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Speaker 1: phenomenal episode of My Mama Told Me the podcast. But

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Speaker 1: we died deep, deep into the pockets of black inspiras theories,

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Speaker 1: He lost the good one, Ladies and gentlemen. He's gonna

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Speaker 1: happy to be here. As always, I have been reading

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Speaker 1: One of which I'd love to read to you all

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Speaker 1: today a message that came from a gentleman named Corey Stewart.

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Speaker 1: I think it's a gentleman. It could be a lady.

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Speaker 1: I don't know and don't matter, but Corey sent us

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Speaker 1: white people for being able to have antics of murdered

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Speaker 1: believe that appealing to white people's humanity will get us anyway. Uh.

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Speaker 1: In the year nineteen nineteen, there were hundreds of riots

429
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 1: all across the United States and what's called the Red

430
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 1: Summer of nineteen nineteen. And the reason those riots existed,

431
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 1: like they just popped up all across the United States

432
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:41,720
Speaker 1: was because for the first time, black soldiers had gone

433
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:44,159
Speaker 1: into the army and fought in World War One, and

434
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:50,240
Speaker 1: when they returned, white people were upset generally because they

435
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 1: were looking them in the eyes and treating them, treating

436
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,679
Speaker 1: white people as their equals. Right, because they had been

437
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 1: in the Paris, all over Europe and the Netherlands and

438
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:06,440
Speaker 1: in Africa, and they came back in the head month

439
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:11,640
Speaker 1: and and white people killed them for that, right, Your

440
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 1: white people, uh felt very frustrated that black people came

441
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 1: back with confidence and a new self esteem and they

442
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 1: were like, fuck this, I'd rather you die than believe

443
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:27,160
Speaker 1: in yourself. Right. So there is no reason to think

444
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 1: that appealing like just simple appeal to humanity will give

445
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:35,880
Speaker 1: us some sort of like leg like. But first of all,

446
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:39,160
Speaker 1: we exist in this world. So if they don't see

447
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:44,119
Speaker 1: us as humans from the beginning, it is hard to

448
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 1: imagine what else we could do to engender that mm hmm.

449
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 1: So one of the things that the study says, and

450
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:53,360
Speaker 1: I think that this is super useful to what you're

451
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 1: already pointing out with examples, is that basically humans tend

452
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 1: to categorize themselves, whether uh intentionally or unintentionally at three

453
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:07,879
Speaker 1: levels there with increasing sort of like levels of inclusiveness.

454
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:12,120
Speaker 1: There's the personal, the social, and then the grander human right.

455
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 1: And we're able to shift and expand those groups as necessary,

456
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 1: depending on who we're talking to and who I guess

457
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:24,879
Speaker 1: qualifies to fit within those groups. Meaning like, uh, my

458
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 1: personal might just be my friends and my family. But

459
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 1: then if my uh, you know, wife now expands my

460
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:34,880
Speaker 1: group by bringing in a new friend, that person then

461
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 1: gets under that umbrella. And similarly, in the social, I

462
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 1: might identify with black people, but then I might also

463
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 1: identify with like an expanding sense of like minorities depending

464
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 1: on what's happening in the world or whatever whatever. But

465
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 1: one of the things that the research sort of shows

466
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 1: is that it is extremely rare for people to actually

467
00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 1: expand beyond the social into the human. That like, no

468
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 1: matter what it is we whatever is wrong with human beings,

469
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 1: we can't ever make it from social meaning that smaller

470
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 1: subset of black people into world issues. I wonder why

471
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 1: that is, Like I I wouldn't presume to know why

472
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 1: that is, but I think just generally human beings, first

473
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 1: of all, tend to congregate in tribes and groups and

474
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 1: the other thing is like, just as human animals, right,

475
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 1: we want an advantage, right, And so you know, if

476
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 1: you're white and I'm black, you know, the white person

477
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 1: kind of knows that in America they've got an advantage

478
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 1: over you, like just living in this country. And I

479
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 1: think theoretically sometimes they might want to eliminate that advantage,

480
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 1: like would be a good person theoretical, but that means

481
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 1: also that they got to compete with more people forward, food, money,

482
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 1: or whatever. So like I think maybe and I could

483
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 1: see generally what white people might want to, like in

484
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 1: their heads, say we are all one, but when it

485
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 1: comes push comes to shove, right, and it's one piece

486
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 1: of meat, yeah, and you hungry and I'm hungry, you

487
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 1: want the whole piece of meat, or you want to

488
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:30,479
Speaker 1: spend with the black duds, right. And I think that's

489
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 1: a really important thing that it sort of gets into,

490
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 1: is that this subgrouping, this aligning. Right. So like in

491
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 1: the case of looking at the George Floyd based off

492
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 1: of what you're talking about, there were a lot of

493
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 1: people after George Floyd dies who go like, this is awful.

494
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 1: I hate that this is happening to black people. I

495
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 1: want to do something, but effectively, if we're truly being honest,

496
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 1: if we're living in a world where people are truly

497
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 1: being honest, there's not that much you can do without

498
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 1: stealing food from your own mouth. And so because people

499
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 1: are unwilling to fully steal the food from their own mouth,

500
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 1: y'all ain't gonna do that much. You're gonna feel bad.

501
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 1: You ain't gonna necessarily like, uh, party in the streets

502
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 1: about the ship. But no, dog, I'm not going hungry.

