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Speaker 4: Texas and the SWEC Studios. It is the off season.
Speaker 4: We have finished up the NFC and AFC championship games.
Speaker 2: Now it's the two.
Speaker 4: Week wait until the Super Bowl. And this is a
Speaker 4: two week period there a lot goes on. There is
Speaker 4: a lot happening in the NFL. You've got draft preparation,
Speaker 4: coaching carousels. You've got continued looks at rosters and self
Speaker 4: reflection and.
Speaker 2: A whole lot of craziness.
Speaker 4: But we're here to break it down for you here
Speaker 4: over the next forty five minutes, We've got Isaiah Standback,
Speaker 4: John Machoda.
Speaker 2: I'm Kyle Yeomans. Nick Harris is out at the Senior Bowl.
Speaker 4: In Mobile, Alabama, Mobile and we'll check in with him
Speaker 4: in a couple of minutes in Mobail in Mobile. Yeah,
Speaker 4: what do you think about the Senior Bowl? You like
Speaker 4: watching these practices every once in a while.
Speaker 2: No, yeah, I kind of figure you're not a draft guy.
Speaker 2: I'm not a draft guy neither. Jo.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I mean some years I am. It depends on the class.
Speaker 6: It's turns down where the Cowboys are.
Speaker 2: Picking outside the top twenty.
Speaker 5: Factor in uh, but yeah, this year, I don't know.
Speaker 6: I think part of it with me too, is probably
Speaker 6: just because they didn't get a ton of their draft
Speaker 6: class this year in terms of contribution, So when they
Speaker 6: have so many other years in the past that immediately
Speaker 6: have had guys have helped. And I think that's subconsciously
Speaker 6: has factored in with me too. And I don't think
Speaker 6: that I would be alone in this. I think there's
Speaker 6: probably some other people that follow the Cowboys or Cowboys fans,
Speaker 6: they probably feel the same way.
Speaker 5: Just after you know your first picks.
Speaker 6: Mazzie Smith and then Luke Schoonmaker and then to Marvin
Speaker 6: Overshow and get Hurt, I mean that's those are your
Speaker 6: premium picks that you would expect could help you right away,
Speaker 6: and to not get much from them. It just it's
Speaker 6: kind of hard to sit there and sell like no, no, no.
Speaker 6: But this year, like they're going to get this guy
Speaker 6: here and this guy here and this guy here, and
Speaker 6: they're all going to help immediately. And they might you
Speaker 6: don't know. I mean that's the thing about the draft
Speaker 6: from year to year, it's different. But also I think
Speaker 6: they're gonna take an offensive lineman in the first round,
Speaker 6: and that's not as.
Speaker 5: Sexy as maybe some other positions.
Speaker 2: When they know it's sexy. About to say, Isaiah, that
Speaker 2: might be the one way, one way to get him
Speaker 2: excited about it. That's right, that's right. I need o line.
Speaker 2: Is that brick? It is brick? Yeah. On the NFL network,
Speaker 2: our fans can't see that though. Sorry sorry coach.
Speaker 4: Yeah, old Liman is definitely sexy.
Speaker 5: You might be interested.
Speaker 2: I know what is sexy. You know what's sexy scoring points.
Speaker 7: Look at all the teams that were playing this past weekend.
Speaker 7: All four teams had the ability to line up and
Speaker 7: just run the ball right at your face.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's sexy. Yeah.
Speaker 7: I'm just saying, if we're gonna go ahead and put
Speaker 7: the title sexy on me? That is it sexy? The
Speaker 7: definition of sexy and football is being able to run
Speaker 7: the ball and impose your will anytime you want it to.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean to a certain extent. I mean if
Speaker 6: you win the game that way, yeah, then it is.
Speaker 7: But if you lose, I mean you would like you
Speaker 7: would like to have the ability to do other things. Yeah, right,
Speaker 7: But I mean, like the game of football, you should
Speaker 7: always be able to just line up and run it.
Speaker 5: And this team, this Cowboys team, was not able to
Speaker 5: do that.
Speaker 2: They did not possess that this new year.
Speaker 6: But it makes you wonder, okay, to just adding one
Speaker 6: premium offensive lineman draft pick and to change that.
Speaker 2: It might it might. Yeah.
Speaker 7: You added Tyler Smith and he did pretty dog on will. Yeah,
Speaker 7: and he's played two positions for you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I think.
Speaker 4: You could help and move it in the right direction.
Speaker 4: Is it going to be the be all indo all
Speaker 4: solve all problem?
Speaker 2: Probably not.
Speaker 4: But does that also will limit you from doing anything else?
Speaker 2: I mean of vamping your run game? Probably? Three years
Speaker 2: ago to Kansas City chief was three years ago. Two
Speaker 2: years ago.
Speaker 7: Two years ago, Kansas City Chiefs swapped out four new
Speaker 7: office linemen.
Speaker 2: They got four new offices.
Speaker 4: Going into last year, so two full season, two seasons ago.
Speaker 7: Yeah, they got four out of five office linemen. They're
Speaker 7: brand new, right, whether you're in acquisitions through free agency
Speaker 7: or through the draft, right, and look where they are now.
Speaker 5: I hate using them as an example.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's not use them then.
Speaker 6: Yeah, they're a bad example because I like, hold on,
Speaker 6: maybe we might disagree on this. So, like I'm of
Speaker 6: the belief that I'm not saying Patrick Mahomes turns Carolina
Speaker 6: into an instant super Bowl contender, but what he like
Speaker 6: elevates even a Carolina Panthers to he would make like
Speaker 6: players on their team that right now, probably people in
Speaker 6: Carolina are like, man, you get rid of this guy,
Speaker 6: You get rid of this guy. Like he elevates everybody's
Speaker 6: play so much higher than what I think it would
Speaker 6: be with a lot of other players. That it's so
Speaker 6: difficult for me to judge Kansas City because of Patrick
Speaker 6: Mahomes because he has he just has the it factor.
Speaker 6: He's just so special. We're watching greatness in its prime.
Speaker 6: I totally so, I just that's the only team out
Speaker 6: like he.
Speaker 4: Was, him and Kelsey both, I mean, and that defense,
Speaker 4: those two guys are going to get a lot of
Speaker 4: the credit, Mahomes and Kelsey, and they definitely should.
Speaker 2: They're both incredible and they both have that hit factor.
Speaker 2: But that defense is legit as well.
Speaker 5: That is nasty, great defensive coordinator to you.
Speaker 4: But you look at the other three teams that were
Speaker 4: in the conference finals, talk about them. Baltimore number one
Speaker 4: rushing yards per game this year, San Francisco number three
Speaker 4: rushing yards per game this year, and Detroit number.
Speaker 2: Five rushing yards this year. So three of the top
Speaker 2: four teams in terms of the.
Speaker 4: Conference final finish. We're also three of the top five
Speaker 4: teams in terms of running the full.
Speaker 7: All those teams have good receivers and good quarterbacks, right yeah,
Speaker 7: not great quarterba.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah yeah yeah. But they said they can still
Speaker 2: throw the ball. It isn't the gate. Their ability to
Speaker 2: be able to throw it.
Speaker 5: And a good run game helps your past game.
Speaker 2: Too, I swear that's kind of the thing around here
Speaker 2: when you could run the ball.
