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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. A judge has okayed after a delay

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Speaker 1: earlier this week. Judge is okayed the removal efforts of

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Speaker 1: the Confederate Memorial at Arlington National Cemetery. So they're now

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Speaker 1: in the process. It's supposed to be removed in its

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Speaker 1: entirety by the first of January. So this will happen

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Speaker 1: pretty rapidly. And if you were to go and take

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Speaker 1: a look at what's being said on left wing websites

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Speaker 1: or you know, New York Times wherever they will, they'll

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Speaker 1: tell you that this is a victory over racism and

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Speaker 1: the veneration of fascism and slavery and all this sort

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Speaker 1: of stuff. So I thought, instead of even just in

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Speaker 1: aging in the high level, why are they trying to

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Speaker 1: tear down statues, memorials history and where does this end?

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Speaker 1: Because if any connection of any kind for something to

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Speaker 1: slavery means that it has to be erased and pulled

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Speaker 1: from public display, we're gonna have to figure out what

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Speaker 1: we're gonna call Washington d C. Right, we all understand this.

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Speaker 1: They understand it for sure, and they view this as

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Speaker 1: a weapon to use against the shared sense of culture,

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Speaker 1: history and just understanding of what it is to be

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Speaker 1: an American that we all have today. Right, if you

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Speaker 1: tear away the founding Fathers, the Constitution, if you get

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Speaker 1: rid of all of that, well what's left, well whatever

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Speaker 1: they decide to replace it with. But I actually thought

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Speaker 1: it would be more useful to discuss how we got

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Speaker 1: to this point or the history of this. Is the

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Speaker 1: Arlington National Cemetery, I believe it or not. I believe

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Speaker 1: it was George Washington's adopted sons daughter had that plot

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Speaker 1: of land at one point, and then Robert E. Lee. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that Robert E. Lee was the executor of an estate

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Speaker 1: that controlled what is now the It was less. I

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Speaker 1: think it was a couple of hundred acres, but now

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Speaker 1: Arlington National National Cemetery is about six hundred plus acres.

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Speaker 1: But in terms of the Confederate monuments specifically, well, let's

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Speaker 1: go back to what happened. You get after the Civil War,

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Speaker 1: you have reconstruction in the South, and it basically ends

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Speaker 1: eighteen seventy seven, President Rutherford B. Hayes withdraws federal troops

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Speaker 1: from the South, and as we all know, there are

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Speaker 1: still tremendous racism and segregation and policies of disenfranchisement and

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Speaker 1: abuse toward Black Americans, and it was systemic across the South.

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Speaker 1: So the policies or the idea of uniting the country

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Speaker 1: was still had a long way to go in that regard,

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Speaker 1: and it still had a long way to go with

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Speaker 1: regard to just those who were southerns, white southerns, and northerns.

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Speaker 1: There was a lot of resentment that was still felt

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Speaker 1: at that time in the country. But then there is

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Speaker 1: something of an opportunity toward unity that presents itself, as

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Speaker 1: so often happens in societies throughout history, with the beginning

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Speaker 1: of the Spanish American War in eighteen ninety eight. So

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you have people who are feeling

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Speaker 1: you have Southerners, you have white Southerners who are saying,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to go fight for my country. So this

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Speaker 1: was seen as an opportunity. Thirty three years after the

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Speaker 1: end of the Civil War, there's there's this chance to

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Speaker 1: bring the country together against a common enemy, in this case,

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Speaker 1: the Empire of Spain, and President McKinley saw it as

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Speaker 1: this moment in time where something could be done to

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Speaker 1: bring the country together. McKinley served himself. We all know

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Speaker 1: how McKinley unfortunately met his end. But McKinley had served

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Speaker 1: He enlisted as a private and made it all the

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Speaker 1: way through to eighteen sixty five as well as an officer.

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Speaker 1: And he appointed three Civil War veterans to command the

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Speaker 1: campaign in Cuba. Two of them were Medal of Honor

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Speaker 1: winners for the Union, and the third was fighting Joe Wheeler,

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Speaker 1: who was a Confederate cavalry general, and he had been

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Speaker 1: elected to Congress and Alabama in eighteen eighty and had

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Speaker 1: been part of the effort to heal the wounds of

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Speaker 1: the country. The Civil War had hundreds of thousands of

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Speaker 1: dead on both sides. A lot of Americans gave their

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Speaker 1: lives for their cause and for their side. So in

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Speaker 1: nineteen hundred Congress authorized and again this is part of

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Speaker 1: this move to bring the country, bring North and South

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Speaker 1: further together, you know, emotionally, spiritually, ideologically, after the wounds

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Speaker 1: of the Civil War. So in nineteen hundred Congress allows

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Speaker 1: Confederate remains to be taken from their reincharg taken from

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Speaker 1: their grave sites around DC and moved to Arlington National

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Speaker 1: Cemetery in what is now called Section sixteen. So that

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Speaker 1: was something of a that was obviously quite a change,

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Speaker 1: a move toward peace. President McKinley did his Peace Jubilee

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Speaker 1: nationwide tour and he proclaimed as follows. This was actually

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Speaker 1: in eighteen ninety eight, this before the graves were moved,

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Speaker 1: but he said, in the spirit of fraternity, we should

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Speaker 1: share with you in the care of the graves of

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Speaker 1: Confederate soldiers. Sectional feeling no longer holds back the love

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Speaker 1: we feel for each other. The old flag again waves

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Speaker 1: over us in peace with new glories. Now to be clear,

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Speaker 1: this new moment of bonding and bringing to other country

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Speaker 1: still excluded African Americans who were in the segregated burial

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Speaker 1: eight integrated Arlington. So in nineteen oh three, you're the

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Speaker 1: first Confederate Memorial Day ceremonies held in the Arlington Confederate Section.

