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Speaker 1: There Are No Girls on the Internet. As a production

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Speaker 1: of iHeartRadio and Unbossed Creative. I'm Bridget Todd, and this

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Speaker 1: is there Are No Girls on the Internet. Here we go,

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Speaker 1: War of the World.

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Speaker 2: Those are the opening lines of the movie. I feel

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Speaker 2: like I'm talking with ice.

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Speaker 1: Cube producer Mike. You said that if at least three

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Speaker 1: people signed off on it, we could do an episode

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Speaker 1: recapping the new movie on Amazon Prime War of the World.

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Speaker 1: Three people wrote in We're doing it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know if they were genuinely wanting to

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Speaker 2: hear this or just trolling me, but either way, we

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Speaker 2: watched it and here we are, and I hope they

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Speaker 2: enjoy listening to us talk about it.

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Speaker 1: So usually in a movie recap episode, I usually will

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Speaker 1: warn that there's going to be spoilers. To be clear,

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Speaker 1: I am going to tell you what happens in the

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Speaker 1: movie War of the World in this podcast, but I'm

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Speaker 1: not calling it a spoiler because you are not going

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Speaker 1: to watch this movie if you have not already watched it.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that you should watch this movie. Something

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Speaker 1: about our conversation may make you curious, like morbidly curious.

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Speaker 1: What could this movie really be that bad. I'm telling

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Speaker 1: you it's not worth it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not worth it. Don't do it. Don't be

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Speaker 2: like us.

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Speaker 1: A listener wrote us a very compelling email, basically saying

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Speaker 1: the movie. You should recap the movie not because it's

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Speaker 1: a good movie, which it's not, but because it's a

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Speaker 1: basically one long advertisement for Amazon and one long love

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Speaker 1: letter to big tech surveillance, which it absolutely is. But

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Speaker 1: it is just a bad movie. When I said that

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Speaker 1: I wanted to review it and that I was curious

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Speaker 1: about how bad it was going to be, I was

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Speaker 1: assuming that it was going to be a so bad

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Speaker 1: it's good kind of bad movie, like a fun, stupid

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Speaker 1: bad movie in the vein of a snake's on a

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Speaker 1: plane or a shark Nado or a hot tub time machine.

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Speaker 1: More of the World is trying to be a real movie.

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Speaker 1: It's trying to be a movie with something important to say,

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Speaker 1: like capital SQ, capital I, capital s. But that important

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Speaker 1: thing that it's trying to say is something that's really

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Speaker 1: stupid and also really muddled. A good bad movie is

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Speaker 1: a movie that knows that it's stupid, is in on

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Speaker 1: the joke. More of the worlds of the movie that

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Speaker 1: thinks it's smart, but is stupider than the universe of

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Speaker 1: the film even has the capacity to really realize and

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Speaker 1: grapple with It.

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Speaker 2: Takes itself seriously, which feels bizarre given the events that

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Speaker 2: are sort of unfolding, and also feels really discordant with

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Speaker 2: ice Cube, who is a legitimate, good actor, but he

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Speaker 2: really brings a lot of like gravitas and seriousness, you know,

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Speaker 2: I feel in most of his roles, you get the

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Speaker 2: sense that he is a man who has things to

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Speaker 2: do and he's not here to fool around. And it

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Speaker 2: just feels completely out of step with the nonsense of

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Speaker 2: this movie.

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Speaker 1: It's truly when we watched this movie, we stopped it

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Speaker 1: and we were like, I'm not even sure how we

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Speaker 1: are going to make a compelling podcast episode about us

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Speaker 1: talking about it, because not only isn't a bad movie,

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Speaker 1: I do think that it really stretches what the definition

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Speaker 1: I'm not even sure it's fair to really call it

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Speaker 1: a movie, if that makes sense, Yeah, like.

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Speaker 2: Maybe that's its enduring legacy. It has me questioning, like, well,

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Speaker 2: what does what is a movie? You know? Like it

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Speaker 2: was ninety minutes of video footage. There was a plot,

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Speaker 2: and yet somehow it doesn't feel like a movie still.

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Speaker 1: You know that thing where I might be horribly misrepresenting

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Speaker 1: this since I apologize in advance, but where movie companies

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Speaker 1: and movie producers will intentionally fast track a bad movie

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Speaker 1: that is meant to bomb, and sometimes they market it overseas,

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Speaker 1: and it usually will have an aging famous actor like

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Speaker 1: a Bruce Willis in it or something like that, and

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Speaker 1: the whole whole thing is just done as some kind

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Speaker 1: of a financial scam or an investment scam of some kind.

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Speaker 1: That's the what I mean. I actually did some digging

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Speaker 1: movie had to be some kind of a tax scam,

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Speaker 1: investment scam. That was the feeling that I that I

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Speaker 1: for a math to math on how this movie came

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Speaker 1: to be. I don't know if it's me as the

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Speaker 1: viewer or what, but somebody's getting scammed here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, somebody's getting scammed. I totally agree it's some kind

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Speaker 2: you know, I'm a tortured creative visionary and I have

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Speaker 2: how this movie came to be. I don't know exactly

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Speaker 2: how it started, but it's definitely some kind of scam.

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Speaker 1: So we really are hoping that we can capture the

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Speaker 1: experience of what watching this movie was like, so that

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Speaker 1: y'all listening at home do not have to And I

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Speaker 1: will say that the amount of people who are sharing

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Speaker 1: the experience of what watching this movie is like, it's

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Speaker 1: almost sort of historic because the film is historic and

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Speaker 1: the amount of hate that it's gotten. It has Letterbox's

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Speaker 1: second lowest rating review ever recorded, and for a time

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Speaker 1: it had a zero percent on Rotten Tomatoes, which was

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Speaker 1: initially what drew like, what caught my attention to this movie.

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Speaker 1: It did get one contrarian kind of positive ish review,

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Speaker 1: which bumped it up to a whopping three percent on

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Speaker 1: Rotten Tomatoes. To give you a sense, only thirty nine

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Speaker 2: That's a shockingly small number considering how many movies get

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Speaker 2: made every single year. Do you have a list of

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Speaker 2: what those thirty nine movies were?

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Speaker 1: I do a few notable entries Police Academy four. Have

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Speaker 2: I have, and I remember kind of liking it as

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Speaker 2: a child, but also recognizing that it was very bad

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Speaker 1: Another one is Problem Child. I might have actually even

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Speaker 2: I think in my household, my mom was like anti

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's about a problem child. It's pretty,

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Speaker 1: it's pretty. The ticular particular child is a problem child. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: your mom's not wrong. Another one is Look Who's Talking Now,

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Speaker 2: You know it's gonna be a good movie when you've

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Speaker 1: The Garbage Pale Kids movie, which is a movie that

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Speaker 1: I remember most about this movie, the one gag that

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's it's like, is it seat?

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Speaker 2: How are you struggling with this question?

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Speaker 1: Because I mean, what does that mean in like the eighties, right,

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Speaker 1: They're like, it includes human actors, and I guess puppets.

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Speaker 1: That was kind of the thing in the eighties, you

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Speaker 2: You're kind of making me want to watch this movie.

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Speaker 1: Well, if that's gonna be our next rewatch, we're just

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Speaker 1: gonna do bad movie recaps.

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Speaker 2: It's gonna watch garbage over and over. Let's move on.

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Speaker 1: So all of this hate toward War of the World

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Speaker 1: its way into success because it is by far one

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Speaker 1: of the most streamed original movies on Amazon Streaming Mike.

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Speaker 1: When you and I watched it, it was at number

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Speaker 2: Left this is like the downfall of society that we

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Speaker 1: I mean, I do think there's kind of a collective

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Speaker 1: you know, one of those movies that's so bad it's

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Speaker 1: good in the vein of like a show Girls, which

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Speaker 1: I'm not somebody who is not down for a bad movie,

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Speaker 1: but I don't think that War of the World's really

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Speaker 1: is just a really bad movie. When we were watching it,

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Speaker 1: multiple times I wrote in all caps, wow, what a

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Speaker 1: when a movie is totally shown through screens and text

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Speaker 1: messages and FaceTime calls. They described it as quote having

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Speaker 1: Oh. In this universe, ice Cube is the guy behind

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Speaker 1: This whole thing is being overseen by ice Cube. Folks

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Speaker 1: So ice Cube takes a quick break from his unimaginably

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Speaker 1: Why would I want to do that? Ice Cube is like,

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Speaker 1: think that ice Cube and his wife were divorced or

435
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,880
Speaker 1: if she if he's widowed and she died, I will

436
00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:21,280
Speaker 1: say this, I wrote this down. If if they were divorced,

437
00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:23,960
Speaker 1: he is what one hundred percent spying on her using

438
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:28,000
Speaker 1: government surveillance tools, no question about that. However, it turns

439
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:29,640
Speaker 1: out he is actually a widow.

440
00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:32,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's potentially trying to spy on her from

441
00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:36,719
Speaker 2: beyond the grave because he has no qualms about using

442
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:39,280
Speaker 2: any of these tools just to like see what his

443
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:42,880
Speaker 2: kids are up to intervene in their lives in little ways,

444
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:45,320
Speaker 2: no big deal. And also he's like doing this while

445
00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 2: he's on the clock at work with his super important

446
00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:51,040
Speaker 2: job of protecting America and one other thing that he

447
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:54,280
Speaker 2: does after he you know, sees his son playing this

448
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:58,640
Speaker 2: video game through illegal surveillance and then remotely deletes the game.

449
00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:01,320
Speaker 2: I think while the son is playing it, he gets

450
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:04,720
Speaker 2: off the phone and he hits a big red novelty

451
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:09,280
Speaker 2: button that says that was easy, like those old Staples commercials,

452
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 2: And he hits that a couple more times throughout the

453
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 2: first half of the movie. I think it's supposed to

454
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:19,680
Speaker 2: be his personality, like a little quirk he does around

455
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:22,920
Speaker 2: the office for his own amusement since like nobody else

456
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,880
Speaker 2: is there. But he does it like several times, and

457
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:31,080
Speaker 2: I can just picture like it's like something a low

458
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:34,800
Speaker 2: budget version of Michael Scott might think it's funny. Uh,

459
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:37,240
Speaker 2: it's extremely sad. And I'm not sure if it was

460
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:39,720
Speaker 2: meant to be sad or meant to be funny, or

461
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:42,119
Speaker 2: if Staples paid for this marketing. I don't know if

462
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:43,040
Speaker 2: they even still use that.

463
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:46,439
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Mike, so I'm so love that you

464
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:48,640
Speaker 1: brought this up. I wrote down the same thing. They

465
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,119
Speaker 1: actually talk about this in this hilarious piece for The

466
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:54,480
Speaker 1: Ringer called the twenty one worst Things about the worst

467
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:56,880
Speaker 1: movie of the year, War of the World. So ice

468
00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,480
Speaker 1: Cube is it's I can hit. I can answer the

469
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:01,680
Speaker 1: question of whether or not Staples paid for this. They

470
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 1: did not, because Staples had the easy button, and this

471
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:09,679
Speaker 1: is like a clear knockoff, so it's a knockoff that

472
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,960
Speaker 1: was easy button. The piece reads ice Cube hits the

473
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:16,240
Speaker 1: knockoff that was easy button three times in the first

474
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:19,479
Speaker 1: twelve minutes, and then completely forgets it exists. It doesn't

475
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 1: say easy on the button like it should. It just

476
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:25,160
Speaker 1: says the word push, like a bootleg version you'd find

477
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 1: and a dollar store toy ale. I was initially pissed

478
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 1: because they used the button at all, let alone a

479
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:33,360
Speaker 1: knockoff one. It was an easy jump to irate when

480
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:36,639
Speaker 1: they button matched it three times early and never again,

481
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 1: why use it at all? It should go down in

482
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,960
Speaker 1: history as the worst use of the that was easy

483
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:46,480
Speaker 1: button gag in cinema history. What a weird thing. He

484
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 1: doesn't he hits it three times within the first twelve minutes,

485
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,639
Speaker 1: and then it's just abandoned. They never returned to it.

486
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 2: Your guess is as good as mine. My hypothesis is

487
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:59,359
Speaker 2: that they were trying to use it to establish his

488
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:03,560
Speaker 2: personal He is like a wild and zady guy around

489
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 2: the office. I guess.

490
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:09,439
Speaker 1: Okay, So ice Cube's daughter Faith is dating Mark, an

491
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 1: Amazon delivery driver. This's a great time to remind everybody

492
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,919
Speaker 1: that Amazon is a wonderful company. Get used to that,

493
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 1: because Amazon is mentioned by name about one hundred more

494
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:23,400
Speaker 1: times in this movie. Ice Cube initiates a conversation with Mark,

495
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 1: and Mark spills the beans about a baby shower that

496
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:30,119
Speaker 1: they're planning that ice Cube wasn't invited to, and he

497
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,119
Speaker 1: becomes very sad, but honestly, dude, like, maybe this is

498
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 1: what happens when you surveil your family twenty four to

499
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 1: seven through kind of illegal means and show constantly just

500
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 1: how a little trust you have in any of them.

501
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:47,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, his family relationship seems strained to say the least, which, yeah,

502
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:50,159
Speaker 2: not surprising his daughter doesn't want him at the baby shower,

503
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 2: but also ouch, that must have really hurt him. One

504
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 2: thing that I do like about Mark is that he

505
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 2: holds up a Grandpa Shark t shirt that has ice

506
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 2: Cube's face on top of the baby Shark, which I

507
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 2: don't know, maybe this is basic, but I've actually felt

508
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,200
Speaker 2: that kind of funny, and I think this movie really

509
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 2: could have used a few more dumb little jokes like that.

