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Speaker 3: Doug McIntyre in for John and Ken Conway at four

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Speaker 3: o'clock and this hour we've got a very busy hour

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Speaker 3: ahead for you, including a chat with an LA City

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Speaker 3: council woman named Heather Hutt who wants to ban cash

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Speaker 3: list businesses. You know, these business i'll only take credit

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Speaker 3: That, as well as also the horrific apparent murder of

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Speaker 3: a woman who her only sin appeared to be hanging

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Speaker 3: she was killed for it. So we'll talk about that,

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Speaker 3: and of course anything that breaks, she can always count

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Speaker 3: on the KFI newsroom forgetting that for you right away.

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Speaker 3: One of the things that, of course we do here

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Speaker 3: at KFI is keep an eye on Sacramento. Sacramento is

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Speaker 3: one of those places that, for the rest of the media,

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Speaker 3: the only time time Sacramento makes the news is when

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Speaker 3: the Lakers are playing the Kings. Pretty much other than that,

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Speaker 3: nobody cares. And that's a problem because an awful lot

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Speaker 3: of stuff comes out of Sacramento that metals in your lives,

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Speaker 3: usually for special interest purposes or crazy ideological reasons. And

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Speaker 3: in nineteen thirteen, visionaries granted the or claimed the power

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Speaker 3: for the people of California the right to create these

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Speaker 3: ballot measures. And they can't stand this when those ballot

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Speaker 3: measures are used to rein in their power to grab

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Speaker 3: your cash. And that's one of the reasons that the

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Speaker 3: Howard Jarvis Taxpayers Association exists is because, of course, the

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Speaker 3: late Great Howard Jarvis created Prop thirteen, which is what

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Speaker 3: allows people to stay in their homes when they reach

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Speaker 3: retirement age. Essentially to talk to us about the latest

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Speaker 3: power grab up in Sacramento. It's a pleasure to welcome

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Speaker 3: back to KFI, John Capel, Howard Jarvis Taxpayers Association.

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Speaker 1: John, how are you haven't talked to in a while.

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Speaker 4: It's been a while, have you been.

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Speaker 3: I'm fine. I'm just kind of They let me in

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Speaker 3: the building and I said.

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Speaker 4: Okay, it's a thrilled minute up here in Sacramento, and yes,

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Speaker 4: very little happens good here in this city. You're right.

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Speaker 4: H Jata is known for proposing in the voters passed

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Speaker 4: Proposition thirteen, which has been remarkably successful. In allowing people

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Speaker 4: to stay in their homes. At the same time, it

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Speaker 4: has produced a lot of revenue for local governments. All

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Speaker 4: the things you heard about Prop thirteen, how it was,

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Speaker 4: how it's the worst thing ever, is just not born

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Speaker 4: by the facts. But for many years now, the courts

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Speaker 4: and the legislature have been poking holes in Proposition thirteen.

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Speaker 4: So we have allied ourselves with the Business Unity and

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Speaker 4: we have qualified a measure called the Taxpayer Protection and

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Speaker 4: Government Accountability Act. It is already qualified for the November

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Speaker 4: twenty twenty four ballot. Well, the status quo. The Progressives

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Speaker 4: can't stand this, and they have seen the same polling

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Speaker 4: we have, which shows that this proposal would be overwhelmingly popular.

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Speaker 4: So they have proposed this is a brazen sneak attack

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Speaker 4: on not only Proposition thirteen, but the initiative process which

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Speaker 4: you just alluded to, and that is, if it passes.

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Speaker 4: This thing is called Assembly Constitutional Amendment Number thirteen. And

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Speaker 4: it's kind of ironic that they chose the number thirteen.

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Speaker 4: I don't think that was by acting.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, it's absolutely not by accident.

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Speaker 3: It's hard to just make people think blindly, Oh, it's Prop.

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Speaker 4: Thirteen exactly We've seen this drill before. But what it

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Speaker 4: would do was it would make the passage of the

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Speaker 4: Taxpayer Protection Act very hard because we do. One of

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Speaker 4: the things that we do is we reinforce and reinstate

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Speaker 4: the two thirds vote requirement for local special taxes, which

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Speaker 4: was taken away through court decisions. So we're bringing that back.