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Speaker 1: President Theodore Roosevelt sent a floral arrangement, so he actually

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Speaker 1: sent flowers along. By the way, Jim Webb was a

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Speaker 1: marine veteran, did an excellent editorial laying out a lot

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Speaker 1: of this in the Wall Street Journal, and which he

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Speaker 1: was saying, Look, I think that the removal of this

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Speaker 1: monument at least under why the monument is there, right

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Speaker 1: for all these people writing, Oh, it's awful, it's about slavery,

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Speaker 1: it's about elevating the South and racism, and they're Nazis,

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Speaker 1: but they're just Nazis before the Nazis existed. Hold on

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Speaker 1: a second. This monument was meant to heal wounds that

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Speaker 1: the country had and bring the two sides together, and

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Speaker 1: people who had actually fought the Confederacy, people who had

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Speaker 1: lost family members to the Civil War, were involved in

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Speaker 1: this process of reconciliation. They wanted the country to come

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Speaker 1: back together. So in nineteen oh six, Secretary of War

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Speaker 1: Taft allowed the Daughters of the Confederacy to raise money

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Speaker 1: to build a memorial. Right, so, first the graves are moved,

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Speaker 1: there's the reinterred graves, and then they have this memorial

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Speaker 1: that is starting to be built. And it's actually built

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Speaker 1: by Moses jacob Ezekiel, who was artist, sculptor and a

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Speaker 1: Confederate veteran and the first Jewish American to graduate from

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Speaker 1: the Virginia Military Institute. So some interesting backstory on how

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Speaker 1: this all got built. So there's a if you look

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Speaker 1: at this, I haven't been to the memorial, I've only

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Speaker 1: seen photos of it, but there's a thirty thirty two

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Speaker 1: antiquity looking figure, and then there are a bunch of

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Speaker 1: smaller figures depicted in this sculpture below, and there are

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Speaker 1: some inscriptions. There's the Latin phrase, well, first they have

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Speaker 1: beat their swords. This is a biblical inscription. Actually, they've

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Speaker 1: beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks.

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Speaker 1: And the whole purpose of creating this monument at the

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Speaker 1: time was to try to bring together the feeling of

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Speaker 1: by veterans of both sides, by people as a as

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Speaker 1: a worthy goal. And this is not meant to elevate

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's there's greater there's so much more complexity

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Speaker 1: from visiting the in Charleston they have the Slave Slave

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Speaker 1: Auction Museum there that three percent of Southerner's own ninety

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Speaker 1: seven percent of the slaves, and that of the two

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Speaker 1: hundred and fifty eight thousand Confederate soldiers who died, which

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Speaker 1: is a roughly thirty percent figure of the those who

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Speaker 1: understand I think the greater historical context of why this

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Speaker 1: monument was built and what it is meant to symbolize

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Speaker 1: and is not meant to be an excuse for and

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Speaker 1: none of the people, none of the people involved in

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Speaker 1: It was not supposed to be about, oh, you know,

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Speaker 1: slavery was a cause that we should think of, as

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Speaker 1: It wasn't meant to. It was meant to bring together

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Speaker 1: removing it. But you know, where's it going to go.

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Speaker 1: It's in a place of honor obviously in Arlington Cemetery.

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Speaker 1: Where is it going to be moved to? They'll put

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Speaker 1: it in the basement of some museum. I'm sure, so

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Speaker 1: I know they have some plan for it, but who

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Speaker 1: in the National Defense Authorization Act of twenty twenty one,

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Speaker 1: all name symbols, displays, monuments, and paraphernalia that honor or

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Speaker 1: And then they want to just they want to remove,

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Speaker 1: they want to destroy, they want to taken away. What's

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Speaker 1: the purpose of this specific money. Remember, these are the

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Speaker 1: will never be. You can never appease this side. All

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Speaker 1: it with this distorted version of America is a bad, awful,

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Speaker 1: All right, second hour Clay and Book kicks off right now, everybody,

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Speaker 1: and we're talking about the border. New numbers out from

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Speaker 1: since December first. It's only December twenty first, twenty days,

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Speaker 1: over ten thousand and illegal entries into the United States

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Speaker 1: so he's an independent journalist mostly peaceful. Dot life is

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Speaker 1: his sub stack And Julio, thanks for being here. Tell

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks for having me books. So right now I

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Speaker 3: So you know, there's a lot of factors as to

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Speaker 1: So this is just to be clear, Huleio, a part

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Speaker 1: First off, will they are they able to talk to

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Speaker 1: Under the Biden administration, I can't anybody. I can't get

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Speaker 4: Everything else has been through with Texas Law Enforcement or

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Speaker 3: And as we've seen, you know, they's this is still

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Speaker 1: We're speaking to our friend Julio Rosas. He's down in

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Speaker 1: And what is the processing actually like when they's that overwhelmed,

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Speaker 1: I mean, somebody shows up, they say what, and Border

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Speaker 3: Takes about twenty minutes to fill out this paperwork and

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Speaker 3: But that's the problem. When you have all these people,

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Speaker 3: So the background checks are very, very minimal. The initial

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Speaker 1: Is anyone immediately like turned around and expelled from what

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Speaker 3: That if they are you know, found to be you know,

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Speaker 5: That takes it.