510
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 1: So I actually do think there is a good bad

511
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:16,640
Speaker 1: movie hiding deep, deep, deep into the nucleus of this

512
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:22,639
Speaker 1: bad bad movie. They clearly set his daughter's boyfriend Mark

513
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,880
Speaker 1: up to sort of be oh goofy, good natured white

514
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 1: guy boyfriend who is the comic relief of the film.

515
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,919
Speaker 1: There's even a little ending credit scene that's supposed to

516
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 1: be funny of ice Cube catching Mark dancing when he

517
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 1: thinks he's alone in his Amazon delivery truck. Right, So,

518
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,919
Speaker 1: there are all these little moments in the movie where

519
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:43,359
Speaker 1: they might work for a different movie, but it's not

520
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:46,400
Speaker 1: clear how they fit into a movie that is so serious.

521
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 1: As the one that they're sort of going for. I

522
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 1: genuinely do think a few punch ups and this could

523
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 1: have been like a good bad movie, not just a

524
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:56,119
Speaker 1: bad bad movie.

525
00:27:56,680 --> 00:28:00,959
Speaker 2: That's your opinion. I'm still not convinced they could have helped.

526
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 2: They could have helped anyway.

527
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 1: Ice Cube types out a message to his daughter Faith

528
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 1: about being not invited to this baby shower that's actually

529
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 1: pretty honest and heartfelt. It's like, why didn't you want

530
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 1: me at your baby shower? But then he thinks better

531
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:15,640
Speaker 1: of it and it says no, no, no, no, deletes it

532
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 1: and decides instead to take remote access of her computer

533
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:23,159
Speaker 1: instead to read the private messages she is sending to

534
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 1: her boyfriend about the baby shower, which honestly might explain

535
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,439
Speaker 1: why he wasn't invited in the first place. Yeah, you

536
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:34,679
Speaker 1: think this scene is so confusing because I watched it

537
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 1: several times. I still don't know. It could be. I

538
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 1: don't know if ice Cube is typing as the daughter

539
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 1: with remote access through her computer, or if he's just

540
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 1: reading the text that the daughter and the boyfriend are

541
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 1: sending back and forth. We watched this a few times,

542
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 1: and the movie does not make it clear to me.

543
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 2: In my opinion, Yeah, I still am not sure. I

544
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 2: think we sorted it out that he was just reading them,

545
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 2: texting back and forth. At first I thought he was

546
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 2: spoofing Mark and writing to his daughter as if he

547
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 2: was her. It was confusing because it's just text in

548
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 2: a text field, and so you don't see anybody's fingers,

549
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 2: you don't see anybody's face, could be anybody writing these words.

550
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 1: There are a few points like that in the movie

551
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 1: that almost I don't even know if red Herring is

552
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 1: the right way to describe them, where it's so unclear

553
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 1: what's happening. You think it's a plot point, and then

554
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 1: you realize it's just sloppy filmmaking. Does that make sense?

555
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 2: It does, Yeah, that does come up several times. There's

556
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 2: quite a few spots that we'll get into where it's

557
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 2: just not entirely clear what's happening. But also I at

558
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 2: those moments, I was like, well, it doesn't really even matter, Like,

559
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 2: let's just keep going. It's gonna be aliens, aliens blowing up.

560
00:29:56,160 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 1: Don't overthink it. That's again I'm telling this to you,

561
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 1: producer Mike, but also to you the listener. Don't overthink

562
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 1: any of this underthinking if anything. So Mark logs onto

563
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 1: Facebook and it has revealed that his wife has died

564
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 1: and he's still playing voice messages that she left for

565
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 1: him on Facebook Messenger and like messaging her on Facebook Messenger,

566
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 1: which is genuinely like sad.

567
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's probably one of the more like touching emotional

568
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 2: moments of the movie where you see him feeling something

569
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 2: and you understand and can relate to that feeling.

570
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 1: But no time for those feelings about your dead wife,

571
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 1: because the search warrant comes in for the disruptor, his nemesis,

572
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 1: and a special agent is about to bust him. But

573
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 1: as she goes in to bust him, uh oh, it's

574
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 1: a decoy. So ice Cube is watching special forces move in.

575
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 1: They're armed to the teeth, they're wearing tactical gear to

576
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 1: arrest this hacker as if they think he might be

577
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 1: armed with a sandwich or something, and ice Cube is

578
00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:00,040
Speaker 1: basically watching this failed raid in real time. When the

579
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 1: meteors start hitting the Earth, then we get some very

580
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 1: low budget, very janky looking footage of meteors hitting places

581
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 1: in countries all around the world. It's one of those

582
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 1: scenes where it's France and there's an Eiffel Tower with

583
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 1: a guy in a striped shirt riding a bicycle with

584
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 1: a baguet and like that's being hit by a meteor.

585
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 1: There genuinely is a very specific episode of Rick and

586
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 1: Morty that this almost seems shot for shots styled after.

587
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 2: And I appreciate it because it's like, Oh, I recognize

588
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 2: this little montage. They're showing things happening around the world.

589
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 1: I get it.

590
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 2: It feels like a movie.

591
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, it feels like a movie. So DHS and the

592
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 1: FBI and the White House and everybody, they all have

593
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 1: a big meeting on teams and shit is bad. I

594
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 1: will say one of my favorite bits of the movie

595
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 1: happens here, which is that the Secretary of Defense in

596
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 1: all of these video meetings about a literal attack on Earth.

597
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 1: In all of these video meetings, the Department of Defense

598
00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 1: head is actively playing golf and smoking us I'm a

599
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 1: golf course when all of these meetings take place. He

600
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 1: is only ever shown golfing throughout this entire movie. I'm

601
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 1: not kidding. There is one seat at the very very

602
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 1: very end of the movie where everything's okay in the

603
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 1: end and he's like in a car, but the Secretary

604
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,959
Speaker 1: of Defense literally never leaves the golf course during the

605
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 1: entire duration of this attack on the earth in this movie, which,

606
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 1: to be honest, I kind of respect, like, you know,

607
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 1: if we're all gonna go out, I'm gonna go out

608
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 1: working on my score.

609
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, I love that detail. That's I think that's

610
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 2: one of those like funny good movies hiding in a

611
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 2: bad movie details that you mentioned, because that's that's some

612
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 2: funny stuff, you know, I and I. But the strange

613
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 2: thing is, like I didn't even clock that when we

614
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 2: were watching it. It wasn't until afterwards when you told

615
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 2: me about that. It's like, oh, you're right, he was

616
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 2: always on golf courses. But that was a good detail.

617
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 2: I wish it had stood out a little bit more

618
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 2: to me.

619
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. Same, Okay. So they're this big meeting about what's

620
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 1: going on and then oh no, it's an alien, it's big,

621
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 1: it's metal, it's got tenables and they're calling them tripods.

622
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 1: So ice Cube's son calls him and says, Dad, I

623
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 1: have important information about what's going on to tell you,

624
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 1: and ice Cub is like not. Now. This is one

625
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 1: of my all time least favorite cliches in movies when

626
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 1: someone tells someone else they've got important information and that

627
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 1: person is like, I can't, I can't not now, I'm

628
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 1: too busy. In the time that they do this back

629
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 1: and forth of Dad listen and he's like, no, I'm

630
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 1: too busy. The son could have spit could have surely

631
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 1: spit out whatever information it was if he wanted to say.

632
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 2: It's a pretty extended back and forth with a son

633
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 2: really wants to give him this information but seemingly is

634
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 2: incapable of just saying it. He needs to like receive

635
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 2: permission to share it conversationally first. It's pretty drawn out.

636
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 1: I gotta say, ice Cube really does not have a

637
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 1: ton of range in this movie. As we said, he

638
00:33:57,480 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 1: is a good actor, like if you've seen Boys and

639
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 1: the Hood or Friday. He genuinely is a good actor

640
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 1: with range, but he's not really given in his a

641
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 1: game here. I don't know if this is true or not,

642
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 1: but I've read that because this movie was filmed in

643
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 1: twenty twenty, ice Cube filmed all of his scenes by

644
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 1: himself in his house before anybody else had even started filming,

645
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 1: so he's not really responding to anyone else's energy or

646
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 1: voice or acting in this movie. He's just literally reading

647
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 1: lines in his house, which makes when I found that

648
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,360
Speaker 1: out that it made so much more sense for the

649
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 1: movie because a lot of this movie is ice Cube

650
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 1: just saying damn, wow, that's crazy, and the movie is

651
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 1: just ninety percent him giving those kinds of vocal reactions

652
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 1: to what is happening on a computer screen.

653
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Speaker 2: Sometimes I feel those are the reactions that I give

654
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 2: you on this show. But damn, wow, that's crazy.

655
00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:02,360
Speaker 1: I mean, value your contributions to this podcast.

656
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 2: Damn that's crazy.

657
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 1: Okay, So aliens are knocking out the communication systems, military outposts,

658
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:14,760
Speaker 1: power grids and they were causing all the storms.

659
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 2: Uh, and then ice cubes WhatsApp account blows up. It

660
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 2: kind of seems like maybe a top secret surveillance guy

661
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 2: wouldn't be using what'sapp so much. What do I know?

662
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 1: We actually have an upcoming episode about why What's app

663
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:32,360
Speaker 1: is not the most super secure messaging service. In reality,

664
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Speaker 1: he would be using Signal.

665
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 2: No, well, yeah, he'd be using Signal because he works

666
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 2: at Hegset's DoD where they just use third party unsecure apps,

667
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 2: So he probably would be using Signal if he was

668
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:50,280
Speaker 2: actually following secure protocol, he would be using internally built

669
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 2: tools that are actually secure.

670
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Speaker 1: Aliens are attacking and there's chaos on the streets. Faith

671
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 1: ice Cube's daughter. Unfortunately, it gets hit by helicopter and

672
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 1: takes a metal blade right through the sigh. This injures her.

673
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 1: Oh no, the DHS building where ice Cube works at

674
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:10,839
Speaker 1: is on lockdown, so we cannot get out to save her.

675
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 1: And oh no, one of the aliens is nearby chasing

676
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:18,879
Speaker 1: his daughter. Luckily, ice Cube is able to hack into

677
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 1: a nearby tesla so that she can get in, and

678
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 1: he hacks it so that he can drive it remotely

679
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 1: to drive Faith to safety.

680
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I just want to back up to he's

681
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 2: like one of the most important people in the US

682
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 2: intelligence community. The United States is being attacked by aliens.

683
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 2: They're like destroying cities, and he spends like his first moves,

684
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 2: his first ten to fifteen minutes, like talking with his kid, Like,

685
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 2: I don't think that's how it's supposed to go.

686
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 1: No, he's a dead first mike. So while his daughter

687
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 1: is essentially bleeding out in this tesla escaping an alien attack,

688
00:36:58,280 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 1: ice Cube is like, you know, this would be a

689
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,760
Speaker 1: time to bring up my hurt feelings about that baby

690
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,879
Speaker 1: shower snub from earlier, so he's like, hey, I get

691
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:07,879
Speaker 1: that you didn't want me at your baby shower. What's

692
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 1: up with that? Faith lays some truth on up. She says,

693
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 1: you think you have so much more power than you do.

694
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 1: You think you have the power to keep the world safe,

695
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 1: and you don't. You have to let go. I'm not

696
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:21,399
Speaker 1: a kid anymore, which is pretty eloquent for someone who

697
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 1: is bleeding out in the back of a tesla.

698
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, and also like not really addressing his concern and

699
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 2: also also his like bringing this up now while she's

700
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 2: like bleeding and aliens are attacking. I don't know.

701
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:36,839
Speaker 4: It seems like there's bigger stuff going on, but maybe

702
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 4: we had for him weird timing.

703
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 1: Weird timing. So one thing to note in this movie

704
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 1: is that ice Cube is constantly commandeering drones around the

705
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 1: city for his own personal use, and that doing that

706
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 1: is literally is just as easy as right clicking on

707
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:55,240
Speaker 1: a drop down menu that literally says common deer drone

708
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 1: question mark. Like in this universe, you basically just have

709
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 1: to write, click on something or ask what I think

710
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 1: is meant to be? Like an AI a chatbot ask

711
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 1: it to do things like release top secret government information please,

712
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 1: and that is all the hacking that is necessary in

713
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:12,800
Speaker 1: this universe.

714
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's all. All of his hacking is done through

715
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,839
Speaker 2: like drop down menus and features that are built into

716
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 2: the software that I guess his engineering team built for him.

717
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,799
Speaker 2: So it's not really clear what his like skill set is,

718
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,840
Speaker 2: but he definitely does commandeer a lot of drones. Another

719
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 2: fun fact about DC, there are zero drones in the sky. None,

720
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 2: none like that.

721
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 1: Well unless they're so that's not technically true because there was.

722
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 1: They are allowed to have government like the civilians are

723
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 1: not allowed to fly drones in DC.

724
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 2: That's true. Yeah, so like the government can have some

725
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 2: drones in DC, but civilians can't. It's illegal, and they're

726
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:55,320
Speaker 2: just like there aren't any because this place has surveiled

727
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 2: pretty heavily. And like some of these drones that he's commandeering,

728
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 2: then these presumably government drooms I guess, are armed, Like

729
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 2: at some point later in the movie, he commandeers a

730
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:08,879
Speaker 2: Reaper drone that is armed with missiles. And that's just

731
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:13,279
Speaker 2: it's just slide around DC presumable I guess, not on

732
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 2: any sort of important mission, just like killing time, waiting

733
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Speaker 2: for somebody to commandeer it.

