1 00:00:01,480 --> 00:00:03,560 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to The Doug Gotleep Show podcast. Be 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:06,280 Speaker 1: sure to catch us live every weekday three to twelve 3 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 1: two Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. Find your local station 4 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:12,880 Speaker 1: for The Doug Gottlieb Show at Foxsports Radio dot com, 5 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 1: or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app 6 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:17,600 Speaker 1: by searching apps car. 7 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:21,919 Speaker 2: Oh, you know, things got weird sitting in for Doug Gottlieb. 8 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:26,720 Speaker 2: It's fucking fits. He's buck rising up, Jason Fitz. They're 9 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:29,320 Speaker 2: letting the kids come in and play with the adults 10 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 2: at the big grown up table. I don't know how 11 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:33,839 Speaker 2: we feel about this, Buck. It's gonna be a little interesting. 12 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 2: We're gonna be with Fox Sports Radio today. We're gonna 13 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 2: be with Fox Sports Radio in the morning. Are we 14 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:42,240 Speaker 2: kicked out of the holiday gathering by the end of 15 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 2: the week. Only time will tell. But what I know. 16 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:46,879 Speaker 2: What I know is that we will not give the 17 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 2: grace of time. We will not give the grace of patience. 18 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:53,480 Speaker 2: We will not give the grace of just stepping back 19 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 2: and letting things be when it comes to the Cleveland 20 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 2: Browns quarterback situation, and to me, my friend, it is 21 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 2: the biggest, wildest and grossest storyline in preseason football. Here's 22 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:10,039 Speaker 2: the real headline. Fifth round quarterback pick performs well and 23 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:13,199 Speaker 2: is still fourth on the depth chart. That's it. That's 24 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:14,959 Speaker 2: the end of it. But no, it can't be the 25 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:17,320 Speaker 2: end of it because it's Shadore Sanders, and that means 26 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 2: the takes are flying everywhere, Buck Rising, Jason Fits hanging 27 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 2: out with you for Doug Gottlieb on the Doug Gottlieb Show. 28 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:25,119 Speaker 2: I'm just tired of it. I'm exhausted. I don't care. 29 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:28,039 Speaker 2: You know what. Here's the thing. Maybe I'm worked up 30 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 2: because I'm already hours into my day. Maybe when worked 31 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 2: up because you're sitting in Atlanta just enjoying wings from 32 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 2: a particular establishment. I don't know, but I'm worked up today. 33 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 2: And I'm worked up because Shador Sanders goes out and 34 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 2: plays well in the preseason game, which is great, that's awesome. 35 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 2: I'm rooting for that. It's wonderful. Can't it just be that? 36 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 2: Why does it have to suddenly mean anything else? Because 37 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 2: I see all of these social media reports telling me, 38 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 2: oh my god, the Browns don't have a healthy quarterback 39 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 2: and what are they doing in Shador might not be 40 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 2: able to play this weekend, and I keep looking around saying, guys, 41 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 2: the starting quarterback of the Cleveland Browns is Joe Flacco, 42 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 2: and he's fine, He's gonna play week one. All of 43 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 2: this is over somebody that's not even gonna play at 44 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 2: the beginning of the season. Why do we care so much? 45 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 3: Well, for the same reason, FITZI that I care to 46 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 3: get my wings from a strip club in Atlanta as 47 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 3: opposed to from any other establishment in the world, because 48 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:21,920 Speaker 3: sometimes you just gotta have a little extra pizazz on things. 49 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:25,960 Speaker 3: And Shadoor brings the club. I mean you said a 50 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 3: particular establishment. I don't know what you're scared of. It's 51 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:30,799 Speaker 3: it's Atlanta, baby, People go there for a happy hour 52 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:32,520 Speaker 3: on a Monday. Magic City, you know the drill. 53 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:35,640 Speaker 2: But well you're just presumed. Look, Cheatahs is better than 54 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:37,919 Speaker 2: Magic City, by the way. I mean, I don't know 55 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 2: if we're talking about the Wings anymore. I go ahead, 56 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 2: go ahead. 57 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:47,079 Speaker 3: No, I'm just saying like, sometimes the presentation is as 58 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 3: much as as much a part of the story as 59 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 3: is the actual product itself. And Shadoor, whatever he is 60 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 3: at this particular point in time, which is very much 61 00:02:57,240 --> 00:02:59,639 Speaker 3: fourth on the depth chart of the Cleveland Browns that 62 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 3: seemed to have seventeen different quarterbacks flying around the place 63 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:07,119 Speaker 3: at any given point. He presented pretty well. And if 64 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 3: America's only exposure beyond training camp tweets and reports and 65 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 3: things like that is Shador Sanders preseason debut, then how 66 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 3: could you possibly blame people for trying to detach themselves 67 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 3: for what their eyes are directly seeing, which is a 68 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 3: kid that went out there and tore it up and 69 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 3: had way more of a live arm than anybody expected 70 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 3: to Shador Sanders to have and understanding against preseason, and 71 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 3: they're not scheming things up, and that if you don't 72 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 3: look good during preseason, that's a bigger story as we 73 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 3: could talk about with some of these players, although all 74 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 3: four of the quarterbacks that are largely in the discussion 75 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 3: that are most discussed at this point in time seem 76 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 3: like they had a pretty nice first outing. I'll cover 77 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 3: cam Ward, the number one overall draft pick, tomorrow here 78 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 3: in Atlanta against the Falcons, and we'll see how much 79 00:03:56,080 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 3: more legs that has. But listen, I cover cam Ward. 80 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 3: He's spectacularly boring in everything that he does. And that's great, 81 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 3: that's wonderful. That's exactly what a dysfunctional organization like the 82 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 3: Tennessee Titans needs, just somebody to settle him down a 83 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 3: little bit. A twenty three year old that carries himself 84 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:18,159 Speaker 3: like he's thirty three. Shador Sanders is quite the opposite, 85 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 3: and not even from a personality standpoint, because frankly, I 86 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:22,479 Speaker 3: think he's handled a lot of this pretty damn well 87 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 3: fits but all the things that are surrounding Shador Sanders. 88 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 4: He grew up on reality TV. 89 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 3: What does America love if not a reality TV with 90 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 3: a with a spinoff that we can continue to follow 91 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 3: in a nationally televised event. 