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Speaker 3: That takes a day or two. And as we've seen,

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Speaker 1: Many are they deporting? You actually you cut off there

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Speaker 1: at least for me. For a second, how many are

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Speaker 3: A couple of hundred per days, A couple one.

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Speaker 1: Hundred, Okay, so ten thousand, just to be ten thousand

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Speaker 3: That's for the entire that's for the entire southern border.

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Speaker 1: That's the whole border. Okay, So I just want to

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Speaker 1: I want them to hear these numbers, right, ten thousand

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Speaker 1: How does Border Patrol feel about this? I mean they've

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Speaker 3: They're they're completely demoralized. They've been demoralized going on two

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Speaker 3: When I was coming back from Mexico into the United

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Speaker 1: So yeah, it's not even just that the border's wide

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Speaker 3: The common sentiment that it's going to be a free

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Speaker 3: you know, them.

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Speaker 5: Missing out on it.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 3: So I think I think that's like I was saying,

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Speaker 3: I think that's part of the reason why December is

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Speaker 3: just getting absolutely planned right now with with the numbers,

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Speaker 3: because I mean the primary, the iqule primaries next month, right,

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Speaker 3: so the caucuss excuse me, So I mean this, we're

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Speaker 3: we're getting the full swing of election season that they're

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Speaker 3: seeing all their friends and family here. And and it's

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Speaker 5: Well, I'm here to tell.

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Speaker 3: Them that too bad. They're coming because the Bide administration

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Speaker 1: Yeah, New York, Chicago, LA and others. They're going to

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Speaker 1: a few things to talk about in this hour, some

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Speaker 1: some news items. For some I mentioned home alone in

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Speaker 1: the last hour and some One of our VIPs came

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Speaker 1: to me with this. I just wanted to be clear

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Speaker 1: that Vip David says the parents did try calling the neighbors.

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Speaker 1: In fact, the wet bandits were robbing one of them

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Speaker 1: and heard Kevin's mother leave a message on the answering machine,

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Speaker 1: okay to cha bar from fencing there. You see, we're

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Speaker 1: bringing all together. Point taken. However, I mean, I think

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Speaker 1: they could have called like the local police and said

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Speaker 1: we have a kid home alone, right, I mean, I

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Speaker 1: think there are ways to get this done right. Oh,

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Speaker 1: but I guess Kevin convinced people that there were adults

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Speaker 1: in the house. I see. I haven't seen the movie

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Speaker 1: in a while, but I do love the movie. It's

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Speaker 1: a very very fun movie. Although the tarantula scene still

513
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Speaker 1: you know, people had pet tarantulas for a while think

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Speaker 1: about that. That was a thing, that was a thing.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Does anyone in the audience have a

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Speaker 1: pet tarantula? We you guys are amazing. I can ask

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Speaker 1: someone to call in to tell me about a you know,

518
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 1: a form of brain surgery that's only been performed like

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Speaker 1: twice yet in history, and we'll have some expert call on.

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Speaker 1: I'll ask, how do we, you know, fix excessive rotor

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Speaker 1: wash on a black Hawk helicopter? And I can I

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Speaker 1: can crowdsource any knowledge. But does anyone in this audience

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Speaker 1: have a pet tarantula? I just feel like that's that's

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Speaker 1: a bridge too far, Like that's a little too crazy.

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Speaker 1: I mean, of all the things to have us and

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Speaker 1: I'm all for it. Don't tell my wife. I think

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Speaker 1: having like a pet fox would be really cool. I've

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Speaker 1: talked about this before. I know they dig a lot.

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Speaker 1: That's the people say. They they they're really into that,

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Speaker 1: and they they mark their territory a lot. So that's

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Speaker 1: maybe a little more difficult, but I think they're really

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Speaker 1: cute anyway. I just that was the thing at home

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Speaker 1: alone that that always stuck with me as a kid,

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Speaker 1: was the the tarantula scene. Was really h that was

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Speaker 1: not for me, all right? And uh, what else do

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Speaker 1: they have here? Oh? How did Kevin? How did Home

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Speaker 1: Alone's McAllister family afford their ultra lavish lifestyle. Finance experts

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Speaker 1: reveal how much Kevin's parents would have to earn to

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Speaker 1: pay for their huge mansion and first clap trips to Paris. People.

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Speaker 1: This is on the Daily mail right now. People are

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Speaker 1: going deep into home Alone lore this time of year.

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Speaker 1: I wonder how many the house I like, it's like

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Speaker 1: a what is it? A like a colonial revival kind

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Speaker 1: of style. I guess you'd call it. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: It's brick sort of brick fascade. It's nice.

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Speaker 6: It's nice.

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Speaker 1: All right. Enough of the home Alone stuff for a

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Speaker 1: little bit. I want to dive into something that is

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Speaker 1: in the headlines once again. Harvard President Claudine Gay faces

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Speaker 1: forty four zero new allegations of plagiarism with seven publications.

