1 00:00:46,480 --> 00:00:51,921 Speaker 1: School of Humans. Helen Got Murder Line actively investigates cold 2 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:55,361 Speaker 1: case murders in an effort to raise public awareness. Invite 3 00:00:55,401 --> 00:00:58,761 Speaker 1: witnesses to come forward and present evidence that could potentially 4 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:02,961 Speaker 1: be further investigated by law enforcement. While we value insights 5 00:01:03,001 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 1: from family and community members, their statements should not be 6 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:09,961 Speaker 1: considered evidence and point to the challenges of verifying facts 7 00:01:10,041 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 1: inherent in cold cases. 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Thanks for listening. 12 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:33,481 Speaker 2: On June tenth, two thousand and six, twenty one year 13 00:01:33,481 --> 00:01:36,721 Speaker 2: old Deirdre Harm was headed to a night out with friends. 14 00:01:37,401 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 3: She had a four month old daughter. 15 00:01:39,001 --> 00:01:41,881 Speaker 2: Named Vegas and had hired a babysitter to watch her. 16 00:01:42,681 --> 00:01:46,841 Speaker 2: She and her friends went out downtown in Wisconsin Rapids, Wisconsin. 17 00:01:47,481 --> 00:01:50,441 Speaker 2: They stopped at a couple of bars, including The Finish 18 00:01:50,561 --> 00:01:54,721 Speaker 2: Line and the Body Shop. What happened toward the end 19 00:01:54,721 --> 00:01:59,121 Speaker 2: of the night is unclear. Witnesses said Deirdre was talking 20 00:01:59,121 --> 00:02:02,321 Speaker 2: with a man whom none of her friends knew. It's 21 00:02:02,441 --> 00:02:07,001 Speaker 2: also not clear which bar Deirdra was at last, but 22 00:02:07,361 --> 00:02:10,641 Speaker 2: the bartender at the finish line said she saw Dedra leave. 23 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:15,081 Speaker 2: The bartender also said she saw a man leave shortly 24 00:02:15,121 --> 00:02:19,801 Speaker 2: after Deirdre did, and then Deirdre never came home. She 25 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:25,601 Speaker 2: never called her babysitter. She simply disappeared. The bartender helped 26 00:02:25,641 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 2: the Wood County Sheriff's department make a composite sketch of 27 00:02:28,761 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 2: the stranger. He was described as having shaggy, dark hair, 28 00:02:32,721 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 2: being clean shaven, and having a large tribal tattoo. 29 00:02:36,161 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 3: On his left forearm. 30 00:02:38,121 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 2: For months, Deirdra's friends and family looked for her. They 31 00:02:42,041 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 2: shared her missing poster all around town, but they found 32 00:02:45,601 --> 00:02:50,401 Speaker 2: no trace of Dedra. Five months later, hunters were walking 33 00:02:50,481 --> 00:02:53,761 Speaker 2: through the town of Seneca, a wooded area around five 34 00:02:53,841 --> 00:02:58,161 Speaker 2: miles away from downtown Wisconsin Rapids. They found part of 35 00:02:58,161 --> 00:03:02,921 Speaker 2: a human skeleton, including a skull, and on November twenty second, 36 00:03:03,001 --> 00:03:08,041 Speaker 2: two thousand and six, dental records confirmed these remains were Dedra. 37 00:03:08,081 --> 00:03:13,121 Speaker 2: Harm There had been a lot of deterioration, too much 38 00:03:13,241 --> 00:03:15,681 Speaker 2: for the medical examiners to determine a cause of death. 39 00:03:16,601 --> 00:03:20,001 Speaker 2: Dedra's skeleton had injuries and trauma, but they couldn't tell 40 00:03:20,041 --> 00:03:22,481 Speaker 2: if the damage to her remains happened as a result 41 00:03:22,521 --> 00:03:26,121 Speaker 2: of her murder or if it happened afterward. Since this 42 00:03:26,481 --> 00:03:29,241 Speaker 2: was in a wooded area with animal activity and the 43 00:03:29,321 --> 00:03:32,561 Speaker 2: animals could have been responsible for the bone scattering. 44 00:03:33,521 --> 00:03:35,921 Speaker 3: Police seemed to hit a dead end very quickly. 45 00:03:36,481 --> 00:03:40,001 Speaker 2: They had no suspects, and they didn't even know whether 46 00:03:40,041 --> 00:03:42,921 Speaker 2: Deirdra had been attacked and killed near the bar where 47 00:03:42,921 --> 00:03:46,081 Speaker 2: she was last seen, or if the killer kidnapped her 48 00:03:46,281 --> 00:03:49,521 Speaker 2: and killed her at another location and then dumped the 49 00:03:49,561 --> 00:03:53,721 Speaker 2: body where it was eventually found. The trail went cold 50 00:03:54,321 --> 00:03:58,441 Speaker 2: and Deirdre's murder was unsolved. And then in two thousand 51 00:03:58,441 --> 00:04:01,761 Speaker 2: and seven, another woman was leaving a bar late at night, 52 00:04:02,441 --> 00:04:05,561 Speaker 2: thousands of miles away from where Deirdre vanished, and she 53 00:04:05,841 --> 00:04:10,161 Speaker 2: also disappeared. Police eventually began to believe that they were 54 00:04:10,201 --> 00:04:16,401 Speaker 2: on the trail of a serial killer. This investigation spanned 55 00:04:16,521 --> 00:04:20,361 Speaker 2: nineteen years and several states and focused on a man 56 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 2: living a double life, a man who police believe is 57 00:04:24,521 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 2: responsible for at least three murders and there could be other. 58 00:04:29,401 --> 00:04:32,561 Speaker 3: Victims out there. I'm Catherine Townsend. 59 00:04:33,521 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 2: Over the past seven years of making my true crime podcast, 60 00:04:36,481 --> 00:04:39,641 Speaker 2: Telling Gone, I've learned that there's no such thing as 61 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 2: a small town where murder never happens. 62 00:04:42,681 --> 00:04:45,040 Speaker 3: I have received hundreds of messages from. 63 00:04:44,841 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 2: People all around the country asking for help with an 64 00:04:47,801 --> 00:04:52,001 Speaker 2: unsolved murder that's affected them, their families, and their communities. 