92 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 4: And football Reality TV. 93 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 3: Football Shadoor Sanders at the intersection, How could you possibly 94 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:44,920 Speaker 3: be confused as to why people are interested? 95 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 2: Okay, a couple of things. Number One, I feel like 96 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 2: I'm not even allowed to say God forbid, like this 97 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 2: is a very true story. I had a take on 98 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 2: Inside Coverage one of my Yahoo shows, How to Take 99 00:04:57,720 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 2: last week, and I said, I think it was lose 100 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:01,719 Speaker 2: lose for the Rounds to play Shador early, And the 101 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 2: entirety of my take was it's lose lose because if 102 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 2: he gets on the field and he's terrible, there'll be 103 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:08,600 Speaker 2: no grace. And then the other side of it is 104 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:10,839 Speaker 2: if he gets on the field and he's absolutely lights out, 105 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 2: Now the Browns are gonna have to spend every day 106 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 2: answering questions about their depth chart, why they made the 107 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:17,280 Speaker 2: decisions they made all of these, why he fell to 108 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 2: the fifth. That was the entirety of my take. Yahoo 109 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 2: clipped a portion of that and put it up, but 110 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 2: I was cut off and cut off after the if 111 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 2: he stinks, there'll be no grace portion of my take, 112 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 2: for which I have thousands at this point of comments 113 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 2: that tell me that I'm racist, that I don't know anything, 114 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 2: that I'm an idiot, that I don't know how to 115 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:37,720 Speaker 2: talk about football, all of these different things, all because 116 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:41,040 Speaker 2: I said, if he doesn't play well, there'll be no grace. Like, 117 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 2: you can't even have a lukewarm opinion about Shador at 118 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 2: this point without people just deciding that means you are 119 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:52,720 Speaker 2: either biased by your hatred of Shador or biased by 120 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 2: your love of shudor so that's already frustrating to me. 121 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 2: But then the bigger part of this is you see 122 00:05:57,200 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 2: a team every day in practice. You see a bad 123 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 2: football team, but you see every a team every day 124 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:04,840 Speaker 2: in practice. We know what practice means, We know what 125 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 2: meetings mean to the organization. Look what we have seen 126 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 2: since the draft. At the draft, the Cleveland Browns told 127 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:13,719 Speaker 2: you that they believe Dylan Gabriel was two rounds better, 128 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 2: not two picks, not ten picks, two rounds better than 129 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 2: Shador Sanders for their franchise. For whatever reason, they took 130 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 2: Dylan Gabriel in the third round. Since then, the reporters 131 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 2: I've talked to that had been to Brown's practice, it 132 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:27,599 Speaker 2: made it clear that Dylan Gabriel was breaking down the 133 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 2: offense faster, was processing things faster, and in general seemed 134 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 2: to be ahead of him in all things practice related 135 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 2: to this. So, while you're right we've had three quarters 136 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 2: of Chadur on the field, we haven't had a single 137 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:40,599 Speaker 2: second at Dylan Gabriel on the field. We don't know. 138 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:42,479 Speaker 2: And the other part of it is, last time I 139 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 2: tech checked, Kevin Stefanski is a two time Coach of 140 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 2: the Year. So unless you believe that a two time 141 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 2: Coach of the Year is so egomaniacal and so full 142 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 2: of pride and so flat out stupid and bad at 143 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:57,599 Speaker 2: his job that he will just continue to live some 144 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 2: wild lie so that Shadors Sanders is held down. The 145 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:04,160 Speaker 2: reality of it is they believed Shadour was a lesser 146 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 2: quarterback even when they drafted him than Dylan Gabriel. They 147 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 2: have since then had months of practice and meetings where 148 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 2: the greater of the two quarterbacks that they drafted has 149 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 2: Outside Shadoor, all we have is three quarters of one 150 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 2: preseason game. That's all the information we get. So I 151 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 2: don't understand why everyone thinks that suddenly a depth chart 152 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 2: is going to change the mind of an entire organization 153 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 2: that sees him in every meeting, that processes everything that happens, 154 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 2: in every piece of film, that records every practice, that 155 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 2: looks back at every sing like we have a tenth 156 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 2: of the evidence, Like every conspiracy theorist that's a dumb 157 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 2: ass that's out there telling us something. We have a 158 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 2: tenth of the evidence without any of the full context, 159 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 2: and then we make sweeping decisions on what it should 160 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 2: mean for the future of Shadhor Sanders. 161 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 3: Uh, I'm sorry, you mean the same two time Coach 162 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 3: of the Year that was actively living the lie that 163 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 3: is Deshaun Watson is our starting quarterback. No other questions 164 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 3: asked You mean the organization that is propped up that guy, 165 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 3: even understanding that they are smarter football minds than you 166 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 3: or I or anybody you know largely out here criticizing 167 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 3: or taking things in second hand without as much information. 168 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 3: You mean that coach of the year who basically, you know, 169 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 3: I understand he got a knife in his back, probably 170 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 3: why he's sitting up there answering pres conference questions. But 171 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 3: he's saying, knowing, damn well that Deshaun Watson is not 172 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 3: a starting quarterback anymore. Deshawn's are starting quarterback. Deshawn's are 173 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 3: starting quarterback over and over and over again. Trying to 174 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 3: talk himself into it. It seems it's as much as 175 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 3: he's trying to convince the rest of the world. You 176 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 3: mean that particular organization, I mean, FITZI, in eight out 177 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 3: of ten situations, you might be you might be onto 178 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 3: something there. This is the Cleveland Brown's baby. They don't 179 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:43,560 Speaker 3: do things the way that anybody else would do them. 180 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 3: They do things the Browns way, and that's poorly, and 181 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 3: that's dysfunctionally. Then that's making a mess of everything. Hell, 182 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 3: they couldn't even get through the draft without making a mess. 183 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 3: They had to take a quarterback in the third round, 184 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:56,840 Speaker 3: take a quarterback in the fifth round, bring in Kenny Pickett, 185 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 3: sign Joe Flacco? What else do they do? 186 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:03,320 Speaker 4: Who did in Snoop Untley run around Cleveland right now? 187 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 2: This is. 188 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:06,679 Speaker 4: So Yeah. 189 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:11,080 Speaker 3: If we were to apply reasonable logic and fact based 190 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 3: information and apply it to football sensibilities, then yes, I 191 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 3: think you would be onto something here. But that doesn't 192 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 3: apply to the Cleveland Browns organization. 