Speaker 1: Of the law and Order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable.
Speaker 2: We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the
Speaker 2: vicious felonies. These episodes are based on.
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Speaker 3: Hello, that's messed up an SVU podcast.
Speaker 1: I'm Liza Traeger, I'm Kara Klank and every week it's SVU,
Speaker 1: it's crime, it's guests, and it's chatting.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: Well right now I'm getting texts from my niece and
Speaker 2: all caps. I love everything. Thank you so much. I
Speaker 2: literally screamed when I opened it. You know, I got
Speaker 2: her the v Man Connor Story magazine. But of course
Speaker 2: I got her. You know, I got her a catnet magazine.
Speaker 2: I didn't know about this, but the bookstore that I'm
Speaker 2: friendly with they have a cat Nip and a horse
Speaker 2: Girl magazine for teen girls.
Speaker 1: So I got her cat There are magazines for girls
Speaker 1: that are enthusiasts of cats and horses.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so one is called Catnip and the others called
Speaker 2: horse Girl.
Speaker 3: Oh I go, oh my god.
Speaker 2: I was like, I don't know if I have a
Speaker 2: horse girl in my life. Of course I have a
Speaker 2: horse girl in my life. I'm sending it today.
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't know any horse girls, but
Speaker 1: horse Girl. It's also a band, right, there's a band
Speaker 1: called horse Girl. I have no idea. I have no idea.
Speaker 1: I mean, I didn't know about this man. They're from
Speaker 1: chag until yesterday. Honey, all girl band from Chicago. Oh
Speaker 1: all girls.
Speaker 2: I was like, you know, I don't know about bands,
Speaker 2: but sorry, I knew she would love it. I love
Speaker 2: the postal service and I'm so happy.
Speaker 1: Congrats to Nissi for getting a nice gift.
Speaker 3: That's fun.
Speaker 2: And she has my dad's old Flyers jacket, which is like,
Speaker 2: I just love from the nineties, and wow, he got
Speaker 2: it because with that warehouse of fashions, it's not like
Speaker 2: we knew what the Flyers were.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I like this.
Speaker 1: Sometimes, you know, even a broken clock is right twice
Speaker 1: a day, right, like sometimes you stumble onto some fashions
Speaker 1: at the old.
Speaker 2: You know, you know what I wish we still had.
Speaker 2: I had a Ninja turtle sleeping bag. Oh what I
Speaker 2: would kill the fucking habit.
Speaker 1: The colors were so vibrant, so vibrant.
Speaker 3: Low, are you what's up? You set off?
Speaker 4: Pod?
Speaker 3: That Rosie started baseball, right.
Speaker 1: She's starting she had to do a she had to
Speaker 1: do a evaluation, which I was like, oh no, this
Speaker 1: is gonna be really bad because she's.
Speaker 3: Like never played before.
Speaker 1: But it was literally like just running to first base
Speaker 1: and she was she can do that. Like so we're
Speaker 1: seeing you know, they have them do an evaluation.
Speaker 3: I think I call your daughter this bitch.
Speaker 2: But Rosie is gonna have so much fun sliding and
Speaker 2: like running. I think she's gonna get dirty and have
Speaker 2: a good ass time. Yeah, here's the thing. I'm trying
Speaker 2: to figure out what to do about her fucking hair.
Speaker 2: She won't let me tie it up. Her hair's never
Speaker 2: tied up, it's down, it's longer than ever, and would
Speaker 2: she could she do you know, like like an around
Speaker 2: headband just to get it out here and then it
Speaker 2: can just flight because early hair and sports do that.
Speaker 3: They like, yeah, they just head band or like sports
Speaker 3: headband the curls.
Speaker 1: But like it can't be anything too tight, so then
Speaker 1: will it really keep the curls.
Speaker 3: I'm like, if the coach tells you.
Speaker 1: You have to tie your hair up, you have to
Speaker 1: tie it up, And she said okay, she said okay on.
Speaker 2: That because even this, like this might well she can't
Speaker 2: do plastic because that's injury prone.
Speaker 1: But like, yeah, she also wouldn't. She also wouldn't. She's
Speaker 1: so sensory with like her different. She wears baggy clothes,
Speaker 1: the hair is down.
Speaker 2: I'm with her, I wear baggy clothes. Yeah, can she
Speaker 2: What about a banana?
Speaker 3: What about? What about this? What about gripping it like this?
Speaker 3: Oh I've tried.
Speaker 1: I think even the teeth of those looks looks scary
Speaker 1: to her.
Speaker 2: But listen, she's down on her side, my fucking soul
Speaker 2: cycle teacher today, hair down, flowing. She's a maniac.
Speaker 1: I can't when I see people working out with their
Speaker 1: hair down, I'm like, how are you doing that? Like
Speaker 1: I just can't have it a minute. I can't have
Speaker 1: a strand on my neck or I like can't breathe,
Speaker 1: Like I just I don't know how people are doing it.
Speaker 1: But anyway, she's going to do baseball. That's gonna be exciting.
Speaker 1: I don't know what else go.
Speaker 2: Back, because like we still go to the when we
Speaker 2: played sports, we'd go to the athletic like trainer's office
Speaker 2: and we would take like material that they make lubricant
Speaker 2: things out it. We would we would like make hair
Speaker 2: ties out of fabric that they had at the athletic office.
Speaker 2: But it wasn't foam, but it was some sort of
Speaker 2: material and we like would tie it behind and we
Speaker 2: like loved using their materials for our headbands.
Speaker 3: Interesting, that's what's.
Speaker 1: In my head.
Speaker 2: And it was soft. I just I have to contact
Speaker 2: an athletic trainer. I don't I don't remember what it was.
Speaker 2: There was like a roll of somebody. It was what
Speaker 2: to wrap the ankle with. It's like if you were
Speaker 2: wrapping your ankle, you would wrap it with this material
Speaker 2: and we would take like it like not.
Speaker 1: Like an ace, but the thing that's like it. It
Speaker 1: heathsives to itself in a way.
Speaker 2: Yes, but it's foamysh Yes, but not but yeah, So
Speaker 2: we would make headbands out of them.
Speaker 3: It's like what they give you when you give blood.
Speaker 3: They like wrap it around your arm.
Speaker 1: I'm tattooed. I can't really give blood. I'm like constantly,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's still a rule. I think so,
Speaker 1: I I think so. But I'll give blood if they
Speaker 1: want it. I mean, I'll do it. I always just
Speaker 1: you guys want it. They want it. They're calling me
Speaker 1: every other day. I've had to block the Red Cross.
Speaker 1: I'm like, guys, I'm giving on a regular schedule. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm like, stop, I'm giving on a regular schedule. Stop
Speaker 1: calling me. They call me the two days after I've given.
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's actually against a medical advice. What okay? Well,
Speaker 1: so yesterday I went drinking at like happy hour.
Speaker 2: And then on switching bars, we stopped at one of
Speaker 2: my favorite little trinket stores, little gift stores, little pop culture,
Speaker 2: little sticker stores. I go in, I get a bunch
Speaker 2: of stickers, and the woman working goes, wow, you got
Speaker 2: all the new ones. I go, honey, I'm a regular.
Speaker 2: I come to She goes, yeah, you grabbed every single
Speaker 2: new one. I go, I know what I'm doing here.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it was like an exciting day, and I
Speaker 2: came back. I came back today to get more. Did
Speaker 2: I get on Olivia Benson? I sure did? Olivia Benson sticker?
Speaker 2: Oh that's a good one. Miley Cyrus sticker, Taylor Swift,
Speaker 2: Oh my god, about two I'm sick.
Speaker 3: Okay, death becomes her sticker. Wait, do I have that sticker?
Speaker 3: I think I have that.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm sure I gave it to you, but it's smaller,
Speaker 1: it's smaller size.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: And then this is the this is look it looks
Speaker 2: like little training cards.
Speaker 1: It's Shane and Ilios sports cards. Well I bought a few,
Speaker 1: so yeah. And then it's them in their turtle necks
Speaker 1: or turtle neck outfits. So pretty exciting, pretty exciting at
Speaker 1: the sticker store. But then I went today and I
Speaker 1: showed her. I was like, you like keat a rivalry?
Speaker 1: She said, yes, I showed her my Simpsons things. She said,
Speaker 1: she's going to spread it through let people know about it.
Speaker 1: Have you been dipping in to I will tell you
Speaker 1: one of two controversies I've been following away with on
Speaker 1: the internet.
Speaker 3: I can't wait. One is the Lindy West stuff. Have
Speaker 3: you heard any of this? Yes, I've had two friends.
Speaker 2: Actually texted Ashley Hamilton of Good noticing is going girl.
Speaker 2: I made your input immediately. I just got the text
Speaker 2: in Julia read an article about I mean, we're looking.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to read it. I heard that's I
Speaker 2: heard upsetting things. Yeah, I heard upsetting things. Well it
Speaker 2: was interesting to me because and I'm sorry you couldn't
Speaker 2: see the stickers, guys.
Speaker 1: I only showed Kara it is what it is. They're
Speaker 1: exactly what you imagine. They're the stickers that you're imagining,
Speaker 1: like you know they are. I mean those they're like
Speaker 1: little trading cards ones are really cute like but yeah,
Speaker 1: so I like have read Lindy for a long time,
Speaker 1: like not her books, but I would always read her
Speaker 1: Jezebel and I really liked Shrill and uh that's you know,
Speaker 1: her TV show that's based on her book.
Speaker 2: And to me as a stand up she was always
Speaker 2: annoying because she like went after a few people for
Speaker 2: jokes that she just it wasn't good points. I remember
Speaker 2: how on Camal Bells show, who I think is annoying too,
Speaker 2: but like they were arguing about stuff like the jokes
Speaker 2: she had an issue with bothered me.
Speaker 1: But maybe yeah they're back. I like I remember being
Speaker 1: annoyed by her.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So the gist of it for anyone that doesn't know
Speaker 1: what we're talking about is like she's this like blogger
Speaker 1: who was like very popular in like the aughts and
Speaker 1: the ten Jezabel years, the Jezebel years, like big feminist
Speaker 1: blogger wrote the book Shrill that was made into a
Speaker 1: TV show with Adie Bryant, on Hulu. Then she's wrote
Speaker 1: written this other book. So what happened essentially was her
Speaker 1: husband cheated on her, and then when she found out,
Speaker 1: he basically was like, oh, I need to be Polly,
Speaker 1: and I told you that when we first got together,
Speaker 1: Like I told you that that I want to be Polly.
Speaker 1: But then he just went ahead and cheated, Like being
Speaker 1: Polly is not just going but I told you a
Speaker 1: while ago I was interested in being Polly, so I
Speaker 1: can just kind of enact the Pollyism whenever I want.
Speaker 1: That's not really how it works. So then she eventually
Speaker 1: so he was like, so this is my girlfriend. Now
Speaker 1: either take it or leave it, essentially, and then she
Speaker 1: eventually ended up. And I'm paraphrasing guys like I'm not
Speaker 1: like the historian on this issue.
Speaker 3: She eventually got in touch.
Speaker 1: With the girl and then they started they basically started
Speaker 1: a throatle like they so now they're in a throat
Speaker 1: ble and what people they wrote this book together or
Speaker 1: he wrote this book. She wrote this book, and he's like,
Speaker 1: I'm very instrumental in the book. I'm very important to
Speaker 1: the book, like I helped her.
Speaker 3: The whole way. And it's like, but then you didn't.
Speaker 1: See that this was the backlash was going to come
Speaker 1: from this, that people think that you're a piece of
Speaker 1: shit because you cheated on her and then you kind
Speaker 1: of like held her hostage in the marriage to do
Speaker 1: Polly with you like or that people. He basically says
Speaker 1: that if you're I think, he says. So. Anyway, they
Speaker 1: went a podcast referenced the book and said some stuff
Speaker 1: about him, but I guess was pretty fair and was
Speaker 1: just kind of like giving their honest opinion, and he
Speaker 1: wrote her a really shitty email telling her how fucked
Speaker 1: up it was that she wrote all this bad stuff
Speaker 1: about him, and like obviously she yeah, because people don't
Speaker 1: like what happened because it doesn't seem like and she
Speaker 1: read the email on the podcast do It Oh whoa,
Speaker 1: Which that's why.
Speaker 3: That's what intrigued me.
Speaker 1: Was like like getting people into your podcast via gossip,
Speaker 1: like you know what I mean. Like it was like
Speaker 1: they basically said, we got an email from this guy
Speaker 1: after this interview.
Speaker 3: If you want to hear it, it's on this week's episode.
Speaker 1: And so everybody was like racing to the episode to
Speaker 1: listen and to read this, to hear this shitty email about.
Speaker 3: This do you like, what is it? Who was it?
Speaker 1: It's called I See Why am I? Or in case
Speaker 1: you missed it, Slight's podcast about internet culture.
Speaker 2: Okay, and so the way did you listen? Did you
Speaker 2: know the email? What is the email?
Speaker 3: I can read the email.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my friend just said it didn't seem like she
Speaker 2: really wanted this, and that it seems a little desk
Speaker 2: or like sad to stay in the thing that you're
Speaker 2: forced into that you weren't into, and like.
Speaker 1: That.
Speaker 2: Even the social media posts that he does of the
Speaker 2: girlfriend versus how he treats Lindy seems different, like I
Speaker 2: don't want to speak on just hear sating.
Speaker 1: He also like really centers himself, like he talks about
Speaker 1: how like the book, he was so instrumental in the
Speaker 1: book being written, Like he makes it about him like
Speaker 1: this man is a jazz musician, Like I don't think
Speaker 1: he makes like I'm just saying like I don't think
Speaker 1: he this. I think Lindy is his provider, like and
Speaker 1: then he has to bring in like this other person
Speaker 1: like I'm not against Polly.
Speaker 3: I have friends that are like it's totally fine. I'm
Speaker 3: against it.
Speaker 1: I'm against it, you're against May go on the record
Speaker 1: that I'm I'm very against it personally.
Speaker 3: I yeah.
Speaker 2: To me, it's like there's other people, like, there's other ways.
Speaker 2: Like to me, I don't like the word. It's like
Speaker 2: you could just fuck a lot of people and be cool,
Speaker 2: Like people are just cool.
Speaker 3: Polly is losers.
Speaker 1: To me, it's like like that, Okay, you don't like
Speaker 1: what the name, what the word represents, but like to me,
Speaker 1: you're a loser, and we're thinking of a particular person
Speaker 1: I know we are, and I think he's a loser,
Speaker 1: and I think he should stay home with his wife
Speaker 1: and childs okay, and not be going on dates with
Speaker 1: random people.
Speaker 3: It sickens me. I don't know what to tell you.
Speaker 1: Listen, Well, there's open and then there's Polly, Right, Like,
Speaker 1: so what is it? Because open carry into open because
Speaker 1: that's cool people, that's cool. Open is cool. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: Polly is. You're playing like weird little games.
Speaker 2: You're playing Settlers of Catan, you're at a little you're
Speaker 2: having Chai Ti lattes, and you're doing weird sex. Like
Speaker 2: I don't I'm not interested. But I also know this
Speaker 2: other couple. They're always having threesomes and the girls seems
Speaker 2: really upset about it, and I'm like, I don't think
Speaker 2: this is like what your life should be.
Speaker 3: She's like, yeah, the girl was so hot. I hated her.
Speaker 2: I'm like, that's crazy that that's your sex life. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like you should also be like, oh she's hot, let's fuck.
Speaker 2: Like like cool people fuck each other, Polly. People need
Speaker 2: rules and discussions and Greek mythology brought in. Like I
Speaker 2: don't get it. Yeah, write me a d give me
Speaker 2: a one star. I don't give a fuck. But I mean,
Speaker 2: like I'm open. You should have the right to do
Speaker 2: whatever you want. Yeah, you can do whatever you want it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't think it's criminal. I'll support I will I
Speaker 2: will die for your right to be able to be Polly.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Anyway, I'm holding my hall out of my stickers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm organizing way to eating rivalry stickers, calling these people losers.
Speaker 3: But I don't know.
Speaker 1: Basically, he's mad that people are like boiling him down
Speaker 1: to a cheater, and like, I mean, I think in
Speaker 1: one forum he said that like if you're anti poly,
Speaker 1: you're racist.
Speaker 3: Or something like that.
Speaker 1: He's been saying wild shit and his sister I didn't
Speaker 1: realize is the woman who wrote So you want to
Speaker 1: talk about Race? That book that like was very popular,
Speaker 1: like around the pandemic, like twenty twenty. Oh, okay, anyway,
Speaker 1: I think it's like you can do whatever you want.
Speaker 1: I think that people directly feel that this man is like,
Speaker 1: has narcissistic tendencies and sort of back door guilted his
Speaker 1: wife into getting into a poly relationship. Now they're all
Speaker 1: kind of trying to present that they're happy in it.
