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Speaker 2: Good morning, everybody, Happy Monday. We have an amazing show

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Speaker 3: What do we have, Crystal?

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Speaker 1: Indeed we do, and that was fun. On the road,

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Speaker 1: I was saying, it feels nice.

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Speaker 3: It's been two weeks because of illness.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you were travel we're on the road.

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Speaker 1: Nice to be back to just row in the studio schedule.

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Speaker 1: All right, So lot's to get to you this morning.

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Speaker 1: It does look like Kamala is getting a bit of

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Speaker 1: a post DNC bump. We will show you the polls

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Speaker 1: as we have them in the indications there. We also

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Speaker 1: had to share with you this quite amusing John Stewart

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Speaker 1: take on the DNC.

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Speaker 4: So we'll play that and react. Yeah, it was a

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Speaker 4: good one.

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Speaker 1: Also, this is big news RK Junior is four or

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Speaker 1: former President Trump. So we'll show you that and show

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Speaker 1: you the transition that RFK Junior has gone through in

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Speaker 1: terms of his attitude towards former President Trump. We're also

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Speaker 1: taking a look at what is happening in the Middle East.

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Speaker 1: Huge escalation between Israel and HESBLA. It does look like

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Speaker 1: both sides are trying to back down, but obviously this

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Speaker 1: continues to be an extremely volatile situation, and those ceasefire

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Speaker 1: we can about the progress or lack thereof. There also

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Speaker 1: huge additional overseas news the founder of Telegram arrested in France.

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Speaker 1: Crazy story, still getting details on what exactly he was

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Speaker 1: he landed there, yet he did land there, So we'll

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Speaker 1: break all of that down for you. And also yet

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Speaker 1: another just stunning embarrassing terror failure for Boeing. Their starliner

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Speaker 1: has been deemed officially unsafe by NASA, be returning to

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Speaker 1: Earth uncrewed leaving two American astronauts stranded at the International

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Speaker 1: Space Station. They were originally supposed to be up for

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Speaker 1: there for like nine months.

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Speaker 4: Two thirds of a year.

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Speaker 1: So it's a crazy situation and just yet another example

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Speaker 1: of utter and complete Boeing company failure.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a Boeing story, it's a US government story.

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Speaker 2: And the billions of dollars we found this company, the

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Speaker 2: amount that we're propping it up, the failure after failure

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Speaker 2: after failure, and it just should show all of us

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Speaker 2: this is just a tip of the Iceberg.

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Speaker 3: Space is where you know, even a minute, a tiny little.

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Speaker 3: But other than that, let's get to the DNH.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we got a lot coming up.

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Speaker 1: Debates, Oh my god, you know, off to the races.

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Speaker 1: We're Labor Day next week. So it's really getting down

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Speaker 1: the news with regard to Kamala's potential post DNC bounce.

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Speaker 1: So perhaps the most telling indicator is that Trump's poster

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Speaker 1: a new analysis from Nate Silver, also factoring what appears

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Speaker 1: Nate Silver has in his model. You can see they're

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Speaker 1: Percent for Kamala Harris ticking up just a bit. Donald

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Speaker 4: So I looked in. I don't I don't know if.

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Speaker 1: You looked at this, but this was just there was

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Speaker 1: The similar like you know, completely feminine, mostly femine, et cetera.

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Speaker 2: But a lot going on as right, Yeah, there is

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Speaker 4: Right, Well, I do you think.

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Speaker 1: One of the key like the twenty sixteen election, coming

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Speaker 1: with Tim Walls and his version of masculinity versus Jade

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Speaker 4: So anyway, we'll put a pin in that. We can

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Speaker 2: But I just thought it was oh absolutely, I actually

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Speaker 3: And actually, if you look at all.

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Speaker 2: so white men with a college degree are actually becoming

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Speaker 2: you've truly scratched something for me in this right now.

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Speaker 4: I interest That's why I wanted to bring it out.

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Speaker 2: this day in history August twenty six, twenty twenty, Biden

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Speaker 2: seven point one percent lead, Clinton six percent lead. Right now,

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Speaker 2: Harris one point five. Now, I mean, are the polls

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Speaker 4: On that I saw this interesting.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure where this came from, but I saw

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Speaker 1: Apparently the New York Times Siena poll, which is considered

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Speaker 4: They're going to form.

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Speaker 2: be underestimated by four maybe five, just as they were

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Speaker 2: underestimated in twenty twenty two. So you got to think

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Speaker 2: about that. There's a high level of variance that goes

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Speaker 2: going into this election.

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Speaker 4: That's exactly right.

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Speaker 1: It's no longer you can just assume that it's undercounting

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Speaker 1: Republicans because we had the miss in the other direction

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two. So it really makes it one

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Speaker 1: of these like you just have to be humble about

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Speaker 1: what the polls say and your expectations of what is

447
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Speaker 1: actually going to happen. All right, let's go ahead and

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Speaker 1: move on to John Stewart having some fun at the

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Speaker 1: democrats expense with regard to his take on the DNC.

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Speaker 4: Let's take a lism.

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Speaker 5: They had Democratic Party icons and lifelong Republicans. They had

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Speaker 5: a guy yelling screw the billionaires, followed immediately by a

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Speaker 5: very happy billionaires. They had black Americans, Hispanic Americans, Asian Americans,

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Speaker 5: Gay Americans, Jewish Americans, Palestiniano well, oh, to be fair,

455
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Speaker 5: it was only four nights, eight hours a night.

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Speaker 6: But really it's best not to think about the consequences.

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Speaker 5: Of our actions over there, especially given the theme of

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Speaker 5: the week.

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Speaker 1: I can feel the excitement in this arena. It's filled

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Speaker 1: with energy and with joy, the air of joy joy.

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Speaker 3: Joy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well done there by John Sewart, and I mean

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Speaker 1: just pointing out, as he always does, in a very

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Speaker 1: trenchant way, the utter distance between the joy vibe, the inclusivity.

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Speaker 1: All we want, all these voices and something that you know,

466
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Speaker 1: people were with the Uncommitted movement or just in general

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Speaker 1: want to see, you know, peace and justice for Palestinians

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Speaker 1: and for the onslaught and the atrocities to end.

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Speaker 4: You had time.

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Speaker 1: For every front bencher, backbencher, every like Republican, you know, prole,

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Speaker 1: all these people you had time for. And trust me,

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Speaker 1: as John Suropp points out, you probably only watched in primetime.

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Speaker 1: Those speeches were going for a let you had, you know,

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Speaker 1: some random friend Kamala Harris's from fourth grade or whatever.

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Speaker 1: You had for all of these people, but you could

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Speaker 1: not make room for a vetted, very safe, very frankly

477
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Speaker 1: laudatory speech endorsing Kamala Harris and criticizing Donald Trump from

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Speaker 1: a Palestinian American. So I mean, it's a glaring his hypocrisy.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I do think that this is a

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Speaker 1: risk for them because when you are running this all

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Speaker 1: the joy and the inclusivity, and when you're running on

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Speaker 1: vibes and when you're a lot of the gains that

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Speaker 1: Kamala Harris has made hasn't been It hasn't been at

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Speaker 1: all from Republicans. It has been somewhat from independance, but

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Speaker 1: it's actually been a lot of getting the Democratic base

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Speaker 1: to come back home. You do risk under mining the

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Speaker 1: overwhelming enthusiasm excitement that you have from this campaign. And

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Speaker 1: it also just onjust a purely like you know, how

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Speaker 1: are you running your operation thing? The whole thing was

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Speaker 1: handled so incompetently. It was such a mess. They try

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Speaker 1: to lie to reporters and be like, well, actually we

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Speaker 1: said yes, but they said no, bullshit, like you're just

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Speaker 1: making stuff up. So it was haphazard. It was a

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Speaker 1: foolish decision. It created a drama and a spectacle. It

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Speaker 1: undermined all of their messaging, and you know, is it

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Speaker 1: going to be the make or break? I don't know,

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Speaker 1: but we do have a lot of polling to suggest

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Speaker 1: that she would benefit. Number one, the more she can

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Speaker 1: separate herself from Joe Biden, the more she benefits politically.

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Speaker 1: And number two, there's a lot of polling at this

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Speaker 1: point that voters are more likely to reward a candidate

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Speaker 1: who was in favor of stopping the weaponship and stop

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Speaker 1: shipping the bombs and really going hard for a ceasefire.

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Speaker 1: So in any case, well, greatly think great commentary from

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Speaker 1: John Stewart.

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Speaker 2: You think half a billion dollars just raises itself. I mean,

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Speaker 2: that's really where it comes down to. Look, we got

508
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Speaker 2: to be honest about where the money is and also

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Speaker 2: where what we saw when we were at the Democratic

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Speaker 2: National Convention. I spoke with Michael Tracy, he attended the

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Speaker 2: Jewish Democrats meeting with Doug Imhoffe speaking about the commitment

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Speaker 2: to Israel. There was one of those little side panels

513
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Speaker 2: which were on the outer rings where Philip Gordon, the

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Speaker 2: Vice President's National security advisors, as we will never consider

515
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Speaker 2: arms embargo. You have very strong language which is in there,

516
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Speaker 2: and it makes people who are hawkish, like Democratic centrists,

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Speaker 2: more Hillary Clinton type donors who were very very comfortable,

518
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Speaker 2: you know, with this, and this is exactly what they want.

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Speaker 2: So I think this was not a voter play. It

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Speaker 2: was purely about consolidating a lot of the rich donors.

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Speaker 2: I mean, think about all of those people who were

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Speaker 2: donating to Columbia University, University of Pennsylvania, all those other

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Speaker 2: people were freaking out about activism.

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Speaker 3: Everybody thinks it's Republicans.

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Speaker 2: No, it was definitely fueled by Republican or right leaning

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Speaker 2: outlets like the Free Beacon. But the people who are

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Speaker 2: themselves are the If you're donating a billion dollars to

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Speaker 2: you Pen, you're not a Republican, Okay, you're a Democrat.

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Speaker 2: You're just one of those like old school Hillary people.

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Speaker 2: Those are the people with the money, the powerbrokers, and

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Speaker 2: I think Kamala is very comfortable in those spaces. That's

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Speaker 2: something that we talked with David Sarota about the Silicon Valley.

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Speaker 2: She shouted out the founders. I mean, this lady's from California.

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Speaker 2: She knows where the bread is buttered, if anything. You know,

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Speaker 2: being a machine politician, you know that more than anybody.

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Speaker 2: So for her, I don't I think she can benefit

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Speaker 2: enough from the vibe from the media and all of

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Speaker 2: that keep the donors happy, and she can go in

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Speaker 2: and you know, if she has to inherit a problem, well,

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Speaker 2: that's a whole other story.

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Speaker 3: And that's why a.

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Speaker 2: Few people I've been speaking to smart even who are

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Speaker 2: on the left, kind of privately, they're like, oh, she'll

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Speaker 2: never survive, you know, like she's going to be one

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Speaker 2: of those people who she may be able to get

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Speaker 2: herself elected, but when she actually has to deal with

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Speaker 2: the problems. You can only run from the media and

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Speaker 2: from governance for so long. One day, if you become president,

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Speaker 2: just imagine, you know, you actually have to make a

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Speaker 2: call here, put out a statement, are we going to

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Speaker 2: do it or not?

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Speaker 3: Are we going to Israel or not?

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Speaker 2: You can't just boat size out of your mouth for

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Speaker 2: four years straight. And so I think that eventually will

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Speaker 2: catch up with her, as it does all people who

556
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Speaker 2: are are ambiguous as candidates. But for right now, I

557
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Speaker 2: just looked it up. She's got seventy one days. There

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Speaker 2: weren't a lot of protesters that showed up to the DNC.

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Speaker 2: The uncommitted people mostly rolled, you know, they're mostly you're like, yeah,

560
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Speaker 2: we're your support Kamala and all that, and so they

561
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Speaker 2: think they can win, and I think they're right. I honestly,

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Speaker 2: do you look at Gretchen Whitmer. She didn't even say

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Speaker 2: anything right, and she's she's represented from Michigan. I just

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Speaker 2: checked the timeline of a few Michigan people, elected officials

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Speaker 2: and others who we've spoken to in the past. I

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Speaker 2: don't see anything criticizing Kamala. They're stuck in a hard

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Speaker 2: place too, they don't really know what to do.

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Speaker 4: There's also a risk for her.

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Speaker 1: I mean, colleges are about to be back and you

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Speaker 1: know it should be yeah, I mean, depending on the school,

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Speaker 1: they're going to be back in session very soon. So

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Speaker 1: you could see reigniting of that college protest wave, which

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Speaker 1: was really you know, the beating heart of a lot

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Speaker 1: of this energy. And I think you're right about you know,

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Speaker 1: how she's weighing things. And obviously, like the elite of

576
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Speaker 1: the Democratic Party has long just been you know, completely

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Speaker 1: committed to Israel. Obama came the closest in recent times

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Speaker 1: to bucking them at all with regard to the Iranian

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Speaker 1: nuclear deal. But even there was you know, it's very tepid,

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Speaker 1: it's very moderate in terms of descent. But I think

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Speaker 1: the model is a little out dated because if you

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Speaker 1: think about the bulk of the donations that are coming

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Speaker 1: in from her, it's not from the billionaire donor class,

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Speaker 1: it's from you know, ranking it like teachers, it's from nurses,

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Speaker 1: it's these grassroots, first time donors. And so she's gonna

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Speaker 1: have plenty of money. Right whether she does exactly what

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Speaker 1: you know, Maria Maddelson or whoever, Bill Ackman, who were

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Speaker 1: both Republicans giving to that side of the equation, whether

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Speaker 1: she does exactly what they want her to do on

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Speaker 1: this issue or not, I think politically she has an

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Speaker 1: opportunity to benefit from showing distance from Biden, something she's

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Speaker 1: unafraid to do on literally every other issue. On every

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Speaker 1: other issue, she's trying to at least rhetorically distance herself

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Speaker 1: from this president. But for some reason, when it comes

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Speaker 1: to Israel, she's, you know, she wants to maintain exactly

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Speaker 1: his posture.

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Speaker 4: I also saw Sagara.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you saw this after we did our reaction

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Speaker 1: to her DNC speech. She got all this praise online

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Speaker 1: for what she said about Israel.

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Speaker 4: Daz oh gosh, and I was like.

