Speaker 4: both uncharacteristically undisciplined on this night. Poorier was self critical

811
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:37,319
Speaker 4: for brawling early or do you not believe that to

812
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 4: be the case.

813
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 3: Well, then you know, hindsight is twenty twenty, So I

814
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:45,799
Speaker 3: think Amanda will be more technical. You know, she ended

815
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 3: up giving Juliana exactly what she wanted, which was a brawl,

816
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 3: a PO six brawl, and she's going to go back

817
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 3: and definitely try to correct that, be sure.

818
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 7: You know.

819
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 3: It was similar. Look when Matt fort GSP, nobody thought

820
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 3: Mac could throw his hands, and it was one thing

821
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 3: he had, man, he had a really really hard right hand,

822
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:06,280
Speaker 3: and he had the willingness to sit in the pocket

823
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 3: and get hit and fire back, period. And I think

824
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 3: at that point nobody really knew that except for us,

825
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 3: and I knew if GSP. You know, I think GSP

826
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 3: thought that fight was going to go to the floor.

827
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:19,360
Speaker 3: Kenny and Matt had no intentions of ever going to

828
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 3: the floor in that fight. So I think that was

829
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 3: kind of similar that you know this girl, you know,

830
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 3: That's why I say when GSP came out with a

831
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Speaker 3: game plan the second time, he had to rethink everything

832
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 3: and he kind of got into, you know, maybe a

833
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:35,840
Speaker 3: brawl with Matt, which was beneficial to him. And I

834
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 3: think juliannaerl I mean, I think a mandre will do

835
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 3: the same thing. She definitely got into a brawl. She

836
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:44,839
Speaker 3: wasn't ready for it. I think she tanked out when

837
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:46,879
Speaker 3: she couldn't get rid of us. She's dropped a lot

838
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 3: of people, and that's also psychologically, you know, undermining to oneself.

839
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 3: When you're hitting a person with your best shots and

840
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 3: they're not going any and you're starting to go. You know,

841
00:40:58,080 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 3: you're looking up at the clock and you got three

842
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 3: rounds to go, I could get to you a little bit.

843
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:05,240
Speaker 3: And I think that's what happened. You know, she Julianna

844
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:07,359
Speaker 3: got the fight that she wanted. That's who she is.

845
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 3: She just steps in and throws. I'm saying like again,

846
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 3: wasn't the most technical striking. She was pulling her arms back,

847
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:15,840
Speaker 3: she was a little off bounds, but the willingness to

848
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 3: trade to get what she wanted was one hundred percent on.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Ray, I would say the difference also, you know,

850
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 6: with Matt, both it's a credit to his power and

851
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 6: the fact that it just went down that way. He

852
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 6: landed just a couple of shots and it was pretty

853
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 6: much over shortly thereafter. But Nuna's was repeatedly exchanging for me,

854
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 6: you know, it wasn't like you know, oh she got

855
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:42,399
Speaker 6: caught with a big shot and then you know, got

856
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:46,320
Speaker 6: finished off. She was sitting there trading again and again

857
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:48,360
Speaker 6: and again, expecting a different result.

858
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 4: And that's just not her style of fight. So no, but.

859
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, but Penny in the past though, when she hit

860
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 3: like Cyborg and she hit some other people, they want

861
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 3: to sleep, right, you know. And then you so look,

862
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 3: your ego gets what's the first thing somebody punches you,

863
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 3: what do you do? Oh, I'm gonna start jamming. No,

864
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:06,319
Speaker 3: you want to kill them right away?

865
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 4: Now, my emotions took over, no question.

866
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:13,839
Speaker 3: Was an emotional fight that worked the herd disadvantage. That's

867
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 3: the end of the story. Yeah, I mean that to

868
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 3: me anyway.

869
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 4: Yes here six brawl right also.

870
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 3: Was entertaining as hell. But you know, I'm sure her

871
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 3: coaches aren't happy, you know not, you know, Uh, let

872
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:30,399
Speaker 3: me just say another thing. Julianna's jib really oh yeah,

873
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:32,839
Speaker 3: you know, there was a reach that was the other

874
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 3: thing her jib was getting there before Amandas was too.

875
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 3: I think she was out jamming her and that set

876
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:39,800
Speaker 3: up everything.

877
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, Wayne Gregory boxing Baby Here sticks Brawl is print

878
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 4: the shirts, by the way, so we're redesigning the ray

879
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,839
Speaker 4: Longo fights is now what I hear? So it says

880
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 4: Team Sarah Longo. Right, this is unbelievable, absolutely unbelieving. I

881
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 4: had nothing to do with this. And I wore the

882
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 4: Ray Longo Fight Team sweatshirt and uh, I did some

883
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 4: me the in the ray Longo Fight Team sweatshirt. And

884
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 4: I know obviously you're seeing your guys are wearing it,

885
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 4: and obviously you know somebody's upset. So so now I

886
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 4: have the special edition Ray Longo Fight Team. So here too.

887
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:14,839
Speaker 4: Four it's gonna say Sarah Longo Fight Team if you're

888
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 4: interested in that gear. Matt also hosts a podcast. It's

889
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 4: called UFC Unfiltered and you can go listen.

890
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 3: Kenny, I don't even know what's going on. I you know,

891
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 3: it's almost like DC and Cruise. I think this should

892
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 3: be handled yeah instead of in public? What is going on?

893
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:35,320
Speaker 3: And wait? First, I love that church. I love that one.

894
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:43,360
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, pod boys, it's great. Hey, how about how

895
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 4: about dominic fucking Cruise, let me tell you, you know.

896
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:50,319
Speaker 3: And I want a huge apology to Cruise because I've

897
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 3: been busting his balls a little bit with the Peterson thing.

898
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 3: But you know, I love the Guy's a born fighter,

899
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 3: I mean, and he proved it. What he This is

900
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 3: what I love about the guy because this is with

901
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 3: his stubbornness really pays off because he don't want to

902
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:07,399
Speaker 3: go out like that again. So he really did come

903
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 3: back and I can't He's a natural born fight at

904
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:14,839
Speaker 3: this guy, and he what a great performance coming back

905
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 3: from the adversity that we kind of I was at

906
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 3: least making jokes about, you know, only because for whatever reason,

907
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 3: I don't know, But I heer apology. He proved lest

908
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 3: he proved everybody wrong. Yeah, that guy, you know herb

909
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:29,399
Speaker 3: let the fight go on. And man, he came back

910
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 3: and did exactly what he said he would have did

911
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 3: in the other fight. And I gotta respect that at

912
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 3: the end of the day. Yeah, that guy had a

913
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 3: phenomenal fight. Again, I think no one will even remember

914
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 3: it because of all the other fights that happened. But

915
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 3: that's one thing.

916
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:46,879
Speaker 4: Yeah, one thing I've always known about Domina Cruz Kenny

917
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:48,799
Speaker 4: is that he can take a beating if he needs to.

918
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 4: He reminds me of that all the time in our conversations,

919
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 4: that he's prepared and willing to take damage. You know,

920
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 4: I want to tell a story as quickly as I can.

921
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:57,319
Speaker 4: But you know, the first time I talked to him

922
00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 4: about striking is like, he says, those are swords as

923
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 4: far as I'm concerned, that are coming at my head. Right.

924
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 4: So a lot of his stuff obviously is predicated upon defense,

925
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:08,840
Speaker 4: which he turns into offense, you know. But it's just

926
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 4: fascinating to listen to him talk about the challenge of

927
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:14,919
Speaker 4: fighting a southpaw Casey Kenny right, and wanting a full

928
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 4: south paw training camp, and then the enjoyment of going

929
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 4: back to fighting a conventional fighter to really let his

930
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 4: combinations go. And I don't know, man, he's just so

931
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 4: all about this. And you know, he's not taken television

932
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 4: money for four months because he's totally devoted to this result.

933
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 4: And you know, he just got a lot more rounds

934
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:36,799
Speaker 4: in this time around than last time. But you know,

935
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 4: the whole reason he was discovered by Eric Delfierra was

936
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 4: because Eric was running a promotion and they brought dom

937
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 4: In on short notice to get beat by somebody else,

938
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 4: and dom took an absolute beating in like his second

939
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 4: pro fight, but he beat the guy and then he

940
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 4: signed with Eric and the rest is history. But he

941
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:54,839
Speaker 4: can take damage, took some early and turn things around. Yeah.

942
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:57,800
Speaker 6: I think because he's such a technical fighter, and because

943
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 6: he's got that crazy footwork and he doesn't try to

944
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 6: get hit, you forget that. That gets all the shine,

945
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 6: and rightfully so, because he's a phenomenal.

946
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 4: Martial artist, but he does it the right way.

947
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 6: He has his heart just in case if shit goes sideways,

948
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 6: He's got his heart to back it up. And if

949
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 6: you think, oh well, he doesn't like to get hit,

950
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:21,359
Speaker 6: he's probably not tough.

951
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:23,319
Speaker 4: But if I rock him with a good shot, that's

952
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:25,400
Speaker 4: where I'm gonna take. No wrong.

953
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 6: Dominic Cruise will still come at you. He's as tough

954
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:31,320
Speaker 6: as nails. And he reminds me he's like, dude, I'm

955
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:33,359
Speaker 6: from a trailer in Arizona. Man, I'm as tough as

956
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 6: it come, you know. And he's from a tough town.

957
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:38,919
Speaker 6: And you know he's this good looking kid. He dresses nice.

958
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 6: You think you know he's from this nice part of town.

959
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 4: You're happy to hear compliment. Yeah, very happy Ken Flow

960
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:54,360
Speaker 4: about his fashion for me. Kem Flow is eight, so no,

961
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 4: it's awesome perform. I went to a an after party

962
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:02,280
Speaker 4: in my red Longo fight team sweatshirt. That's how fashion

963
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:02,880
Speaker 4: forward I am.

964
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 3: And I tried to wear the John you know, the

965
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 3: Anik Florian podcast shirt, but they made us wear UFC shirt,

966
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 3: so I had to put it over.

967
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 4: I appreciate that. Yeah, Ray Longo minute mask at the wedding.

968
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 3: How funny was that Gameless self promotion man? Always in gear?

969
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 3: Now totally different, but yeah, heads off to Dom man.