Speaker 3: I just think it's.
Speaker 1: Wild that nobody along the whole process of writing a book,
Speaker 1: which as I can understand it from friends who have
Speaker 1: written books, is a long process with drafts and editors
Speaker 1: and a lot of people weighing in, and nobody was like,
Speaker 1: this is gonna come off really bad.
Speaker 3: Like nobody they are.
Speaker 1: Actually she's probably denial too.
Speaker 3: I don't know. The cover is weird.
Speaker 1: I'm just I don't know. I don't know, but that's
Speaker 1: what I felt.
Speaker 2: Re talking about the thing I have known nothing about,
Speaker 2: but I guess I found a.
Speaker 3: Way to do well.
Speaker 1: It was a little bit of it was a little
Speaker 1: bit of goss on the internet that's been taking over
Speaker 1: my life. But then also the Chapel Rome stuff seems
Speaker 1: to be like really blowing up about the soccer player
Speaker 1: and Jude Law's daughter. It's not Jude Law. It's Jude
Speaker 1: Law's daughter. I thought it was a soccer guy. It's
Speaker 1: soccer guy's stepdaughter. He's dating Jude Law's X. The girl,
Speaker 1: the little kid is Jude Law's daughter. I don't know
Speaker 1: if Jude has entered the chat. I like don't know
Speaker 1: actually if Jude has weighed in at all.
Speaker 2: No, but this one video where it's like, listen, I
Speaker 2: saw Chapel Roone like shove a woman on a carpet
Speaker 2: that like worked for like a pr woman, like a
Speaker 2: young black woman. Like I saw the video of her
Speaker 2: shove and that's when I was like, I don't really
Speaker 2: like you, Like I don't like you shoving a person.
Speaker 2: You know, she's gen z, she whatever, she annoys me
Speaker 2: in whatever ways. But someone was like, no one from
Speaker 2: the Epstein list.
Speaker 3: Is a band. The mayor is like, you'll never come
Speaker 3: here again.
Speaker 2: It's like everyone's a rapist, every man an athlete, like
Speaker 2: go fuck yourself. Same with like the bachelorette stuff. It's like, okay,
Speaker 2: she can't have a show. Of course, the domestic violence
Speaker 2: is serious but it's like all athletes beat their fucking
Speaker 2: wives like fuck you, Like I will never think a
Speaker 2: woman is worse than a man. Ever, men are worse.
Speaker 2: And so it's the Catherine Heigel who ended up being
Speaker 2: maga and weird, Like, I don't I think Chapel Rone's annoying.
Speaker 2: I don't know what's gonna happen with her? Is she
Speaker 2: the most annoying? Was it security?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but I just would rather hate on
Speaker 2: like men. Yeah, yes, important to me and fucked a nanny.
Speaker 2: That's he should be banned from Brazil. You know what
Speaker 2: I mean?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's so true.
Speaker 1: Everybody's been saying that, they're like wow, like Taylor Frankie
Speaker 1: Paul is getting I'll be honest, but you also.
Speaker 3: Don't have to be famous.
Speaker 2: Someone I saw this online and we talk like if
Speaker 2: Taylor wants to be seen, she's seen. She doesn't want
Speaker 2: to be seen. Guess what, we don't see her. Yeah,
Speaker 2: So it's like Chapel, you don't want to be famous.
Speaker 2: You don't have to do the red carpet. Julia Roberts
Speaker 2: doesn't do the carpet. People don't do the carpet. So like,
Speaker 2: if you don't want to be famous, babe, you can
Speaker 2: enter through the back.
Speaker 3: Rihanna.
Speaker 1: Yeah, look at Sea. Sea's there behind that wig. Get
Speaker 1: into it. So I don't like, you don't get to screw.
Speaker 1: Oh look everyone's taping. It's like you're going to a
Speaker 1: hot spot dinner. Paparazzi are there and if you don't
Speaker 1: want that, go order in.
Speaker 3: Bitch.
Speaker 2: You're rich, you're rich, hire a chef. It's a little
Speaker 2: it's a little annoying. I'm a hypocrite. I just said
Speaker 2: we shouldn't yell at women like this, but.
Speaker 3: Yes, no, I think it's.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's getting to a point where it's like we're
Speaker 1: hearing more about your need for privacy than we are
Speaker 1: about your archistree.
Speaker 2: I love that it's Jude Lah's daughter. Honestly, where's the
Speaker 2: Bengo cards? Like, I mean, it's so crazy. I always say,
Speaker 2: my dad Young looks like Jude Law. Like, my dad
Speaker 2: Young looked like jud Law. Oh really, it was a hottie.
Speaker 2: You go get some photos on the gram. I also
Speaker 2: was also Chapel was in the Sorry Interrupts. Was in
Speaker 2: the Hannah Montana special that I watched last night at
Speaker 2: three in the morning. Really, yeah, they have to sit
Speaker 2: down and Alex Cooper does the interview. I mean it
Speaker 2: was hard for me in a lot of ways, but
Speaker 2: I loved it. I missed Tannah Montana. I was just like,
Speaker 2: too old. I was like, I missed it. I did too.
Speaker 2: I came in for bangers, but I love her. I
Speaker 2: love her, so of course.
Speaker 5: I watched it.
Speaker 3: No, I know, you're Miley, Miley for one. So today
Speaker 3: it was so hard to get up.
Speaker 1: I didn't want to, but I was up, and I go,
Speaker 1: just get to soul Cycle, get to the weed shop,
Speaker 1: get to soul Cycle.
Speaker 3: You could do it.
Speaker 2: And the only thing keeping me through is Rachel loves Miley,
Speaker 2: and I go, she's gonna play Hannah Montana. It's the
Speaker 2: Miley Day.
Speaker 3: I show up. I go, girl, Miley or what because
Speaker 3: there's O'miley on the playlist?
Speaker 1: I go, are you on in your mind? I go
Speaker 1: the special came out last night. I go, what do
Speaker 1: you think I'm here for? And she did put one
Speaker 1: in for me. Thank you so much, Rachel shout out.
Speaker 1: Thank you for changing your plans, Rachel, thank you. She
Speaker 1: wrote Karen Guice instead, She's like, but listen, she made
Speaker 1: a mistake. At least she took accountability. She owned up
Speaker 1: to it.
Speaker 3: Wait, I know you are not really like a Mormon.
Speaker 1: Wives person, but I have been like what back to
Speaker 1: what you were saying before? This is like really crazy
Speaker 1: that the Bachelorette. I'm like confused about what's happening with
Speaker 1: the Boucherette because they hired her knowing that she had
Speaker 1: this domestic violence incident that she pled guilty to in.
Speaker 3: Twenty twenty three.
Speaker 1: They hired her knowing that, and then it was like
Speaker 1: he leaked the video. This man, I mean, she's guilty
Speaker 1: of her things. He is I think toxic and shitty
Speaker 1: as hell, this man Dakota. But he leaked this video
Speaker 1: to TMZ and now the show gets lost. I don't
Speaker 1: get it, Like why is ABC acting like they didn't know.
Speaker 2: Some people are saying the show never happened, it's all pressed.
Speaker 2: Some people are like they're losing one hundred million dollars,
Speaker 2: like everyone has like all these theories. I'm just so
Speaker 2: out of the universe that I you know, I saw
Speaker 2: the video. It's horrific. But like also the guys that
Speaker 2: were in it, like it is just it's all weird
Speaker 2: choices but.
Speaker 1: It's really weird also that this guy just sat on
Speaker 1: that video for two years.
Speaker 3: Just kept it.
Speaker 1: Of course they've been he's he's been on the TV show,
Speaker 1: he's done scenes with her, he's you know, like he's
Speaker 1: been doing life with and then waited until she was
Speaker 1: about to have a huge moment and released it. Like
Speaker 1: that's But also I heard there's like a new incident
Speaker 1: between so they need to just say they need to
Speaker 1: be like fully not allowed to be near each other.
Speaker 1: But ABC acting like they didn't know what was up
Speaker 1: is so weird to me. But everybody's like, this is
Speaker 1: millions of dollars in lost revenue and lost like expenses,
Speaker 1: So I don't get it. I think they're going to
Speaker 1: release it. I think they're gonna wait for this to
Speaker 1: die down and release it. Also, one of the contests
Speaker 1: on The Bachelor, one of our friends wrote this to
Speaker 1: be in a text thread goes also, did you guys
Speaker 1: know that one of the contestants on The Bachelor is
Speaker 1: the guy who was in the car accident with Madison Cawthorne,
Speaker 1: who is a Republican congress person who's paralyzed from the
Speaker 1: waist down. And I was like, I'm sorry, what like
Speaker 1: are you like? I was like, what is where are
Speaker 1: we living in? One of the recent contestants on The
Speaker 1: Bachelorette was in a car with a congressman when he
Speaker 1: was paralyzed.
Speaker 3: He fell asleep at the wheel. He was seventeen.
Speaker 1: He was driving the bachelor contestant and the guy, the congressman,
Speaker 1: had his feet up on the dashboard and they got
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Speaker 1: And at first he said that his friend left him
Speaker 1: there to die in a fiery inferno, but then he
Speaker 1: walked that back and now they're friends. And now the
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Speaker 1: like not even in Congress anymore.
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Speaker 3: Slash that's messed up. Yeah, we gotta get moving. That's
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Speaker 1: Season eighteen, episode eleven.
Speaker 2: Is I wonder why we picked this one. I wonder
Speaker 2: why we picked this one.
Speaker 1: This has a little bit This is int the zeitgeist
Speaker 1: with Casey actually helped shepherd this one to our attention.
Speaker 1: It's a little bit about about the hockey world. So
Speaker 1: we open in a hockey rink and young team players
Speaker 1: are just slapping that puck around. Parents are in the stands, cheering,
Speaker 1: but also looking angry and stressed. I just I'm having
Speaker 1: a hard time putting myself into a like carrying that
Speaker 1: hard weather. Your kids like like game, like they win
Speaker 1: their game. But I think that's why I'm not destined
Speaker 1: to be a support parent. But Rosie is about to
Speaker 1: start baseball, so we'll see what happens. Okay, So these
Speaker 1: teens are slapping the puck and Kyle. We hear kids
Speaker 1: going go Kyle, Go Kyle, and Kyle's heading for the goal.
Speaker 1: He passes to his teammate Jack, who sadly does not score.
Speaker 3: He boofs it. Everyone looks bummed.
Speaker 1: The moms in the sands are like, great, now he's
Speaker 1: gonna be upset, and the other mom is like, no,
Speaker 1: we win as a team.
Speaker 3: We lose as a team.
Speaker 1: And the dads are acting like, you know, all their
Speaker 1: happiness lives and dies with pee wee hockey or whatever
Speaker 1: the fuck this is. And the actor playing one of
Speaker 1: the dads is known to me. He was the dad
Speaker 1: in The Killing, which I was like a big fan of.
Speaker 1: I watched like to both seasons of The Killing, or
Speaker 1: maybe there were three. I think they're only two, which
Speaker 1: was like a true crime show, not a true crime show,
Speaker 1: like a crime show in Seattle or like Coastal Washington.
Speaker 3: It was just so rainy the whole time. But we
Speaker 3: loved it.
Speaker 1: And we think that this actor looks like our friend
Speaker 1: Sean Donnelly, who's a comedian, had a baby with Louis
Speaker 1: c K. So whenever I see him, I refer to
Speaker 1: this man as Shawnie c K. So Shawnie ce K's
Speaker 1: real name is Brent Sexton. And this man is working.
Speaker 1: He has one hundred credits. He's been on Bosh, he's
Speaker 1: been on Deadwood. You have seen him. He is out
Speaker 1: there and he is talking shit about the kid who
Speaker 1: missed the shot and his own son, Kyle, like Kyle
Speaker 1: shouldn't have passed, he should have taken the shot. And
Speaker 1: as the team gets off the ice, the dad's all
Speaker 1: like change their tune and they're all like, yeah, go
Speaker 1: white Caps. You guys got it. But Kyle and Jack
Speaker 1: look devastated. Okay, they look like, you know, you just
Speaker 1: killed their mom in front of them. So in the
Speaker 1: locker room, the coach is like very uninspiring and flat.
Speaker 3: He's pissed. He's like, I'm not gonna say anything else
Speaker 3: about the game. You know what you got to do.
Speaker 1: Practice tomorrow at noon, come ready to work. And after
Speaker 1: the coach leaves, two kids get up and starts screaming
Speaker 1: at Jake for missing the shots. They're like, what the fuck, man,
Speaker 1: you choked? And then Kyle breaks in to tell them
Speaker 1: to chill out, and Jack looks bummed and sad, you know, like,
Speaker 1: but Kyle is like, leave him alone. Stick. So we're thinking, oh, Kyle,
Speaker 1: star of the team, nice kid. But now Jack is
Speaker 1: leaving the rink with his mom and his hockey bag
Speaker 1: that he looks like he could fit two of him in,
Speaker 1: Like it's twice his size.
Speaker 2: And it's like skiing but ten times worse, like so
Speaker 2: much equipment, and it's smelly because you're just like in
Speaker 2: I honestly, I think if your kid's a hockey kid,
Speaker 2: you're being punished for sins from your past.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because rinks are only open super early, like baseball diamonds.
Speaker 1: You can get to those lots of different times of
Speaker 1: the day, you know, like rinks you have to be
Speaker 1: like it always feels like hockey so early in the morning.
Speaker 1: The shit smells because you can't just throw that stuff
Speaker 1: in the wash like you can like baseball pants or
Speaker 1: like whatever.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: It's like equipment, But I'm pro equipment. I don't want
Speaker 1: anyone getting a concussion anyway. So's so much work, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a lot.
Speaker 2: So I mean, that's why do you stand up? You need nothing.
Speaker 2: You really need nothing. If they even if all your
Speaker 2: luggage gets lost and you truly insane, you could still
Speaker 2: do it.
Speaker 3: Get up there.
Speaker 1: Even if there's no mic, which I hate when there's
Speaker 1: no mic, you can still do it.
Speaker 3: No, I let hey, you could really do whatever.
Speaker 2: Like I the idea of having to tune an instrument
Speaker 2: and then do a sound check and a rehar like
Speaker 2: I can't.
Speaker 4: I can't.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean we do do sound checks for our
Speaker 3: last shows. It's just I do them, okay.
Speaker 1: So Jack is like walking with this massive bag and
Speaker 1: his mom's like, god, you move like molasses. You're always
Speaker 1: the last one out. She's like, it's like, Mom, relax,
Speaker 1: the kid just like fucked the game. Kind of not
Speaker 1: that I agree with that. I think like I've always heard,
Speaker 1: I think I've said it on this podcast before, everybody's
Speaker 1: like for it to get well, No, I guess that's
Speaker 1: why you don't blame the goalie for letting a goal in,
Speaker 1: because it's like for it to get to the goalie,
Speaker 1: it had to get through all of you first, Right,
Speaker 1: But if you miss a shot, that's just you missing
Speaker 1: a shot, I guess. But you know you miss one
Speaker 1: hundred percent of the shots you don't take. As they
Speaker 1: say later in the su Well.
Speaker 2: Since I've been reading some hockey books, I will say
Speaker 2: that and a time to Shine, it's.
Speaker 3: About like.
Speaker 2: A goalie and like he saved forty and two went in,
Speaker 2: like forty shots he saved, right, Yeah, it's a lot.
Speaker 2: So it's like even if you let too in, it's
Speaker 2: like so impossible to do a full shutout. But yeah,
Speaker 2: it's the whole team. Like that's why loose dads shouldn't
Speaker 2: coach stuff. Yeah, needs to be people that understand like sportsmanship,
Speaker 2: working together, working as a team. You don't blame people
Speaker 2: all for what Like there's just like really great lessons
Speaker 2: to learn in sports, and these dads shouldn't be there.
Speaker 3: I think loose dads shouldn't coach. Stuff is merch to
Speaker 3: be honest. Okay.
Speaker 1: So Jack is like limping a little and the mom
Speaker 1: is like, did you get hurt like in the game,
Speaker 1: and he's like, I'm okay, and then he just fully
Speaker 1: collapses on top of his hockey bag on the ground
Speaker 1: and the mom is going to help him and she
Speaker 1: notices blood on the seat of his pants, like and
Speaker 1: she's like, where is that coming from?
Speaker 3: And you know, it's says to be so we know
Speaker 3: nowhere good.
Speaker 1: At the hospital, Careesy is filling in Benson that this
Speaker 1: kid is Jack Wilson. He's thirteen. He plays for the
Speaker 1: New York City white Caps. And Benson's like, what the
Speaker 1: fuck is that? And he's like it's the best used
Speaker 1: hockey program in the state and that the doc says
Speaker 1: that Jack has tearing in his rectum caused by a
Speaker 1: blunt instrument like a hockey stick. So Carise goes sounds
Speaker 1: like a hazing and Benson goes, no, that sounds like
Speaker 1: sexual assault, Like we got to start stop calling things.