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Speaker 4: And the other thing that the Taxpayer Protection Act does

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Speaker 4: it provides unprecedented transparency and ballot measures, and it also

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Speaker 4: restrains the use of fees disguise the taxes. It does

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Speaker 4: a lot of really good things, and that's what have

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Speaker 4: That's what has the the the very progressive folks very

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Speaker 4: nervous here in Sacramento. So this is their ambush. They

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Speaker 4: have proposed a constitutional amendment which, if it passes, would

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Speaker 4: require that the Taxpayer Protection Act itself get a two

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Speaker 4: thirds vote of the electorate, and that is virtually impossible.

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Speaker 4: Proposition thirteen itself came very close. I believe it was

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Speaker 4: sixty six point four percent, but even Prop thirteen would

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Speaker 4: in the constitution. And by the way, when the constitutions

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Speaker 4: know that they can't take Prop thirteen on directly. It

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Speaker 4: they're trying to do is just a backdoor, sneak attack

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Speaker 4: on not just Proposition thirteen, but the initiative power that

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Speaker 4: the original Progressives, the good Progressives back in nineteen eleven

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Speaker 4: Hiram Johnson gave to the people the state of California

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Speaker 4: to bypass an indolent or corrupt legislature.

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Speaker 3: We talk with John Kapel of the Howard Jarvis Taxpayers Association,

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Speaker 3: and it seems to me, again as a casual observer

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Speaker 3: Schitzo ballot measures system in place right now, where you

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Speaker 3: have you have citizen groups that try to advance ballot

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Speaker 3: measures to correct either injustices that exist or legislatively imposed

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Speaker 3: can for some reason just you know, at the snap

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Speaker 3: they just rubber stamp and get these things put on

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Speaker 3: we've got voters voting on, for instance, liver you know,

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Speaker 3: purification measures and whether or not we should have dialysis,

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Speaker 3: something that I'm totally unqualified to make a determination on

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Speaker 3: things like that. How is how did the process break down?

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Speaker 3: Because this I don't believe that Hiram Johnson and the

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Speaker 3: would be voting on our cane pieces of legislation. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 3: the you know, the fundamental stuff like how much property

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Speaker 4: Yes, I think that's absolutely right. The process of qualifying

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Speaker 4: an initiative is increasingly difficult. They have changed the laws

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Speaker 4: repeatedly to make it more difficult. I think they should

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Speaker 4: allow a true citizens' initiatives should allow a year to qualify.

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Speaker 4: Now we have one hundred and eighty days. It's a

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Speaker 4: very compressed, difficult process. And with the Taxpayer Protection Act

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Speaker 4: that again we qualify for the November ballot, that was

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Speaker 4: very expensive and it's difficult. And you're right, these major

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Speaker 4: special interest groups like the dialysis the nurses and some

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Speaker 4: of the public sector labor organizations. They have a better

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Speaker 4: chance at qualifying because they have the resources. But at

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Speaker 4: the end of the day, Doug, I still trust the voters.

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Speaker 4: You know, you can qualify, special interests, can qualify almost anything.

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Speaker 4: Getting it passed is a little bit more difficult, and

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Speaker 4: I do think overall voters do reject the things that

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Speaker 4: they perceive as special interests, and that in fact, the

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Speaker 4: dialysis is a perfect example. They've tried that three times

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Speaker 4: and they've lost all three times, and so I do

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Speaker 4: think that it is it is difficult to pass. The

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Speaker 4: one that really disappointed me, of course, was the and

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Speaker 4: this was not from the initiative process. This was from

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Speaker 4: the legislature, a bond measure for the high speed rail project,

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Speaker 4: and obviously that did not turn out very well. So

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Speaker 4: I would argue that some of the constitutional amendments proposed

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Speaker 4: by the legislatorture are as bad or worse than the

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Speaker 4: worst initiatives out there, because again, the initiative process is

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Speaker 4: that backstop against a corrupt legislature.

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Speaker 3: One of the you know, I spend my time John

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Speaker 3: trying to figure out how to fix all the world's problems,

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Speaker 3: you know, because that's me. I'm a problem solver. And

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Speaker 3: one of the things that I think would go a

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Speaker 3: long way towards cleaning up these ballots would be if

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Speaker 3: they would ban titles, if voters had to read the

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Speaker 1: I think it would go a.