65 00:04:52,521 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 2: If you have a case you'd like me and my 66 00:04:54,361 --> 00:04:56,801 Speaker 2: team to look into, you can reach out to us 67 00:04:56,801 --> 00:04:59,281 Speaker 2: at our Helen Gone Murder Line at six seven eight 68 00:04:59,401 --> 00:05:02,721 Speaker 2: seven four four six one four five. That's six seven 69 00:05:02,761 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 2: eight seven four four six one four five, or you 70 00:05:06,921 --> 00:05:10,721 Speaker 2: can send us a message on Instagram at Helen Gonepod. 71 00:05:11,641 --> 00:05:58,801 Speaker 2: This is Helen Gone Murder Line. Less than a year 72 00:05:58,961 --> 00:06:03,681 Speaker 2: after Deirdre Harm went missing, another woman also vanished. This 73 00:06:03,801 --> 00:06:07,601 Speaker 2: time the woman vanished about seven hundred miles away in Missouri. 74 00:06:08,881 --> 00:06:11,761 Speaker 2: Thirty six year old Renee Williams was a server at 75 00:06:11,761 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 2: the Eagles Lodge bar in Ava, Missouri, and on March thirteenth, 76 00:06:16,121 --> 00:06:18,721 Speaker 2: two thousand and seven, she was closing up for the night. 77 00:06:20,041 --> 00:06:23,801 Speaker 2: According to the Douglas County Sheriff's Department, Renee was last 78 00:06:23,801 --> 00:06:27,121 Speaker 2: seen at around one thirty am. The night had started 79 00:06:27,201 --> 00:06:31,601 Speaker 2: out as completely ordinary. Renee lived with her boyfriend Tim 80 00:06:31,761 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 2: in Mansfield. They had been together for twelve years and 81 00:06:35,241 --> 00:06:38,961 Speaker 2: had three children together, and Tim told police that before 82 00:06:39,041 --> 00:06:41,681 Speaker 2: leaving the lodge that night, Renee had called him to 83 00:06:41,681 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 2: say she was on her way home. He said she 84 00:06:44,441 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 2: sounded calm, there was no sign of distress. Everything seemed 85 00:06:48,361 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 2: completely normal, But then Renee never came home. Tim knew 86 00:06:54,001 --> 00:06:57,681 Speaker 2: immediately something was wrong, especially after he drove by the 87 00:06:57,721 --> 00:07:01,601 Speaker 2: lodge and saw Renee's red Chevy Lumina still parked outside. 88 00:07:02,041 --> 00:07:05,521 Speaker 2: But again there was no sign of Renee, so Tim 89 00:07:05,561 --> 00:07:09,761 Speaker 2: reported her missing to the Douglas County Sheriff's Office. Police 90 00:07:09,921 --> 00:07:14,601 Speaker 2: released information stating that they were treating Renee's disappearance as 91 00:07:14,681 --> 00:07:19,001 Speaker 2: a stranger abduction. Renee was white, with blonde hair and 92 00:07:19,041 --> 00:07:22,921 Speaker 2: blue eyes, five feet two inches tall, weighing around one 93 00:07:23,001 --> 00:07:27,121 Speaker 2: hundred and thirty pounds. She also had some distinctive tattoos, 94 00:07:27,521 --> 00:07:30,561 Speaker 2: two feathers on her right arm, a unicorn head on 95 00:07:30,601 --> 00:07:34,601 Speaker 2: her right ankle, and the letters KSA on her left fingers. 96 00:07:36,241 --> 00:07:39,721 Speaker 2: Police quickly came to the conclusion that the evidence did 97 00:07:39,761 --> 00:07:43,401 Speaker 2: not support Renee leaving the bar on her own. First 98 00:07:43,441 --> 00:07:47,041 Speaker 2: of all, she had called her boyfriend and specifically said 99 00:07:47,121 --> 00:07:49,761 Speaker 2: she was headed home. It seemed as though she had 100 00:07:49,801 --> 00:07:50,761 Speaker 2: closed up normally. 101 00:07:51,441 --> 00:07:53,281 Speaker 3: The doors to the bar were closed. 102 00:07:53,001 --> 00:07:55,881 Speaker 2: And locked, and the receipts from the night sales had 103 00:07:55,881 --> 00:07:59,361 Speaker 2: been locked in the safe. Also, nothing seemed to have 104 00:07:59,361 --> 00:08:02,561 Speaker 2: been taken from inside the bar, and her car was 105 00:08:02,641 --> 00:08:04,441 Speaker 2: left there in the parking lot. 106 00:08:04,761 --> 00:08:05,841 Speaker 3: The only thing. 107 00:08:05,761 --> 00:08:12,081 Speaker 2: Missing was Renee's purse, and Renee was just gone. According 108 00:08:12,121 --> 00:08:15,121 Speaker 2: to an incident report from the Douglas County Sheriff's office, 109 00:08:15,441 --> 00:08:19,441 Speaker 2: there was some blood found on the sidewalk near Rene's car. 110 00:08:20,081 --> 00:08:24,121 Speaker 2: They sent the evidence in for DNA testing. A volunteer 111 00:08:24,161 --> 00:08:27,401 Speaker 2: search party showed up with trained dogs who alerted on 112 00:08:27,441 --> 00:08:31,161 Speaker 2: a dirt road behind the bar. The canines followed the trail, 113 00:08:31,321 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 2: which ended about a mile away from the Eagle's Lodge 114 00:08:33,961 --> 00:08:37,960 Speaker 2: on some private property, but there was no trace of Renee, 115 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:43,721 Speaker 2: any of her belongings, or any other DNA. Rene's family 116 00:08:44,001 --> 00:08:47,481 Speaker 2: and friends made public pleas for information, but they got 117 00:08:47,521 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 2: no credible leads. They described her as a devoted mother 118 00:08:51,241 --> 00:08:54,841 Speaker 2: who would never have left her children, and as the 119 00:08:54,841 --> 00:08:58,001 Speaker 2: weeks and months dragged on, they lost even more hope. 120 00:08:58,241 --> 00:09:02,481 Speaker 2: Because Renee never appeared again. No one heard from her, 121 00:09:03,001 --> 00:09:06,121 Speaker 2: records showed. Her phone was never used again, and her 122 00:09:06,121 --> 00:09:09,441 Speaker 2: bank accounts and credit cards were never touched. There was 123 00:09:09,560 --> 00:09:12,521 Speaker 2: no sign anywhere that she was alive after she closed 124 00:09:12,601 --> 00:09:17,161 Speaker 2: up the bar that night, So what happened to Renee Williams. 125 00:09:19,681 --> 00:09:22,561 Speaker 2: One name that came up early in the investigation into 126 00:09:22,601 --> 00:09:28,521 Speaker 2: Renee's disappearance was Christopher Revak. His name apparently got mentioned 127 00:09:28,641 --> 00:09:32,081 Speaker 2: when police were investigating the regulars at the Eagle's Lodge. 128 00:09:32,361 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 2: Christopher was someone who occasionally stopped by. 129 00:09:35,121 --> 00:09:36,841 Speaker 3: The bar at the time. 130 00:09:37,161 --> 00:09:40,361 Speaker 2: Christopher Reevak was a thirty five year old EMT who 131 00:09:40,401 --> 00:09:44,001 Speaker 2: lived in Ava, Missouri. He worked in Forsyth, which was 132 00:09:44,041 --> 00:09:47,281 Speaker 2: about a sixty minute commute down a two lane country highway. 