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Speaker 1: This is literally just exactly what Joe Biden has been saying,

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Speaker 1: and even she called for you know, like a justin

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Speaker 1: lasting piece or something like that in a Twesday solution, and.

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Speaker 4: She was loud and like brave for that. This has

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Speaker 4: been the position of every president in modern.

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Speaker 2: History, in the position of every United States president going

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Speaker 2: back I think almost yeah, six or seven presidents.

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Speaker 1: I was like, I just like, did we listen to

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Speaker 1: the same speech. It was so confusing to be the

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Speaker 1: desperate attempt to make this some sort of a like

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Speaker 1: good moment. If you're someone who wants this horror to end,

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Speaker 1: and you know, in all of the potential escalation and danger,

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Speaker 1: we're going to talk about this later, that comes along

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Speaker 1: with it, even if you do not care at all

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Speaker 1: about Palestinian line.

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Speaker 4: So in any case, I.

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Speaker 1: Thought the whole approach was very disappointing, and not just

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Speaker 1: on Palestine. I also think in terms of the way

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Speaker 1: she oriented her speech, not leaning into more of the

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Speaker 1: populace Deacon. She talks some about it, but it was

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Speaker 1: a very light touch. I mean, I also think, again

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Speaker 1: just putting my own politics aside.

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Speaker 4: Electorally, there were some polls that just came out.

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Speaker 1: It's like seventy percent of people support actual price controls,

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Speaker 1: so she shouldn't be afraid of price gouging laws, which

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Speaker 1: are on the books already in a majority of states.

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Speaker 1: She should not be afraid of leaning into those pieces.

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Speaker 1: And yet I feel the consultant class like taking hold.

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Speaker 1: I see them getting a grip of the messaging. I

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Speaker 1: see her reverting a lot back to the sort of

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Speaker 1: you know, Clintonite instincts, both in terms of Hillary and

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Speaker 1: Bill and the Obama type like triangulating instincts. And I

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Speaker 1: think it's very much to her detriment, and I do

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Speaker 1: think it's risk Well, come November.

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Speaker 3: If she loses, we'll have a lot to talk about.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah she does.

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Speaker 4: We'll have lots to talk about.

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Speaker 2: Win me a lots to talk about. Either way, Let's

640
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Speaker 2: go do a RFK. We got to talk about the

641
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Speaker 2: big endorsement. RFK teased this, but it was basically confirmed

642
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Speaker 2: by the time we brought everybody the news on our

643
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Speaker 2: shows on Thursdays and Friday, where we talked about how

644
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Speaker 2: he had filed paperwork across multiple states withdrawing himself from

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Speaker 2: the ballot, indicating that he was going to endorse Donald Trump.

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Speaker 3: I watched his entire.

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Speaker 2: Speech, and it was interesting because it's a little confused

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Speaker 2: in terms of our dude, are you in the race

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Speaker 2: or not? The TLDR is that he has suspended his

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Speaker 2: campaign in all of the states where it is not competitive.

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Speaker 2: He is explicitly withdrawing his ballot from all of the

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Speaker 2: states where it is competitive and is urging people in

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Speaker 2: those battleground states to vote for Donald Trump. After that speech,

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Speaker 2: he joined Trump on the stage at a campaign event

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Speaker 2: in Arizona.

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Speaker 3: Here's what they all had to say.

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Speaker 4: He is a brilliant I still think of him as young.

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Speaker 3: He's not that young.

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Speaker 4: I always call him young, but he's not that young.

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Speaker 6: But he is a phenomenal person, a phenomenal man who

661
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Speaker 6: loves the people of this country as much as anybody

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Speaker 6: can love the people of this country.

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Speaker 3: So Bobby, please say a few words, aculary.

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Speaker 6: Or two hundred trillion or two hundred billion dollar wars

665
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Speaker 6: in Ukraine, that we could use that money back here

666
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Speaker 6: in the United States. The best way to build a

667
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Speaker 6: safe America is to rebuild our industrial base and rebuild

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Speaker 6: the middle class in this country. And don't you want

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Speaker 6: a president who's going to get us out of the wars,

670
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Speaker 6: and who's going to rebuild the middle class in this country? Oh,

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Speaker 6: you want to know that the food that you're feeding

672
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Speaker 6: them is not filled with chemicals that are going to

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Speaker 6: give them cancer and chronic disease. And don't you want

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Speaker 6: a president that's gonna make America healthy again?

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Speaker 3: All right?

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Speaker 2: So that was the crux of the speech. He followed

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Speaker 2: up with it in a tweet. Let's put this up

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Speaker 2: there on the screen. What maga really means? The phrase

679
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Speaker 2: is troubled liberals who think it's a call for return

680
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Speaker 2: to America before civil rights, gay rights, and women's rights.

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Speaker 2: But I have a more generous interpretation, one that is

682
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Speaker 2: truer to my experience of Donald Trump as he is today.

683
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 2: Make America Great Again recalls a nation brimming with vitality,

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Speaker 2: with a can do spirit, with a hope and a

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Speaker 2: belief in itself. It was an America that was beginning

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Speaker 2: to confront its darker shadows, could acknowledge the injustice in

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Speaker 2: his past and present a nation of broad prosperity, the

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Speaker 2: world's most vibrant middle class, and idealistic belief. It was

689
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Speaker 2: a nation that led an innovation, productivity of technology, and

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Speaker 2: it was the healthiest country in the world. I have

691
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Speaker 2: talked to many Trump supporters, I have talked with this

692
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Speaker 2: inner circle. I have talked to the man himself. This

693
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Speaker 2: is what this is the America they want to restore.

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Speaker 2: So obviously it's quite a bit of a turn from

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Speaker 2: how RFK previously used to talk about Donald Trump, previously,

696
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Speaker 2: how he used to talk about endorsing Donald Trump here

697
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Speaker 2: on this show by joining him on a ticket. And

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Speaker 2: I'll just say, you know, the about face is certainly

699
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Speaker 2: a little bit something to behold.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: The justification that I have seen from RFK and from

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Speaker 2: Nicole Shanahan is they're like, well, the Democrats, you know,

703
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Speaker 2: sued to get us off the ballot.

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Speaker 3: And I actually think we should point.

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Speaker 2: To the words of like Jill Stein, where Jill Stein

706
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Speaker 2: was like, yeah, he's right, the Democrats have been suing

707
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Speaker 2: to get us off the ballot. She's like, but that

708
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Speaker 2: doesn't mean that I'm going to turn around and endorse Trump.

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Speaker 2: She's like, that was the whole point of a third

710
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Speaker 2: party campaign was to point out the rigged system. And

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Speaker 2: it's not like RFK didn't face Republican pressure in Texas

712
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Speaker 2: and elsewhere on the ballot as well. You know, it's

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Speaker 2: one of those where clearly both sides were trying to

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Speaker 2: keep him out. If anything, you watched how the in

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Speaker 2: the midst of his independent run, how a lot of

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Speaker 2: MAGA influencers who have been propping up RFK Junior whenever

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Speaker 2: he was a Democrat running in the race against Biden,

718
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Speaker 2: immediately turned on him whenever they thought that he was

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Speaker 2: going to draw votes away from Trump, and I think

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Speaker 2: empirically he was. And actually we see the acknowledgement from

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Speaker 2: Nicole Shanahan. She's like, well, we don't want to help

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Speaker 2: Kamala and Tim Walls, and in a lesser of two

723
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Speaker 2: evils way, I think that's fine. I think the problem

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Speaker 2: I have with it is there are a lot of

725
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Speaker 2: people out there.

726
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Speaker 3: I've met them.

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Speaker 2: Probably no news show has really engaged at a professional

728
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Speaker 2: level with rf CASE supporters more than we have, and

729
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Speaker 2: they did not like Donald Trump. They don't want to

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Speaker 2: vote for Donald Trump. I have had, you know, these

731
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Speaker 2: boomers outside the Farmers Market where I live for almost

732
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Speaker 2: eight weeks handing out Kennedy literature. I talked to them

733
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Speaker 2: and they're like, yeah, we hate we're Democrats. We don't

734
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Speaker 2: like Trump, but we also don't support Joe Biden or

735
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Speaker 2: Kamala Harris for a variety of reasons. And so there's

736
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Speaker 2: a lot of people out there. They knocked on doors,

737
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Speaker 2: got ballots, raised money, you know, because they believed in

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Speaker 2: an independent, you know, a third party run. And I

739
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Speaker 2: actually think, you know, in terms of you know, everyone

740
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Speaker 2: talks about leverage, I'm like, well, what did you realistically

741
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Speaker 2: get because he's talking about this make America healthy again?

742
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Speaker 2: Well he wanted to listen, Bro, you're never getting nominated

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Speaker 2: in the United States Senate.

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Speaker 3: Ever, Now could you get a ZAR position? Maybe?

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Speaker 2: I don't know if that's been promised, you know, they

746
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Speaker 2: haven't talked about it or any of that. But realistically,

747
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Speaker 2: on the core issues, you know, you are endorsing Donald Trump.

748
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Speaker 3: He's a guy who did Operation Warp Speed.

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Speaker 2: I mean that was literally his number one critique originally

750
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Speaker 2: on abortion. I mean, you and I remember here on

751
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Speaker 2: this show how vociferously he talked about Donald Trump and

752
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Speaker 2: Roe versus Weight on environmental issues. I mean, by the way,

753
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Speaker 2: you know, I'm pro nuclear. RFK is very anti nuclear,

754
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Speaker 2: so Trump is pro nuclear. So it's like there are

755
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Speaker 2: a lot of issues ostensibly which he pretended to or

756
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Speaker 2: at least said that he cared a lot about total

757
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 2: non negotiables, and then he decided to turn around and

758
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Speaker 2: endorse Trump. And it's like, dude, is this just about

759
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 2: personal spite? Because if it is, I don't think that's

760
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Speaker 2: a good look.

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Speaker 3: For the third party movement.

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Speaker 2: And I think there are a lot of voters out

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Speaker 2: there who are quite disappointed. You know, a lot of

764
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Speaker 2: the ones I see who were cheering him, I think

765
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:58,399
Speaker 2: they're just Republicans anyways, and they were directionally aligned with him.

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Speaker 2: But the real RFK people who we have met, we've

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Speaker 2: talked to, done focus groups, etc.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if they're going to be so happy

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Speaker 3: about this. I think a lot of them just won't vote.

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Speaker 4: There was a reason they weren't supporting Donald Try yeh,

771
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Speaker 4: that's right. He was there the whole time.

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Speaker 1: They could be supporting him the entire time, and they

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Speaker 1: did it right, and they were backing Rkay. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it really gives a lot of gradence to just like

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Speaker 1: the most cynical Resistance Lib interpretation of his run the

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Speaker 1: entire time, which is he was a Democratic primary when

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Speaker 1: he thought that would help hurt the Democrats. Then when

778
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:27,280
Speaker 1: he realized he could hurt Joe Biden by running third party.

779
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Speaker 4: Then he does that.

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Speaker 1: Then when Joe Biden drops out and all of those

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Speaker 1: like disaffected Democratic voters come home, and now he's very

782
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Speaker 1: clearly causing a problem for former President Trump. Then he

783
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Speaker 1: drops out because he thinks that's the best way to

784
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Speaker 1: help the Republicans.

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Speaker 4: And Nicole Shanahan, I mean all but came out and said,

786
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Speaker 4: I mean they said, she said that we like, we don't.

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Speaker 1: Want to hurt Trump. We do not want a Harris

788
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Speaker 1: Walls campaign. And so at the end of the day,

789
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Speaker 1: your core goal was to hurt one side and help

790
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Speaker 1: the other. It's very hard to come away with any

791
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Speaker 1: other conclusion at this point. That and the fact that

792
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Speaker 1: he wants to remain relevant. He's as all these people

793
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,840
Speaker 1: are an extreme narcissist, as is Kamla Ayers, as is Joe.

794
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Speaker 3: Biden, as Alald Trump.

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Speaker 1: All of them are right, and this is his only

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Speaker 1: path to remain relevant. And if you think this is

797
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Speaker 1: some principled stand consider that he also went to the

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Speaker 1: Kamala Harris team and apparently begged them for some sort

799
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Speaker 1: of a gig and took whatever the best offer was.

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Speaker 1: So if you think this is about some kind of

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Speaker 1: a principle. I mean, it's sort of preposterous. He decided

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00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 1: he wasn't going to win. He wanted to maintain his relevance.

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Speaker 1: This is where he could get you the best deal

804
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 1: that was on the table. And so that's what he did.

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Speaker 1: And just to your point, so we could put the

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Speaker 1: next piece up on the screen about the way he

807
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Speaker 1: was talking about Donald Trump, just to call any speculation.

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Speaker 1: Under no circumstances will I join Donald Trump on an

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Speaker 1: electoral ticket. Our positions on certain fundamental issues, our approaches

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Speaker 1: to governance, and our philosophies of leadership could not be

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Speaker 1: further apart.

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Speaker 4: Now, the coope I saw and this one was, well,

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Speaker 4: he's not technically on the electoral ticket. Okay, all right.

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Speaker 3: Well continue though you can toak go to the next one.

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Speaker 1: This is maybe lays it out in even greater detail.

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Speaker 1: I will read all of this, but it is a

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00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 1: long screed about how terrible President Trump was. President Trump

818
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 1: scammed American workers. President Trump let the Bush wing of

819
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:20,320
Speaker 1: the GOP run all his agencies. President Trump's opposed support

820
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Speaker 1: for farmers all went to big agg conglomerates. We had

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Speaker 1: the worst rioting eluding this country had seen since the sixties.

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Speaker 1: Under President Trump, he bragged about arming Ukraine war than Obama.

823
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Speaker 1: He appointed the worst neocons the highest positions of power.

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Speaker 1: Keep in mind from that speech that we showed you

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Speaker 1: now he was like, oh he's anti war.

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Speaker 4: Okay, well, which is it?

827
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Speaker 1: He goes on, he bombed Syria, Trump killed Marani in general,

828
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Speaker 1: failed to fulfill his promise of ending the war in Afghanistan.

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Speaker 1: President Trump invented lockdowns. President Trump did nothing to solve

830
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Speaker 1: the opioid crisis. And then he concludes, if you think

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Speaker 1: a second Trump term would be any different, you are

832
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Speaker 1: engaging in wishful thinking. All right, So listen, people can

833
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Speaker 1: change their mind, but we're talking about in a very

834
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Speaker 1: short time period and a complete evolution that just so

835
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Speaker 1: happens to serve your own personal interests of like remaining

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Speaker 1: relevant into the next administration.