Speaker 1: You know, sounds like a date gone wrong, sounds like
Speaker 1: a hazing, Like no, it's sexual assault, like somebody assaulted
Speaker 1: someone's body.
Speaker 3: So then it's credits.
Speaker 1: And now we're at Jack's hospital bedside and he's trying
Speaker 1: to downplay what happened, and his mom uses his first, middle,
Speaker 1: and last name and demands he tell the cops who
Speaker 1: did this, and Benson's like, mom, back off, like let
Speaker 1: me work my magic. I'm Olivia Benson. And she's like Jack, like,
Speaker 1: tell us what happened, and he's very I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't remember. I just fell, you know, like lie
Speaker 1: lies out the wazoo and Cariese hears him out, but
Speaker 1: then kind of like, oh, Cariese's like, okay, okay, so
Speaker 1: what you're telling me you got this injury from falling
Speaker 1: on the ice that led to rectal trauma, like you know,
Speaker 1: he doesn't say it like that, but it's like he's
Speaker 1: basically telling him, like I'm listening to you, but we
Speaker 1: gotta be realistic here, and Benson's like trying to be
Speaker 1: so gentle. She's like, you know, if you want to
Speaker 1: talk later, that's okay. We could talk later. And then
Speaker 1: Suddenly Jack zad arrives and the mom lays into him immediately,
Speaker 1: like he just had to be on the white Caps,
Speaker 1: huh like, And Benson brings the Bickersons outside and they
Speaker 1: keep it up, and the mom's like, I never even
Speaker 1: really wanted Jack on this team, and the dad's like,
Speaker 1: I was a white Cap when I was a kid.
Speaker 3: He loves it. And then he takes a.
Speaker 1: Dig at the cops, being like, well, he doesn't need
Speaker 1: two cops hanging around and crease. He's like, your son
Speaker 1: was sexually assaulted, and the dad's like, no, the doc
Speaker 1: said he's.
Speaker 3: Gonna be fine. It was a prank gone too far.
Speaker 1: It's like who sees their son bleeding in the hospital
Speaker 1: from his rectum and says, this is a prank gone
Speaker 1: too far, Like I don't know, I mean, unless you
Speaker 1: were like trying it, unless he did it to himself.
Speaker 3: A jackass scene.
Speaker 2: Did you see like hazing photo or video that was
Speaker 2: very weapons coded that came out like a month or
Speaker 2: two ago. No, it was just like I think it
Speaker 2: was an iweb but it was like all these frat
Speaker 2: bros just standing in a corner Blair Witch weird and
Speaker 2: it's like, yeah, like frats like haze these guys and
Speaker 2: then put them into submissions so they continue protecting each
Speaker 2: other forever.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, they have these secrets and weird things
Speaker 2: like dude, guys just need to fuck each other so
Speaker 2: we don't have to.
Speaker 3: Live in there.
Speaker 2: Like it's just like you're paddling like I don't know
Speaker 2: what you're raping this boy.
Speaker 3: Like you're like I can't, I can't, I can't.
Speaker 1: It's like how they say in scientology, they do your
Speaker 1: audit and then they keep it that they so that
Speaker 1: they can like keep you in. Like frat hazing is
Speaker 1: like it's like, yeah, you can leave the frat or
Speaker 1: you can tell on us for doing something bad, but
Speaker 1: we have photos of you, like naked eating mayonnaise on
Speaker 1: all fours. Like when I was in college, all the
Speaker 1: frat stuff that I've heard chat go to the chat,
Speaker 1: go to go look. Everything at my college for hazing
Speaker 1: that I ever heard about was food related. It was
Speaker 1: always like you've got to eat like a vat of mayonnaise.
Speaker 1: You got to eat all this nasty shit and it
Speaker 1: was okay, wait, oh I don't like this, so weapons yeah,
Speaker 1: but I've partied in basements that look just like that,
Speaker 1: and I feel really gross right now. Okay, a party
Speaker 1: that's like, I don't know, I know, it's creepy.
Speaker 3: Raise your kids not to want to be in frats. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So then as they're talking to this dad who's like,
Speaker 1: it's just a prank, Kyle and his dad Shawnee c
Speaker 1: k slash Jim.
Speaker 3: The dad's name is Jim.
Speaker 1: They walk up and we find out that Kyle is
Speaker 1: the star of the team, and Benson's like, did you
Speaker 1: see anything in the locker room and he goes, no,
Speaker 1: it was quiet. Everyone got dressed and went home, and
Speaker 1: he also says he also says, no one gave Kyle
Speaker 1: a hard time about the shot.
Speaker 3: They're a team. We win or lose, we stick together.
Speaker 1: And it's like, okay, I mean he's covering for his
Speaker 1: friends obviously, but it's like people did.
Speaker 3: Give him a hard time.
Speaker 1: You could just say people were like saying some shit
Speaker 1: to him, but I guess he didn't want to, you know,
Speaker 1: give suspicion on anyone else. And Benson goes to give
Speaker 1: Kyle her card. This is like such a subtle moment
Speaker 1: that I just happened to notice. Benson goes to give
Speaker 1: Kyle her card, and the dad grabs it, and Benson
Speaker 1: kind of clocks it and makes this really subtle, like
Speaker 1: what's your deal kind of face. So the dad's like,
Speaker 1: let's get you in to see Jack. He'll be so
Speaker 1: stoked to see his best friend. Right, That's what like
Speaker 1: Jack's dat is saying. So Benson says, someone had to
Speaker 1: have seen something in that locker room. So now she
Speaker 1: sends the gang over. So at Hudson's Sports Complex at
Speaker 1: Hudson River Piers, which is just like exactly Chelsea Peers
Speaker 1: where they shoot this show, Rollins and Finn are talking
Speaker 1: to the coach and he's like, this could have been
Speaker 1: someone from another team, or it could have been a
Speaker 1: white Caps player from a different division. There are ten
Speaker 1: different divisions of white Caps, separated by age at skill level.
Speaker 1: And the coach thinks that none of his kids would
Speaker 1: do something like this, that's so stupid and jeopardize the
Speaker 1: big championship that they have coming up, Like they always
Speaker 1: go to make it to States and they wouldn't do this,
Speaker 1: And they're like any troublemakers on the team, and he goes,
Speaker 1: they're all troublemakers. They're thirteen year old boys, and then
Speaker 1: Finn presses on him a little bit more. He narks
Speaker 1: out these two kids, Timmy Brown and Will Harris. The
Speaker 1: boys call them the Bash Brothers because they get rough,
Speaker 1: but they wouldn't do something like this. It's a violation
Speaker 1: of their contract, which is a code of ethics that
Speaker 1: they all signed. And it couldn't have been a white cap.
Speaker 1: So all right back at the precinct. Live comes in
Speaker 1: asking where are we at with these Bang brothers, which
Speaker 1: I thought was funny because it's the Bash brothers, and
Speaker 1: Finn goes like McGuire and Conseco, and then Cariese goes
Speaker 1: no like read importman silence, and he goes Mighty Ducks
Speaker 1: two nobody like no one's picking up on his Mighty
Speaker 1: Ducks two reference.
Speaker 3: And then the kids he goes, these kids have.
Speaker 1: No record, they signed the contract, and then rollins pipes
Speaker 1: in like, oh, I got something from the ring security
Speaker 1: footage and it shows two boys leaving the locker room
Speaker 1: like haul and ass out of there, and one has
Speaker 1: number twenty six and one has number nine, and then
Speaker 1: ten seconds later Jack comes out and number twenty six
Speaker 1: and number nine are Timmy and Will aka the Bash
Speaker 1: Brothers aka the Bang Brothers, and so she's like, bring
Speaker 1: him in. She goes, this wasn't a couple kids playing
Speaker 1: grab ass. We need answers, So like that, okay, what
Speaker 1: do you say. Yeah, we're talking to Will Harris now
Speaker 1: and he's with his mom and he's telling him, well,
Speaker 1: I look, I don't talk to people after games. After
Speaker 1: we lose, I'll get pissed. I don't speak we left early.
Speaker 1: I left early. And then they show him the footage
Speaker 1: and he's like that's not me and they're like, your
Speaker 1: number's right there and they're like, that's your number.
Speaker 3: Spill right now.
Speaker 1: So we cut to Timmy with his dad talking to
Speaker 1: Creasy and he's like, we only stayed to make sure
Speaker 1: Jack was okay, and then Timmy goes, it wasn't our idea,
Speaker 1: like we held Jack down, but he made us do it.
Speaker 1: He went crazy. I've never seen him like that before.
Speaker 1: He was like an animal, and they're like you keep
Speaker 1: saying he who is he? And then we cut to
Speaker 1: the knock knock, knock on the front door of a
Speaker 1: house and done Dunne, it's Kyle Turner opening the door.
Speaker 1: So Shawnee c K's son The Star of the white
Speaker 1: Caps and Jack's best friend.
Speaker 3: What's happening.
Speaker 1: Kyle's mom and his older brother Adam and younger brother
Speaker 1: Mark are there and they tell the mom, Helen, that
Speaker 1: they need to talk to Kyle and they need all
Speaker 1: of his hockey sticks. He's under an investigation for assaulting
Speaker 1: his teammate. And she looks at Kyle, and Kyle looks like,
Speaker 1: what like confused and clueless, and that's the end.
Speaker 3: Of Act one.
Speaker 1: I got to tell you something crazy. Okay, This actress Helen. Okay,
Speaker 1: the woman who's playing Helen the mom. Her name is
Speaker 1: Amy Spanger, who get this, was married to Michael c.
Speaker 1: Hall for four years before he was married to deb
Speaker 1: Aka Jennifer Carpenter, who I just found out is currently
Speaker 1: married to one of the Abbot Brothers, which is her
Speaker 1: Abitt Brothers. They're like a pretty famous, like bluegrass duo
Speaker 1: that I have a lot of friends that listen to them.
Speaker 3: And Amy is like a Broadway musical girlie.
Speaker 1: And after they got married, he was a shit billy
Speaker 1: Flynn and she was Roxy. They were opposite each other
Speaker 1: in Chicago together after they were married, but the marriage
Speaker 1: was only four years. And she's also been in another
Speaker 1: SVU called PTSD, but I don't remember that episode perfectly
Speaker 1: right now, and I write in my notes she I'm
Speaker 1: sure she's a beautiful woman in real life. The makeup
Speaker 1: department is working hard to make her look haggard in
Speaker 1: this episode, right, like they're really like they make her
Speaker 1: look very tired, very like this life it's been hard
Speaker 1: for her.
Speaker 3: Life's been hard.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's like up at the rink and she's there's
Speaker 1: been issues for her for sure, Like she's not I
Speaker 1: don't think we see her smile. So anyway, interesting little
Speaker 1: factoid about her being married to Michael Seahall and then
Speaker 1: he married I.
Speaker 2: Knew the Michael sea Hall story because he like loves
Speaker 2: to end up with a co star, but I didn't
Speaker 2: realize it was this woman or anything like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's pretty exciting. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So in Cement Roombars at the top of back two,
Speaker 1: Kyle's mom is like sexual assault, not Mi Kyle classic.
Speaker 1: Benson's like, well, we have witnesses that say Kyle was
Speaker 1: the main aggressor.
Speaker 3: And then Cariese's like, let me talk to Kyle. Let's
Speaker 3: talk hockey guy to hockey guy.
Speaker 1: You like Wayne Gretzky, h y number ninety nine and
Speaker 1: he's like, uh yeah, like hockey's the best spot ever.
Speaker 3: Like he's ear to ear while he's in.
Speaker 1: A full bars holding cell like in derogation room, and
Speaker 1: he's like, what if your whole hockey life just went away?
Speaker 3: And he's like, what are you talking about?
Speaker 1: And he goes, this is a violation of your contract
Speaker 1: and Helen is like, you can't kick him off the
Speaker 1: team and it's like, bitch, do you even realize that
Speaker 1: this is like a crime the team And ben Sin's like,
Speaker 1: we could do worse.
Speaker 3: We could throw his ass in jail. And Kyle's like
Speaker 3: I might lose hockey, no way.
Speaker 1: And then outside Jim Turner arrives and the dad and
Speaker 1: he's like Rollins greets him. He's like, where's where's my son?
Speaker 1: And they're like you know, and he's like, I want
Speaker 1: to take Kyle home. And she's like, well, we already
Speaker 1: got your wife's consent to talk to him. And you
Speaker 1: see this guy, He's like no, no, no, no, no no no,
Speaker 1: like I decide what happens with my son me, Like,
Speaker 1: my wife cannot give consent for anything my son does.
Speaker 3: Like I'm the boss, right.
Speaker 1: So we're getting there, you know, SV's laying their breadcrumbs,
Speaker 1: and Benson arrives and Jim is like, I don't care
Speaker 1: what my wife said to you.
Speaker 3: Kyle is not talking to you. He's got too much
Speaker 3: to lose.
Speaker 1: And they're like, well, we have two witnesses that saw
Speaker 1: him assault his teammate.
Speaker 3: And he goes, I don't care if you have two
Speaker 3: hundred witnesses.
Speaker 1: He got the wrong kid, and Jim threatens to call
Speaker 1: lawyer and Benson goes, you know what, that's okay. We'll
Speaker 1: get your son right now for you, and Rollins says like,
Speaker 1: we're gonna just like turn this kid loose, and Benson goes, well,
Speaker 1: the lab tested all the hockey sticks. I love how
Speaker 1: fast all the testing happens on the show. The kid
Speaker 1: has been in the custody for two hours, and they're like,
Speaker 1: the lab's already back. No DNA on any of the
Speaker 1: hockey sticks. They got nothing to go on. So he
Speaker 1: must have ditched the stick that he used to do
Speaker 1: the assault. So she wants Finn and Rollins to get
Speaker 1: the truth out of Jack first thing the next day.
Speaker 1: So now talking to Jack, telling them, you know, Rollins
Speaker 1: does her things.
Speaker 3: She kind of bluffs.
Speaker 1: She goes, we already know, like the person that did
Speaker 1: it already told us, like what happened, and they kind
Speaker 1: of tricked Jack into saying that it was Kyle. And
Speaker 1: the parents are gagged, gooped and gobsmacked like they cannot
Speaker 1: believe it. They're like, Kyle his best friend. Dad says,
Speaker 1: forget about the team, just tell them. And then Jack said,
Speaker 1: I'd never seen him like that before, and then Rollins's
Speaker 1: like who, and he's like Kyle, So they get the
Speaker 1: confirmation that they need and he's like he was like
Speaker 1: a whole other person.
Speaker 3: And then Timmy and Will grabbed me. I couldn't move
Speaker 3: or fight back.
Speaker 1: Kyle looked at him like all crazy with a stick
Speaker 1: in his hand, and then he said and then it
Speaker 1: was over. So it's pretty fucking traumatic to see your
Speaker 1: best friend not only assault you out of nowhere, but
Speaker 1: like undergo what seems like a werewolf transformation and just
Speaker 1: become like a totally crazy, crazed person. And the mom
Speaker 1: doesn't get it. She's like, Kyle came to visit Jack
Speaker 1: in the hospital, like what the hell? Like that's diabolical,
Speaker 1: and then they tell Jack, well, we're gonna have to
Speaker 1: go arrest Kyle, and he's like, okay, well tell him,
Speaker 1: I know he didn't mean it, Like he's still like
Speaker 1: trying to protect his friend.
Speaker 3: It's like really sad.
Speaker 1: And then at Kyle's house, Cariesy and Benson come a
Speaker 1: knock in and older brother Adam opens the door and
Speaker 1: he's like, well, my parents aren't home. Kyle got hurt
Speaker 1: during practice. They're aut the hospital. At the practice, the
Speaker 1: cops roll up on the turners and tell them that
Speaker 1: they're there to arrest Kyle.
Speaker 3: Jim doesn't let his wife talk.
Speaker 1: She tries to say up thing, and he's like, shut
Speaker 1: your mouth and tells the cops that like, don't you
Speaker 1: realize what's going on here? Kyle may have broken his wrist,
Speaker 1: acting like that's the tragedy of the century, while another
Speaker 1: child sits traumatized and bleeding at another hospital across town,
Speaker 1: and he's like, well he heard it at hockey practice,
Speaker 1: Like we have a lot going on right now. This
Speaker 1: man like classic just such a narcissist. And Benson is like,
Speaker 1: you don't have to talk to us, but we are
Speaker 1: going to arrest your son, so deal with that. Benson
Speaker 1: and Creesy then go talk to the doctor who says
Speaker 1: that the injury suggests someone twisting his wrist violently, and
Speaker 1: Creasey's like, so not like a hockey injury. And the
Speaker 1: doctor's like, well it could be. I mean it's not likely,
Speaker 1: but it's possible.