Speaker 4: Just for reference, Dallas finished fourteenth in that category rushing
Speaker 4: yards per game. It's interesting, and that might have been
Speaker 4: ballooned by some games that were out of hand.
Speaker 7: Then you blew out it probably we have the ability
Speaker 7: to go back and see when Dallas was ranked in
Speaker 7: the top five in rushing.
Speaker 5: Oh, they probably were within the last couple of years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I would say probably twenty one or
Speaker 2: twenty two.
Speaker 5: Yeah, twenty they weren't very good.
Speaker 6: But I bet you one of these last two years,
Speaker 6: I thought they ran the ball pretty well. Maybe they
Speaker 6: didn't run it enough, but I thought they ran it
Speaker 6: well when they needed to.
Speaker 5: The last couple of years.
Speaker 4: They were ninth in twenty twenty two, eighteenth in yards
Speaker 4: per play.
Speaker 2: Twenty twenty one. As my WiFi is very slow, by
Speaker 2: the way.
Speaker 4: They were twentieth in yards per play yards per rush
Speaker 4: this year, So they were fourteenth overall, but they were
Speaker 4: twentieth bottom.
Speaker 5: And what was that like four something four point It
Speaker 5: was four point years.
Speaker 2: Zero one ish, Yeah, it was something like that.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 6: But I'm just interested because this offseason there could be
Speaker 6: a lot of change just to the Cowboys run game,
Speaker 6: you know, whether you talk about add an offensive lineman
Speaker 6: in the draft, you know, running back position. I think
Speaker 6: there's gonna be some new pieces there. So, and let's
Speaker 6: be honest, Mike McCarthy does want to run the ball.
Speaker 6: He's said this multiple times. I would think that there's
Speaker 6: gonna be a lot of focus on how do they
Speaker 6: fix that, how do they get better in that area?
Speaker 2: Do you think that he gave up on that this year.
Speaker 6: To a certain extent, But I also think that to
Speaker 6: a certain extent, you have to if you if you
Speaker 6: can't just keep banging your head against the wall and
Speaker 6: be like, yeah, you know, we could have won twelve
Speaker 6: games and set ourselves stuff for the two seed, but
Speaker 6: I want to establish a running game, which never happened,
Speaker 6: and we got a wild card, and you know, we
Speaker 6: ended up as the five seed and whatever lost in
Speaker 6: the first round, which I guess is the same thing
Speaker 6: that still happened. But they I think adjusting their offense
Speaker 6: allowed to put them in a position to be the
Speaker 6: two seed, and with how they've played at home, that's
Speaker 6: all you can ask for.
Speaker 4: By the way, last time Dallas was in the top
Speaker 4: five in terms of rushing yards per game twenty nineteen,
Speaker 4: So before like.
Speaker 2: McCarthy got here, you're like, nineteen ninety three, yeah, nineteen
Speaker 2: seventy six, No, it was they were fifth and thirty
Speaker 2: four yards per game.
Speaker 4: They were fifth in both rushing yards per game and
Speaker 4: yards per play yards per rush four.
Speaker 2: Point eight Wow in twenty nineteen. Pretty good. It's pretty solid.
Speaker 4: And they were also the top offense in the country
Speaker 4: that year because they were number two in passing and
Speaker 4: they were number one in total yards.
Speaker 2: Interesting.
Speaker 6: It is funny though, because to me, this on paper
Speaker 6: was the best Cowboys team, especially with factoring in being
Speaker 6: battle tested, having gone through making playoffs things like that,
Speaker 6: like they were ready to roll veteran coaching staff and
Speaker 6: all that. But it is interesting because when I go
Speaker 6: back to what would be the best team since then
Speaker 6: that the Cowboys have had, I go to sixteen and fourteen,
Speaker 6: and when I think of sixteen and fourteen, it's all
Speaker 6: about like, how good they were running the football?
Speaker 2: What was the office of line in twenty nineteen?
Speaker 4: You still had Frederick, you had you had just gotten
Speaker 4: rid of Leary, so it was Smith, Martin, Frederick, Connor Williams.
Speaker 6: That sounds about right, Yeah, And that loss in Frederick
Speaker 6: is huge.
Speaker 2: Man, who is who is your right tackle at that point? No,
Speaker 2: it was it was totally lyo. Yeah. So there's your
Speaker 2: starting file offense lie pretty good offensive one. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 7: I just think the correlation is just crazy. Yeah, that's all.
Speaker 6: But I mean, I'm saying, if you it is a
Speaker 6: freak thing that happened with Travis Frederick. If you put
Speaker 6: Travis Frederick with this offensive line, just how would elevate
Speaker 6: everything else?
Speaker 7: So it answers your question, there's one superstar office alignment
Speaker 7: change change up how this offense is really right?
Speaker 2: You know that Travis Frederick is a superstar. Whenever you
Speaker 2: draft a guy at twenty.
Speaker 4: Four over saying, if you're able to go select, there's
Speaker 4: a solid I don't know much about the draft, but.
Speaker 2: It's actually really really deep the terms office line to
Speaker 2: my understanding.
Speaker 7: Okay, So whether you go in free agency and I
Speaker 7: don't know how many guys are available and grab a
Speaker 7: veteran office a lineman, or you grab one of these
Speaker 7: young rookies who are capable if you add an additional
Speaker 7: piece there, Yes, I believe that, and I honestly I'm
Speaker 7: in the mindset that you need to have two because
Speaker 7: I think that you need to bring somebody in to
Speaker 7: be the successor to to Tyrone. Okay, and I also
Speaker 7: think that you if you can find an absolute dog,
Speaker 7: you double there. See if you can find an absolute
Speaker 7: dog at center, Okay, be honist if you know what
Speaker 7: you you know what you're gonna get out of him,
Speaker 7: right there's I don't I'm not one to put limits
Speaker 7: on anybody, but I think that you have a great
Speaker 7: understanding asset of what you can expect.
Speaker 2: Out of Tyler Beyadis.
Speaker 7: He is a free agent though, understand that, That's what
Speaker 7: I'm saying, So you have a choice to retain him
Speaker 7: or not. But if you can find somebody that's an
Speaker 7: upgrade to that position, I would love to see you
Speaker 7: find a successor to Tyrann and find a replacement for Tyler.
Speaker 2: Thank you for what you've done. You've done a good job.
Speaker 7: But I would like to see somebody who's bigger, more physical,
Speaker 7: more dominant at the center of your offensive line, somebody
Speaker 7: who touches the ball every time I want to complete
Speaker 7: just pitbull.
Speaker 6: What about when you talk about that, what about the
Speaker 6: idea that you know you bring in this young center
Speaker 6: who I guess, I guess you could say take him
Speaker 6: in the first round, second or whatever you bring him in.
Speaker 6: What about the knowledge you know? I kind of feel
Speaker 6: like that position there's so much going on, you have
Speaker 6: to know so much about the game. Bringing in a
Speaker 6: young guy from college the growing pains that you have
Speaker 6: to go.
Speaker 7: I would much rather bring in a first round left
Speaker 7: tackle than bring in a veteran center if I had
Speaker 7: the choice, I got you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well your left tackle of the future too, because
Speaker 4: you could either move Tyler Smith out to left tackle
Speaker 4: or you could keep him at guard.