503
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 1: I figure it out. You we all eating, go ahead

504
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 1: right right, like, because I mean, the truth is this,

505
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 1: I mean, this ship is hard to being black, right,

506
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 1: and like I want to be with you, bro, but

507
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 1: like you know that good shot by the Boldies and

508
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 1: schools and you know, people follow you around at the

509
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 1: store like I don't get you, man, But like, right,

510
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm gonna let you have this one. This

511
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 1: ain't really my thing. People generally seek the easier path

512
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 1: in life. M hum. And then I think I think

513
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 1: part of what's interesting in this study that they did

514
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 1: was they did find that the most common way that

515
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 1: people did appeal to humanity or sort of recategorized for humanity,

516
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 1: was actually coming from the victims of these situations. So

517
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 1: it's super unlikely that somebody who is the perpetrator of

518
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 1: the crime to then like recognize the humanity in the

519
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 1: person that they hurt. Nazis ain't going to see Jews

520
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 1: as human vice versa. It's more likely that Jews, the

521
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 1: victims of this crime, are able to see the humanity

522
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 1: in the Nazis, in part because it's the only way

523
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 1: that you can move forward in your own life and

524
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 1: your own subgroups. That like, if you spend your whole

525
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 1: life sort of being engulfed in this hatred, you're never

526
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 1: going to be able to like take steps forward and

527
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 1: then eventually like build a life, be happy, grow as

528
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 1: a human all that stuff, right, is that commonality. Then

529
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 1: it's that commonality where it's like people in a foxhold

530
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 1: in war, right, we share this thing, we share this moment,

531
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 1: and that bonds us forever. So so victims are probably

532
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 1: more likely to bond than like, you know, the people

533
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 1: who have never suffered those kinds of things. Yes, and

534
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 1: that's exactly what the study says is that not only

535
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 1: does it make us appeal to the humanity of our oppressor,

536
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 1: which is, you know, effectively not helpful, because the oppressor

537
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 1: doesn't see me as a human at the same time,

538
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 1: but it also creates a deeper bond with the subgroup

539
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 1: that I already exist in. So now I'm I'm holding

540
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 1: super tight to this subgroup and it doesn't allow me

541
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 1: to see anything past that sort of conversation, right, which

542
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 1: is really the brilliance of like documents like the Constitution,

543
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Because the Constitution tells you

544
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 1: all this ship about how valuable all humans are, that

545
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 1: like every man is created equal, we all have these

546
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 1: inalienable rights, blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. But

547
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 1: the reality is you're talking to very specific people who

548
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 1: are going to see themselves in a very specific subgroup

549
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 1: group and never actually see the other humans involved in

550
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 1: this conversation. So you're only affirming the evils and people

551
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:11,479
Speaker 1: and not actually actualizing the ship that we really need,

552
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 1: which is all of us being legit equal. It makes

553
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 1: me wonder what's the what the answer is though, Like

554
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 1: if you can't appeal to someone's humanity, then what do

555
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 1: you appeal to? And Like I have this theory that

556
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 1: you have to convince people that the dumb stuff that

557
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 1: they're doing the dumb ship they're doing hurts them. Racism

558
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:41,439
Speaker 1: hurt white people too. Write Like I was talking about diversity, right,

559
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:44,319
Speaker 1: like people look at diversity like say you own a

560
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 1: company and you're trying to increase your diversity offers. Some

561
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:52,760
Speaker 1: people look at it as like you being doing something

562
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 1: beneficial for black people. I was like no, Like when

563
00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 1: you have a more diverse group of people would offer

564
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 1: perspective working on something, then you have a better You

565
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 1: end up with a better product. And I was talking

566
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 1: about the news like for along Tide for years, like

567
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:11,839
Speaker 1: we don't see no black people on the news, like

568
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:17,800
Speaker 1: giving us the news and what we got is homogeneous

569
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 1: perception of the news. And it's interesting to me, Like

570
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 1: so I remember one of the first news rooms I

571
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:28,880
Speaker 1: work in it, right, and they would report the news

572
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:33,760
Speaker 1: like say somebody got shot. They were reported by reading

573
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 1: the police report, right, And I was like yeah, yeah,

574
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 1: Like the least, the least trustworthy thing in this whole

575
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 1: equation is the police report, right, Like that's where the

576
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 1: lies are. They police always, always, always, always lie on

577
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 1: the police report. Right. And if you go back and

578
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 1: look at bid the camp footage and compare it to

579
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 1: police reports, this is invariably true. Right, But when you

580
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 1: don't have anything but white people in your news room,

581
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 1: you report the police and and the problem with that

582
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 1: is it's not because you want to stick it to

583
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 1: the police or something. You reporting like you want trust

584
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 1: the source of dudes. Your news is subjectively worse because

585
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 1: you have all white people who don't know this, right, yes,

586
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 1: and so bringing into black people the first to find

587
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:31,280
Speaker 1: your dude room really makes a better product just because

588
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 1: you just got more. Yeah, I mean, it's to that point.

589
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 1: It's the motherfucker's writing essays from Wikipedia the first couple

590
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,879
Speaker 1: of years where like you, there was a while where

591
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 1: we didn't know right where we were like, hey, this

592
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 1: is kind of like the new encyclopedia, and this is

593
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 1: a useful resource. And then at some point we realize, oh, ship,

594
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,800
Speaker 1: this is just people writing what they think is correct

595
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 1: on a document that then gets posted on the internet.