Speaker 3: And then the.
Speaker 1: Doctor's like, I can't tell you any medical files unless
Speaker 1: you have a subpoena. But Benson's like, yeah, but you
Speaker 1: are a mandated reporter. So are there injuries consistent with
Speaker 1: like long term abuse? And he's like, yeah, there are.
Speaker 1: There are like old fractures, like old spinal like they
Speaker 1: just spiral fractures like that are consistent with someone who's
Speaker 1: been abused. So now Benson and Creasy goes see Kyle.
Speaker 1: His arm is in a sling. They tell him they
Speaker 1: got to bring him to the priestinct for questioning. He
Speaker 1: gets really worked up.
Speaker 3: I want my dad.
Speaker 1: I got to talk to my dad. And Crisey's like, well,
Speaker 1: what happened to your wrists? He goes, I fell at practice,
Speaker 1: like he and then he goes but it was it
Speaker 1: wasn't really practice. It was just me and my dad,
Speaker 1: So what they were just doing one on one practice
Speaker 1: and then the dad. But my dad didn't see it.
Speaker 1: My dad didn't see it happened. So it's like it's
Speaker 1: all wise right, like that of this seems real. Caresy
Speaker 1: is like, listen, little buddy, we think you're lying. And
Speaker 1: the doc says that you have old injuries that seem
Speaker 1: like you've been abused. Kyle's getting very shifty, very nervous.
Speaker 1: He says, no one's hurting him.
Speaker 3: He just fell.
Speaker 1: Benson is like kneeling down, smiling at this kid with
Speaker 1: her beautiful face and going, you could go to prison
Speaker 1: for what you did to.
Speaker 3: Like she's like, I like water.
Speaker 1: I was like, god, she looks so pretty. She's like
Speaker 1: bending down and like a let me get like on
Speaker 1: your level. And then she's like you're gonna go to
Speaker 1: jail with adults, like you know, and he's like I
Speaker 1: thought only adults could go to prison, and Benson's like, nope,
Speaker 1: kids can go too, And then he's like, you have
Speaker 1: to tell us if someone threatened you or made you
Speaker 1: do this, and his parents walk in, obviously right at
Speaker 1: that moment, and say you don't have our consent to
Speaker 1: talk to him, and they're like, well, guess what, babe,
Speaker 1: we do not need your consent, right, now, because right
Speaker 1: now we're talking to Kyle as a victim, not as
Speaker 1: a perpetrator. And Kyle's like, I told him I fell
Speaker 1: to the dad. You know, he doesn't want to piss
Speaker 1: his dad off. Benson's like, you guys have two choices.
Speaker 1: I arrest Kyle right now, or we all go down
Speaker 1: to the precinct and talk this out along with your
Speaker 1: other two sons. And Jim's like, great, let's talk this through.
Speaker 1: Let's get to the bottom of it. We got nothing
Speaker 1: to hide. And the mom looks nervous, but she's like,
Speaker 1: you know, she's trying to be like right, yes, go team,
Speaker 1: we are all going to be at the precinct telling
Speaker 1: the absolute truth. But you know, we're getting the vibe
Speaker 1: that something is very fucked in this family. So now
Speaker 1: Finnish talking to Adam, the older brother, and like, oh,
Speaker 1: you and your brother fight. He's like yeah, I mean sometimes,
Speaker 1: but like we're super close, Like I would never heard him.
Speaker 1: We're best friends. We look out for each other, always have,
Speaker 1: always will. And now we're talking to the mom. Amy
Speaker 1: Spanger Helen and Rollins is like, does Jim ever get
Speaker 1: rough with Kyle? And she goes, no, that's not something
Speaker 1: that happens in our house, and then the medical records
Speaker 1: tell a different story. And then she just looks at
Speaker 1: Rollins like she has like she's speechless, and Rollins is like,
Speaker 1: you don't get it, Like your son's crime is serious.
Speaker 3: If he gets convicted, he will go to prison. And
Speaker 3: she's like, but.
Speaker 1: He's only a boy, and Rollins is like, yeah, so
Speaker 1: we want to give the prosecutor a reason to help Kyle.
Speaker 3: So we need your help to do that.
Speaker 1: Tell us what's going on between Kyle and his dad,
Speaker 1: and at least do it for Mark, like the little
Speaker 1: brother like and they look through the you know, the
Speaker 1: fish bowl glass, and the little Mark is just like
Speaker 1: coloring or whatever. The next in line, Crisey, is now
Speaker 1: in cement room bars with Kyle, telling this eighth grader
Speaker 1: that he's going to prison, and then he's like, unless
Speaker 1: you tell us who hurt your wrist and he's like,
Speaker 1: I can't. I love my dad. He's just helping me
Speaker 1: become a better player. And Carisey's like, it won't matter
Speaker 1: when you're behind bars, little guy. And now that dad
Speaker 1: Jim is intrment room bars with Rollins and he's like,
Speaker 1: this is a misunderstanding.
Speaker 3: How do we make it go away? And Rollins is like, uh,
Speaker 3: we don't.
Speaker 1: We might be able to make his punishment less severe,
Speaker 1: and he's like, oh, how do we do that? He
Speaker 1: goes if you admit to abusing him, and he's like,
Speaker 1: excuse me, and he like laughs. He's like, my parenting
Speaker 1: style might be old school, but it's never physical. And
Speaker 1: he's like, Kyle wants to be great at hockey. I
Speaker 1: know how to get him there. I came close to
Speaker 1: being pro myself. And there's just so many failed dads
Speaker 1: on this show. It's this is exactly the same mentality
Speaker 1: of the dad of Elsa's dad from Hothouse, Like.
Speaker 3: I was almost pro.
Speaker 1: I can make you good, like you know, It's like
Speaker 1: they're just guys that never got their fucking shot, being
Speaker 1: like now's my second chance through a kid, right.
Speaker 3: It's sadness anyway.
Speaker 1: And so Rollins is like, okay, so how do you
Speaker 1: explain all these injuries? And Jim's like, uh, he's a
Speaker 1: hockey player. He gets hurt, but he plays through the pain,
Speaker 1: not complaining like his pansy friends, and then sounds like
Speaker 1: a really great dad. And Benson on the other side
Speaker 1: of the glass with Finn is like this family's not talking,
Speaker 1: like it's pretty clear. So they arrest Kyle, and Jim
Speaker 1: is like blaming political correctness. He's like, you guys with
Speaker 1: this PC crap, like it's PC. Kid's in a hospital. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's PC to be like, don't sexually assault another child
Speaker 1: with a hockey stick, Like you guys are so woke,
Speaker 1: and they're like He's like, there were just kids screwing around.
Speaker 1: Kyle will be arraigned in family court later this afternoon,
Speaker 1: they tell him so. Then later Careesy tells Rollins that
Speaker 1: Kyle was released into his parents' custody, and a lawyer
Speaker 1: at Corporation Council, which is Pippa as we remember that's
Speaker 1: what they call like these family court type of prosecutors
Speaker 1: is getting pressure from upstairs to try Kyle as an adult.
Speaker 3: And Rollins is like, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Speaker 1: I thought we were just dangling that to like traumatize
Speaker 1: him and get him to talk.
Speaker 3: He's just a kid. He's not like really going to
Speaker 3: go to jail.
Speaker 1: And Cariese's like, yeah, I mean they want to make
Speaker 1: an example of him because of increase in hazing in Ins,
Speaker 1: So like you know, send this kid to jail, send
Speaker 1: a message like you want to fuck around in what
Speaker 1: you think is an innocent hazing, you could go to
Speaker 1: jail too. So Rollins is like, well, the mom's at
Speaker 1: fault too, Like she just stands there and lets it happen,
Speaker 1: Plastic Rollins. If there's a way to blame a woman,
Speaker 1: Rollins will figure it out. At least season fifteen to eighteen,
Speaker 1: she figured. I think she figures things out a little
Speaker 1: bit later. But so she's like basically telling her telling
Speaker 1: Carisy like, I think she's just as abusive as the
Speaker 1: dad because she just stands there and lets it happen.
Speaker 1: And Crissey's like, I hear what you're saying, but it's
Speaker 1: not that simple, and Rollins is like, yeah.
Speaker 3: It is.
Speaker 1: If someone fucks with Jesse, I kill them, like basically.
Speaker 1: And Carisee's like, you don't think this woman is a
Speaker 1: victim too? Maybe you get it's not only physical abuse, right,
Speaker 1: but there's like shame tied up in this as well,
Speaker 1: And she says, yeah, but that's why bullies get away
Speaker 1: with it. But it's like, yeah, look at like Elsalychkov's mom.
Speaker 1: If we're going back to that example, like she was
Speaker 1: like I let him hurt my beab, like she had
Speaker 1: so much shame, like she couldn't back.
Speaker 3: I'm sure he was hurting her as well.
Speaker 1: So luckily CARIESI gets a phone call before he has
Speaker 1: to fully explain domestic violence to Rollins so that they
Speaker 1: stop their argument and he has to go meet Live
Speaker 1: at the hospital. But not before Rollin, he tells Rolins,
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes it's not as easy as you think
Speaker 1: to be a hero.
Speaker 3: So we leave her on that.
Speaker 1: At the hospital, a nurse tells them some sad news.
Speaker 1: Jack died twenty minutes ago.
Speaker 3: They didn't have to do that. They didn't, but I
Speaker 3: think they had to up the stakes. They didn't have
Speaker 3: to do that.
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, pretty fuck Like I'm so sad thinking
Speaker 1: about that little kid like.
Speaker 2: Ben's And at the end of the day, all these
Speaker 2: all these dads are cowards because they're letting their kids
Speaker 2: go to jail. Cause I'm thinking about what's his face
Speaker 2: and man up?
Speaker 3: Man down?
Speaker 1: Oh, Dylan Walsh, Yeah, like you know, it's just like
Speaker 1: you're you're willing to let your kid fucking suffer for it,
Speaker 1: Like you're you're a coward. Actually, yeah, well and a narcissist.
Speaker 1: You're like, I was trying to make you an man.
Speaker 1: If you can't handle it, then you need to take
Speaker 1: the punishment, Like I was just doing what I have
Speaker 1: to do as your dad. Like it's so fucking gross
Speaker 1: and dark you had to rape your friend? Like sorry, fuck,
Speaker 1: I hate him. The dad like just so consistently lies
Speaker 1: the entire time. You got the wrong kid. This was
Speaker 1: just a joke, Like this was just like you know then,
Speaker 1: even like he never even is shocked when confronted with
Speaker 1: his lies or when like the truth comes out. He's
Speaker 1: never even like wait what Kyle, what'd you do? He's
Speaker 1: always like, nah, this was a joke, Like how do
Speaker 1: we make it go away? Like, I don't know, I
Speaker 1: hate this guy. Benson obviously gives one of her classic
Speaker 1: like sharp inhales that when they find out that Jack
Speaker 1: has passed. So now Benson's talking to Jack's parents, They're like,
Speaker 1: he had a fever. They said he just needed fluids
Speaker 1: and antibiotics and that he was gonna be okay. Then
Speaker 1: his blood pressure dropped. They rushed into the ICU. It
Speaker 1: was an infection. Oh, you're watching the pit you know.
Speaker 1: The infections are the worst thing that can happen, you know,
Speaker 1: sepsis this. So the dad's like, someone's got to pay
Speaker 1: for this, and they're like, well, don't worry, we're charging
Speaker 1: your eighth grade son's best friend with manslaughter.
Speaker 3: That should cheer you up.
Speaker 1: And the dad goes, you can go ahead and charge Kyle,
Speaker 1: but his six son of a bitch dad is the
Speaker 1: one you should be going after. And Jim, he's like,
Speaker 1: Jim got into Kyle's head, turned him into a bully,
Speaker 1: and he did that to the older one too. And
Speaker 1: Mark is next. He's always berating him, pushing, grabbing, like
Speaker 1: he's basically saying like he didn't really see like a
Speaker 1: major abuse, but like with guys like that, he says,
Speaker 1: you can just tell I still think pushing and grabbing
Speaker 1: is abusive, but like, well.
Speaker 2: Especially if you see it, that means he's willing to
Speaker 2: do it in front of you, and like, yes, in public.
Speaker 3: So what do you think he's doing at home?
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, like grabbing him to talk to him like that.
Speaker 1: It's like that's he probably thought that wasn't enough to
Speaker 1: like call the cops, because honestly, I think if you
Speaker 1: do call the cops on something like that, they necessarily,
Speaker 1: like they'll they'll be like, there's not really enough that
Speaker 1: what Well, they'll relate to the dad yeah and be like, actually,
Speaker 1: you shouldn't make that shot. It's okay to touch your
Speaker 1: child on the shoulders while you tell them what to do,
Speaker 1: you know, Like they'll be like, my kid does this
Speaker 1: all the time too, Like with Gabby Patito, my wife,
Speaker 1: I just tell her.
Speaker 3: To take a shower.
Speaker 1: Anyways, they're telling so basically Jack's parents are like, he's
Speaker 1: just as responsible this guy Jim. So now back at
Speaker 1: the precinct, they've got some new footage from a goalie's mom, okay,
Speaker 1: and it's this video of Jim like laying into Kyle like,
Speaker 1: like I said, holding him by the shoulders, like talking
Speaker 1: to him like really really aggressively, right after that game.
Speaker 1: And it seems like they're like, it seems like he's
Speaker 1: telling Kyle to give Jack a beat down, although like
Speaker 1: you can't you can't be sure what he's saying. They
Speaker 1: got to get that lip reader girl from TikTok in there,
Speaker 1: so they bring this to Kyle and they're like, listen,
Speaker 1: pretty soon, we're gonna get the audio on this from Taru,
Speaker 1: and so just tell us if your dad told you
Speaker 1: to hurt Jack and he's like he didn't, and they're like, Kyle,
Speaker 1: Jack is dead, like someone has to pay. And then Adam,
Speaker 1: the older brother is there and he's like Jesus Christ,
Speaker 1: just tell them the truth. And the mom is like, Adam,
Speaker 1: shut it. Everything is going to be okay, and Benson
Speaker 1: is like, bitch, snap out of it. Everything is not
Speaker 1: going to be okay. That ship sailed when a kid died.
Speaker 1: Like the mom is definitely like traumatized. She's like, if
Speaker 1: you just keep saying everything is okay, everything is okay,
Speaker 1: you know, like she cannot handle what's going on. She
Speaker 1: does not know what to do. And they're like, tell
Speaker 1: your son to tell the truth. But as we've seen
Speaker 1: six times already in this episode, right as maybe a
Speaker 1: kid is about to tell the truth, the dad bursts
Speaker 1: in and everyone shuts the fuck up. So Kyle repeats,
Speaker 1: he didn't tell me to do anything, and Benson is like, okay, sweet,
Speaker 1: we'll see you in court where Kyle is being charged
Speaker 1: with sexual assault and manslaughter as an adult.
Speaker 3: Kyle looks terrified.
Speaker 1: Jim tries to touch his wife like around the like
Speaker 1: put his arm around her and she's like, don't you
Speaker 1: even think about Like so that's the first time you
Speaker 1: kind of see the mom like resists the dad a
Speaker 1: little bit. She like recoils when he tries to touch her.
Speaker 3: So now in.
Speaker 1: Family court, Kyle is pleading not guilty, and the judgees
Speaker 1: in the midst of releasing Kyle into the custody of
Speaker 1: his parents. When Adam stands up and storms out of
Speaker 1: the courtroom, Jensen and Finn follow. Adam is pissed. He's like,
Speaker 1: my brother's going to jail. Why aren't you guys trying
Speaker 1: to help him. Benson's like, babe, that's kind of all
Speaker 1: we're doing. And he's like, the only thing that will
Speaker 1: move the needle will be Kyle testifying that his dad
Speaker 1: told him to assault Jake, and little Bro is like,
Speaker 1: he won't do it. My dad's got him all twisted up,
Speaker 1: and they're like, so help us change his mind. So
Speaker 1: later we're at the precinct. It's nighttime at SVU and
Speaker 1: uh Careesy picks up the phone. He's like, all right, missus,
Speaker 1: Turner will be right over. So he grabs Rollins and
Speaker 1: he's like, Jim Turner just beat the shit out of
Speaker 1: his son.
Speaker 3: Adam again.
Speaker 1: It's like these men, the way they commit more crimes
Speaker 1: while they know that all eyes are on them.
Speaker 3: Is so wild.
Speaker 2: It's like but because they can't, you know, because they
Speaker 2: actually are so weak minded, Like, yeah, if you fall
Speaker 2: to violence like that, you're like an idiot. Yeah, truly.