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Speaker 1: And there's a side by side of this. The thing

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Speaker 1: about this is that you can you can, speaking of crowdsourcing,

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Speaker 1: the evidence can be shown for any to see. This

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Speaker 1: is what she published as a graduate student, which is

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Speaker 1: I guess the post publicly available stuff or for a

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Speaker 1: thesis she wrote or dissertation she wrote, and here is

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Speaker 1: other published work. And what you can see is that

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Speaker 1: the president of Harvard is a plagiarist. Wow, isn't that

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Speaker 1: Isn't that so straightforward? Like why do they have to pretend? Well,

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Speaker 1: we know, we'll get into why they have done. But

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Speaker 1: it's very obvious that there is an issue here. Over

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Speaker 1: at CNN, Jake Tapper asked the question, so we can

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Speaker 1: hear or even CNN knows this is apparent, this is

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Speaker 1: what is going on. Harvard's got a problem on its hands.

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Speaker 1: This is cut nineteen play.

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Speaker 7: It is Harvard University really holding its president, Claudine Gay,

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Speaker 7: doctor Claudine Gay to the same standards when it comes

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Speaker 7: to the plagiarism that it would assail for students committing

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Speaker 7: the same.

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Speaker 1: Offense Harvard's top governing by.

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Speaker 7: But he said a review revealed quote inadequate citations by

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Speaker 7: doctor Gay in a few instances, but quote no violation

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Speaker 7: of Harvard's standards for research misconduct unquote. Critics of doctor

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Speaker 7: Gay and Harvard's review of the allegations say that there

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Speaker 7: is a double standard going on here. The big question,

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Speaker 7: I think in the future is how will Harvard be

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Speaker 7: able to punish any students found guilty of the same

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Speaker 7: offense without inviting a lawsuit.

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Speaker 1: There's clearly a double standard and it's indefensible. It's it

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Speaker 1: couldn't be more obvious. And to this, I would just

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Speaker 1: add I would add that, uh, this is this is

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Speaker 1: Who is it that said that if the Democrats didn't

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Speaker 1: have double standards, they'd have no standards? Is there someone

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Speaker 1: who that quote is attributed to? I've I've heard it

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Speaker 1: many times. It's certainly apt, it's it's accurate. I don't

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Speaker 1: want to plagiarize the quote. I don't know. I don't

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Speaker 1: know who said it. I'm putting the quotation marks on it.

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Speaker 1: But did pap you can and say that first? Am

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Speaker 1: I read on that one? Maybe anyway, someone checked me

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Speaker 1: on that one. But there's a double standard, just like

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Speaker 1: the double standard where if you didn't pay taxes for

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Speaker 1: five years or whatever it was, and millions of dollars

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Speaker 1: of income and you hit it intentionally through dummy LLC's

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Speaker 1: and passed through corporations. Unless you're Hunter Biden, you're going

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Speaker 1: to prison. Probably you're going to prison, see, you know,

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Speaker 1: kept away from your family, locked in a cell prison

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Speaker 1: for that, for you, for me, oh yeah, Hunter Biden

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Speaker 1: not going to spend a day. They didn't even want

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Speaker 1: to prosecute him, and now he's not going to spend

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Speaker 1: a day in prison. As you know, I've said that

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Speaker 1: all along, and I can continue to be my cynicism. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: when it comes to the Biden crime family and the

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Speaker 1: Democrat apparatus is pretty consistently rewarded by being correct, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I just I'll just put this out there.

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Speaker 1: My my cynical approach to the Democrats means that I

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Speaker 1: kind of know what they're gonna do and how they're

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Speaker 1: gonna play it. And that's certainly accurate as well as

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Speaker 1: you look at the president of Harvard and what's going

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Speaker 1: to go on here. They're just going to twist language

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Speaker 1: and words and play games and stall and delay and oh,

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Speaker 1: we're on holiday. The Plagiarism Research Committee is all on

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Speaker 1: you know, Christmas or Hanaka or Kwanza holiday, right, so

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Speaker 1: we're all just not going to pay any attention to this,

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Speaker 1: and they hope that it goes away and that in

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Speaker 1: the new year people will just focus on something else.

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Speaker 1: What I've said this to you, and I do think

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Speaker 1: it's it's important to remember this. It bears repeating as

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Speaker 1: a result that President Gay wanted a and she she

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Speaker 1: is an entirely unexceptional academic. Based on her body of

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Speaker 1: work and the publishing she's done, she's really a bottom

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Speaker 1: percentile academic. And that's just you can check that how

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Speaker 1: many things has she published? How many how many books?

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Speaker 1: Books has she written? Publish or perish is the cliche

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Speaker 1: and acade and published very much at all, elevated, elevated,

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Speaker 1: elevated all the way up to being the president of

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Speaker 1: Harvard University. And I think she was a dean at

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Speaker 1: one point, she was a professor before that. It just

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Speaker 1: has an entirely unremarkable and really really kind of paltry

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Speaker 1: publishing record. And now on top of so, it's a

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Speaker 1: minimal record of publishing, and on top of that, she's

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Speaker 1: lifting passages. Now, I if you read the if you're

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Speaker 1: really honest about this, oh, people are gonna get all

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Speaker 1: crazy on me. But if you're really honest about this,

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Speaker 1: you know there are gray areas in the plagiarism stuff,

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Speaker 1: meaning you know, okay, you're borrowing an idea, but is

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Speaker 1: this an original idea or is this more of a

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Speaker 1: fact and you know, so you know when in doubt

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Speaker 1: you cite is basically how it goes.

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Speaker 6: But there's a little bit if you read the regulations like.