193 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:20,960 Speaker 2: I do need to point out he's Buck Rising. I'm 194 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:23,319 Speaker 2: Jason Fitz him for Doug Gottleib on Fox Sports Radio. 195 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 2: Look at the schedule at the beginning like this, I'm 196 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:29,320 Speaker 2: screaming this to Schador fans that want to see him 197 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 2: play week one. The Browns have not like you. 198 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 3: Just want to scream at Shador fans. It doesn't sound 199 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 3: like you got an issue with s your door, sound 200 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 3: like you got an issue? 201 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 2: Now, I got no issue. Look, I want Shador and 202 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:40,200 Speaker 2: Dylan Gabriel Poult to win starting jobs and make a 203 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:42,200 Speaker 2: ton of money, like I want every quarterback to succeed. 204 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 2: There aren't very many good quarterbacks in the NFL. I 205 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 2: want them all to make it. But listen, this the beginning, 206 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 2: I'm gonna give you the beginning of the Browns schedule 207 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:53,720 Speaker 2: the Bengals. Okay, fine, then they got the Ravens, the Packers, 208 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 2: the Lions, the Vikings, the Steelers, the Dolphins, the Patriots, Jets, 209 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 2: the Ravens again. Like, that is not an easy beginning 210 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 2: of any of this. Like, even if you're sitting here 211 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 2: and you're a Chaudour apologist and you're saying, somehow, some 212 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:09,680 Speaker 2: way he's gonna win this job, don't you want to 213 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 2: put him in the best situation. My thing is the 214 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:15,080 Speaker 2: best situation, the best ability for Chadur is gonna come 215 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 2: from developing the way the coaches want him to develop 216 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 2: every single day. And that's that's not a sexy answer. 217 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 2: But I say this to you all the time. This 218 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 2: ozembic society that we live in just drives me crazy. 219 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 2: Everybody wants an injection that'll make them skinny. Like, hell, 220 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 2: if I could, if I could go to a doctor 221 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 2: today that would give me apps, I would do it. 222 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 2: I understand. It's a hell of a lot easier than 223 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:37,079 Speaker 2: going to the gym. Every fan of a bad franchise 224 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 2: wants their Jade and Daniels. They want ozepic. That's gonna 225 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:43,199 Speaker 2: suddenly fix everything. Most players are not CJ. Stroud or 226 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 2: Jaden Daniels. So like, I know you want o Zepic, 227 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:47,959 Speaker 2: but people in hell wan Icewater. Sometimes you just gotta 228 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:51,720 Speaker 2: do the work the long, painful way, which is a process. 229 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:54,679 Speaker 2: And I don't think long term that the Browns have 230 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 2: a bad situation going here. They have all year to 231 00:10:57,200 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 2: figure out if Dylan Gabriel Shadur is the answer from 232 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 2: what they see every single day, and if he's not, 233 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 2: they can draft a different quarterback next year because they're 234 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 2: not going to be very good. I just don't see 235 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 2: why there's a rush to put Schadeur on the on 236 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 2: the field when frankly, that just undermines the entire process 237 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:13,319 Speaker 2: and there is no logic behind why it should happen. 238 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:16,200 Speaker 2: Like again, this is the same team that drafted Dylan 239 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:18,320 Speaker 2: Gabriel in the third round. We don't have the benefit 240 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 2: of knowing what Dylan Gabriel looked like in the first 241 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 2: preseason game. We haven't seen that yet. 242 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 3: So you're talking about specifically from the fans who are 243 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 3: in a rush to see him get out on the field. 244 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:28,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think the organization, fans in media, I 245 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 2: don't think the organization is any. 246 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 3: I believe this media stuff and I and I have 247 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 3: a tremendous amount of respect for Lewis Riddick, but like 248 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 3: this whole set of setting him up to fail, uh 249 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 3: narrative that's being propositioned. As far as the Chador Sanders 250 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:44,080 Speaker 3: stuff goes, I is craziness to me. And I'm as 251 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 3: skeptical of the Browns as anybody understandably so they're bad 252 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:52,320 Speaker 3: at this, they deserve skepticism. I think the thing that 253 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 3: will be the most telling is what we have to wait, 254 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 3: you know, the better part of a month to find out, 255 00:11:57,600 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 3: a little less than a month by the time Week one 256 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 3: rolls around when the Browns open things up with the Bengals. 257 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:06,439 Speaker 3: As you mentioned, if Joe Flacco was the starting quarterback, 258 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:09,440 Speaker 3: then the Browns are making the right decision, even if 259 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:13,680 Speaker 3: at some point there is absolutely value in finding out 260 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 3: what you have in either Shador Sanders or Dylan Gabriel. 261 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 3: At some point in the season, Joe Flacco is gonna 262 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:22,440 Speaker 3: give you the best opportunity to win Week one, no 263 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 3: matter which of those three specifically you're talking about, respectfully 264 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 3: to snowpunting, if they roll either of the rookies out 265 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:32,440 Speaker 3: there and should or you know, will be greeted with 266 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 3: more fanfare and more pressure and more coverage and all 267 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:37,200 Speaker 3: these other things. And I'm sure the raiding on that 268 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 3: Browns Carolina preseason game was ungodly. 269 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 2: I didn't I have two people, that's disgusting. 270 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:44,320 Speaker 3: Shame on all of you. Really, go do something with 271 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 3: your day like that's a shame on all of you, really. 