970
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 3: I I really love what I saw. And again he's

971
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 3: he could He talks to talk and he can walk

972
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 3: the walk. And you know, at the end of the day,

973
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 3: all you could do is respect that that's a period

974
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 3: he's you know, I always liked him, but this was

975
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:41,799
Speaker 3: this was a different. This was good. It was like

976
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:47,799
Speaker 3: redemption for him. So I know he feels good about everything, and.

977
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 4: And I just have to say, you know, I'm not

978
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 4: going to get into anything as far as the Daniel

979
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 4: Cormier Domino Cruz situation is concerned, but in terms of

980
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 4: Dom's ability to not let anything else in, He'll create

981
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 4: a distraction for himself during fight week because he knows

982
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:03,799
Speaker 4: it's not going to be a distraction because he's so

983
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 4: mentally forged and physically hardened after everything that he's been through.

984
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:10,879
Speaker 4: You know, he's done a lot of work on self, right,

985
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:12,919
Speaker 4: I'm not going to get into some of this. Yeah,

986
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:16,279
Speaker 4: he spent over five thousand dollars in physical therapy, you know,

987
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 4: I mean, like the dude is.

988
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, he said, look what he's gone through to what

989
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 3: that's just to mentally get through that, those injuries and

990
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:28,400
Speaker 3: being out for a year, two years whatever. A golden bag,

991
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:32,319
Speaker 3: you know it. I've seen it in here. It's it's

992
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 3: a horrible thing to look at. So Pat's up to him.

993
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:38,800
Speaker 4: Again, Kenny, what'd you make of Sean O'Malley over Halle

994
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:40,880
Speaker 4: and Piva.

995
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 6: O'Malley's a damn problem man, you know, Yeah, here's another guy.

996
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 6: If you get distracted by the hair and what he says,

997
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:53,319
Speaker 6: you forget that. This dude's dangerous man, tall, lanky for

998
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 6: the division, and boy does he know how.

999
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:57,720
Speaker 4: To use it. Moves really well.

1000
00:48:57,760 --> 00:48:57,880
Speaker 1: Man.

1001
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 6: He's nice. He's just nice with the skills of the

1002
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:04,799
Speaker 6: way to say it. He's extremely technical. He knows how

1003
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 6: to sit down in his punches when it's time to

1004
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 6: get power.

1005
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:08,280
Speaker 4: Uh.

1006
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:11,799
Speaker 6: And if you are one of those guys who doesn't

1007
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:16,759
Speaker 6: have superior defense and unbelievable footwork, O'Malley's going to get

1008
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 6: you out of there. It's kind of that simple, or

1009
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 6: you're going to take a beating in the process. O'Malley

1010
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 6: is a phenomenal fighter.

1011
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:25,720
Speaker 4: Uh. He continues to get better and sharper.

1012
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:29,240
Speaker 6: And here's another guy who is taking the right fights

1013
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:31,759
Speaker 6: and getting the right experience and building off of that

1014
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 6: every single time, which is going to increase his confidence,

1015
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:36,880
Speaker 6: increase his skills.

1016
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 4: He's he's doing.

1017
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 6: A lot right out there, and you know, he's he's

1018
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:42,760
Speaker 6: going to be a handful for a lot of guys

1019
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 6: in that division and he just might be able to

1020
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 6: fight for the belt and win the belt.

1021
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 3: Right.

1022
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 4: What he got looks.

1023
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:51,320
Speaker 3: Well well put. And I think the biggest thing Kenny

1024
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:55,719
Speaker 3: said in there is that he's had the opportunity to

1025
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 3: get these growing fights in you know what I mean,

1026
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 3: and not definitely he has not been over match Jet

1027
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:05,360
Speaker 3: at all for his you know, uh, talent pool, which

1028
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 3: is huge. I mean, the guy really like again, he

1029
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 3: knows how to uses range. He also knows how to

1030
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:14,400
Speaker 3: stop and sit down on those punches, and that's a

1031
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 3: long guy to get pissed, you know. So I think,

1032
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:19,919
Speaker 3: you know again, they afforded him the opportunity to grow

1033
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 3: the right way, and like Kenny says, that confidence is critical.

1034
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 3: Uh And look, Morob cooled for that fight when we

1035
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:29,840
Speaker 3: were in Moscow. How many years ago was that?

1036
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:31,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

1037
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 3: So they were going to stay away from him. Now

1038
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:36,439
Speaker 3: it's it's an interesting matchup. You know, Morob just wants

1039
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 3: to he wants to fight the best guys. It's not

1040
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:42,839
Speaker 3: a personal thing. But that's not an easy fight for anybody. Man.

1041
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:48,799
Speaker 3: I mean tough, but you know, to have a you know,

1042
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 3: to have a pal hanging on your leg for fifteen

1043
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:54,719
Speaker 3: or twenty five minutes is no picnic game. Yeah.

1044
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:58,360
Speaker 4: No, I think most of these guys just seem a

1045
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 4: robb D Wallace Willie in the bracket, just like ough Man.

1046
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:01,719
Speaker 4: You know.

1047
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 3: Again, again, no mention that, no mention his name for

1048
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 3: matchups with anybody. You go to those fights to make

1049
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 3: or whatever. I just I'm just curious to see if

1050
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 3: anybody picks I think guy's rit What is he ranked

1051
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 3: five or six.

1052
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 4: And I think a lot of the elite guys are

1053
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:23,440
Speaker 4: strikers and their managers would try to avoid that matchup

1054
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:25,400
Speaker 4: en route to the title, right, I mean, do you

1055
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 4: think Sean O'Malley's ready for Corey Sandhagen?

1056
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:30,840
Speaker 3: You're oh, you're asking me?

1057
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, just as an example, I mean, Sanagan's coming off

1058
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 4: a loss. He's number three in the world, you know.

1059
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 4: I mean, what do you think is a more dangerous

1060
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:39,759
Speaker 4: fight for O'Malley, sand Haagen or Dwallash WILLI right? I mean,

1061
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:44,920
Speaker 4: eventually Morob's gonna get his fight. But the notion that

1062
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:47,239
Speaker 4: Chaan O'Malley is not elite. I mean, Kyler Phillips is

1063
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 4: really fucking good. He was number fourteen in the world

1064
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 4: when he fought Halley and Piad. They go to to toe,

1065
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:53,840
Speaker 4: could have gone either way majority decision, you know. And

1066
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:56,799
Speaker 4: then O'Malley fights the guy even more entrenched in the

1067
00:51:56,840 --> 00:52:00,800
Speaker 4: bandamweight division. And you know, so O'Malley's top ten Vandam

1068
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:02,399
Speaker 4: White for me very good.

1069
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 3: I agree, one hundred percent, and he could fight probably anybody.

1070
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:08,919
Speaker 3: Would it be too soon? Yeah, there's a you know, look,

1071
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:11,799
Speaker 3: if you have the opportunity because the UFC is tough.

1072
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 3: It's not like boxing where you could have twenty five

1073
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:18,759
Speaker 3: fights without really getting super tested and build your record up.

1074
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:21,960
Speaker 3: It's hard in the UFC. Man these fights, some of

1075
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:23,319
Speaker 3: these guys that come in. That's why I say, I

1076
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 3: tell my guys, when you get in there, you want

1077
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 3: to rush it, but you're you're stupid because when you

1078
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 3: get in there, there's no looking back. You're not going

1079
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:32,279
Speaker 3: to be able to pick your opponents. You're going to

1080
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 3: get thrown to the wolves, possibly right away, you know

1081
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 3: what I mean? And uh yeah, O'Malley's ready to fight anybody,

1082
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 3: but I don't think it would be the smartest thing

1083
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 3: to do. But technically his skill set is up there

1084
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:46,840
Speaker 3: with everybody else, says Jenny.

1085
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 4: And he has a great inner circle, right, Brandon Harris

1086
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 4: and Takeno Mendez, Right, I mean Augusta Mendez. How good

1087
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 4: is that?

1088
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 3: Right?

1089
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 4: Teacher need jiu jitsu every goddamn day? Just you right?

1090
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:57,359
Speaker 4: And Tim Welch, I mean, the guy's got a whole

1091
00:52:57,360 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 4: training camp built around him. Was able to win this

1092
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:01,320
Speaker 4: fight the fact that he had a rib injury and

1093
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 4: couldn't grapple at all. I'm very interested to see what

1094
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:05,880
Speaker 4: happens Cody real quick. If you could throw the bandham

1095
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 4: Way top fifteen or even top ten in the side,

1096
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:11,440
Speaker 4: that would be outstanding ken flow. I think Cruz and

1097
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:13,840
Speaker 4: O'Malley is a fight that they would try to put together.

1098
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 4: I think for Dominic Cruz, there are two parts of this, right.

1099
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 4: There's the strategy in terms of the matchup, and I

1100
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:23,880
Speaker 4: think maybe there are better matchups for him than Sean O'Malley,

1101
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:25,879
Speaker 4: if I'm being honest. And then there's the rankings part

1102
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:27,879
Speaker 4: of this that you can always sort of lean into

1103
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 4: as well. If you are really trying to fight guys

1104
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:32,800
Speaker 4: above you, Cruz is going to be number eight or higher.

1105
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 4: But once we see this in the side, I'm going

1106
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 4: to have you guys do a little bit of matchmaking

1107
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 4: with me, because I do think that you talk about

1108
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 4: Jose Aldo and Frankie Edgar and Dominic Cruz, right these three.

1109
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 4: I know, Frankie's not a former WEC guy, but former

1110
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 4: major champions, right. The Cruz Edgar fight I think is

1111
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 4: probably less interesting now because Cruz has this momentum and

1112
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:55,600
Speaker 4: Frankie doesn't. Jose Aldo is too high in the rankings

1113
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 4: in my opinion to do the Aldo Cruz fight right now,

1114
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:00,400
Speaker 4: and Aldo seems to have clear intentions as to what

1115
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:04,400
Speaker 4: he wants to do. But I mean, you're got, you

1116
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:07,280
Speaker 4: got the champion, and then you have another guy Ray obviously,

1117
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:09,440
Speaker 4: I mean, how good is thirty five right now?

1118
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 3: Right?

1119
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:17,759
Speaker 4: Aljamin Dila, Shaw Aldo, San Haagen, Font morob On and

1120
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 4: on it goes Cruise.

1121
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:23,360
Speaker 3: And listen to first some people, Yeah, Killa is Yeah.