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Speaker 3: Long way towards heading some of these off because half

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Speaker 3: the time people say, if I vote yes, am I

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Speaker 3: getting the actual opposite of what I want? Or if

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Speaker 3: I vote no, am I actually endorsing the thing that

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Speaker 3: I want to stop? It can be, you know, And

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Speaker 3: there's an art to how they jury rig these things.

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Speaker 4: You're absolutely right, and the politicization of the title ballot,

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Speaker 4: title in summary process is something that's only fairly recent phenomenal,

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Speaker 4: our attorney generals, a series of attorney generals have put

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Speaker 4: on horrible titles. We have supported legislation that would transfer

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Speaker 4: General to the legislative analysts, and people say, well, the

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Speaker 4: legislative analyst works for the legislature. We've seen a series

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Speaker 4: of legislative analysts, and we don't always agree with them,

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Speaker 4: but they're straight shooters, they're fair arbiters of the process.

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Speaker 4: We would feel far more comfortable just giving that process

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Speaker 4: to someone who is motivated by clarity, not by politics,

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Speaker 4: and I think that would go a long way in

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Speaker 4: addressing the problem. Of course, we still agree with you

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Speaker 4: that everybody should read it and should understand it. These

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Speaker 4: ballot pamphlets are very long and lengthy. I do think

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Speaker 4: one of the benefits of early voting is that instead

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Speaker 4: of trying to understand and what you're voting on when

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Speaker 4: get the ballot pamphlet weeks in advance. It takes some homework,

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Speaker 4: but you know, if you believe in democracy, if you

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Speaker 4: there are instances. You know, back in nineteen eleven, the

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Speaker 4: powerful special interest was the railroads, and that's why Hiram

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Speaker 4: Johnson and the Progressives got us the initiative referendum and

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Speaker 4: have just as much of a law on the legislature

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Speaker 4: as the railroads did in the early nineteen hundreds.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So to wrap this, how do we what actions

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Speaker 4: Amazingly, they just dropped this bill last Friday and it's

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Speaker 4: up for hearing tomorrow. So people can go on our

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Speaker 4: website at HJTA dot org. We have an alert there.

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Speaker 4: Go to our website. Call your legislator, particularly in the Assembly.

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Speaker 4: It's not in the Senate yet, but you can go

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Speaker 4: to our website, find out who your Assembly representative is

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Speaker 4: if you don't know, and give them a call and

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Speaker 4: say this, we will not accept a sneak attack on

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Speaker 4: Prop thirteen or the powers of direct democracy.

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Speaker 3: All right, as always, John, it's a pleasure, John Cappel,

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Speaker 3: Howard Jarvis Taxpayers Association. This is where it's not enough

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Speaker 3: to be an informed electorate. It's a participatory activity. Being

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Speaker 3: a citizen means you got to put a helmet on

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Speaker 3: and get in the game and give some hits. You'll

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Speaker 3: take some hits, but you got to give them back.

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Speaker 3: You can't just be a passive observer on the sideline.

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Speaker 3: You'll get rolled.

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Speaker 2: Every time you're listening to John and Ken on demand

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Speaker 2: from KFI AM six forty.

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Speaker 3: This is k IF I AM six forty live everywhere

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Speaker 3: on the iHeartRadio app. McIntyre in for John and Ken

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Speaker 3: Conway coming up at four, Deborah Eric, I drank.

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Speaker 1: I'm drinking radio station coffee. Oh yeah, you did make

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Speaker 1: a bad mistake. I thought you were going to say

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Speaker 1: you spilled it. No, no worse.

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Speaker 3: I voluntarily went in there and I used that machine

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Speaker 3: and I'm walking around like, oh, look at this.

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Speaker 1: You know, the water hasn't been changed, Doug in months.

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Speaker 2: You're listening to John and Ken on demand from KFI

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Speaker 3: Forty and Doug macatar in for John and Ken Tim

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Speaker 3: And it says right on the money, on all the money,

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Speaker 5: That's right. It is convenient for businesses, but inconvenient for

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Speaker 3: It's about it says right on the money, folks, take

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Speaker 5: Well, that is important because now you're saying using these

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Speaker 5: cards as a job killer, and we don't want to

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Speaker 5: kill any job. We want people to work, and so

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Speaker 5: that's an important factor that people need to go to work.