272 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 3: And I'm an NFL reporter, Okay, I know as long 273 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:53,599 Speaker 3: as there's football, there's money. But god, guys, it's a 274 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 3: preseason anyway. If they roll either one of those rookies 275 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 3: out there in Week one against the Bengal, then you 276 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:03,440 Speaker 3: know it's the same old Browns because there is logic 277 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 3: and reason in giving the veteran, putting the veteran out 278 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:08,840 Speaker 3: there who's going to give you the best chance to succeed, 279 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 3: and allowing for that process to take place behind him 280 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 3: on the depth chart. Even if you plan at some 281 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:16,200 Speaker 3: point to pull Joe Flacco out of the lineup and 282 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 3: see what you got in the other two. If they 283 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:21,320 Speaker 3: roll with either of those two rookies, they will have 284 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 3: succumbed to some level of pressure, whether it's external from 285 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 3: the media or the fan base, whether it is internal 286 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:32,320 Speaker 3: from the ownership, who's publicly distancing himself from Shador Jimmy Haslm, 287 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:35,599 Speaker 3: And I've never heard Jimmy Haslm talk this much in 288 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:37,679 Speaker 3: an offseason. All of a sudden, Jimmy Haslm turned into 289 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 3: Jerry Jones. He can't get away from a microphone. But 290 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 3: if there is some level of pressure that they are 291 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:45,559 Speaker 3: succumbing to, we will know it very quickly, and then 292 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 3: it'll be I mean, I'm I would be And I've 293 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 3: said this before to you, and I've said this before 294 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:52,679 Speaker 3: when we've done the Fox stuff together. I would at 295 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 3: that point hope for Kevin Stefanski to be fired. Not 296 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:56,559 Speaker 3: because I think he's a bad coach or a bad 297 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 3: person or anything like that. I just want him out 298 00:13:58,120 --> 00:13:59,959 Speaker 3: of the Browns organization because he is a two time 299 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:02,559 Speaker 3: Coach of the Year and he deserves better. This is nonsense, 300 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 3: absolute nonsense. 301 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:07,960 Speaker 2: All right, from one nonsensical story to another. Schitur. I 302 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 2: don't know why we care. He's not gonna start Week one. 303 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 2: The real question is will Micah Parsons will break down 304 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 2: the latest greatest drama from Jerry Jones. That's right, it's today, 305 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 2: which means we got more Mica drama. We'll tell you 306 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 2: about it next. He's Buck Rising. I'm Jason Fitz. We're 307 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 2: in for Doug Gottlieb on Fox Sports Radio. 308 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to The Doug Gottleb Show podcast. Be 309 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 1: sure to catch us live every weekday three to five 310 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 1: Eastern twelve two Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. Find your 311 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:33,080 Speaker 1: local station for The Doug Gottlieb Show at Fox Sports 312 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 1: Radio dot com, or stream us live every day on 313 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:39,479 Speaker 1: the iHeartRadio app by searching FSR. 314 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 2: Bob, be honest, I think fireworks kind of overrated. I'll 315 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 2: be honest. Like it's really the sweaty crowds, Like there's 316 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 2: just a lot of bud sweat throughout the course of this, 317 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 2: like especially down in the South where everybody's it's just 318 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 2: hot and humid and like in fact and just yeah, 319 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 2: there's a lot of that. Are you are you a pro? 320 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 3: Tell fireworks kind? I hate fireworks. I think they're a 321 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 3: giant pain in the ass. I think that there is 322 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 3: not a more overrated way of celebrating in this world 323 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 3: than the shooting off of fireworks. Bro it takes me 324 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 3: two hours to get in a situation for me to 325 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 3: properly see the fireworks, and it is such a pain 326 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 3: in the ass for like seven minutes of actual payoff. 327 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 2: That's right, it's Bucket fits hanging out with it for 328 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 2: Doug Gottlieb. We're excrying to d out to a brand 329 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 2: new YouTube channel for the show. Just go to YouTube 330 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 2: dot com slash cut Doug Gottlieb Show, or if you're 331 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 2: already within YouTube, just search Doug Gottlieb Show. You guys 332 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 2: know how to do that. Be sure to hit the 333 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 2: subscribe button. 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I 339 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 2: am sitting in Connecticut right now, and one thing I 340 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 2: know is that neither of us are in the I 341 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 2: don't know Sea of Drama, the absolute wasteland known as 342 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 2: Dallas right now, where every day everything is more complicated 343 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 2: with the cowboys and the most complicated recent edition years. 344 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 2: I love that a reporter actually tried to hold Jerry 345 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 2: Jones accountable, asking Jerry if they've spoken and the answer 346 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 2: was no, and it was like, well why not? And 347 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 2: Jerry didn't have a good answer for it, and Buck, 348 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 2: I just I keep thinking this is ugly and this 349 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 2: is like, this is to me. If you've ever had 350 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 2: friends that have gone through a brutal breakup, you know 351 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 2: one thing you know during that breakup is that you're 352 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 2: gonna go to dinner with one of those friends and 353 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 2: they're gonna spend the whole time being like, well, he 354 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 2: was the worst at this and I hated that, and 355 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 2: you're gonna be a good friend. You're gonna sit there 356 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 2: and be like, you know what, I know, he is 357 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 2: the worst at all of these things. And then, like 358 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 2: I don't know, three months later, they get back together 359 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, you see him at dinner 360 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 2: and he's looking at you the whole time, knowing what 361 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 2: you said about him. You know. It's this weird thing 362 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 2: you learn as you get older that when your friends 363 00:16:57,680 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 2: sit you down to talk to talk about their breakup, 364 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 2: you just never take a side anymore, right, Like, we 365 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:04,920 Speaker 2: don't have that grace here You've got a really public 366 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 2: dispute from Jerry's end because he's always in front of 367 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:09,879 Speaker 2: a microphone. My guy's never seen a microphone. He doesn't 368 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:11,919 Speaker 2: want to sit down in front of him talk. So 369 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:14,359 Speaker 2: now I feel like we're just constantly mommy and Daddy 370 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 2: are fighting and we're getting the story. And what's really 371 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:18,960 Speaker 2: gonna be weird is week one, when I believe Michael 372 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 2: will be on the field, he'll be very rich, and 373 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 2: he'll still be playing for the Cowboys. 374 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 3: The only thing that was ugly or is that face 375 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 3: you made while you were trying to suppress a burp 376 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:31,639 Speaker 3: whilst whilst simultaneously telling people that Doug got leaves YouTube channel. 