Speaker 2: Where he's been very successful.
Speaker 4: And you throw a guy out of the left tackle
Speaker 4: that you trust, and then you've got those two guys
Speaker 4: for a significant amount of time, and.
Speaker 6: Then you hope that they can stay healthy and you
Speaker 6: could get at least four of them. Yeah, I feel
Speaker 6: like asking for five is too much, but at least
Speaker 6: four guys that are going to be constantly there week
Speaker 6: after week and kind of build around that. But I
Speaker 6: do like that idea though, when you say about the
Speaker 6: veteran center position, because like I said, like, yeah, it's
Speaker 6: great to have.
Speaker 5: Man, I'm trying to.
Speaker 6: Think of who was the one that, like everybody loved
Speaker 6: was a Tyler Linderbaum.
Speaker 5: Yeah, is he a center?
Speaker 6: Yeah, like a guy like that that instantly comes everyone that, Yeah,
Speaker 6: you like love him in that and he going in
Speaker 6: the first He went in.
Speaker 2: The first, in the first round. Yes, he was playing
Speaker 2: this past weekend with more Ravens.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but but you said, though, like number one rushing
Speaker 6: team in the country first round.
Speaker 2: Didn't they pick up another office lineman that same year? Probably?
Speaker 4: Yeah, the Ravens are an incredible drafting class. I can
Speaker 4: give you an actual answer there.
Speaker 2: But I think they picked up some I remember them
Speaker 2: drafting like a giant office lineman. I mean I think
Speaker 2: it was. I don't know if it was last year.
Speaker 2: I feel like that's what the Ravens do. Yeah, that's
Speaker 2: just what they do. Uh.
Speaker 4: With that being said, though you're talking about not watching
Speaker 4: these practices, you may want to watch these practices. There's
Speaker 4: about four or five individuals, Isaiah, that are offensive linemen
Speaker 4: that are legitimate players that the Cowboys could draft at
Speaker 4: twenty four.
Speaker 2: Yeah, legitimate offensive lineman. Tyler gotten out of Oklahoma. You've
Speaker 2: got the Arizona offensive tackle. You've got Uh.
Speaker 4: There's another Oregon center that's really good, Jackson Powers. Johnson Dude,
Speaker 4: he's a dude.
Speaker 2: I promise. I know he's he played for the wrong team,
Speaker 2: but he's a good player.
Speaker 5: He's isaiahs board.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's done.
Speaker 6: I do I do enjoy reading about the draft, like
Speaker 6: at the Athletic Daan Brugler. I believe he's the best
Speaker 6: in the business, and I love reading he's obviously out
Speaker 6: at Senior Pool. I love reading his stuff and h
Speaker 6: and the takeaways people have for being out there. I
Speaker 6: just I'm not one of these guys like sit in
Speaker 6: the stands with a Stopwatch and that.
Speaker 2: I love that stuff. If I could be in Mobile
Speaker 2: right now.
Speaker 4: I would totally be in Mobile right now. I usually go,
Speaker 4: but we've got triplets on the way, so I will say, like,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna stay put this offseason.
Speaker 2: Next year, I will be back in Mobile.
Speaker 5: That's probably smart.
Speaker 6: This past year, though, I did enjoy going on Saturday
Speaker 6: at the Combine to watch the wide receivers run the forties.
Speaker 8: Like.
Speaker 6: I enjoyed that because you know who all these top
Speaker 6: receivers are.
Speaker 5: You saw most of them in college. And I'll probably
Speaker 5: do that again at the.
Speaker 4: It was the first year they led us actually in
Speaker 4: the building to watch it too, which was really cool.
Speaker 6: So yeah, I'll see there's I heard there's a good
Speaker 6: wide receiver from Washington there.
Speaker 4: I'll tell my know, a couple of guys. Yeah, a
Speaker 4: couple guys there. It's a pretty decent quarterback coming out
Speaker 4: of the last two.
Speaker 2: Good memory.
Speaker 4: By the way, Daniel Filelly from Minnesota six foot eight,
Speaker 4: three eighty five pounds is who they drafted that same
Speaker 4: year they took Tyler Linderbaum in the first They took
Speaker 4: him a little bit later on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, good one.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was the third, third or second tallest player
Speaker 4: and the largest.
Speaker 2: Player in terms of weight shit in the draft. So
Speaker 2: he was very, very very high in that regard.
Speaker 4: Let's get a little bit of news and notes, John,
Speaker 4: There's a couple little nuggets from.
Speaker 2: This past week that Cowboys fans would find interesting. Yeah.
Speaker 6: I think the biggest one by far, and it's actually two,
Speaker 6: is just who are the new offensive and defensive coordinators
Speaker 6: for the Philadelphia Eagles. I mean, for offensive coordinator would
Speaker 6: be Kellen Moore to come over from the Chargers. And
Speaker 6: I did find it entertaining, and as I reached out
Speaker 6: to a few other colleagues that work in the NFL.
Speaker 6: How Cowboys fans on Twitter reacted to the Kellen Moore
Speaker 6: news like happy that that happens. I'm just like, huh,
Speaker 6: careful what you wish for with that one there? What
Speaker 6: did you guys think about that? I was kind of surprised.
Speaker 4: I was shocked too one because of the style of
Speaker 4: play that they seemingly want to play with running the
Speaker 4: football and using Jalen Hurts as a runner.
Speaker 2: It just doesn't feel like they lined up well with Kellen.
Speaker 2: But I agree with you.
Speaker 4: I'm surprised in the fact that everybody's happy that he's
Speaker 4: going to Philadelphia, in the fact that he's a good
Speaker 4: offensive coordinator.
Speaker 2: He had an okay year in LA.
Speaker 4: I mean, we just talked about how he had the
Speaker 4: top offense in Dallas multiple years, even though they couldn't
Speaker 4: run the football from twenty twenty forward. But this is
Speaker 4: a team that has a ton of prospects. They have
Speaker 4: a ton of weapons, and he's going to find a
Speaker 4: way to utilize those weapons.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't like him being a Philly I don't
Speaker 7: like I don't know why people would be happy. I
Speaker 7: don't know what people are leaning on as if it's
Speaker 7: a good thing that you're going to see him twice
Speaker 7: a year.
Speaker 2: Kellen Moore is a dude. He's a dude.
Speaker 7: Is are things that he needs to continue to develop
Speaker 7: and change about his offensive play, you know, calling style.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, He's still not perfect.
Speaker 4: He's not perfect. He's still a young Officer of Coordinator.
Speaker 4: I mean, Andy Reid's been around league one hundred seventy
Speaker 4: two years, so I mean he's a Jedi.
Speaker 2: I think it was seventy three. Yeah, sorry, mister year. Yeah.
Speaker 4: But Kellen Moore is still young. I mean, what is
Speaker 4: he He's in his thirties, right, yeah, yeah, like mid thirties.
Speaker 2: Maybe, I think so. Yeah, So, like he's.
Speaker 4: Still learning a lot about the game and a lot
Speaker 4: of a lot about himself and tendencies and all that jazz.
Speaker 2: But you give somebody weapons. We've seen what Kellen Moore is.
Speaker 2: Twenty nine. Yeah, I'm just kidding. Yeah, he's thirty five. Yeah,
Speaker 2: thirty five is crazy, you know. I mean he's on
Speaker 2: his third third job.