734
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Speaker 1: And not only that, the process of commandeering these armed

735
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 1: drones is just a drop down menu. This commander armed

736
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 1: drone questioned, Mark, okay, shoot shoot from armed drone.

737
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 2: Gotcha, We'll do yeah, zero latency, nothing, just selected from

738
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:38,360
Speaker 2: the drop down and boom you you now have the drone.

739
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:41,319
Speaker 1: So Icekee was able to commandeer a drone to track

740
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:44,400
Speaker 1: down Faith's Amazon delivery driver boyfriend, who is really just

741
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:46,280
Speaker 1: one of doing his own thing. He's just driving around

742
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 1: the city in this Amazon delivery truck even though aliens

743
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 1: are attacking the city, and he has Mark go to

744
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:56,440
Speaker 1: Faith to help her with her wounded leg. So then

745
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 1: we get confirmation that the Meteors were intentionally crashed into

746
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 1: hundreds of satellites on Earth and that military assets worldwide

747
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:05,759
Speaker 1: are going to strike back. The President of the United

748
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 1: States says, I have no choice but to initiate this

749
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 1: war of the worlds to save us all. And hey,

750
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:13,360
Speaker 1: isn't that the name of the movie that we're watching.

751
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 1: Get used to that, because they're gonna say explicitly war

752
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 1: of the world no less than five more times in

753
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:21,839
Speaker 1: the run time of ninety minutes of this movie. I'm

754
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:22,320
Speaker 1: not kidding.

755
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 2: Otherwise, how were people gonna know what movie this is?

756
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 2: They might have forgotten, their brains might have melted.

757
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:32,279
Speaker 1: They're kind of trying to do an Independence Day thing here,

758
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 1: which I know is one of your You love that movie.

759
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a great movie. Everybody loves that movie. What

760
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:38,840
Speaker 2: are you talking about?

761
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 1: One of my favorite things about you is that I

762
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 1: don't remember how that came up. I was like, Oh,

763
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 1: if you like, wouldn't it be so cool to be

764
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 1: Will Smith and the movie Independence Day. You know, you're

765
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:51,800
Speaker 1: punching aliens and saying welcome to Earth and save in

766
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 1: the day. And you said, I would hear to be

767
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 1: Bill Paxton, the president who rolls up his sleeves and

768
00:40:57,840 --> 00:40:59,280
Speaker 1: makes a rousing speech.

769
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 2: That's not exactly how it went down.

770
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 1: Well, that's what you said.

771
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:08,360
Speaker 2: I think that it's a very rousing speech. He rallies

772
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 2: all of humanity to this collective defense. He gets people

773
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:15,320
Speaker 2: to put aside their differences and confront these aliens based

774
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 2: on the power of his rhetoric. I think that's meaningful.

775
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:22,840
Speaker 1: This will be our Independence Day.

776
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 3: Let's take a quick break at our back.

777
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 1: In an Independence day that get hits and what they're

778
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 1: trying to do works in that movie you know You've

779
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 1: got Will Smith's punching aliens. Bill Paxton making a big

780
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,760
Speaker 1: speech when the military takes out one of the alien

781
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 1: tripods in this movie, ICEQB yells, take your intergalactic gases

782
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 1: back home, like it's clear what they're going for, but

783
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 1: it's just not working. It's just bad. So the military

784
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:04,879
Speaker 1: is not successful in their attack against the tripods, and

785
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 1: then ice CEB has the realization that the tripods are

786
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:13,359
Speaker 1: all targeting government data centers. His son calls him one

787
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 1: more time and says, Dad, listen to me. I have

788
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 1: information needed to hear. This is Goliath, that surveillance tracking

789
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:23,399
Speaker 1: network that the Disruptor was trying to unveil. Ice CEB

790
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 1: is like, boo, shut up, that's a conspiracy because if

791
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 1: there was really a government secret tracking program called Goliath,

792
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:33,760
Speaker 1: I would know about it because I work for the government.

793
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 2: A funny thing about this entire movie, like the way

794
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 2: that it plays out on ice Cube's computer monitor, is

795
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:42,439
Speaker 2: that everyone he's talking to is doing video calls with him.

796
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:45,240
Speaker 2: So even in this scene, his son is like literally

797
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:48,800
Speaker 2: running for his life from murderous aliens, but also taking

798
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:51,360
Speaker 2: care to keep his face well framed in the shot.

799
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:55,280
Speaker 1: It makes no sense. Also, sure you might have zoom

800
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:58,839
Speaker 1: calls at work, but everybody that he talks to in

801
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 1: this universe is facetiming him. I would be so confused

802
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 1: if a co worker of mine needed to get in

803
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:08,359
Speaker 1: touch with me and they facetimed me. I find that

804
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 1: to be so weird, even when you're not running from

805
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 1: murderous aliens. I find that to be weird.

806
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think you might be a little at

807
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:19,399
Speaker 2: the extreme of like hating it. Uh. You know, when

808
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 2: I used to work in an office, it was not

809
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 2: totally unusual for co workers to just do a video

810
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 2: chat when we were all remote. But that's when I'm

811
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 2: like sitting at my desk and I've got my you know,

812
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 2: camera right there. If I was running from aliens, I

813
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 2: would probably be pretty focused on that. That would be

814
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:36,320
Speaker 2: like the main thing I was doing.

815
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 1: I kept screaming, stop face timing and just call him

816
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 1: because you have to run, Like, don't you don't need

817
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 1: like you can't run and hold up your phone to

818
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:49,280
Speaker 1: your face. You're fleeing for your life. What are you doing?

819
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:49,839
Speaker 3: Yeah?

820
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 2: And also the video quality was garbage anyway, So like,

821
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:53,800
Speaker 2: what was he even trying to achieve?

822
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 1: Yes? Yes.

823
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 2: Also, when ice Cube realizes that all the aliens were

824
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 2: going to these top secret data centers, he realizes this

825
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 2: after he clicks the show sensitive US Government locations button

826
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:09,360
Speaker 2: on his workspace. That again, this is like a pre

827
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:12,759
Speaker 2: programmed button that the engineering team has built for the

828
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 2: software that he's using. He doesn't have to enter a

829
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:19,320
Speaker 2: password or multi factor authentication or anything. He just clicks

830
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 2: the button.

831
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:21,799
Speaker 1: Because that's how it works. That's how it works, just

832
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:25,840
Speaker 1: to drop down show sensitive US Government locations question mark. Okay,

833
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:28,359
Speaker 1: there we go. So we're back at Faith's house where

834
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 1: she has taken the metal chard out of her leg,

835
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:32,800
Speaker 1: which I don't think you should do if you ever

836
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:35,319
Speaker 1: are impaled with something. I think the guidance is to

837
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:37,280
Speaker 1: not take it out until you're with a medical professional.

838
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 2: That's my understanding too quick. PSA for listeners, if you

839
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:43,840
Speaker 2: have believe a giant chunk of metal embedded in your body,

840
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 2: don't take it out until you've got a medical expert there.

841
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 1: This I mean, it wasn't a helicopter blade. But when

842
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 1: I was a kid, I was moving boxes barefoot in

843
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:57,360
Speaker 1: my garage. I don't know why I was doing this

844
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:02,240
Speaker 1: and I barefoot stepped off a metal, upside down metal

845
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 1: golf tee and it went right through my foot. Was horrible,

846
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 1: So yeah, it sucks.

847
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:10,240
Speaker 2: Yeah. Ouch.

848
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 1: So she's taken out the shard in her leg and

849
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:18,839
Speaker 1: she's really bleeding rapidly. But luckily Mark, her boyfriend, knows

850
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:21,360
Speaker 1: how to make a tourniquet out of packing tape because

851
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:24,399
Speaker 1: he works at Amazon, and as he says, that means

852
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:24,799
Speaker 1: he's a.

853
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 4: Pro Amazon, What a wonderful company? Yeah, Like, what does

854
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 4: he mean by that? Are people constantly getting severe cuts

855
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:36,919
Speaker 4: in the warehouse and they don't have access to first

856
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 4: aid supply so they've got to just they all have

857
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:42,280
Speaker 4: to know how to create tourniquits out of packing tape?

858
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:43,879
Speaker 2: Is that the implication here?

859
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 1: I don't feel like that's the flex Amazon thinks it

860
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 1: is about what the work conditions at their warehouse as

861
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 1: must be. Like if it's like, oh, we're all pros

862
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 1: at making tourniquets out of packing tape here at Amazon, Amazon,

863
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 1: what a wonderful company.

864
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:58,360
Speaker 2: Next up, we'll show you how to fashion a synthetic

865
00:45:58,480 --> 00:45:59,839
Speaker 2: leg out of a box.

866
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:02,319
Speaker 1: And had a pee in a bottle because you don't

867
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 1: get bathroom breaks. That's a real thing. Look it up.

868
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 1: So back to one of these data centers, Andrea, the

869
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 1: FBI agent, has found these little insect like cyborg aliens

870
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 1: inside the tripods that are inside this data center and

871
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 1: realizes that it eats data. The more data it consumes,

872
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 1: the smarter it gets, she says. So they realize that

873
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 1: the attacks by the tripods are a diversion to get

874
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 1: the tripods to data centers, and that these big tripods

875
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 1: are actually a trojan horse to get these little cyborg

876
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 1: bug things into the data centers to eat the data.

877
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 1: This is sort of a big reveal, but they just

878
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:43,839
Speaker 1: sort of say this, and then ice Cube and Eva

879
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 1: Longoria just look at each other and they both get

880
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 1: each other like a really weird look, and then the

881
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 1: scene changes. It's for this being like the big reveal

882
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:53,359
Speaker 1: of the movie. It is handled very awkwardly, but.

883
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:55,480
Speaker 2: I can understand why they would be to just like

884
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 2: take a minute to sit with this new insane information.

885
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:03,360
Speaker 2: These little bugs that eat the data, you know, because

886
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:07,760
Speaker 2: it's not like they're reading the gaina and gaining insight

887
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 2: or even gaining strength. They're literally consuming it. And after

888
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 2: they eat it, it is gone. Where does it go?

889
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 2: We don't know. Why do they want to eat it?

890
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:19,799
Speaker 2: We don't know. There was a Futurama movie where the

891
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 2: bad guys consumed information, But shockingly, the way those weird

892
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 2: creepy alien scammers in that movie like got off on

893
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 2: sniffing information seems way more plausible and thought out than

894
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:35,400
Speaker 2: these lazy little beetles ex Machina.

895
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:39,239
Speaker 1: They don't even explain really how they came to know

896
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:43,279
Speaker 1: this and how like, what do you mean eating the

897
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:45,839
Speaker 1: data makes them smarter? The way that they're just they're like, oh,

898
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:48,280
Speaker 1: it's no matter of fact, like, oh, they're they're attracted

899
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:51,319
Speaker 1: to data. They eat data. It nourishes them. That's it.

900
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 1: That's not It doesn't feel plausible because they don't give

901
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 1: you any other explanation for what's going on. They just

902
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 1: sort of lay that out on the end then move on.

903
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 2: And Also, this is happening in real time, so it's

904
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 2: been like less than an hour and Andrea has figured

905
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:06,319
Speaker 2: this out.

906
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:08,799
Speaker 1: I am so glad you brought that up, because the

907
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 1: movie presumably takes place in real time, Like we're watching

908
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:14,799
Speaker 1: this unfold on a screen, so we're seeing it in

909
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:18,239
Speaker 1: real time. This is all over the course of one afternoon, right,

910
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:21,400
Speaker 1: aliens have attacked, Meteors have hit all over the world.

911
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:25,759
Speaker 1: Global communication systems are down, but every global military has

912
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 1: come together to strike back. Andrea's figured this out and

913
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:31,839
Speaker 1: it's not even like lunchtime yet. The timing of this

914
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 1: movie is one of the one of the in a

915
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 1: movie where you have to suspend a lot of disbelief,

916
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 1: the timing of how this all goes down is one

917
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:40,920
Speaker 1: of the biggest glaring problems with what we're being told

918
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 1: is happening in this film.

919
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 2: So ice Cube tells Andrea that he's going to circle back.

920
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 1: So now all the grands have been down. Financial data

921
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:51,239
Speaker 1: is wiped out because the bugs ate it, so the

922
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 1: whole world is bankrupt. GPS is down, oil rigs are exploding.

923
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 1: At this point, during a footage of a newscast, we're

924
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:02,360
Speaker 1: told that the FAA has grounded commercial airline flights, which

925
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 1: we're halfway into the alien invasion and attack on Earth,

926
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 1: and we're to assume that commercial air travel was just

927
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 1: running as normal this entire time.

928
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 2: What, Yeah, like they're dodging meteors as they try to

929
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 2: take off and yeah, but sure, sure, yeah, they were

930
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 2: still running with you know, those planes got to run.

931
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 1: The world is going dark with that its most precious resource,

932
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 1: our data. So everything has gone dark, but somehow not YouTube,

933
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 1: because the disruptor goes live on his YouTube channel and

934
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 1: says that the Goliath program has collected all of our

935
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 1: data and that is the reason why these invaders will

936
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 1: not stop until they eat all of it.