Speaker 2: At the turn, this boy looks fucked, fucked. It's some
Speaker 2: of the worst injuries we've ever seen. It looks awful.
Speaker 2: It's like the eye is bubbling, yes, I is.
Speaker 1: Like swollen shut bubbling, bruised blood all over his face.
Speaker 1: He's gasping for breath like this. This actor does a
Speaker 1: great job with like the breath stuff, because usually it's
Speaker 1: just somebody lying their bloody quiet and he's like like
Speaker 1: he can't breathe, and the mom is just standing over him.
Speaker 3: She's not like dabbing any of the blood away.
Speaker 1: It's like, I know, you don't touch somebody like if
Speaker 1: they might have a spinal injury or whatever. But she's
Speaker 1: not even like holding his hand on the ground like
Speaker 1: help is on the way, Like she's just standing there.
Speaker 1: She's obviously traumatized and paralyzed, but I'm kind of like
Speaker 1: a kind word maybe, And she tells cariesy that Adam
Speaker 1: just kept pushing Jim's buttons. I couldn't stop it, and
Speaker 1: Jim just ran out of there. So he's in the
Speaker 1: wind and they're like, where's Mark. Luckily at her mother,
Speaker 1: so she knew enough to get her littlest guy out
Speaker 1: to another place. And Adam is like, well, you needed
Speaker 1: a way to He's like talking through blood and swollen
Speaker 1: like appendages, going you.
Speaker 3: Need a You needed a way to get Kyle to talk?
Speaker 4: This is it?
Speaker 1: And he points to his phone, which is like on
Speaker 1: a credit leaning against a candlestick, and it looks like
Speaker 1: he recorded the entire thing. So now and I wrote, yes,
Speaker 1: Adam's face is fucked, and he tells his brother stop
Speaker 1: protecting dad.
Speaker 3: He doesn't deserve it.
Speaker 1: And Kyle's there and he's like looks just like looks
Speaker 1: upset and torn, Like this kid is fucking traumatized. So
Speaker 1: now we're seeing the video of Adam baiting his dad
Speaker 1: into a fight.
Speaker 3: He's like, I'm not afraid of you.
Speaker 1: He calls him a loser, he calls him a coward,
Speaker 1: and you know that sets the dad right off. He
Speaker 1: punches him and when he's on the ground, he just
Speaker 1: starts stomping him, and the mom is screaming like the
Speaker 1: video is a lot to even the short piece that
Speaker 1: they show us, and the sound of it, it's horrific,
Speaker 1: and so now Rollins has to talk. They send Rowins
Speaker 1: in to talk to the mom, even though she might
Speaker 1: not be the best person for that, and she's like
Speaker 1: trying to cover it.
Speaker 3: And Rollins is again.
Speaker 1: To the mom, like, how do you not get that
Speaker 1: your thirteen year old son is going to prison? And
Speaker 1: then she's like, but if I tell Kyle to testify,
Speaker 1: Jim goes to jail.
Speaker 3: And that seems like it'll help everybody.
Speaker 1: Yeah, She's like, well he broke Kyle's wrists and beat
Speaker 1: Adam to a bloody pulp. So and Helen's like, well,
Speaker 1: he didn't mean to. He loves him. The boys love
Speaker 1: him like they're a good he's a good man. And
Speaker 1: then she just decides to fest. She goes every day
Speaker 1: for the past five years, I wake up and I
Speaker 1: say I'm going to take the.
Speaker 3: Boys and leave.
Speaker 1: And then every day he buys my mom her arthritis medication,
Speaker 1: or he mowed my mom's lawn, or he tells me
Speaker 1: he loves me, And I say, this is a good man,
Speaker 1: and then she goes, but then and then Rollins goes, yeah,
Speaker 1: he changes and he gets abusive because that's also part
Speaker 1: of who he is. And she goes, it's just so
Speaker 1: hard to accept that you picked this man to spend
Speaker 1: your life with and have kids with, and you just
Speaker 1: try to fix it. And Rollins is like, yeah, but
Speaker 1: it's not fixable. And Kyle is just a boy. You
Speaker 1: can fix him, like you can help him now before
Speaker 1: he grows up to beat his own children up. So
Speaker 1: first you have to convince him to testify that his
Speaker 1: dad forced him to assault Jack.
Speaker 3: So now we're.
Speaker 1: Talking to Kyle with his mom in cement room bars
Speaker 1: and they're shutting a laptop like they just watched the
Speaker 1: video of the dad beating the shut out of his brother,
Speaker 1: as if he wasn't there in real life, like just
Speaker 1: here's a refresher. And he goes, Adam was right, he goes,
Speaker 1: my dad did tell me to assault Jack. He wanted
Speaker 1: Jack to know that he couldn't screw up anymore. He
Speaker 1: told me to use the stick. He said, that's how
Speaker 1: you're supposed to do it. I didn't want to hurt Jack.
Speaker 1: He was my friend. But he also doesn't want to
Speaker 1: rat his dad out. He loves him, and Carisi goes
Speaker 1: into anecdote mode. Okay, He's like, when I first saw
Speaker 1: Jack in the hospital, I was upset and angry at
Speaker 1: who did it because Jack reminded me of me. I
Speaker 1: was a squawny kid, the kid the guys the neighborhood
Speaker 1: would pick on me. The worst kid was Bobby b Yankee.
Speaker 1: One day he shoved my face through a plate glass window.
Speaker 3: I can't. I just needed to get to Bobby b Yankee.
Speaker 3: I just had to get to that part. So he's
Speaker 3: telling a story about how one time, like a kid,
Speaker 3: a fucking bully named Bobby b Yankee.
Speaker 1: Shoved Carisee's little and you know, Caresee's like a thin
Speaker 1: man now, you know, he was a scrawny little like
Speaker 1: little shrimp in school and this.
Speaker 3: Kid shoved his face through a plate glass window.
Speaker 1: And then the principal asked Carisy what happened, and he goes,
Speaker 1: I could have ended it, but I didn't, and he
Speaker 1: got away with it, and no one ever knew what happened.
Speaker 1: And you know where Bobby Byanke is now in sing
Speaker 1: sing for stabbing some poor sap to death in a
Speaker 1: bar fight and he goes and now I just think
Speaker 1: if I had said something, maybe that guy would still
Speaker 1: be alive. I missed my shot and I regret it
Speaker 1: every day. And this is your shot right now. And
Speaker 1: if not for you, Kyle, do it for Mark. What
Speaker 1: happens when he gets older and you're not around to
Speaker 1: look after him. You know, you're like five years away
Speaker 1: from getting out of the house, both of you, and
Speaker 1: then you'll both be gone and it'll just be Mark
Speaker 1: and the parents.
Speaker 3: Jesus.
Speaker 1: If you talk to the judge, they tell him this
Speaker 1: can go back to family court and you would do
Speaker 1: less time. Kyle thinks about it and he goes, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'll do it, and they're like, we also need your
Speaker 1: help finding your father. And then walking out of that room,
Speaker 1: Finn goes to Creasy nice story, man, you're quick on
Speaker 1: your feet, and Crisey's like, yeah, you gotta do what
Speaker 1: you gotta do, and Rollins is like that was straight
Speaker 1: out of your autobiography, Like that was all true and
Speaker 1: I know it, and Carsey just walks away.
Speaker 3: It's like, let's put you know, put two and two
Speaker 3: together here. Girl.
Speaker 2: That's always like such a classic SVU trope of like,
Speaker 2: you know, when they get personally connected, Yeah, they tell
Speaker 2: a tale.
Speaker 1: Yeah it's munch going. When I was little, across the street,
Speaker 1: there was this girl. She always had bruises, she always
Speaker 1: had cuts, and I never said anything. And then she died.
Speaker 1: And that's not a good munch. But you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Okay, so you're still in carese mode. I'm
Speaker 1: still in careesy. It's hard to get out of it.
Speaker 1: I got to get my dialect coach.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: So, at the ice rink, Kyle is just sitting at
Speaker 1: the ice rink by himself in the stands, and Jim
Speaker 1: shows up, and so he's like, so, what's got you
Speaker 1: so worried that I needed to come all the way
Speaker 1: out here. It's like, I don't know, Dad, last time
Speaker 1: I saw you, you were beating my brother bloody to
Speaker 1: the point that one of his eyes is not functioning.
Speaker 1: And he's like, Kyle's like, everything is screwed up. You
Speaker 1: told me to do that to Jack. You said it
Speaker 1: would help. You said it would help the team. And
Speaker 1: he goes, yeah, so I told you to fucking assault
Speaker 1: your friend and not every plan works out. Okay, why
Speaker 1: are you being such a bitch? Not to tell you
Speaker 1: to do is gonna be one hundred percent. Like he's
Speaker 1: acting like it's like they hit traffic. Yeah, like what
Speaker 1: the fuck? Yeah, Like it's so crazy, and he goes,
Speaker 1: not every We're just gonna roll with it, that's all.
Speaker 1: And then this man is like the worst out of
Speaker 1: all time. He's like, chill baby. He goes stud athletes like,
Speaker 1: you don't go to jail, that's the thing. It's like
Speaker 1: he's also like using his own delusion that stud athletes
Speaker 1: don't go to jail, and it's like, you're not right now,
Speaker 1: Like I mean, before you beat your son up, you
Speaker 1: weren't really facing any consequences. You just were operating under
Speaker 1: these studt athletes don't go to jail, like school of law,
Speaker 1: which isn't real, and uh, your son would be the
Speaker 1: one paying all the prices on that.
Speaker 3: So then he's like.
Speaker 1: You just need to keep your head up, your mouth shut,
Speaker 1: and let your lawyer handle it. And he's like, you
Speaker 1: got good things come in your way. Then you're gonna
Speaker 1: do co puck. Then you're gonna go pro. Then we
Speaker 1: teach Mark together, me and you, we whip him into shape,
Speaker 1: toughen him up, and then the Turner boys are the
Speaker 1: face of the league.
Speaker 3: We can have our own dynasty.
Speaker 1: I mean, this guy is the delusions of grandeur are
Speaker 1: out of control. That's when the cops show up. They
Speaker 1: interrupt his dumb little fantasy speech. Kyle looks really sad.
Speaker 1: The dad goes everything you haven't accomplished, I taught you
Speaker 1: how to get it, and the dad the Col's like,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, dad, I let you down.
Speaker 4: And then I know that's.
Speaker 3: The sad part too. He still feels bad.
Speaker 2: He's gonna feel bad and think he did something wrong
Speaker 2: until he gets years of therapy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I don't know if his mom is gonna
Speaker 1: even let him go. Like, I don't know what's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: I think the whole family has to get in therapy.
Speaker 1: And I hope they do. I hope they move. But
Speaker 1: it sucks because it's like that guy, like he could
Speaker 1: get a few years in Joe, but he'll get out
Speaker 1: of eventual and he'll come back for all of them.
Speaker 1: It's like, I don't know. I'm like, I'm just like
Speaker 1: pessimistic about.
Speaker 2: It's like your son's eye as fucked, your other silent
Speaker 2: killed his best friend.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like and you're not like maybe things have gone
Speaker 1: too far. You're like, we gotta just don't work. You
Speaker 1: can go to college and play hockey. Yeah I forgot
Speaker 1: that part. Yeah whatever, So plans don't work. It's so crazy,
Speaker 1: plans don't work.
Speaker 3: It's fine. Whoever wrote that? That's like so good, that's
Speaker 3: so like.
Speaker 1: Also, it's like you literally could have just told him
Speaker 1: to punch him a couple of times, do you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like you told him to do something
Speaker 1: so horrible, like the punching is not acceptable, but like
Speaker 1: everyone would have lived, everybody, you know, like jailed, like
Speaker 1: you would have gotten a probation. Like he's like, do
Speaker 1: something so awful, Like I don't know, it's so okay,
Speaker 1: so bad. I'm yea do like mafia do? Like what
Speaker 1: the mafia like? Do it like a horrible like moment,
Speaker 1: it's shut like we all want to be champions, but like,
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, champions lose all the time.
Speaker 3: That's what makes them champions.
Speaker 1: So it's like and they lose gracefully, and that's why
Speaker 1: these that's why these dads don't make it like they
Speaker 1: don't get the full humanity of it all. And obviously,
Speaker 1: like Kobe was crazy and hit the ball, like and
Speaker 1: Jordan were insane in their own ways, but like they
Speaker 1: lost a lot.
Speaker 3: And knew it.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know. Yeah, Well, at the
Speaker 1: end of the episode, it's Rawlins and Benson showing off
Speaker 1: their outerwear to be a hockey rink.
Speaker 2: Like Michael Jordan didn't make his like high school team
Speaker 2: or something like that. There's that story, like Tom Brady
Speaker 2: wasn't even a first round draft pick, Like he was
Speaker 2: like far down the line. He was like some backup
Speaker 2: quarterback like most people that not like a lot of
Speaker 2: people that succeed.
Speaker 3: It's like it's.
Speaker 2: Tenacity and like working through stuff, not flipping out and
Speaker 2: raping a child with a stick, Like what the fuck?
Speaker 1: Maybe that's why you're not a champion, Like what the fun?
Speaker 1: That is exactly why he's not a champion. That's why
Speaker 1: he didn't go pro because of the way this man is.
Speaker 3: Like nothing's worse than a sore loser. You don't want
Speaker 3: to be.
Speaker 1: I mean, I like having like a little fun, like
Speaker 1: some Reggie Miller fun, but like I don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So anyway, the episode ends with Rollins and Benson and
Speaker 1: their beautiful outer ice rink because.
Speaker 2: Now that hockey has infiltrated my what's it called algorithm? Oh,
Speaker 2: you're getting a lot of more hockey content. It's they
Speaker 2: know exactly what I want, but they'll throw in some
Speaker 2: hockey now and then. Now, like it is crazy violent,
Speaker 2: like they truly just take off and in the books,
Speaker 2: like like there's some people that are they're on the
Speaker 2: team to fight, like they're enforcers and like protecting the like.
Speaker 1: Shooter that I remember that from when I used to
Speaker 1: play NHL on Nintendo, Like you had a moment where
Speaker 1: you could throw off your.
Speaker 3: Gloves and fight, but like like you can still do
Speaker 3: that in.
Speaker 1: Hockey, yes, Like like I just get clips of like
Speaker 1: and that, Like the clip I got was like never
Speaker 1: fuck with a goalie and it's like someone fucking with
Speaker 1: the goalie and then the whole team will beat the
Speaker 1: shit out of you and it's like everyone's just throwing things,
Speaker 1: penalty boxes are filled. Like it's just kind of an
Speaker 1: insane But I don't think I realized sport. I don't either,
Speaker 1: because I don't think about hockey ever in my life.
Speaker 1: Although I feel like we've had this conversation I'm having
Speaker 1: like where I was like, are we still allowed to
Speaker 1: fight during hockey but.
Speaker 3: The girls don't.
Speaker 2: But the thing is, at the end of the day,
Speaker 2: the girls play without doing that. And then one of
Speaker 2: them made a joke of like, well, we don't have
Speaker 2: goodental insurance, so the boys have more money than us.
Speaker 2: But also I'm sure it's they're just I don't know.
Speaker 2: These guys just really are beating the shit out of
Speaker 2: each other and it's encouraged, like they're fighting the like
Speaker 2: the refs are on skates kind of fighting too.
Speaker 3: I don't get it.
Speaker 1: I mean, like the I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's but like when I think about our so we
Speaker 2: didn't have our own high school hockey team that like
Speaker 2: the two high schools combined, but it was all the
Speaker 2: skater guys. It was like the hot kind of alternative
Speaker 2: guys or were the people I remember being on hockey.
Speaker 1: Oh not not where I grew up. It was like
Speaker 1: the rich, preppy guys were the hockey players. Okay, yeah, And.
Speaker 2: Then because of the books, and it's also like a
Speaker 2: lot of them are like I guess with all sports baseball,
Speaker 2: like some of them just don't speak the language, Like
Speaker 2: a lot of them are speaking different languages. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: like sometimes they're just coming from somewhere and that's that.
Speaker 1: It's just like there's other sports that are violent, like football,
Speaker 1: and you know, but you're never like, oh, you two
Speaker 1: just take a second and just beat the shit out
Speaker 1: of each other.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So basically the episode ends, it's fastening Rollins in their
Speaker 1: beautiful outerwear at an ice rink and Benson's like, well,
Speaker 1: a few years in juvie is better than ten years
Speaker 1: in prison, but she's not happy about it, and Rollins
Speaker 1: is like, yeah, but we got that dad out of
Speaker 1: the house, like that's what's important. And then Benson goes, yeah,
Speaker 1: thirteen years too late. So and that's how it ends.
Speaker 1: That's dick Wolf Baby. It's like, at least you guys
Speaker 1: saved Mark, and hopefully you can save Adam and Kyle
Speaker 1: from through therapy, a lifetime of shame and trauma.