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Speaker 4: So there you go.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean, look, I think it's sad because he had chance.

840
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Speaker 2: I believe in actually shocking the system, you know, and

841
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Speaker 2: really changing things up.

842
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Speaker 3: And I think that RFK had a chance.

843
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Speaker 2: He really had the name, had the money, the id,

844
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Speaker 2: the ability. I think he still could have everyone, you know,

845
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,240
Speaker 2: our Nicole Shanan's like will then could have won five percent.

846
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Speaker 3: I don't think so.

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Speaker 2: I think he could have won more if he actually

848
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Speaker 2: fought and wanted. I think he could have won maybe eight.

849
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Speaker 2: I mean, that's a lot, especially if you run it

850
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Speaker 2: up in states like California and elsewhere, as she accurately

851
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Speaker 2: points out about public funding, about the ability to build

852
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Speaker 2: on top of something. If you really believe in these issues,

853
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 2: you could force ballot referendums. You could chose a lot

854
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:57,360
Speaker 2: of different things, you know, from vaccines to whatever, to

855
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:00,839
Speaker 2: your food, et cetera. Like that's what you actually could

856
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,360
Speaker 2: try and do. I mean, I don't see any evidence

857
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Speaker 2: currently you know, that he really extracted anything of true value.

858
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe it did. I don't actually know. There hasn't

859
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:11,840
Speaker 2: been any confirmation. We'll find out if Trump wins. But

860
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Speaker 2: you know, given this isn't some Jdvan said something in

861
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Speaker 2: twenty fifteen about Trump like this is that was from May.

862
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Speaker 2: That was right, Let's go all right, So it's like, well, well,

863
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Speaker 2: what are we talking about here?

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Speaker 3: You know, about this whole vitality and all of that.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't even disagree with you, But what

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Speaker 2: I really more point to is on those issues all

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Speaker 2: of which you laid out. I would say, for RFK,

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Speaker 2: what's his number one issue? Probably free speech censorship. That's

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Speaker 2: like in terms of what he's always said, Yeah, it's like, okay,

870
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 2: well you know, sure, you know, there's definitely some Republicans

871
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:43,319
Speaker 2: that I've talked about that. But as he accurately had

872
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 2: pointed out previously in many of his uh in many

873
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:47,799
Speaker 2: of his tweets and attacks on Trump, he's like, well,

874
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:49,280
Speaker 2: Trump wasn't perfect on that issue.

875
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 3: Whenever he would ask him about Ukraine.

876
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:53,760
Speaker 4: The criminalized flag burning right now.

877
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 2: And so yeah, or you look at what was it

878
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 2: the second one Ukraine, he was like, well, Trump, you know,

879
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 2: sent a lot of weapons. Tory you critsu Look, I

880
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 2: don't support army Ukraine. I have no qualms that Trump

881
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 2: will be perfect on the issue. The best you can

882
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:09,319
Speaker 2: hope for is like, yeah, maybe JD's voice will win

883
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 2: out there. But anybody who is at any experience with

884
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 2: Trump one point zero, the guy who told us wasn't

885
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:16,359
Speaker 2: get out of Afghanistan and then twenty seventeen cents more

886
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 2: troops to Afghanistan, I got.

887
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:19,879
Speaker 3: Some news for you in terms of the man who

888
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 3: keeps his work.

889
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, and what he said about if you think a

890
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 1: second Trump term is going to be different, You're like,

891
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:25,759
Speaker 1: this is just delusional.

892
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:28,360
Speaker 2: Well that's right about that, yeahbe Look I don't I

893
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 2: don't know. It's a false positive. I don't know if

894
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:31,919
Speaker 2: he's right or not. It could go different. The Trump

895
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 2: people always tell me it's different. They told me it

896
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 2: was different in the first time round two, So why

897
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 2: should I believe you? For me, it's all about the proof,

898
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 2: like actually of what you do, and we'll find out,

899
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 2: you know, whether that's true or not. But you know,

900
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 2: forgive me, because I'm just as cynical as you are.

901
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 2: I don't want one hundred percent believe you. And that

902
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 2: was really what Bobby was running on. So anyways, I mean,

903
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 2: he did do the third party movement in general. He

904
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:57,280
Speaker 2: has done a tremendous blow here because yes, Rospuro actually

905
00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 2: stayed on the ballot, came won a huge out, and

906
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 2: people respected him for all time. People thought about how

907
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 2: are we going to win those voters to our side?

908
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 2: And now that you basically are using it as a

909
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 2: bargaining chip, now you're more like an intra party figure,

910
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,720
Speaker 2: much more so than you actually are a real third

911
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:20,280
Speaker 2: party candidate. And in that vein, let's continue with rfk's

912
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 2: running mate, Nicole Shanahan. She says, I'm not a Kamala Democrat,

913
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 2: I'm not a Trump Republican. I'm an independent American who

914
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 2: is endorsing ideas, not a person or a party. I

915
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:30,720
Speaker 2: will continue working to give a voice to the voiceless

916
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 2: and bring power back to the people. And she also though,

917
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 2: you know, at the beginning, she made a big deal

918
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 2: out of being pro choice, about being a reformed Democrat.

919
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 2: That's why she was sticking with RFK, believing above the

920
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 2: big part two party systems. I'm just saying, you know,

921
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:48,840
Speaker 2: once again, you know, a lot of that is different.

922
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 2: You can believe the whole like the Democrats had it

923
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:53,919
Speaker 2: out from them from the beginning. I don't even think

924
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 2: any of that is untrue. But if it's just about punitive,

925
00:42:57,880 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 2: like well they were mean to me and these people

926
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 2: were kind of nice to me, well that doesn't just

927
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 2: that just doesn't track with a movement which allegedly was

928
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:07,839
Speaker 2: supposed to be bigger than those ideals. It's fine if

929
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 2: you want to follow RFK to Trump, no offense. You

930
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 2: were probably going to vote for Trump anyway. I believe

931
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 2: that I really do. I'm like, if you if that's

932
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:16,360
Speaker 2: really all it took, you were probably at the end

933
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 2: of the day when it came down to it.

934
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 3: Now, in terms of his do you want him to

935
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:21,800
Speaker 3: say anything before I move on to the y else.

936
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 1: To talk just for a minute more about the third

937
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 1: party thing and that the damage this truly does if

938
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 1: you care about third party movements and independent candidate movements.

939
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 1: A number of the states that RFK was able to

940
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 1: get on the ballot line with, he took the ballot

941
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 1: line of other smaller third entities and now those parties.

942
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:43,840
Speaker 4: Are like, really kind of screwed.

943
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 1: So there's there's that dynamic, and then there's just always,

944
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 1: like the whole conversation about Jill Stein Cornell was an

945
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 1: RFK junior. Always that comes from the media and yes,

946
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:58,319
Speaker 1: from the Democratic Party in particular, is these are just

947
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 1: right wing plans, and you gave a lot of credence

948
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 1: to that. Now, you gave a lot of credence to

949
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:08,280
Speaker 1: that very you know, unfair and oftentimes untrue talking point.

950
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:12,759
Speaker 1: So I think he's done incredible damage. One other thing

951
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 1: that I just want to want to mention here in

952
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 1: terms of what he could have achieved. Dave Smith always

953
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:20,839
Speaker 1: talks about, you know, if he had truly been anti war,

954
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:23,280
Speaker 1: if he had truly been the guy who was against

955
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:26,279
Speaker 1: both arming Ukraine and continuing down this you know, no

956
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 1: end insight path in Ukraine, and he had been the

957
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 1: guy that was like, we got to get the ceasefire

958
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 1: and we got the hell out of like what are

959
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:35,799
Speaker 1: we doing with this Israel Gaza situation. I think the

960
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 1: ceiling on his support could have been much much higher.

961
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 4: I think he could have had a lot more more

962
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 4: energy and.

963
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:44,799
Speaker 1: Could have sustained something even after Joe Biden drops down

964
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 1: and you have fewer double haters, so I you know,

965
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:50,319
Speaker 1: but he's either ideological or for whatever reason, he's very

966
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:51,240
Speaker 1: committed to that issue.

967
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 4: So that was clearly not a path he was going

968
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:53,240
Speaker 4: to travel.

969
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 1: But just speaking in terms of cynical political calculation, that

970
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 1: was the lane that was and obviously he didn't take it.

971
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 1: It's just one last thing to reflect on your comment

972
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 1: about like this is just a value, like your bitterness

973
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 1: towards the Democratic Party. It reminds me of when the

974
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:16,279
Speaker 1: Elizabeth Warren supporters who supposedly again are like, ah, we

975
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 1: support Manicare for all, and we support all these progressive

976
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:22,359
Speaker 1: values when they decided many of them to back Joe

977
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:24,399
Speaker 1: Biden instead of Bernie Sanders.

978
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:25,799
Speaker 4: Because some people associate with.

979
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:29,399
Speaker 1: Bernie Sanders, just like Rando online supporters had been mean

980
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 1: to them. It's like, okay, well, is your personal hurt

981
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:35,280
Speaker 1: feelings more important.

982
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 4: Now than getting people healthcare?

983
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:39,319
Speaker 1: Because that seems kind of absurd and extremely petty, and

984
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 1: the vibes here are very similar.

985
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:42,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're right. Let's look at the polling analysis.

986
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:46,880
Speaker 2: Nate Silver really recommend reading this is pretty interesting. It

987
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:49,720
Speaker 2: says we've removed RFK from our model, but it didn't

988
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 2: hurt Kamala so far. Harris's convention bounce has offset any

989
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 2: impacts so far. So if you look at the overall

990
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 2: polling analysis, they had Harris roughly at forty eight, Trump

991
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 2: around five, and then Kennedy, you know, now negligible if

992
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 2: you continue to read it, though, it is kind of

993
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 2: interesting in terms of her electoral chances where for now,

994
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:13,240
Speaker 2: at the very least like what we saw in terms

995
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 2: of the polls that are coming out of the battleground states,

996
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:19,280
Speaker 2: RFK was just much more of a hindrance towards Donald Trump.

997
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:22,439
Speaker 2: But there is no like one hundred percent evidence right

998
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:25,400
Speaker 2: now that this will put Trump, let's say, over the

999
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:29,360
Speaker 2: finish line. Intuitively, though, I can't help but think it does.

1000
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 2: At the very least, it makes things easier for Trump,

1001
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 2: which in a fifty to fifty election, how can we

1002
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 2: discount that we had twelve thousand votes or whatever in Georgia,

1003
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 2: twenty thirty thousand votes in Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, you know,

1004
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 2: some sixty thousand votes swing when we think about Arizona

1005
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 2: and elsewhere, you know, when you don't have to contend

1006
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 2: with RFK also on the ballot, drawing it away from you,

1007
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:54,959
Speaker 2: then I think it's you're in a better position. So really,

1008
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 2: what it does is it moves it from I was

1009
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 2: like I was saying when RFK was in the razor

1010
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 2: was like fifty two to forty eight. I'm just right

1011
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:03,880
Speaker 2: back to fifty to fifty in general. Now it's just

1012
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:07,319
Speaker 2: going to be about engagement, engagement, engagement, and turning out

1013
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:09,880
Speaker 2: your base of voters and seeing, you know, let the

1014
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:11,319
Speaker 2: independence kind of fall where they may.

1015
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 1: I think that analysis is very logical. Yeah, And if

1016
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 1: you're just purely looking at the numbers, hard to dispute. However,

1017
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:21,279
Speaker 1: I think we would be remiss if we didn't point

1018
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:24,759
Speaker 1: out RFK Junior comes with a lot of freaking baggage.

1019
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:27,400
Speaker 1: Like there's a reason why the Kamala Harris people wanted

1020
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 1: nothing to do with them, because they don't want to

1021
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 1: have to answer for the next Like he chainsaw it

1022
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:33,799
Speaker 1: off a whale's head and put it on the mini

1023
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:35,840
Speaker 1: van and left a bar in Central Park. And oh,

1024
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:38,439
Speaker 1: by the way, cheated on his wife thirty seven times

1025
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 1: and then she killed herself. Like there's a lot that

1026
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:45,359
Speaker 1: comes with him, and Trump is already dealing with a

1027
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 1: fringe weirdo problem. I'm not sure that RFK Junior helps

1028
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:50,799
Speaker 1: him in that regard. I mean, this is a man

1029
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 1: whose favorability is profoundly underwater. He has like people in

1030
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 1: general do not like him. He has a you know,

1031
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 1: a committed fan base, and I'm sure his approval ratings

1032
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 1: on the right now among actual committed Trump supporters are

1033
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:10,319
Speaker 1: going to skyrocket at this point, so they're gonna like him.

1034
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:14,360
Speaker 1: But if you're looking at independance, he is not popular.

1035
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 1: That's why not many people were voting for him. So

1036
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:20,279
Speaker 1: he comes with a lot of downside risk. Also, So

1037
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 1: if I mean my best prediction here, if I have

1038
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 1: to make one, is it probably just doesn't really matter

1039
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:31,320
Speaker 1: because the vote totals that we're talking about are so small,

1040
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 1: the effect is so ambiguous. Many of his supporters who

1041
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 1: truly were committed to him are just either not going

1042
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:40,920
Speaker 1: to vote or vote for a different third party or whatever.

1043
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 1: But I think that there is some level of risk

1044
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 1: that comes with associating yourself. He says it himself, like

1045
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:52,359
Speaker 1: the number of skeletons in my closet are like, there's

1046
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:55,400
Speaker 1: no way that we can feel even like the amount

1047
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 1: that we know about him is the extent of what's

1048
00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:01,360
Speaker 1: gonna come out about him. So to have to associate

1049
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:03,239
Speaker 1: that with your campaign and now having to be, you know,

1050
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:05,399
Speaker 1: dodging all these stories and dealing with this because you've

1051
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:09,839
Speaker 1: so directly tied yourself to this individual, it's not without risk.

1052
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 2: Absolutely no, very true. It could come out. I'm curious

1053
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:15,319
Speaker 2: to see how that Trump people use him, whether he'll

1054
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:17,439
Speaker 2: just can whether he'll just sit out, sit it out,

1055
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 2: hang out in California, or is he going to take

1056
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 2: on like a surrogate role and is he going to

1057
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 2: kind of hit the airwaves, you know, hit the rallies.