596
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,240
Speaker 1: It may or may not be true, and quite often

597
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 1: is a very muddied version of the truth. But you

598
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 1: don't get to keep writing your essay from Wikipedia after

599
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 1: you've acknowledged that the ship ain't right. And if you do,

600
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:12,439
Speaker 1: you ain't got no sense you acting up right, They

601
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:16,399
Speaker 1: said Brianna Taylor was okay, was uninjured when they took

602
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:20,919
Speaker 1: her to the hospital. They said, boy was was resisting

603
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 1: and he was fine, like the the officer restrained him

604
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 1: right like until we saw the footage. Remember Walter Scott

605
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 1: in South Carolina. They said that he attacked the police

606
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:37,839
Speaker 1: officer and a man was running away opposite direction. One

607
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 1: of the more important things that you're also getting to,

608
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:45,800
Speaker 1: and this is a little complicated, is is the ways

609
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:49,839
Speaker 1: in which they create these subgroups, or forced us rather

610
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:53,879
Speaker 1: to create our own subgroups through this victimization, through these

611
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 1: offenses that are happening to unlike people in a lot

612
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,319
Speaker 1: of ways. That like, despite the fact that you and

613
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 1: I are black, or even better example, despite the fact

614
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:06,320
Speaker 1: that George Floyd and I are both black, that's pretty

615
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 1: much the end of the ship we have in common,

616
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 1: right like that, ain't a dude who like in any

617
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 1: under any other circumstances. You place us in a room

618
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 1: where I just vibe with him, We ain't. We ain't

619
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 1: got that much to talk about if the man kept living.

620
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 1: But unfortunately, because of the crimes that you all keep

621
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 1: committing over and over again, I'm forced to create a

622
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 1: subgroup with a person who otherwise would not be my subgroup,

623
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:35,919
Speaker 1: would not be in my personal circle. But I would

624
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 1: argue that that you didn't create the subgroup, right, that

625
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 1: that you you just realized that you were in the subgroup.

626
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 1: It's forced on us. We probably grew up on different

627
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 1: sides in the country and different worlds and different upbringings,

628
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 1: and this one thing that brings us together wasn't created

629
00:38:55,520 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 1: by us, Like we didn't manifest this, right We in

630
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:03,320
Speaker 1: a world that are two worlds that are totally different,

631
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 1: and the one thing we have in common affects our

632
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 1: lives so much that they outweigh like like like I

633
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:13,400
Speaker 1: neve go a dirt road in the middle of a

634
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,399
Speaker 1: small set of town bro like, we don't probably don't

635
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 1: have that much income hell from there in common like

636
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:30,240
Speaker 1: the average Because this because of these sub groups they created, Yes,

637
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 1: a pent And I think I think that again is

638
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 1: like part of the mastery of like the people who

639
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 1: sat down and I like to think of it as

640
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 1: like an evil twiddling their fingers sort of group of people.

641
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:46,280
Speaker 1: But the genius of what they created is they're forcing

642
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 1: us to live in these subgroups that they created, that

643
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 1: they spawned and sort of like left us in uh

644
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:56,879
Speaker 1: that block us from actually seeing the people that are

645
00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 1: like us in similar subgroups. So the reality is that

646
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:02,840
Speaker 1: there are poor white people in this country who have

647
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 1: such a difficult time with the word privilege and the

648
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:10,760
Speaker 1: idea that they somehow have something better than everybody else.

649
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:14,760
Speaker 1: And the reality is if we could have a real conversation,

650
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:18,760
Speaker 1: we could clarify exactly what privileges and how it falls

651
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 1: and whether or not they fall under the categories that

652
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:24,800
Speaker 1: we're even talking about half the time, But we can't

653
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 1: have the conversation because it's just black people and white

654
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:32,840
Speaker 1: people and subgroups and and distinct voices that don't actually

655
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:36,280
Speaker 1: ever want to see the humanity in the other side.

656
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:40,799
Speaker 1: It's it's such a complex discussion to have, right, And

657
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 1: the part about it is right, it's like the controversy

658
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:48,239
Speaker 1: and the discussion, like we don't get that right, Like

659
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 1: they are the ones who get fragile when you want

660
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 1: to have this discussion if we want to talk about

661
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 1: black on black crime, like I always tell people black

662
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 1: people don't like black on black crime either. Like we

663
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 1: got all kinds of fraternities and sororities and church groups

664
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 1: and and teenage mentorship programs that try to stop it, right,

665
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 1: So we want to stop it too. Bro, you can't

666
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 1: go into a black church and barbershop or beauty salon

667
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:19,399
Speaker 1: without hearing somebody talk about a nigga who at ship? Right?

668
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 1: We know the ancient niggas, right, and if because it's

669
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 1: you know, white people who ain't shipped too, and white

670
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 1: people know that they got ancient white people. And if

671
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 1: only we had to worry about just the eight shient

672
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 1: white people in the ancient niggas will be a lot

673
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:37,799
Speaker 1: better off than to worry about all the white people. Yes,

674
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 1: and I love that, And frankly I would love a

675
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 1: subgroup of ain't ship niggas and a subgroup of ain't

676
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 1: ship white people to realize, hey, we're the same, we

677
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 1: ain't shipped together, and then we can we similar Similarly,

678
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:54,759
Speaker 1: the people who are ship can be like, hey, I'm

679
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 1: the ship. I don't want nothing to do with whatever

680
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,479
Speaker 1: that is, and we can separate ourselves from it. It's

681
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 1: it's the way that these subgroups have been created, in

682
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:05,839
Speaker 1: the way that they're strategically kept in place, is the

683
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:09,320
Speaker 1: most dangerous, scary part of all of it. I agree

684
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:14,320
Speaker 1: with that kind of segregation segregated city. You heard of

685
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:17,839
Speaker 1: your first folks were bringing segregation back, and this time

686
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:20,760
Speaker 1: ain't ship. Niggas are on the wrong side of the tracks.