937
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:43,840
Speaker 2: And in fact, all of the social media websites and

938
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 2: news outlets and retailers are still up and running just fine,

939
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:51,840
Speaker 2: even though all of the world's communication systems and financial

940
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 2: systems have been crippled and collapsed. Ice Cube is still

941
00:49:55,560 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 2: getting push notifications from a bunch of different apps and

942
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 2: it stepping back. It does kind of give the impression

943
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 2: that the writers of this movie think the Internet is

944
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:11,399
Speaker 2: like a magical force, uh, and not a system of

945
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:16,239
Speaker 2: companies and physical infrastructure like literally running over wires and

946
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:17,920
Speaker 2: from antennas it.

947
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 1: Honestly would have taken. I'm not saying this would be

948
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 1: a plausible explanation for why for this fucking glaring plot

949
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 1: hole that you could drive a semi truck through, but

950
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 1: it could have given you one nod like, oh, looks

951
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:37,480
Speaker 1: like some of these platforms have back up whatevers or something.

952
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 1: Just say something. It doesn't have to make sense. I

953
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:40,919
Speaker 1: don't got to check out. But the fact that they're

954
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:43,400
Speaker 1: like all of the globe has gone dark, there's no

955
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:46,239
Speaker 1: communication systems whatsoever. And then in the next scene, he's

956
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:49,359
Speaker 1: getting a Facebook notification like, just say something, Just give

957
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:50,799
Speaker 1: give us a little nod to this.

958
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:54,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, just ding ding ding ding ding notifications.

959
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:59,880
Speaker 1: So ice Cube listens to this disruptor YouTube live stream

960
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 1: about the surveillance project Goliath, and he says, her voice

961
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 1: sounds kind of familiar. So he saves the audio on

962
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 1: his computer, right clicks and does a vocal analysis on

963
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:20,200
Speaker 1: the disruptor's voice and Doune dun dune it's his own son.

964
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:23,359
Speaker 2: What I have to give you credit? You called that

965
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:27,320
Speaker 2: tens of minutes before it was revealed on screen.

966
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 1: I feel like it was fairly obvious when the sun

967
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:33,360
Speaker 1: called and says I have something important to tell you

968
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:35,239
Speaker 1: about what's going on. That Dad is like, I don't

969
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 1: have time to hear important stuff about what's going on.

970
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 1: In a pretty good sense that something was going on.

971
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:42,279
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, you called it. I thought maybe his son

972
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 2: was mixed up with some other hackers who had information

973
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 2: about the disruptor. But I just wasn't thinking big enough.

974
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 1: So ice Cube calls his son, and his son is like,

975
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:55,839
Speaker 1: for someone who watches everything, you sure miss a lot,

976
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 1: which I think is the only poignant line of the

977
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 1: whole film.

978
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:02,759
Speaker 2: So yeah, clearly the hacker's son is the hero of

979
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:04,320
Speaker 2: this movie because he gets the good line.

980
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:07,279
Speaker 1: Ice Cube's son sends him the information that he has

981
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 1: hacked from DHS ice Cube's own workplace about the Goliath program,

982
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:16,240
Speaker 1: which is not a conspiracy theory. The Goliath program is real.

983
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:18,880
Speaker 1: The hacked information that you see on screen is just

984
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:23,359
Speaker 1: a list of files with names like CIA, NSA, NHS,

985
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 1: DO d Roswells, Skinwalker Ranch. Don't you see how deep

986
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 1: this thing goes? Wake up people Like it's just a

987
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:35,239
Speaker 1: list of scary sounding government agencies and happenings.

988
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:38,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I feel that's about uh, that's about right,

989
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:41,520
Speaker 2: that's about the right tenor for this movie of just

990
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:48,960
Speaker 2: like a list of conspiracy theories and like vaguely menacing

991
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 2: sounding things like that's as deep as this is going, totally.

992
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:56,280
Speaker 1: Totally, So this is where we get the big reveal

993
00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:59,280
Speaker 1: of kind of what's going on here in this movie. Basically,

994
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:02,280
Speaker 1: and this is. I would say this is my sense

995
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 1: of it, because none of it makes any fucking sense.

996
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 1: So basically, government data collection programs going back to the

997
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 1: nineteen forties is what initially attracted aliens to Earth. So

998
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:13,880
Speaker 1: when you heard about like Roswell, that's why they were

999
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 1: coming here because of these government data collection programs. These

1000
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:21,720
Speaker 1: aliens eat data to become more advanced. I think question

1001
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 1: Mark and the government knew about this and hit it. Briggs,

1002
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:28,880
Speaker 1: who is the head of the Department of Homeland Security

1003
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 1: and ice Cube's boss, has secretly continued to do this

1004
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:37,440
Speaker 1: dangerous government data collection even though he knew that it

1005
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 1: meant setting Earth up for this very invasion. So the

1006
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:43,600
Speaker 1: head of DHS, ice Cube's boss, Briggs, has been behind

1007
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:46,439
Speaker 1: this whole thing the whole time. Ice Cube has been

1008
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 1: directly reporting to this monster.

1009
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 2: I think you did a nice job summarizing this insane story,

1010
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 2: Like it's not explained why these aliens are only interested

1011
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 2: in government data uh, or like how the government knew

1012
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 2: about it, And there's so much that it's not explained.

1013
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 2: But I think I think you did a nice job

1014
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:09,319
Speaker 2: with that.

1015
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:12,120
Speaker 1: Another thing to know is that the government did not

1016
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:16,520
Speaker 1: want DHS director Briggs to activate the Goliath program because

1017
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:19,759
Speaker 1: it's this massive data collection apparatus, and they said it

1018
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 1: was going to be like ringing a dinner bill for

1019
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 1: all the Tripod aliens who want to eat our data.

1020
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 1: But Briggs is on audio being like, I'm so drunk

1021
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 1: on the power of having everyone's data that I am

1022
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 1: blind to the obvious reality that it might cause aliens

1023
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:35,879
Speaker 1: to attack the planet and there's a pretty good chance

1024
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 1: I'll probably die if they do. He's just like, what

1025
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:41,280
Speaker 1: do you mean, how could we give up all the sweet,

1026
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:44,840
Speaker 1: sweet data because we're the government. So ice Cube calls

1027
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:47,640
Speaker 1: Briggs on it, and Briggs says, the government is like

1028
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:50,799
Speaker 1: Mommy and daddy, if we can't track our babies, how

1029
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:53,680
Speaker 1: can we protect them, Which, when you think about it,

1030
00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:55,840
Speaker 1: is kind of like how ice Cube is as a

1031
00:54:55,960 --> 00:55:00,719
Speaker 1: daddy tracking his own babies. I mean, really makes you think, right,

1032
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:02,839
Speaker 1: really makes you think.

1033
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 2: That's some subtle stuff there, some real subtle stuff.

1034
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:10,040
Speaker 1: This is not a subtle movie. This is a movie

1035
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:15,280
Speaker 1: that like really is like we are saying something honestly.

1036
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:18,360
Speaker 2: When we were watching it, it made me think of

1037
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:24,040
Speaker 2: the shows that my eight year old nephew watches because

1038
00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 2: it's the same sort of thing, where like there's no subtlety.

1039
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:29,319
Speaker 2: They are saying the thing that is happening so that

1040
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 2: children can follow along. And I kind of feel that's

1041
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:34,440
Speaker 2: what they're doing here.

1042
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:39,279
Speaker 1: It absolutely is. So Briggs fires ice Cube from the

1043
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:43,919
Speaker 1: DHS and locks them out of everything, even teams. How

1044
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:47,880
Speaker 1: will the movie continue without teams? Luckily, his son is

1045
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:51,399
Speaker 1: this big time hacker who can override the system and

1046
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:53,479
Speaker 1: give them a little War Games reference. Do you remember

1047
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:54,279
Speaker 1: when he types.

1048
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 2: Out, shall we play a game for.

1049
00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:59,840
Speaker 1: Folks who have not seen it because you're younger than forty?

1050
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:04,839
Speaker 1: That's a reference to the movie War Games. So they

1051
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:08,520
Speaker 1: team up with his son's crew of hackers with excellent

1052
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:13,480
Speaker 1: hacker names like Burnout, Fancy Beear, and Fellman Louise, and

1053
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 1: their plan is together they are going to infect data

1054
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:18,360
Speaker 1: centers with a virus, which I feel like is the

1055
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:21,520
Speaker 1: mo of like every movie like this, where they're like, oh,

1056
00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:24,080
Speaker 1: we have to defeat the alien by infecting it with

1057
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:24,840
Speaker 1: a virus.

1058
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:31,919
Speaker 2: Literally the how they solved the alien invasion in Independence Day,

1059
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 2: and that was back in what was that, like nineteen

1060
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:36,480
Speaker 2: ninety eight or something.

1061
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:40,040
Speaker 1: We have not really progressed a lot the hackers agree

1062
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:42,479
Speaker 1: to work with ice Cube. At first they're like, he's

1063
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:44,759
Speaker 1: the government, why should we trust him? And then ice

1064
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:47,359
Speaker 1: Cube is like, oh, well, I'll delete all of your

1065
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:49,960
Speaker 1: criminal records from a government data which he can just

1066
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:54,840
Speaker 1: do by right click the leaked government records on said hacker.

1067
00:56:55,160 --> 00:57:00,080
Speaker 1: Easyps done, hit that easy button because you're done. It

1068
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:01,719
Speaker 1: would have been a great time to make use of

1069
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:02,480
Speaker 1: that button again.

1070
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:04,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, they could have brought it back there. That would

1071
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:07,719
Speaker 2: have been great. That would have been funny. What a miss.

1072
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:10,359
Speaker 1: So, I will say, the scene when they're they're like

1073
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:14,040
Speaker 1: getting the ragtag crew of hackers together reminds me of

1074
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:16,880
Speaker 1: an actual good bad movie about this kind of thing,

1075
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:19,720
Speaker 1: Hackers with Matthew Liard. Have you ever seen that movie?

1076
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:21,440
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, of course, it's a classic.

1077
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:23,760
Speaker 1: Oh. I had a little bit of a crush on

1078
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 1: every person in that movie. I feel like Angelina Jolie

1079
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:29,560
Speaker 1: has never looked foxier, and they're all kind of like

1080
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 1: hot gender queer punks wearing oversized trench coats and like

1081
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 1: weird colored little sunglasses and shit. I had the hots

1082
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 1: for everybody in that movie. It was. It really made

1083
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:43,520
Speaker 1: an impression on me when I saw it, and I

1084
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:46,320
Speaker 1: think it gave me this attitude that if you're a hacker,

1085
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:48,800
Speaker 1: you're wearing like a cool like a like a trench

1086
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:51,840
Speaker 1: coat and like a cool hairstyle. You know. It really

1087
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:55,480
Speaker 1: set what I think was the aesthetic for what we

1088
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:57,600
Speaker 1: were told hackers would be in the nineties.

1089
00:57:58,040 --> 00:58:01,400
Speaker 2: Absolutely the truth. As somebody who entered college as a

1090
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:04,080
Speaker 2: freshman in nineteen ninety nine as a computer science major,

1091
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 2: that was very much the world that I thought I

1092
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:10,200
Speaker 2: was stepping into, and I quickly learned that I was incorrect.

1093
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:12,360
Speaker 1: I like, first things first, I gotta buy some black

1094
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:16,040
Speaker 1: leather fingerless gloves to let the world know I'm a hacker, right, Gotta.

1095
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:19,080
Speaker 2: Have the figerless gloves. Gotta have a trench coat, probably

1096
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 2: some like Doc Martin boots.

1097
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:25,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, space there it really. I mean, when we're ready

1098
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:28,600
Speaker 1: as a country to talk about it, Matthew Lizard in

1099
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:32,080
Speaker 1: that movie, that's all I'm gonna say. We're not. We're

1100
00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:34,720
Speaker 1: not ready yet. And I'm the lone voice who is

1101
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 1: going on record. But when folks are ready to talk

1102
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:40,400
Speaker 1: about the truth, I'll be here. I'll just say that.

1103
00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:42,800
Speaker 2: I mean, you haven't really gone on record. You just

1104
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:44,640
Speaker 2: said his name. A couple times and then trail.

1105
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:47,360
Speaker 1: Well, I think people know what I'm getting at right here,

1106
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:49,600
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, I'm just saying.

1107
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:52,200
Speaker 2: All right, just asking questions.

1108
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:56,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I'll say it. As a country, when are

1109
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:58,360
Speaker 1: we going to be ready to have the conversation that

1110
00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:02,120
Speaker 1: Matthew Lizard the hot That's all I'm saying.

1111
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 2: You heard it here. First, let's take a.

1112
00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:19,000
Speaker 3: Quick break at our back.

1113
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:25,120
Speaker 1: So ice Cube has now been like recruited to team

1114
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:27,840
Speaker 1: up with this crew, this ragtag crew of hackers, and

1115
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:31,240
Speaker 1: he says, okay, Disruptor, let's disrupt this shit. And he

1116
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:35,320
Speaker 1: puts all the Project Goliath evidence on the disruptor's YouTube channel,

1117
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:39,160
Speaker 1: essentially becoming a whistleblower. And this goes viral and blows

1118
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:42,200
Speaker 1: up on social media, which again is somehow still up

1119
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:46,720
Speaker 1: and running even though there's a total global communications blackout. Genuinely,

1120
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:48,800
Speaker 1: do not overthink it. As I said, and as I

1121
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:51,480
Speaker 1: wrote an underlined in my notes, at this point, this

1122
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:52,600
Speaker 1: is a very bad movie.