1058
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 2: Maybe he would hit the rallies in the states where

1059
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 2: he was pulling the best places like Michigan and elsewhere

1060
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:31,799
Speaker 2: and just be like, hey, all you people who were

1061
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 2: here to see.

1062
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 3: Me, like you guys should come out to vote for Trump.

1063
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 2: That would be the smart way to use him, to

1064
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 2: put him strategically in those battleground states.

1065
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 3: But you do risk while you're talking about just.

1066
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:41,359
Speaker 1: Do you think that they'll do because you have some

1067
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 1: like Benny Johnson, for example, who's like, this is the

1068
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:46,759
Speaker 1: ticket and it's like, well, the JD vance is still

1069
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 1: a vice presidential on me. But there are some MAGA

1070
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 1: aligned figures who want him to almost assume that role

1071
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:56,279
Speaker 1: of being that integral to the campaign. Do you think

1072
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:58,879
Speaker 1: Trump is amenable to that direction or do you think

1073
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:00,080
Speaker 1: it's more like, thank you for your.

1074
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:02,359
Speaker 4: Endorsement, I'll see you, you know, I'll see you later.

1075
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:04,759
Speaker 2: I think, look, ourk is a loose cannon. You can't

1076
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:06,880
Speaker 2: control them. So I think he'll probably just continue to

1077
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 2: do what he wants to do. I think he'll probably

1078
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:10,319
Speaker 2: just keep going on podcasts. I mean, he's good at it.

1079
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 2: They like him, he's a good guest, and he'll continue

1080
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 2: to talk about whatever wherever whenever somebody invites him from

1081
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 2: the Bustin Barstool podcast, you know, Tim Dill whatever. You know,

1082
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:21,319
Speaker 2: those people are not going to stop the invites if

1083
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:23,719
Speaker 2: anything is a little bit more interesting now and so

1084
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 2: now he's got something to kind of hook on for him.

1085
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Speaker 2: Maybe he'll write another book. The guy craiks out books

1086
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 2: like crazy, So maybe he'll write another book about the campaign.

1087
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:33,359
Speaker 2: It wouldn't surprise me. Just to back that up.

1088
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:35,880
Speaker 3: Let's put this up there on the screen about his image.

1089
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Speaker 2: You know, right now, amongst quote high engagement voters, he's

1090
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Speaker 2: got a minus eighteen favorability rating. Amongst low and mid

1091
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:45,400
Speaker 2: information voters, he's got a plus twelve.

1092
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:47,799
Speaker 3: Now that he becomes more in the spotlight.

1093
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Speaker 2: If he does, that would be the risk of tracking

1094
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 2: you know, the people who know about the bay or

1095
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 2: the whale, all the personal stories, et cetera. That's certainly

1096
00:50:57,520 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 2: a risk. You know that he runs.

1097
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Speaker 1: So an externally dangerous situation continues to unfold in the

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00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 1: Middle East, Israel conducting what they described as a preemptive

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Speaker 1: strike on Hesbela military acids. We can put this up

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00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 1: on the screen on one side. You can see some

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00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 1: of the fallout from these air strikes. You had over

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Speaker 1: one hundred Israeli Air Force jets.

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00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:23,840
Speaker 4: That were involved in this.

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Speaker 1: And on the other side you see Rear Admiral Daniel Hagari,

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00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:31,280
Speaker 1: who was making an announcement here about those air force

1106
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 1: planes attacking targets across southern Lebanon. You can see the

1107
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:38,840
Speaker 1: smoke rising here, et cetera. So they described this, like

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00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 1: I said, as a preemptive strike. There is some fuzziness

1109
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:46,319
Speaker 1: about what exactly happened here, how effective the Israeli strikes were.

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Speaker 1: Hesbela did then announce that they conducted their own strikes

1111
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 1: inside of Israel. They claimed that those strikes were very effective.

1112
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 1: The Israeli say, no, no, we were able to deal

1113
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Speaker 1: with it and there was very minimal damage caused.

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Speaker 4: One thing we know for sure is that this was the.

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Speaker 1: Most explosive exchange we have had between Israel and HESBLA

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Speaker 1: in quite some number of months. We also know that,

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Speaker 1: you know, this region continues to really be on the brink,

1118
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Speaker 1: especially you know, because of Israel's ongoing atrocities in Gaza,

1119
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:22,719
Speaker 1: but also because of the recent provocations. They assassinated a

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Speaker 1: you know, senior military commander in they root in Lebanon,

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Speaker 1: and of course top hamas leader in Iran. We still

1122
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:34,719
Speaker 1: have not had that Iranian response, so once again underscores

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00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 1: that as long as the conflict continues, as long as

1124
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 1: the onslaught on Gaza continues, we have this very, very

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00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:43,440
Speaker 1: dangerous situation.

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Speaker 4: The good news is soccer.

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00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:47,719
Speaker 1: It looks like both the Israelis and Hesbula are looking

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Speaker 1: to sort of back down from the latest escalation at

1129
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Speaker 1: this point. But no one should feel good about where

1130
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:54,279
Speaker 1: things are right now.

1131
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:55,400
Speaker 3: No, you shouldn't feel good at all.

1132
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:58,040
Speaker 2: I mean, we had over one hundred Israeli jets who

1133
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:01,319
Speaker 2: participated in this operation. This is the biggest exchange of

1134
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:04,879
Speaker 2: fire between Israel and Lebanon since two thousand and six,

1135
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 2: a devastating war for Israel and one that IDF planners

1136
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:12,359
Speaker 2: were desperate to avoid this time around. But they have

1137
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:15,840
Speaker 2: to deal with the same problems that all of us do,

1138
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:18,839
Speaker 2: which is that Natanyahu and elements of his government they

1139
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:21,319
Speaker 2: want a war with Lebanon. That's the best thing that

1140
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:24,440
Speaker 2: could possibly happen for them. It's also maddening just because

1141
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 2: the people actually in Israel have much more descent around

1142
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:29,239
Speaker 2: this war. They're like calling them warmongers. Like, we don't

1143
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 2: want this. Our kids died last time around. Whereas if

1144
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:34,680
Speaker 2: you say any of that here, you're like, hey, you know, oh,

1145
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:37,440
Speaker 2: you're a complete anti semi You know, I was just

1146
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:41,799
Speaker 2: reading this morning that there are two aircraft carriers that

1147
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 2: are now station yet here. Pentagon says in a new statement,

1148
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:46,880
Speaker 2: as part of its support for Israel, the Secretary of

1149
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 2: Defense will keep two aircraft carriers in the region for

1150
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 2: an undefined period of time, the USS Theodore Roosevelt and

1151
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 2: the USS Abraham Lincoln. Do you know how much money

1152
00:53:57,280 --> 00:53:59,880
Speaker 2: costs to keep those two aircraft carriers out there? You

1153
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:04,440
Speaker 2: have any idea what it means for war plans, for force,

1154
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 2: for a cost for to be to deploy all of

1155
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:10,239
Speaker 2: those people in the strike groups and all those other

1156
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:13,560
Speaker 2: assets just to try and prevent a war between these two.

1157
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 2: The US taxpayer has probably spent at this point hundreds

1158
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:21,319
Speaker 2: of billions of dollars just on this conflict in the last.

1159
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:23,200
Speaker 3: Ten months for what like? For what like?

1160
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 2: People really need to ask themselves that question so we

1161
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 2: can be the world's policeman when Israel gets him self

1162
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:31,480
Speaker 2: in trouble? Why am I paying to shoot down missiles

1163
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:35,359
Speaker 2: so that whenever they're getting into problems with Hesbla. You

1164
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:38,520
Speaker 2: blew up in Iranian embassy, and I'm supposed to pay to.

1165
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:41,120
Speaker 3: For the different Why it's for what reason?

1166
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:41,480
Speaker 2: Right?

1167
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 3: Somebody justify that to me? You're a numbrio.

1168
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 2: We do fifty something billion dollars a year of trade

1169
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 2: with you do have four times more of Brazil. If

1170
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 2: Argentina and Brazil were going to go to war, would

1171
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:54,400
Speaker 2: anybody say that that's something that we should get involved in.

1172
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:55,799
Speaker 2: By the way, you'd have a better case for that

1173
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 2: when you would, right now, That's what drives me crazy.

1174
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:02,320
Speaker 1: True, true, Yeah, And you're right about the internal descent

1175
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:05,400
Speaker 1: in Israel's reading some of the Israeli press, the English

1176
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:09,760
Speaker 1: language Israeli press, and you know, keep in mind, northern Israel,

1177
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Speaker 1: near the Lebanese border is still evacuated. These people, it's empty.

1178
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 1: These people have not been in their homes since October seventh,

1179
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:21,240
Speaker 1: and so the mayors and the representatives of those towns,

1180
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:23,520
Speaker 1: they were actually pissed off about this because they're the

1181
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:25,480
Speaker 1: ones who have to bear the brunt of the retaliation

1182
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:28,200
Speaker 1: from Hesbola. So they say this is all about you know,

1183
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:30,480
Speaker 1: you just caring about Tel Aviv. First, and foremost, you

1184
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:32,799
Speaker 1: don't care about us, You don't care about actually making

1185
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:34,960
Speaker 1: it secure so we can get back to our lives

1186
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:37,840
Speaker 1: and to our homes here. I also did a monologue

1187
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:40,360
Speaker 1: that was you know, I was surprised by how viral

1188
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:45,680
Speaker 1: it went about a tremendous economic cost that Israel is varying.

1189
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:48,920
Speaker 1: They had this huge intel plant that pulled out, as

1190
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 1: I mentioned just a moment ago, this huge region that's evacuated.

1191
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:54,440
Speaker 1: You still have, you know, all these reservists getting called up.

1192
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 1: That's totally undercutting their tech sector. Air travel is consistently disrupted,

1193
00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:04,480
Speaker 1: Tourism is completely dead. The construction industry and many others

1194
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:08,440
Speaker 1: are horrifically hobbled because they really relied on like Palestinian

1195
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:11,239
Speaker 1: day labors as chief labor and they're not allowed to

1196
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:13,359
Speaker 1: come in and work anymore so, and they haven't been

1197
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:16,400
Speaker 1: able to fill those ranks with cheap foreign war and workers.

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00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:20,360
Speaker 1: So they're screwed and a lot of dimensions economically, and

1199
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 1: people are feeling the pain from that as well. But yeah,

1200
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:27,640
Speaker 1: there's one clear solution to this, which is to for

1201
00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:30,440
Speaker 1: the US to force the ceasefire here. And it's not

1202
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:33,360
Speaker 1: going to be from these bullshit talks that are happening

1203
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:36,600
Speaker 1: right now, because clearly Joe Biden and Kamala Harris are

1204
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:39,000
Speaker 1: still unwilling to use any.

1205
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 4: Sort of actual pressure to force an end to the hostilities.

1206
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:44,920
Speaker 1: And all of the tensions with Iran, and all the

1207
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:49,040
Speaker 1: atensions with HESBLA, and all the tensions with the Iraqi militias,

1208
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Speaker 1: all of this is centered on what is happening in Goaza.

1209
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:53,720
Speaker 1: Let me go and put this up on the screen.

1210
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 1: The latest in terms of the ceasefire talks, most of

1211
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:01,160
Speaker 1: the indications seem to be the this is really going nowhere.

1212
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:02,920
Speaker 4: I mean, these have been gone going for weeks.

1213
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:06,680
Speaker 1: The US officials are trying to paint a rosy picture

1214
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:10,319
Speaker 1: about this. They're saying, oh, this is has been constructive.

1215
00:57:11,239 --> 00:57:13,640
Speaker 1: They were conducted in the spirit of reaching a final

1216
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:17,720
Speaker 1: and implementable agreement, with all sides sharing that sentiment. However,

1217
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:20,880
Speaker 1: in this Times of Israel report, they say notably, US

1218
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:23,280
Speaker 1: officials appear to be the only party in the talks

1219
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:26,920
Speaker 1: who sound hopeful about their trajectory. Despite the US officials

1220
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:30,040
Speaker 1: optimistic framing, the Biden administration had last week indicated it

1221
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:32,960
Speaker 1: was aiming to have a deal reached by now and

1222
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:37,560
Speaker 1: we've discussed this before, so just to recall the timeline

1223
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:40,800
Speaker 1: of events, not now who had agreed to more or

1224
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 1: less the ceasefire deal. That Biden announced that big speech

1225
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:46,120
Speaker 1: and said, hey, is Israel's agreed to this. Now we

1226
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 1: need Hamas to come to the table and accept these terms,

1227
00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:52,080
Speaker 1: which you know he framed as being very generous, and

1228
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:55,880
Speaker 1: Hamas kind of called their bluff. Okay, we accept, and

1229
00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 1: then Bbe starts laying in his own officials. By the way,

1230
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:00,360
Speaker 1: Israeli officials are the ones say.

1231
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:01,160
Speaker 4: He's adding on.

1232
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 1: Bibe is adding on additional conditions to make it a

1233
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 1: poison pill that Hamas will never accept.

1234
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 4: But US officials never even call that out.

1235
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Speaker 1: They continue to insist on this framing that Hamas is

1236
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:15,680
Speaker 1: the only problem here, when it's very clear and has

1237
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:18,480
Speaker 1: been very clear Bib Detanya, who does not want to

1238
00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 1: cease fire. He does not want an end to the deal.

1239
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:22,760
Speaker 1: And one of the things that he has included as

1240
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:27,120
Speaker 1: a condition that is unacceptable to Hamas here is we

1241
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 1: want to cease fire that's not actually a ceasefire where

1242
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:32,080
Speaker 1: we to go back to prosecuting this war exactly in

1243
00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:34,360
Speaker 1: the way that we've been prosecuting it. So you know,

1244
00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:37,160
Speaker 1: I have very little I have no hope at this

1245
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:40,439
Speaker 1: point that these particular ceasefire talks are going to come

1246
00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:43,560
Speaker 1: to any greater end than the previous rounds of ceasefire

1247
00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:44,400
Speaker 1: talks that we have seen.

1248
00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:46,320
Speaker 3: So yeah, but one of the things I do have

1249
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 3: a real worry about.

1250
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:49,200
Speaker 2: Let's put the Financial Times please please up on the

1251
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:51,840
Speaker 2: screen and what they talk about here. Yes, I said,

1252
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:54,920
Speaker 2: the biggest exchange of fire since two thousand and six,

1253
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:56,920
Speaker 2: sharp increase in hostilities.