133 00:09:47,961 --> 00:09:51,521 Speaker 2: This area is rural. Ava had a population of around 134 00:09:51,521 --> 00:09:54,721 Speaker 2: twenty nine hundred people in two thousand and seven, and 135 00:09:54,961 --> 00:09:59,521 Speaker 2: it's the only incorporated town in that county. Along that highway, 136 00:09:59,641 --> 00:10:04,121 Speaker 2: there are several even less populated communities. But there was 137 00:10:04,161 --> 00:10:06,841 Speaker 2: no evidence, at least from what police could figure out 138 00:10:06,881 --> 00:10:10,641 Speaker 2: early on, that Christopher knew Renee or had ever even 139 00:10:10,681 --> 00:10:15,161 Speaker 2: talked to her. Police had nothing concrete to Lincoln, so 140 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:16,321 Speaker 2: it seems. 141 00:10:15,921 --> 00:10:17,401 Speaker 3: That they dropped that lead. 142 00:10:18,241 --> 00:10:22,441 Speaker 2: Police scoured a huge area looking for Rene's body eighty 143 00:10:22,481 --> 00:10:25,881 Speaker 2: acres in total, but this was an area with a 144 00:10:25,921 --> 00:10:28,681 Speaker 2: lot of rough terrain, so it was very hard to search. 145 00:10:29,561 --> 00:10:32,281 Speaker 2: Police suspected that her body could have been dumped in 146 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:35,681 Speaker 2: a wooded area nearby. There are a lot of places 147 00:10:35,721 --> 00:10:37,721 Speaker 2: where a person could hide a body and it would 148 00:10:37,721 --> 00:10:39,241 Speaker 2: be difficult to search the whole thing. 149 00:10:40,401 --> 00:10:42,201 Speaker 3: Several other bodies have been. 150 00:10:42,041 --> 00:10:46,641 Speaker 2: Found in or near the Mark Twain National Forest. They 151 00:10:46,681 --> 00:10:49,761 Speaker 2: have included some cases that made national news, including the 152 00:10:49,801 --> 00:10:52,481 Speaker 2: two thousand and three murder of nineteen year old Becky Sutton. 153 00:10:53,161 --> 00:10:56,761 Speaker 2: Her remains were found in that forest. Eventually, her killer, 154 00:10:56,881 --> 00:11:00,321 Speaker 2: Philip Dodd, was caught and claimed that he strangled Becky 155 00:11:00,401 --> 00:11:04,881 Speaker 2: after she refused his sexual advances. In twenty sixteen, the 156 00:11:04,921 --> 00:11:09,001 Speaker 2: area made news again. John McLachlan murdered and dismembered his 157 00:11:09,081 --> 00:11:12,201 Speaker 2: wife Linda McLaughlin and dumped her body in the forest. 158 00:11:12,881 --> 00:11:15,401 Speaker 2: Police have found other bodies there that did not make 159 00:11:15,481 --> 00:11:19,441 Speaker 2: national news, and many others have gone missing in that 160 00:11:19,521 --> 00:11:24,641 Speaker 2: neck of the woods. As police investigated Renee's murder and 161 00:11:24,721 --> 00:11:28,121 Speaker 2: focused more on Christopher Reeback, a lot more came out 162 00:11:28,241 --> 00:11:32,200 Speaker 2: about his history, though there's not a ton of information about. 163 00:11:31,921 --> 00:11:35,481 Speaker 3: His early life out there. We do know he's from Wisconsin. 164 00:11:36,201 --> 00:11:39,161 Speaker 2: In high school, he met his future wife, Jennifer, and 165 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:42,281 Speaker 2: around the year two thousand, they moved together to Missouri. 166 00:11:43,961 --> 00:11:46,721 Speaker 2: Was a volunteer firefighter in Strafford from two thousand and 167 00:11:46,721 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 2: one to two thousand and three, and then he became 168 00:11:48,961 --> 00:11:52,641 Speaker 2: a paramedic. He worked as an EMT for the Teiney 169 00:11:52,681 --> 00:11:57,881 Speaker 2: County Ambulance District for six years. Eventually, Jennifer and Christopher 170 00:11:57,921 --> 00:12:01,401 Speaker 2: divorced and he met another woman named Joanna, who was 171 00:12:01,441 --> 00:12:05,801 Speaker 2: also from Wisconsin Rapids. Joanna and Christopher got married in 172 00:12:05,801 --> 00:12:09,121 Speaker 2: December of two thousand and six. According to media reports, 173 00:12:09,481 --> 00:12:14,241 Speaker 2: She also worked as an EMT. The ambulance director, Jeff Hawkins, 174 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:17,961 Speaker 2: who worked with Christopher, told reporters he was shocked by 175 00:12:18,001 --> 00:12:21,561 Speaker 2: the investigation into Christopher. He said Christopher was a good 176 00:12:21,561 --> 00:12:24,521 Speaker 2: worker and that he had no idea that his employee 177 00:12:24,721 --> 00:12:29,001 Speaker 2: could be hiding any kind of dark secrets. Jeff said, quote, 178 00:12:29,241 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 2: he never gave us any indication there were any problems. 179 00:12:32,401 --> 00:12:35,321 Speaker 2: He was reliable and we didn't have any problems with him. 180 00:12:35,641 --> 00:12:40,961 Speaker 2: This was a big surprise end quote. And Christopher Reevak 181 00:12:41,321 --> 00:12:44,801 Speaker 2: wasn't just from Wisconsin. He was from one Washington Rapids, 182 00:12:45,121 --> 00:12:49,721 Speaker 2: the same area where Deirdre harm was murdered, and when 183 00:12:49,721 --> 00:12:52,561 Speaker 2: police got the DNA test back from the blood found 184 00:12:52,601 --> 00:12:55,921 Speaker 2: at Renee Williams crime scene, they found that it was 185 00:12:56,001 --> 00:12:59,801 Speaker 2: a match to Christopher Reevack, So they started reinterviewing some 186 00:12:59,841 --> 00:13:02,121 Speaker 2: people they had talked to in the initial stages of 187 00:13:02,161 --> 00:13:03,761 Speaker 2: the investigation into. 188 00:13:03,561 --> 00:13:04,721 Speaker 3: Renee Williams murder. 189 00:13:05,881 --> 00:13:09,361 Speaker 2: They had already searched Christopher Reevack's house in two thousand 190 00:13:09,361 --> 00:13:12,961 Speaker 2: and seven and reportedly found blood that was a match 191 00:13:13,001 --> 00:13:16,281 Speaker 2: to Renee Williams on Christopher's vehicle, as well as on 192 00:13:16,321 --> 00:13:20,241 Speaker 2: a pair of pants taken from Christopher's home. At the time, 193 00:13:20,561 --> 00:13:24,361 Speaker 2: Douglas County deputies felt like they needed more evidence, so 194 00:13:24,401 --> 00:13:27,961 Speaker 2: they talked to Christopher's wife, Joanna, and she had some 195 00:13:28,041 --> 00:13:32,161 Speaker 2: shocking information to give them. When they confronted her with 196 00:13:32,241 --> 00:13:36,241 Speaker 2: the DNA evidence, Joanna told them quote, I did not 197 00:13:36,441 --> 00:13:40,921 Speaker 2: kill or help kill Renee Williams end quote. But she 198 00:13:41,081 --> 00:13:44,521 Speaker 2: did submit a twenty six page handwritten letter to the police. 