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Speaker 5: And if that means that they're the person that is

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Speaker 5: moving the cash, then we want them there. Let me

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Speaker 5: give you some statistic. Sticks seven percent of California's population

441
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Speaker 5: is unbanked, or about twenty percent of them are underbanked.

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Speaker 5: They have irregular access to banking services, or they're using

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Speaker 5: check cashing something or others to get a debit card

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Speaker 5: to pay a fee for a car that they have

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Speaker 5: to use and pay a fee every time they swipe

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Speaker 5: that car. So you know, if you're poor, you can't

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Speaker 5: afford to spend forty dollars on fees, and you prepage

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Speaker 5: a card for two hundred dollars, you only have one

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Speaker 5: hundred and sixty dollars to spend. That's not reasonable. Also,

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Speaker 5: there are businesses that went cash was like for instance,

451
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Speaker 5: Sweet Greens and twenty sixteen, but they found out, hey,

452
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Speaker 5: this isn't working out, and they bought cash back into

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Speaker 5: their policy and so now they're cash And there are

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Speaker 5: other places just so that folks know, like New York, Philadelphia, Colorado,

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Speaker 5: New Jersey, Rhode Island and Washington, d C. That have

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Speaker 5: this same kind of proposals. San Francisco we're talking to

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Speaker 5: right now in Berkeley Bright in California who have this

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Speaker 5: the same ordinances that say, hey, this is not going

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Speaker 5: to be a cash of city. And so they're helping

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Speaker 5: us develop even more language to really make this all

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Speaker 5: inclusive community. It needs to be about equity, all right.

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Speaker 3: City Councilwoman Heather Hut representing Council Matic District ten in

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Speaker 3: Los Angeles. We'll follow the path of this. Thanks for

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Speaker 3: your time. Appreciate you coming on today. Okay, you know

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Speaker 3: you know by the way, Deborah, you know who I

466
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Speaker 3: learned this from, and this was years ago, was our

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Speaker 3: very own Tim Conway Jr.

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Speaker 1: Oh really, I was with Tim.

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Speaker 3: He had to FedEx something someplace, and I'll ask him

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Speaker 3: about this if he should lower himself to come in.

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Speaker 1: Well, he's wandering the halls. He just gave me a

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Speaker 1: thumbs up, so I think I heard him. He's always

473
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Speaker 1: wandering the halls. But but we went.

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Speaker 3: It went into a FedEx place in Burbank. He had

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Speaker 3: to FedEx something someplace, mister big shot. And at the

476
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,119
Speaker 3: time there was a time in Tim's life when he

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Speaker 3: was trying to have a low profile in terms of finances.

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Speaker 1: I'm just going to leave it at that.

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00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 3: Okay, he didn't want to leave a lot of paper trail,

480
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Speaker 3: so pretty much he had every dollar he owned in

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Speaker 3: the world on him at any given time, and the

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Speaker 3: FedEx people wouldn't take wouldn't take a credit, it wouldn't

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Speaker 3: take cash. And he's the one that read and it

484
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Speaker 3: was it stuck in my head. He's the one that

485
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Speaker 3: pulled the dollar bill out and read this note is

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Speaker 3: legal tender for all debts public and private to the

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Speaker 3: FedEx clerks in the store.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Well you could see him doing that, right, Oh totally.

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Speaker 3: I had to read it twice though to get it right.

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Speaker 3: But anyway, the thing is he did read it, and

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Speaker 3: it struck me. Then that Wait a second, when all

493
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 3: of a sudden, do these guys get to decide that

494
00:28:56,040 --> 00:29:00,479
Speaker 3: the US greenback is no longer acceptable to purchase products

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Speaker 3: in the United States of America, It seems it.

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Speaker 1: Seems not wrong. Well he told them he sure did,

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Speaker 1: And now city council jumping on it. Only took about

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Speaker 1: twenty five years to get around to this.

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Speaker 2: You're listening to John and Ken on demand from KFI

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Speaker 2: AM six.