1122
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:25,600
Speaker 3: I mean, look, I think Dom's thing now is that

1123
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:28,680
Speaker 3: the only thing he's fighting is getting older, because his

1124
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:32,879
Speaker 3: style of fighting is definitely suited to a young guy's game, right,

1125
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:34,879
Speaker 3: you got to be able to move for twenty five

1126
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:37,360
Speaker 3: minutes like that, and I think we saw a glimpse

1127
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:41,920
Speaker 3: of like Pedro just catching him in between switches, like yeah,

1128
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:44,840
Speaker 3: you know, I think like even O'Malley with that extra

1129
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:47,479
Speaker 3: five inches of reach is going to make a huge

1130
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 3: difference in that fight. He's not going to have a

1131
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 3: reach advantage, and you get Court jumping around, he might

1132
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:54,960
Speaker 3: have a little I think that's a problem fight for

1133
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:55,960
Speaker 3: Dominic Cruz.

1134
00:54:56,200 --> 00:55:00,359
Speaker 4: Yeah right, well no, right, and I don't think it's

1135
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:03,359
Speaker 4: gonna materialize, you know. And yeah, obviously I mean for

1136
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:06,239
Speaker 4: dom to position himself with one more win even into

1137
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:08,480
Speaker 4: the top three. Uh, he knows it's going to be

1138
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 4: exceedingly difficult. But I think there's going to be some

1139
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:13,279
Speaker 4: strategy involved. You know, I wouldn't be surprised to see

1140
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:15,840
Speaker 4: Cruz sand Haagen. You know, there's a lot of different

1141
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:18,919
Speaker 4: options at one hundred and thirty five pounds. Al Jael

1142
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:20,719
Speaker 4: pretty tight lipped with you as far as when he

1143
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:21,600
Speaker 4: might get back in there.

1144
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:23,880
Speaker 3: What no, No, he gave me a well we have

1145
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 3: a special look at this guy who knows who doesn't

1146
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 3: know pomy.

1147
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's Kenny.

1148
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:42,440
Speaker 4: Man Struck, the best flyweight outside the UFC in the

1149
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:44,400
Speaker 4: world right now, I'm.

1150
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:48,520
Speaker 3: Talking about right the only guy that diging get a

1151
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:50,960
Speaker 3: longo T shirt right yere behind me. Unbelievable.

1152
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 4: We'll take care.

1153
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:53,920
Speaker 3: Look at that, Look at your friends.

1154
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:56,160
Speaker 4: All right, Hey, it's good to see a fly I

1155
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:58,279
Speaker 4: bet he would have been on time today if if

1156
00:55:58,320 --> 00:55:58,600
Speaker 4: he was.

1157
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:01,319
Speaker 3: Oh, couldn't get the mic to work?

1158
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 4: Now this I was.

1159
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 3: I was ten minutes early today. I don't want to

1160
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:04,360
Speaker 3: have it.

1161
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:07,600
Speaker 4: Wait, we're just talking about before that, we were talking

1162
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:08,800
Speaker 4: about al Jamaine Sterling.

1163
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:11,920
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, well no, uh, he gave me three dates,

1164
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 3: three possible dates, but I could say it looks like March,

1165
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:20,080
Speaker 3: all right, but he's already we're already discussing his camp

1166
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:22,759
Speaker 3: and we're already, you know, on top of it.

1167
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:26,719
Speaker 4: All right, Well, uh, do you have anything further for us?

1168
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 3: Right? Uh, i'd be the two guys fighting and CFFC

1169
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:34,960
Speaker 3: pullming the kudo. He just saw Charlie Campbell. Two big

1170
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:36,960
Speaker 3: fights for these guys, up and coming guys that I

1171
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 3: expected to see in the UFC Friday night in Atlanta.

1172
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:42,280
Speaker 4: He's fighting in four days. I would have just bopped

1173
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:44,440
Speaker 4: you guys out and done a little interview there.

1174
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:51,360
Speaker 3: Us pageous energy on this guy outstanding, and you know,

1175
00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:53,640
Speaker 3: the only guy that keeps up with Morob is this

1176
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 3: guy right here. You know.

1177
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:56,440
Speaker 4: That's me.

1178
00:56:57,239 --> 00:56:59,880
Speaker 3: Sunday. Then I fly to uston Sunday. We have Nas

1179
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:02,640
Speaker 3: Saudi Cuff. I hope I'm saying the name right, But

1180
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:07,600
Speaker 3: Nazine fighting, Uh before I forget the promotion, Damn, I

1181
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:09,440
Speaker 3: don't know. But he's fighting Sunday night. So it's a

1182
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:12,279
Speaker 3: busy weekend coming up. But I think all three guys

1183
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:13,719
Speaker 3: should be in the UFC this year.

1184
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:17,920
Speaker 4: So my grandfather was Howard Grayson, right, and so we

1185
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:20,760
Speaker 4: were naming my son something with the letter H right.

1186
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 4: I have my my grandfather's old paperweight right here with

1187
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:26,800
Speaker 4: the letter H right. So we were gonna name my

1188
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:28,840
Speaker 4: son Houston. And part of the reason we didn't is

1189
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 4: because guys like Younga Longo throw a fucking y on

1190
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:35,880
Speaker 4: the front of it and say Houston. So we named

1191
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 4: him Hunter instead.

1192
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:40,120
Speaker 3: Oh well look, oh now he's a linguistics major.

1193
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:43,520
Speaker 4: So people from New York, they just think they can

1194
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:48,360
Speaker 4: squeeze me manipulate language. However, they want Houston because from

1195
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:48,919
Speaker 4: New York.

1196
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 3: Got a problem. Well, you know what's next to Houston?

1197
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:53,560
Speaker 5: Right?

1198
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:59,720
Speaker 3: What's that Easton? Wait? Listen one quick thing? You know

1199
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:02,240
Speaker 3: what's funny with this card? And I think this I

1200
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 3: texted you, I think this is one of the best

1201
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:08,919
Speaker 3: cards ever one through fifteen. I think, I mean, even

1202
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:13,360
Speaker 3: the Blanchefield Maverick fight what a great I mean, I'm

1203
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 3: gonna say eight plus to the matchmakers. Man, they mentioned

1204
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:18,360
Speaker 3: the two young girls that, I mean, that was a

1205
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:22,440
Speaker 3: phenomenal fight. And Blanchefield, Man, she came out and shut

1206
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:26,920
Speaker 3: down Miranda better than I thought she was going to

1207
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:28,960
Speaker 3: be able to. But you know, that's a girl that's

1208
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 3: been in the gym. I can't say, I know, but

1209
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:32,560
Speaker 3: she would fall at Mizuki. But all I could say

1210
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:34,120
Speaker 3: is that every time I saw her, she would get

1211
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:37,080
Speaker 3: better and better. Really nice people are in a coach

1212
00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:40,680
Speaker 3: just seemed like they got they got a shot. Man,

1213
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:42,800
Speaker 3: I think that girl's going somewhere. I like where head's

1214
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:46,280
Speaker 3: at twenty two years old. You know, another East Coast girl.

1215
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:48,720
Speaker 3: So that's good. But I mean we could talk about

1216
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:51,919
Speaker 3: you know, I'm glad your guy got back on track

1217
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:54,560
Speaker 3: to who even gonna remember whit hole fight?

1218
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:58,600
Speaker 4: This is crazy every stiva obviously Selden Jordan Wright was

1219
00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 4: great matchmaking and a big win for Bruno and uh

1220
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:04,920
Speaker 4: obviously Andre Mooniz, who we sort of talked about off

1221
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:06,920
Speaker 4: the top of the show. Yeah, it was a good

1222
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:08,640
Speaker 4: night all around. Man. We didn't even get to Kai

1223
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:11,760
Speaker 4: car France And there's a lot of talking points on

1224
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:12,520
Speaker 4: both sides of that.

1225
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:14,320
Speaker 3: What do you do with that? Now? You know what

1226
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:16,960
Speaker 3: I mean? I feel bad for U garbrand Where does

1227
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:17,200
Speaker 3: he go?

1228
00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:19,720
Speaker 4: Well, I know we have James Krause in the lobby,

1229
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:23,160
Speaker 4: but really quickly on that ray. So Cody Garbrandt was

1230
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:25,919
Speaker 4: thirty two and one as an amateur boxer. He played

1231
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:28,840
Speaker 4: middle linebacker in the Great State of Ohio high level

1232
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:30,680
Speaker 4: high school football, and he did so at like one

1233
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:33,280
Speaker 4: hundred and thirty five pounds. You know, there's a lot

1234
00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:35,280
Speaker 4: of m M A miles on his brain and on

1235
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:37,520
Speaker 4: his body as well. And you know, part of the

1236
00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:41,040
Speaker 4: the discussion is on his ability or lack thereof to

1237
00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:44,800
Speaker 4: take a shot, you know. But I don't know. I mean,

1238
00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:47,400
Speaker 4: take nothing away from Kai car France here for me.

1239
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:49,440
Speaker 4: You know, that guy, I didn't think he could be

1240
00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:51,240
Speaker 4: a world champion until I watched him that right now.

1241
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:55,680
Speaker 3: No, no, no, he fought like eve as those he fights.

1242
00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:57,560
Speaker 3: He the one of those guys. It's a good scrap,

1243
00:59:57,720 --> 00:59:59,680
Speaker 3: you know, figure eight. Oh, he could fight anybody in

1244
00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:02,920
Speaker 3: the time. Uh three, he looked, he looked great. And Cody,

1245
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:05,440
Speaker 3: I didn't know. The thing with the football, I think

1246
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:09,360
Speaker 3: the football is even worse than the uh the amateur boxing.

1247
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:12,360
Speaker 3: To be honest with you that that I don't think

1248
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:14,480
Speaker 3: those guys get out of there alive. Man, that's a

1249
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:18,480
Speaker 3: that's sports vicious. How on. These are young guys, so

1250
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:23,120
Speaker 3: they were already probably make a modifications to everything. But yeah,

1251
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:25,560
Speaker 3: I wish him the best, man. It kind of kind

1252
01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:26,040
Speaker 3: of stinks.

1253
01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:30,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, John, I also no question about that history is

1254
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:33,080
Speaker 6: going to affect you right in some way, shape or form.

1255
01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:36,240
Speaker 4: But that overhand right from from guy kar France was

1256
01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:36,800
Speaker 4: a problem.

1257
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:38,880
Speaker 6: Like even if you had a good chin, I mean,

1258
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:41,560
Speaker 6: that was gonna knock down a lot of people in

1259
01:00:41,640 --> 01:00:45,240
Speaker 6: that division. I thought he landed some really sharp strikes,

1260
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:48,160
Speaker 6: heavy strikes there, and uh, I think it would have

1261
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:51,680
Speaker 6: been trouble for anybody regardless of history.