199 00:13:45,081 --> 00:13:48,161 Speaker 2: In that letter, she admitted she had seen Renee's body 200 00:13:48,521 --> 00:13:51,121 Speaker 2: and that she had helped get rid of crucial evidence. 201 00:13:52,041 --> 00:13:55,081 Speaker 2: She said in the letter that Christopher got home at 202 00:13:55,121 --> 00:13:58,361 Speaker 2: around three forty five am on Tuesday, March thirteenth, two 203 00:13:58,401 --> 00:14:00,681 Speaker 2: thousand and seven, and that when he came home that 204 00:14:00,801 --> 00:14:02,121 Speaker 2: night he had an injury. 205 00:14:02,321 --> 00:14:03,321 Speaker 3: His finger was bleeding. 206 00:14:04,441 --> 00:14:07,401 Speaker 2: She wrote that Christopher told her that he'd slammed his 207 00:14:07,441 --> 00:14:10,321 Speaker 2: finger in the door of his truck, so she helped 208 00:14:10,361 --> 00:14:14,001 Speaker 2: put a bandage on it. Joanna told police that Christopher 209 00:14:14,041 --> 00:14:18,001 Speaker 2: admitted to hurting Renee A few days later. She said 210 00:14:18,081 --> 00:14:21,321 Speaker 2: Christopher told her that after the bar closed, he met 211 00:14:21,361 --> 00:14:24,641 Speaker 2: up with Renee outside. He claimed they were talking about 212 00:14:24,681 --> 00:14:28,601 Speaker 2: having sex. Christopher said he suggested taking Renee home to 213 00:14:28,601 --> 00:14:32,721 Speaker 2: meet Joanna, possibly to have a threesome. Now, at that point, 214 00:14:32,761 --> 00:14:35,121 Speaker 2: he said, Renee got very angry at him and started 215 00:14:35,201 --> 00:14:37,641 Speaker 2: hitting him and screaming and threatening to get him fired. 216 00:14:38,521 --> 00:14:41,601 Speaker 2: Christopher claimed at this point he was just trying to 217 00:14:41,641 --> 00:14:44,841 Speaker 2: calm her down and restrain her, so he said he 218 00:14:44,921 --> 00:14:47,761 Speaker 2: put Renee in a choke hold until she passed out. 219 00:14:48,881 --> 00:14:51,681 Speaker 2: Christopher claimed this was all an accident. He said he 220 00:14:51,801 --> 00:14:54,761 Speaker 2: checked Renee's pulse and tried to give her CPR, but 221 00:14:55,001 --> 00:14:55,321 Speaker 2: that it. 222 00:14:55,281 --> 00:14:57,121 Speaker 3: Was too late she was already dead. 223 00:14:58,081 --> 00:15:01,761 Speaker 2: He claimed he then panicked and instead of calling the police. 224 00:15:02,361 --> 00:15:05,761 Speaker 2: He decided to get rid of the body, so Christopher 225 00:15:05,801 --> 00:15:08,401 Speaker 2: put Renee's body into the bed of his truck and 226 00:15:08,481 --> 00:15:12,081 Speaker 2: started driving home along that route. He said he threw 227 00:15:12,121 --> 00:15:16,201 Speaker 2: her things out of the truck's window. When Christopher got 228 00:15:16,201 --> 00:15:19,641 Speaker 2: home and told Joanna what he claimed happened, she said 229 00:15:19,761 --> 00:15:23,161 Speaker 2: Christopher asked her for help. Christopher told her to drive 230 00:15:23,201 --> 00:15:26,121 Speaker 2: their other car, a Jeep two, in nearby area and 231 00:15:26,201 --> 00:15:29,601 Speaker 2: turn the headlights off, so Joanna said she did that. 232 00:15:30,241 --> 00:15:32,601 Speaker 2: She said she waited for Christopher there and that when 233 00:15:32,641 --> 00:15:35,321 Speaker 2: he arrived, he forced her to help him get rid 234 00:15:35,361 --> 00:15:38,841 Speaker 2: of Renee's body. Joanna wrote in the letter quote, I 235 00:15:38,921 --> 00:15:40,841 Speaker 2: knew that if I said no, he was going to 236 00:15:40,961 --> 00:15:43,401 Speaker 2: hurt me or possibly do to me what he did 237 00:15:43,401 --> 00:15:47,281 Speaker 2: to that girl. I was terrified. I agreed to do 238 00:15:47,481 --> 00:15:48,121 Speaker 2: as he said. 239 00:15:48,521 --> 00:15:49,001 Speaker 3: End quote. 240 00:15:50,001 --> 00:15:53,481 Speaker 2: Joanna also described what Renee was wearing. She said that 241 00:15:53,521 --> 00:15:56,721 Speaker 2: the body was face down with only light colored underwear 242 00:15:57,001 --> 00:16:00,961 Speaker 2: or tights on. This is purely my opinion, but this 243 00:16:01,081 --> 00:16:03,121 Speaker 2: detail jumps out to me a little bit because it 244 00:16:03,161 --> 00:16:06,921 Speaker 2: seems to defy logic. If this whole thing had been 245 00:16:06,961 --> 00:16:10,561 Speaker 2: some kind of an accident, as Christopher claimed, when and 246 00:16:10,721 --> 00:16:15,841 Speaker 2: how exactly did Renee become undressed. However, it's important to 247 00:16:15,881 --> 00:16:19,161 Speaker 2: note here Joanna has never been arrested or charged in 248 00:16:19,161 --> 00:16:22,961 Speaker 2: connection with Renee William's death or in connection with any 249 00:16:23,041 --> 00:16:27,561 Speaker 2: of Christopher Reevac's crimes. Joanna said when she saw the body, 250 00:16:27,641 --> 00:16:31,521 Speaker 2: she was horrified, but she said she did help Christopher 251 00:16:31,721 --> 00:16:35,401 Speaker 2: put Renee's body into the back of their jeep. After that, 252 00:16:35,921 --> 00:16:39,201 Speaker 2: Christopher covered Renee with a tarp and Joanna went home. 253 00:16:40,161 --> 00:16:42,641 Speaker 2: She wrote in her letter that she wanted to tell 254 00:16:42,681 --> 00:16:45,801 Speaker 2: police what she knew, but she felt that she couldn't 255 00:16:46,081 --> 00:16:49,281 Speaker 2: because she was in fear of her life. Joanna wrote 256 00:16:49,281 --> 00:16:53,361 Speaker 2: in the letter quote, I held Sergeant Wieman's card in 257 00:16:53,481 --> 00:16:56,881 Speaker 2: my hand and told myself I have to call, but 258 00:16:56,921 --> 00:17:00,161 Speaker 2: I couldn't. My whole world was crashing in on me. 259 00:17:00,841 --> 00:17:03,921 Speaker 2: I was terrified that Sergeant Widman wouldn't believe me that 260 00:17:04,120 --> 00:17:07,801 Speaker 2: I had absolutely nothing to do with her death, especially 261 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 2: after helping him get her in the car. I couldn't 262 00:17:10,761 --> 00:17:14,721 Speaker 2: bring myself to call him. I was terrified. End quote. 263 00:17:15,120 --> 00:17:18,640 Speaker 2: Joanna also confessed to having helped Christopher after the fact. 264 00:17:19,241 --> 00:17:22,281 Speaker 2: She said she drove towards Springfield and dumped some evidence 265 00:17:22,721 --> 00:17:26,001 Speaker 2: tarps and a piece of carpeting from the jeep in 266 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:31,481 Speaker 2: two two separate dumpsters. According to media reports, authorities did 267 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:34,921 Speaker 2: act on this information that Joanna gave them and searched 268 00:17:34,921 --> 00:17:35,400 Speaker 2: in the area. 269 00:17:35,521 --> 00:17:36,201 Speaker 3: She described. 