377 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 2: You know what, I was pretty proud of that I 378 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:35,679 Speaker 2: managed to hold it back. I didn't, you know, I 379 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 2: felt like that was professional. Okay, not here. 380 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:42,120 Speaker 3: I could hear the burp struggling, trying to fight its 381 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 3: way out. 382 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:43,160 Speaker 4: Of your body. 383 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:45,919 Speaker 3: And you know it's if I wasn't looking directly at 384 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 3: which we're not on YouTube today? Are we got helpless? 385 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:48,440 Speaker 3: If we are? 386 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no, we're not on YouTube today. 387 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 2: Nobody's going to see you eat your strip club wings, 388 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:54,919 Speaker 2: which I found out during the break that Buck Rising 389 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 2: actually Huber Eats edd Wober whatever you used Uber Eat 390 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:02,880 Speaker 2: to get Strip Club Wings delivered to your hotel room 391 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 2: in Atlanta. I don't know how I feel about that, 392 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:10,640 Speaker 2: Like that doesn't feel like that's normal usually efficiency, there 393 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 2: was no like, I don't know Buffalo Wild Wings or 394 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 2: Wings Stop or any other wing place that was closer. 395 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 2: You're really telling me that, minus all of the other 396 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:21,119 Speaker 2: accouterments that come with Strip Club Wings, that you still 397 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:22,719 Speaker 2: chose Strip Club Wings. 398 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:29,200 Speaker 3: Yes, by a mile, the Yigic City, Lemon pepper, honey, 399 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:33,119 Speaker 3: gold combination side of fries, and a lovely coke that 400 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 3: I've got in front of me. And at the risk 401 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:38,480 Speaker 3: of offending any Wing Wing Stop or Buffalo Wild Wings 402 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:42,160 Speaker 3: sponsors that Fox Sports Radio may have, I'm sure those 403 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:46,400 Speaker 3: are lovely establishments with lovely fair but the Strip Club 404 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 3: Wings in Atlanta are superior to any other Wings that 405 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:51,440 Speaker 3: you will find anywhere else in the country, including Buffalo. 406 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:54,160 Speaker 4: So I largely agree with your point. 407 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 3: Though about Michael Parsons, I think he is going to 408 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:57,199 Speaker 3: be a Dallas cowboy, and I think he's going to 409 00:18:57,200 --> 00:18:58,680 Speaker 3: be very very well paid, and they're just going to 410 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 3: stuff his face full of money like stuff, my face 411 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 3: full of strip club wings before the show began today. 412 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:06,200 Speaker 4: And everybody will be happy as a result. 413 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 3: But uh, I think here is there are a couple 414 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 3: of things that have to be kept at the front 415 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:18,119 Speaker 3: of your mind. Did you see Jerry Jones's interview on 416 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:20,680 Speaker 3: the red carpet of this Netflix special that they're running 417 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:23,960 Speaker 3: on the Cowboys? Have you seen this audio, this video 418 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:27,200 Speaker 3: floating around where? And I don't want to put words 419 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:29,479 Speaker 3: in Jerry's mouth, so god knows, I really couldn't if 420 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 3: I tried. He says more more inflammatory things than either 421 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:35,399 Speaker 3: of us could even imagine that he would say. But 422 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 3: he basically, I mean he didn't. Basically he did. He 423 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:41,719 Speaker 3: copped to the idea of, yeah, if things get slow 424 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 3: conversationally around our football team, it is better for people 425 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:47,360 Speaker 3: to talk about our football team. So I will stir 426 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:50,160 Speaker 3: things up so that people are talking about our football team. 427 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:53,199 Speaker 3: And Jerry's maybe never been quite that blatant with it, 428 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:55,119 Speaker 3: and we've always just kind of assumed that that's what 429 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:58,439 Speaker 3: Jerry Jones does because of the behavior and the pattern 430 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:00,879 Speaker 3: of behavior that he's stuck to is entire career. But 431 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 3: it's it's the first time that you've really had Jerry 432 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 3: on record with the quiet part out loud. And so 433 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 3: this Michael Parson's contract dispute situation is the latest example 434 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:15,199 Speaker 3: of that. But the thing here is FITSI in a 435 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:19,879 Speaker 3: generation of social media athletes and athletes who are you know, 436 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 3: their screen time is somewhere between eight to ten hours 437 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:27,240 Speaker 3: a day where they are reading everything about them, whether 438 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:30,359 Speaker 3: it's actual, whether it's factual, or whether it's just stuff 439 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:32,680 Speaker 3: on the internet. Like OBJ, you see what happened. Odell 440 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 3: Beckham Junior got got by the fake shifter and he's 441 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:37,120 Speaker 3: you know, he's freaking out on Twitter because he didn't 442 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:39,879 Speaker 3: bother to verify whether that was the verified Adam Schefter 443 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:42,119 Speaker 3: reporting his retirement or not. And there was a whole 444 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:46,120 Speaker 3: thing on Obj's timeline about this thing that wasn't real. 445 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:50,199 Speaker 3: It's very easy for this generation of athletes to get 446 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 3: spun out and for a lot of that to be irreparable. Now, 447 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:55,679 Speaker 3: money is the answer to most of your problems, if 448 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 3: not all of your problems, or at least the answer 449 00:20:57,480 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 3: to all of your questions maybe not your problems. Doesn't 450 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 3: solve every thing, but it can solve a great deal 451 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 3: a great many things. Maybe there is enough money in 452 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 3: the world in the Dallas Cowboys pocketbook, if we're still 453 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:11,399 Speaker 3: doing pocketbooks in the year twenty twenty five, to just 454 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:13,879 Speaker 3: shut Micah up with the sheer amount of money that 455 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 3: they're going to pay him. But I can't help but 456 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 3: think that a more judicious organization would not put themselves 457 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 3: in a position where they just have to shovel over 458 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 3: money hand over fist just to keep an athlete happy, 459 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 3: rather than going through a contract negotiation that is not 460 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 3: just handshakes and glory holes and whatever else. Jerry Jones 461 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 3: wants to confuse glory holes in the oil man sense, 462 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:41,320 Speaker 3: of course, which is something, by the way, a term 463 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:42,879 Speaker 3: that he likes to use a great deal, But I 464 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 3: felt I had to clarify given the level of strip 465 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:50,119 Speaker 3: club discourse today, I think that there are just so 466 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:55,480 Speaker 3: many avoidable pitfalls that Jerry just can't help but step 467 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 3: in the middle of. If for no other reason, that 468 00:21:57,560 --> 00:21:59,360 Speaker 3: people are going to talk about the pitfalls that Jerry 469 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 3: Jones are stepping, and that drives further conversation and interest 470 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 3: in this football team, which is insane. It's an insane 471 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 3: way of doing things, but it seems to work for Jerry. 