1254
00:58:57,200 --> 00:58:58,720
Speaker 3: Nosrella is trying.

1255
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:00,800
Speaker 2: I mean, he says, if the result is satisfactory and

1256
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:04,000
Speaker 2: the intended goals achieved, we will consider the response operation

1257
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:06,200
Speaker 2: has ended. If the result is not enough, we will

1258
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:09,440
Speaker 2: reserve the right to respond at another time. But this

1259
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:12,560
Speaker 2: has just been flaring up now for weeks, and you know,

1260
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:16,240
Speaker 2: can he really he also has internal constituencies and things

1261
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:18,800
Speaker 2: he has to manage. He's got a hundred guys under

1262
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:22,040
Speaker 2: jets which just blew the crap out of a preemptive attack, allegedly,

1263
00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:24,760
Speaker 2: at least according to the IDF. And this is where

1264
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:27,480
Speaker 2: stuff actually starts to get very real about the internal

1265
00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:30,800
Speaker 2: politics of Lebanon, about the in the use of force

1266
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:34,680
Speaker 2: by US forces and remember, I mean, look, put them

1267
00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:35,200
Speaker 2: all out of this.

1268
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:36,680
Speaker 3: I don't particularly care that much.

1269
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:38,400
Speaker 2: What I care about is we got sit in duck

1270
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:41,440
Speaker 2: troops in Iraq and Syria which are just waiting, you know,

1271
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:44,440
Speaker 2: to be attacked by these same proxy groups. And then

1272
00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:46,280
Speaker 2: what's going to happen. And also this is where I

1273
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:47,919
Speaker 2: got to bring Joe Biden in. So I just see

1274
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:50,080
Speaker 2: this morning he's going to be spending the entire week

1275
00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:54,600
Speaker 2: in Delaware. He's coming from vacation in California. So it's like,

1276
00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:56,160
Speaker 2: what are you doing this nice gig?

1277
00:59:56,240 --> 00:59:57,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, presidency thing?

1278
00:59:57,280 --> 00:59:59,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, it sounds nice, right, that sounds like a grade?

1279
00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:01,959
Speaker 2: Is the at the beach after it to go spend

1280
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:05,800
Speaker 2: a week in California after DNC humiliation, and now I

1281
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:07,520
Speaker 2: get to go spend a week at my beach house

1282
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:10,640
Speaker 2: in Rehoboth. It's like, do you do anything, dude? Like

1283
01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:12,800
Speaker 2: what is happening right now? And every once in a

1284
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:15,240
Speaker 2: while he'll pop up on a phone call for thirty

1285
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:17,560
Speaker 2: minutes and then they leak that he's very concerned. I'm like,

1286
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:20,880
Speaker 2: we have been a husk as president. The entire region

1287
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:23,600
Speaker 2: is there's a power vacuum. We're obviously consumed by our

1288
01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:26,120
Speaker 2: own domestic politics. I mean, what I look at is

1289
01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:28,720
Speaker 2: the signs, and the signs are two US aircraft carriers,

1290
01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:32,040
Speaker 2: multiple US assets, the Secretary of Defense and the Secretary

1291
01:00:32,080 --> 01:00:34,760
Speaker 2: of State basically living abroad in the Middle East. And

1292
01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:37,800
Speaker 2: I'm scared. I honestly am, you know, by the behavior

1293
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:38,600
Speaker 2: that we see here.

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Speaker 3: Maybe it's a temporary reprieve, but we don't know, we

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Speaker 3: have no idea.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's a very simple answer here. Stop shipping

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Speaker 1: the bombs. Stop ship That's it, you know, I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's it's a very simple answer. And sure Israel has

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Speaker 1: a right to defend themselves, they do not have a

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Speaker 1: right to use our weapons to do so.

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Speaker 4: And so the impotence here.

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Speaker 1: It's humiliating, it's immoral, it's disgusting. At this point, you

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Speaker 1: mentioned Sager, Oh, we're still I honestly can't believe we're

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Speaker 1: still getting these reports.

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Speaker 3: Oh.

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Speaker 1: Biden had another tough phone call with bib Nagna. He

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Speaker 1: urged him to get on board with the ceasfire deal.

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Speaker 1: It's like, who is this for at this point? Like

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Speaker 1: who is buying this at this point? I genuinely don't know,

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Speaker 1: Like do they still think that this is a thing

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Speaker 1: that anyone cares about, that anyone gives any credence to him,

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Speaker 1: you know, weekly while he's sitting on the beach or whatever.

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Speaker 7: Oh bb.

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Speaker 4: Bbe doesn't care. That's very clear. And no one should.

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Speaker 1: Be fooled by the idea that Joe Biden is taking

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Speaker 1: any kind of a tough stance with bb Naannaho, because

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Speaker 1: obviously his words do not matter to the extent that

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Speaker 1: he's said anything tough to bb whatsoever. You have to

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Speaker 1: pull the plot, you have to force the outcome. As

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Speaker 1: still the American president of the world superpower.

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Speaker 4: You have that power. You're just choosing not to use it.

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Speaker 4: And it is utterly pathetic.

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Speaker 1: And if you, Joe Biden, cares so much about your legacy,

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Speaker 1: which I think you do, this is going to be

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Speaker 1: one of the primary things people remember you for. This blood,

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Speaker 1: this whore, this potential escalation, which is incredibly dangerous for

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Speaker 1: American interests.

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Speaker 4: All of that is on you.

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Speaker 1: So if you actually want to be able to salvage

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Speaker 1: any sort of a reputation coming out of this single

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Speaker 1: term as the American president, this is what you need

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Speaker 1: to do.

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Speaker 4: You need to make this end now.

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Speaker 2: Well, he's too busy on vacation. So anyway, we're in

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Speaker 2: good hands. Folks, don't worry about it. Everything is cool.

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Speaker 2: Let's move on to a very terrifying story and a

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Speaker 2: very troubling situation. Let's put this up there on the screen.

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Speaker 2: Telegram Chief Pavel Durov has been arrested in France. So

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Speaker 2: Pavel Durov is fascinating figure, very elusive billionaire who had

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Speaker 2: dual French Russian citizen. He had a long time tech entrepreneur,

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01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:06,800
Speaker 2: had fled Russia actually for refusing to capitulate to Russian

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Speaker 2: demands that he have censorship on their social media. He's

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Speaker 2: been living in dubai now for quite some time. It's

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Speaker 2: unclear exactly why he was in France, but he was

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Speaker 2: there on a flight, private flight from Azerbaijan that landed

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Speaker 2: in Paris, and it appears that he has been taken

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Speaker 2: into custody by French authorities. Keep in mind he is

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Speaker 2: a French citizen or a dual French Russian national. Now,

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Speaker 2: according to French media, he has been detained by the

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Speaker 2: Office which is quote Preventing violence against Miners, who had

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Speaker 2: previously issued an arrest warrant for Durov in a preliminary

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Speaker 2: investigation quote into alleged offenses including fraud, drug trafficking, cyberbullying,

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Speaker 2: organized crime, promotion of terrorism. He is accused of failing

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Speaker 2: to take action to curb the criminal use of his platform.

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Speaker 2: The investigator said, quote enough of Telegram's impunity, adding that

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Speaker 2: they were suppre he came to Paris knowing that he

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Speaker 2: is a wanted man. Now this goes back to the

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Speaker 2: very ethos of Telegram itself, which does not believe in censorship.

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Speaker 2: Part of the reason that Durov has basically had to

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Speaker 2: live in Dubai, had to flee Russia, had to basically

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Speaker 2: flee the United States and any of these EU jurisdictions,

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Speaker 2: is that all of these governments are begging him to

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Speaker 2: censor content that they don't like. And that's one of

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Speaker 2: the things I hate the most about the discourse on Telegram.

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Speaker 2: They're like, oh, it's pro Russian, Well, yeah, a lot

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Speaker 2: of Russians use it. You know who else uses it?

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Speaker 2: The Ukrainians. And that's why the Russians they also don't

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Speaker 2: like Telegram. They want to penetrate Telegram. That's the other thing.

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Speaker 2: The NSA and the US services they want to penetrate

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Speaker 2: Telegram because they want to see what the Russians are

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Speaker 2: up to. Everybody has a reason for hating Telegram, and

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Speaker 2: that just tells me they're doing something right. And Durov

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01:04:46,440 --> 01:04:49,800
Speaker 2: himself is genuinely committed to the principles of free speech,

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Speaker 2: not bowing to censorship, and his product works as a result.

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Speaker 2: He has nine hundred million users on the platforms, one

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Speaker 2: of the largest social networks in the world. You know,

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Speaker 2: it may not be all that pos popular here, but

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Speaker 2: for those of us who follow foreign stuff, I'm, you know,

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Speaker 2: part of a couple telegram channels and others, I've never

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Speaker 2: had any thought. I'm like that this at the very

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Speaker 2: least is being spied on, you know, this channel and otherwise.

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Speaker 2: And so when we see him blatantly get arrested, it's

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Speaker 2: a very chilling effect. Again, I don't know why he

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Speaker 2: was in Paris, and there's a lot of even the investigators,

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Speaker 2: Leamon said, they're like, we don't even know why he

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Speaker 2: would come, right when he has an a restaurant. I

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Speaker 2: don't know what the you know, I mean, he is

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Speaker 2: a French citizen. At the same time, he is a

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Speaker 2: right to defend himself at least, you know, allegedly, but

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Speaker 2: his detention has now been extended Crystal. Originally it was

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Speaker 2: like a foty eight hour detention has now been extended

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Speaker 2: to ninety six hours. We have heard nothing from him

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Speaker 2: and he remains inside of French custody. Nonetheless, it's very

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Speaker 2: chilling because it comes on the heels of a lot

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Speaker 2: of the crackdown going on in the UK right now,

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Speaker 2: where they're imprisoning a lot of people for you know, look,

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Speaker 2: if you're a rioter and you're genuinely committing violence, fine,

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Speaker 2: but in the UK they don't think that way. They're like, oh,

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Speaker 2: if you encourage rioting boom, you might as well have participated.

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Speaker 2: You are going to jail for some is longer than

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Speaker 2: they have so they also, by the way, one of

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Speaker 2: the things against him in France is oh his telegram

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Speaker 2: helped organize the.

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Speaker 3: Far right protesters in the UK.

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Speaker 2: So clearly there is a major chilling effect here and

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Speaker 2: I'm very concerned about what happens with Pavel Doorov.

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Speaker 1: It's a very concerning development, There's no doubt about it.

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Speaker 1: Telegram has become extremely important for you pointed out, you know,

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Speaker 1: Russians like pro war military Russians organizing their the Ukrainians

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Speaker 1: organizing their Some of the horrible atrocities that we've seen

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Speaker 1: coming out of Gaza have come because IDF soldiers were

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Speaker 1: posting them. And actually we learned that the Israeli government

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Speaker 1: was behind some of those telegram channels that were posting

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Speaker 1: some of these unbelievable horse So I mean, yeah, awful

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Speaker 1: that they're posting this stuff, but also important that the

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Speaker 1: world was able to gain an insight into what is

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Speaker 1: going on there and the way these IDF soldiers were

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Speaker 1: super proud of it.

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Speaker 4: And those are just a couple of instances.

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Speaker 1: So you know, anytime a country moves to block telegram,

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Speaker 1: it's a very concerning development because it has become so

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Speaker 1: important for these dissident channels. He's certainly, you know, is

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Speaker 1: a I think it's fair to describe him as like

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Speaker 1: a radical anti censorship activist. At the same time, I

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01:07:19,120 --> 01:07:21,560
Speaker 1: do want to sound a note of caution. I want

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Speaker 1: to know more about the details of what they're alleging

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Speaker 1: here and what he actually was arrested for. And I

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Speaker 1: also will say, you know, I believe in the conception

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Speaker 1: of free speech as embodied by you know, the American

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Speaker 1: Bill of Rights, which isn't totally unfettered, for like, posting

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Speaker 1: threats not acceptable, Posting kiddie porn not acceptable, Posting revenge porn,

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Speaker 1: in my opinion, not acceptable, And there have been times

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Speaker 1: when Telegram has failed to moderate content like that, which

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Speaker 1: I do think should be moderated. So I just want

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Speaker 1: to add a little bit of nuance into the conversation

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Speaker 1: of like, I don't actually support a platform where you

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01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:03,480
Speaker 1: literally can post literally anything, because again I think the

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Speaker 1: child porn thing is like the most clear example, but

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Speaker 1: I also would use those other ones as as instances

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01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:12,240
Speaker 1: like credible threats you shouldn't be posting as well. But

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Speaker 1: the fact that he's been you know, targeted, arrested here

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01:08:15,800 --> 01:08:17,960
Speaker 1: is something that any one of us who was concerned

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01:08:17,960 --> 01:08:21,360
Speaker 1: about free speech, concerned about censorship should certainly be paying

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Speaker 1: very close attention to.

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Speaker 4: And I want to know a lot what details.

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Speaker 3: Here's my thought.

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Speaker 2: Look, if they had him on Kenny Porn, they would

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01:08:26,720 --> 01:08:28,320
Speaker 2: say it, all right, they would we would all know,

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01:08:28,840 --> 01:08:30,559
Speaker 2: all of us would know. Also, this channel has got

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01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:32,920
Speaker 2: news for us even saying those words out loud by

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01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:35,479
Speaker 2: the YouTube algorithm. So I guess everybody enjoyed this on

1452
01:08:35,560 --> 01:08:37,760
Speaker 2: the podcast but whatever, that's what we have to do here.

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Speaker 3: If they had the proof, they would have released that.

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Speaker 2: You know, everything that they are releasing so far is

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Speaker 2: that they're taking steps to cut back disinformation, the sharing

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01:08:48,040 --> 01:08:50,960
Speaker 2: of links and bots. You know that they're looking at

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01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:53,559
Speaker 2: the exchange the office. Also, by the way, that that

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01:08:53,720 --> 01:08:55,800
Speaker 2: detained him, like I said, has nothing to do with

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01:08:56,479 --> 01:08:59,559
Speaker 2: child pornography allegedly, it has to do with you know,

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01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:05,360
Speaker 2: with tear and with criminal, criminal enterprises that are organizing

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01:09:05,400 --> 01:09:06,679
Speaker 2: there on the platform now.

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Speaker 3: And this is the other problem. This is Europe.