1123
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:57,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, like aliens are collapsing cities. I have to assume

1124
00:59:57,680 --> 01:00:02,600
Speaker 2: hundreds of millions of people are dying, and somehow this

1125
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:09,200
Speaker 2: like government surveillance program becomes a viral sensation like that

1126
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:12,000
Speaker 2: shit is happening in our government right now, and nobody

1127
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:12,320
Speaker 2: gives a.

1128
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:17,200
Speaker 1: Damn no, Like the alien's part of it, I don't

1129
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:19,000
Speaker 1: know about that, but like, this is not even a

1130
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:24,280
Speaker 1: conspiracy theory. This is happening now. So the hackers unleash

1131
01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:27,440
Speaker 1: this virus, but it does not work, and the tripods

1132
01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:31,080
Speaker 1: end up hacking the hackers, and they become even bigger

1133
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:34,000
Speaker 1: and also can fly. For some reason, the movie really

1134
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:38,360
Speaker 1: starts going off the rails here. The Tripods start attacking

1135
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:42,439
Speaker 1: the hackers in their homes with lasers and explosions. Ice

1136
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:45,320
Speaker 1: Cube's house, where ice Cube thinks his son is, is

1137
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:48,960
Speaker 1: exploded by the tripods, but luckily, his son has been

1138
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:52,560
Speaker 1: at his friend's house the entire time to confuse the tripods.

1139
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:55,240
Speaker 1: After finding out that his son did not get exploded

1140
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:58,720
Speaker 1: by aliens, ice Cube immediately says, why didn't you set

1141
01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:00,760
Speaker 1: up your IP address to show that you weren't at

1142
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:03,120
Speaker 1: our house so that your friend's house would be exploded?

1143
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:07,760
Speaker 1: I don't have alien explosion homeowner's insurance. Yeah yeah, yah, yeah, yuck.

1144
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:09,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, what a line.

1145
01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:15,840
Speaker 1: Somebody realizes that the aliens have blood and silicone, which

1146
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:19,840
Speaker 1: means that they are both hybrid cyber and biological creatures,

1147
01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:23,480
Speaker 1: which is why a virus alone did not kill them. Sure,

1148
01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:27,200
Speaker 1: so I guess all about it means that these creatures

1149
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:31,880
Speaker 1: have DNA, and luckily ice Keep's daughter Faith works with

1150
01:01:32,040 --> 01:01:34,640
Speaker 1: DNA at Georgetown that she does a research on that.

1151
01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:37,240
Speaker 2: Why do I feel like blood and silicone is going

1152
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:40,560
Speaker 2: to become a rallying cry of the tech bros.

1153
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:43,440
Speaker 1: It actually has a little bit of if it does,

1154
01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:45,000
Speaker 1: I want credit for that. It has a little bit

1155
01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:46,200
Speaker 1: of a ring to it.

1156
01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:50,000
Speaker 2: It kind of does. Also another big thing I'm sorry

1157
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:52,080
Speaker 2: to keep like bringing these up. But another thing that

1158
01:01:52,120 --> 01:01:54,840
Speaker 2: this movie doesn't address at all is like the implications

1159
01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:58,880
Speaker 2: of these aliens having DNA, meaning that they're related to

1160
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:01,600
Speaker 2: all life on Earth, Like did they come from Earth?

1161
01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:05,480
Speaker 2: Did they populate Earth in like a way similar to

1162
01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:09,160
Speaker 2: like the Aliens movies? Is this proof for the existence

1163
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:12,880
Speaker 2: of God that all organisms throughout the universe were created

1164
01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:16,400
Speaker 2: from the same DNA? Like none of these are just.

1165
01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:19,560
Speaker 1: They do not even address it. It is not even

1166
01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:22,920
Speaker 1: a question that is posed at any point in the

1167
01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:25,640
Speaker 1: film by anybody. They do not even address it.

1168
01:02:26,200 --> 01:02:29,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, so these aliens have DNA, got it? Yep?

1169
01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:33,680
Speaker 1: So because the aliens have DNA, they decide that their

1170
01:02:33,720 --> 01:02:38,080
Speaker 1: plan is to upload ice Cube's daughter Faith upload her

1171
01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:44,040
Speaker 1: DNA cannibal code into Goliath. I genuinely don't know. I've

1172
01:02:44,080 --> 01:02:45,919
Speaker 1: just said that sentence. I'm gonna keep on going.

1173
01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:48,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, they just need to upload Faith's DNA cannibal code

1174
01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:49,640
Speaker 2: into Goliath.

1175
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:52,400
Speaker 1: Was that the sentence that I said that. I paused

1176
01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:54,880
Speaker 1: the movie and I said that to you, and we

1177
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:57,720
Speaker 1: just requiet for a minute, and then this left.

1178
01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:02,480
Speaker 2: I think that happened a couple times, Like there actually

1179
01:03:02,560 --> 01:03:04,600
Speaker 2: is a lot happening in this movie.

1180
01:03:05,560 --> 01:03:08,320
Speaker 1: I remember we were like fifteen minutes in and I

1181
01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:10,240
Speaker 1: was like, oh, well, Shirley, we're almost done here, and

1182
01:03:10,280 --> 01:03:12,120
Speaker 1: it was like only fifteen I mean, the movie has

1183
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:14,840
Speaker 1: a slog They're like, for a movie that is kind

1184
01:03:14,840 --> 01:03:18,160
Speaker 1: of dull and doesn't make any sense, there a lot happens.

1185
01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:21,040
Speaker 1: I like, like, there's a lot going on in the movie.

1186
01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:22,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good point that I don't think we've

1187
01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:25,840
Speaker 2: touched on that. It like it is a slog like

1188
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:28,560
Speaker 2: it's it's just not fun to watch.

1189
01:03:29,040 --> 01:03:31,760
Speaker 1: No, it's not. It's not. For a movie that's this bad.

1190
01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:33,720
Speaker 1: They could have made it more fun. And that's what

1191
01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:35,960
Speaker 1: I do. I know you don't agree, but I do

1192
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:40,200
Speaker 1: stand by it that there is a fun bad movie

1193
01:03:40,680 --> 01:03:44,440
Speaker 1: like deep deep deep in this like several rewrites and

1194
01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:48,400
Speaker 1: several edits and several reshoots, maybe it would take, but

1195
01:03:48,680 --> 01:03:51,560
Speaker 1: there is there is a little something there.

1196
01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:55,520
Speaker 2: I agree. There's a little bit like the The General

1197
01:03:55,600 --> 01:03:59,400
Speaker 2: taking its calls from the golf course. Uh, there's there.

1198
01:03:59,400 --> 01:04:01,640
Speaker 2: There are a couple little things in here, but they're

1199
01:04:01,720 --> 01:04:09,120
Speaker 2: just buried by plot holes and bad dialogue and choppy,

1200
01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:13,120
Speaker 2: grainy video that is shaking because somebody is running.

1201
01:04:13,120 --> 01:04:16,480
Speaker 1: And lighting being weird that they're like the final scene

1202
01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:19,720
Speaker 1: is all shot in red light, I believe as a

1203
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:22,640
Speaker 1: way to distract from the horrible CGI. It's like, oh,

1204
01:04:22,640 --> 01:04:24,200
Speaker 1: the CGI looks so bad, we can't put this on

1205
01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:26,320
Speaker 1: the air. M make it red.

1206
01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:31,000
Speaker 2: Nobody in a little the difference, No redder, no more redder.

1207
01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:36,000
Speaker 1: It's like an Argento film.

1208
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:41,120
Speaker 2: A certain point, Ice Cubes starts repeating his lines backwards.

1209
01:04:41,480 --> 01:04:43,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, like, shit gets real weird. Next thing you know,

1210
01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:48,240
Speaker 1: it's an art house film. Got a little David Lynch

1211
01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:51,840
Speaker 1: in there. Mm hmm, Okay, So this is part of

1212
01:04:51,840 --> 01:04:54,840
Speaker 1: the movie where I genuinely I might this might be wrong.

1213
01:04:54,920 --> 01:04:57,640
Speaker 1: This is my interpretation of what I saw, so, like,

1214
01:04:58,120 --> 01:05:02,439
Speaker 1: I genuinely don't know, I'm if I'm reporting this as

1215
01:05:02,520 --> 01:05:08,200
Speaker 1: it actually happened. My understanding is that Goliath is underground

1216
01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:11,600
Speaker 1: under the DHS building where ice Cube works. So, in

1217
01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:16,760
Speaker 1: an attempt to protect Goliath from the Tripod aliens, Briggs,

1218
01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:21,560
Speaker 1: the DHS boss, has ordered the military to bomb DC

1219
01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:26,120
Speaker 1: within a five mile radius of DHS. DC is not

1220
01:05:26,200 --> 01:05:28,520
Speaker 1: a very big city, so that's essentially all of DC.

1221
01:05:28,720 --> 01:05:32,280
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna die, I guess, in an attempt to

1222
01:05:32,520 --> 01:05:36,760
Speaker 1: collapse the DHS building, which houses that big data center

1223
01:05:36,800 --> 01:05:41,440
Speaker 1: project underground to keep the aliens from getting to Goliath.

1224
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:44,760
Speaker 1: I don't know why this would be a protective measure,

1225
01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:47,360
Speaker 1: Like why is it harder for the Tripods to get

1226
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:51,800
Speaker 1: to Goliath underground if the DHS building on top of

1227
01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:54,680
Speaker 1: it was destroyed. I don't know. If this is not

1228
01:05:54,720 --> 01:05:57,760
Speaker 1: a question I can answer, but that's is that your

1229
01:05:57,800 --> 01:05:58,840
Speaker 1: read of what's going on at this.

1230
01:05:58,840 --> 01:06:02,240
Speaker 2: Point of the movie something like that, Yeah, Like Goliath

1231
01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:05,000
Speaker 2: is under the DHS building, and so they're going to

1232
01:06:05,480 --> 01:06:11,200
Speaker 2: bomb effectively all of DC to I think they were

1233
01:06:11,240 --> 01:06:13,160
Speaker 2: going to try to like destroy it. You know, maybe

1234
01:06:13,160 --> 01:06:15,560
Speaker 2: they're gonna use one of those big bunker buster bombs

1235
01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:20,920
Speaker 2: to penetrate through the building to blow it up, I guess,

1236
01:06:20,960 --> 01:06:25,920
Speaker 2: But I mean sure, you know, like they run this

1237
01:06:26,040 --> 01:06:29,240
Speaker 2: damn thing, couldn't they just like right click and hit

1238
01:06:29,680 --> 01:06:31,200
Speaker 2: delete Goliath program.

1239
01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:34,120
Speaker 1: Well that's why at what point I thought, perhaps this

1240
01:06:34,280 --> 01:06:36,920
Speaker 1: was Briggs' way of sort of covering up the evidence

1241
01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:39,440
Speaker 1: by bombing DHS so that no one would know that

1242
01:06:39,520 --> 01:06:45,080
Speaker 1: he was unveiling Goliath against protocol and against orders. But

1243
01:06:45,160 --> 01:06:47,720
Speaker 1: then I was like, wait, they've never even hinted at that,

1244
01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:50,840
Speaker 1: So I'm forced to take the exposition at its word

1245
01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:53,080
Speaker 1: because I don't know what else would be going on.

1246
01:06:53,240 --> 01:06:56,080
Speaker 1: I don't want to overthink it. That's my sense of

1247
01:06:56,120 --> 01:06:57,760
Speaker 1: what was happening. But at this point I have to

1248
01:06:57,800 --> 01:06:59,360
Speaker 1: admit that I was having a little bit of trouble

1249
01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:03,760
Speaker 1: following along. That's literally what was happening and why Yeah.

1250
01:07:03,560 --> 01:07:05,960
Speaker 2: And also at this point in the movie, it has

1251
01:07:06,040 --> 01:07:09,919
Speaker 2: become clear that like shit does not make sense, and

1252
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:14,000
Speaker 2: so my brain just starts to turn off. At that

1253
01:07:14,080 --> 01:07:16,560
Speaker 2: point of a movie where it's like I no longer

1254
01:07:16,640 --> 01:07:19,800
Speaker 2: have confidence in the filmmakers that like any of this

1255
01:07:19,880 --> 01:07:22,080
Speaker 2: is going to make any sense, So I'm not going

1256
01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:25,280
Speaker 2: to put in the effort to even understand what the

1257
01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:26,000
Speaker 2: hell is happening.

1258
01:07:26,040 --> 01:07:27,919
Speaker 1: You're not seeing the vision. You're not seeing the vision.

1259
01:07:27,920 --> 01:07:31,960
Speaker 1: I get it. So war kind of off the rails

1260
01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:34,680
Speaker 1: at this point. But here's what I think is happening.

1261
01:07:35,440 --> 01:07:39,240
Speaker 1: They need to get ice Cube's daughter Faith. They need

1262
01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:44,000
Speaker 1: to get her DNA cannibal code to ice Cube in

1263
01:07:44,080 --> 01:07:48,160
Speaker 1: the DHS building, which is currently locked down, because the

1264
01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:53,360
Speaker 1: military is going to bomb DHS to protect Goliath from

1265
01:07:53,400 --> 01:07:58,760
Speaker 1: the Tripod Alia by destroying it and also destroy the

1266
01:07:58,800 --> 01:08:03,120
Speaker 1: whole city, just wipeicking out all of the district of Columbia.