472 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 2: I mean, you're right. We all have that friend that 473 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:11,360 Speaker 2: walks into a party and sees two people standing next 474 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:13,200 Speaker 2: to each other that they know are on different sides 475 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 2: of a political issue or whatever, and they'll immediately make 476 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:19,200 Speaker 2: an inflammatory statement just to watch the entire house burn 477 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:21,480 Speaker 2: down as they leave. Like that. We all have that friend. 478 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 2: That friend just happened one hundred percent. That's why I 479 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,119 Speaker 2: was looking at you. That friend just happens to be 480 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 2: like the you know, problematic Grandpa version of it, which 481 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 2: is Jerry Jones. It's it's interesting. I do think there's 482 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:35,439 Speaker 2: one long term concern about the solution of money with 483 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 2: Micah Parsons. 484 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:38,440 Speaker 4: Thanks for listening to The Doug Gotleb Show podcast. 485 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 1: Be sure to catch us live every weekday three to 486 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 1: five Eastern twelve two Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. Find 487 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:46,879 Speaker 1: your local station for The Doug Gottlieb Show at Foxsports 488 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 1: Radio dot com, or stream us live every day on 489 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 1: the iHeartRadio app by searching FSR. 490 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 2: He's Buck rising on Jason Fitz. We're in for Doug 491 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:58,640 Speaker 2: Gottlieb on Fox Sports Radio and unless we get fired 492 00:22:58,640 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 2: in the next hour and a half, will be on 493 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 2: Pro two Pros and a cup of Joe in the morning. Also, 494 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:05,640 Speaker 2: oh wow, that's it. Okay, so we were just talking 495 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:09,080 Speaker 2: about Micah Parsons. Okay, there is one thing that I 496 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:12,680 Speaker 2: think we need to understand about money, because you're right 497 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,920 Speaker 2: that you can throw enough money at pretty much anything 498 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:19,440 Speaker 2: and it goes away for a minute, and the four 499 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 2: minute is key here. I don't care what you do 500 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:24,480 Speaker 2: for a living. I have friends over the years that 501 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:26,680 Speaker 2: have come to me very dissatisfied with their job, whether 502 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 2: it was in music or in sports, very dissatisfied with 503 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:31,680 Speaker 2: their job. And inevitably they'll go into somebody and say, 504 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 2: you know what, I quit, and in that moment, the 505 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:35,399 Speaker 2: boss will say, well, you know what, don't quit. We 506 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:37,160 Speaker 2: don't want you to quit. We're gonna give you a raise, 507 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:39,199 Speaker 2: And before you know what, that same person is in 508 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:40,639 Speaker 2: front of you saying, hey, it's not that bad. Like 509 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:43,679 Speaker 2: they're giving me more money. Everything's fine, And for like 510 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 2: three months, it is. For six months it is. Everybody's 511 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 2: a little happier because they're making more money, but the 512 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 2: problems that are underlying all of it remain. And my 513 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,720 Speaker 2: concern with all of this Mica stuff is that whatever 514 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:57,480 Speaker 2: they end up working out and you and I both 515 00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:00,679 Speaker 2: agree that he's going to be a cowboy long term. Well, 516 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:04,480 Speaker 2: you think Micah's gonna forget how difficult this negotiation was. 517 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:06,359 Speaker 2: Do we really think Micah's gonna forget some of the 518 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 2: things that have been said and some of the implications 519 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 2: made by Jerry through this process. I don't. 520 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 3: So. 521 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 2: I think we end up with the Michaeh Parsons that 522 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:14,959 Speaker 2: will take this value. But we'll also understand, Hey, if 523 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,639 Speaker 2: we're gonna battle every time there's a contract, I'm gonna 524 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 2: continue this battle very loudly if the cowboys think if 525 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 2: if there's more money being paid out to other people 526 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 2: and Michael Micah wants back in the market in two years, 527 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 2: Like there is a difference between Hey, the entire way 528 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 2: it feels when you look at a player and you say, hey, 529 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 2: we're gonna take care of you early. We don't have to, 530 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:34,960 Speaker 2: but we're gonna do this just because we love you 531 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 2: so much. That buys some level of loyalty and equity 532 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:40,400 Speaker 2: with a player. When you do the opposite, and when 533 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:43,200 Speaker 2: it gets so ugly in this process, I'm just left 534 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:45,439 Speaker 2: to wonder, Like, as much as we will say the 535 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 2: money has cured the relationship between the Cowboys and Michael Parsons. 536 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 2: We won't really know the answer for that for several 537 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 2: years until we see the rest of the way, the 538 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 2: way the rest of money works throughout the league. 539 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 3: No, but I mean the people who think that the 540 00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:59,879 Speaker 3: money is actually going to solve the problem as opposed 541 00:24:59,920 --> 00:25:03,119 Speaker 3: to just put a band aid over it. Right, are 542 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:05,400 Speaker 3: are people who would would do anything in the world 543 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 3: for that kind of money. And that's most of us, 544 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 3: right Like you and I are making Michael Pars's money, 545 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:10,960 Speaker 3: you and I would have a hard time. 546 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:11,960 Speaker 2: You aren't. 547 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 3: All right, Well, then then you need to stop turning 548 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:20,159 Speaker 3: your nose up at my eighteen dollar coffee when I 549 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 3: uber eats that fair. 550 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:23,600 Speaker 2: He knows me too well, and we all know that 551 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 2: too well. 552 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:28,000 Speaker 3: You're even if you were making money, you'd still be 553 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:31,640 Speaker 3: a cheap ass. Anyway. I think that there is there 554 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 3: is something to be said about what Jerry Jones is 555 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 3: trying to prop this thing up as, but it's not. 556 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:43,240 Speaker 3: Actually Jerry Jones keeps talking about this as good faith negotiation. Hey, 557 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 3: you know, I bought the