270 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:39,241 Speaker 2: They even rented a back hod to dig up the ground, 271 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:42,801 Speaker 2: but they never found any evidence of Rene's remains. 272 00:17:43,360 --> 00:17:44,961 Speaker 3: Would the County Sheriff's. 273 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:49,321 Speaker 2: Department Detective Lieutenant Scott Goldberg told Channel seven News that 274 00:17:49,441 --> 00:17:52,561 Speaker 2: police are open to the possibility there may be more 275 00:17:52,641 --> 00:17:56,321 Speaker 2: victims out there. He said he believes it's possible that 276 00:17:56,441 --> 00:18:00,201 Speaker 2: Christopher killed other women, but also he believes there could 277 00:18:00,281 --> 00:18:03,441 Speaker 2: be other victims out there who Christopher attacked who may 278 00:18:03,481 --> 00:18:07,001 Speaker 2: still be alive. If there are, he said he hopes 279 00:18:07,041 --> 00:18:11,201 Speaker 2: to be able to find them. Lieutenant Goldberg also told 280 00:18:11,241 --> 00:18:15,120 Speaker 2: the news channel the information obtained from Joanna made the 281 00:18:15,161 --> 00:18:18,921 Speaker 2: authorities believe there was a quote sexual element to Christopher's 282 00:18:18,961 --> 00:18:23,441 Speaker 2: crimes end quote. On July twenty fifth, two thousand and nine, 283 00:18:23,721 --> 00:18:26,920 Speaker 2: Christopher Reevac was arrested at his home and charged with 284 00:18:27,041 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 2: Renee Williams's murder. Police tried to question him, but he 285 00:18:30,921 --> 00:18:34,001 Speaker 2: reportedly stayed very calm and quiet and asked for his lawyer. 286 00:18:35,121 --> 00:18:38,080 Speaker 2: But then there was another shocking development in the case 287 00:18:38,281 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 2: when the very next day, July twenty six, two thousand 288 00:18:41,881 --> 00:18:46,160 Speaker 2: and nine, Christopher for Revac hanged himself from his prison 289 00:18:46,241 --> 00:19:01,761 Speaker 2: uniform in his cell. Christopher Revac was dead on July 290 00:19:01,881 --> 00:19:04,921 Speaker 2: twenty sixth, two thousand and nine, a few days after 291 00:19:05,001 --> 00:19:09,241 Speaker 2: he'd been charged with Renee Williams murder. Christopher Revac died 292 00:19:09,281 --> 00:19:14,201 Speaker 2: by suicide after hanging himself in his cell. Police believed 293 00:19:14,201 --> 00:19:17,281 Speaker 2: they had enough evidence to convict him, but now he 294 00:19:17,481 --> 00:19:21,681 Speaker 2: never had to face justice, and Renee's family didn't get 295 00:19:21,681 --> 00:19:25,881 Speaker 2: any of their questions answered. But in two thousand and nine, 296 00:19:26,241 --> 00:19:28,440 Speaker 2: a new sheriff took over in Douglas County. 297 00:19:28,801 --> 00:19:30,161 Speaker 3: His name was CHRISTA. Gase. 298 00:19:31,121 --> 00:19:34,561 Speaker 2: Even though the Renee Williams case was closed, he began 299 00:19:34,641 --> 00:19:38,481 Speaker 2: looking into similar cases that he believed Christopher Revac may 300 00:19:38,521 --> 00:19:39,281 Speaker 2: have been involved with. 301 00:19:40,321 --> 00:19:40,761 Speaker 3: Christa. 302 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:43,400 Speaker 2: Gase told a local news station that he took what 303 00:19:43,401 --> 00:19:47,561 Speaker 2: he did described as an unconventional approach by doing a 304 00:19:47,641 --> 00:19:50,881 Speaker 2: ton of research on his own. Chris To Gase discovered 305 00:19:50,961 --> 00:19:55,201 Speaker 2: three unsolved killings in two different states, killings that he 306 00:19:55,321 --> 00:19:58,921 Speaker 2: believed were strikingly similar to the one in Ava. 307 00:19:59,041 --> 00:19:59,880 Speaker 3: So CHRISTA. 308 00:19:59,961 --> 00:20:02,601 Speaker 2: Gase got in touch with law enforcement in both states. 309 00:20:03,201 --> 00:20:07,321 Speaker 2: An found connections between Christopher Reevak's known movements and the 310 00:20:07,401 --> 00:20:11,281 Speaker 2: dates when the victims disappeared. One of the cases that 311 00:20:11,361 --> 00:20:15,321 Speaker 2: Christa Gase looked at was Dedre harm. That case, as 312 00:20:15,361 --> 00:20:17,841 Speaker 2: we said, seemed to have hit a complete dead end 313 00:20:18,561 --> 00:20:22,961 Speaker 2: in Wisconsin. Wood County Sheriff Shaan Becker told New Channel 314 00:20:23,001 --> 00:20:26,201 Speaker 2: seven in November of twenty twenty four that back in 315 00:20:26,241 --> 00:20:30,561 Speaker 2: the day, police considered several suspects, including someone who Didre 316 00:20:30,601 --> 00:20:33,721 Speaker 2: had bought drugs from, but he admitted the leeds had 317 00:20:33,721 --> 00:20:36,121 Speaker 2: basically dried up when they got that call from Chris 318 00:20:36,161 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 2: to Gase, and Christa Gase was able to establish that 319 00:20:40,241 --> 00:20:43,281 Speaker 2: not only was Christopher Reevac from that area in Wisconsin, 320 00:20:44,041 --> 00:20:47,721 Speaker 2: but Christopher Revac had been in the same bar as 321 00:20:47,761 --> 00:20:51,761 Speaker 2: Deirdre on the night she disappeared. Christa Gase wrote on 322 00:20:51,801 --> 00:20:55,841 Speaker 2: Facebook quote, as I was working on the Renee Williams homicide, 323 00:20:56,161 --> 00:20:58,801 Speaker 2: I did not believe this was the first time Christopher 324 00:20:58,801 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 2: Revac had committed a murder. After obtaining Revac's history and 325 00:21:03,161 --> 00:21:06,761 Speaker 2: places he had lived, I began Google searching women abducted 326 00:21:06,761 --> 00:21:10,721 Speaker 2: from bars. That Google search for women abducted from bars 327 00:21:10,801 --> 00:21:14,641 Speaker 2: in Wisconsin Rapids resulted in an article about Dedra Harm's 328 00:21:14,641 --> 00:21:18,400 Speaker 2: abduction with a composite drawing of the last person she 329 00:21:18,521 --> 00:21:21,401 Speaker 2: was seen with. There was no doubt in my mind 330 00:21:21,481 --> 00:21:25,681 Speaker 2: that it was Christopher Revac. I contacted the Wood County 331 00:21:25,721 --> 00:21:29,241 Speaker 2: Sheriff's office and was Conson Rapids PD and provided. 332 00:21:28,801 --> 00:21:30,241 Speaker 3: Them with the suspects. 333 00:21:30,321 --> 00:21:33,481 Speaker 2: I was able to obtain records from Revac's work that 334 00:21:33,641 --> 00:21:36,521 Speaker 2: placed him in was conson Rapids at the time of 335 00:21:36,601 --> 00:21:42,201 Speaker 2: Deedra's abduction. Now nineteen years after her murder, Revac has 336 00:21:42,241 --> 00:21:47,121 Speaker 2: been identified as her killer. Quote. In addition to these 337 00:21:47,161 --> 00:21:52,401 Speaker 2: circumstances surrounding the disappearances, we should also note that the 338 00:21:52,481 --> 00:21:58,321 Speaker 2: Renee Williams composite sketch looked almost identical to Christopher Reevack. 