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Speaker 1: Oh, you're getting this idea from this person, or if

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Speaker 1: you know, if you obviously, but if you take block

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Speaker 1: quotes of someone else's straight up language and don't cite

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Speaker 1: it and don't quote it, you're plagiarizing. Like you know,

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Speaker 1: there are the gray areas, and then there's this. This

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Speaker 1: is not a gray area. And in academia this is

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Speaker 1: treated very seriously because this is the work product of

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Speaker 1: all these different people, and you know it's an ethical issue,

648
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 1: but also the whole system sort of collapses if you

649
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:11,879
Speaker 1: can just copy someone's paper and hand it in as

650
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 1: your own. We're all geniuses, right. What you have here, though,

651
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 1: is they can't give in on this. Again, my cynicism

652
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 1: is part of my prescience, part of my ability to predict,

653
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:31,360
Speaker 1: because I understand, I understand the other side. I believe

654
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 1: it was the great philosopher Wesley Snipes in the movie

655
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:42,799
Speaker 1: Blade who says, when you understand the nature of a thing,

656
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,800
Speaker 1: you understand what it is capable of. And I understand

657
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 1: the nature of the DEI system. So I know the

658
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 1: lengths blade underrated movie by the way, not a Christmas movie,

659
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 1: and I can't even recommend it because you know, a

660
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:57,879
Speaker 1: lot of violence and stuff that not good for the kids,

661
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 1: but you know, for the adult's pretty good. Back in

662
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,359
Speaker 1: a pretty good throwback superhero movie, if you like superhero movies.

663
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:05,319
Speaker 1: But Wesley Snipes, if I remember correctly, because I've seen

664
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 1: that movie too many times, does say that, And I understand.

665
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 1: I was a Wesley Snipes fan of the nineties. I

666
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 1: understand that the DEI system begins to collapse if you

667
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 1: hold people in the DEI system. The whole point is

668
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:22,720
Speaker 1: that they're not held to the same standards as other people.

669
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 1: But the whole point of elevating underrepresented minorities is they

670
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,720
Speaker 1: don't have the same record, they don't have the same

671
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 1: skills or skill set, they don't have the same achievement,

672
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 1: but we're going to pretend that they do because by

673
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 1: creating that facade, we have a better, more inclusive, and

674
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 1: more diverse society. This is the argument, right, I mean,

675
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 1: and they always run into this. Cognitive dissonance is a

676
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 1: very important term here because they'll say, how dare you

677
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:55,839
Speaker 1: say they're changing the standards and say, okay, well then

678
00:37:55,880 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 1: why why can't you just keep using the SAT this school.

679
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 1: Oh if you if you use the SAT, then it's

680
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 1: clear that you are changing standards. So they have to

681
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 1: get rid of it at different places. Right, we all

682
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 1: understand this. This standardized testing is you know, you could say,

683
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:19,240
Speaker 1: merit and achievement objectively understood are the greatest enemies of DEI,

684
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:23,319
Speaker 1: the DEI establishment. Standardized testing though, is probably also the

685
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 1: one that just you know, because remember we're told that

686
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:29,320
Speaker 1: one of the reasons we need DEI in the first place,

687
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 1: one of the reasons we have to elevate people like

688
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 1: the president of Harvard to you know, she's making seven

689
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 1: figures and she's on fireable, and she has all this

690
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 1: power and prestige and all this stuff. We have to

691
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,879
Speaker 1: do this because society is so unfair that people from

692
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 1: underrepresented groups don't get a fair chance to do these things.

693
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 1: Then we sit there and go, I mean, there's there

694
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 1: are plenty of people in society from all different backgrounds

695
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 1: who have been amazingly successful. You know, there are there

696
00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:00,800
Speaker 1: are black, black billionaires. There's been a black president, There's

697
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:04,839
Speaker 1: there you know, are Latinos and you go down the list,

698
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 1: you say no, Actually, in America, it's possible for anyone

699
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:11,800
Speaker 1: to be an incredible success, become incredibly influential and wealthy.

700
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:18,360
Speaker 1: But it's not possible for everyone to right. And this

701
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 1: is why the problem that Harvard ran into initially was

702
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 1: the Asian achievement issue. As in, Asians as a group,

703
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:32,800
Speaker 1: as an ethnic group in this in this country, overachieve

704
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:37,879
Speaker 1: relative to the rest of the demographics. Asians do better

705
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:42,359
Speaker 1: on standardized tests on average, just facts. Supreme Court dealt

706
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 1: with this. I know people, you can notice whenever you

707
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 1: talk about this stuff there are people just ah, they

708
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 1: get a little hu. Are you allowed to say that?

709
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 1: I don't know, it sounds you're talking about how well

710
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 1: the Asians do on standardized testing. Sounds a little a

711
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 1: little too right wing for me or something. What. It's

712
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:01,320
Speaker 1: just reality, It's just facts, the truth. We all know it.

713
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 1: It's numbers. It's not opinion. It's numbers. And that's what

714
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 1: brought down the whole diversity and inclusion affirmative action edifice

715
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:15,360
Speaker 1: and the Supreme Court at least now it's taking a

716
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 1: long time for this to continue to this fight is

717
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:19,800
Speaker 1: going to be ongoing, there's gonna have to be a

718
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:21,799
Speaker 1: lot of lawsuits and they're gonna have to be situations

719
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:24,239
Speaker 1: like this. And that's why bring it full circle back

720
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 1: here to doctor Gay. They cannot allow her to be

721
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 1: fired for this, because if she can be fired for this,

722
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 1: who else can be fired for this? Meaning not just plagiarism,

723
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 1: but other people who underperform when they've been elevated because

724
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 1: of the superficial characteristics that the DEI apparatus is obsessed with.