Speaker 4: Yeah, as a third OC job, third OC job with
Speaker 4: three solid teams and three solid quarterbacks. Themount of experience
Speaker 4: that he's herbert to hurt, the amount of experience that
Speaker 4: he's gathered and where he's going to be eventually is
Speaker 4: going to be.
Speaker 2: A problem in this league.
Speaker 7: So Cowboys Nation, I'm not sure why you would be
Speaker 7: happy that you have to face this man with those
Speaker 7: weapons twice a year, because he's never failed anybody in
Speaker 7: regards of getting his playmakers at ball like he does.
Speaker 2: That in the running game.
Speaker 7: That just a lot of that comes in a form
Speaker 7: of yes, your approach, But if he has a solid
Speaker 7: office on line coach, that fixes that problem right there.
Speaker 7: So that's kind of a scary thing with him with
Speaker 7: those with those weapons.
Speaker 6: He just part of a Cowboys offense that the team
Speaker 6: ultimately came up short of where a lot of people
Speaker 6: thought they should go. And so what happens is then
Speaker 6: you become kind of a scapegoat. And that's what happened
Speaker 6: with him. Was he the best offensive coordinat in nater
Speaker 6: in league, No, but he gets far too much blame
Speaker 6: than he probably deserved for them coming up short. And
Speaker 6: then you see, like what happens this year and it's
Speaker 6: not really that much different in terms of the results
Speaker 6: of the season. I'm not saying the offense was the same,
Speaker 6: but the results of the season aren't that much different.
Speaker 6: And it kind of makes you go like, Okay, well,
Speaker 6: sometimes at the end of the day, kind of comes
Speaker 6: down to the players too. You know, you can put
Speaker 6: them in positions they also have to execute.
Speaker 2: The lead a horse to a while, but I can't
Speaker 2: make a drink, right.
Speaker 7: So yeah, he's a dude, and I'm not sure why
Speaker 7: he gets that flag.
Speaker 2: Outside of Dallas, well, there.
Speaker 4: Was frustration at the end of his tenure here, and
Speaker 4: there was a lack of growth. I think when he
Speaker 4: was hired as the offensive coordator in twenty nineteen, you
Speaker 4: expected to see him take steps forward and instead he
Speaker 4: kind of plateaued in Dallas specifically, and he got a
Speaker 4: chance with La. La had a lot more problems than
Speaker 4: just Kellen Moore. That was not all on Kellen Moore.
Speaker 4: With the Chargers, they changed coaching staves, and of course
Speaker 4: whenever you change stabs, you change from.
Speaker 2: Top to bottom.
Speaker 4: And so he now gets a second opportunity, and of
Speaker 4: course Philadelphia Nick Sirianni thought, hey, he's done enough in
Speaker 4: our eyes to go and give him this position, to
Speaker 4: give him an offensive coordinator role and a team that
Speaker 4: is desperate, just like Dallas is, to get back to
Speaker 4: where they once were. Sure they've been there more recently,
Speaker 4: but they certainly were talking about Nick Sirianni's job and
Speaker 4: his secure already going into it. He's not going to
Speaker 4: hire just any coordinator on the street. No, He's not
Speaker 4: hiring guys that he doesn't trust. His job is certainly
Speaker 4: on the line going into this year. So yeah, there's
Speaker 4: a lot of trust around the league and Kellen Moore.
Speaker 4: And while there was some frustration with Dallas and the
Speaker 4: way the things ended, he had a lot of good
Speaker 4: runs here. He had a lot of good teams and
Speaker 4: some players here that that worked out well, just didn't
Speaker 4: have the playoff success that you wanted.
Speaker 6: I'm just always interested when a guys respected more within
Speaker 6: the league than maybe by fans. Sure, so that he
Speaker 6: certainly seems to be the case.
Speaker 2: There a lot of guys like that.
Speaker 4: But there's also a lot of guys that are reversed
Speaker 4: like that, that are respected by fans.
Speaker 2: And not so much within inner circles inside the league.
Speaker 6: So they also made a change of defensive coordinator in
Speaker 6: Philadelphia and now they have Vic Fangio.
Speaker 2: I know you would you would have something to say about.
Speaker 6: So I feel like they're kind of getting two coordinators
Speaker 6: that are, I mean, if any as interesting as it
Speaker 6: is for the Philadelphia Eagles and their fan base. The
Speaker 6: other part is that's it's a fat They're both fascinating
Speaker 6: hires from a Cowboys fan standpoint, because you were very
Speaker 6: familiar with both both of these coordinators do. Here's not
Speaker 6: a lot of gray area there. So what were your
Speaker 6: thoughts on Big Fangio going to the Eagles.
Speaker 4: I didn't have a lot of thoughts in regards to that.
Speaker 4: I thought it was kind of weird how he got
Speaker 4: out of Miami. Yeah, I wasn't sure if that was
Speaker 4: like a head notlge.
Speaker 5: He might have family.
Speaker 7: He has family there, but I'm not sure if that
Speaker 7: was Miami saying okay, yes, like we respect you enough
Speaker 7: to go home, Go go be with your family, or
Speaker 7: if that was like, yeah, things weren't really going that
Speaker 7: well anyways.
Speaker 2: Like okay, go be with your family. You know. So
Speaker 2: I'm not sure how that went down, but it doesn't
Speaker 2: really matter.
Speaker 4: He's I don't think it was a Wink Martin Dale
Speaker 4: situation where they just out the head coach.
Speaker 6: And stormed out of them, so that maybe it was
Speaker 6: more like a Calim Morton Dallas one where maybe him
Speaker 6: and Mike got together and we're like, hey, ultimately it's
Speaker 6: probably better we go.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm not sure. I don't know he had many
Speaker 7: thoughts on the Big Fangio. I think he's obviously he's
Speaker 7: a veteran, the deepest coordinator in this league. He's had
Speaker 7: a lot of success.
Speaker 2: Tom. It really comes down to the weapons, and they
Speaker 2: have a lot of them.
Speaker 7: So again that's that's somebody who has a lot of knowledge,
Speaker 7: somebody who's very creative. I think offensive coordinator and defensive
Speaker 7: coordinator are both creative now for Philadelphia, and they have
Speaker 7: the talent. Anytime, you can take somebody who can who
Speaker 7: whose entire job is putting guys in position to be successful,
Speaker 7: and their creative as all get out, and they have
Speaker 7: the talent to do so it's dangerous.
Speaker 6: When you say that though, I guess I don't know.
Speaker 6: I guess I don't I think they're talented. I don't
Speaker 6: think they're really that.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 6: Like I look at their front in Philadelphia, Yeah, I
Speaker 6: don't look at that back end.
Speaker 2: As absolutely they need work. The secondaries work, yeah, I mean,
Speaker 2: but that's one position.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So when you go into a draft or you go
Speaker 2: into an off season, you like their linebackers. Uh, linebackers
Speaker 2: aren't terrible.
Speaker 5: Line beggers are terrible, but yeah, the d line, I.
Speaker 2: Guess linebackers don't have to be amazing when you have
Speaker 2: that defensive line. Yeah.