1262
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:51,920
Speaker 3: There.

1263
01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:54,960
Speaker 4: Hey, Ray, we love you. Good luck on Friday, and uh,

1264
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:57,440
Speaker 4: we'll talk to you next Monday. We'll have details on

1265
01:00:57,520 --> 01:00:59,440
Speaker 4: the award show of which you're going to be a

1266
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:00,000
Speaker 4: part this year.

1267
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:05,320
Speaker 3: Here. So yeah, hey, and guys, check out the Chicken Pound.

1268
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:08,200
Speaker 3: Come on.

1269
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:18,240
Speaker 4: Nationwide. Chicken Pound nationwide? All right, longo the Chicken Pound

1270
01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:21,560
Speaker 4: code long ago. Hey, thank you for your time. Thank

1271
01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:22,200
Speaker 4: you for your time.

1272
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:24,240
Speaker 3: I appreciate your service to both the.

1273
01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:29,160
Speaker 4: Long ago Cody. Yeah, you can just get him out

1274
01:01:29,160 --> 01:01:31,840
Speaker 4: of there, you can. You can bounce Grousy Kid time.

1275
01:01:32,040 --> 01:01:35,080
Speaker 4: I'm bringing you ready for the main event challenge. James

1276
01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:37,360
Speaker 4: Krause now joins us. What's up, brother, welcome home?

1277
01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:40,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, thank you. Just I think I'm still sweating. I

1278
01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:43,440
Speaker 5: literally just got off the Matt's getting.

1279
01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:47,360
Speaker 4: Beat uh, so real quick. We didn't get to the

1280
01:01:47,640 --> 01:01:50,160
Speaker 4: the Ryan Hall Derek Minner fight. You know, I thought

1281
01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:52,120
Speaker 4: your guy was gaming defeat. You know, I did see

1282
01:01:52,120 --> 01:01:54,520
Speaker 4: some frustration on you to my immediate right during the fight.

1283
01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:57,080
Speaker 4: You got anything for us on your guys fight before

1284
01:01:57,120 --> 01:01:57,480
Speaker 4: we move on?

1285
01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:03,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, dude, Uh, I think it's just it's

1286
01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:06,520
Speaker 5: it's it's it's mostly about fight, IQ, you know, just

1287
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:09,160
Speaker 5: just making good decisions in there. And there was just

1288
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:11,240
Speaker 5: a couple of spots, like it's not like we got

1289
01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:12,840
Speaker 5: beat up or anything. We just made a couple of

1290
01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:15,880
Speaker 5: bad decisions in there. And uh, I will say this,

1291
01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:19,480
Speaker 5: Ryan Hall is just so good at making you grapple him,

1292
01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:20,880
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, Like if that makes any

1293
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:23,400
Speaker 5: sense at all. Uh, there's a really good job of

1294
01:02:25,080 --> 01:02:28,600
Speaker 5: doing that little that that backside leg grab. Yeah, and

1295
01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:30,360
Speaker 5: he rolls into a triangle. But when he does, he

1296
01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:33,840
Speaker 5: grabs your glovey, I mean, and he and dude, it

1297
01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:35,360
Speaker 5: is what it is, right, He'll grab the inside of

1298
01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:37,560
Speaker 5: your glove and force force you to do that, force

1299
01:02:37,600 --> 01:02:39,200
Speaker 5: you to grapple him. He's really good at it, man,

1300
01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:42,440
Speaker 5: And it's it's uh, and you can't. Once you get

1301
01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:44,120
Speaker 5: in his guard, you can't just stand up, you know

1302
01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:45,960
Speaker 5: what I mean, Like it's super dangerous to do that.

1303
01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:48,400
Speaker 5: So he does a really good job forcing his game

1304
01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:51,200
Speaker 5: on you, and we just couldn't capitalize on it.

1305
01:02:51,240 --> 01:02:51,360
Speaker 4: There.

1306
01:02:51,480 --> 01:02:53,960
Speaker 5: We just made a couple of big mistakes that uh,

1307
01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:57,280
Speaker 5: I should say there's a couple of big mistakes that

1308
01:02:57,400 --> 01:02:59,959
Speaker 5: ended up being big mistake. A couple of little mistake

1309
01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:01,760
Speaker 5: ended up being big mistakes in there. You can't you

1310
01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:03,840
Speaker 5: can't make against an elite level guy like Ryan Home.

1311
01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:06,760
Speaker 4: So when you're coaching by the time like Dustin and

1312
01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:08,960
Speaker 4: Charles are fighting, where are you? Are you still at

1313
01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:10,280
Speaker 4: the arena? Are you back at the hotel?

1314
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:12,600
Speaker 5: Oh no, no, no, we're back at the hotel before

1315
01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:13,400
Speaker 5: the end of the next.

1316
01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:15,880
Speaker 4: Fight, right, So did you watch it?

1317
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:17,760
Speaker 5: If you lose, if you if you win, there's if

1318
01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:20,160
Speaker 5: you win, there's like if you win, there's like media

1319
01:03:20,200 --> 01:03:21,960
Speaker 5: and stuff like that. You'll it'll be like two or

1320
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:23,360
Speaker 5: three fights, you know what I mean. But like, if

1321
01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:25,200
Speaker 5: you lose, you're back at the hotel before the next

1322
01:03:25,240 --> 01:03:25,600
Speaker 5: fight end.

1323
01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:29,240
Speaker 4: Right, So did you watch the main event Dustin and Charles?

1324
01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:29,440
Speaker 5: Oh?

1325
01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:30,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely?

1326
01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:32,400
Speaker 4: You got any thoughts for that real quick.

1327
01:03:33,840 --> 01:03:36,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, dude, both those guys are so incredible

1328
01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:39,640
Speaker 5: and and uh, this has been talked about quite quite

1329
01:03:39,640 --> 01:03:44,520
Speaker 5: a bit. But whatever whatever questions we had about Ali

1330
01:03:44,600 --> 01:03:47,960
Speaker 5: Vera's heart, especially you know, I know Kenny and I

1331
01:03:48,040 --> 01:03:50,240
Speaker 5: have kind of talked about that, you know, like when

1332
01:03:50,280 --> 01:03:51,880
Speaker 5: it gets to the deep end, you know, I can't

1333
01:03:51,880 --> 01:03:53,320
Speaker 5: I said this all week, when it gets to the deepen,

1334
01:03:53,360 --> 01:03:55,480
Speaker 5: there's nobody I'd rather be by my side than Dustin Fourier.

1335
01:03:55,800 --> 01:03:59,080
Speaker 5: And I still stand by that. But Charles Olivera's on

1336
01:03:59,120 --> 01:04:01,560
Speaker 5: that list now too, where where it was the opposite before.

1337
01:04:01,640 --> 01:04:03,360
Speaker 5: You know, he showed that he's got some fanassy and

1338
01:04:03,400 --> 01:04:05,320
Speaker 5: he wants to win just as much as the next guy.

1339
01:04:05,640 --> 01:04:08,320
Speaker 5: And he got hit a lot, and man, he just

1340
01:04:08,520 --> 01:04:13,040
Speaker 5: I think he executed his plan perfectly because I don't

1341
01:04:13,080 --> 01:04:15,120
Speaker 5: think those takedowns would have been there early in the fight.

1342
01:04:16,040 --> 01:04:18,880
Speaker 5: And he just really got Dustin thinking striking, striking striking,

1343
01:04:19,080 --> 01:04:24,040
Speaker 5: and man, his ability to jump on somebody. And I

1344
01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:26,200
Speaker 5: said this, like, it's not just the jiu jitsu on

1345
01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:28,680
Speaker 5: the ground, on on like standing on on his on

1346
01:04:29,080 --> 01:04:32,120
Speaker 5: his back, He's the problem in jiu jitsu on standing too,

1347
01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:34,520
Speaker 5: you know, And Uh, he's just so good. He's so

1348
01:04:34,680 --> 01:04:38,680
Speaker 5: dangerous everywhere, man, very very few guys on this planet Earth.

1349
01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:40,000
Speaker 5: And this is why I think he's so good, is

1350
01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:42,120
Speaker 5: does he have danger factors striking?

1351
01:04:42,200 --> 01:04:42,320
Speaker 7: Now?

1352
01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:44,320
Speaker 5: Which where did that come from? You know what I mean?

1353
01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:46,840
Speaker 5: That's why I left Field. He's got danger in the wrestling,

1354
01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:49,000
Speaker 5: He's got danger when you wrestle. He's he is one

1355
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:51,840
Speaker 5: of the most dangerous fighters. But he's also well rounded.

1356
01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:54,520
Speaker 5: Like Ryan Hall is extremely dangerous, but his overall game

1357
01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:57,840
Speaker 5: really isn't complete. Charles Elvera has it all, man. He's

1358
01:04:57,840 --> 01:05:01,800
Speaker 5: an elite level striker, a very grappler. He russells well

1359
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:04,800
Speaker 5: like yeah, he can sub you standing like he's got

1360
01:05:04,840 --> 01:05:06,480
Speaker 5: it all man. He's gonna be a little tough to beat.

1361
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:08,240
Speaker 5: And I gotta be honest with you, I wish we

1362
01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:09,200
Speaker 5: could see him, kabebe.

1363
01:05:10,040 --> 01:05:11,400
Speaker 4: I know, I know a lot of people have been

1364
01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:14,000
Speaker 4: talking about that. I share your sentiments. All right, We

1365
01:05:14,120 --> 01:05:16,200
Speaker 4: got some main card picks for this weekend at UFC

1366
01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:19,480
Speaker 4: Fight Night, Lewis versus Dacas and let us get to

1367
01:05:19,640 --> 01:05:22,480
Speaker 4: Cubs Swanson and Darren Elkins here featherweight fight that I

1368
01:05:22,560 --> 01:05:25,320
Speaker 4: believe opens the main card. Cub Swanson minus two hundred

1369
01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:29,000
Speaker 4: Darren Elkins plus one seventy. All right, so busy weekend

1370
01:05:29,120 --> 01:05:31,240
Speaker 4: last week for Team Alfamel. I think three guys and

1371
01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:35,000
Speaker 4: right back at your Elkins the underdog against Swanson. So

1372
01:05:35,120 --> 01:05:37,040
Speaker 4: Cub James was on a two fight winning streak going

1373
01:05:37,080 --> 01:05:40,040
Speaker 4: into twenty twenty one, fought just sixty three seconds this

1374
01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:42,160
Speaker 4: year in a lost to Giga Chikadse. What do you

1375
01:05:42,200 --> 01:05:44,840
Speaker 4: think about Swanson here against Darren the damage Elkins.

