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Speaker 1: Hi, Welcome to the Short Stuff Podcast. I'm Josh, there's Charles,

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Speaker 1: there's Jerome, and this is again the short Stuff Podcast.

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Speaker 1: This one, in particular, is the short Stuff podcast where

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Speaker 1: we discussed thread counts in betting. Let's begin. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: this this one reeks of typical stuff you should know,

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Speaker 1: and that occasionally we will we will bust a myth

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Speaker 1: or two and bust a move that probably Yeah, that

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Speaker 1: probably might disappoint some folks like Dr Seuss lovers. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: when we we pooped all over his early career. But

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Speaker 1: now we're gonna poop on thread count because thread count

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Speaker 1: has become one of these things starting in like the

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Speaker 1: early two thousand's when you would literally see thread counts

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Speaker 1: of a thousand. Uh, it became one of those numbers.

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Speaker 1: And uh, they pointed out in this house stuff works

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Speaker 1: articles like i Q or gas mileage or something where

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Speaker 1: no one thought about anything but that number was like, oh, well,

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Speaker 1: it's a thousand. It's got to be better than the

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Speaker 1: eight hundred, which is better than the six hundred, which

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Speaker 1: is better than the three hundred. And I mean, do

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Speaker 1: you know where that came from the whole thread count thing.

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Speaker 1: It's not like thread count hadn't been a factor before,

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Speaker 1: but it was like an industry thing, and somehow I

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Speaker 1: got brought out to the consumer I'm guessing by some

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Speaker 1: yuppie scum who boasted about their thread count somewhere, maybe

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Speaker 1: a movie or on a TV show, and then it

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Speaker 1: just kind of took off from there. Yeah. Here's the

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Speaker 1: disappointing revelation everyone. What I read is not in this article,

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Speaker 1: but I read in a different one that anything over

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Speaker 1: four hundred. Well, first of all, thread count is the

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Speaker 1: number of horizontal, horizontal or in vertical threads per square inch. Yep.

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Speaker 1: So if you cut a square inch out of your sheet,

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Speaker 1: get a microscope and count every single one of the threads,

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Speaker 1: not where they crossed or anything like that, but just

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Speaker 1: the individual threads. That's your thread count, and it's just added.

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Speaker 1: There's no weird formula. Horizontal uh plus vertical. Well, you

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Speaker 1: also do the square root of pie right in the

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Speaker 1: middle of it, right, just for fun. Uh. Here's the

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Speaker 1: dirty secret though, Apparently anything over four hundred is just

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Speaker 1: bogus because a square inch is a square inch. There's

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Speaker 1: only so much thread you can fit in it. And

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Speaker 1: what I read was that four d is that number

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Speaker 1: without getting manipulative. Okay, alright, so what I read is

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Speaker 1: that you can exceed that number without getting manipulative. But

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Speaker 1: you want to exceed that number, you have to use smaller,

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Speaker 1: thinner and thinner fibers. But that's manipulative. I guess it's manipulative.

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Speaker 1: But but you, yes it is, but um, but you

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Speaker 1: can like there's also outright manipulation where there's just not

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Speaker 1: that many fibers and there's threat. Okay, all right, but

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Speaker 1: you if you use thinner and thinner fibers to fit

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Speaker 1: more and more threads into that square inch, you're you're

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Speaker 1: giving the thread count that you're saying, but it's not

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Speaker 1: necessarily going to be a better sheet. Um. It might

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Speaker 1: feel pretty nice because what you're doing is creating like

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Speaker 1: one really solid piece of material, but because the thread

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Speaker 1: you're using is so thin, it might not be quite

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Speaker 1: as durable. Those threads might break more easily, leading to fraying. Pilling.

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Speaker 1: Pilling is the worst. UM. It might just catch fire spontaneously.

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Speaker 1: It might suck the life out of you while you're

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Speaker 1: while you're sleeping. There's a lot of things that can

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Speaker 1: go wrong if the threads of your sheets, UM snap

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Speaker 1: in the middle of the night. Yeah. So there's a

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Speaker 1: woman named Lexi Sachs who works at the Good Housekeeping Institute,

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Speaker 1: and she says in this article the sweet spot is

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Speaker 1: between three hundred and five hundred, or anywhere from three

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Speaker 1: hundred to five hundred because because higher than at then

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Speaker 1: it the cotton becomes thin. Because, like you said, that

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Speaker 1: probably means they're using thinner thread just to get that

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Speaker 1: number up. Um. But what you're looking for is a

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Speaker 1: It depends on who you are, But if you want

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Speaker 1: a soft and durable sheet, then you wanted to be

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Speaker 1: in that four range, right, which is great. I they

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Speaker 1: don't even like mention thread counts much anymore, do they.