Speaker 7: So I mean when you go into an off season
Speaker 7: needing a position group that you need to upgrade. That
Speaker 7: makes it so much easier. Yeah, so I mean like
Speaker 7: that stuff that that stuff to me is like they
Speaker 7: got draft picks and then we know that they know
Speaker 7: how to fan dangle a dog on roster, so that's
Speaker 7: not an issue. They never had an issue with that.
Speaker 7: So if they know that they have a weakness, they're
Speaker 7: going to address it.
Speaker 4: He was a consultant with Philadelphia back in twenty twenty two,
Speaker 4: so just remember that. So the year that they went
Speaker 4: to the Super Bowl, he was a consultant. He was
Speaker 4: in the building year. It is interesting how, like you said, John,
Speaker 4: and I completely agree with you, how there is a
Speaker 4: Cowboys connection, but it's really from one game. I mean,
Speaker 4: he's been around the league as a defensive coordinator since
Speaker 4: nineteen ninety five. He's been almost every spot in the
Speaker 4: AFC and the NFC doesn't really matter.
Speaker 2: He's been all over the place.
Speaker 4: But it's that one game thirty to sixteen and twenty
Speaker 4: twenty one, when the Denver Broncos came in, he was
Speaker 4: a head coach and they had the blueprint is what
Speaker 4: they called it. And from that point forward he's latched
Speaker 4: on to Cowboys fans as the guy who.
Speaker 2: Came up with the blueprint.
Speaker 4: And pretty much derailed a crazy how one moment change
Speaker 4: your future?
Speaker 2: Huh Yeah.
Speaker 6: I always think of it with the Cowboys, just because
Speaker 6: I remember when he was in Chicago for a few
Speaker 6: years there. It's like he was the DC and Mike McCarthy,
Speaker 6: who was calling the offense the Packers, and so they
Speaker 6: had some there's some familiarity there and so that's why
Speaker 6: they know each other. But then again, when you've coached
Speaker 6: as long as Mike McCarthy, there's gonna be a lot
Speaker 6: of connections.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 4: He was a DC from twenty fifteen to twenty eighteen
Speaker 4: before taking the Broncos job in twenty nineteen in Chicago.
Speaker 2: By the way, DC in Chicago.
Speaker 6: Other thing I want to get to, we've got some
Speaker 6: additions to the Pro Bowl for the Cowboys.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about that when we come back. Okays, do that.
Speaker 4: Let's take a break real quick, and when we come back,
Speaker 4: let's talk about the Pro Bowl and then also.
Speaker 2: What's happening with dan Quinn? What is next for dan Quinn.
Speaker 4: There's been a bit of pause on the Seahawks side
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Speaker 2: Isaiah No Dan.
Speaker 7: By the time I'm able to get here, they shut
Speaker 7: down breakfast earlier.
Speaker 2: I can't. I have to have a job, Kyle, you
Speaker 2: were here early all season.
Speaker 7: I know that's when the Cowboys actually wanted to pay me.
Speaker 7: So now the Cowboys don't work no more.
Speaker 2: Should should I stop asking?
Speaker 4: Then?
Speaker 2: Should I stop asking about the oats?
Speaker 11: No?
Speaker 2: Maybe until next.
Speaker 7: Year, I don't know. Maybe beam Urtle start sending me
Speaker 7: aside some oats. You're going to get a microwave in.
Speaker 5: There, save save.
Speaker 7: Don't have cold oats, man, I'm not a cold olds guy.
Speaker 7: Some people like to put their oats in it in
Speaker 7: the refrigerator overnight.
Speaker 2: Pretty sure that those are fire though different. That's overnight oats.
Speaker 2: That's completely different. Not an overnight. Only thing I'm eating
Speaker 2: overnight is going to be pizza. So that's the only thing.
Speaker 2: Like if you leave it out, hmm, that sounds good
Speaker 2: to me, to be honest. Cold pizza, and I like
Speaker 2: cold pizza once in a while, but.
Speaker 5: There's really not bad pizza.
Speaker 2: Where do you put your pizza at where? Yeah?
Speaker 7: Like if you order pizza at night, right, most people do,
Speaker 7: Okay the next day, Like where are you pulling the
Speaker 7: pizza from? Are you pulling it from the refrigerator, pulling
Speaker 7: it in front of microwavedge?
Speaker 6: But I know people put in the oven, but I'm
Speaker 6: a fridge guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I put it in tenfoil so it doesn't take it
Speaker 4: up like a whole like tupperware or whatever. You put
Speaker 4: it in ten foil and you slide it in there
Speaker 4: and it doesn't take up a whole lot of room.
Speaker 2: You pull it right back out. Your question was to
Speaker 2: ask the fans where do you put your pizza? Where
Speaker 2: do you put your pizza? We don't have the tail.
Speaker 4: You don't put it in the fridge sometimes, okay, but
Speaker 4: it makes it really like hard and you have to
Speaker 4: put it in the Yeah, you have to put it
Speaker 4: in the what do.
Speaker 2: You call it, the regular oven, the air fire.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you gotta put in the air fier to get
Speaker 4: the chiefezza in the air fra.
Speaker 5: I've never done that.
Speaker 2: Man. My wife makes these kids pizzas bougie. That sounds awesome, honestly,
Speaker 2: does it actually like it revives it? Okay?
Speaker 4: Just by the way, we were talking in the last
Speaker 4: segment about veteran offensive linemen that are available. Oh yeah,
Speaker 4: free agents, I went on. I just did a geneneric
Speaker 4: search and it took me to PFF Pro Football Focus,
Speaker 4: and I haven't done a deep dive in veteran free
Speaker 4: agents or anything yet, but they're top rated center on
Speaker 4: the offensive line market this year.
Speaker 2: Would you like to take a guest?
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, no, I already know for you to bring
Speaker 5: this up.
Speaker 2: Connor Williams Miami Dolphins.
Speaker 4: That is your top rated center right now, according to
Speaker 4: Pro Football Focus, as your best veteran that you could
Speaker 4: bring in.
Speaker 5: Where is the Cowboys center on that list?
Speaker 2: Not above Connor Williams.
Speaker 4: Apparently you thought I was gonna say Tyler, because I did.
Speaker 4: The next one is Andre James Las Vegas Raiders and
Speaker 4: might be a decent fit.
Speaker 2: I'll get back to you.
Speaker 6: Always forget that they move Connor Williams the center because
Speaker 6: he didn't get I want to say when he signed,
Speaker 6: he was signed to play guard and then like maybe
Speaker 6: camp they went through. Maybe it was first couple weeks
Speaker 6: of came They're like, no, I think it's a better
Speaker 6: at center.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Lloyd Cushion Berry from the Denver Broncos.
Speaker 4: I liked him out of Oklahoma whenever he came out
Speaker 4: of the draft.
Speaker 2: That would be a fun ad.
Speaker 4: I'm looking for Tyler Biattish and I'm still scrolling. I'm
Speaker 4: in the sixties now.
Speaker 2: Still, there's no way he's in the sick unless I
Speaker 2: missed the murders. Is possible to be in a top
Speaker 2: thirty two.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's gonna be what. He's good enough to be
Speaker 5: a starting center.
Speaker 2: Cal They have him at ninety three overall.
Speaker 5: Yea, of all of the positions, he's like of centers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, not of all positions. He is number ninety three.
Speaker 2: Is the top free agents in the NFL this.