687
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:26,360
Speaker 1: That's the deal. Ain't ain't ship but equal, and that

688
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:28,319
Speaker 1: that's a hard thing to get to, but we're gonna

689
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 1: get there. There's one more piece of research that I

690
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 1: would love to run past you because I started thinking.

691
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 1: You asked the question, I think it's an important one

692
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 1: about how do we fix this? Is there any possibility

693
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 1: for any change in all of this? And I started

694
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 1: to think, Well, the most literal attempt at fixing it

695
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 1: is through like diversity training. Right, That's what white people

696
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:54,319
Speaker 1: always turn to whenever the world is in disarray, They go,

697
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:57,800
Speaker 1: we got to train our employees to be more aware

698
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:01,280
Speaker 1: of the other colors out there that it they probably

699
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:04,760
Speaker 1: know about, but are for whatever reason, treating them differently.

700
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 1: And one of the things I read a Harvard Business

701
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 1: Review study that sort of talked about the effectiveness of

702
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 1: diversity training, and evidence show that little change or of

703
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 1: their behavior happened from white men specifically, despite an increased

704
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 1: acknowledgement of bias around them. So throughout like the six

705
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 1: months of diversity training that they went through. Nobody changed

706
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:32,399
Speaker 1: their behavior, but they all went, hey, I see that

707
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 1: this is fucked up more than I saw it was

708
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 1: fucked up beforehand. And in fact, the only group that

709
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 1: did change their behavior was women. Women tended to be

710
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:47,919
Speaker 1: a little more open to, like, uh, to experiencing other

711
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 1: groups and other people. But one of the things they

712
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 1: pointed out was it was largely junior employee women at

713
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 1: the office who were attempting to now reach out to

714
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 1: all kinds of people above them, recognizing that like, yo,

715
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 1: this world is fucked up, and I gotta get help

716
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 1: wherever I can find it, or resources wherever I can

717
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:10,840
Speaker 1: find it, because I'm naturally gonna be mistreated as a

718
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 1: woman in these positions already. I yes, when you think

719
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:18,360
Speaker 1: about it, though, right when you are in a space

720
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 1: like that, like corporate America, the people generally at the

721
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 1: top are people who are able to set set aside

722
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 1: emotion for the sake of like their savages, right, like

723
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 1: people who The best football players could play through pain, right,

724
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 1: and they'll hit the hell out of you. They don't

725
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 1: want to top of you, bro, they want to knock

726
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 1: you out. The best basketball players can pay play through paining.

727
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 1: The best bankers will steal your house from under you, Like,

728
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 1: I don't care if you ain't got got your boys.

729
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 1: I don't give if you just two days later bro

730
00:44:55,840 --> 00:45:00,200
Speaker 1: that my house, my company gets the profit, and now

731
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 1: I'm at the top of the heap. So I would

732
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 1: imagine that those are mostly men who have been First

733
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 1: of all, we are are trained to SUBVERTI feelings. Right,

734
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 1: So by the time you get to to the real world, right,

735
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 1: like you've been talking about the cry, you've been talked

736
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:22,359
Speaker 1: not to empathize with another human being, right, And so

737
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 1: that is the vacuum that allows inequality to flourish. But

738
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:29,360
Speaker 1: it's also this to the crazy thing about it. It

739
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 1: is the it's all sort of thing that allows you

740
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 1: to get ahead. Right. Yeah. I think you especially are

741
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 1: hitting something on the head with talking about capitalism, right,

742
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:42,319
Speaker 1: because at the end of the day, so much of

743
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 1: what whiteness is is cooked into capitalism, and it's part

744
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 1: of how they are able to not see the humanity

745
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:52,840
Speaker 1: in other groups. Is like, look, I'm playing the game.

746
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 1: I'm just playing the game the way the game is

747
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 1: set up to be played. I'm following the rules as

748
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 1: I know them presented to me, not acknowledging that like, hey,

749
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 1: the game might be kind of fucked up, like maybe

750
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 1: this ain't how games should be played, or certainly we

751
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 1: if we are going to play him this way, you

752
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:13,360
Speaker 1: should at least be acknowledging like that. I could, I

753
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:16,759
Speaker 1: don't know, consider the game in a different way than

754
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:19,359
Speaker 1: I've been playing it the whole time. But instead you're

755
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 1: able to treat it like a game, thus detaching yourself

756
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,759
Speaker 1: from these other groups, and subsequently, even when you're not

757
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 1: playing the game, i e. Going to work or shutting

758
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:29,840
Speaker 1: down an orphanage because you want to put up a

759
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 1: parking lot, whatever the funk it is, you then detached

760
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 1: from the humans because they effectively will make the game

761
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 1: harder for you in the future. I agree with you,

762
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 1: and going back to the study that you introduced earlier,

763
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:47,239
Speaker 1: that is why I think that appealing to humanity does

764
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:51,280
Speaker 1: not work. What you have to do it's not convinced

765
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:54,240
Speaker 1: them that the game is fucked up because it's sucked

766
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:56,840
Speaker 1: up for us. You have to appeal to them and

767
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 1: say the game is fucked up because it's funed up

768
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:03,880
Speaker 1: for you too, right, so you wouldn't have to stifle

769
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 1: all this pain to get ahead if you just allowed

770
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 1: everybody to flourish instead of boarding all of the resources

771
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 1: for yourself, just take for something like taxes. Right, so

772
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 1: white people don't want to pay a lot of people

773
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 1: don't want to Conservatives, they don't want, for instance, welfare

774
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 1: or socialized medicine because it will take their tax money.