1376
01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:49,240
Speaker 5: Well, stylistically, I like the matchup. I like the matchup

1377
01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:51,200
Speaker 5: for Cub. You know, the game plan seems to be

1378
01:05:51,240 --> 01:05:56,160
Speaker 5: pretty simple. It's stopped to take down and just keep

1379
01:05:56,200 --> 01:05:57,880
Speaker 5: the fight standing. And I wouldn't eve worry about knocking

1380
01:05:57,920 --> 01:05:58,880
Speaker 5: him out, just picking at him.

1381
01:05:58,880 --> 01:05:59,000
Speaker 3: You know.

1382
01:06:00,360 --> 01:06:02,320
Speaker 5: That's easier said than done against the guy like Darren

1383
01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:04,480
Speaker 5: Elkins though. You know he's he's proven over and over

1384
01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:07,560
Speaker 5: time and time again that the best guy doesn't always win,

1385
01:06:07,640 --> 01:06:10,320
Speaker 5: you know what I mean? So, uh, I do, however,

1386
01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:13,680
Speaker 5: think Cub it's gonna get this one done. I think

1387
01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:16,320
Speaker 5: he'll he'll he'll pick his way and stuff is uh

1388
01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:19,680
Speaker 5: stuff to takedowns to to a pretty decisive decision here.

1389
01:06:20,120 --> 01:06:23,200
Speaker 5: That's been the uh that's been the blueprint on how

1390
01:06:23,240 --> 01:06:26,320
Speaker 5: to beat Darren Elkins lately. Uh, And I do think

1391
01:06:26,320 --> 01:06:28,800
Speaker 5: Cub will get it done. Do I say it with

1392
01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:33,920
Speaker 5: like the utmost confidence? No, I don't, but I do.

1393
01:06:34,160 --> 01:06:35,600
Speaker 5: I do think he's gonna do enough to get it done.

1394
01:06:35,640 --> 01:06:35,960
Speaker 5: I really do.

1395
01:06:36,520 --> 01:06:39,440
Speaker 4: Darren Alkins is bleeding right now in training. He's bleeding,

1396
01:06:39,560 --> 01:06:41,920
Speaker 4: but he won't be bleeding like by the time he

1397
01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:44,520
Speaker 4: gets to Vegas. Elkins has won two in a row

1398
01:06:44,600 --> 01:06:46,919
Speaker 4: Ken Flow performance of the night finish of Derek Minner

1399
01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:48,840
Speaker 4: in July. How do he handicap this one for him

1400
01:06:48,840 --> 01:06:49,240
Speaker 4: against Cup?

1401
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:50,640
Speaker 5: Why are we bringing up old Ship?

1402
01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:53,560
Speaker 4: Hey? I mean, I'm just trying to set up you know.

1403
01:06:53,840 --> 01:06:55,080
Speaker 5: Why are we bringing up old ship?

1404
01:06:55,360 --> 01:06:58,440
Speaker 4: Fucking Chihuahua is out there, man, you know, God bless

1405
01:06:58,560 --> 01:07:00,360
Speaker 4: bro Listen.

1406
01:07:00,440 --> 01:07:06,920
Speaker 6: I think Elkins is an intriguing underdog just based on

1407
01:07:07,080 --> 01:07:11,280
Speaker 6: his ability to freaking survive. And sometimes we've seen Cubb

1408
01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:17,320
Speaker 6: get caught up in some tough grappling exchanges, but I

1409
01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:20,120
Speaker 6: think Cub has enough to be able to ward off

1410
01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:23,080
Speaker 6: those attacks. I do think that Cub is a smart

1411
01:07:23,120 --> 01:07:24,760
Speaker 6: guy and is going to learn from a lot of

1412
01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:29,560
Speaker 6: Elkins's previous fights and understand that he needs to pace

1413
01:07:29,680 --> 01:07:33,520
Speaker 6: himself extremely well, and just because you're beating him up

1414
01:07:33,600 --> 01:07:37,200
Speaker 6: now doesn't mean you won't be beaten up later. Because

1415
01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:41,080
Speaker 6: Elkins is one of the craziest survivors I've seen compete

1416
01:07:41,120 --> 01:07:42,120
Speaker 6: inside the octagon.

1417
01:07:42,920 --> 01:07:44,400
Speaker 4: Cub is the more skillful guy.

1418
01:07:44,720 --> 01:07:48,640
Speaker 6: That doesn't always equal wins, as James was talking about earlier,

1419
01:07:49,200 --> 01:07:52,200
Speaker 6: but I do think he has enough firepower to ward

1420
01:07:52,280 --> 01:07:55,360
Speaker 6: him off and win a decision or potentially a TKO.

1421
01:07:55,640 --> 01:07:57,720
Speaker 4: I think we have a new award coming to the

1422
01:07:57,840 --> 01:08:00,200
Speaker 4: AFPAS this year, like the Darren Elkins come Back of

1423
01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:03,400
Speaker 4: the Year or something, so more later. All right, it's

1424
01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:06,160
Speaker 4: pretty good main card overall this weekend. At lightweight Mattage

1425
01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:09,600
Speaker 4: Gamrock minus one eighty taken on twelve, Frank Diego Fajita

1426
01:08:09,640 --> 01:08:14,120
Speaker 4: plus one fifty five. So Fajita has competed pretty well

1427
01:08:14,160 --> 01:08:15,880
Speaker 4: against some of the best guys in the world. James,

1428
01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:18,280
Speaker 4: I know obviously you know him pretty intimately, having prepared

1429
01:08:18,280 --> 01:08:20,439
Speaker 4: Grant Dawson for him and then having that fight go away,

1430
01:08:20,640 --> 01:08:22,599
Speaker 4: But he did go to a split against Nil Daryush

1431
01:08:22,800 --> 01:08:25,559
Speaker 4: had big moments against Gregor Gillespie before that fight kind

1432
01:08:25,560 --> 01:08:28,320
Speaker 4: of spun around, so what do you think about him

1433
01:08:28,360 --> 01:08:32,000
Speaker 4: here against the unranked Mattage Gamroth gamra about a two

1434
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:32,559
Speaker 4: to one favorite.

1435
01:08:33,880 --> 01:08:37,840
Speaker 5: Gamrock's tough man, and I don't think he is. I

1436
01:08:37,880 --> 01:08:41,400
Speaker 5: think he's extremely underrated. He has a very complete game,

1437
01:08:41,439 --> 01:08:49,080
Speaker 5: good power, good wrestling, good cardio, goods, submissions. I'm gonna pick.

1438
01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:49,320
Speaker 3: Him to win.

1439
01:08:49,439 --> 01:08:51,000
Speaker 5: But man, I don't like the line on it, you

1440
01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:52,559
Speaker 5: know what I mean, Like, I think it's a much more.

1441
01:08:52,640 --> 01:08:54,320
Speaker 5: I think it's kind of a pick him. To be

1442
01:08:54,400 --> 01:08:56,960
Speaker 5: honest with you, I do think Gamrock's gonna get it done,

1443
01:08:57,000 --> 01:08:59,240
Speaker 5: and I Fajitas in the past has kind of showed

1444
01:08:59,280 --> 01:09:01,280
Speaker 5: me a he just seems to fade as the fight

1445
01:09:01,400 --> 01:09:03,960
Speaker 5: goes on. I think the weight cut of fifty five

1446
01:09:04,080 --> 01:09:05,280
Speaker 5: is tough on him. I don't think it's a card

1447
01:09:05,360 --> 01:09:07,960
Speaker 5: you issue. I think it's a weight cut issue. So

1448
01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:10,479
Speaker 5: I'm picking. I'm gonna pick Gamrock to win by decision.

1449
01:09:11,280 --> 01:09:13,280
Speaker 5: But I do think the line should be a little

1450
01:09:13,280 --> 01:09:15,200
Speaker 5: bit closer, a lot closer. Actually, I think it should

1451
01:09:15,200 --> 01:09:16,120
Speaker 5: be a pick them very close to it.

1452
01:09:16,560 --> 01:09:18,960
Speaker 4: I feel like you can't talk about Diego Fijeda without

1453
01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:21,040
Speaker 4: bringing up the weight cut issues. At this point in time.

1454
01:09:21,120 --> 01:09:23,519
Speaker 4: You know he's had a lot of circumstances and fights

1455
01:09:23,600 --> 01:09:26,960
Speaker 4: go away late and Toronaldo fight, I think, not even

1456
01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:29,719
Speaker 4: getting to the scale. But Mataj's Gamrock can for American

1457
01:09:29,760 --> 01:09:32,400
Speaker 4: top team trained out of Poland nineteen and one never

1458
01:09:32,520 --> 01:09:35,080
Speaker 4: been finished. Submitted Jeremy Stevens with a Kamora back in July.

1459
01:09:35,400 --> 01:09:37,280
Speaker 4: What do you think about him here trying to take

1460
01:09:37,479 --> 01:09:39,000
Speaker 4: the ranking of Diego Fajeda.

1461
01:09:40,160 --> 01:09:42,479
Speaker 6: Yeah, well see, I'm going to agree with James here.

1462
01:09:42,680 --> 01:09:44,120
Speaker 6: Not a whole lot to say on this. I think

1463
01:09:44,200 --> 01:09:47,519
Speaker 6: there's two differences here. Gamrock's wrestling, I think that's a factor,

1464
01:09:47,760 --> 01:09:52,360
Speaker 6: and I also think Diego's perhaps struggle with weight in

1465
01:09:52,479 --> 01:09:54,479
Speaker 6: the past. I think those are those are the two

1466
01:09:54,520 --> 01:09:58,240
Speaker 6: factors that I'm probably looking at most. But don't count

1467
01:09:58,320 --> 01:10:01,639
Speaker 6: out Fajeda early in his fight. First seven minutes, first

1468
01:10:01,680 --> 01:10:03,840
Speaker 6: five minutes, watch out. He's always going to be a

1469
01:10:03,880 --> 01:10:06,760
Speaker 6: submission threat. But I like you, I'm rod here too.