Speaker 6: Year, judging by hat Cowboys have done business recently. That's
Speaker 6: bragging Beeer Center. They'll probably get him for an affordable
Speaker 6: price and they'll be like, this is a better option
Speaker 6: because he's been in the building than bringing somebody else.
Speaker 6: I'm not saying that's what I would do. I'm not
Speaker 6: saying that's what Isaiah would do.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying I would do, or what the fans
Speaker 2: would do, or But what I'm.
Speaker 6: Saying I just you follow the breadcrumbs of how things
Speaker 6: have gone.
Speaker 5: Sure that would not surprise me.
Speaker 4: I think the way that Tyler Battish's situation happens this
Speaker 4: year is going to tell you a lot about how
Speaker 4: this offseason is going to go. That one specific player
Speaker 4: might be a microcosm of what everything else is going
Speaker 4: to look like. Because if you keep your coaching staff
Speaker 4: and you keep your players the same, how do you
Speaker 4: expect the running back.
Speaker 2: And go into twenty twenty four and have better success.
Speaker 2: You're going to keep your coaching staff. Oh, they already
Speaker 2: have Mike McCarthy.
Speaker 4: I mean, we'll talk about Dan Quinn at all, but
Speaker 4: Mike McCarthy is still here.
Speaker 2: He is when I'm saying, your coaching staff, that's what
Speaker 2: it is.
Speaker 4: And you might keep your defensive coordinator too, But if
Speaker 4: if you don't change anything from a coaching staff standpoint,
Speaker 4: how are you going to get better? If you expect
Speaker 4: to just run it back and for things to stay
Speaker 4: the same. If they go out and they resign to
Speaker 4: Tyler Biottish, that's saying, Okay, it's the same thing as
Speaker 4: like you said in the past, it's we like our guys,
Speaker 4: We would like to keep our guys. We want to
Speaker 4: keep moving forward and building whatever we have here. Whereas
Speaker 4: if you let Tyler Biottish go and you're aggressive and
Speaker 4: adding a free agent or going out and drafting or
Speaker 4: whatever it ends up being on the offensive front, I
Speaker 4: think it's a completely different mindset.
Speaker 7: Maybe whatever happened to evolution, Kyle, you say a guys
Speaker 7: can't get better, they.
Speaker 2: Can get better. Gosh, they certainly can.
Speaker 5: I don't think fans aren't want to wait for that note.
Speaker 2: Wants to wait and watch it get better. They want
Speaker 2: to be aggressive.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And I think part of that could be I'm
Speaker 6: not saying they would do two moves like they did
Speaker 6: last year, but why not kick the tires on doing
Speaker 6: another one of those Gilmore type Brandon Cook's trades. Yeah,
Speaker 6: where you.
Speaker 5: Bring in a veteran who you know.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you're gonna give up a late round pick, but
Speaker 6: it helps you immediately and The reason why I think
Speaker 6: that could be a factor again is because you would
Speaker 6: only back away from that thinking if it bit you.
Speaker 6: And I think they got good return on the investment.
Speaker 6: And so that's why I could see them being more
Speaker 6: willing to do more of that, because that's not act
Speaker 6: like they always were doing that, like I mean just
Speaker 6: covering the Cowboys for thirteen years. Like when they did
Speaker 6: those moves last year, which again those were in whatever
Speaker 6: March April ish that time of year, that kind of
Speaker 6: surprised me that they did it. So I could see
Speaker 6: them potentially going down that road again. But yeah, I
Speaker 6: don't think you can just keep the exact same roster
Speaker 6: and think you're just going to run it back that way.
Speaker 6: There has to be some type of changes on this roster.
Speaker 4: All right, Speaking of changes on the roster, we mentioned
Speaker 4: Dan Quinn, but you had one other news and note
Speaker 4: that you wanted to get to in terms of changes
Speaker 4: on the Pro Bowl roster.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's that was very professional. I was very that
Speaker 5: was impressive. How you did.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 6: Yes, three editions from the Cowboys to the Pro Bowl roster.
Speaker 6: I no one was excited about this. DeMarcus Lawrence has
Speaker 6: been added Jake Ferguson has been added and Tyler Smith.
Speaker 2: So, hey, Tyler, Tyler.
Speaker 6: Tyler Smith is replacing Zach Martin, who is not going
Speaker 6: to compete in it. Tmarcus Lawrence is replacing Nick Bosa,
Speaker 6: who'll be playing in the Super Bowl. And DeMarcus said
Speaker 6: that this would happen, you know, he said it as
Speaker 6: locker he goes when he didn't get originally picked for
Speaker 6: the Pro Bowl. I asked him if it bothered him,
Speaker 6: and he said, you know, he had a longer answer,
Speaker 6: but in it he said that, well, it's probably gonna
Speaker 6: be me or Bosa.
Speaker 5: Because Bosa's in it right now.
Speaker 6: If his team goes Super Bowl, then he's going to
Speaker 6: be in it. But if we go to the super Bowl,
Speaker 6: then I don't care because I would rather be playing
Speaker 6: in the Super Bowl than go to the Pro Bowl.
Speaker 6: So with Bosa going to the super Bowl, he's out.
Speaker 6: And then also Jake Ferguson gets in because George Kittle
Speaker 6: is going to the Super Bowl. So while now the
Speaker 6: Cowboys technically have ten Pro Bowlers, they would obviously like
Speaker 6: to have none. And I'll be playing in two weeks.
Speaker 4: I mean, that's the general thought is it's nice to
Speaker 4: see the recognition, but it also didn't turn into a
Speaker 4: Super Bowl trip, and that's kind of what you wanted
Speaker 4: to happen. But yeah, speak congratulations all those guys though.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and it speaks for the talent that you have
Speaker 6: on the team. Like anybody that sits there and says
Speaker 6: that this was not a talented roster, I just I
Speaker 6: completely disagree.
Speaker 7: With I totally agree with you, John. I think people
Speaker 7: are crazy everybody calling for double J and oh you
Speaker 7: need to get out, And I'm like, what's your job
Speaker 7: as a general manager again, like build a roster, build
Speaker 7: a roster, build a coaching staff, put your team in.
Speaker 2: A position to be successful. I think they've done a
Speaker 2: pretty good job of that.
Speaker 7: Yeah, so I'm not really sure what else you can
Speaker 7: expect there, buddy, Opoell.
Speaker 6: No, only only other part of that, if I'm speaking
Speaker 6: for the fans right now, I would say is they
Speaker 6: would probably be fine with maybe less times talking to
Speaker 6: myself and others.
Speaker 5: In the media and maybe, but he's the brand. I
Speaker 5: get that.
Speaker 6: But some people think the brand is what's getting in
Speaker 6: the way, And it's kind of hard to argue. Every
Speaker 6: year that goes by, you don't get back there. You
Speaker 6: can argue that that we can't have these.
Speaker 4: Sor yeah, at the beginning of the show, it's like,
Speaker 4: I'm not interested in on.
Speaker 2: The offensive Lineman's anybody to.
Speaker 6: Give him a TV like that shouldn't be let's talk
Speaker 6: it on and that he can just I.
Speaker 2: Don't think the NFL would mind. That's just extra viewership
Speaker 2: for them, right, That's all it would be. Uh. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I think this roster was good enough. That's part of
Speaker 2: the frustration.