725
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:49,400
Speaker 1: Underperformance or poor performance in your job should be the

726
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 1: grounds then for removal, and that starts to open up

727
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:57,280
Speaker 1: the well, where else is that going to be the case?

728
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 1: Where else are you going to have people who are

729
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 1: judged by objective metrics visa the their peer group in

730
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:10,879
Speaker 1: academia or wherever, instead of just the presence of this

731
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:14,399
Speaker 1: person in this role because of their race or their

732
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 1: sexual orientation or whatever. Just their presence is in itself

733
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 1: an unassailable good that cannot be questioned, because ultimately, that's

734
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 1: what DEI is all about. Ultimately, that's where it always

735
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 1: ends up. That's where it always falls Apart for those

736
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 1: who apply logic, reason and rationality. Also enemies of the

737
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 1: dei apparatus as it stands. I tell you all this,

738
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:44,439
Speaker 1: and I analyze it, and I say to you, she's

739
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 1: going to keep her job. She's gonna keep her job.

740
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 1: You watch, gonna keep her job because they haven't been

741
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:59,799
Speaker 1: pushed enough, not enough lawsuits, not enough. Honestly, the left

742
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 1: DEI system has not suffered enough losses or enough financial

743
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:07,319
Speaker 1: pain to abandon any of this yet. And it's going

744
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 1: to be a long it's going to be a long

745
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 1: drawn out battle to get them to adhere to both

746
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 1: the letter and spirit of the Supreme Court decision that

747
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 1: came down on affirmative action. And in all of it.

748
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 1: Now is when now is when the fighting over this happens. Right,

749
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 1: So keep that in mind. You know, a friend of

750
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 1: this program, Dutch menden Hall, became an author book author

751
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Speaker 1: for the first time this year. And look, I know

752
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:37,839
Speaker 1: the hard work that goes into writing. I'm doing it

753
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 1: myself these days. It's no easy feat a lot of

754
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 1: hours spent alone, a lot of hours going I wish

755
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 1: I could go out and you know, play tennis and

756
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 1: hang out with everybody, but no, I must write my book.

757
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:50,479
Speaker 1: I must write my book. That's what I'm telling myself

758
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 1: today after the show. But Dutch, he's done a great book.

759
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 1: It's called money Shackles. He runs a company with a

760
00:42:56,840 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 1: co founder, Rad Diversified, that specializes in identifying alternative investments,

761
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:03,879
Speaker 1: many of them in real estate, and creating increased wealth

762
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 1: for all of those working with Rad Diversified. So this

763
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 1: new book by Dutch, money Shackles, takes on the topic

764
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 1: of debt and how to productively use it. If you

765
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Speaker 1: have car loan debt, student loan debt, just name a

766
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Speaker 1: couple of examples, Dutch shows you how to use that

767
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Speaker 1: to your advantage. To him, it's not a bad thing,

768
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:21,320
Speaker 1: it's a productive thing. But you have to know the

769
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 1: right strategies, the right way to do it, and he

770
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 1: guides you into alternative investment vehicles that can be very lucrative.

771
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 1: Dutch's way to redefine your American dream is to well,

772
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Speaker 1: first do this read money Shackles. Okay, get ready for

773
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774
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775
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Speaker 1: That website again is money shackles dot com, keeping you real,

776
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Speaker 1: keeping it honest. Clay Travis and Buck Sexton, welcome back

777
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 1: in taking some calls about Christmas. Whatever we've talked about

778
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 1: on the show today, We're gonna be easing into the

779
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 1: holidays here. I'm not actually going to New York City,

780
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 1: but I saw this thing about how New York City

781
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:11,880
Speaker 1: has made Airbnb's less than thirty days no longer allowed,

782
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 1: and so the average hotel room in New York City's

783
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 1: up twenty percent. I mean it was already too expensive,

784
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:23,360
Speaker 1: but now it's way too expensive. It's crazy, crazy stuff.

785
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 1: Speaking of crazy stuff, I should have known better, I said,

786
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 1: do we have anybody? I don't think any of this

787
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 1: audience actually has a pet Taransian. Now why do I

788
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:34,880
Speaker 1: bring this up? I brought it up because in the

789
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 1: movie Home Alone, which is a great Christmas movie, there's

790
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 1: a scene where one of the Burglars is bitten by

791
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:45,799
Speaker 1: It's not Kevin's pet Tarantial, it's buzz his Is it

792
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 1: his brother or his cousin? His brother right? Older brother?

793
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 1: I mean they look nothing alike, but is his brother right? Yeah?

794
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:54,400
Speaker 1: So we got a bunch of people John and Staten

795
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 1: Island says he has a he had a Tarantia for

796
00:44:57,040 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 1: the kids, and they're actually buying a new one today, John,

797
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 1: Are you messing with me?

798
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 5: No? No, no, Buck, how you doing. We're gonna have

799
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:06,920
Speaker 5: one under the tree. And it's not gonna have a

800
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:08,319
Speaker 5: Santa hat on them.

801
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 6: But okay, explain explain this to me, like what.

802
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:16,359
Speaker 1: Like is a pat Why? Why how do we get there?

803
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 1: What's the what's the upside?

804
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 5: They have an adventurous spirit. I'm one of those paths

805
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 5: you know, well all the crazy things we do for

806
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:24,840
Speaker 5: our kids. So they go on adventures. It says like

807
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:28,360
Speaker 5: a hunt of things, clues and this and that, traps

808
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 5: and all that. There's a treasure hunt. They found the

809
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 5: tarantula at the end. They were surprised. My daughter's kind

810
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 5: of like the tomboys. She's got crabs. Got livid and

811
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:38,399
Speaker 5: uh yeah, they saw it. They're surprised. They loved it.