1267
01:08:04,120 --> 01:08:07,240
Speaker 2: Yep, that's uh, that's where we're at, you know. So

1268
01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:11,439
Speaker 2: ice Cube and his son team up to hack into

1269
01:08:11,480 --> 01:08:15,960
Speaker 2: Goliath and to crash the surveillance system with a virus,

1270
01:08:16,160 --> 01:08:18,880
Speaker 2: because then the aliens won't have anything to eat anymore

1271
01:08:19,479 --> 01:08:23,480
Speaker 2: and they will get hungry and go home. And yeah,

1272
01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:27,559
Speaker 2: and if they do this, then the bombers won't need

1273
01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:30,880
Speaker 2: to drop those bombs. And like we keep seeing I

1274
01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:34,320
Speaker 2: think stealth bombers in the air, like they can see

1275
01:08:34,320 --> 01:08:36,559
Speaker 2: that from their surveillance system. I don't know what camera

1276
01:08:36,720 --> 01:08:41,440
Speaker 2: is filming these bombers just like flying around I supposedly

1277
01:08:41,560 --> 01:08:42,080
Speaker 2: en route.

1278
01:08:41,880 --> 01:08:42,200
Speaker 1: To d C.

1279
01:08:42,320 --> 01:08:44,280
Speaker 2: They keep saying they're like five minutes out from DC,

1280
01:08:44,920 --> 01:08:48,559
Speaker 2: but they're showing them flying over like giant mountains and

1281
01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:52,240
Speaker 2: fjords and shit, which like that's not what the area.

1282
01:08:52,439 --> 01:08:54,320
Speaker 2: How DC looks like a lot of this is supposed

1283
01:08:54,320 --> 01:08:55,400
Speaker 2: to be DC doesn't look like it.

1284
01:08:55,560 --> 01:08:58,320
Speaker 1: That's actually one of my little nippicky pet peeves about

1285
01:08:58,520 --> 01:09:00,519
Speaker 1: not just this movie, but so many these when they're

1286
01:09:00,520 --> 01:09:03,960
Speaker 1: showing like a plane flying into DC. I was a

1287
01:09:03,960 --> 01:09:06,120
Speaker 1: big X file span and I will say X files

1288
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Speaker 1: sometimes got this wrong, where they would say dulls Airport

1289
01:09:09,560 --> 01:09:11,600
Speaker 1: and they would depict it in ways that just like,

1290
01:09:11,640 --> 01:09:16,799
Speaker 1: that's not Dullest airport. Sometimes they would show like big

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Speaker 1: skyscrapers and be like Washington DC, and it's like, well,

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Speaker 1: DC has a height ordnance and so there are no

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01:09:23,320 --> 01:09:26,400
Speaker 1: big skyscrapers in DC. Those are illegal here. Or they

1294
01:09:26,400 --> 01:09:29,520
Speaker 1: would show I've seen it where they show big mountains,

1295
01:09:29,560 --> 01:09:32,040
Speaker 1: like big cavernous mountains, and it's like, well, it's definitely

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Speaker 1: not DC. It's very flat, but yeah, this is this

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01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:39,280
Speaker 1: is a I don't know what the cameras on these

1298
01:09:39,640 --> 01:09:43,280
Speaker 1: Fighter jets are showing, but they have access to it.

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Speaker 1: So at this point, ice Cube needs to put Fate's

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01:09:47,720 --> 01:09:51,320
Speaker 1: DNA cannibal code on a thumb drive. Buddy doesn't have one,

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01:09:51,680 --> 01:09:56,000
Speaker 1: but luckily Mark works for Amazon. They're a wonderful company

1302
01:09:56,479 --> 01:10:00,599
Speaker 1: and he has access to Amazon Prime Air Drone. It's

1303
01:10:00,640 --> 01:10:04,720
Speaker 1: the future of delivery. But Mark has to place an

1304
01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:07,680
Speaker 1: order with Amazon if he wants to use this wonderful

1305
01:10:07,800 --> 01:10:11,639
Speaker 1: delivery option from Amazon. So they actually take the time

1306
01:10:11,720 --> 01:10:15,200
Speaker 1: to show ice Cube going to like Amazon dot com

1307
01:10:15,240 --> 01:10:19,920
Speaker 1: and clicking purchase on a thumb drive and being like, oh,

1308
01:10:19,960 --> 01:10:22,639
Speaker 1: it'll come to you between seven am and eleven am

1309
01:10:22,720 --> 01:10:26,000
Speaker 1: today and he actually like clicks through on his cart

1310
01:10:26,040 --> 01:10:28,800
Speaker 1: to complete this Amazon transaction, and they show all of this.

1311
01:10:29,400 --> 01:10:32,559
Speaker 1: So again, even though we have been told that global

1312
01:10:32,680 --> 01:10:35,280
Speaker 1: banking information has all been wiped out to the point

1313
01:10:35,280 --> 01:10:38,799
Speaker 1: where the entire world is bankrupt and there's no communication system,

1314
01:10:39,040 --> 01:10:40,719
Speaker 1: Amazon somehow is still up and running.

1315
01:10:41,240 --> 01:10:45,320
Speaker 2: Like, I don't remember what method of payment he used.

1316
01:10:45,400 --> 01:10:48,400
Speaker 2: I believe they showed it to us or but yeah,

1317
01:10:48,439 --> 01:10:52,720
Speaker 2: all the financial systems have been taken down, so how

1318
01:10:52,760 --> 01:10:53,559
Speaker 2: did he pay for this?

1319
01:10:53,960 --> 01:10:57,680
Speaker 1: Thankfully, the Amazon Fulfillment Center logistics is still up and

1320
01:10:57,760 --> 01:11:01,519
Speaker 1: running at normal capacity. The end of the world being

1321
01:11:01,560 --> 01:11:04,439
Speaker 1: like essentially at the precipice, and Mark is able to

1322
01:11:04,439 --> 01:11:06,880
Speaker 1: get this thumb drive shipped out immediately.

1323
01:11:07,360 --> 01:11:10,080
Speaker 2: Sure, And it's also funny that, like I don't know

1324
01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:14,639
Speaker 2: if Mark just like can't or won't violate company policy

1325
01:11:14,720 --> 01:11:18,160
Speaker 2: until ice Cube places that order, Like the end of

1326
01:11:18,160 --> 01:11:20,240
Speaker 2: the world is at stake here, and he's like, no,

1327
01:11:20,280 --> 01:11:22,599
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, man, I could not put that thumb drive

1328
01:11:22,640 --> 01:11:25,960
Speaker 2: on a drone until you check out that.

1329
01:11:26,280 --> 01:11:28,680
Speaker 1: Order for this like twenty dollars sub dra Yeah, the

1330
01:11:28,720 --> 01:11:35,400
Speaker 1: Amazon promotion here is really shameless, Like it's over the top.

1331
01:11:35,439 --> 01:11:39,080
Speaker 1: At this point, they give you Marx like pov operating

1332
01:11:39,120 --> 01:11:43,840
Speaker 1: the Amazon delivery drone using like virtual reality, a virtual

1333
01:11:43,840 --> 01:11:47,840
Speaker 1: reality headset, and it has an Amazon Prime Air logo

1334
01:11:47,960 --> 01:11:51,200
Speaker 1: up at the core. The fate of the world is

1335
01:11:51,320 --> 01:11:55,920
Speaker 1: literally hinging on the logistics of Amazon's delivery services. Amazon,

1336
01:11:56,080 --> 01:12:12,760
Speaker 1: They're a wonderful company. More after a quick break, let's

1337
01:12:12,760 --> 01:12:16,639
Speaker 1: get right back into it, so bear with me here.

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01:12:17,280 --> 01:12:20,280
Speaker 1: Ice Cube has to make it down to the basement

1339
01:12:20,439 --> 01:12:24,040
Speaker 1: of the Department of Homeland Security building where Goliath is.

1340
01:12:24,960 --> 01:12:27,599
Speaker 1: Mind you, earlier it was a plot point that he

1341
01:12:27,680 --> 01:12:30,000
Speaker 1: was essentially locked in his office because he couldn't get

1342
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:32,080
Speaker 1: to his daughter face. That's not a problem anymore. We

1343
01:12:32,120 --> 01:12:36,599
Speaker 1: don't know why his intention is to put the cannibal

1344
01:12:36,680 --> 01:12:39,880
Speaker 1: DNA code that is on this thumb drive into Goliath

1345
01:12:40,960 --> 01:12:45,000
Speaker 1: that Mark is sending via Amazon Air delivery drone. I

1346
01:12:45,160 --> 01:12:47,280
Speaker 1: had to pause the movie at this point and I

1347
01:12:47,360 --> 01:12:50,080
Speaker 1: said that plot point out loud to you, Mike, to

1348
01:12:50,120 --> 01:12:52,080
Speaker 1: make sure I was not losing my mind, and they

1349
01:12:52,160 --> 01:12:56,160
Speaker 1: both just like laughed at the ridiculousness of this plot point.

1350
01:12:56,680 --> 01:12:58,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think I think that's it. I think

1351
01:12:58,560 --> 01:13:01,960
Speaker 2: that's what was happening. You's gotta rush this thumb drive

1352
01:13:02,439 --> 01:13:07,799
Speaker 2: that contains the cannibal DNA code to the DHS building

1353
01:13:07,960 --> 01:13:11,560
Speaker 2: so that ice Cube can insert it into the servers

1354
01:13:12,200 --> 01:13:16,960
Speaker 2: and infect Goliath with the cannibal DNA code.

1355
01:13:17,720 --> 01:13:20,840
Speaker 1: And it's also a race against time because they're they

1356
01:13:20,880 --> 01:13:24,080
Speaker 1: have to do all of this before the fighter jets

1357
01:13:24,520 --> 01:13:28,160
Speaker 1: hit the DHS building and annihilates all of DC. But

1358
01:13:28,320 --> 01:13:31,479
Speaker 1: oh no, the drone gets knocked down before it gets

1359
01:13:31,479 --> 01:13:35,280
Speaker 1: to ice Cube. They're able to commandeer a different surveillance drone,

1360
01:13:35,840 --> 01:13:37,800
Speaker 1: one of the you know typical ones that is flying

1361
01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:39,479
Speaker 1: around DC is doing nothing in particular.

1362
01:13:39,680 --> 01:13:42,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they specifically they call it a Reaper drobe.

1363
01:13:42,280 --> 01:13:45,080
Speaker 2: That's one of the ones that they use in like

1364
01:13:45,080 --> 01:13:49,280
Speaker 2: like Yemen and they're using an Afghanistan. These like these

1365
01:13:49,320 --> 01:13:50,839
Speaker 2: are like serious drodes.

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01:13:51,680 --> 01:13:54,719
Speaker 1: They can kill people. They're just hanging around DC. Anybody

1367
01:13:54,720 --> 01:13:57,240
Speaker 1: can operate that. You could just right click on any

1368
01:13:57,280 --> 01:13:59,320
Speaker 1: computer pick from a dropdown.

1369
01:13:59,560 --> 01:14:01,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. They one just you know, looping around over the

1370
01:14:01,920 --> 01:14:03,240
Speaker 2: zoo just in case.

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01:14:03,560 --> 01:14:05,960
Speaker 1: So I gotta make sure none of those zebras get

1372
01:14:05,960 --> 01:14:08,280
Speaker 1: out of line, you know how it is. So they're

1373
01:14:08,320 --> 01:14:10,920
Speaker 1: able to commandeer this drone and they see like a

1374
01:14:11,000 --> 01:14:14,559
Speaker 1: random on housed guy on the street near the drone

1375
01:14:14,720 --> 01:14:17,639
Speaker 1: carrying the thumb drive, and they're able to hack into

1376
01:14:17,640 --> 01:14:19,479
Speaker 1: his cell phone to ask him to run out of

1377
01:14:19,479 --> 01:14:22,719
Speaker 1: his tent to turn it over, even though these alien

1378
01:14:22,760 --> 01:14:26,080
Speaker 1: tripods are basically destroying the city. First, they say, if

1379
01:14:26,120 --> 01:14:27,800
Speaker 1: you do this for us, the government will give you

1380
01:14:27,880 --> 01:14:30,439
Speaker 1: free internet. And he's like, what so they can track me?

1381
01:14:30,920 --> 01:14:33,000
Speaker 1: Pretty clever? Pretty clever.

1382
01:14:33,640 --> 01:14:36,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, he doesn't know that. They just like saw his

1383
01:14:37,160 --> 01:14:42,400
Speaker 2: image on a surveillance camera in the alley way that

1384
01:14:42,400 --> 01:14:44,840
Speaker 2: they somehow have access to. And we're able to like

1385
01:14:44,960 --> 01:14:49,400
Speaker 2: right click, identify person, identify phone number, and start texting

1386
01:14:49,439 --> 01:14:53,160
Speaker 2: him because of that. But I respect that this homeless

1387
01:14:53,160 --> 01:14:54,960
Speaker 2: guy doesn't want to be tracked.

1388
01:14:55,160 --> 01:14:57,160
Speaker 1: No, I respect. I mean, like he's right, he just

1389
01:14:57,200 --> 01:14:59,479
Speaker 1: doesn't know how right he is. I bet so then

1390
01:14:59,520 --> 01:15:02,200
Speaker 1: theough okay, a sweeten the deal. They offer him a

1391
01:15:02,240 --> 01:15:06,120
Speaker 1: one thousand dollars gift card too. You guessed it Amazon,

1392
01:15:06,240 --> 01:15:09,600
Speaker 1: And of course he goes for it, because who wouldn't Amazon.