Speaker 3: You know, but I hope that those guys are okay.
Speaker 4: And then.
Speaker 3: That's that. That's great expectations. Why did they call it that.
Speaker 1: It's like I think, well, I think it's like the
Speaker 1: expectations of you know.
Speaker 2: I've I've already like what like I don't but yeah,
Speaker 2: I know, it's not about hockey, being good at hockey, Okay.
Speaker 3: But is it about like something like a fuck story.
Speaker 2: I feel it's like Haron ethan Hawk near a Fountain
Speaker 2: is what I remember about Great Expectations.
Speaker 1: It says it's a coming of age novel that follows
Speaker 1: an orphan Pip from his humble beginnings to his rise
Speaker 1: as a gentleman and an orphan Pip.
Speaker 3: Huh, his name is Pip? Pip? What's a Pip? That's
Speaker 3: his name? Is his name is Pip? Yeah? Okay, Pip
Speaker 3: like pippin.
Speaker 1: No and and eventually his moral awakening, exploring themes of
Speaker 1: social class, love, ambition, and identity in Victorian England. So
Speaker 1: I guess it's because he had these great expectations.
Speaker 3: Quote unquote of like wealth, and you know.
Speaker 1: The dad has these great expectations for his kids, but
Speaker 1: and the mom had these great expectations for starting a
Speaker 1: family with this man, and it's like turned into a
Speaker 1: fucking nightmare. So I don't know, sad, Yeah, yeah, And
Speaker 1: it's all because this guy like didn't get where he
Speaker 1: thought he deserved to go, like in his hockey career, probably,
Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? Like that's like where
Speaker 1: it comes from. But let's get to the crime. Tell
Speaker 1: me the horrific thing that's going to happen.
Speaker 2: All right, So this is obviously about parent violence and
Speaker 2: youth sports. One man beat another like one father beat
Speaker 2: another father to death after a practice game, a practice game.
Speaker 3: This was like practice.
Speaker 2: What this was at a Burbank skating arena in Reading, Massachusetts. Okay,
Speaker 2: So Michael Costin, he is the victim. He's one hundred
Speaker 2: and fifty six pounds, he's a carpenter, and on June fifth,
Speaker 2: two thousand, he was beaten to death after the parents
Speaker 2: argued about a rough play in this hockey practice. Now,
Speaker 2: the murderer is Thomas Junta, and Thomas was forty four
Speaker 2: years old, two hundred and seventy pounds, so that's like
Speaker 2: a lot of weight on someone for a fight.
Speaker 3: And he was a truck driver.
Speaker 2: And his lawyer, Thomas or Landy Junior, said, Junta's not
Speaker 2: the person he has been made out to be. In fact,
Speaker 2: is a loving father and husband, and that's by the
Speaker 2: New York Times. But he did beat a man to death,
Speaker 2: and I think that's something to remember. So the fight
Speaker 2: began when Junta believed that Costin was encouraging a team
Speaker 2: with his three sons on it to play two aggressively hitting, checking,
Speaker 2: and slashing the players on the other team, where Junta's
Speaker 2: son Quinlan was playing. So I don't know if it
Speaker 2: was like a scrimmage game or all the teams in
Speaker 2: the league practice together like what was going on. But
Speaker 2: in multiple articles it said like this wasn't even a game.
Speaker 2: So the two men said.
Speaker 1: That it's like there's no stakes, it's just a practice.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah.
Speaker 2: The two men argued on the ice and Junta was
Speaker 2: asked to leave, and he left for one minute, then
Speaker 2: came back, claiming he was worried his son was still
Speaker 2: in there, but the assistant rink manager, Nancy Blanchard, said
Speaker 2: he looked and aged and shoved her aside hard enough
Speaker 2: that it bruised her arm. So he left a pissed,
Speaker 2: came back pissed. Then so he went inside started and
Speaker 2: then they started shoving each other, and then Junta ended
Speaker 2: up sitting on Costin's chest and that's where all these
Speaker 2: fatal blows were delivered. And this is according to two
Speaker 2: witnesses to the New York Times, and that these witnesses
Speaker 2: said that they were shouting for him to stop and
Speaker 2: then Couston was found laying on the floor outside the
Speaker 2: rink in this like nor like Redding in north of Boston,
Speaker 2: So they went from inside to outside. The fight continued
Speaker 2: and he was found outside. He died when an artery
Speaker 2: at the base of his brain was severed by a
Speaker 2: powerful force. It says he sustained injuries in fifteen places.
Speaker 2: But there's a lot of conflicting witness statements. So Junta's like,
Speaker 2: I only hit him three times, but all these other
Speaker 2: people were like, oh no, actually you hit him ten,
Speaker 2: like more than ten times. And then his twelve year
Speaker 2: old son testified that his dad was trying to protect
Speaker 2: himself and only hit him three quick times. And that's
Speaker 2: to CNN, and it's like it could be a corsion
Speaker 2: or like, you know, or the kid only saw off you.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: There's just a lot of witnesses, and they always say
Speaker 2: witness testimony is an issue.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because if you're sitting on somebody's chest, it feels
Speaker 1: like you've won, Like you don't need to do any
Speaker 1: you're protected, you're sitting on the person, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a really good point. And then the judge
Speaker 2: ordered for all the miners not to be identified. That testified,
Speaker 2: which I appreciate. And there was like a dozen children watching,
Speaker 2: including these two sons. So one of the sons truly
Speaker 2: watched his dad get beat to death. And then one
Speaker 2: of the witnesses is quoted to CNN saying he went
Speaker 2: on and on, and I kept hollering and saying stop,
Speaker 2: and I was thinking the whole time, he's either going
Speaker 2: to kill the man or he's going to have brain damage.
Speaker 2: Them testified in court that Costin was beaten so severely
Speaker 2: that he suffered deep hemorrhages on the left side of
Speaker 2: his neck and with the torn artery in the brain
Speaker 2: and like he kind of had a four of a
Speaker 2: stroke from these injuries. And Junta said he was acting
Speaker 2: in self defense after Costin swung at him, and the
Speaker 2: judge told the jury that self defense was illegally acceptable
Speaker 2: defense as long as the force was proportionate to the threat. Now,
Speaker 2: Costin actually has like a really long criminal record, but
Speaker 2: that was not made to the jury because he's like
Speaker 2: that's trying to make the victims seem like something else.
Speaker 2: It probably would have helped paint a picture for the
Speaker 2: Junta team, but that Costin was an aggressor or something,
Speaker 2: but the judge did not allow that.
Speaker 3: They actually both have insane criminal records.
Speaker 2: So Costin had been sentenced to jail ten times for
Speaker 2: terms of fifteen months for or like for assault, battery,
Speaker 2: breaking and entering, assaulting a police officer, violating a restraining
Speaker 2: order taken out by his wife Linda, and then his
Speaker 2: father Gus is quoted in the Time saying how his
Speaker 2: son had a troubled past but was in a good
Speaker 2: mood before his death because he had just one custody
Speaker 2: of his sons and daughter, which seemed insane. So I'm like,
Speaker 2: what is the mom up to? Or is like parents
Speaker 2: syndrome alia? And like how did this guy with all
Speaker 2: these arrests? But it's kind of like when Tom ran
Speaker 2: sand what's the guy from Ravenaugh. It's like when from
Speaker 2: Southern Charm, Like for Catherine not to have the kid,
Speaker 2: it's like they're both bad.
Speaker 3: Like what has yet up to? So I just think
Speaker 3: it's crazy he got custody of his kids.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that does seem crazy moms or mentally unfit or something.
Speaker 2: But he's they've issued restraining orders against him. Yeah, so
Speaker 2: I don't know, but this is just a quote from
Speaker 2: the dad so like I don't know, yeah, yeah. Junta
Speaker 2: also is arrested on charges of a sultan battery and
Speaker 2: breaking and entering, but wasn't convicted in the past. And
Speaker 2: he also had a restraining order in nineteen ninety one
Speaker 2: because he beat her in front of the two children
Speaker 2: and another child. So he like beat his wife at
Speaker 2: a wedding in front of his kids.
Speaker 6: Jesus Christ, this is toskic toxic masculinity, like I know
Speaker 6: for one versus one, like they're basically oh my god.
Speaker 2: All right, So he was found guilty. This is actually
Speaker 2: really confusing. So he was found guilty of involuntary manslaughter
Speaker 2: in January two thousand and two, which only had a
Speaker 2: possible sentence, one source said, for three to five years.
Speaker 2: And then but okay, so a half hour before the
Speaker 2: jury delivered a verdict, the jury asked the judge to
Speaker 2: clarify between voluntary and involuntary manslaughter. And then the jury
Speaker 2: was nine women, three men, and if they found him
Speaker 2: guilty of voluntary manslaughter, he would have been looking at
Speaker 2: eight to twelve years. And it actually took the judge
Speaker 2: asking for the verdict three times for the jury Foreman
Speaker 2: to finally speak and say guilty. So I don't know
Speaker 2: what was really going on, but a bunch of them
Speaker 2: wanted to go voluntary but were talked out of it,
Speaker 2: and eventually, like a lot of the jurors who talked
Speaker 2: were not happy and said, this guy went too far
Speaker 2: and he had lots of chances to stop or call
Speaker 2: the police or do anything. And now NBC Sports reported
Speaker 2: that he served eight years, and that like the local
Speaker 2: WFMY News too said he was sentenced to six to
Speaker 2: ten years, So it's like, I thought he got involuntary
Speaker 2: which is three to five, but he actually got eight.
Speaker 2: And then CBS News reported you could get up to
Speaker 2: twenty years maximum for an involuntary murder charge, so I'm
Speaker 2: not really sure what's up.
Speaker 3: But he got eight.
Speaker 1: Years, even though one source was like, it's only possible
Speaker 1: to get three to five. So I don't know.
Speaker 3: If it's like states, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm also sort of like, like, first degree murder, right,
Speaker 1: is planning intent to kill?
Speaker 3: Right? I thought second degree murder was like murder in the.
Speaker 1: Heat of passion, but that sounds like it's also what
Speaker 1: voluntary manslaughter is.
Speaker 2: No, maybe voluntary is like drunk driving. Yeah, well, it's
Speaker 2: what's drunk driving?
Speaker 3: You think?
Speaker 1: I mean voluntary it said, it's killing of a human
Speaker 1: in which the offender acted in the heat of passion,
Speaker 1: a state that would cause a reasonable person to become
Speaker 1: emotionally or mentally disturbed to the point where they cannot
Speaker 1: control their emotions. It's one of two types of manslaughter.
Speaker 1: So I just don't really understand the difference between. I mean,
Speaker 1: we have so many lawyers that listen, but like, yeah,
Speaker 1: because isn't there also there's also a third degree murder,
Speaker 1: Like there's all there's different degrees of murder. So when
Speaker 1: does it go from manslaughter? Key differences between murder and
Speaker 1: voluntary manslaughter. I mean it probably varies by state as well.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's intent murder. There's an intent to kill. Manslaughter,
Speaker 2: there's not an intent to kill.
Speaker 1: Okay, So second degree murder would be like I was
Speaker 1: in a rage, I went crazy, I couldn't see anything,
Speaker 1: but I kept going until they were dead, whereas event
Speaker 1: manslaughter is like I was just trying to hurt them
Speaker 1: and I killed them by accident. Yeah, yeah, okay, got it. Okay,
Speaker 1: seems important. Episode two d and seventy eight.
Speaker 2: The guy served eight years, and the judge went along
Speaker 2: with the recommended sentence from prosecution but believed it was
Speaker 2: too lenya and generous, and he was denied parl twice.
Speaker 3: And that's that, damn. And I hope no one speaks
Speaker 3: to him. I think he died great, Sorry, I didn't
Speaker 3: know that. That's pretty unprofessional with me. No, that's okay.
Speaker 1: I know. I only know because I really quickly looked
Speaker 1: at the thing and I saw his death date when
Speaker 1: I was first looking up the thing.
Speaker 3: I think he died cancer. But damn, well, the end
Speaker 3: to that story.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, the fs it's like, get a couple like,
Speaker 2: knock him out, but then you gotta leave. Don't knock
Speaker 2: I get, like, don't be violent ever, but like, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's like you severed a brain artery fifteen points.
Speaker 3: Like what are you talking about? You're more giant than him. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's so.
Speaker 1: I just hate violence like that of any kind really,
Speaker 1: unless like you're truly defending someone from like being attacked.
Speaker 1: I really just fights, like at concerts or anytime I
Speaker 1: see a fight, I'm always like, oh I hate this,
Speaker 1: so all right, I like too, But I would go
Speaker 1: to a couple of public executions if I could, I
Speaker 1: would say on the heels of public executions. We have
Speaker 1: a pretty cute little guest coming up, so don't go anywhere.
Speaker 3: We got a little we got a little cutie. Why
Speaker 3: are you connecting them?
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, we're going straight from people beating each
Speaker 1: other to death and hanging billionaires in the streets to
Speaker 1: a little sweetheart. Our guest today is a young actor
Speaker 1: who has been featured on such shows as Nicky Ricky,
Speaker 1: Dicky and Dawn Bunked and Elena of Avalor. But you
Speaker 1: know him best today as the star hockey player with
Speaker 1: a messed up family, Kyle Turner.
Speaker 3: Please enjoy our chat with the lovely Lincoln Melcher.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, it's so crazy to see you like
Speaker 1: grown up. I know this sounds crazy, but it's like
Speaker 1: I just watched your little episode where you're this little cutie,
Speaker 1: and now you're like a full grown person.
Speaker 5: How was a baby?
Speaker 3: Yeah? How old were you when you filmed this? Like thirteen?
Speaker 5: Or I believe I was twelve. I think I was.
Speaker 7: I was in seventh grade at the time, and now
Speaker 7: I'm a senior in college, so it's been it's been.
Speaker 5: A long time.
Speaker 7: What are you majoring in I'm a political science major
Speaker 7: in a theater minor.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, so are you maybe gonna get are you gonna?
Speaker 1: I mean, I know you're still acting, Like I see
Speaker 1: your credits and stuff, but like, are you is that
Speaker 1: the way you want to go?
Speaker 3: Or in your back pocket?
Speaker 5: Writing in the back pocket? Maybe we'll see.
Speaker 7: But uh yeah, acting, writing up and doing improv with
Speaker 7: my college improv team too.
Speaker 5: It's been a lot of fun.
Speaker 3: Oh cool, I did improv in college. And are you
Speaker 3: you're from California?
Speaker 5: I am, I'm from Burbank.
Speaker 3: So then you booked and flew to New York.
Speaker 5: It was pretty insane. It was a quick turnaround. It
Speaker 5: was I had done. I was shooting actually a Disney
Speaker 5: Channel show at the time.
Speaker 7: Uh, and I got the email for a self tape,
Speaker 7: and we like scrambled to go get it done, finish
Speaker 7: the self tape, turned it in, and then literally like
Speaker 7: the next day I got the email I'd gotten it,
Speaker 7: and then they had us on a flight the next
Speaker 7: morning at like four o'clock in the morning. So it
Speaker 7: was a pretty quick, like whirlwind turnaround. But super cool.
Speaker 3: Did you take classes? How'd you learn?
Speaker 2: Were you good at memorizing like I don't know what,
Speaker 2: So what were your skills?
Speaker 1: Then?
Speaker 7: I think I think just being like a twelve year old,
Speaker 7: things just kind of like make sense to you a
Speaker 7: little bit more than as an adult. You tend to
Speaker 7: complicate things as you get older a little bit. But yeah, no,
Speaker 7: I just I've been doing it since I was super little.
Speaker 7: I actually went up the way I got into it.
Speaker 7: I was four years old. My mom was doing a
Speaker 7: Tibo class in Citio City and the lady who worked
Speaker 7: at the front happened to be like an acting manager,
Speaker 7: and she was like, Hey, do you want to be
Speaker 7: on television?
Speaker 5: And I was like, yeah, of course. So I got
Speaker 5: from there.
Speaker 7: I booked like a Mont's Applesauce commercial right away, like
Speaker 7: my first audition, and then immediately got fired because I
Speaker 7: wasn't I was a four year old, and like, I
Speaker 7: was supposed to walk through this house like with my
Speaker 7: backpack first day of school, and I just insisted upon
Speaker 7: like swinging it over my head.
Speaker 1: You were trying to play in real, Try to play
Speaker 1: the real I have a four year old boy right now,
Speaker 1: and that's the reality of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he got fired because you wouldn't stop spinning your immediately.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, there was a stand in named Shane.
Speaker 7: And I still remember that because every time, I don't know,
Speaker 7: every time I feel like I'm not I'm not there,
Speaker 7: I'm my God, I better I better lock in because
Speaker 7: they got Shane in the back.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a Shane ready to take your place a moment.
Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3: Love this tybo front desk slash talent Matter.
Speaker 5: Right, it's so Hollywood.
Speaker 7: It's just like it's the epitome of a Hollywood Hollywood
Speaker 7: origin story.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, obsessed.
Speaker 1: Well, I wanted to ask, like, you know, what was
Speaker 1: did you know anything about SVU at twelve years old,
Speaker 1: Like did you know the subject matter?
Speaker 3: And like was it scary?
Speaker 1: But like you were in a Ouiji Origin of Evil
Speaker 1: the year before, so I guess SVU was probably like
Speaker 1: a step down from that.
Speaker 5: It's true, I don't know.
Speaker 7: I mean, I mean this subject especially switching from like
Speaker 7: Disney Channel to yeah, it's sort of a whiplash there, Yeah,
Speaker 7: to to some serious SPU stuff. Yeah, for sure, I
Speaker 7: mean it was it was definitely more serious. But I
Speaker 7: feel like I don't know, I was kind of my
Speaker 7: family has always been sort of like I don't know,
Speaker 7: I was allowed to watch right onar movies way too young,
Speaker 7: Like it wasn't it wasn't anything I hadn't seen before,
Speaker 7: I guess.
Speaker 2: But well, any scoop, any moments with any of the
Speaker 2: detectives or you know, some give it.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I remember kind of a funny when I think
Speaker 7: we shot in like twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen, something like that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there was.
Speaker 7: I don't know if you guys remember the Juju on
Speaker 7: that Beat challenge, the dance the Juju.
Speaker 3: I don't remember that.
Speaker 5: Not like gen zing myself.
Speaker 3: Right now on the beat.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's Juju on that beat. It's like, I don't know.
Speaker 5: It was like a silly dance challenge from the twenty
Speaker 5: tens amongst.
Speaker 3: I'm sure a lot of our listeners will know it.
Speaker 5: I hope.
Speaker 7: So, I hope I'm connected with Sella here, Marishka's son.
Speaker 7: I guess they call him Juju. So I was doing
Speaker 7: this Juju on that beat dance, just like, what is that?
Speaker 7: What you have to teach me this dance? So I'm
Speaker 7: if you ever see Mariska Harketed doing the Juju on
Speaker 7: that beat dance, just now that I'm the one that's odder.
Speaker 2: So, Wow, you guys did good rock dances together, I have.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's there's a legacy there for sure.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: And then you were and we call it cement room bars.
Speaker 2: How is it being in all the sets?
Speaker 5: I mean it was realistic, I really well.
Speaker 7: Actually, the craziest one we filmed some of those hospital
Speaker 7: scenes in like an abandoned hospital somewhere. I'm like, and
Speaker 7: it was freaky, Like the vibe was definitely definitely spooky.
Speaker 7: B So that was yeah, that was That was probably
Speaker 7: the strangest place that we filmed. But even like all
Speaker 7: the like the prison sets and stuff, they feel real
Speaker 7: to I've been watching one TV. You think they're real
Speaker 7: until you walk in and there's like a, I don't know,
Speaker 7: just a huge screen behind the windows.
Speaker 2: I know, they really make beautiful windows scapes on sunsets
Speaker 2: are gorgeous and really kind of nail it. Would you
Speaker 2: ever live in New York? Are you LA forever?
Speaker 5: I think so? I mean I definitely I have some
Speaker 5: LA loyalty for sure.
Speaker 7: But I was in New York this summer and I
Speaker 7: was kind of scoping it out, and I think I
Speaker 7: think I could see myself see myself over here at
Speaker 7: some point, maybe not now, but.
Speaker 3: Like, where would you do? Is that?
Speaker 1: Like why theater versus acting or film or something like that,
Speaker 1: Like why do you want to do the stage?
Speaker 7: I'm I'm totally into into all of it. I'm actually
Speaker 7: right now I'm doing I'm I'm at Playhouse West doing
Speaker 7: like a Meisner program. So that's that's a lot. I've
Speaker 7: been getting a lot on stage, a lot that's been
Speaker 7: really good. I mean, I feel like that's that's for sure.
Speaker 7: The best way to practice is just getting up on stage.
Speaker 7: Like the scariest form of acting I feel. I mean,
Speaker 7: on a set, you get like a million tries and
Speaker 7: then you get to the stage.
Speaker 5: It's like, all right, don't don't mess this up. Get
Speaker 5: one shot.
Speaker 7: But yeah, I'd love to do I'd definitely love to
Speaker 7: do more theater in the future for sure.
Speaker 1: So wait, when you did this this uh episode, did
Speaker 1: you know how to skate or play hok like play
Speaker 1: hockey or anything or did they ask me I did that?
Speaker 7: No, they put me in like these moon boot kind
Speaker 7: of things that I guess like have traction on the ice.
Speaker 7: Even though I was I was I wanted to skate,
Speaker 7: I kept talking. I wanted to I mean, I would
Speaker 7: have fallen on my ass, but I really to get
Speaker 7: out there. It looked like fun. But yeah, those were cool.
Speaker 7: I've never seen those before.
Speaker 3: You were moon boots.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they were moon boot esque. I don't know, I
Speaker 5: don't know what the techn so that.
Speaker 1: You could be on the ice in them without like
Speaker 1: actually skating.
Speaker 7: Yeah, so a few of those shots, it's it's actually yeah, yeah,
Speaker 7: I was on the ice, but not not actually wearing skates.
Speaker 3: Was the gear heavy?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it was. It was like hockey gear.
Speaker 5: It was.
Speaker 3: I would just hate to have to carry that around.
Speaker 5: I know.
Speaker 7: And I'm a sweater too, I mean, I'm yeah, it's
Speaker 7: a lot. It's a burden.
Speaker 3: Are you are?
Speaker 1: Have you cotton heated rival fever? Heated rivalry fever?
Speaker 5: I have not yet, but I feel like I've got
Speaker 5: to tap in.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Everyone's been saying.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I was wondering if like your age was
Speaker 1: into it.
Speaker 3: My niece is twenty one, she's about to be twenty one.
Speaker 3: She likes it. Oh yeah, that's right.
Speaker 5: I mean a ton about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're kind of we picked the hockey episode because
Speaker 2: of it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, good figure.
Speaker 3: It's like timely.
Speaker 1: I mean, unfortunately, the show Heated Rivalry is like all
Speaker 1: about consent, and this show is a little bit different,
Speaker 1: you know, a little bit different.
Speaker 3: And it just always sucks when it's a parent too.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I know I was watching last night. Was I
Speaker 7: was like heartbroken for myself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, wait, how did it feel? What were your thoughts
Speaker 1: watching it? No?
Speaker 5: I mean it's tough.
Speaker 7: I feel like it's tough to watch anything that you're in.
Speaker 7: But honestly, like being ten years removed from it and
Speaker 7: like kind of just watching it as like this is
Speaker 7: like a little twelve year old kid. I was impressed.
Speaker 7: I thought I was give myself a pat on the back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, twelve years old and you're flying cross country to
Speaker 1: like live in New York for a week or two
Speaker 1: and be like in this television.
Speaker 5: Show inherently kind of terrified.
Speaker 3: Yeah that's like a lot. Wow.
Speaker 1: Okay, So yeah, you had like so many you had
Speaker 1: a lot of face time with Peter Scanavino, if you
Speaker 1: remember that, like he's you know, he's still with the show.
Speaker 1: He was you know, I think they were trying to
Speaker 1: draw a little a little uh, get a little bit
Speaker 1: of his history out through your storyline, and that was
Speaker 1: kind of fun.
Speaker 3: Did your parents watch it? Like, did you all watch
Speaker 3: it together?
Speaker 5: Yeah? When it came out, Yeah, we did, like a
Speaker 5: little living room party.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's such a weird thing to watch as like
Speaker 2: a party setting, but it makes sense.
Speaker 5: Yeah it's not real.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like it's a very like some episodes of
Speaker 1: Rest of You actually have like some humor in them
Speaker 1: in our life pretty and could be campy.
Speaker 3: This one is not one of those.
Speaker 5: I didn't remember that the end was so bleak.
Speaker 7: I figured that it had like some sort of like,
Speaker 7: oh no, there's gonna be some sort of up ticket
Speaker 7: the end.
Speaker 1: The end is like Dad is dad and he's going
Speaker 1: to jail. The end is really freaking bleak. Did you
Speaker 1: get along with the other like kids on the set?
Speaker 1: There were like a bunch of boys right in the episode.
Speaker 1: Were you guys like, yeah, what's up? Let's drink full?
Speaker 1: So like full caffeine, SODA's and parties.
Speaker 5: I'm sure, I'm sure we're horrible.
Speaker 7: I feel like we didn't spend too much time with
Speaker 7: the whole hockey team, but yeah, I mean, honestly, all
Speaker 7: I remember from that set is just that everyone everyone
Speaker 7: got along super well. I remember I spent a lot
Speaker 7: of time with Christopher, like col who played Jack, and
Speaker 7: he was super sweet.
Speaker 5: I felt horrible.
Speaker 3: From what I've done to and then he died.
Speaker 7: Yeah that was and then he died. Yeah, and then
Speaker 7: no more friend on set exactly.
Speaker 3: But what are your go to snacks on set?
Speaker 7: Oh my gosh. I mean that's the biggest part of
Speaker 7: it for me is the crafty table. I'm I'm chocolate reverse.
Speaker 7: Now I get migraines when I when I eat chocolate,
Speaker 7: so I can't dip into the chocolate. Eminem's used to
Speaker 7: be my go to but now I think kind of
Speaker 7: a banana guy.
Speaker 3: I don't know, is that like a banana guy?
Speaker 7: Okay, I'm always there for whenever they have like an
Speaker 7: omelet bar, I'm there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's good.
Speaker 5: Those are my go to.
Speaker 3: Omelet You really can't beat it. Your sister is like
Speaker 3: a big influencer on the internet.
Speaker 1: She is because I was just googling you in preparation
Speaker 1: for today and I saw your sister and I was like, wait,
Speaker 1: I've seen this girls videos before.
Speaker 7: Like I'm sure, I'm I think everyone has. She is
Speaker 7: the queen of of of TikTok rage bait she's a
Speaker 7: self proclaimed troll.
Speaker 5: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like Louisa, right, Louisa Melcher.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, Louisa.
Speaker 7: Yes, she actually well, she originally was not really like
Speaker 7: interested in acting or any of like the performance side
Speaker 7: of things. And then she got to college and she
Speaker 7: was an art history major and then she switched to
Speaker 7: theater her senior year and I was like, okay, so
Speaker 7: you're blatantly copying me, you're ripping my thing. But all right,
Speaker 7: and yeah, then this this crazy social media troll situation
Speaker 7: just bloomed and she's now like she's she's she's the
Speaker 7: real performative family right now.
Speaker 5: I mean, she's she's taking the cake.
Speaker 1: So she just started making like because I've seen some
Speaker 1: of the videos, but I don't did she oh did
Speaker 1: she do one where she pretended like that her fiance
Speaker 1: proposed to her at a marathon or something like that.
Speaker 5: And she sure, I mean I can't even it.
Speaker 1: Was just to make people mad at the fiance. Okay, wait,
Speaker 1: well she has one.
Speaker 2: Now my fiance is currently in police custody for the
Speaker 2: Louver heist.
Speaker 5: There we go. Yeah, that's a pretty good example.
Speaker 7: She had one that she actually had she uh, she
Speaker 7: had my mom and I be a part of where where.
Speaker 5: She said that my mom had had like a situationship
Speaker 5: with the pope. In that that got like twenty million views.
Speaker 7: People were convinced that the friends of mine were coming
Speaker 7: with me at school and being like, is that that's crazy?
Speaker 5: Like the Pope is your dad? I'm like, no, no.
Speaker 1: Wait, I'm kind of upsessed. She has this post that's like, guys,
Speaker 1: I just got raptured. I literally just got raptured. I'm
Speaker 1: freaking out there letting me keep my phone. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: so funny. So wait, that's crazy. Okay, So is it
Speaker 1: just you too? Do you have other sibs?
Speaker 5: It's just us too?
Speaker 1: Wow, And you're both like performers and one of you
Speaker 1: was discovered at a Tybo studio and the other one
Speaker 1: is a rage bait TikToker. I mean truly, this is
Speaker 1: this is the future.
Speaker 5: It's the quintessential Hollywood got it all gone?
Speaker 3: Does your mom still do Tybo?
Speaker 5: She does it, she knows she's sweat. She's more of
Speaker 5: a a yogi now.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but.
Speaker 5: In the future, I just.
Speaker 2: Want to let her know that it's on YouTube and
Speaker 2: I'm a Tibo person. We're still you're still out there.
Speaker 5: If she wants to.
Speaker 7: Know some of those old Billy Blanks videos, she might
Speaker 7: be in there. You might be working out with my mom.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, wait are your parents show biz parents?
Speaker 5: My dad works in game shows.
Speaker 7: He's a he's a writer. So right now he's working
Speaker 7: on the on the floor with Rob Love.
Speaker 1: Okay, he head on over to Ireland to film he does.
Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, exactly, I.
Speaker 3: Had like two friends be on that show. I should
Speaker 3: be on the floor.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I'll.
Speaker 1: See what is it the one where you go back
Speaker 1: and forth about like pasta shapes or something?
Speaker 5: Yeah, the cake.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I could do a good job.
Speaker 5: I think I would freeze and do a horrible job.
Speaker 3: But that's true too. I love a game show.
Speaker 2: So what what other game shows did you go to
Speaker 2: sets when you were a kid?
Speaker 5: I honestly did not know.
Speaker 7: I mean most of the time it was they were
Speaker 7: in weird places, like yeah, they would always shoot in
Speaker 7: like New York or Vegas or yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, game shows are are all over the place. What what? Yeah?
Speaker 3: What other stuff has your dad done besides the floor.
Speaker 5: Well he did.
Speaker 7: He also so who wants to be a millionaire? He
Speaker 7: was doing before. Okay, change the game for practical jokers. Okay,
Speaker 7: I'm like not doing him justice.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna it.
Speaker 3: Wants to be a millionaire. Was always in New York.
Speaker 3: I thought it was so he was in New York
Speaker 3: for a little bit to do that. Okay, because Sarah
Speaker 3: Shaeffer used to write on that.
Speaker 5: Yeah cool.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and now him and my mom, uh they work
Speaker 7: on like original game shows together, and they pitched those, so.
Speaker 5: Oh pretty cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how I used to make money as a
Speaker 2: young comedian. I would book these weird game shows Truth Truth, Lie, Detectors,
Speaker 2: Joker Off, Yeah, comedy Knaka. I was, I like, well,
Speaker 2: I love games, but yeah, that's so exciting.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 7: I think I'm like kind of banned from being on
Speaker 7: a game show ever now because he's he's so like
Speaker 7: tied into that world.
Speaker 1: Yeah, get like, ye, someday I want to be on
Speaker 1: Family Feud.
Speaker 3: That's that. I'm sure.
Speaker 7: I yell at the TV when I watched that show.
Speaker 7: I think I could do a much better job than
Speaker 7: most of the people on there.
Speaker 1: Of course, Oh my gosh, what an interesting Okay. So
Speaker 1: now you're like, so you guys play games at home?
Speaker 1: Are your parents like no game. We can't do any
Speaker 1: games at home.
Speaker 5: My mom hates games. Yeah, we don't. Oh, we're not
Speaker 5: even a game family. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Wait, so you also play golf?
Speaker 5: I do.
Speaker 1: You're on the UCLA golf team. Is that really competitive?
Speaker 1: I mean, not to bring it back to the episode,
Speaker 1: but did your dad ever twist your wrist because you
Speaker 1: didn't make a good score in golf?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 7: But that I mean yeah, I mean growing up, so yeah,
Speaker 7: I played competitive. I've been playing competitive golf since I
Speaker 7: was like six years old.
Speaker 1: Really, there's competitive golf when you're six. Oh of course
Speaker 1: I didn't know golf. Golf feels like something that starts
Speaker 1: out like when you're twelve, Like it doesn't feel like
Speaker 1: it seems like a little.
Speaker 5: Baby when you're seventy No, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, when you're around yeah.
Speaker 7: Once yeah, once your hair goes great, that's when you
Speaker 7: start playing. No, it was, I mean for sure, you see,
Speaker 7: like a lot of like my parents never cared. I mean,
Speaker 7: no one in my family plays golf except for my grandpa.
Speaker 7: So he was the only one that was really like,
Speaker 7: actually know what was going on all the time. My
Speaker 7: mom sort of grew to learn because she would take
Speaker 7: me to tournaments and stuff. But yeah, I mean there's
Speaker 7: definitely some some serious golf parents. The golf dads are
Speaker 7: no joke.
Speaker 5: But yeah, I played.