812
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:42,800
Speaker 5: Unfortunately they did accidentally kill the first one. Poor Curly

813
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 5: rest in peace. And so this is a Curly second chance,

814
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 5: a little resurrection of the tarantula. It will be under

815
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:52,360
Speaker 5: the tree, big surprise. They're gonna be very happy to

816
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:52,799
Speaker 5: see them.

817
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 1: You're gonna have can you send it an email to

818
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 1: our team. I want to see a photo of the

819
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 1: tarantula under the tree. Is there any do they? You

820
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 1: know they look scary? Do they actually do you have

821
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 1: to worry about them? I know they're not like really venomous, right,

822
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:09,800
Speaker 1: but they have the big pit they have the big

823
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 1: is it not pincers? What do you call it? Fangs?

824
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 1: Do they bite or is that not really a thing?

825
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 5: I'm not touching it. I skiw them that people have.

826
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:22,359
Speaker 5: Do you go to the pet stores, they have scorpions,

827
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 5: they have pets, roaches, cockroaches. Not touching the thing. It's

828
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:29,240
Speaker 5: very low maintenance from what I hear. I think they're prickly.

829
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 5: They can irritate your skin. There's a fancy word for

830
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:34,839
Speaker 5: the hairs in their body. I don't know. I'm not

831
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:37,319
Speaker 5: touching the thing. And it's low maintenance. You put it

832
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 5: in the corner, your spray of the water, throw some

833
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:41,320
Speaker 5: crickets in there. You're done and that's for them.

834
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 1: Okay, So you don't handle it like it's just in

835
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:48,720
Speaker 1: there to look at. It's almost like a fish pretty much, okay,

836
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 1: because it could it could like bite somebody with those things, right,

837
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:53,279
Speaker 1: I mean that's that which wouldn't be good.

838
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:56,400
Speaker 5: You take the next coal and ask them I don't know.

839
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:59,399
Speaker 5: My kids are crazy. I'm crazy, but we go all

840
00:46:59,400 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 5: out for the kids.

841
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 1: Hey, John and Staten Island. First of all, you remind

842
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 1: me of home. Second of all, just to me a favor.

843
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:09,240
Speaker 1: Don't don't let Sanda get bitten by the tarentula this year, right, buddy,

844
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:12,920
Speaker 1: keep your hands clear of the cage. All right? Thank you,

845
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:16,399
Speaker 1: Thank you John, Thanks for calling in. You get more.

846
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 1: You people are you? I love you people. You people

847
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:23,800
Speaker 1: are nuts. You people are nuts. Jeff in Fort Myers,

848
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 1: Florida taranngela for five years. Can you answer the So

849
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 1: it's basically just like like a terrarium or aquarium pad, right,

850
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:33,360
Speaker 1: You never touch it. It doesn't crawl over your shoulders

851
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:35,320
Speaker 1: or anything or your hand. You just have it to

852
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 1: look at. Is that right?

853
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 5: Yeah? Yeah, pretty much.

854
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 8: And definitely the most exciting time is is feeding time.

855
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:45,439
Speaker 8: As you can see him strategizing how to get those bugs.

856
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 8: That was always a good time. My son Josh had

857
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Speaker 8: him out from time to time. Uh never really crawled

858
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Speaker 8: across us, just kind of get him out to get

859
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Speaker 8: it some exercise. But he's a he was a good guy.

860
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Speaker 8: My son uncovered him during construction work. He died December

861
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Speaker 8: of twenty twenty Christmas. Uh. And we just uncovered him

862
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Speaker 8: in his little casket, uh two days ago with construction work.

863
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Speaker 8: So now we get to talk about his tarantula all

864
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Speaker 8: over again.

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Speaker 6: So you had a little tarantula casket we did, Yeow.

866
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Speaker 1: I'm learning. I'm learning all kinds of things today.

867
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Speaker 8: Covered up man he was. We haven't taken him out

868
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Speaker 8: of it yet, but it looks like he's pretty much intact.

869
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Speaker 8: And because it'll casket there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, well, thank you. I very very interesting stuff.

871
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Speaker 1: I mean, for me, spiders, I'll just say this. I

872
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Speaker 1: go snake before I go spider as a pet. And

873
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 1: I'm not a reptile guy in general. I hold the

874
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Speaker 1: animals with fur. Are you know? Those are my that's

875
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 1: those are my special I like those.

876
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 4: Uh.

877
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 1: And then we get to reptiles for me, the Iraq nids.

878
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 1: That's where we really start to get into another another space.

879
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:04,320
Speaker 1: Another are I think score are scorpions technically interacnan. I

880
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:07,840
Speaker 1: think they are. I also believe, and I'm gonna have

881
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Speaker 1: the team fact check me in this in real time.

882
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 1: I did not google this. I don't know why I

883
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Speaker 1: know this, but I believe the name tarantula is related

884
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Speaker 1: to the dance that was done in Italy called the Tarantella,

885
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Speaker 1: which they thought if you were bitten by a tarantula

886
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:22,320
Speaker 1: and you did this dance, you would not like the

887
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:24,799
Speaker 1: venom wouldn't hurt you. Check that one, guys. That may

888
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:28,359
Speaker 1: be the problem with the Internet, as Abraham Lincoln once said,

889
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 1: is there's so much stuff on the Internet that's not true,

890
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 1: and you just got to keep you gotta keep your

891
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:34,879
Speaker 1: eyes open. But I believe the tarantella thing may be true.