Dallas Cowboys for a handshake 558 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:47,440 Speaker 3: and a one hundred and sixty million dollars or whatever 559 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:49,359 Speaker 3: it was at the time. I can't remember the comment 560 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 3: offhand of the price that he paid. I'm sure that's 561 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:52,359 Speaker 3: I'm sure it was a bit more than that. But 562 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:57,200 Speaker 3: he keeps trying to act as if he is treating 563 00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:00,359 Speaker 3: this as a good faith negotiation, when anybody in the 564 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 3: modern world of contract negotiation understands that he is doing 565 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 3: the exact opposite of it, that he is instigating it, 566 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:09,959 Speaker 3: that he is the one making this the most public 567 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,479 Speaker 3: even though the player is on social media, with social 568 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 3: media with a three paide statement about how he wants out, 569 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 3: Jerry is forcing everybody's hand to make this as public 570 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:23,919 Speaker 3: and as uncomfortable as humanly possible, and doing so at 571 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 3: a time in sports when there's nothing else to talk about. 572 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:31,080 Speaker 3: I mean, we can break down Shadoor Sanders or Tyler 573 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:36,280 Speaker 3: Shuck or Jackson Jackson darts training camp interceptions if you 574 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:38,719 Speaker 3: want to, we could do that, or we could talk 575 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:42,919 Speaker 3: about the more interesting thing, which is a borderline maniac owner, 576 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 3: certainly an egomaniac owner publicly fighting with I don't think 577 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,119 Speaker 3: it's a stretch to say the best player on the 578 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,640 Speaker 3: most famous team in the National Football League right now 579 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:57,399 Speaker 3: not the best team in the National Football League right now, 580 00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:00,679 Speaker 3: but certainly the most famous, the most published, publicized, most covered, 581 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:05,000 Speaker 3: the most watched. He is the one making this anything 582 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 3: but a good faith negotiation, and it would just be 583 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,159 Speaker 3: so much easier for him to go about this and 584 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:11,879 Speaker 3: send a message to the locker room. Now, there may 585 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:15,239 Speaker 3: be something to the idea, FITZI that if you have 586 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 3: a if you have an authoritarian type of coach, right, 587 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 3: and there are many, and you're as a coach, comfortable 588 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:28,480 Speaker 3: with not just governing that way for lack of a 589 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:34,080 Speaker 3: better term, but also using yourself as a rallying point 590 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:38,360 Speaker 3: for the players, whatever sport it might be, to rally 591 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:42,479 Speaker 3: not just not for you, certainly, but in spite of you. 592 00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:45,359 Speaker 3: Coach thinks we can't do this. Coach thinks we're a 593 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,919 Speaker 3: bunch of bumps. Coach thinks that the other team on 594 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 3: the other side is going to come out there and 595 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:53,360 Speaker 3: smack us in the mouth. And he keeps challenging us 596 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,000 Speaker 3: because he doesn't think we're good enough. Let's go show 597 00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,160 Speaker 3: him otherwise, right, there's some logic to that. I don't 598 00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:01,000 Speaker 3: know that that's the most effective tact that would be taken, 599 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,120 Speaker 3: but there are people that do that maybe Jerry Jones's 600 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:06,119 Speaker 3: logic is some somehow in his twisted mind at this 601 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 3: point in his life, is to say, well, okay, let 602 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 3: I'm fine being the bad guy. Let them, let them 603 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 3: do these things in spite of me. Let me, you know, 604 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:17,560 Speaker 3: be comfortable taking all the slings and arrows here because 605 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,360 Speaker 3: he's gonna get plenty of them. And let the players 606 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 3: you know who are changing their social media profiles to 607 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,560 Speaker 3: a picture of my, picture of Micah Parsons and support 608 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,919 Speaker 3: and Michah Parsons himself, let them go play well in 609 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,560 Speaker 3: spite of me, even if it's not for me, even 610 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:34,000 Speaker 3: though it would be much easier to do business in 611 00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:37,399 Speaker 3: the actual right way and have an organization that is 612 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 3: well run, that is functional, and that fosters an environment 613 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,920 Speaker 3: that makes those players want to actually fight for the 614 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,360 Speaker 3: logos on their helmet as opposed to just how much 615 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 3: more money can I squeeze out of this old man? 616 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 2: What if you know your your point is really made 617 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,920 Speaker 2: me rethink so much about Jerry Jones in the last 618 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:59,320 Speaker 2: sixty seconds, as you talk like, I've spent so much 619 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 2: of my life thinking of Jerry Jones as a desperate 620 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 2: billionaire desperate to win a championship, right, Like, there's a 621 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:07,360 Speaker 2: level of Jerry Jones that I think is love of 622 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:09,360 Speaker 2: the cowboys and the love of the NFL and his 623 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:13,000 Speaker 2: desperation to want to win. Sometimes when you are blinded 624 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:17,720 Speaker 2: by that, you do stupid things. What if instead, man, 625 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,520 Speaker 2: what if you're right? And at some level Jerry Jones 626 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 2: is just Madonna. Madonna so famously for the longest time, 627 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:26,600 Speaker 2: was like any press is good press. Well, I would 628 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:30,360 Speaker 2: argue that the current iteration of Madonna writhing around on 629 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:32,600 Speaker 2: stage in a wedding dress like it's like a virgin 630 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:36,600 Speaker 2: from the eighties isn't necessarily good press. What I'm seeing 631 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:40,160 Speaker 2: now is that out of Jerry Jones, it's the want 632 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:43,080 Speaker 2: to be rich. Like as you talked, all I kept 633 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 2: thinking about was am I one hundred percent convinced without 634 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,160 Speaker 2: knowing Jerry Jones personally? So I'm just from the outside 635 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:52,040 Speaker 2: looking at the actions of Jerry Jones make me wonder 636 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:54,920 Speaker 2: do we really know that if Jerry Jones had to 637 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 2: make a choice today, you can't talk, you can't sit 638 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,440 Speaker 2: in front of a microphone, you can't be a public figure. 639 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:04,040 Speaker 2: It all. The Cowboys won't be the focal point of 640 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:08,200 Speaker 2: every NFL conversation. But you'll win a super Bowl or 641 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,520 Speaker 2: you don't win that super Bowl, and you are absolutely 642 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:17,080 Speaker 2: the most present brand in American sports. I think honestly, 643 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:20,360 Speaker 2: based on the actions of Jerry Jones, he's given reason 644 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,680 Speaker 2: for me to have paused to believe that he cares 645 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:25,920 Speaker 2: more about that championship than he does about that attention. 