Speaker 4: Yes, the roster was good enough to be in the mix,
Speaker 4: to be in the conversation, and ultimately it wasn't good
Speaker 4: enough to get the job done.
Speaker 2: So where does that that blame start. I think a
Speaker 2: lot of it.
Speaker 4: It goes to your coaching staff, and it goes to
Speaker 4: the preparation in the mindset of the players, and you
Speaker 4: try and point fingers wherever you can. But this raw
Speaker 4: was good and you can make it better, no doubt.
Speaker 4: There are weaknesses, just like any other team. Their weakness
Speaker 4: is up on that roster, and part of it is
Speaker 4: running the football. Part of it is in linebacker roles. Yeah,
Speaker 4: stop and a run. Yeah, there's got to win the trenches. So,
Speaker 4: speaking of dan Quinn has still not been hired yet
Speaker 4: as a head coach John Machoda, have you heard anythings
Speaker 4: specifically on dan and what that process has looked like.
Speaker 2: Over the last couple of weeks.
Speaker 6: Well, I mean, he's obviously interviewed with the Seahawks multiple times.
Speaker 6: I mean, he's been the guy that people have talked
Speaker 6: about for a long time. Now is like, well, this
Speaker 6: is the obvious guy that they're going to hire, and.
Speaker 2: They also have Rahey Morrison.
Speaker 6: That conversation true, and he's now longer available. So it's
Speaker 6: one of those things where it comes down to, Okay,
Speaker 6: well there's only two jobs open right now, it's Seattle
Speaker 6: in Washington, and so many people have.
Speaker 5: Thought that, yeah, Dan ca I mean, not Dankie.
Speaker 6: I'm sorry, Dan Quinn is going to get the Seattle job,
Speaker 6: and then Ben Jhonson, the OC from the Lions, is
Speaker 6: going to get the Washington job. But then yesterday ESPN's
Speaker 6: Adam Schefter said that I can't remember how he worded it.
Speaker 5: I was looking it up.
Speaker 6: I can't find it exactly always said, but it was
Speaker 6: basically like, yeah, don't expect both of those those both
Speaker 6: are not happy are not going to happen, and I
Speaker 6: wouldn't be surprised if like neither of them happen, which
Speaker 6: would be stunning to both. I mean, because it's been
Speaker 6: like this foregone conclusion for weeks now that dan Quinn's
Speaker 6: going to get the cl job, Ben Jonson is going
Speaker 6: to get the Washington job, and so there's obviously some
Speaker 6: other candidates that all these teams are still interviewing.
Speaker 5: I still would have dan Quinn as.
Speaker 6: The leader in the clubhouse, though, I mean, if you had,
Speaker 6: if you were betting money on it, I would say
Speaker 6: that I still think that he's going to be Seattle's
Speaker 6: head coach.
Speaker 5: But would you feel like to be taking so long though?
Speaker 4: I mean a lot of teams want to just do
Speaker 4: their due diligence and really put together a research panel.
Speaker 2: But I mean, why why is it taken so long? Yeah?
Speaker 7: I've always found that if teams were taking this long
Speaker 7: to make a hired, that they're waiting on the teams
Speaker 7: that are actually in the play offs to finish. That's
Speaker 7: what I've always seen, whether that all was true or.
Speaker 2: Got two teams left. So there's two teams left, I
Speaker 2: mean both, you know, a couple of teams just finished.
Speaker 5: Up, right, so they're waiting on Reid.
Speaker 7: I mean no, I mean, but like Aarin Glynn was
Speaker 7: in that conversation of some coaches right for potential head
Speaker 7: coaching opportunities. So I'm sure they wanted opportunity to speak
Speaker 7: with him. He just finished up but two days ago.
Speaker 7: So they now have opportunity to speak with, you know,
Speaker 7: Baltimore's staff, and they have opportunity to speak with Detroit staff.
Speaker 2: So if there were guys that you had on your list,
Speaker 2: Mike McDonald, like McDonald's a big name.
Speaker 7: If there are guys that you had on your list
Speaker 7: that are now available for you to speak and meet with,
Speaker 7: then you want to give them that opportunity. You don't
Speaker 7: want to jump the gun, even though I say, hey,
Speaker 7: you know, I'm I'm you know, eighty percent sure that
Speaker 7: I'm probably going to go with Kyle. But you know what,
Speaker 7: Jam's over there, he just finished at the playoffs.
Speaker 2: At least let me let me at least talk with
Speaker 2: him for a second, just in case.
Speaker 7: It's a good idea, you know, it's a good idea,
Speaker 7: just to talk him just in case, just to you know,
Speaker 7: confirm or deny, you know, my my initial thoughts.
Speaker 2: So I think that there's that's probably what they're going through.
Speaker 7: They just want to give their respect to those guys
Speaker 7: and give themselves the open mindedness to be able to
Speaker 7: at least speak with those those guys and give them
Speaker 7: a their due due process.
Speaker 5: So this is the exact quote from Schefter.
Speaker 6: He was on with Pat McFee and said, people have
Speaker 6: said that Ben Johnson is going to Washington and dan
Speaker 6: Quinn is going to Seattle. I will bet you that
Speaker 6: at a minimum one of those is not right, and
Speaker 6: maybe both.
Speaker 2: So wow, good to not.
Speaker 6: I know people in he try would be very surprised
Speaker 6: if Ben Johnson doesn't get one of these head coaching jobs.
Speaker 6: So I just he has been the favorite for that
Speaker 6: Washington job.
Speaker 5: This goes back.
Speaker 6: This is going on the last month and the dan
Speaker 6: Quinn thing. Ever since Pete Carroll said that he was
Speaker 6: oh they parted ways whatever, he has been the favorite
Speaker 6: for that job.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's that blows my mind.
Speaker 7: Obviously being a Seattle guy, that really blows my mind.
Speaker 7: As Seattle hasn't pulled the trigger. And I don't know
Speaker 7: how much that last game played a role in it.
Speaker 7: I honestly think just knowing how Snyder moves that the
Speaker 7: guy that he really wants, that he really wants is
Speaker 7: probably still coaching.
Speaker 2: Yeah, still going.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I would put them in.
Speaker 6: They're probably my top five top seven best run organizations
Speaker 6: in the NFL.
Speaker 5: So this isn't like this is uh.
Speaker 6: You know, well, I'm not going to name any names,
Speaker 6: but there's some organizations where you just feel like every
Speaker 6: year they're looking for a new head coach. Every year
Speaker 6: there's like a different direction they're going in draft whatever.
Speaker 5: Seattle's not like that.
Speaker 2: Nope, So they'll won't turn over.
Speaker 14: Yeah, they've got a pretty good idea of where they're headed.
Speaker 14: They've hit our coaches and alas thirty Yeah, yeah, all right,
Speaker 14: let's take our second break. When we come back, we're
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Speaker 4: We welcome in from Mobil, Alabama, live from Senior Bull Practice.
Speaker 4: Our very own Nick Harris on the line, Nick, what's
Speaker 4: going on, bud Oh.
Speaker 15: Not too much. What's going on till his beautiful weather
Speaker 15: down here in Mobile? Missing you guys though, Hate that
Speaker 15: I had to miss the one show of the week.
Speaker 15: But it's all right. We'll get it back next week.