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Speaker 2: They don't have free speech in Europe. They literally don't Europe.

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01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:14,519
Speaker 2: They basically guilty before proven innocent. In France, they can

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Speaker 2: take your citizenship away and throw your ass in jail

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01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:19,640
Speaker 2: if they want to. And they really don't have to

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01:09:19,680 --> 01:09:22,720
Speaker 2: prove anything in their judicial system, so they need to

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01:09:22,760 --> 01:09:26,880
Speaker 2: release the evidence at the very least. He has previously,

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01:09:26,920 --> 01:09:31,120
Speaker 2: it seems, traveled to Berlin, San Francisco, London, Singapore and

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Speaker 2: other cities before making Dubai the headquarters. He actually gave

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Speaker 2: it interesting interview with Tucker Carlson just a few months

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01:09:38,040 --> 01:09:40,320
Speaker 2: ago where he talked about one of the reasons why

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01:09:40,320 --> 01:09:42,679
Speaker 2: he had to leave the United States. Let's take a listen.

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01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:47,719
Speaker 8: We got too much attention from the FBI, the security

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01:09:47,800 --> 01:09:51,439
Speaker 8: agencies wherever we came to the US. So to give

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01:09:51,439 --> 01:09:54,120
Speaker 8: you an example, last time I was in the US,

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Speaker 8: I brought an engineer that is working for Telegram, and

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01:09:59,360 --> 01:10:04,280
Speaker 8: there was an attempt to secretly hire my engineer behind

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01:10:04,320 --> 01:10:09,479
Speaker 8: my back by cybersecurity officers or agents where they are called.

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01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:13,160
Speaker 3: The US government should to hire your engineer, that's my understanding.

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01:10:13,200 --> 01:10:15,599
Speaker 3: That's what he told me to write code for them

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01:10:15,720 --> 01:10:17,760
Speaker 3: or to break into Telegram.

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01:10:18,200 --> 01:10:22,840
Speaker 8: They were curious to learn which open source libraries are

1484
01:10:22,880 --> 01:10:27,200
Speaker 8: integrated to the Telegram's app on the client side, and

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01:10:27,280 --> 01:10:32,360
Speaker 8: they were trying to persuade him to use certain open

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01:10:32,400 --> 01:10:36,799
Speaker 8: source tools that he would then integrate into the telegrams

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01:10:36,840 --> 01:10:40,639
Speaker 8: code that in my understanding, would serve as back.

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01:10:40,520 --> 01:10:43,920
Speaker 4: Doors, would allow the US government to spy on people

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01:10:43,920 --> 01:10:45,559
Speaker 4: who use Telegram.

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01:10:45,160 --> 01:10:48,200
Speaker 8: The US government to maybe any other government, because the

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01:10:48,280 --> 01:10:50,880
Speaker 8: backdoor is a backdoor regardless of who is using it.

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01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:55,240
Speaker 8: One time, I was having my breakfast at a nine

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01:10:55,320 --> 01:11:01,160
Speaker 8: am and the FBI showed up my house that I

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01:11:01,240 --> 01:11:05,400
Speaker 8: was renting, and that was quite surprising, and I thought,

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01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:09,679
Speaker 8: you know, We're getting too much attention here. It's probably

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01:11:09,720 --> 01:11:11,639
Speaker 8: not the best environment to run.

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01:11:12,160 --> 01:11:14,000
Speaker 3: Why would they had you committed a crime.

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01:11:14,760 --> 01:11:19,000
Speaker 8: No, they were interested to learn more about Telegram. They

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01:11:19,040 --> 01:11:25,479
Speaker 8: knew I, you know, left Russia. They knew what we're doing,

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01:11:25,600 --> 01:11:29,479
Speaker 8: but they wanted details. And my understanding is that they

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01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:34,799
Speaker 8: wanted to establish a relationship to in a way control

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01:11:34,840 --> 01:11:35,559
Speaker 8: Telegram better.

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01:11:35,800 --> 01:11:37,920
Speaker 2: See this is why Durav is very inconvenient for them

1504
01:11:37,920 --> 01:11:39,960
Speaker 2: because put this up there on the screen. He left

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01:11:40,040 --> 01:11:43,719
Speaker 2: Russia because the Russians wanted to pressure him to censor

1506
01:11:44,200 --> 01:11:47,360
Speaker 2: the social media network that he founded in the company,

1507
01:11:47,640 --> 01:11:49,799
Speaker 2: which is very popular. I think it's like their Facebook.

1508
01:11:49,960 --> 01:11:51,479
Speaker 2: I'm not even going to try and pronounce it, but

1509
01:11:51,960 --> 01:11:54,559
Speaker 2: I know it exists. It starts with a V. The point, though,

1510
01:11:54,720 --> 01:11:56,920
Speaker 2: is that the guy has always been, you know, kind

1511
01:11:56,920 --> 01:11:59,439
Speaker 2: of standing up to governments trying to say no, I'm

1512
01:11:59,479 --> 01:12:01,600
Speaker 2: not going to sense what you want. Everything that we

1513
01:12:01,680 --> 01:12:04,519
Speaker 2: have right now is an indication, Crystal, not of the

1514
01:12:04,560 --> 01:12:06,880
Speaker 2: stuff that you're talking about, which I don't disagree, but

1515
01:12:07,080 --> 01:12:10,479
Speaker 2: is about the so called like criminal organizing. So the

1516
01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:14,960
Speaker 2: a representative of Alexei Navolney has come out and has

1517
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:18,559
Speaker 2: defended Durov being like, just because criminals use telegram does

1518
01:12:18,600 --> 01:12:21,080
Speaker 2: not mean that he is liable for that. I mean,

1519
01:12:21,120 --> 01:12:24,000
Speaker 2: and you could obviously apply that same logic you know

1520
01:12:24,120 --> 01:12:28,479
Speaker 2: here in the US to WhatsApp or to any messaging service,

1521
01:12:28,600 --> 01:12:31,559
Speaker 2: like the whole idea of a platform and that and big.

1522
01:12:31,560 --> 01:12:34,640
Speaker 2: But though because France in particular, where Rumble one of

1523
01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:36,320
Speaker 2: the channels we post on, I think it's banned in

1524
01:12:36,400 --> 01:12:39,280
Speaker 2: France for this exact reason. They have a much more

1525
01:12:39,280 --> 01:12:42,879
Speaker 2: hardcore government censorship resime. So since he's a friend citizen,

1526
01:12:43,280 --> 01:12:45,760
Speaker 2: you know, it's it's a problem. It's definitely gonna be

1527
01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:46,200
Speaker 2: a problem.

1528
01:12:46,280 --> 01:12:49,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, and I definitely want to know a lot

1529
01:12:49,160 --> 01:12:51,920
Speaker 1: more details about what it is that they allege that

1530
01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:54,639
Speaker 1: he did. And it does get to some of these

1531
01:12:54,680 --> 01:12:57,360
Speaker 1: questions about like are you a publisher orre you a platform?

1532
01:12:57,439 --> 01:12:57,639
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1533
01:12:57,720 --> 01:12:58,800
Speaker 4: Like if you're are you just.

1534
01:12:59,040 --> 01:13:03,360
Speaker 1: Like you know, a telephone service like thisral neutral carrier

1535
01:13:03,840 --> 01:13:06,720
Speaker 1: or do you have some responsibility for what's posted on

1536
01:13:06,760 --> 01:13:10,360
Speaker 1: your platform? And if you do, how much responsibility and

1537
01:13:10,400 --> 01:13:12,280
Speaker 1: where are the lines about what's allowed to be posting?

1538
01:13:12,360 --> 01:13:15,040
Speaker 1: If there you know, if there's a failure in that is,

1539
01:13:15,240 --> 01:13:18,160
Speaker 1: how is that? How is that adjudicated? So it gets

1540
01:13:18,160 --> 01:13:20,120
Speaker 1: to some of those questions too. But again, we know

1541
01:13:20,880 --> 01:13:23,439
Speaker 1: very little about this, and I do think you are

1542
01:13:23,520 --> 01:13:26,599
Speaker 1: absolutely correct that it should be very troubling to people

1543
01:13:26,600 --> 01:13:29,200
Speaker 1: because telegram has pissed off so many governments around the world,

1544
01:13:29,360 --> 01:13:33,840
Speaker 1: including our own Russia, Ukraine. Like you know, if you

1545
01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:39,439
Speaker 1: are truly sort of radical free speech activist in favor

1546
01:13:39,479 --> 01:13:42,720
Speaker 1: of transparency, in favor of creating these neutral platforms, that

1547
01:13:42,800 --> 01:13:44,960
Speaker 1: is going to put you in a very dangerous position.

1548
01:13:44,960 --> 01:13:45,920
Speaker 4: And that's exactly what.

1549
01:13:45,880 --> 01:13:48,000
Speaker 2: That's what happens here is unfolded, and that's why, you know,

1550
01:13:48,040 --> 01:13:51,240
Speaker 2: that's why he's always known this. He's very rarely does interviews,

1551
01:13:51,720 --> 01:13:55,160
Speaker 2: very kind of keeps up very very low profile, and

1552
01:13:55,600 --> 01:13:56,639
Speaker 2: I'm worried about him.

1553
01:13:56,640 --> 01:13:58,519
Speaker 3: And look, it's on the French government.

1554
01:13:58,560 --> 01:14:00,599
Speaker 2: They need to prove, you know, but they do what

1555
01:14:00,920 --> 01:14:03,559
Speaker 2: he allegedly did, because think about what the Europeans have done.

1556
01:14:03,560 --> 01:14:05,800
Speaker 2: You know, very recently the UK is locking up all

1557
01:14:05,840 --> 01:14:09,080
Speaker 2: these so called far right you know, provocateurs, even if

1558
01:14:09,080 --> 01:14:11,160
Speaker 2: they are it's not not a crime in this country,

1559
01:14:11,200 --> 01:14:13,240
Speaker 2: it is a crime in their country. You have the

1560
01:14:13,280 --> 01:14:17,280
Speaker 2: EU who sent that weird letter to Elon Musk telling

1561
01:14:17,360 --> 01:14:20,160
Speaker 2: him not to interview Donald Trump on X, which is

1562
01:14:20,200 --> 01:14:21,120
Speaker 2: like who fuck are you?

1563
01:14:21,240 --> 01:14:21,320
Speaker 1: Like?

1564
01:14:21,439 --> 01:14:23,360
Speaker 3: Sorry? You know what, what have you created lately?

1565
01:14:23,640 --> 01:14:26,160
Speaker 2: And now you have the French government who's arresting this

1566
01:14:26,200 --> 01:14:29,680
Speaker 2: telegram CEO basically for you know, for at least at

1567
01:14:29,720 --> 01:14:30,320
Speaker 2: the very least.

1568
01:14:30,320 --> 01:14:31,599
Speaker 3: Now they're extending his detention.

1569
01:14:31,720 --> 01:14:34,280
Speaker 2: They haven't released any of the charges, and it's the

1570
01:14:34,280 --> 01:14:37,479
Speaker 2: burden of proof is on them because their censorious regime

1571
01:14:37,600 --> 01:14:40,519
Speaker 2: is proven now to anybody who looks at these issues.

1572
01:14:40,560 --> 01:14:43,000
Speaker 2: So I guess for anybody out there, just stay away,

1573
01:14:43,120 --> 01:14:48,600
Speaker 2: stay away from France. Let's go to Boeing. This is

1574
01:14:48,640 --> 01:14:51,080
Speaker 2: a very concerning situation. I mean, have my eye on

1575
01:14:51,080 --> 01:14:53,280
Speaker 2: this now. For quite some time, we've been tracking this

1576
01:14:53,360 --> 01:14:56,919
Speaker 2: story of these astronauts who are stuck in space because

1577
01:14:56,960 --> 01:15:00,479
Speaker 2: of the failure of the Boeing Starliner Space to be

1578
01:15:00,479 --> 01:15:03,519
Speaker 2: able to safely return them to Earth. Well, it now

1579
01:15:03,640 --> 01:15:07,280
Speaker 2: turns out, according to the NASA administrator, that they are

1580
01:15:07,360 --> 01:15:10,360
Speaker 2: going to have to stay up there until February twenty

1581
01:15:10,479 --> 01:15:14,360
Speaker 2: twenty five because they do not trust that Boeing Starliner

1582
01:15:14,680 --> 01:15:17,120
Speaker 2: is safe enough to return them back to Earth. They're

1583
01:15:17,120 --> 01:15:19,439
Speaker 2: going to have to come back on a SpaceX vehicle.

1584
01:15:19,680 --> 01:15:21,840
Speaker 2: Let's take a listen to what the NASA administrator had

1585
01:15:21,880 --> 01:15:22,200
Speaker 2: to say.

1586
01:15:22,640 --> 01:15:27,600
Speaker 7: NASA has decided that Butch and Sonny will return with

1587
01:15:27,840 --> 01:15:36,720
Speaker 7: Crew nine next February, and that Starliner will return uncrewed,

1588
01:15:37,880 --> 01:15:42,200
Speaker 7: and the specifics in the schedule will be discussed momentarily.

1589
01:15:43,240 --> 01:15:51,920
Speaker 7: Spaceflight is risky, even at its safe safest and even

1590
01:15:52,080 --> 01:15:57,440
Speaker 7: at its most routine, and a test flight, by nature

1591
01:15:59,320 --> 01:16:05,479
Speaker 7: is neither safe nor routine. And so the decision to

1592
01:16:05,640 --> 01:16:10,680
Speaker 7: keep Butch and Sunny aboard the International Space Station and

1593
01:16:10,840 --> 01:16:15,200
Speaker 7: bring the Boeing star Lineerer home uncrewed is the result

1594
01:16:15,439 --> 01:16:22,360
Speaker 7: of a commitment to safety. Our core value is safety,

1595
01:16:23,320 --> 01:16:25,280
Speaker 7: and it is our north Star.

1596
01:16:25,720 --> 01:16:28,880
Speaker 2: So just imagine you're these two astronauts. You're supposed to

1597
01:16:28,880 --> 01:16:30,720
Speaker 2: be up there for eight days. Now you're going to

1598
01:16:30,760 --> 01:16:33,920
Speaker 2: have to spend eight to nine months in space. Think

1599
01:16:33,920 --> 01:16:36,479
Speaker 2: about this. When they come back, the new president will

1600
01:16:36,520 --> 01:16:39,200
Speaker 2: be inaugurated. That's how far that they are going to

1601
01:16:39,200 --> 01:16:40,280
Speaker 2: be staying in space.