775
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:34,239
Speaker 1: And for a lot of people trying to do you say, well,

776
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 1: this will help people. There have a lot of people said,

777
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 1: you know, look at a little Timmy coffin. What's you

778
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:42,880
Speaker 1: gonna do abou him? You can let no Timy diet,

779
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 1: Timmy die. What you do it, bro? What you do

780
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 1: is you say, look, everybody, it's gotta have healthcare. Bro,

781
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 1: your healthcare costs so much because you're paying for a

782
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:01,880
Speaker 1: little Timmy's call anyway you going to back. It's against

783
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:05,359
Speaker 1: a law of let Timmity die. So what we could

784
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:09,719
Speaker 1: do is give everybody some healthcare and instead of them

785
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:14,439
Speaker 1: gouging you because they know you got the insurance plan

786
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 1: and so they paid the little Timmy cough on yours

787
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 1: and a little bit for themselves, we just give everybody

788
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 1: something and say you gotta take what we give you,

789
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 1: and then little Timmy ain't coughing and they ain't taking

790
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 1: all of yours. But now if you want to hoard

791
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 1: the resources and let little Timmy cough, it's fucked up,

792
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:36,239
Speaker 1: not because a little Timmy cough, bro, but because they're

793
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:39,799
Speaker 1: fucking you too, right, white people. But like when you

794
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 1: have bad schools, you have high unemployment, you have high unemployment,

795
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 1: you have high crime. What do you think those people

796
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:49,880
Speaker 1: who are broke and unemployed and uneducated going to do.

797
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 1: They're gonna break your car window. And when you break

798
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 1: your car when you're gonna say, ah, the niggers. Now

799
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:59,319
Speaker 1: it's the world. It's the system that you wanted that

800
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 1: fucked up your car window. Yeah, And to that point,

801
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:07,360
Speaker 1: we could create a system where we catch little to

802
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:11,880
Speaker 1: me before he even starts coughing, which effectively saves you money.

803
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 1: It effectively keeps your car window from being broken in.

804
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:17,760
Speaker 1: It's all the things you're saying that we could stop

805
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:21,840
Speaker 1: it onto minority reports ship before we even get there,

806
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 1: but instead you're allowing it to get to the worst

807
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 1: case scenario and then hoarding resources under the presumption that

808
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:30,239
Speaker 1: a bunch of people are going to continue to be

809
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 1: sick and misbehave simply because that's just how we get

810
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:37,759
Speaker 1: down and that ain't it right? Well, I mean, we know,

811
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 1: like I'm looking at sociological visa, that crime correlates to

812
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 1: poverty more than it correl's color, more than it carlates

813
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 1: to whether you grew up in a city or rural area,

814
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 1: more than it correls to anything that correlates to poverty.

815
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:58,800
Speaker 1: So if you could just get people to stop being poor,

816
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 1: did you you decrease crime? How do you do that?

817
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 1: You got to educate them, So why are you giving

818
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 1: all the poorest people the worst education. You gotta give

819
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 1: them some better education than even if some of the

820
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 1: white kids are getting and then you have more educated people,

821
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:20,279
Speaker 1: are more education populists equals lower crime and everybody's living.

822
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:24,280
Speaker 1: But if you don't, little Timmy's carfin and they're gonna

823
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:28,399
Speaker 1: break your call with I think perfectly said, we're gonna

824
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:30,840
Speaker 1: take one more break. We'll be back with more Michael

825
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 1: Harriet and more, my mama told me, and we are bad.

826
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:51,719
Speaker 1: You got what I need. Yeah, we're back here with

827
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 1: more Michael Harriet, more of my mama told me. We're

828
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:58,799
Speaker 1: still talking about the dangers of white people in their

829
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:02,920
Speaker 1: nonsense thing no sense, and they're creating nonsense all around us,

830
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:05,800
Speaker 1: which ultimately is adding to the destruction of the world

831
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:09,920
Speaker 1: humanity as a whole. I would love for us to

832
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 1: close this bad boy out with the game. If you're

833
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 1: down for it, let's play uh, a fun game that

834
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 1: I like to call white lies ugly. You're disgusting. I'm

835
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 1: gonna kill you. Give me two white lies. This is

836
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:27,319
Speaker 1: a very fun game where I Michael will introduce to

837
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 1: you a traditional white conspiracy theory, one that white people

838
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 1: have maintained for quite a while. And I would love

839
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 1: for you to just unpack exactly why you think white

840
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 1: people are so invested in this conspiracy theory. What do

841
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:48,840
Speaker 1: you think I'm holding onto? Yeah, exactly perfect. This is

842
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:51,760
Speaker 1: a classic I think you're gonna love it. Uh. White

843
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:54,920
Speaker 1: people for a while have maintained that most people in

844
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:59,240
Speaker 1: politics are secretly lizard people. I'm sure you've heard that before,

845
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 1: that they that they're uh, they're actually like lizard alien

846
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 1: people from I guess the bottom of the earth. Sometimes

847
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:08,239
Speaker 1: I hear the bottom of the earth, sometimes I hear

848
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:11,239
Speaker 1: out of space. But there are lizard people hiding in

849
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 1: fleshy skin, and they're planning our our ultimate destruction. Despite

850
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:20,880
Speaker 1: appearing to be uh servants of you know, justice and

851
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 1: all that other stuff. My question for you is why

852
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 1: do you think white people referring to our our leaders

853
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:32,400
Speaker 1: and best as lizard people is so important to them? Okay?