1470
01:10:07,160 --> 01:10:09,600
Speaker 4: All right, next up? But ban him? Wait. Ricky Simone

1471
01:10:11,200 --> 01:10:13,960
Speaker 4: a near three to one favorite. I'm surprised minus two

1472
01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:16,320
Speaker 4: to eighty halfay Ela Sunsow plus two to twenty five.

1473
01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:19,560
Speaker 4: The perennial top tenor of Sunsow has lost three in

1474
01:10:19,600 --> 01:10:21,360
Speaker 4: a row, and on the other side, Ricky Simone has

1475
01:10:21,360 --> 01:10:23,160
Speaker 4: won three in a row. I mean, you guys know

1476
01:10:23,240 --> 01:10:26,080
Speaker 4: Simone all offense, all the time. Uh never let you

1477
01:10:26,200 --> 01:10:27,880
Speaker 4: breathe for a minute. What do you think about him

1478
01:10:27,880 --> 01:10:29,840
Speaker 4: here trying to move up against the sun Sow James.

1479
01:10:31,680 --> 01:10:34,720
Speaker 5: Ricky Simone has probably been the most profitable fighter of

1480
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:36,760
Speaker 5: for me, Like, I've won a lot of money off

1481
01:10:36,840 --> 01:10:40,560
Speaker 5: this dude, and he has everything that I like in

1482
01:10:40,720 --> 01:10:44,080
Speaker 5: betting on somebody. He's always in shape, he's well rounded,

1483
01:10:44,520 --> 01:10:48,280
Speaker 5: he's very durable, he wrestles well, he's got a good

1484
01:10:48,320 --> 01:10:53,120
Speaker 5: submission game, a decent amount of knockout power, and he's

1485
01:10:53,120 --> 01:10:56,760
Speaker 5: smart and he doesn't get off track like he's I

1486
01:10:56,760 --> 01:10:58,280
Speaker 5: don't want to say he's the same guy every time

1487
01:10:58,320 --> 01:11:00,639
Speaker 5: out because it seems like it's a disrespectful because obviously

1488
01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:02,599
Speaker 5: he gets better every time. But like I know, he's

1489
01:11:02,640 --> 01:11:04,360
Speaker 5: going to show up every time like he's never has

1490
01:11:04,400 --> 01:11:07,200
Speaker 5: any mental lapses. He's consistent. Consistent the word I'm after

1491
01:11:07,520 --> 01:11:09,840
Speaker 5: that's if consistent is the word that I will usually

1492
01:11:09,880 --> 01:11:14,920
Speaker 5: describe Ricky Simone. He's very consistent and uh we for

1493
01:11:15,120 --> 01:11:20,479
Speaker 5: me a since out should the line be a little closer, probably, Yeah.

1494
01:11:21,280 --> 01:11:23,840
Speaker 5: But what I see the tail here of this fire

1495
01:11:23,920 --> 01:11:25,600
Speaker 5: is I see a guy Ricky Simone doing this and

1496
01:11:25,680 --> 01:11:28,080
Speaker 5: a guy half since I was doing this. And that's

1497
01:11:28,160 --> 01:11:31,000
Speaker 5: no disrespect to since Ow. He's fought the who's who

1498
01:11:31,280 --> 01:11:33,880
Speaker 5: of the division, and he's been in that division for

1499
01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:36,680
Speaker 5: a very very very very long time. I think we

1500
01:11:36,760 --> 01:11:39,880
Speaker 5: were in the WBC together, Like we're talking a long

1501
01:11:40,080 --> 01:11:43,120
Speaker 5: long time. But all good things come to and end, right,

1502
01:11:43,160 --> 01:11:44,720
Speaker 5: And I just see one guy on his way up,

1503
01:11:44,760 --> 01:11:47,479
Speaker 5: and I see another guy his best days are behind him.

1504
01:11:48,280 --> 01:11:50,000
Speaker 5: You know, I think I do think the line should

1505
01:11:50,000 --> 01:11:52,240
Speaker 5: be a little closer. I'm going to take Simone by

1506
01:11:52,720 --> 01:11:53,439
Speaker 5: decision here though.

1507
01:11:53,880 --> 01:11:55,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree with everything out of your mouth essentially,

1508
01:11:55,880 --> 01:11:57,920
Speaker 4: kem full. What do you think Ricky Simone minus two

1509
01:11:57,920 --> 01:12:01,599
Speaker 4: to eighty hal fails Sun Sol plus two twenty five. Okay, well,

1510
01:12:02,160 --> 01:12:03,559
Speaker 4: you know this, this is interesting.

1511
01:12:03,840 --> 01:12:06,600
Speaker 6: I see value here in the underdog big time. I

1512
01:12:06,760 --> 01:12:08,519
Speaker 6: see this as an opportunity for me to pick up

1513
01:12:08,560 --> 01:12:11,400
Speaker 6: some points here as well. I do agree with a

1514
01:12:11,479 --> 01:12:13,560
Speaker 6: lot of what James said. I think Ricky Simone is

1515
01:12:13,680 --> 01:12:16,320
Speaker 6: extremely consistent. You know what, guy is gonna show up

1516
01:12:16,360 --> 01:12:19,519
Speaker 6: every single time. He's as tough as nails. But we

1517
01:12:19,640 --> 01:12:22,240
Speaker 6: also can't ignore what a sun Sow has accomplished. You know,

1518
01:12:22,320 --> 01:12:24,439
Speaker 6: he's got to win over Rob font, He's got to

1519
01:12:24,439 --> 01:12:26,439
Speaker 6: win over Malon Morice, He's got to win over al

1520
01:12:26,520 --> 01:12:30,200
Speaker 6: Jamaine Sterling. His last three fights haven't gone well, but

1521
01:12:30,320 --> 01:12:33,400
Speaker 6: let's look at who he thought Cody Garbrand, Corey Sandhagen,

1522
01:12:33,479 --> 01:12:34,200
Speaker 6: Marlon Morice.

1523
01:12:35,439 --> 01:12:37,280
Speaker 4: So you know, no joke there.

1524
01:12:37,479 --> 01:12:41,639
Speaker 6: So I think a sun Sow I'm not sure he's

1525
01:12:41,720 --> 01:12:46,560
Speaker 6: fighting with that same kind of goal of Hey, this

1526
01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:49,519
Speaker 6: is for me to elevate myself and kind of get

1527
01:12:49,520 --> 01:12:51,880
Speaker 6: a shot at the belt, which is a dangerous place

1528
01:12:51,960 --> 01:12:55,040
Speaker 6: to be. So that concerns me for sure. But I

1529
01:12:55,160 --> 01:12:57,600
Speaker 6: still think a sun Sow's got some great skills. I

1530
01:12:57,680 --> 01:13:00,479
Speaker 6: still think he can get it done. I'll take suns

1531
01:13:00,479 --> 01:13:02,639
Speaker 6: out here over a very tough Ricky Simont.

1532
01:13:03,439 --> 01:13:05,000
Speaker 4: And by the way, ken Flow has been hot. He

1533
01:13:05,120 --> 01:13:08,639
Speaker 4: was five and one going into the Nounz fight last weekend.

1534
01:13:08,720 --> 01:13:10,599
Speaker 4: Right of course, Nuns and Poorier ripped up a lot

1535
01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:13,040
Speaker 4: of tickets for a lot of people. But uh, all right,

1536
01:13:13,120 --> 01:13:17,599
Speaker 4: at strawweight, Amanda Lemos minus four to ten, If that's

1537
01:13:17,680 --> 01:13:19,839
Speaker 4: not a prohibitive number, I don't know what is Angela

1538
01:13:19,960 --> 01:13:22,599
Speaker 4: Hill plus three ten Lemos though, is outstanding. I love

1539
01:13:22,640 --> 01:13:24,519
Speaker 4: watching her fight. She's won four in a row. A

1540
01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:27,080
Speaker 4: lot of people think she's a future champion. And Angela

1541
01:13:27,160 --> 01:13:29,280
Speaker 4: Hill is taking this on relatively short notice about a

1542
01:13:29,280 --> 01:13:32,120
Speaker 4: month replacing Nina Nunez, and Hill has dropped three of

1543
01:13:32,200 --> 01:13:35,360
Speaker 4: four overall. Uh, Jimmy Kraus, kid, what do you have

1544
01:13:35,400 --> 01:13:39,320
Speaker 4: for us on this one? At one hundred and fifteen pounds, Limos.

1545
01:13:39,040 --> 01:13:41,760
Speaker 5: Is probably gonna win, but I'll take Angela Hill here.

1546
01:13:41,800 --> 01:13:45,360
Speaker 5: I'm gonna I'm gonna ride with the dog. I mean,

1547
01:13:46,120 --> 01:13:49,000
Speaker 5: I'm not an Angela Hill fan at all at all.

1548
01:13:49,600 --> 01:13:52,080
Speaker 5: But I do think she's being disrespect I do think

1549
01:13:52,160 --> 01:13:54,240
Speaker 5: she's being disrespected on the lines with Tony here, like

1550
01:13:54,360 --> 01:13:56,439
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. Like, man, there's a story

1551
01:13:56,479 --> 01:14:00,439
Speaker 5: behind why I don't like her, But like, I think

1552
01:14:00,479 --> 01:14:02,200
Speaker 5: she's being disrespected on the lines. I don't think her

1553
01:14:02,240 --> 01:14:04,479
Speaker 5: skill is I don't think her skill matches what the

1554
01:14:04,640 --> 01:14:05,960
Speaker 5: what the line is saying. I think she's got a

1555
01:14:05,960 --> 01:14:07,600
Speaker 5: good shot of winning this fight. I really do like

1556
01:14:07,720 --> 01:14:11,240
Speaker 5: she's well rounded. She comes in shape, good, good striker.

1557
01:14:11,439 --> 01:14:14,200
Speaker 5: Like I don't see I don't see the four to one.

1558
01:14:14,320 --> 01:14:17,639
Speaker 5: I really don't. I don't, So I'm gonna I'm gonna

1559
01:14:17,760 --> 01:14:19,479
Speaker 5: use this as a try to catch up with Kenny here,

1560
01:14:19,560 --> 01:14:21,040
Speaker 5: Like I know, he's been booking my ass lately.

1561
01:14:21,120 --> 01:14:24,760
Speaker 4: So I'm gonna rock with h Hill here Ken Flow.