339 00:22:00,041 --> 00:22:03,400 Speaker 2: Christopher's wife, Joanna, was also able to fill in some 340 00:22:03,441 --> 00:22:06,920 Speaker 2: of the gaps around the Dedra Harm investigation. Joanna had 341 00:22:06,961 --> 00:22:10,120 Speaker 2: told police she and Christopher had traveled back to Wisconsin, 342 00:22:10,241 --> 00:22:13,561 Speaker 2: where they were both from several times, and she was 343 00:22:13,601 --> 00:22:16,801 Speaker 2: also able to confirm some dates and confirmed a police 344 00:22:16,801 --> 00:22:19,841 Speaker 2: that they were on a trip back to Washington Rapids 345 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:22,281 Speaker 2: with their daughter during the dates. 346 00:22:21,961 --> 00:22:23,721 Speaker 3: When Deirdre Harm disappeared from the bar. 347 00:22:25,161 --> 00:22:28,881 Speaker 2: Joanna told investigators her husband had gone out by himself 348 00:22:28,961 --> 00:22:31,801 Speaker 2: one night during that trip. She said he left around 349 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:35,801 Speaker 2: sunset and didn't come home until around five am, and 350 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:39,281 Speaker 2: when he did finally come home, Joanna said, Christopher was 351 00:22:39,321 --> 00:22:42,961 Speaker 2: covered in mud. He told her his truck got stuck 352 00:22:43,001 --> 00:22:44,441 Speaker 2: in the mud and he had to dig it out. 353 00:22:45,001 --> 00:22:47,681 Speaker 2: Joanna said that his truck and his clothing were both 354 00:22:47,761 --> 00:22:51,521 Speaker 2: so filthy that he washed them twice, and there was 355 00:22:51,561 --> 00:22:55,241 Speaker 2: something else she said that was weirdly memorable. Joanna said 356 00:22:55,241 --> 00:22:57,321 Speaker 2: there was a family party during that visit and that 357 00:22:57,401 --> 00:23:01,681 Speaker 2: after the party, Christopher insisted Joanna cut his hair short 358 00:23:01,761 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 2: so he had a totally different look, and then he 359 00:23:05,241 --> 00:23:07,281 Speaker 2: dressed up in the same clothes they'd been out at 360 00:23:07,321 --> 00:23:10,601 Speaker 2: the party and made all of their relatives retake all 361 00:23:10,641 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 2: of the photos with his new haircut, and she said he. 362 00:23:14,681 --> 00:23:16,201 Speaker 3: Made them delete the originals. 363 00:23:18,241 --> 00:23:21,521 Speaker 2: Joanna said Christopher had anger issues and that when he drank, 364 00:23:21,601 --> 00:23:25,561 Speaker 2: he got aggressive. Police also talked to one of Christopher's 365 00:23:25,561 --> 00:23:28,321 Speaker 2: friends from high school, who said that Chris was triggered 366 00:23:28,441 --> 00:23:32,761 Speaker 2: when women rejected him and that he could become very angry. 367 00:23:32,921 --> 00:23:36,041 Speaker 2: Could that have happened in the case of Dedra harm 368 00:23:36,521 --> 00:23:39,721 Speaker 2: The area where Deirdre's body was found may also provide 369 00:23:39,721 --> 00:23:43,641 Speaker 2: some clues. News Channel seven did an interview with Sheriff Beck, 370 00:23:44,201 --> 00:23:46,841 Speaker 2: who told them that the remote area where Dedra's body 371 00:23:46,921 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 2: was found was a party spot for teens and a 372 00:23:49,881 --> 00:23:53,161 Speaker 2: place for hanging out, but also for dumping trash. 373 00:23:53,441 --> 00:23:54,721 Speaker 3: He said that it was also. 374 00:23:54,481 --> 00:23:59,120 Speaker 2: An area where people regularly ride ATVs. Apparently Christopher had 375 00:23:59,161 --> 00:24:02,081 Speaker 2: partied there in the past and also had an ATV 376 00:24:02,441 --> 00:24:05,400 Speaker 2: that he liked to borrow from his brother. News Channel 377 00:24:05,441 --> 00:24:08,561 Speaker 2: seven reported that the ATV had, according to the sheriff, 378 00:24:09,041 --> 00:24:13,801 Speaker 2: been seen around town on the night Deedre disappeared. Chris 379 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:16,721 Speaker 2: de Gay says he believes there is a very high 380 00:24:16,801 --> 00:24:20,761 Speaker 2: probability that Christopher Reeback was involved in even more murders 381 00:24:20,881 --> 00:24:22,321 Speaker 2: than the ones he's already found. 382 00:24:23,121 --> 00:24:24,881 Speaker 3: He can't say exactly how many. 383 00:24:24,801 --> 00:24:27,441 Speaker 2: Or give details because a lot of them are still 384 00:24:27,561 --> 00:24:31,680 Speaker 2: ongoing investigations, but we do have some details for at 385 00:24:31,721 --> 00:24:36,120 Speaker 2: least one, a nineteen ninety five murder in Mason City, Iowa. 386 00:24:37,321 --> 00:24:41,081 Speaker 2: The disappearance of twenty seven year old Jodi Housenttrute had 387 00:24:41,121 --> 00:24:45,360 Speaker 2: been a mystery for decades. Jody was a local news anchor. 388 00:24:45,921 --> 00:24:49,561 Speaker 2: She anchored the six am news, so her day started early. 389 00:24:50,281 --> 00:24:53,521 Speaker 2: On June twenty seventh, nineteen ninety five, she didn't show 390 00:24:53,601 --> 00:24:57,401 Speaker 2: up at her usual start time three am, so Jody's producer, 391 00:24:57,521 --> 00:24:59,161 Speaker 2: Amy called her to wake her up. 392 00:24:59,761 --> 00:25:01,481 Speaker 3: This was at around four am. 393 00:25:02,161 --> 00:25:07,481 Speaker 2: Apparently Jody did sometimes oversleep, so this part wasn't totally 394 00:25:07,481 --> 00:25:09,441 Speaker 2: out of the ordinary. But what was out of the 395 00:25:09,521 --> 00:25:12,321 Speaker 2: ordinary was when Jody didn't answer her phone at all, 396 00:25:12,521 --> 00:25:15,160 Speaker 2: when Amy made a second phone call, and when she 397 00:25:15,201 --> 00:25:18,961 Speaker 2: didn't arrive for work. Jody's apartment was only five minutes away, 398 00:25:19,241 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 2: so Amy knew something was very wrong. 399 00:25:22,441 --> 00:25:24,081 Speaker 3: Sometimes Jody would be a little. 400 00:25:23,921 --> 00:25:26,961 Speaker 2: Bit late, but she was always there with her act 401 00:25:26,961 --> 00:25:28,961 Speaker 2: together by the time she was on the air at 402 00:25:29,001 --> 00:25:34,201 Speaker 2: six am. At first, police didn't immediately suspect foul play. 403 00:25:34,681 --> 00:25:37,201 Speaker 3: They reportedly believed that maybe she had. 404 00:25:37,041 --> 00:25:40,681 Speaker 2: Gone somewhere on her own, but when police arrived on 405 00:25:40,721 --> 00:25:44,281 Speaker 2: the scene at Jody's apartment complex, they found on signs 406 00:25:44,281 --> 00:25:45,361 Speaker 2: of a potential struggle. 