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00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 3: Forty McIntyre in for John and Ken and the plan

502
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 3: as of now is to let me back in the

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Speaker 3: building for one more day tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: We'll see if that sticks. Overnight.

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Speaker 3: People can catch they can come to their senses though, Eric,

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00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 3: so you know, management made the wheels could turn.

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00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 1: But that's the plan as of now.

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Speaker 3: And thanks by the way to Ray Lopez, to Dana,

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00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 3: to Eric and to Deborah Mark for two days.

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Speaker 1: We got one more day. We can do it, folks.

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Speaker 3: We can soldier through this and then John and Ken

512
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 3: will be back in the saddle on Thursday and Friday,

513
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Speaker 3: Conway at four o'clock.

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Speaker 1: Things are not going great for Brittany.

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Speaker 3: I know we freed Brittany, but it seems to me

516
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Speaker 3: that she's a little, a little beyond the buoy. The

517
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 3: latest one is besides the divorce filing and all that

518
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 3: is more topless pictures, more nude photos that she's posting

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Speaker 3: and some guy licking her feet, which is an image

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Speaker 3: we didn't necessarily need. So you know, even the Britney

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Speaker 3: fans is starting to get a little scared that perhaps

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Speaker 3: maybe she needs a little adult supervision. And this is

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Speaker 3: you know, I don't want to make light of this,

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Speaker 3: because I personally it's.

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Speaker 1: One man's opinion. What do I know. I'm not a doctor.

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Speaker 3: I'm a patient in fact, but it seems like the

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Speaker 3: girl needs some help.

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Speaker 1: Maybe Free Britney wasn't the best idea. It might not

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Speaker 1: have been.

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Speaker 3: And this will be really not fun if it takes

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Speaker 3: a real ugly turn, as these things can frequently do.

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Speaker 3: That's also the case with mister West, the artist formerly

533
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Speaker 3: known as Kanye or whatever name he's going by today,

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Speaker 3: is it ye, yeah, okay, he's got this. He's got

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Speaker 3: a wife, although I don't think he's actually married. It

536
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 3: was like some ceremony that they perform themselves, and you know,

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00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 3: she likes to show the goods, and apparently he likes

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00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 3: her to show the goods. They're in Italy and she's

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00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 3: essentially naked in Italy. There are statues in Italy that

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00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 3: are wearing more clothes than she's wearing, so I don't

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Speaker 3: know what that's about. And then the last one on

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Speaker 3: this is Lizzo. The empire that was Lizzo seems to

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00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 3: be crumbling as bad vibes have crept in, like Ellen

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00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 3: DeGeneres Good all of a sudden Lizzo's got some issues

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00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 3: from empowerment to possibly her. She's now been kicked out

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Speaker 3: of the NFL. Do you know how bad you have

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00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 3: to be? There are murderers and wife beaters that are

548
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 3: in the NFL. But Lizzo has been told you cannot

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00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 3: appear at the halftime show. And I don't think she

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00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 3: had even gotten the gig. They just went out of

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00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 3: their way to say, no, we're not even considering it.

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Speaker 1: When you're two rotten.

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Speaker 3: That's like I wrote that piece about Van Uy's Boulevard

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Speaker 3: and I saw that the dirty bookstore at Victory in

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00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 3: Van Nuys had closed. Is that when a neighborhood is

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00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 3: too far gone for a dirty bookstore, then you know

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Speaker 3: you have jumped the shark.

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Speaker 1: In terms of seediness. Hey Conway, yes, ma'am.

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Speaker 4: Conway was a frequent He had one of those frequent

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Speaker 4: Maybe it was he had a card where you just

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Speaker 4: punched it in.

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Speaker 1: This way Frequent Reader program nine. You have to pay

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Speaker 1: for the tenth is free, right. Venus Fair was my

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00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 1: home home turf that was it. This one went south anyway.

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Speaker 1: The building is still there. So I was telling the story.

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Speaker 3: We had the city council woman Heather hut On, who's

567
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Speaker 3: trying to do away with cash list businesses in la

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Speaker 3: I was telling a story. I don't know how many

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Speaker 3: years ago this was, but you were far in advance

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Speaker 3: of this. We were in a FedEx store in Bourbon

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Speaker 3: and the guy wouldn't take it.