1562
01:14:24,960 --> 01:14:27,439
Speaker 4: Angela Hill's last fight against t Sha Torres in August.

1563
01:14:27,479 --> 01:14:30,080
Speaker 4: She got Tisha's best, but there's a big spot for

1564
01:14:30,160 --> 01:14:32,160
Speaker 4: her to avoid a fourth loss in her last five.

1565
01:14:32,520 --> 01:14:35,600
Speaker 4: So her second pro fight was in the UFC. This

1566
01:14:35,760 --> 01:14:39,439
Speaker 4: is obviously a second UFC stint. Angela Hill's got eighteen

1567
01:14:39,560 --> 01:14:40,479
Speaker 4: UFC fights coming in.

1568
01:14:41,920 --> 01:14:44,200
Speaker 6: She has a ton of experience, and she's been working

1569
01:14:44,360 --> 01:14:48,240
Speaker 6: extremely hard on her grappling, you know, particularly with our

1570
01:14:48,280 --> 01:14:50,720
Speaker 6: guy Justin Flores and all that stuff. So you know

1571
01:14:50,880 --> 01:14:52,519
Speaker 6: that's a concern for me. You know, she can go

1572
01:14:52,600 --> 01:14:55,160
Speaker 6: out there and win rounds and steal this fighting and

1573
01:14:55,280 --> 01:14:59,400
Speaker 6: get the upset here. But man, I'm not sure I've

1574
01:14:59,479 --> 01:15:04,120
Speaker 6: been more excited after a fight than Amanda Lemos with

1575
01:15:04,240 --> 01:15:06,200
Speaker 6: someone I was kind of sleeping on a little bit.

1576
01:15:06,680 --> 01:15:12,440
Speaker 6: Her knockout over Ruise and her last fight was just ridiculous.

1577
01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:16,160
Speaker 6: You don't see someone move backwards and strike like that

1578
01:15:16,479 --> 01:15:20,680
Speaker 6: very often. It got me excited her timing, her technique.

1579
01:15:21,400 --> 01:15:27,000
Speaker 4: She's a beast. I like her here, dude, she if again.

1580
01:15:27,160 --> 01:15:28,519
Speaker 6: I don't know if it was like one of these

1581
01:15:28,680 --> 01:15:31,599
Speaker 6: like just happened to put it all together just that night,

1582
01:15:31,600 --> 01:15:32,800
Speaker 6: and that's all we're gonna see from her.

1583
01:15:32,880 --> 01:15:36,000
Speaker 4: Maybe that's the case. I'm not so sure. You don't

1584
01:15:36,040 --> 01:15:39,920
Speaker 4: see that high level of striking very often, and I

1585
01:15:40,040 --> 01:15:43,519
Speaker 4: think Lemos takes it here. She is a finisher, and

1586
01:15:43,640 --> 01:15:46,640
Speaker 4: obviously she has gotten the attention of the bookmakers at

1587
01:15:46,720 --> 01:15:49,799
Speaker 4: Draftking Sportsbook because she's minus four to ten against Angela

1588
01:15:49,880 --> 01:15:53,200
Speaker 4: Hill all Right, Cole main event, Stephen WonderBoy Thompson minus

1589
01:15:53,240 --> 01:15:56,800
Speaker 4: two to fifty five Balal Muhammad plus two oh five.

1590
01:15:57,479 --> 01:16:01,439
Speaker 4: So Bellal in his last levin Walks to the Octagon

1591
01:16:01,600 --> 01:16:04,160
Speaker 4: has been beaten by one man, you know. I think

1592
01:16:04,200 --> 01:16:07,080
Speaker 4: that's worth pointing out. Eleven walks one loss that was

1593
01:16:07,160 --> 01:16:10,880
Speaker 4: Jeff Neil wonder boy Ton of championship experience. Obviously, the

1594
01:16:10,960 --> 01:16:13,960
Speaker 4: two title fights against Tyren Woodley, hes fought everybody but

1595
01:16:14,160 --> 01:16:16,880
Speaker 4: Kamara essentially, but he is coming off of July loss

1596
01:16:16,920 --> 01:16:19,920
Speaker 4: to Gilbert Erino Burns some similarities in that matchup. I

1597
01:16:19,960 --> 01:16:22,000
Speaker 4: think in this one, what do you think about this

1598
01:16:22,120 --> 01:16:24,040
Speaker 4: co main event, James? And ultimately which way you go?

1599
01:16:26,680 --> 01:16:31,439
Speaker 5: Uh, It's hard to pick against wonder Boy against any

1600
01:16:31,479 --> 01:16:33,439
Speaker 5: other striker, you know what I mean? Like he's just

1601
01:16:34,439 --> 01:16:36,639
Speaker 5: this is my only complaint with him. My only complaint

1602
01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:39,160
Speaker 5: with My complaint with him is sometimes when he gets

1603
01:16:39,200 --> 01:16:42,760
Speaker 5: in there with other really good strikers, his volume just

1604
01:16:42,920 --> 01:16:46,200
Speaker 5: gets like disgustingly low. Like you, if I asked you,

1605
01:16:46,280 --> 01:16:48,639
Speaker 5: like who won the fight between him and Darren Till,

1606
01:16:48,680 --> 01:16:49,280
Speaker 5: what would you say?

1607
01:16:51,400 --> 01:16:53,439
Speaker 4: I don't know. I was too close to call for me.

1608
01:16:53,520 --> 01:16:55,840
Speaker 4: I mean I remember being really conflicted watching it live.

1609
01:16:56,880 --> 01:17:01,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, like you can't judge a fight when no punches

1610
01:17:01,080 --> 01:17:03,200
Speaker 5: are thrown. Yeah, you know what I mean, Like it's

1611
01:17:03,280 --> 01:17:05,920
Speaker 5: really difficult, like it it's really like I can't even

1612
01:17:06,280 --> 01:17:08,960
Speaker 5: I honestly, I don't know who won, like because it

1613
01:17:09,040 --> 01:17:11,599
Speaker 5: was I just remembering so frustrated watching that. And he's

1614
01:17:11,600 --> 01:17:13,320
Speaker 5: been in a couple of those, you know what I mean. Like,

1615
01:17:13,760 --> 01:17:17,200
Speaker 5: he's been in a couple of those. However, that's typically

1616
01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:20,320
Speaker 5: done with guys that have a really high danger factor.

1617
01:17:20,479 --> 01:17:25,000
Speaker 5: Would we uh till they hit really hard? Blall isn't

1618
01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:28,639
Speaker 5: a big puncher, He's a volume guy. I really like Blaw.

1619
01:17:28,680 --> 01:17:31,679
Speaker 5: I think he's incredible, and I think he I think

1620
01:17:31,920 --> 01:17:33,680
Speaker 5: you we're gonna see him wrestle a little bit here,

1621
01:17:33,680 --> 01:17:37,400
Speaker 5: and that does intrigue me a little bit. But just man,

1622
01:17:37,479 --> 01:17:40,400
Speaker 5: it's really difficult when I see two primary strikers match up,

1623
01:17:40,479 --> 01:17:42,280
Speaker 5: one being Stephen Thompson, It's really hard for me to

1624
01:17:42,320 --> 01:17:45,200
Speaker 5: pick against him. I'm gonna go him. I think he'll

1625
01:17:45,240 --> 01:17:47,479
Speaker 5: win by decision here. Blall is extremely durable and I

1626
01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:50,360
Speaker 5: thinka will have some moments and it wouldn't shock me

1627
01:17:50,439 --> 01:17:52,519
Speaker 5: if he won either, you know. Yeah, But uh, it's

1628
01:17:52,560 --> 01:17:53,920
Speaker 5: just really hard for me to bet against one a

1629
01:17:53,920 --> 01:17:54,759
Speaker 5: boy against another.

1630
01:17:54,800 --> 01:17:58,519
Speaker 4: Striker, Kenny Gilbert Burns laid out a pretty good blueprint

1631
01:17:58,560 --> 01:18:00,080
Speaker 4: I think for beating wonder Boy in the way you

1632
01:18:00,200 --> 01:18:02,799
Speaker 4: need to do it over fifteen minutes. But he obviously

1633
01:18:02,960 --> 01:18:06,120
Speaker 4: has a skill set on the ground that that not

1634
01:18:06,200 --> 01:18:08,559
Speaker 4: a lot of people possess. I do think Muhammad's going

1635
01:18:08,640 --> 01:18:11,120
Speaker 4: to have to wrestle here. It is a twenty five

1636
01:18:11,160 --> 01:18:13,840
Speaker 4: foot octagon compared to a thirty footer, which I think

1637
01:18:13,880 --> 01:18:14,840
Speaker 4: makes what Gilbert Burns was.

1638
01:18:14,800 --> 01:18:17,479
Speaker 5: Over that makes a big difference to different.

1639
01:18:17,560 --> 01:18:19,040
Speaker 4: I think it's a factor. Kenny what do you think

1640
01:18:19,040 --> 01:18:22,800
Speaker 4: about the Komen. Yeah, I'm thinking on very similar terms

1641
01:18:22,840 --> 01:18:24,719
Speaker 4: here with you guys. Listen.

1642
01:18:24,920 --> 01:18:28,720
Speaker 6: I think Ballall could go out there and potentially do

1643
01:18:28,800 --> 01:18:32,720
Speaker 6: exactly what Gilbert Burns did. And also, you know, as

1644
01:18:32,840 --> 01:18:35,680
Speaker 6: good as as Wonder Boy is, you know that you

1645
01:18:35,800 --> 01:18:39,240
Speaker 6: can't question. But he's been fighting a long time. And

1646
01:18:39,320 --> 01:18:42,000
Speaker 6: if you go back to you know, karate, his karate days,

1647
01:18:42,040 --> 01:18:47,479
Speaker 6: a kickboxing days, you know, how much does he want

1648
01:18:47,520 --> 01:18:49,479
Speaker 6: it at this stage of the game. I don't know,

1649
01:18:50,040 --> 01:18:52,200
Speaker 6: and that will wane over time for a lot of

1650
01:18:52,240 --> 01:18:54,040
Speaker 6: guys who have been in the game for a long time.

1651
01:18:55,439 --> 01:18:58,960
Speaker 4: But and for Ballall, you know, he's hungry. You know

1652
01:18:59,080 --> 01:18:59,800
Speaker 4: he's coming to fight.

1653
01:18:59,840 --> 01:18:59,880
Speaker 5: You.