Speaker 4: We'll bounce back next week in a big way. Who
Speaker 4: has caught your eye? John Michoda asked that in the break,
Speaker 4: I want to ask it straight up, who's really turning
Speaker 4: heads out there in Mobile.
Speaker 15: Yeah, I'll give you a little teaser and then dive
Speaker 15: into it a little bit more in the Draft show
Speaker 15: here in about an hour. But so far, Oregon sitter
Speaker 15: Jackson Powers Johnson. I know that's a guy that a
Speaker 15: lot of Cowboys fans are looking at, and he's seen
Speaker 15: his stuck rise pretty quickly over the course of the
Speaker 15: last couple of weeks. I mean, we're looking at him
Speaker 15: as potentially a late second round pick a couple of
Speaker 15: weeks ago, and now he's starting to get mocked in
Speaker 15: the top twenty seven. He's only improving his stag by
Speaker 15: being out here. So far, it's been pretty good. He's
Speaker 15: with the center and right guard. But we're only in
Speaker 15: about the first hour of the first team practicing today.
Speaker 15: So it hasn't been too much that we've been able
Speaker 15: to see, but getting an opportunity to look at Arizona
Speaker 15: tackle Geordie Morgan as well. That's another one that's been
Speaker 15: matched to the Cowboys by some various website. So definitely
Speaker 15: wanted to keep an eye on. But this week it's
Speaker 15: gonna be fun to guard.
Speaker 4: It's gonna be tough to see linebackers outside of reeds
Speaker 4: and thumping up and just some of those things throughout
Speaker 4: a week. But has any of these linebackers stood out?
Speaker 4: Because if Dallas doesn't go offensive line in the first round,
Speaker 4: they may be looking at that second level in the
Speaker 4: first or second round either.
Speaker 15: Yeah, Kyle, you know, I like North Carolina State linebacker
Speaker 15: Peyton Wilson, and he looks apart. He does not look
Speaker 15: like a guy that's had two knee surgeries. Whenever he
Speaker 15: moves around, I mean, he's really agile, he moves great.
Speaker 15: And then we're getting an opportunity to look at North
Speaker 15: Carolina linebackers Cedric Graham. Actually watching him go through a
Speaker 15: rep right now, He's looked pretty pretty good. And then
Speaker 15: Notre Dame linebacker Maris luf Out. All three of those
Speaker 15: guys that kind of stood out to me so far
Speaker 15: here in this first record when.
Speaker 6: You obviously you knew for a while that you'd be
Speaker 6: going out there. Well, and let's say you borded your plane,
Speaker 6: what would you say was like a player two that
Speaker 6: you were.
Speaker 5: Most excited about that you would you get to see
Speaker 5: this week?
Speaker 15: Oh, I think Jackson Power Shotson was probably number one
Speaker 15: for me. I wanted to see him, and then getting
Speaker 15: an opportunity to look at the UCLA ed Rusher, love
Speaker 15: to love to He's had a couple of really big
Speaker 15: wins so far here early on, and he's actually a
Speaker 15: little bit leaner than I expected seeing him in person.
Speaker 15: I mean, whatever NFL king grabs him, they'll have that athleticism,
Speaker 15: but then they'll kind of have the flexibility to maybe
Speaker 15: add fifteen or twenty pounds to him as well. I
Speaker 15: think he's a sure fire, you know, top fifteen pick,
Speaker 15: if not top ten. Those are the two guys that
Speaker 15: really stand out, and I really like those G five
Speaker 15: school guys and the Toledo corner Kemon Mitchell and starting
Speaker 15: to get some late first round love. Really excited to
Speaker 15: see him as well. Got an opportunity to kind of
Speaker 15: watch him go to some individual gurnals. So, I mean,
Speaker 15: this game is so talented it'd be tough to wrap
Speaker 15: it all up. And just about thirty second as far
Speaker 15: as the guys that aren't really looking forward to saying,
Speaker 15: but it's been fun so far. And then the boy
Speaker 15: Michael Pennix, I think he's looking he's looking strong so far.
Speaker 2: I was just about to ask that dog already is
Speaker 2: rocking egg gold him and with the de Wians.
Speaker 4: Do you think he would run run better than a
Speaker 4: four point five zero or four point five eight forty?
Speaker 2: You think he's got a better forty than Isaiah? Don't
Speaker 2: just speke money from what I From.
Speaker 15: What I've heard, Michael Pennix is the fastest Washington quarterbacks
Speaker 15: ever go through that program.
Speaker 2: Wow, that is a falsified state. I feel like that's
Speaker 2: I feel like that's easy picking.
Speaker 4: So like shit, I think I would be the fastest
Speaker 4: to go through that program.
Speaker 2: Honestly, this is so false. This is crazy.
Speaker 15: Yeah, untill he goes to the combine, it's gonna be
Speaker 15: bad news for you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, bro, that's okay.
Speaker 4: I just pulled up my my sixty time me and
Speaker 4: Tyreek Hill were in the same time.
Speaker 7: M M okay, all right, how about that, say four
Speaker 7: or five eight to that, buddy, Nick.
Speaker 2: Appreciate you.
Speaker 4: We'll check back in with you, uh later, well Tuesday
Speaker 4: for talking cowboys.
Speaker 2: We'll talk to you on the Draft show here in
Speaker 2: a little bit as well. So abro Hammer, you enjoy yourself,
Speaker 2: You take some good notes.
Speaker 15: Appreciate it. Guys'll hold it down for have.
Speaker 2: Some good seafood while you're out there. Please seafood for me.
Speaker 15: That's a that's a that's a done deal. Oysters are
Speaker 15: already on the docket.
Speaker 4: Yeah, legitimate out there all right, Nick, I have a
Speaker 4: good one.
Speaker 2: So good.
Speaker 4: There's Nick Harris live from Senior Bowl practice in Mobile.
Speaker 2: You're not an oysters guy. Oh come on, John.
Speaker 5: I think I've said this on here before, but I'll
Speaker 5: say it again. I don't eat any seafood.
Speaker 2: That's right. Sorry, you have said that.
Speaker 13: Sorry.
Speaker 6: I was hoping he didn't bring it up because I
Speaker 6: know some people are offended when I say it.
Speaker 5: But yeah, I don't.
Speaker 2: The Oysters and Mobile are solid. They're solid. Okay, we're
Speaker 2: gonna talk about this off here. I don't want to.
Speaker 2: I don't want to gross anybody out on the show.
Speaker 2: That doesn't for us here on Talking Cowboys. I know
Speaker 2: it goes by quick. Come on, man, it goes by
Speaker 2: real quick. Forty five minutes a week. Bro, What that's
Speaker 2: all We've got forty five minutes a week. Don't go
Speaker 2: on it. We'll be back on Tuesday.
Speaker 4: Break it down for you ten am Central Time next Tuesday.
Speaker 4: Nick Harris will be back in the building. John Joda
Speaker 4: will be back in the building. I say a stand back.
Speaker 4: We'll see if he shows up or not. Be out
Speaker 4: at Senior Bowl practice. Here we've got Chris Beam in
Speaker 4: the back for Isaiah Stanbag, Nick carro Us out in
Speaker 4: mobile for Jamachoda. I'm Kyle Yoma saying so long from
Speaker 4: Talking Cowboys.
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