892
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 1: There's some there's some crossover there. Joseph in Pennsylvania wants

893
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Speaker 1: to weigh in on plagiarism. Gait. What's up, Joseph.

894
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 9: Hey, So, when I was in college about twenty years ago,

895
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Speaker 9: I had an issue where I was considered and called

896
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Speaker 9: out that I plagiarized.

897
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Speaker 5: Is the process that I had to.

898
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Speaker 10: Go to without being expelled from this college.

899
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Speaker 5: It was insane.

900
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Speaker 9: I had to plead with these people to keep me.

901
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 10: And how I actually won was I printed out articles

902
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 10: of that day from people that wrote for Yahoo and

903
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:24,840
Speaker 10: Google to show that people make human eras make mistakes.

904
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Speaker 10: And these are coming from you know, writers that write

905
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Speaker 10: for Yahoo and you know Google, and it's getting past

906
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 10: the editors. So there is human mistake, there is human error.

907
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Speaker 6: Well, of course, and this is what this is what

908
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:37,959
Speaker 6: I was saying before.

909
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Speaker 1: I mean, if you if you're writing a book, let's say,

910
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 1: and you're going to have three hundred five hundred citations,

911
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 1: if you miss one citation, or you a plagiarist. I mean,

912
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:48,880
Speaker 1: you know, this is like if you jaywalk, Are you

913
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 1: a criminal? Do we often walk around calling you a criminal?

914
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Speaker 3: No?

915
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 1: There's obviously gradations, and there's you know, levels of these things.

916
00:50:54,960 --> 00:51:00,200
Speaker 1: But what doctor Gay is accused of is informal paper

917
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:05,920
Speaker 1: as a career academic in graduate school, just copy and

918
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:09,439
Speaker 1: copy and pasting whole sections. And she didn't publish very much.

919
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:14,719
Speaker 1: More than half of her publicly published work contains information

920
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 1: that is or you know, contains writing that is plagiarized.

921
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 1: Am I right about the Tarantella?

922
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:20,800
Speaker 8: Guys?

923
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 1: Is this what you're telling me? Yeah? There's an Italian

924
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 1: folk dance called the Tarantella that relates to the tarantula

925
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:32,279
Speaker 1: in some capacity. I can't read it. You guys got

926
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:35,799
Speaker 1: to tell me if I'm right? Am I? I am right?

927
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:41,920
Speaker 1: The Buckster nails it. He even knows things about furry spiders.

928
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:44,799
Speaker 1: That's why you tune in every day. You never know

929
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:48,279
Speaker 1: what you're going to get here on the show. Uh

930
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Speaker 1: and now we've got let me see, we got one,

931
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Speaker 1: We've got one more here? Oh yes, doctor Jason, I'm

932
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:58,280
Speaker 1: assuming an academic. He's a North Carolina, a research scientist.

933
00:51:58,320 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 1: What's up, doctor j.

934
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Speaker 2: Hey, sir, how are you doing? Thanks to taking so

935
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:10,240
Speaker 2: I'll tell you you're this story you know days ago?

936
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:14,879
Speaker 2: My stomach, my stomach sank as. I think a lot

937
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:19,239
Speaker 2: of us that do research for a living take a

938
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Speaker 2: lot of pride in our in our work. We have integrity.

939
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:28,880
Speaker 2: This is science that we are producing for future generations

940
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 2: to ask further research questions. But plagiarism at that level,

941
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Speaker 2: although it's absolutely horrible on doctor Gay's part, it does

942
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Speaker 2: open your mind too to the larger problem in academia

943
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:48,400
Speaker 2: and how it got that far. I've sat on many

944
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 2: as chair of many dissertations committees.

945
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 5: And.

946
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Speaker 2: Boy, I take that personal. I I look at that

947
00:52:56,960 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 2: doctoral students work a fine too. Come we can't have

948
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:09,240
Speaker 2: any reproducing uh what they consider first hand knowledge based

949
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 2: on somebody else's academic work. I take this work seriously.

950
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:17,879
Speaker 2: We don't do this type of work for money.

951
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 5: For fame.

952
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:22,479
Speaker 2: We do it because we love what we do. We

953
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:30,239
Speaker 2: want to advance the science, to advance people, healthcare, social sciences,

954
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 2: world science. I mean, whatever the outcome may be that

955
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 2: I hear you.

956
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 1: You do it for for passion, passion for the work.

957
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 1: But let me ask you this. I should the president

958
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:42,360
Speaker 1: of Harvard be fired.

959
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:49,400
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And unfortunately I've let students go in doctoral programs

960
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 2: before for these similar issues because we can't have that.

961
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 2: We we just can't have it has to be clean.

962
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 2: But you know, through my years and academia, as I've

963
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 2: gone now into my third decade.

964
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Speaker 1: It's it's pervasive.

965
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:08,839
Speaker 2: I see it, and in fact it's recent and with.

966
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 1: AI and everything, it's all only going to get I think.

967
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 1: I mean, in some ways it's easier to find people,

968
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 1: but also there's more and more ways to construct things

969
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 1: that you haven't written. And we'll see. Thank you for

970
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:20,479
Speaker 1: calling in, doctor Jason. Guys, we're gonna chat a little

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