407 00:25:45,601 --> 00:25:48,561 Speaker 3: Next to her red Miata. They found Jody's. 408 00:25:48,241 --> 00:25:51,561 Speaker 2: Shoes, a blow dryer, and her car key, which was bent. 409 00:25:52,881 --> 00:25:55,521 Speaker 2: They treated Jody's case as a kidnapping, and they searched 410 00:25:55,561 --> 00:25:59,441 Speaker 2: for her everywhere. Jody was beautiful and friendly and had 411 00:25:59,481 --> 00:26:02,161 Speaker 2: a public facing job, so a lot of people knew 412 00:26:02,161 --> 00:26:05,640 Speaker 2: who she was. That meant police were dealing with a 413 00:26:05,801 --> 00:26:10,761 Speaker 2: large pool of potential suspects. Police were trying to figure 414 00:26:10,761 --> 00:26:13,360 Speaker 2: out if Jody's abductor had been someone she knew or 415 00:26:13,441 --> 00:26:17,081 Speaker 2: a stranger, But despite a lot of tips and police 416 00:26:17,121 --> 00:26:20,681 Speaker 2: investigating several leads, including a friend of hers who was 417 00:26:20,681 --> 00:26:23,840 Speaker 2: hanging out with her the night before she disappeared, nothing 418 00:26:23,881 --> 00:26:27,440 Speaker 2: ever panned out. No sign of Jody was ever found. 419 00:26:28,041 --> 00:26:33,281 Speaker 2: For three decades, the case was still unsolved, but then 420 00:26:34,241 --> 00:26:39,401 Speaker 2: Chris Degas in his investigation, showed that Christopher Reevak had 421 00:26:39,481 --> 00:26:43,961 Speaker 2: ties to Mason City. Chris de Gaze told KYFE three 422 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:47,561 Speaker 2: news that Christopher had previously been a person of interest 423 00:26:47,561 --> 00:26:51,640 Speaker 2: in Jody's disappearance. He said at that time Christopher had 424 00:26:51,641 --> 00:26:55,120 Speaker 2: a girlfriend, someone who lived very close to Jody, and 425 00:26:55,161 --> 00:26:59,160 Speaker 2: that after his investigation, he believed it's highly likely, based 426 00:26:59,201 --> 00:27:01,681 Speaker 2: on just Christopher's proximity to her. 427 00:27:01,921 --> 00:27:03,561 Speaker 3: That he killed Jody. 428 00:27:04,281 --> 00:27:08,521 Speaker 2: In December of last year, Sergeant Terrence Perchaska, the lead 429 00:27:08,561 --> 00:27:12,521 Speaker 2: investigator on the Jody Housen truth case, traveled to Wisconsin 430 00:27:12,601 --> 00:27:16,041 Speaker 2: to meet with investigators overseeing the dedre harm case and 431 00:27:16,161 --> 00:27:20,400 Speaker 2: to compare notes on Christopher Revack. The most compelling thread 432 00:27:20,441 --> 00:27:24,041 Speaker 2: that tied Christopher Reevac to Jody Housen truth is the 433 00:27:24,041 --> 00:27:27,961 Speaker 2: fact that Christopher's first wife, then his girlfriend, Jennifer, was 434 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:32,001 Speaker 2: living in Mason City in nineteen ninety five when Jody disappeared. 435 00:27:33,161 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 2: Jennifer and Chris, as we said before, got married and 436 00:27:36,121 --> 00:27:40,441 Speaker 2: eventually moved down to Missouri, but Jennifer didn't stay there 437 00:27:40,481 --> 00:27:43,721 Speaker 2: the whole time. At one point, according to what Christopher's 438 00:27:43,721 --> 00:27:47,001 Speaker 2: his brother said, Jennifer lived in Mason City, the same 439 00:27:47,041 --> 00:27:51,161 Speaker 2: town as Jody, and Jennifer apparently lived in the same 440 00:27:51,281 --> 00:27:55,120 Speaker 2: duplex as Jody's close friend John, the last known person 441 00:27:55,201 --> 00:28:00,321 Speaker 2: to see Jody alive. According to Sergeant Prechaska, Jennifer moved 442 00:28:00,361 --> 00:28:03,961 Speaker 2: out of John's building three months before Jody disappeared, and 443 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:08,441 Speaker 2: Jennifer also told police Christopher never visited her during that time. 444 00:28:08,881 --> 00:28:12,200 Speaker 2: So there's no definitive proof that Christopher Reevac was in 445 00:28:12,241 --> 00:28:16,401 Speaker 2: Mason City, but investigators have said they believe Christopher may 446 00:28:16,441 --> 00:28:18,161 Speaker 2: have traveled there to look for Jennifer. 447 00:28:18,921 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 3: At that time. 448 00:28:19,681 --> 00:28:22,681 Speaker 2: Apparently they had split up, and they believe he may 449 00:28:22,681 --> 00:28:25,801 Speaker 2: have been looking for her at that address, maybe because 450 00:28:25,801 --> 00:28:29,761 Speaker 2: he didn't know she had already moved out. Investigators believe 451 00:28:29,961 --> 00:28:33,721 Speaker 2: if Christopher was hanging around that apartment complex, there's a 452 00:28:33,721 --> 00:28:36,400 Speaker 2: possibility that he could have run into Jody at some 453 00:28:36,521 --> 00:28:39,641 Speaker 2: point and started stalking her. It would not have been 454 00:28:39,721 --> 00:28:42,121 Speaker 2: hard to figure out Jody's work schedule, she was on 455 00:28:42,241 --> 00:28:47,601 Speaker 2: a very regular routine. Christa Gase, the investigator, said that 456 00:28:47,721 --> 00:28:49,481 Speaker 2: he didn't believe in coincidence. 457 00:28:49,841 --> 00:28:52,201 Speaker 3: Christopher was a suspected serial. 458 00:28:51,961 --> 00:28:55,241 Speaker 2: Killer and he had a connection to the address next door, 459 00:28:55,761 --> 00:28:58,521 Speaker 2: So just based on that, Christa Gase thought there was 460 00:28:58,561 --> 00:29:00,801 Speaker 2: a high probability that Jody. 461 00:29:00,801 --> 00:29:03,041 Speaker 3: Was another one of Christopher Revac's victims. 462 00:29:05,801 --> 00:29:09,001 Speaker 2: The only thing that's an outlier in Jody's case was 463 00:29:09,041 --> 00:29:11,801 Speaker 2: the time of day. She wasn't abducted late at night 464 00:29:11,881 --> 00:29:14,481 Speaker 2: after closing time in a bar. She was abducted at 465 00:29:14,481 --> 00:29:18,001 Speaker 2: the crack of dawn. But presumably her killer knew that 466 00:29:18,041 --> 00:29:21,081 Speaker 2: the parking lot would be fairly deserted in the early 467 00:29:21,121 --> 00:29:26,041 Speaker 2: morning hours of June twenty seventh, nineteen ninety five. So 468 00:29:27,001 --> 00:29:38,721 Speaker 2: what's next with these investigations? 469 00:29:40,641 --> 00:29:41,601 Speaker 3: What's next with. 470 00:29:41,561 --> 00:29:46,641 Speaker 2: These Investigations instigator CHRISTA Gase said that he is following 471 00:29:46,681 --> 00:29:50,081 Speaker 2: police protocol to move toward the Renee Williams case being 472 00:29:50,081 --> 00:29:54,281 Speaker 2: officially closed. I think that this investigation is a great 473 00:29:54,321 --> 00:29:58,161 Speaker 2: example of how a police officer, CHRISTA Gase went. 474 00:29:58,001 --> 00:29:58,841 Speaker 3: Above and beyond. 