1393
01:15:09,640 --> 01:15:10,879
Speaker 1: They're a wonderful company.

1394
01:15:11,320 --> 01:15:13,880
Speaker 2: They have all the best products everyone wants.

1395
01:15:14,280 --> 01:15:16,479
Speaker 1: I gotta say, I'm genuine this was the one time

1396
01:15:16,520 --> 01:15:18,120
Speaker 1: I feel like Amazon showed a little bit of a

1397
01:15:18,120 --> 01:15:21,760
Speaker 1: straight because I am genuinely surprised they did not have

1398
01:15:21,840 --> 01:15:24,800
Speaker 1: a scene where the viewer sees the perspective of the

1399
01:15:24,880 --> 01:15:28,200
Speaker 1: guy like browsing Amazon and making a purchase that turns

1400
01:15:28,200 --> 01:15:30,040
Speaker 1: his life around and helps him get off the street

1401
01:15:30,040 --> 01:15:31,880
Speaker 1: and back on his feet and reunited with this kid

1402
01:15:31,880 --> 01:15:34,000
Speaker 1: and giving back to the community. Like that is the

1403
01:15:34,080 --> 01:15:38,320
Speaker 1: level of Amazon advertising that is embedded within this movie.

1404
01:15:38,640 --> 01:15:41,479
Speaker 2: Baby, They're gonna give him a series, like a spinoff series.

1405
01:15:41,840 --> 01:15:46,320
Speaker 1: Yes, So, I gotta say for an action movie, this

1406
01:15:46,439 --> 01:15:49,720
Speaker 1: is the big ending sequence. It is so tedious. It's

1407
01:15:49,800 --> 01:15:54,519
Speaker 1: just Ice Cube running around in an office building basement. Again,

1408
01:15:54,640 --> 01:15:56,760
Speaker 1: the whole scene is shot in red, which I think

1409
01:15:56,840 --> 01:15:59,679
Speaker 1: is meant to kind of distract from the horrible graphics

1410
01:15:59,720 --> 01:16:03,480
Speaker 1: and see. Yeah, at one point he punches a tripod

1411
01:16:03,840 --> 01:16:08,080
Speaker 1: and then quotes the rapper ludicrous. For some reason, he says, move, bitch,

1412
01:16:08,120 --> 01:16:12,719
Speaker 1: get out the way, which topical, guys, really topical. He's

1413
01:16:12,760 --> 01:16:15,760
Speaker 1: able to get the thumb drive into Goliath and the

1414
01:16:15,800 --> 01:16:18,880
Speaker 1: cannibal code uploads. I could not tell you what any

1415
01:16:18,920 --> 01:16:20,439
Speaker 1: of that means, but it is a sentence, and I

1416
01:16:20,439 --> 01:16:24,160
Speaker 1: have just said in any event, it works. The tripods

1417
01:16:24,320 --> 01:16:28,800
Speaker 1: power down, they retreat, so it all works out. In

1418
01:16:28,840 --> 01:16:32,960
Speaker 1: the end, the family ends up being heroes for data privacy.

1419
01:16:33,479 --> 01:16:37,040
Speaker 1: Ice Cube kind of becomes like an anonymous whistleblower figure.

1420
01:16:37,439 --> 01:16:41,800
Speaker 1: His former boss Briggs of DHS, is arrested. At the end,

1421
01:16:41,880 --> 01:16:45,000
Speaker 1: we see ice cubes computer desktop and it just has

1422
01:16:45,000 --> 01:16:48,320
Speaker 1: an image of his space and his son's face wearing

1423
01:16:48,360 --> 01:16:51,679
Speaker 1: a hoodie, and it has all these big bold all

1424
01:16:51,760 --> 01:16:56,960
Speaker 1: caps expressions and phrases written around them like big media lies,

1425
01:16:57,200 --> 01:17:02,320
Speaker 1: illegal surveillance, false flags rights and in the end, even

1426
01:17:02,320 --> 01:17:06,120
Speaker 1: Earle friend of the show, Joe Rogan is tweeting about

1427
01:17:06,160 --> 01:17:10,000
Speaker 1: how they are heroes of data privacy. At the end

1428
01:17:10,040 --> 01:17:12,479
Speaker 1: of the movie, ice Cube is asked by the President

1429
01:17:12,520 --> 01:17:15,160
Speaker 1: to start a new data collection project, but one that

1430
01:17:15,320 --> 01:17:19,559
Speaker 1: doesn't invade people's privacy. Ice Cube says, no, you know why,

1431
01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:22,479
Speaker 1: because there's more important things to do on this earth

1432
01:17:22,479 --> 01:17:25,960
Speaker 1: and worry about what's in other people's Amazon carts. I'm

1433
01:17:26,000 --> 01:17:29,679
Speaker 1: done watching us from now on. I'm watching you guys

1434
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:32,720
Speaker 1: like a real who's watching the Watchmen vibe over here?

1435
01:17:32,760 --> 01:17:33,800
Speaker 1: Am I right? So?

1436
01:17:34,120 --> 01:17:39,280
Speaker 2: I hated so much about this movie. I yeah, it

1437
01:17:39,320 --> 01:17:41,599
Speaker 2: was not good, but I think the thing that I

1438
01:17:41,680 --> 01:17:46,400
Speaker 2: hate most is that this comes out of absolutely nowhere,

1439
01:17:46,479 --> 01:17:49,920
Speaker 2: Like ice Cube was not grappling with the implications of

1440
01:17:49,960 --> 01:17:52,680
Speaker 2: surveillance at any point during this movie. It was his

1441
01:17:52,720 --> 01:17:55,599
Speaker 2: whole thing, his whole job, his whole relationship with his kids,

1442
01:17:55,920 --> 01:17:59,559
Speaker 2: everything about him was surveillance. He loved surveillance. He was

1443
01:17:59,640 --> 01:18:03,000
Speaker 2: just really into surveilling. That was like his favorite thing.

1444
01:18:03,520 --> 01:18:06,680
Speaker 2: And then all of a sudden, like now he's into privacy.

1445
01:18:08,040 --> 01:18:11,240
Speaker 2: How did he get here? What journey did he go

1446
01:18:11,360 --> 01:18:13,839
Speaker 2: on that we the viewers did not get to see.

1447
01:18:14,560 --> 01:18:18,080
Speaker 2: It's you know, literally the only adverse consequence of excessive

1448
01:18:18,120 --> 01:18:20,400
Speaker 2: surveillance that we've seen in the movie is that it

1449
01:18:20,479 --> 01:18:24,120
Speaker 2: attracted aliens who eat data. So is he afraid that

1450
01:18:24,120 --> 01:18:26,639
Speaker 2: that's gonna happen again? And I think maybe the reason

1451
01:18:26,640 --> 01:18:29,240
Speaker 2: that it really bothers me is because it is such

1452
01:18:29,280 --> 01:18:33,920
Speaker 2: an actually important thing, Like that's why we're talking about

1453
01:18:33,960 --> 01:18:36,240
Speaker 2: on this show. It's why it's why we do this show,

1454
01:18:36,320 --> 01:18:39,799
Speaker 2: because you and I and our listeners really value privacy

1455
01:18:39,800 --> 01:18:45,439
Speaker 2: and understand what is at stake when everything is given

1456
01:18:45,479 --> 01:18:50,960
Speaker 2: to surveillance. And certainly I'm down to like have fun

1457
01:18:51,240 --> 01:18:54,080
Speaker 2: with a serious topic. But it's not even like they

1458
01:18:54,080 --> 01:18:56,360
Speaker 2: had fun with it. It's just kind of like thrown

1459
01:18:56,479 --> 01:19:01,559
Speaker 2: in after the fact in a totally non serious way

1460
01:19:01,640 --> 01:19:03,599
Speaker 2: that I guess I kind of resent a little bit.

1461
01:19:03,880 --> 01:19:06,719
Speaker 1: As one reviewer put it, if the movie were any good,

1462
01:19:06,840 --> 01:19:09,360
Speaker 1: I might fear the implications it lays out.

1463
01:19:09,720 --> 01:19:12,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great way to put it. In the

1464
01:19:12,920 --> 01:19:16,360
Speaker 2: old A Dodge like, show me, don't tell me. They've

1465
01:19:16,400 --> 01:19:18,360
Speaker 2: just told us. They haven't showed us anything.

1466
01:19:18,920 --> 01:19:22,519
Speaker 1: What a fucking slug this thing is. I will say

1467
01:19:22,720 --> 01:19:26,080
Speaker 1: there is something the movie I think inadvertently kind of

1468
01:19:26,120 --> 01:19:30,160
Speaker 1: gets right, and one that felt especially true in twenty twenty,

1469
01:19:30,439 --> 01:19:34,240
Speaker 1: which is the mundanity of living in a tech dystopia.

1470
01:19:34,360 --> 01:19:37,880
Speaker 1: If aliens truly were invading Earth, we would all still

1471
01:19:37,920 --> 01:19:41,120
Speaker 1: probably be answering teams calls and getting slacks from your

1472
01:19:41,160 --> 01:19:45,600
Speaker 1: boss that say emergency zoom meeting now while watching the

1473
01:19:45,600 --> 01:19:48,560
Speaker 1: footage of global landmarks being destroyed, like on mute in

1474
01:19:48,600 --> 01:19:51,559
Speaker 1: another window. This movie makes a lot of use of

1475
01:19:52,200 --> 01:19:55,200
Speaker 1: that friendly little Microsoft team's chime, you know, get a

1476
01:19:55,280 --> 01:19:58,720
Speaker 1: new with that little noise that going off constantly, and

1477
01:19:58,760 --> 01:20:00,960
Speaker 1: then the person on the other end of the team's

1478
01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:03,360
Speaker 1: call when you answer it is literally being attacked by aliens.

1479
01:20:03,840 --> 01:20:06,479
Speaker 1: I think that is like how shit would go down

1480
01:20:06,600 --> 01:20:09,680
Speaker 1: if there was an alien attack. Also, the way that

1481
01:20:09,760 --> 01:20:12,599
Speaker 1: the aliens are tearing apart the world and the film's

1482
01:20:12,600 --> 01:20:15,479
Speaker 1: main characters are largely just sort of going about their business,

1483
01:20:16,000 --> 01:20:17,640
Speaker 1: that also rings true to me.

1484
01:20:18,320 --> 01:20:21,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with that. I think, you know, I

1485
01:20:21,800 --> 01:20:23,600
Speaker 2: think a lot of people feel that that's kind of

1486
01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:25,920
Speaker 2: what's happening right now. It's not happening over the course

1487
01:20:25,960 --> 01:20:31,240
Speaker 2: of a single afternoon with aliens smashing things, but there

1488
01:20:31,280 --> 01:20:36,880
Speaker 2: are any number of things happening outside my window right

1489
01:20:36,920 --> 01:20:44,800
Speaker 2: now that arguably are threatening humanity, threatening civilization, and you know,

1490
01:20:44,840 --> 01:20:50,080
Speaker 2: people are still going to work, taking teams, calls, do

1491
01:20:50,200 --> 01:20:54,439
Speaker 2: it all the mundane stuff. So yeah, I and I

1492
01:20:54,439 --> 01:20:57,559
Speaker 2: think you're right. I guess the movie does capture some

1493
01:20:57,760 --> 01:21:01,639
Speaker 2: of that, although the acute urge agency of the alien

1494
01:21:01,720 --> 01:21:04,840
Speaker 2: invasion kind of masks it a little bit.

1495
01:21:04,880 --> 01:21:11,080
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, I agree with that more after a

1496
01:21:11,160 --> 01:21:25,760
Speaker 1: quick break, let's get right back into it. I don't

1497
01:21:25,800 --> 01:21:28,280
Speaker 1: even know that it's worth asking the question of what

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Speaker 1: this movie gets wrong, not just about technology but about filmmaking, storytelling, acting.

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Speaker 1: But insofar as I want to ask what the fuck

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Speaker 1: is going on in this movie, I do have a

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Speaker 1: sense of what I think the filmmakers were going for.

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Speaker 1: I think this movie is meant to be about surveillance

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Speaker 1: as a proxy for protection, love and connection. Like at

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Speaker 1: the end of the movie, ice Cube has queued up

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Speaker 1: this scheduled email to his case kids, explaining that he

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Speaker 1: promised their late mother that he would keep them safe,

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Speaker 1: along with screenshots of the various surveillance that he's done

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Speaker 1: of them over the years. And at the end of

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Speaker 1: the movie you kind of get the sense that ice

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Speaker 1: Cube has gotten to a healthier place. He is able

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Speaker 1: to attend the baby shower with his daughter and Mark.

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Speaker 1: But ultimately we are still meant to feel that his surveillance,

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Speaker 1: both of his children and of everybody in the country

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Speaker 1: is a good thing because ultimately it led to everybody

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Speaker 1: being kept safer. At the very end of the movie,

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Speaker 1: we are to understand that he is still doing this

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Speaker 1: kind of surveillance because the very last seat of the

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Speaker 1: film is him spying on Mark in this Amazon delivery van.

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Speaker 1: So the message does seem to sort of be surveillance

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Speaker 1: can be a reasonable expression of like wanting to protect people,

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Speaker 1: but also be wary of it.