854
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:34,840
Speaker 1: So I give you to answers, right, so I know

855
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:39,759
Speaker 1: they a right so perfect. The truth is that this

856
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 1: idea came from an idea that was generated, like in

857
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:49,399
Speaker 1: the early Christian Church that the people who were nobility,

858
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:55,879
Speaker 1: the clergy class, they were actually not just ordained by God, right,

859
00:52:55,960 --> 00:53:02,319
Speaker 1: but they were a different bloodline. Man, Like, like why

860
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:06,959
Speaker 1: would you peasant in France just think, oh, the guy

861
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:09,320
Speaker 1: who's leading me is going to pass it down to

862
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:12,440
Speaker 1: his son and I'm cool with that unless you thought

863
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:15,840
Speaker 1: like there was some kind of inherited bloodline that was

864
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 1: different from yours. Right. So that is an idea that

865
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:22,799
Speaker 1: is generated, that's been generating over other thousands of years. Right,

866
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:27,400
Speaker 1: And like if you're a white person in America, that

867
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 1: it seems like the only logical answers you can't get.

868
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 1: So I don't do y'all have waffle houses in l A, Right,

869
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:38,759
Speaker 1: I mean you know I'm familiar. I think we're all

870
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:42,239
Speaker 1: familiar with the waffle house. Actually, So I had this

871
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:46,000
Speaker 1: thought at Denny's the first time I had But I

872
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:48,320
Speaker 1: was in the Denny's and it was like after the club.

873
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:50,920
Speaker 1: It was like three eight m. It was like this

874
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:55,239
Speaker 1: fifty eight year old white man sweeping up in the

875
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:58,400
Speaker 1: Denny's at three eight m. And I'm thinking, what the

876
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:06,960
Speaker 1: funk happening? Like white man in the worst position. But

877
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 1: those are the people who believe in It's like the

878
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 1: people who believe in Q or nine right, Like, so

879
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:17,360
Speaker 1: we know from UM polling data and like the people

880
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 1: who are more likely to be Trump supporters are uneducated,

881
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 1: white poor people. Um. You know that's always surprises people that,

882
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 1: you know, white people, poor white people generally don't vote. Right.

883
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:34,920
Speaker 1: That's what gave this, you know, this big league because

884
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:40,440
Speaker 1: when Hillary Clinton ran against him, all the previous data says, well,

885
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 1: we don't have to worry about the poor white people.

886
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 1: And that's right. So, so poor white people just think

887
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 1: about living in a world where and this is a

888
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:54,440
Speaker 1: quote I stole from nobody, but they have convinced you

889
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:58,879
Speaker 1: that you're not a loser. You're a winner who just

890
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 1: hasn't more. And yet that's not why people thinking, right,

891
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 1: And so the reason they believe in stuff like listed

892
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:10,040
Speaker 1: people coming from out of space and putting on zipping

893
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:16,200
Speaker 1: up human skin and controlling the world. Is the only

894
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:20,880
Speaker 1: other choice a poor, uneducated white person as is to

895
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:25,080
Speaker 1: believe that he ain't did enough in his life because

896
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:28,520
Speaker 1: you are all the opportunities you have the world that

897
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:31,960
Speaker 1: is built for you, So why aren't you afraid? My

898
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:35,359
Speaker 1: mama always said, you know, I mean when you talk

899
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 1: about people with average intelligence, that means like half of

900
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:43,680
Speaker 1: the world is below average and and so. But nobody

901
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:46,360
Speaker 1: thinks they're they're dumb. Nobody thinks that they're dumb, and

902
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:49,240
Speaker 1: nobody thinks they're dress bad, and everybody thinks they're funny.

903
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:51,840
Speaker 1: That's three things that you can always invadibly count on.

904
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:55,399
Speaker 1: That's why people who make you laugh are generally more

905
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:59,799
Speaker 1: intelligent than people who are serious. And I'm not just

906
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:02,520
Speaker 1: in it because I'm I'm a comedian. That's actual, like

907
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:07,920
Speaker 1: like generally to a lot of people to write to

908
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:10,920
Speaker 1: sell my own brand. Oh you don't know, like like

909
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:15,279
Speaker 1: there are studies that shows like people in comedy have

910
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:19,359
Speaker 1: higher i Q. Hell yeah, Like I'll take it. Sure

911
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 1: it's the standardized white tests, but hell yeah, I'll own

912
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:26,399
Speaker 1: that ship, right, And it's probably yeah, because I mean

913
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 1: you think about what comedy is, like the gift of

914
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 1: birds and the ability to like kind of pull this

915
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 1: one joyous emotion out of people. You have that exercise

916
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:38,400
Speaker 1: of multi to do that. But let's go back to

917
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:40,719
Speaker 1: the visit people, right, so that things start with Dave

918
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:44,120
Speaker 1: starting to do named David Ick, who started this, uh

919
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:48,640
Speaker 1: theory that these wrorior bloodlines. It goes back to the iluminority.