1602
01:16:40,479 --> 01:16:44,280
Speaker 1: Their health special loss and bone density loss.

1603
01:16:44,400 --> 01:16:46,800
Speaker 3: They didn't plan for it. I mean, it's kind of complicated.

1604
01:16:47,080 --> 01:16:49,599
Speaker 2: They're people who have spent I think they have spent

1605
01:16:49,640 --> 01:16:51,519
Speaker 2: this long in space. I'd have to go look it up.

1606
01:16:51,520 --> 01:16:52,720
Speaker 2: I think that there's a guy who's spent a year.

1607
01:16:52,720 --> 01:16:55,320
Speaker 2: But yes, I mean there are like they're probably be

1608
01:16:55,360 --> 01:16:58,920
Speaker 2: studied by scientists. There's like osteoporosis, and there's all these

1609
01:16:58,960 --> 01:17:01,479
Speaker 2: exercises and all these other things that they have to do.

1610
01:17:01,600 --> 01:17:03,120
Speaker 2: One of the most interesting things they did is like

1611
01:17:03,120 --> 01:17:05,719
Speaker 2: a twin study with Mark Kelly and his twin Scott,

1612
01:17:05,880 --> 01:17:08,200
Speaker 2: after one went to space, and they could literally compare

1613
01:17:08,240 --> 01:17:10,600
Speaker 2: them biologically and be like, oh, look, you know, is

1614
01:17:10,640 --> 01:17:12,840
Speaker 2: Jens changed a little bit or this change or is

1615
01:17:12,880 --> 01:17:15,400
Speaker 2: this level of radiation or you know, his height went

1616
01:17:15,439 --> 01:17:17,760
Speaker 2: down this amount of you know, I mean, look, being

1617
01:17:17,800 --> 01:17:20,320
Speaker 2: in space is it's not a natural environment, right, you

1618
01:17:20,360 --> 01:17:23,120
Speaker 2: know we're built for We're literally not built for it.

1619
01:17:23,280 --> 01:17:26,280
Speaker 2: Your bodily systems and everything. Nobody really knew how that

1620
01:17:26,360 --> 01:17:28,000
Speaker 2: was going to be affected. At the very least you

1621
01:17:28,000 --> 01:17:30,280
Speaker 2: could say it will certainly have an effect, you know,

1622
01:17:30,360 --> 01:17:34,559
Speaker 2: of some kind. So more importantly for their very lives.

1623
01:17:34,680 --> 01:17:38,880
Speaker 2: This is terrifying because this was a multi billion dollar

1624
01:17:38,960 --> 01:17:40,400
Speaker 2: now boondoggle by Boeing.

1625
01:17:40,520 --> 01:17:42,360
Speaker 3: Let's put this up there on the screen.

1626
01:17:42,479 --> 01:17:45,240
Speaker 2: So it all goes back to the fact that the

1627
01:17:45,320 --> 01:17:49,599
Speaker 2: star Liner vehicle has been literally in development for years

1628
01:17:50,080 --> 01:17:53,720
Speaker 2: and that transported those astronauts to the space station on

1629
01:17:54,120 --> 01:17:58,439
Speaker 2: June six. Now, during the flight to the station, several

1630
01:17:58,439 --> 01:18:03,519
Speaker 2: thrusters quote temporarily failed and engineers identified additional leaks within

1631
01:18:03,560 --> 01:18:07,599
Speaker 2: the propulsion system. Since then, NASA and Boeing have been

1632
01:18:07,640 --> 01:18:10,519
Speaker 2: trying to fix the problems, trying to determine if any

1633
01:18:10,560 --> 01:18:13,200
Speaker 2: of these threats, if the vehicle left the station carrying

1634
01:18:13,240 --> 01:18:16,120
Speaker 2: the astronauts, would have a safety problem for them in

1635
01:18:16,160 --> 01:18:19,519
Speaker 2: transport back. They've had almost three months now at this

1636
01:18:19,640 --> 01:18:21,880
Speaker 2: point to trying to fix this, and I think that's

1637
01:18:21,920 --> 01:18:24,640
Speaker 2: what's the most galling thing to me is, you know, spaceflight,

1638
01:18:25,400 --> 01:18:28,880
Speaker 2: American space program was like the pinnacle of American ingenuity.

1639
01:18:29,040 --> 01:18:31,559
Speaker 2: Everybody looks at a poll of thirteen because the miracle

1640
01:18:31,560 --> 01:18:33,479
Speaker 2: of Apollo thirteen is he had all these things go

1641
01:18:33,560 --> 01:18:36,200
Speaker 2: wrong and they came back safely, which is incredible. I

1642
01:18:36,200 --> 01:18:39,200
Speaker 2: mean literally putting the whole round peg was a square

1643
01:18:39,240 --> 01:18:41,320
Speaker 2: peg in a round hole. That's amazing. I mean it

1644
01:18:41,320 --> 01:18:43,479
Speaker 2: really is amazing. Not even just watch the movie. If

1645
01:18:43,479 --> 01:18:45,200
Speaker 2: you go read there's a book I like call it

1646
01:18:45,240 --> 01:18:48,120
Speaker 2: an Andrew Chaken. I forget the title anyway, read the

1647
01:18:48,160 --> 01:18:50,519
Speaker 2: history of it and you are astounded that this all

1648
01:18:50,600 --> 01:18:52,880
Speaker 2: happened in forty eight hour period. These people have had

1649
01:18:52,880 --> 01:18:54,800
Speaker 2: three months and they still can't figure out how to

1650
01:18:54,840 --> 01:18:57,200
Speaker 2: get these people back. And those are astronauts were going

1651
01:18:57,200 --> 01:18:59,400
Speaker 2: to the moon and we were able to get them back, yeah,

1652
01:18:59,400 --> 01:19:00,000
Speaker 2: in three days.

1653
01:19:00,080 --> 01:19:03,240
Speaker 4: Well, and that's there's a really there's several.

1654
01:19:03,000 --> 01:19:07,559
Speaker 1: Very important broader societal trends that are worth taking note of.

1655
01:19:07,600 --> 01:19:07,800
Speaker 3: Here.

1656
01:19:08,040 --> 01:19:10,679
Speaker 4: One is when you're talking about Apaola thirteen. That wasn't

1657
01:19:10,680 --> 01:19:11,840
Speaker 4: some outsourced company.

1658
01:19:11,840 --> 01:19:17,320
Speaker 1: That was US government capability, that we had technical expertise,

1659
01:19:17,439 --> 01:19:21,200
Speaker 1: the best in the world. Okay, that gets stripped away

1660
01:19:21,840 --> 01:19:25,880
Speaker 1: over years from an ideological assault that you know occurred

1661
01:19:25,920 --> 01:19:28,400
Speaker 1: under both democratic and republican administrations.

1662
01:19:28,479 --> 01:19:29,560
Speaker 4: Under neoliberalism.

1663
01:19:29,880 --> 01:19:32,000
Speaker 1: Then you get to the point where you know, we're

1664
01:19:32,040 --> 01:19:34,760
Speaker 1: so inept that we're having to like bum rides with

1665
01:19:34,800 --> 01:19:36,640
Speaker 1: the Russians, and.

1666
01:19:36,320 --> 01:19:37,639
Speaker 3: That happened for in the two thousands.

1667
01:19:37,680 --> 01:19:40,320
Speaker 1: Of that happens in that early two thousands, then there's

1668
01:19:40,320 --> 01:19:42,760
Speaker 1: this decision basically like all right, this is too embarrassing.

1669
01:19:43,000 --> 01:19:43,840
Speaker 4: We know what we'll do.

1670
01:19:44,000 --> 01:19:46,720
Speaker 1: We'll we'll go with it, we'll outsource it to the

1671
01:19:46,720 --> 01:19:49,400
Speaker 1: private sector. And that's how you end up with, you know,

1672
01:19:49,479 --> 01:19:53,759
Speaker 1: this partnership with Boeing, which there's you know, other storylines

1673
01:19:53,760 --> 01:19:55,400
Speaker 1: here that are important too. I mean, part of why

1674
01:19:55,439 --> 01:19:57,880
Speaker 1: Boeing sucks is number one because they, you know, have

1675
01:19:58,080 --> 01:20:01,760
Speaker 1: massive market consolidation, so there aren't a lot of other alternatives.

1676
01:20:02,000 --> 01:20:03,599
Speaker 4: SpaceX is supposed to save.

1677
01:20:03,439 --> 01:20:06,080
Speaker 1: Their ass here in terms of getting these astronauts back

1678
01:20:06,080 --> 01:20:09,000
Speaker 1: home in February or whenever it is. But so you

1679
01:20:09,040 --> 01:20:12,880
Speaker 1: have the stripping of government capability, that's number one. You

1680
01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:16,680
Speaker 1: have the outsourcing to Boeing and their lack of competition

1681
01:20:16,880 --> 01:20:18,920
Speaker 1: in the space and the fact that they're like you know,

1682
01:20:19,040 --> 01:20:22,639
Speaker 1: government contractor and like literally everything, and they gouge a taxpayer.

1683
01:20:22,640 --> 01:20:24,840
Speaker 1: The amount of money that the American taxpayer gives this

1684
01:20:24,880 --> 01:20:28,160
Speaker 1: company is just disgusting and absurd. Then you have the trends,

1685
01:20:28,280 --> 01:20:31,360
Speaker 1: which Matt Stoller has also tracked very closely, perhaps better

1686
01:20:31,400 --> 01:20:37,080
Speaker 1: than anyone, of total financialization, where rather than your profits

1687
01:20:37,360 --> 01:20:39,800
Speaker 1: coming from oh, I don't know, creating a good and

1688
01:20:39,840 --> 01:20:43,439
Speaker 1: effect and safe product, it comes from a bunch of

1689
01:20:43,439 --> 01:20:47,120
Speaker 1: market manipulation. So all the technical expertise is stripped from

1690
01:20:47,120 --> 01:20:48,760
Speaker 1: the top of the country. You put on a bunch

1691
01:20:48,760 --> 01:20:51,240
Speaker 1: of like money managers at the top, and Nikki Haley

1692
01:20:51,280 --> 01:20:53,800
Speaker 1: sitting on the board and all of this nonsense, and

1693
01:20:53,840 --> 01:20:56,160
Speaker 1: you end up with a situation where the planes don't

1694
01:20:56,200 --> 01:20:58,160
Speaker 1: fly and their space shuttle doesn't work. And it was

1695
01:20:58,200 --> 01:21:00,840
Speaker 1: disgusting to me too to read about how Boeing has

1696
01:21:00,840 --> 01:21:03,800
Speaker 1: been arguing for weeks. I guess with NASA like, no, no, no,

1697
01:21:03,840 --> 01:21:06,720
Speaker 1: it's fine, coming sales, it's holly safe, it's cool, and

1698
01:21:06,720 --> 01:21:10,240
Speaker 1: it's like, Jesus Christ, can you imagine risking your life

1699
01:21:10,280 --> 01:21:14,720
Speaker 1: on this thing? The I think the propulsion system wasn't functioning. Yeah,

1700
01:21:14,840 --> 01:21:17,840
Speaker 1: I'm not an expert. That seems pretty important. And when

1701
01:21:17,880 --> 01:21:21,720
Speaker 1: you consider the extremes that these space shuttles are subjected to,

1702
01:21:22,160 --> 01:21:27,720
Speaker 1: even the tiniest problem can turn into utter and complete catastrophe.

1703
01:21:27,760 --> 01:21:31,360
Speaker 1: So Bowling literally wanted to risk these two astronauts lives

1704
01:21:31,800 --> 01:21:35,240
Speaker 1: to cover their own corporate shame. That's basically what was

1705
01:21:35,280 --> 01:21:37,680
Speaker 1: going on here, and that is a disgusting testament to

1706
01:21:37,920 --> 01:21:39,240
Speaker 1: the state of corporate America.

1707
01:21:39,320 --> 01:21:43,240
Speaker 2: This star Liner is a decade long boondoggle. One point

1708
01:21:43,280 --> 01:21:46,120
Speaker 2: four billion dollars in losses on the program.

1709
01:21:46,200 --> 01:21:47,240
Speaker 3: That's not the amount that spent.

1710
01:21:47,320 --> 01:21:49,599
Speaker 2: One point four billion dollars in losses on the program

1711
01:21:49,680 --> 01:21:54,720
Speaker 2: now so far delays in software, sticky valves, the parachute system.

1712
01:21:55,000 --> 01:21:57,600
Speaker 2: All the leaders at NASA have said that they have

1713
01:21:57,680 --> 01:22:01,360
Speaker 2: had massive debates with Boeing and engineers over the thruster

1714
01:22:01,520 --> 01:22:03,439
Speaker 2: problems and the helium leaks.

1715
01:22:03,640 --> 01:22:05,280
Speaker 3: They didn't know if it was going to be one

1716
01:22:05,360 --> 01:22:06,280
Speaker 3: hundred percent fixed.

1717
01:22:06,520 --> 01:22:10,280
Speaker 2: And this is after the government actually had a quasi

1718
01:22:10,360 --> 01:22:13,080
Speaker 2: monopoly with Boeing. If we didn't have space actually be screwed.

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Speaker 2: So Ashley Vance is a great writer. He's written a

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01:22:15,920 --> 01:22:18,799
Speaker 2: lot about space and previously wrote a biography of elon

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01:22:18,880 --> 01:22:21,479
Speaker 2: which I really recommend. It was twenty seventeen, so a

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01:22:21,479 --> 01:22:23,200
Speaker 2: lot of it is pre twitter. Let's put this up

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01:22:23,240 --> 01:22:25,439
Speaker 2: there on the screen. So he recently wrote this book

1724
01:22:25,520 --> 01:22:28,000
Speaker 2: on space, and he accurately has his timeline where he

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01:22:28,040 --> 01:22:31,439
Speaker 2: talks about how in twenty fourteen, NASA awarded Boeing a

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01:22:31,479 --> 01:22:35,880
Speaker 2: four point two billion dollar fixed price contract to develop Starliner,

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Speaker 2: the reusable spacecraft that carry astronauts and cargo back and

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01:22:39,520 --> 01:22:42,559
Speaker 2: forth from the ISS. The contract includes once a year

1729
01:22:42,600 --> 01:22:46,080
Speaker 2: flights with crew of four twenty seventeen, the first crewed

1730
01:22:46,120 --> 01:22:49,400
Speaker 2: test flight was originally scheduled for that year. In twenty nineteen,

1731
01:22:49,640 --> 01:22:52,799
Speaker 2: the first unmanned orbital flight took place on December twentieth.