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Speaker 1: I haven't bought sheets in a while, but I bet

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Speaker 1: it's still a thing. Okay, But I think one of

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Speaker 1: the reasons it used to be, like whether you were

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Speaker 1: And one of the reasons it's subsided is because we'll

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Speaker 1: the reasons it's subsided is because again, some people were

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Speaker 1: just straight up perpetrating outright fraud, purpen fraud. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's uh, it is weird. I don't hear as much

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Speaker 1: Like I remember thinking like, oh my god, I don't

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Speaker 1: That became the pickup line. It It replaced what's your sign,

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Speaker 1: I've got eight hundred threadcounts. She's so we were all

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Speaker 1: duped for a while. Um, But it really kind of

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Speaker 1: depends if you're shopping on what you're after in a sheet,

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Speaker 1: uh for me for sure. Sometimes people cotton to those

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Speaker 1: or yeah, I think it's even like more satiny than satin. Okay, Well,

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Speaker 1: supposedly a setine we've will float the yarn over a

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Speaker 1: So what about per kale, I'm not I don't even

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Speaker 1: like a crisp, sturdy cotton weave. It's kind of like

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Speaker 1: a basket we've um. But it's funny how like you

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Speaker 1: certain types of weaves, gonna get totally different fields. And

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Speaker 1: it is it's it's totally personal preference. I'm sure when

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Speaker 1: like your your nuts, Clark. I love Jersey. Who doesn't

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Speaker 1: just it grabs hold. So what they recommend is like

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Speaker 1: But that is supposedly a big anti tangler is satin sheet. Yeah, um,

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Speaker 1: it's a small indulgence. I like it, but it's the yeah, right,

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Speaker 1: I'd slip off the bed or something exactly because I'd

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Speaker 1: wear my silk pajamas. Silk on silk. You know what

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Speaker 1: that means. Well, yeah, your toast, you're just gonna keep

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Speaker 1: sliding indefinitely until a car like stops you. So everyone's

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Speaker 1: getting duped. It's in the two thousand's. Uh, they start

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Speaker 1: because there's no FTC mandate on how to determine thread count,

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Speaker 1: and you can't be like tagged for false advertising. Well,

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Speaker 1: what they were doing also was they were saying, oh, well,

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Speaker 1: we're using two ply cotton threads, which is two thin

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Speaker 1: of cotton. So we have three hundred of those in

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Speaker 1: International Trade Commission heard some complaints and they actually authorized

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Speaker 1: customs agents around the world to see sheets sheets shipments again,

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Speaker 1: to see sheets shipments bam man, that's a tough one. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're not Egyptian cotton. So if you go into a

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Speaker 1: runaway screaming. Well, unless it's it costs you a pretty

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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, it's true in this day and age.

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Speaker 1: But at a time I think if you bought sheets

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Speaker 1: from a brand, a very trustworthy brand, and they were

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Speaker 1: expensive sheets, you would think you're probably getting what you're

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Speaker 1: paying for. This. This article from House to works Um says,

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Speaker 1: if you see Egyptian cotton and it's inexpensive, you're probably

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Speaker 1: not getting Egyptian cotton. I'm surprised there's not an an

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Speaker 1: app delivery service called sheety Oh. I'll bet there's going

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Speaker 1: to be in about two weeks now. All right, just

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Speaker 1: give us a small cut, that's all I ask. Did

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Speaker 1: they ever though, Chuck whenever you come up with these

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Speaker 1: ideas that they did shark name, do ever give you

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Speaker 1: any I got no Sharknado money. You got no sugar

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Speaker 1: from Sharknado? Nope? Did you seize the sheets from Sharknado sugar?

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Speaker 1: I don't even know what that means. It doesn't mean anything.

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Speaker 1: I got nothing else. I haven't had anything else for

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Speaker 1: about thirty seconds. So let's end this, okay. If you

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