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Speaker 1: You wouldn't take cash.

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Speaker 3: And at that time, and I'm just going to be

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Speaker 3: diplomatic here, you were trying to keep a low profile

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Speaker 3: interns of the paper trail.

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Speaker 6: I had no credit cards. The i RS is breathing

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00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 6: down my neck. I didn't have a way to pay

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00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 6: for that FedEx other than cash, and so I read

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Speaker 6: the note on the on the bill, and I said,

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Speaker 6: you got to take this.

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Speaker 3: That right says right this, this note is good for

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Speaker 3: all debts, public.

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Speaker 6: All debts, all deb not just with the exception of

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Speaker 6: FedEx exactly.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And he took.

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Speaker 3: It, and I had, well, here's the thing I had.

587
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 3: I got shut down. I went to this stupid food

588
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Speaker 3: court in Kenoga Park with they had all kinds of

589
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 3: food that I didn't know what it was anyway, and

590
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 3: I got so angry because I couldn't work the automatic

591
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 3: ordering machines. And then I figured I'm going to buy

592
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 3: a bottle of water and get out of here. I

593
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 3: want to buy up bottle of water, one stinking bottle

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Speaker 3: of sparkless.

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Speaker 1: They would only take credit cards.

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Speaker 3: Wow, So now we got the law though, we got

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Speaker 3: city council woman had the hearts on the case.

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Speaker 1: So we're going to fix this. But it does Distroye.

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Speaker 1: You're saying Tim was patient zero. He was once again,

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Speaker 1: he was a pioneer. That's right.

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Speaker 6: And I also remember I asked h McIntyre because we've

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Speaker 6: been friends for what forty years or.

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00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 1: No, we've known each other for forty he's been friends

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Speaker 1: for about two years.

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Speaker 6: But I said to him one day, I said, hey, buddy,

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Speaker 6: what does your signature look like? And he's like, nothing

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Speaker 6: has ever come good after that.

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Speaker 3: Nothing legal, nothing follow He walks into my house and says, hey, hey,

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Speaker 3: what's your handwriting?

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Speaker 1: What's your signature look like? Tim? I needed somebody to

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Speaker 1: forge a document. You know what else?

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Speaker 3: I learned, by the way, in the two years that

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Speaker 3: we were roommates, he was living red free.

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Speaker 1: At my house. That's true. Tim would and I was

615
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Speaker 1: trying to figure this.

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Speaker 3: He would do the dishes and I'm still trying to

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Speaker 3: figure out what dishes they were to do because.

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Speaker 1: We only ate off the cardboard boxes. We didn't need.

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Speaker 3: Nobody was cooking anything, but we would go through four

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Speaker 3: bottles of Doves that's dishwashing liquid a week.

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Speaker 1: He would put half a bottle. Oh my god.

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Speaker 3: It was like soap SuDS, filling the entire kitchen, then

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Speaker 3: spilling into the living room from him doing the dishes.

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Speaker 6: On Thanksgiving, McIntyre got up at six am, put it

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Speaker 6: to on, went back to bed, woke up at three

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Speaker 6: o'clock with the smoke detectors, put the bird outside in

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Speaker 6: the trash because it was burnt to a crisp, and

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Speaker 6: went back to bed.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a true story. That is a true story.

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Speaker 1: That's a bachelor's Thanks. Thanks, all right, what are you?

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Speaker 6: Mark Thompson is here Mark Thompson And I know we

632
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Speaker 6: had an earthquake and OHI again right, yeah, just days

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00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 6: after the five point one plus Hollywood studios are bringing

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Speaker 6: back the mask mandate.

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Speaker 1: Can't wait for that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's just they can sneak a listers

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Speaker 3: in a movie set during the strike.

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Speaker 6: They won't recognize it. Shows and then death. Vallely got

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Speaker 6: a year's worth of rain in twenty four hours.

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Speaker 1: That's wild, all right, that's wild to do. I love

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Speaker 1: it all right. I'm slide down the dinner store caught

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Speaker 1: my next. Hey, you've been listening to The John and

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Speaker 1: Ken Show.

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Speaker 6: You can always hear us live on kf I Am

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Speaker 6: six forty one pm to four pm every Monday through Friday,

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