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01:22:52,920 --> 01:22:56,160
Speaker 2: It is considered quote a partial failure. Boeing had to

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01:22:56,200 --> 01:22:59,360
Speaker 2: take one point six billion dollars in charges of the

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01:22:59,400 --> 01:23:02,960
Speaker 2: program after this flight, mostly due to the failure. Twenty

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01:23:03,000 --> 01:23:06,840
Speaker 2: twenty an investigation and a review takes place. Twenty twenty two,

1736
01:23:07,400 --> 01:23:11,280
Speaker 2: another second investigation takes place that one was successful. Astronauts

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01:23:11,280 --> 01:23:14,120
Speaker 2: are then selected for a crude flight. Then the program

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01:23:14,200 --> 01:23:17,639
Speaker 2: is delayed indefinitely in July of twenty twenty three.

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01:23:17,960 --> 01:23:19,880
Speaker 3: Boeing takes a two hundred.

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01:23:19,600 --> 01:23:22,040
Speaker 2: And eighty eight million dollar loss in twenty twenty three

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01:23:22,320 --> 01:23:24,760
Speaker 2: and including two hundred and fifty seven million in the

1742
01:23:24,800 --> 01:23:28,280
Speaker 2: next quarter and finally twenty twenty four, the very first

1743
01:23:28,360 --> 01:23:32,680
Speaker 2: crewed test flight launches June five, experiences thrust or malfunction

1744
01:23:32,760 --> 01:23:35,800
Speaker 2: on approach to the ISS, which is that precision, you know,

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01:23:35,880 --> 01:23:38,800
Speaker 2: the ability to actually dock. NASA concludes it is too

1746
01:23:38,960 --> 01:23:41,720
Speaker 2: risky to return. So look at that, we're looking at

1747
01:23:41,760 --> 01:23:46,679
Speaker 2: almost five billion dollars loss on Boeing. Meanwhile, Crew Dragon

1748
01:23:46,720 --> 01:23:49,519
Speaker 2: has not cost anywhere close to that. SAX, that's a

1749
01:23:49,560 --> 01:23:52,240
Speaker 2: SpaceX one. SpaceX does not cost anywhere close to that.

1750
01:23:52,280 --> 01:23:54,479
Speaker 2: They have had to pass all their safety inspections. But

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01:23:54,520 --> 01:23:57,160
Speaker 2: one of the things that they point out is that Boeing,

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01:23:57,280 --> 01:23:59,880
Speaker 2: because of its previous relationship with the US government sou

1753
01:24:00,000 --> 01:24:02,639
Speaker 2: who's you know, the government, and does everything in its

1754
01:24:02,680 --> 01:24:06,120
Speaker 2: power to stop them from even having alternatives to go

1755
01:24:06,160 --> 01:24:09,400
Speaker 2: with SpaceX. Imagine if they had been successful, then those

1756
01:24:09,400 --> 01:24:12,679
Speaker 2: guys would be stranded up there, or worse, they would

1757
01:24:12,680 --> 01:24:15,000
Speaker 2: actually say, got to roll the dice. You know, we'll

1758
01:24:15,040 --> 01:24:17,639
Speaker 2: figure it out. Let's say there's a five percent chance.

1759
01:24:17,720 --> 01:24:20,360
Speaker 2: Well five percent chance is a lot actually when you

1760
01:24:20,400 --> 01:24:24,240
Speaker 2: consider somebody's life. That's the really scary and terrifying part.

1761
01:24:24,320 --> 01:24:27,080
Speaker 2: So my only hope is that given all the mishaps

1762
01:24:27,320 --> 01:24:30,040
Speaker 2: giving you know, the door plug, all of the talk

1763
01:24:30,080 --> 01:24:35,040
Speaker 2: about financialization, and now this humiliating failure of a flagship

1764
01:24:35,120 --> 01:24:38,439
Speaker 2: American company which was supposed to be the beacon of innovation,

1765
01:24:38,800 --> 01:24:41,360
Speaker 2: that everyone here in Washington can wake up.

1766
01:24:41,479 --> 01:24:43,720
Speaker 3: But I'm not stupid. They got plenty of money, yeah, and.

1767
01:24:43,760 --> 01:24:46,280
Speaker 2: Make a lot of good weapons programs in a lot

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01:24:46,320 --> 01:24:49,280
Speaker 2: of different government states. And you know, you and I

1769
01:24:49,400 --> 01:24:51,320
Speaker 2: were checking their stock yesterday was actually up.

1770
01:24:51,400 --> 01:24:54,160
Speaker 1: I know that was we were like, oh, is there

1771
01:24:54,160 --> 01:24:56,519
Speaker 1: a story here about the stock, you know, the Bowie

1772
01:24:56,520 --> 01:24:58,680
Speaker 1: stock crassroom and going look and it's like, nope, what

1773
01:24:58,800 --> 01:25:00,080
Speaker 1: was up on the day?

1774
01:25:00,080 --> 01:25:02,880
Speaker 3: Actually down there today it's there, you go.

1775
01:25:02,960 --> 01:25:05,800
Speaker 1: Their stock has gone through some things in general, so

1776
01:25:05,840 --> 01:25:07,720
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's not where it once was.

1777
01:25:08,320 --> 01:25:09,920
Speaker 4: However, if you're.

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01:25:09,760 --> 01:25:12,400
Speaker 1: An investor and you're looking like you've got nowhere else

1779
01:25:12,439 --> 01:25:14,559
Speaker 1: to go, they're still going to get their guard They're

1780
01:25:14,560 --> 01:25:16,600
Speaker 1: still going to get their weapons contracts, they're still going

1781
01:25:16,680 --> 01:25:18,720
Speaker 1: to be you know, selling airplanes, they're still going to

1782
01:25:18,760 --> 01:25:21,240
Speaker 1: be part of the space shuttle program. So it makes

1783
01:25:21,240 --> 01:25:24,240
Speaker 1: sense actually that and that that shows you how broken

1784
01:25:24,280 --> 01:25:27,080
Speaker 1: this is. This is a catastrophic, humiliating failure. In fact,

1785
01:25:27,120 --> 01:25:28,880
Speaker 1: we've been meaning to cover it for a while because

1786
01:25:28,920 --> 01:25:30,080
Speaker 1: you were paying attention.

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01:25:29,840 --> 01:25:32,600
Speaker 3: For a while. My god, they're still straight up there's.

1788
01:25:32,720 --> 01:25:34,719
Speaker 1: Something that was it just there was so much going

1789
01:25:34,720 --> 01:25:37,200
Speaker 1: on it kept getting pushed off, but we kept looking

1790
01:25:37,200 --> 01:25:42,200
Speaker 1: at I mean, what a catastrophic core failure. And if

1791
01:25:42,240 --> 01:25:45,120
Speaker 1: the free market works in the way that it's supposed to,

1792
01:25:45,240 --> 01:25:48,320
Speaker 1: you know I and Randy and theoretically work yachm, this

1793
01:25:48,360 --> 01:25:51,920
Speaker 1: would be then Okay, their stock crashes, their executives are punished,

1794
01:25:51,920 --> 01:25:54,000
Speaker 1: they figure it out, they bring in people actually know

1795
01:25:54,040 --> 01:25:56,160
Speaker 1: what the fuck they're doing, and they write the ship.

1796
01:25:56,439 --> 01:25:59,320
Speaker 1: But guess what, that's not happening because this is a

1797
01:25:59,360 --> 01:26:02,680
Speaker 1: broken mark it because this is you know, a monopoly

1798
01:26:03,040 --> 01:26:05,000
Speaker 1: because they have so much market consolidation, because they have

1799
01:26:05,080 --> 01:26:07,880
Speaker 1: so much government capture. The revolving door, I'm sure between

1800
01:26:07,880 --> 01:26:10,719
Speaker 1: Boeing and the federal government is you know, would would

1801
01:26:10,720 --> 01:26:14,360
Speaker 1: turn your stomach. And so, yeah, they'll be fine. You

1802
01:26:14,439 --> 01:26:17,160
Speaker 1: might not be fine, right the commercial airplane form. And

1803
01:26:17,200 --> 01:26:19,759
Speaker 1: that's the other thing is I don't feel as confident

1804
01:26:19,800 --> 01:26:22,720
Speaker 1: getting on. I hadn't flown in a while, and you

1805
01:26:22,720 --> 01:26:25,280
Speaker 1: guys know, I hadn't went through whatever normal air travel

1806
01:26:25,360 --> 01:26:28,240
Speaker 1: issues trying to get to Chicago, and one of the

1807
01:26:28,280 --> 01:26:30,680
Speaker 1: issues was the plane we got on. First they're like, oh,

1808
01:26:30,800 --> 01:26:33,200
Speaker 1: minor mechanical issue.

1809
01:26:33,720 --> 01:26:36,080
Speaker 4: Immediately you're like, oh, yeah, this is going to be bad.

1810
01:26:36,160 --> 01:26:37,960
Speaker 4: And then it's oh, it's worse than we thought.

1811
01:26:38,000 --> 01:26:40,519
Speaker 1: You guys can deplane because it's gonna be a while,

1812
01:26:40,600 --> 01:26:44,679
Speaker 1: and then you really know that you're screwed. But that little,

1813
01:26:44,920 --> 01:26:46,960
Speaker 1: you know, that concern you have in your head, it

1814
01:26:47,000 --> 01:26:49,040
Speaker 1: is larger for me than it once was. I used

1815
01:26:49,040 --> 01:26:50,679
Speaker 1: to set a foot on an airplane. I never thought

1816
01:26:50,680 --> 01:26:53,600
Speaker 1: twice about whether i'd get there safely. Now it's like

1817
01:26:53,920 --> 01:26:56,479
Speaker 1: you got all this door plug and all these other

1818
01:26:56,520 --> 01:26:59,280
Speaker 1: issues that have been mounting over the past number of years,

1819
01:26:59,280 --> 01:27:01,719
Speaker 1: and the whistle blow testimony about how, hey, they don't

1820
01:27:01,760 --> 01:27:04,160
Speaker 1: really pay that so much attention to what they're doing here,

1821
01:27:04,200 --> 01:27:07,759
Speaker 1: they'll use non conforming parts. Safety is not the priority anymore,

1822
01:27:08,120 --> 01:27:10,839
Speaker 1: and that starts to seep into a lot of travelers

1823
01:27:10,920 --> 01:27:13,320
Speaker 1: heads and you're going to have a very ugly situation with.

1824
01:27:13,560 --> 01:27:16,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's one of those Look, have I stopped flying? No,

1825
01:27:16,200 --> 01:27:17,800
Speaker 2: I fly out. In fact, I think I've got my

1826
01:27:17,880 --> 01:27:20,519
Speaker 2: most flights ever in a short period in the next

1827
01:27:21,040 --> 01:27:23,240
Speaker 2: two months. But you know, I'm going on an airbos

1828
01:27:23,240 --> 01:27:24,760
Speaker 2: in a couple of days. I'm happy about it.

1829
01:27:24,800 --> 01:27:25,479
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, yeah, you.

1830
01:27:25,479 --> 01:27:27,559
Speaker 2: Know, and I don't want to feel that way. That's

1831
01:27:27,600 --> 01:27:30,760
Speaker 2: a freaking French company. They barely work thirty five hours

1832
01:27:30,760 --> 01:27:33,400
Speaker 2: a week. I shouldn't be thinking about that, but you know,

1833
01:27:33,479 --> 01:27:34,200
Speaker 2: it's an air boss.

1834
01:27:34,200 --> 01:27:35,080
Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, cool.

1835
01:27:35,280 --> 01:27:36,920
Speaker 2: And then every time you know, you get on, you

1836
01:27:36,960 --> 01:27:39,519
Speaker 2: get those little the maintenance thing. I never even thought twice,

1837
01:27:39,560 --> 01:27:42,880
Speaker 2: but now you know, recently you'd be an idiot, not

1838
01:27:42,960 --> 01:27:44,760
Speaker 2: too well, I stop flying. No, but if there's like

1839
01:27:44,800 --> 01:27:48,439
Speaker 2: maybe five six more incidents, maybe whenever you look, because

1840
01:27:48,439 --> 01:27:50,840
Speaker 2: they do tell you the aircraft, whenever you book the plane,

1841
01:27:51,080 --> 01:27:53,639
Speaker 2: maybe you book the Embryer plane. And that's a Brazilian company.

1842
01:27:53,680 --> 01:27:55,920
Speaker 2: I'm not supposed to think about that. But that's one

1843
01:27:55,920 --> 01:27:59,040
Speaker 2: of those where they created this reality for us, and

1844
01:27:59,080 --> 01:28:02,599
Speaker 2: I think that's actually really devastating. So anyways, it's such

1845
01:28:02,600 --> 01:28:05,519
Speaker 2: an important story, we'll continue on it. I mean, who knows.

1846
01:28:05,600 --> 01:28:08,479
Speaker 2: Also with Boeing corruption what they can try and force.

1847
01:28:08,560 --> 01:28:10,559
Speaker 2: Maybe they'll see the government and try and force NaSTA

1848
01:28:10,600 --> 01:28:12,320
Speaker 2: to bring these people back. I would not put it

1849
01:28:12,360 --> 01:28:13,519
Speaker 2: past them for.

1850
01:28:13,479 --> 01:28:16,200
Speaker 1: What Maybe they wanted these two astronauts to die on

1851
01:28:16,240 --> 01:28:17,920
Speaker 1: the return flight so they wouldn't be able to speak

1852
01:28:17,960 --> 01:28:18,360
Speaker 1: on again.

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01:28:19,760 --> 01:28:22,800
Speaker 3: I'm just saying that's good. All right, guys. We appreciate you.

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Speaker 2: It's been a fun, fun show finally back in the studio.

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01:28:25,920 --> 01:28:29,200
Speaker 2: We appreciate all of our premium subscribers and others Breakingpoints

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Speaker 2: dot com.

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01:28:29,560 --> 01:28:30,920
Speaker 3: Otherwise, we're gonna have a great show for all of

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Speaker 3: you tomorrow and we'll see you then.