1654
01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:02,600
Speaker 6: You know he's training hard, h and he's had a

1655
01:19:02,680 --> 01:19:05,080
Speaker 6: lot of great experience leading up to this fight. I

1656
01:19:05,160 --> 01:19:07,920
Speaker 6: think the way that he pressures, I think the fact

1657
01:19:07,960 --> 01:19:10,920
Speaker 6: that he throws a lot more volume and can also

1658
01:19:11,400 --> 01:19:13,960
Speaker 6: get it done on the wrestling and grappling side of things.

1659
01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:19,639
Speaker 6: And I think it's an intriguing underdog bet. But wonder

1660
01:19:19,720 --> 01:19:22,840
Speaker 6: Boy is so damn good man. He still is very

1661
01:19:22,880 --> 01:19:24,960
Speaker 6: good and a lot of times I feel like he

1662
01:19:25,520 --> 01:19:28,200
Speaker 6: is also most dangerous when you kind of calm him

1663
01:19:28,240 --> 01:19:30,160
Speaker 6: out a little bit, and if he's had a dud

1664
01:19:30,280 --> 01:19:32,640
Speaker 6: of a dud of a performance, he comes back and

1665
01:19:32,720 --> 01:19:36,280
Speaker 6: looks like a superstar again. So for me, that's why

1666
01:19:36,360 --> 01:19:38,840
Speaker 6: it's tough for me to bet against wonder Boy here.

1667
01:19:39,360 --> 01:19:42,760
Speaker 6: But Bellall's a problem, man. And again, you know what

1668
01:19:42,840 --> 01:19:45,000
Speaker 6: you're gonna get with Ballall every single time out he

1669
01:19:45,080 --> 01:19:47,160
Speaker 6: comes to fight. I think it's gonna be a close fight,

1670
01:19:47,360 --> 01:19:50,120
Speaker 6: But I like wonder Boy here all right, and James,

1671
01:19:50,160 --> 01:19:51,880
Speaker 6: before we gets you out of here. Main event, Chris

1672
01:19:52,000 --> 01:19:54,840
Speaker 6: Doccas minus one forty the Black Beast Derek Lewis plus

1673
01:19:54,960 --> 01:19:58,080
Speaker 6: one twenty Docas four and know in the UFC thus far,

1674
01:19:58,280 --> 01:20:00,960
Speaker 6: three straight bonuses for him. Don't tell you, guys what

1675
01:20:01,040 --> 01:20:04,000
Speaker 6: the Black Beast has accomplished in the UFC. Most decorated

1676
01:20:04,040 --> 01:20:06,479
Speaker 6: heavyweight knockout artists in UFC history did come up short

1677
01:20:06,520 --> 01:20:08,760
Speaker 6: in a bid for interim gold against the well moving

1678
01:20:08,800 --> 01:20:12,200
Speaker 6: seedle Gone in August. Chris Doccas moves pretty well as well.

1679
01:20:12,280 --> 01:20:13,120
Speaker 6: James Kraus, Who do you have.

1680
01:20:13,160 --> 01:20:17,760
Speaker 4: In the main event? Who was Dacas's last fight, Shamil Abduakimov.

1681
01:20:19,360 --> 01:20:21,439
Speaker 5: This is a really tough one for me. This is

1682
01:20:21,479 --> 01:20:24,320
Speaker 5: a really tough one for me. Uh, for whatever reason,

1683
01:20:25,640 --> 01:20:28,400
Speaker 5: this is this is kind of like, uh, this is

1684
01:20:28,520 --> 01:20:30,000
Speaker 5: kind of like the pour A al Verify for me.

1685
01:20:30,120 --> 01:20:31,240
Speaker 5: This depends on why that you asked me.

1686
01:20:31,760 --> 01:20:31,880
Speaker 3: Uh.

1687
01:20:32,680 --> 01:20:36,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, I I initially wanted to lean Lewis, but I

1688
01:20:36,800 --> 01:20:40,240
Speaker 5: feel like doccas is. I feel like a heavyweight. He's

1689
01:20:40,360 --> 01:20:45,240
Speaker 5: extremely agile, moves a lot and and and uh can

1690
01:20:45,320 --> 01:20:48,920
Speaker 5: be difficult to hit at times. And what I don't

1691
01:20:49,000 --> 01:20:52,479
Speaker 5: like about Derek Lewis is his volume is low. Gosh,

1692
01:20:52,600 --> 01:20:59,320
Speaker 5: dang man, he just needs one. Uh, I'm gonna go

1693
01:20:59,400 --> 01:21:01,960
Speaker 5: Derek Lewis. I don't know why my brain is telling

1694
01:21:02,000 --> 01:21:04,960
Speaker 5: me to pick Dokas, but for whatever reason, I keep

1695
01:21:05,040 --> 01:21:06,040
Speaker 5: leaning loose. I don't know why.

1696
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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a tough way to really tell that. It's

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01:21:08,800 --> 01:21:11,040
Speaker 4: weird to see a plus number next to Derek Lewis's

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01:21:11,160 --> 01:21:13,360
Speaker 4: name against Chris Dacas right now. And I love the

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Speaker 4: Dakas brothers. Right We featured him on the podcast like

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01:21:15,960 --> 01:21:19,120
Speaker 4: absolutely high on those boys. But to me, I was

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Speaker 4: flipped on this. Again. I don't look at these because

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Speaker 4: I want to try to be predictive before I look,

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Speaker 4: and I was. I was wrong. I had this one

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Speaker 4: backwards Hey, before we let you go, I'm gonna get

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Speaker 4: Kemplo's main event picking a little bit Thursday night on

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so we're doing. It's a fight Pass Invitational. It's

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Speaker 5: a grappling thing. So it's basically for the top organizations

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Speaker 5: and five Pass My show, fac LFA, c FC and

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Speaker 5: Fury have put together a team of four individuals. There's

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Speaker 5: a team captain that's in currently signed with UFC, and

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01:21:56,080 --> 01:21:59,960
Speaker 5: then there's three other people that have fought for that organization.

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Speaker 5: And we are at an extreme disadvantage because we've only

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Speaker 5: been in promotion for like a year or two. So

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Speaker 5: and you got LAFA it's been around for fifteen years.

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Speaker 5: They could, you know, they could have put together everybody.

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Speaker 5: But man, I will say this. I seen the roster

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Speaker 5: release and I'm like, holy fuck, Like this is fucking ridiculous,

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Speaker 5: Like this is insane. I was supposed to do a

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Speaker 5: super match against one person. Now they put out the

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Speaker 5: best damn. I mean, if you guys look up the roster,

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Speaker 5: it's really good. Like everybody in it is extremely like

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Speaker 5: we're not talking about good MMA fires. We're talking about

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Speaker 5: professional grapplers. I have fought like one time, you know

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Speaker 5: what I mean, Like like haf E Levato is on

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Speaker 5: the LFA LA team and Ramos is on that team,

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Speaker 5: and I'm like, what the fuck? What is sh what

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Speaker 5: is this ship?

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Speaker 4: And they put like.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and anyway, it's uh, the the roster

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Speaker 5: that they put together is is a very very high

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01:22:57,400 --> 01:23:00,719
Speaker 5: level team on all of them. So it's really I'm

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01:23:00,880 --> 01:23:04,040
Speaker 5: excited to grapple again. I did the quintete one last time.

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01:23:04,400 --> 01:23:07,600
Speaker 5: That was a lot of fun for me. Uh, you know,

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Speaker 5: I feel the way, thank you. I feel like I've

1737
01:23:11,120 --> 01:23:12,960
Speaker 5: probably been known for my striking in the UFC, but

1738
01:23:13,080 --> 01:23:15,320
Speaker 5: I'm a better grappler than I'm a striker probably, So.

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Speaker 4: Uh that was when you submitted a remote wall, right, yeah,

1740
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Speaker 4: so maybe let's you let us know what we need

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Speaker 4: to pay to get our logo on your shorts next

1742
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Speaker 4: time too. We'll take care of that.

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Speaker 5: Let's go. I don't know if I don't know if

1744
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Speaker 5: I think we have to wear a uniform, but if not,

1745
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Speaker 5: it's done.

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Speaker 3: Let's go.

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Speaker 4: All right, Love you buddy, thank you for the time

1748
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Speaker 4: and Uh, are you traveling this weekend or not?

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Speaker 5: No, No, I won't be there. I'm just doing I

1750
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Speaker 5: leave tomorrow for the for the Invitational on Thursday, and

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Speaker 5: then I'm back on.

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Speaker 4: All right, my man. Appreciate your time, buddy. We'll talk

1753
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Speaker 4: to you next week.

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Speaker 5: Thanks.

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Speaker 4: Yes, there he is James Cross with us here on

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Speaker 4: the Anakin Florian podcast. Sorry, Cam Flow, Dacas and Lewis

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Speaker 4: talk to me. Who do you got in the main event? Boy?

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Speaker 3: Uh?

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Speaker 6: You know, Derek has the ability to knock out anyone

1760
01:24:01,960 --> 01:24:05,240
Speaker 6: in the world. He is always dangerous. All it takes

1761
01:24:05,360 --> 01:24:07,760
Speaker 6: is one shot, doesn't even need to hit your clean.

1762
01:24:08,800 --> 01:24:11,400
Speaker 6: But I do think that Chris Daukas has the right

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01:24:11,479 --> 01:24:15,320
Speaker 6: experience at this point to be fighting someone like Derek Lewis.

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Speaker 6: I think he's seen enough Derek Lewis fights to know

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Speaker 6: what he's getting into. He's a smart guy. He's got

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01:24:20,640 --> 01:24:23,480
Speaker 6: some skills on the grappling side as well. I imagine

1767
01:24:23,520 --> 01:24:25,679
Speaker 6: that's probably where he's going to try to take this fight.

1768
01:24:26,320 --> 01:24:28,160
Speaker 6: But you gotta watch out for Dodkins and striking as well.

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01:24:28,200 --> 01:24:31,720
Speaker 6: He could surprise Derek Lewis there. I like Chris to

1770
01:24:31,840 --> 01:24:34,600
Speaker 6: win this fight. I'm gonna go with let's go with

1771
01:24:34,680 --> 01:24:35,919
Speaker 6: second round TKO.

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Speaker 4: Second round TKO for Chris Doccas the pick for Ken Flow.

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Speaker 4: All right, we gotta get on out of here. I'll

1774
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1778
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Speaker 4: But I just I was curious what Valentina was thinking

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