Speaker 7: Throughout high school, I sorted taking it a bit more seriously,
Speaker 7: and then played two years of D one golf at
Speaker 7: UCLA And now I've sort of switched my focus back
Speaker 7: to performing and yeah, getting back.
Speaker 5: To that that that side of my world.
Speaker 3: Athlete.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, it's I mean it's intense, it's it's it's
Speaker 7: a lot, it's a full time job, but it's super cool.
Speaker 7: I mean, I've gotten to play like all the coolest
Speaker 7: golf courses that I've that I've had wanted to play
Speaker 7: since I was a kid, and it was Yeah, I
Speaker 7: don't know, I like, will never not love just being
Speaker 7: out on the golf course.
Speaker 3: So do you golf casually all the time?
Speaker 4: I do?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 2: And then are you stunting on people? And I go WHOA?
Speaker 5: Every once in a while you have to write.
Speaker 2: I don't know, it brings me no joy. I went
Speaker 2: to a driving range once. It gave me nothing, and
Speaker 2: I gave the bucket of balls to someone and left.
Speaker 7: I See, I don't think if I wasn't if I
Speaker 7: hadn't started with I was a kid.
Speaker 5: I don't know if i'd super be into it now.
Speaker 5: No people are. It takes a while to get pretty good.
Speaker 3: So you're graduating in one a couple of.
Speaker 5: Months, graduating in June.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then what's the plan?
Speaker 5: So a few more?
Speaker 7: Well hopefully, I mean I've been auditioning a lot, been
Speaker 7: writing a lot. I want to start maybe doing some
Speaker 7: la improv. I haven't decided if I want to start
Speaker 7: with you know, you see beer Groundlings. But yeah, in
Speaker 7: the comedy scene, keep auditioning, just I don't know, make
Speaker 7: some creative stuff happen.
Speaker 3: That's cool.
Speaker 1: I did all of the UCB at in New York,
Speaker 1: but uh oh cool in l A. I've only really
Speaker 1: done stand up at UCB. But I think Groundlings is
Speaker 1: awesome too. It's I don't know, I don't really know
Speaker 1: what makes people choose one versus the other, to be honest,
Speaker 1: a lot of really fun people.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have to ask around a little. Yeah, you
Speaker 3: got to be back on SVU. What would you like
Speaker 3: to come back? As?
Speaker 5: Oh, I mean I need however.
Speaker 1: They have different Yeah, what would you want to come back?
Speaker 7: I'll be like the rookie, like the agent. I don't know, whatever,
Speaker 7: whatever they need.
Speaker 1: Because like you look, not that they care, They bring
Speaker 1: people back on all the time, but like you look
Speaker 1: very different, like when you were a kid. Your hair
Speaker 1: is lighter, like you know, you're just like you look different.
Speaker 5: So it's true.
Speaker 3: I think we could.
Speaker 1: No one would be like, hey, that's the kid that
Speaker 1: did that hockey stick.
Speaker 7: And even if they'd be like, wow, this kid has
Speaker 7: such an amazing redemption.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, we need you back on.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I agree, Yeah, I agree, let's make it happen.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 2: Also, since you're in call, are they are? Do you
Speaker 2: find that your peers are reading? Or do you think
Speaker 2: we're cooked?
Speaker 5: Are people doing? Peers are reading? No?
Speaker 7: Yes, I think that that the art has not been lost.
Speaker 7: Also mean I go to UCLA, we have kind of
Speaker 7: like a there's this whole performative era that's sort of
Speaker 7: going on currently right now too, so it's hard to
Speaker 7: discern who's reading like and who's reading to seem like
Speaker 7: they're uh cool and smoked cigarettes and.
Speaker 5: Are from silver Lake.
Speaker 3: And I have noticed that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they're back in a scary way.
Speaker 3: And it's because of heat of rivalry.
Speaker 5: I think staying away.
Speaker 7: Who knows it seems like everything is sort of coming
Speaker 7: back to that heat of robbery for me.
Speaker 3: I mean that's how I started reading.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, right, but yeah, I think reading it. Reading
Speaker 5: is back in. Reading is in.
Speaker 3: Reading is in, reading is in. Cigarettes are in. So
Speaker 3: the kids are doing their homework.
Speaker 5: No, no, the kids are doing their homework.
Speaker 1: Okay, wait, before we and also before we end that way,
Speaker 1: first of all, I have to say, getting you back
Speaker 1: on Law and Order doesn't seem impossible at all, because
Speaker 1: you also just did a Chicago med Dick Wolf Universe.
Speaker 1: They still got you. They've still got you spinning around
Speaker 1: in the Dick Wolf universe. But you also did an
Speaker 1: episode of The Thunderman's which is like my daughter's favorite show.
Speaker 1: And I've been doing a joke in my stand up
Speaker 1: lately that that show is making my daughter talk like
Speaker 1: a Nickelodeon kid. Now she'll be like, Mom, you gotta
Speaker 1: see what Oscar's doing.
Speaker 3: I'm like, why are you talking like that?
Speaker 1: Like she just that is hilarious, you know, and you
Speaker 1: play like the one of the main characters a young version.
Speaker 7: Yeah that was just like a one episode. Yeah that
Speaker 7: is that's so funny that you mentioned that too. There
Speaker 7: it's like that Nickelodeon Disney Channel Cadence is so recognizable.
Speaker 3: Totally.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I worked on a Nickelodeon show when I
Speaker 1: was younger, like on the production side, and was like, wow,
Speaker 1: these kids really do have a way of talking. But
Speaker 1: now my daughter and then you did a voice on
Speaker 1: Elena of Avalor, which is my son's favorite cartoon show.
Speaker 3: So today you're definitely kids.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Top, They're gonna be exciting, They're gonna.
Speaker 5: Be I'm honored.
Speaker 3: Oh my god. Well, we can't wait to see what
Speaker 3: you do. Yeah. I can't wait to see what you
Speaker 3: do next.
Speaker 5: I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: I loved him. What a young man, What a nice
Speaker 1: young man. You know, we talk sometimes to some young
Speaker 1: people and it just gives me some faith in the future.
Speaker 3: I feel like, that's a nice kid. That's a kid
Speaker 3: that's gonna help.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's good at a lot of stuff, sweet Eye,
Speaker 2: this is great. Oh wait, I know I've been talking
Speaker 2: a lot about stickers, but my friend got me a
Speaker 2: sticker book, like from childhood. So the sheets will keep
Speaker 2: all my stickers safe, you know, like you can take.
Speaker 1: Them on it, you can take them on and off.
Speaker 1: Did you not grow up doing this. No, wait, you
Speaker 1: can take the sticker on and off, Like the material
Speaker 1: of this paper is like a sticker backing sheet.
Speaker 2: Oh so you can like they can live forever here.
Speaker 2: You can then use them, but they can live here.
Speaker 2: I've never seen that. Oh yeah, this was like a
Speaker 2: big deal to me in second grade. But Julia was
Speaker 2: in La and the store is in La. It's called
Speaker 2: Sticker Planet. Cool, it's aid the Grove, and so it's
Speaker 2: like these sheets and then I got like, she brought
Speaker 2: me these stickers so you can go nice.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh that's great the grove. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I just feel like we had sticker books that were
Speaker 1: like albums, were like I don't know if you like
Speaker 1: put them in sheets, but that's better.
Speaker 3: What you have is better. I just I think you're confused.
Speaker 2: You might not have, but the people you saw with
Speaker 2: sticker books were using this because what's the point You
Speaker 2: could just put it in a notebook, Like, what's the
Speaker 2: point of a sticker book if you can't be switching
Speaker 2: and flopping and flipping.
Speaker 1: This is what your peers were using. Okay, did you
Speaker 1: collect erasers?
Speaker 3: What were you doing? Any books? Glass troll dolls? Troll
Speaker 3: dolls for like a minute, but I wasn't.
Speaker 2: But I'm talking school. I'm talking little pencils. Do you
Speaker 2: have the pencils with the lead that you pushed from
Speaker 2: the bottom. They smelled like little oranges? Like what did
Speaker 2: you get at the book fair? Did you get book marks?
Speaker 1: Uh? Huh?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I had that stuff, okay, and pencil toppers. I likes
Speaker 1: different erasers, erasers that smelled like fruit and stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I had that stuff.
Speaker 1: I just don't think stickers was ever like a big
Speaker 1: but my kids love stickers. They have a sticker box
Speaker 1: with all their stickers just loose.
Speaker 3: So that's the thing.
Speaker 2: So you should get them this book because when it's loose,
Speaker 2: it's like they're not actually being used.
Speaker 3: You're like holding on them.
Speaker 2: And I do like buying stickers, but this I can
Speaker 2: like put them in fund designs, group them together, and
Speaker 2: then if I want to use them, I can.
Speaker 1: They'll stay fresh for me. That's a great idea. I
Speaker 1: got to do it. Yeah, I think your kids will
Speaker 1: like it. And it's I guess it's in the farmer's
Speaker 1: market of the grove.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: I know we have to talk about hockey and sex crimes.
Speaker 2: I apologize.
Speaker 1: I haven't been over to the fucking Grove in a minutely,
Speaker 1: just stickers right now. I used to be a real
Speaker 1: Grove devotee when I lived in West Hollywood.
Speaker 3: Okay, so.
Speaker 2: Topic, masculinity ruins everything. It's wrong, it's bad, and it's
Speaker 2: the cause of everything bad.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, that's what I was gonna say.
Speaker 1: And also like yes, and like men having this whole
Speaker 1: idea that their children are like their legacy and like
Speaker 1: they have to accomplish all the things that you failed
Speaker 1: at or fucked up at, Like that's really actually not
Speaker 1: what they're for children, So don't put that on.
Speaker 3: I mean, also, oh my gosh, but like I don't
Speaker 3: know this. This is sad.
Speaker 2: It's sad. This little boy, it's sad. He killed his
Speaker 2: fucking friend. His friend's dead, raped in front of his
Speaker 2: other friends. But what the fuck? And then the dad,
Speaker 2: I mean, my favorite part of that episode, I will
Speaker 2: be honest, is the dad going whatever, some plans don't
Speaker 2: work out. Yeah, you gotta listen to everything I say,
Speaker 2: and it's like you do beat him if he doesn't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, I don't know what you want from this kid,
Speaker 1: so true, Like what what sure I told you to?
Speaker 3: You know, anally rape your friend.
Speaker 1: Things don't work out sometimes, stop being a bitch, like
Speaker 1: get oh my god.
Speaker 3: But you know, it's like that man was.
Speaker 1: Probably abused and his dad was probably abused. It's like
Speaker 1: just a fucking cycle of violence that you're at liberty
Speaker 1: to break at any point.
Speaker 2: But yes, straight in the middle of it, like this
Speaker 2: podcast has broken my brain.
Speaker 3: In the middle of my set. It was like a
Speaker 3: weird moment. Something happened.
Speaker 2: I go, just so you know, child marriage is legal
Speaker 2: in most states in America. Yeah, And then it was
Speaker 2: dead silent, and I go, I made you laugh enough
Speaker 2: you can hear a hard fact. I go, the laws
Speaker 2: do that so then your parents can marry you off
Speaker 2: and then it's not pedophilia.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: Was this on stage or was it yeah in oh
Speaker 1: oh yeah, like was this with a friend group?
Speaker 2: Nope, on stage, No, it's on stage. The silent moment.
Speaker 2: I don't know how it came up. I should watch
Speaker 2: the tape, but I just decided.
Speaker 1: And then it was silent, and I go, whatever, I'll
Speaker 1: do a joke next, but something to think about.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Sometimes you gotta you gotta you gotta share a fact.
Speaker 1: You gotta aero sex crime Factuh.
Speaker 3: No, this is a terrible episode.
Speaker 2: Sports should be fun, like you can win and be
Speaker 2: a good person, Like I just you could be competitive
Speaker 2: on the court and not rape your friend with a
Speaker 2: hockey stick in front of his friends.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just kind of like can't. It's like why
Speaker 1: I sort of couldn't get into Friday Night Lights. It's
Speaker 1: like I just I'm like, I just have a hard
Speaker 1: time taking sports that seriously.
Speaker 2: That's like I think it's crazy about how cute when
Speaker 2: Michael B. Jordan and Jesse Plemons had a cute moment
Speaker 2: when Michael won the oscar?
Speaker 3: Did you see that? Because they were both on Friday
Speaker 3: Night Lights.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so when he walked off, he like he didn't.
Speaker 1: I just think that I didn't know that. I was
Speaker 1: like origin was Friday Night Lights? Well for me, he
Speaker 1: was in Parenthood and he was in the wire, but
Speaker 1: like Parenthood was he played one of the girls boyfriends? Yes, yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: and Bruiteville Station. I could not watch, but it like
Speaker 1: I remember that movie.
Speaker 3: Out Yes, I remember that being like, who's Michael B. Jordan?
Speaker 3: That sounds like is he related to Michael Jordan?
Speaker 1: And then that but that I remember being his big
Speaker 1: thing that like was what made people pay attention to him.
Speaker 1: But also a fun little cameo is Cragan is going
Speaker 1: to be on the pit. I mean at this point
Speaker 1: that this episode's out, it's already the episode's already come out.
Speaker 1: So if you're a Pitthead, get over there, babies, Cragan
Speaker 1: is in.
Speaker 3: I hope it's a crossover. I hope he's just playing
Speaker 3: Don Craigan.
Speaker 1: He's like, he moved to Pittsburgh after New York and
Speaker 1: that's where he is, and he's having heart palpitations and
Speaker 1: he needs to go see doctor Noah Wiley. All right,
Speaker 1: let's get into Sister Peg that. What would Sister Peg
Speaker 1: Do is our weekly segment where we direct you to
Speaker 1: an organization, a book, a documentary, something to give you
Speaker 1: more information about what we talked about in the episode,
Speaker 1: or just on the subject. And we kind of talked
Speaker 1: in this episode a little bit about how hockey is,
Speaker 1: you know, not not super diverse, and it's it feels
Speaker 1: like it's mostly for kids with more money, and we
Speaker 1: wanted to point you to the Hockey Diversity Alliance, which
Speaker 1: is an organization to committed to fostering inclusivity, combating discrimination,
Speaker 1: and advancing diversity within the hockey community. They have education programs,
Speaker 1: social initiatives, and scholarships. So if you'd like to volunteer
Speaker 1: or donate, head on over to the Hockeydiversity Alliance dot org.
Speaker 1: So I'm sure Heated Rivalry is bringing a lot of
Speaker 1: attention to the hockey world, but let's get some diversity
Speaker 1: in over there. And yeah, we'll pot that will be
Speaker 1: linked in our show notes and we'll be posted in
Speaker 1: our stories the day this episode comes out, and those
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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for that.
Speaker 2: And next week there's another episode We Never Stop and
Speaker 2: it is called Father Dearest, so obviously sick and twisted.
Speaker 2: Season thirteen, Episode twenty. We're obsessed with you always forever.
Speaker 2: Please come see me on the road. I think I'm
Speaker 2: somewhere tonight, to.
Speaker 1: Be honest, So yeah, the thirty first or the thirtieth
Speaker 1: oh of April of April, I've honestly never been home
Speaker 1: for this long, Like I don't even know what I'm
Speaker 1: gonna do.
Speaker 3: I'm truly home for like five weeks in a row.
Speaker 2: That's never happened since COVID, and I just like, I
Speaker 2: can't even believe it.
Speaker 3: It'll be fun. I'm thrilled. I'm thrilled.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna like, oh my god, I can't. I
Speaker 1: can't even believe I'm gonna be like a regular girl. Well,
Speaker 1: because yesterday I was like, I love happy hour. I
Speaker 1: love seeing people like outside of work, you know, like
Speaker 1: I love being a part of the cult.
Speaker 3: And she Actulia was like, I love that.
Speaker 2: Happy hour is just like a fun experience, a little
Speaker 2: a little trivial moment for you.
Speaker 1: She's not your reality at all, coming to drown out
Speaker 1: your job.
Speaker 2: But I was like, yeah, for sure, I just feel
Speaker 2: like I'm in sex and the city, you know. And
Speaker 2: and shego happy hour was illegal. I never experienced it. Why,
Speaker 2: Oh that's such a weird thing, is it true.
Speaker 1: Someone was telling me that bars in New York close
Speaker 1: early now, like since COVID.
Speaker 3: Honey, I can get you to four am if you
Speaker 3: want to stay up. I was like, I haven't heard that.
Speaker 3: I mean some bars do.
Speaker 2: I'm sad with cellcle closes there's less diners whatever, but like, yeah,
Speaker 2: you could stay out if you want to stay out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: and why don't you be cool be friends with a
Speaker 2: bartender and be able to stay later. I don't know
Speaker 2: what to tell you, fucking dork. And with that, we'll
Speaker 2: see you next week. Bye, guys. That's Messed Up as
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