475 00:29:59,481 --> 00:30:03,041 Speaker 2: His case was already officially closed, but he went that 476 00:30:03,161 --> 00:30:06,201 Speaker 2: extra step to try to bring justice and closure to 477 00:30:06,281 --> 00:30:09,681 Speaker 2: family members desperately in need of answers, which I'm sure 478 00:30:09,801 --> 00:30:14,401 Speaker 2: they will never forget. Deirdre Harm's case is also on 479 00:30:14,521 --> 00:30:18,601 Speaker 2: its way to being officially closed. On Monday, October twentieth, 480 00:30:18,641 --> 00:30:21,921 Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, the Wood County Sheriff's office posted a 481 00:30:22,001 --> 00:30:25,801 Speaker 2: letter on Facebook from the local district attorney, Jonathan Barnett. 482 00:30:26,241 --> 00:30:30,161 Speaker 2: He wrote, quote, I consider this case closed. I believe 483 00:30:30,281 --> 00:30:32,761 Speaker 2: I had enough to charge and if mister Reevak was 484 00:30:32,761 --> 00:30:34,841 Speaker 2: still alive to win at trial. 485 00:30:35,201 --> 00:30:37,161 Speaker 3: End quote. CHRISTA. 486 00:30:37,201 --> 00:30:41,361 Speaker 2: Gase also talked to reporters about his insights into Christopher Reeback. 487 00:30:42,081 --> 00:30:44,641 Speaker 2: He said he was interested in the way that Christopher 488 00:30:44,641 --> 00:30:47,801 Speaker 2: had covered things up and the extent he went to 489 00:30:47,921 --> 00:30:51,521 Speaker 2: hide things. He said quote, it was obvious he was 490 00:30:51,601 --> 00:30:56,241 Speaker 2: leading a double second life end quote. Christa Gase told 491 00:30:56,281 --> 00:30:59,521 Speaker 2: the news channel KY three. Quote, We're dealing with what's 492 00:30:59,561 --> 00:31:02,961 Speaker 2: possibly a serial killer. During his day, he's doing his 493 00:31:03,041 --> 00:31:06,201 Speaker 2: deed to society and helping people and saving people. But 494 00:31:06,321 --> 00:31:09,801 Speaker 2: there was a dark side to Christopher Revac end quote. 495 00:31:10,921 --> 00:31:12,561 Speaker 3: Douglas County Sheriff CHRISTA. 496 00:31:12,601 --> 00:31:14,481 Speaker 2: Gaze has said he is happy that they have been 497 00:31:14,521 --> 00:31:17,481 Speaker 2: able to identify some of Christopher Reevack's victims so far 498 00:31:18,001 --> 00:31:21,721 Speaker 2: and hopefully to bring closure to their families. He wrote 499 00:31:21,801 --> 00:31:25,201 Speaker 2: on social media, quote, this is why I do this job. 500 00:31:25,641 --> 00:31:27,601 Speaker 2: I am happy that I could be a small part 501 00:31:27,601 --> 00:31:30,921 Speaker 2: of this investigation to bring justice and hopefully some closure. 502 00:31:31,641 --> 00:31:32,121 Speaker 3: End quote. 503 00:31:33,441 --> 00:31:38,361 Speaker 2: But the investigation into Christopher Reevac is still continuing. Investigators 504 00:31:38,401 --> 00:31:42,121 Speaker 2: still don't have concrete proof about when or if he 505 00:31:42,201 --> 00:31:45,001 Speaker 2: was in Mason City around the time when Jody disappeared 506 00:31:45,321 --> 00:31:49,441 Speaker 2: on June twenty seventh, nineteen ninety five. It has been 507 00:31:49,481 --> 00:31:52,241 Speaker 2: reported that they do have evidence indicating he was in 508 00:31:52,281 --> 00:31:56,201 Speaker 2: Wisconsin on June seventeenth and on July ninth, nineteen ninety five, 509 00:31:56,961 --> 00:31:59,440 Speaker 2: but there are a lot of dates missing in between 510 00:31:59,561 --> 00:32:04,121 Speaker 2: that police just aren't sure about. So Jody's investigation is 511 00:32:04,201 --> 00:32:09,201 Speaker 2: still open. Finally, could there be more victims? Out there. 512 00:32:09,601 --> 00:32:12,561 Speaker 2: Police and social media sleuths have been going through past 513 00:32:12,641 --> 00:32:16,921 Speaker 2: cases looking for similarities. Two of Chris's victims were last 514 00:32:16,921 --> 00:32:22,241 Speaker 2: seen either in or outside bars at closing time. Renee 515 00:32:22,241 --> 00:32:24,561 Speaker 2: was an employee of the bar, Deirdre was a customer. 516 00:32:25,161 --> 00:32:27,681 Speaker 2: As we said before, Jody was the only outlier. She 517 00:32:27,721 --> 00:32:30,521 Speaker 2: was leaving for work, but it was once again in 518 00:32:30,561 --> 00:32:34,681 Speaker 2: a deserted parking lot. Some online commenters have pointed to 519 00:32:34,681 --> 00:32:38,201 Speaker 2: another case, a twenty year old woman named Crystal Ehrensdorff, 520 00:32:38,401 --> 00:32:40,721 Speaker 2: who went missing after a night out with friends at 521 00:32:40,761 --> 00:32:45,121 Speaker 2: a bar in downtown Dubuque, Iowa. They were watching fireworks 522 00:32:45,121 --> 00:32:47,960 Speaker 2: because it was July fourth, two thousand and one, and 523 00:32:48,001 --> 00:32:52,561 Speaker 2: then she never came home. Police questioned Cristel's boyfriend and 524 00:32:52,601 --> 00:32:55,601 Speaker 2: some of her friends, and apparently they were all cleared. 525 00:32:56,521 --> 00:32:59,161 Speaker 2: Christopher Reevac would have been twenty eight years old at 526 00:32:59,161 --> 00:33:06,081 Speaker 2: the time. The news channel KCRG reported on the similarities 527 00:33:06,121 --> 00:33:10,081 Speaker 2: between Crystal's disappearance and Christopher's other victims and stated in 528 00:33:10,121 --> 00:33:13,601 Speaker 2: an article that they had contacted the Dubukee Police Department 529 00:33:13,801 --> 00:33:17,841 Speaker 2: with the information they compiled. There's a lot we still 530 00:33:17,881 --> 00:33:21,281 Speaker 2: don't know about Christopher Reevac's life and a lot of 531 00:33:21,361 --> 00:33:25,681 Speaker 2: missing years. The Wood County Sheriff's Department has publicly stated 532 00:33:26,001 --> 00:33:29,201 Speaker 2: that they would like any victims of Christopher's or anyone 533 00:33:29,201 --> 00:33:32,641 Speaker 2: who encountered him to come forward, and Sheriff CHRISTA. Gase 534 00:33:33,081 --> 00:33:36,681 Speaker 2: told The Columbia, Missouri that Christopher Revac could be tied 535 00:33:36,721 --> 00:33:40,161 Speaker 2: to as many as four other cases in several different states. 536 00:33:41,081 --> 00:33:45,441 Speaker 2: There could be more dead bodies still out there. I'm 537 00:33:45,521 --> 00:33:50,441 Speaker 2: Katherine Townsend. This is Helen Gone Murder Line. Helen Gone 538 00:33:50,521 --> 00:33:52,521 Speaker 2: Murder Line is a production of School of Humans and 539 00:33:52,561 --> 00:33:56,561 Speaker 2: iHeart Podcasts. 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