920
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 1: These people came from outer space and they control the

921
00:56:56,719 --> 00:57:03,919
Speaker 1: world through the system of community cation and sometimes they

922
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:06,920
Speaker 1: you know, you might catch him with their skins off,

923
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:09,839
Speaker 1: and that was their goal, Like you don't remember when

924
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:12,640
Speaker 1: you know this is probably for your tattoo rem Alex

925
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:17,440
Speaker 1: Jones snuck into this, uh. This the growth where all

926
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 1: these this is the actual thing, right where all these

927
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:23,160
Speaker 1: rich people meet every year, like Bill Vision, powerful people,

928
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 1: and he thought he was going to catch them, like

929
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:30,720
Speaker 1: he literally thought. He thinking they're gonna be in there

930
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 1: drinking goat blood and like doing evil ship and they

931
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 1: were just being regular people, right. But the truth is

932
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:42,960
Speaker 1: it goes back to what you were talking about earlier, right,

933
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:48,840
Speaker 1: These subgroups, like victims create subgroups get easier Dan, the

934
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:54,760
Speaker 1: people who are perpetuating the oppression, right and rich people

935
00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:57,440
Speaker 1: like black people think white people sticking and the white

936
00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:00,640
Speaker 1: people don't stick together. You know, we think rich people

937
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:03,040
Speaker 1: stick together. Of these people don't stick together, right, Like,

938
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:08,000
Speaker 1: we have these unfounded notions that the only way these

939
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:12,880
Speaker 1: people can achieve what they achieve is through some collective effort,

940
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:17,360
Speaker 1: when the truth is that they have just built a system,

941
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:20,160
Speaker 1: like they don't wear no white Like if you gave

942
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 1: me the choice of reconfiguring the school system, the economic system,

943
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:32,320
Speaker 1: the banking system, having generational wealth, bro, you might think

944
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 1: I came from out of space, but I would be like,

945
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 1: like all my people would you know what I'm saying.

946
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 1: We'd have the best schools. You know, everybody would be

947
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:45,480
Speaker 1: clapping or be the laughing at the white people. It

948
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:49,520
Speaker 1: would be, you know, great potato salad at McDonald's. And

949
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:52,920
Speaker 1: people would think they must be got no some kind

950
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:56,520
Speaker 1: of magic. She all of that now, But you you

951
00:58:56,640 --> 00:58:59,520
Speaker 1: built and control a system. I think you're hitting on

952
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:03,440
Speaker 1: something that that uh certainly is resonating with me. I've

953
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:05,760
Speaker 1: been watching a ship ton of the Crown lately. I

954
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:07,800
Speaker 1: don't know if you watch the Crown at all, now

955
00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:11,000
Speaker 1: I hadn't gotten into it. Well, I I like it

956
00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:13,840
Speaker 1: because it's just proof that, uh, it's a lot of

957
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:17,640
Speaker 1: what you're saying, and and they're all scumbags and gross people,

958
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:21,720
Speaker 1: but in a very specific way that I'm I'm fascinated by.

959
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:24,200
Speaker 1: But one of the things that my wife and I

960
00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:27,320
Speaker 1: we're talking about the other day was how insane it

961
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:30,920
Speaker 1: is that people are rooting for the bloodline of a

962
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:34,560
Speaker 1: family that's held above them, right that they're literally cheering

963
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:39,400
Speaker 1: outside because this bloodline has continued of people who are

964
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:43,080
Speaker 1: going to they're basically paying taxes every year to maintain

965
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:46,760
Speaker 1: like a giant palace for them to go do stupid

966
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:49,040
Speaker 1: ship in. And one of the things that I think

967
00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:53,680
Speaker 1: you're getting to is they do legitimately think to cheer

968
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:56,920
Speaker 1: for them, you have to legitimately think that their blood

969
00:59:57,120 --> 01:00:00,400
Speaker 1: is different than yours, that they are in fact, this

970
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:05,000
Speaker 1: blessed group that deserves this sort of like celebration. And

971
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:07,520
Speaker 1: this is where you know the lizard people are slightly

972
01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:11,160
Speaker 1: different but kind of the same. Is that you can

973
01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:13,880
Speaker 1: own in America. You can only make sense of the

974
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:18,400
Speaker 1: difference that these white people have and the way they've excelled,

975
01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:21,440
Speaker 1: the way they've they've made it is to believe that

976
01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:24,160
Speaker 1: their blood is different than yours, that they're cold blooded

977
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:27,440
Speaker 1: and sort of like some sort of alien creature, because

978
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:29,439
Speaker 1: otherwise do you have to make peace with the fact

979
01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:31,960
Speaker 1: that you're just a regular white dude who didn't make

980
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:35,240
Speaker 1: it despite the math working into your favor. But the crazy,

981
01:00:35,240 --> 01:00:37,160
Speaker 1: you know what, the crazy thing about that is right,

982
01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:41,800
Speaker 1: Like that extends to us too. Right, like the people

983
01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:47,240
Speaker 1: who believe that there are lizard people who control the

984
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:51,040
Speaker 1: banking industry also believe that we have something in our

985
01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:54,520
Speaker 1: blood that makes us inferior to them. So it's not

986
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:57,560
Speaker 1: just like the lizard ship like it. It's crazy and

987
01:00:57,640 --> 01:01:00,320
Speaker 1: it don't Again, white people, ain't it sounds like white