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Speaker 2: I guess, I guess, yeah, Like honestly, I don't think

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Speaker 2: that they even know, you know, it's it's just feels

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Speaker 2: kind of muddled.

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Speaker 1: Muddle is a good word for it, And.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, muddled and told to us. It's like a lesson

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Speaker 2: that is told like eat your vegetables, don't do surveillance,

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01:23:21,000 --> 01:23:24,200
Speaker 2: don't you know. But it's like, but tell me why,

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Speaker 2: like help help me understand the why of these things

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Speaker 2: so that I can I internalize them. That's that's what

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Speaker 2: I want from a movie.

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Speaker 1: It's heavy handed and not subtle, but also says nothing.

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Speaker 1: That's how I feel about it.

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Speaker 2: So that's a really good way to put it. It's

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01:23:38,680 --> 01:23:41,719
Speaker 2: heavy handed and not subtle, but says nothing.

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Speaker 1: So father and son resolving their issues is not the

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01:23:45,439 --> 01:23:48,599
Speaker 1: only kind of hero of this movie. The big hero

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Speaker 1: of this movie is big tech surveillance along with Amazon,

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01:23:53,240 --> 01:23:57,040
Speaker 1: a company that we know is a wonderful company. This

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01:23:57,120 --> 01:24:00,599
Speaker 1: movie is really just like a real hand job to Amazon.

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01:24:00,640 --> 01:24:04,280
Speaker 1: It's essentially one long ad for Amazon, even though you

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01:24:04,360 --> 01:24:07,080
Speaker 1: have to watch like two minutes of actual Amazon ads

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Speaker 1: before it starts.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, clearly produced by Amazon. You know, Mark is an

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01:24:14,600 --> 01:24:21,120
Speaker 2: unlikely hero, the capable Amazon employee, and just like subtle

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Speaker 2: things like the Prime drones.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I do think in the universe of this film,

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01:24:29,880 --> 01:24:34,600
Speaker 1: Amazon is sort of positioned as aligning with privacy, like

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01:24:34,800 --> 01:24:39,240
Speaker 1: government surveillance is equated to the government snooping at Watson

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01:24:39,240 --> 01:24:42,599
Speaker 1: people's Amazon cart. The reality is is that Amazon has

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01:24:42,640 --> 01:24:45,840
Speaker 1: a direct hand and the exact kind of government surveillance

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Speaker 1: The movie is, I think criticizing. Here's how one review

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01:24:49,360 --> 01:24:51,439
Speaker 1: from Wired put it. These scenes in War of the

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01:24:51,439 --> 01:24:54,080
Speaker 1: World would have been just outrageous enough to be shocked

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01:24:54,160 --> 01:24:56,240
Speaker 1: up to comedy if it wasn't for the films heightened

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01:24:56,280 --> 01:24:59,519
Speaker 1: focus on government surveillance without any mention of the tech

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01:24:59,520 --> 01:25:02,719
Speaker 1: industry roll in all this, from anonymous style live streams

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01:25:02,720 --> 01:25:06,400
Speaker 1: featuring the US Constitution to ice Cube digitally stalking as

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01:25:06,479 --> 01:25:09,600
Speaker 1: children to the secret data stealing project that becons the

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01:25:09,640 --> 01:25:12,679
Speaker 1: aliens to earth. The true enemy is clear the US

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01:25:12,800 --> 01:25:16,320
Speaker 1: government and its technology. In fact, the only time privacy

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01:25:16,360 --> 01:25:18,920
Speaker 1: is threatened as it relates to private business is when

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01:25:18,960 --> 01:25:21,559
Speaker 1: the government interferes with it, like in that Testla scene.

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01:25:21,760 --> 01:25:23,880
Speaker 1: So it just really seems like a big, weird, glaring

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01:25:23,920 --> 01:25:27,719
Speaker 1: omission for a movie made by Amazon to not deal

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01:25:27,760 --> 01:25:30,800
Speaker 1: with the ways that we know Amazon itself is involved

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01:25:30,840 --> 01:25:34,559
Speaker 1: in surveillance, not keeping people's privacy safe, and also is

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01:25:34,680 --> 01:25:37,599
Speaker 1: mixed up in the kinds of government surveillance that I

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01:25:37,640 --> 01:25:39,440
Speaker 1: think the movie is critiquing.

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01:25:40,479 --> 01:25:42,880
Speaker 2: That is also such a good point and I think

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01:25:43,520 --> 01:25:48,920
Speaker 2: helps me understand part of my reactance against this movie.

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01:25:49,000 --> 01:25:52,080
Speaker 2: That is, it is such a huge omission, you know,

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01:25:52,160 --> 01:25:56,760
Speaker 2: when I think about why I am not cool with

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01:25:57,520 --> 01:26:01,080
Speaker 2: total surveillance. Yes, governments valance is a big part of it,

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01:26:01,200 --> 01:26:04,840
Speaker 2: but it equally huge part of it is surveillance by

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01:26:04,920 --> 01:26:12,479
Speaker 2: companies like Meta, Google, even Apple. A whole smattering of

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01:26:13,240 --> 01:26:15,880
Speaker 2: other companies that we haven't even heard of that are

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01:26:15,920 --> 01:26:19,080
Speaker 2: just trying to mine our data so they can sell

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01:26:19,120 --> 01:26:22,479
Speaker 2: products to us or just sell our data to other people.

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Speaker 2: That is an enormous part of the concern about privacy

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01:26:28,320 --> 01:26:31,720
Speaker 2: and surveillance that we are confronted with in twenty twenty five,

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01:26:31,920 --> 01:26:36,560
Speaker 2: and it is completely absent in this movie that purports

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01:26:36,640 --> 01:26:39,799
Speaker 2: to be saying something about surveillance. It's just like an

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01:26:39,920 --> 01:26:41,160
Speaker 2: unforgivable omission.

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01:26:41,400 --> 01:26:43,840
Speaker 1: And as if all of the different messages the movie

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01:26:43,880 --> 01:26:45,840
Speaker 1: is trying to grapple what it did not ring hollow

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01:26:45,960 --> 01:26:49,040
Speaker 1: enough that omission. You can't take any of this seriously

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01:26:49,120 --> 01:26:50,759
Speaker 1: with that being such a glaring omission.

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01:26:51,720 --> 01:26:55,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. And I did really struggle to take this

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01:26:55,760 --> 01:26:58,519
Speaker 2: movie seriously. And one of the questions I keep asking

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01:26:58,640 --> 01:27:02,720
Speaker 2: is like, are the al Eating's a metaphor and if so,

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01:27:03,200 --> 01:27:05,920
Speaker 2: a metaphor for what? Like are they a metaphor for

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01:27:05,960 --> 01:27:10,840
Speaker 2: intrusive government, for private entities that want to surveil our data?

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01:27:11,240 --> 01:27:15,840
Speaker 2: Or capitalism? Like it feels like they have to be

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01:27:15,880 --> 01:27:19,599
Speaker 2: a metaphor for something, and yet I have no idea

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01:27:19,760 --> 01:27:23,479
Speaker 2: what it might be. I'm just left grasping at common

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01:27:24,000 --> 01:27:29,960
Speaker 2: metaphors that sloppy movies use, you know, like, oh, it's capitalism,

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01:27:30,000 --> 01:27:33,960
Speaker 2: it's society. But I don't know, maybe they're just aliens.

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Speaker 1: Maybe the real data eating aliens or the friends they

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Speaker 1: made along the way.

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01:27:37,560 --> 01:27:42,920
Speaker 2: Maybe are friend's bad? Are my friends gonna eat my data?

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01:27:43,560 --> 01:27:47,120
Speaker 1: So the reviews of this movie are a delight to read.

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01:27:47,560 --> 01:27:48,559
Speaker 1: Can I read you one?

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01:27:49,800 --> 01:27:51,639
Speaker 2: You know what? I was reading ahead on our script

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01:27:51,680 --> 01:27:54,040
Speaker 2: and I misread that as we got to read some

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01:27:54,160 --> 01:27:56,720
Speaker 2: bad news and I was like, oh, no, is she

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01:27:56,800 --> 01:27:59,559
Speaker 2: going to talk about any number of terrible things? I mean,

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01:27:59,640 --> 01:28:02,000
Speaker 2: but no, want to read some bad reviews. Absolutely, yeah,

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01:28:02,040 --> 01:28:04,040
Speaker 2: we got to read some bad reviews. Let's read some

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01:28:04,080 --> 01:28:07,920
Speaker 2: bad reviews and enjoy it. Let's have a good time.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So this is my favorite from Defector. To call

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01:28:11,840 --> 01:28:14,759
Speaker 1: this movie half assed would be to overstate its qualities

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01:28:14,800 --> 01:28:18,200
Speaker 1: by order of magnitude. There might literally never have been

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01:28:18,240 --> 01:28:22,000
Speaker 1: a less asked creative undertaking than this one, and thus

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01:28:22,040 --> 01:28:25,280
Speaker 1: it is entirely unworthy of your attention. In a world

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01:28:25,320 --> 01:28:27,920
Speaker 1: any less cynical than ours, War of the Worlds would

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01:28:27,920 --> 01:28:30,320
Speaker 1: have never been released. You should take its present on

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01:28:30,360 --> 01:28:32,439
Speaker 1: the home page of a streaming service that you pay

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01:28:32,520 --> 01:28:35,960
Speaker 1: for in real dollars as an insult. Maybe you consume

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01:28:36,000 --> 01:28:38,760
Speaker 1: some entertainment calories in early twenty twenty one that you're

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01:28:38,760 --> 01:28:41,760
Speaker 1: not proud of today, But it is time now for

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01:28:41,800 --> 01:28:44,519
Speaker 1: self respect and grown ups to reach a little higher

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01:28:44,560 --> 01:28:48,320
Speaker 1: for diversions that this or that diabolically conceived the tension

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01:28:48,360 --> 01:28:52,520
Speaker 1: scam manages to stumble into moments of viral grade entertainment value.

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01:28:52,720 --> 01:28:55,519
Speaker 1: Does not mean that you should sacrifice to it any

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01:28:55,560 --> 01:29:00,960
Speaker 1: of the irreplaceable moments of your one precious life. Skip it, man. Still,

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01:29:01,560 --> 01:29:04,799
Speaker 1: I cannot deny that I felt some affection for poor

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01:29:04,960 --> 01:29:08,000
Speaker 1: lost ice Cube during the final acts of this mess.

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01:29:08,360 --> 01:29:13,040
Speaker 1: There he was schlubby, physically creaky, hysterically wayward along multiple

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01:29:13,040 --> 01:29:16,600
Speaker 1: acts of existence, rattling around and abandoned. We work like

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01:29:16,640 --> 01:29:19,800
Speaker 1: the universe's most screwed ghost, and the two of us

1632
01:29:19,960 --> 01:29:23,360
Speaker 1: having paid the much greater cost for having arrived together

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01:29:23,920 --> 01:29:27,439
Speaker 1: at this moment. And then that review is filed under

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01:29:27,520 --> 01:29:30,400
Speaker 1: the tags ice Cube and bad art.

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01:29:31,360 --> 01:29:34,280
Speaker 2: So that's good art. That's an artful review.

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01:29:34,479 --> 01:29:36,439
Speaker 1: That's a good art about bad art.

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01:29:37,040 --> 01:29:41,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the reviewer is right. I totally agree. We

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01:29:41,840 --> 01:29:45,080
Speaker 2: deserve better, We need to demand better. We can't just

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01:29:45,280 --> 01:29:49,960
Speaker 2: keep watching the worst of the worst. We got to

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01:29:50,040 --> 01:29:51,240
Speaker 2: raise the bar here, Come.

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01:29:51,080 --> 01:29:54,840
Speaker 1: On, people, Yeah, we deserve art like Problem Child and

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01:29:54,960 --> 01:29:57,360
Speaker 1: Police Academy for and the garbage pail.

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01:29:57,200 --> 01:29:59,519
Speaker 2: Coupesoo, maybe we should just give up.

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01:29:59,560 --> 01:30:02,600
Speaker 1: I don't know, Mike, I know you didn't want to

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01:30:02,600 --> 01:30:05,200
Speaker 1: do this episode. Thanks for being a trooper, and thanks

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01:30:05,200 --> 01:30:08,320
Speaker 1: for folks who I don't know validated this delusion that

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01:30:08,360 --> 01:30:09,280
Speaker 1: this would be a good idea.

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01:30:09,840 --> 01:30:11,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was fun. I'm glad we did it. I

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01:30:11,920 --> 01:30:13,880
Speaker 2: really appreciate the people who took the time to write

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01:30:13,880 --> 01:30:15,519
Speaker 2: in and tell us they wanted us to do it

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01:30:15,560 --> 01:30:19,160
Speaker 2: and share their thoughts about it. You know, I complained

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01:30:19,160 --> 01:30:21,920
Speaker 2: a lot, but it was actually fun. It's always fun

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01:30:21,960 --> 01:30:23,960
Speaker 2: to do something like this with you, Bridget, and I

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01:30:23,960 --> 01:30:25,519
Speaker 2: hope listeners enjoyed it too.

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Speaker 1: Got a story about an interesting thing in tech. I

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Speaker 1: just want to say hi. You can reach us at

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01:30:34,200 --> 01:30:36,919
Speaker 1: Hello at Tegodi dot com. You can also find transcripts

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01:30:36,920 --> 01:30:39,360
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Speaker 1: as our executive producer. Tari Harrison is our producer and

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