988
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:03,320
Speaker 1: people ain't got no sense. If I told you that

989
01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:07,440
Speaker 1: there were lizard people who won't let me get alone

990
01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:10,160
Speaker 1: and that's why I can't get ahead, you would say,

991
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:15,480
Speaker 1: he ain't got no sense. But if I got mad

992
01:01:16,080 --> 01:01:20,919
Speaker 1: because a black person moved next door to me, or

993
01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:25,120
Speaker 1: my daughter bought home a black person that she was dating,

994
01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:30,000
Speaker 1: you would say, I mean that seems logical. It is

995
01:01:30,040 --> 01:01:35,480
Speaker 1: the same and sad. Right, it literally doesn't make any sense. Right,

996
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:39,479
Speaker 1: It is as crazy as lizard people with zip up skin.

997
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:45,840
Speaker 1: But we've accepted one and don't like both of us

998
01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:48,960
Speaker 1: have accepted the other. Like you have to correct black

999
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:52,080
Speaker 1: people all the time to like, you know, you I'll

1000
01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:54,760
Speaker 1: see black peoples like white people do this with their

1001
01:01:54,840 --> 01:01:57,480
Speaker 1: money or white people, you know, they keep their kids

1002
01:01:57,480 --> 01:01:59,280
Speaker 1: how to speak before me, I was just correcting somebody

1003
01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:01,320
Speaker 1: the other day on too white people tach take kids

1004
01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:04,280
Speaker 1: how to speak for Linkol and they actually black people

1005
01:02:04,600 --> 01:02:07,720
Speaker 1: are more likely to speak a foreign language than white people.

1006
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:11,040
Speaker 1: Like it's just this thing that we believe because like

1007
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:17,040
Speaker 1: they get better schools and and like white people get

1008
01:02:17,040 --> 01:02:19,080
Speaker 1: to keep theble and like do this with they they

1009
01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:25,200
Speaker 1: got extra money because it is generational, right, it's intergenerational.

1010
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:29,160
Speaker 1: They have the better schools, they have the better platforms.

1011
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:32,040
Speaker 1: They have it is and it is not that they

1012
01:02:32,120 --> 01:02:36,480
Speaker 1: don't work for that money. It is that they have

1013
01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:41,160
Speaker 1: placed barriers in front of us so that if we

1014
01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:43,800
Speaker 1: put forth the same effort as a medeo a white man,

1015
01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:46,480
Speaker 1: we're gonna be poor and that white boy are gonna

1016
01:02:46,520 --> 01:02:49,400
Speaker 1: be okay. Yeah, And I love what you're saying, and

1017
01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:52,200
Speaker 1: I think it's the almost the perfect note for us

1018
01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:56,040
Speaker 1: to end on is that this is truly about maintaining

1019
01:02:56,600 --> 01:03:00,920
Speaker 1: a type of a functionality in their own world. That

1020
01:03:01,480 --> 01:03:04,320
Speaker 1: to your point, they ain't got no sense, and they

1021
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:06,800
Speaker 1: know they ain't got no sense. But the only way

1022
01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:09,440
Speaker 1: that you can keep thriving in a situation where you

1023
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:12,360
Speaker 1: ain't got no sense is to make all of it nonsense.

1024
01:03:12,520 --> 01:03:16,120
Speaker 1: Is to make all of it completely nonsensical for everybody

1025
01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:18,480
Speaker 1: around you, and then trick a bunch of people who

1026
01:03:18,560 --> 01:03:22,360
Speaker 1: do or potentially could have sense into not having sense

1027
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:27,040
Speaker 1: with you. It is all insanity. Nothing makes sense, and

1028
01:03:27,080 --> 01:03:30,040
Speaker 1: so you might as well act like they do. Right, Yeah,

1029
01:03:30,040 --> 01:03:34,120
Speaker 1: it makes sense and racism exactly. I love it, Michael.

1030
01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:36,439
Speaker 1: I think we did it. I think we nailed this

1031
01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:38,880
Speaker 1: is this is great. This was super cool. Could you

1032
01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:41,560
Speaker 1: tell the people at home where they can find you,

1033
01:03:41,600 --> 01:03:44,080
Speaker 1: what cool stuff you have going on? Any of that? So?

1034
01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:47,160
Speaker 1: I have a book coming out in the fall called

1035
01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:50,720
Speaker 1: Black a F. History. It is blackest History of the

1036
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:54,800
Speaker 1: United States, and I write every day for the voots

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Speaker 1: dot com. You can find me on Twitter, Instagram and

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01:03:57,520 --> 01:04:02,160
Speaker 1: everywhere else at h H A R R. I ot

1039
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Speaker 1: to ours win t tell Yeah, so follow him, go

1040
01:04:06,320 --> 01:04:09,720
Speaker 1: check out that book, Black A F History. It's gonna

1041
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:13,160
Speaker 1: be dope. And as always, you can follow me at

1042
01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:16,480
Speaker 1: Lengthston Kerman and you can please if you want, send

1043
01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:20,360
Speaker 1: us drops, send us ideas, send us conspiracy theories, send

1044
01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:23,520
Speaker 1: us corrections at my Mama pod at gmail dot com.

1045
01:04:23,840 --> 01:04:31,640
Speaker 1: I would love to hear from you and uh by

1046
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:46,040
Speaker 1: my crop chips in your qualibars are racists? Money stuff

1047
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Speaker 1: you can't tell me