646 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:30,160 Speaker 2: And the minute you fall on that side of the line, 647 00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 2: I don't know how you walk that back, and I 648 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:33,680 Speaker 2: don't know how you win a Super Bowl. 649 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,120 Speaker 3: Well, I think the answer is pretty clear. They're not 650 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:42,120 Speaker 3: going to. And it's not for a lack of talent, 651 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:43,840 Speaker 3: because it's crazy that they draft as well as they 652 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:48,880 Speaker 3: do and they still can't get anywhere. He's I also 653 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,000 Speaker 3: have never really taken that tack they Fitzy. For a while, 654 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:53,560 Speaker 3: it felt like, I mean, I would argue, for like 655 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:55,680 Speaker 3: the last fifteen years, they've really done a good job 656 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,320 Speaker 3: fighting the stigma of they're just in it for the attention. 657 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,600 Speaker 3: But in all, in just one offseason, it feels like 658 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:05,720 Speaker 3: they've undone so much of that goodwill, so much of 659 00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:09,160 Speaker 3: that actual effort that they're coaching staff, they're players there, 660 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 3: they're scouting staff, their support staff, their organization under Jerry 661 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:16,360 Speaker 3: Jones has really worked to convince the rest of us 662 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,120 Speaker 3: know the Dallas Cowboys are actually trying to win as 663 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,400 Speaker 3: opposed to just get as many eyeballs as humanly possible, 664 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 3: and sometimes those things coincide. But even if he still 665 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:32,240 Speaker 3: does want to win at the core of himself, does 666 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:37,360 Speaker 3: he want to win for him, for him personally, for 667 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:41,320 Speaker 3: how vindicated he personally would be, or for the organization 668 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:44,320 Speaker 3: and for the fan base. Who you know, if you're 669 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:49,040 Speaker 3: talking about a company, like what are are inn essence shareholders? Like? 670 00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,840 Speaker 3: Is he trying to win for his people or is 671 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,680 Speaker 3: he trying to win because he wants to say I won? 672 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:57,800 Speaker 3: And there's plenty of people, plenty of examples in business 673 00:31:57,840 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 3: or society of people who just want to win for 674 00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:02,360 Speaker 3: the them, not for anybody else, not for the good 675 00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:04,120 Speaker 3: that it might do other people, not for the joy 676 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:06,640 Speaker 3: that it would bring so many other people that are impacted, 677 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,600 Speaker 3: but just to say that I did it, I won. 678 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:11,479 Speaker 3: And I don't know if Jerry wants to win if 679 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,080 Speaker 3: he can't look around and say or tell everybody after 680 00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:15,520 Speaker 3: the fact. 681 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,800 Speaker 2: I won. And at a macro level, you're talking about 682 00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,160 Speaker 2: the Cowboys in a Super Bowl in a micro level, 683 00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:25,200 Speaker 2: you're actually talking about this specific negotiation. It's the same 684 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:28,480 Speaker 2: exact statement, and that that's the problem. All right. He's 685 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,400 Speaker 2: Buck Rising on Jason Fitz coming up big news in 686 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,120 Speaker 2: the NFL about a lawsuit that could impact the way 687 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:37,560 Speaker 2: we view the entire league in the NFL might not 688 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,280 Speaker 2: be able to outrun it. It is staggering. We'll tell 689 00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:42,120 Speaker 2: you about it next. Bucking Fits sitting in on Doug 690 00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:44,800 Speaker 2: Gottlieb Show. Thanks for listening to The Doug Gotlieb Show podcast. 691 00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:46,920 Speaker 1: Be sure to catch us live every weekday three to 692 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:50,440 Speaker 1: five Eastern twelve two Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. Find 693 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,960 Speaker 1: your local station for The Doug Gottlieb Show at Fox 694 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,960 Speaker 1: Sports Radio dot com, or stream us live every day 695 00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:58,920 Speaker 1: on the iHeartRadio app by searching FSR. 696 00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:03,400 Speaker 2: He's Buck Rising. I'm Jason Fitz. It's a buckham Fits 697 00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,280 Speaker 2: takeover of the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio, 698 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,040 Speaker 2: hanging out with did today appreciated big news in the 699 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,840 Speaker 2: NFL and it comes in the form of a lawsuit. 700 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:18,240 Speaker 2: Now before your eyes gloss over, I will tell you 701 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:21,600 Speaker 2: that this stacks onto news from earlier this week about 702 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:25,200 Speaker 2: a lawsuit that is substantial. Okay. The latest greatest news 703 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:28,640 Speaker 2: on this lawsuit today is that the courts have ruled 704 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:32,960 Speaker 2: and they have ruled allowing the lawsuit that was once 705 00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:37,040 Speaker 2: filed by Brian Flores against the NFL and three different 706 00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:40,600 Speaker 2: teams can go to trial. And the lawsuit there is 707 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:44,440 Speaker 2: that Brian Flores and other black coaches that they're assuming 708 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,920 Speaker 2: for discrimination. So a federal appeals court ruled thursday finding 709 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:51,720 Speaker 2: insurmountable flaws. This is the important part, insurmountable flaws with 710 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:56,320 Speaker 2: the league arbitration part process that will permit Commissioner Roger 711 00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:59,720 Speaker 2: Goodell to serve as an arbitrator. What does that mean? Okay, 712 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,320 Speaker 2: or has filed a lawsuit and the NFL came back 713 00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:04,960 Speaker 2: and said, according to your contracts, that has to be 714 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,239 Speaker 2: done in arbitration. That's the exact same thing that they 715 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,800 Speaker 2: said to John Gruden, who is also suing the NFL. 716 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,640 Speaker 2: And what's interesting about that is that they've gone back 717 00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:15,040 Speaker 2: and forth. Well, the Nevada State Supreme Court earlier this 718 00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:18,040 Speaker 2: week ruled in favor of Gruden, saying he can have 719 00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:20,759 Speaker 2: his day in court. So now it is likely that 720 00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:22,919 Speaker 2: the NFL is going to try and get that all 721 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,160 Speaker 2: the way to the Supreme Court to stop it and 722 00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:27,400 Speaker 2: force it to go to arbitration. The reason the courts 723 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:30,399 Speaker 2: have said it can't go to arbitration is because it's 724 00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:33,720 Speaker 2: a lawsuit against the actions of in part, Roger Goodell, 725 00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,160 Speaker 2: and Roger Goodell would be the person that gets to 726 00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,960 Speaker 2: arbitrate it. So it's stupid. But at the end of 727 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,560 Speaker 2: the day, why do you care? Well, you care because 728 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:43,960 Speaker 2: if you're a football fan, part of what you've been 729 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:45,880 Speaker 2: able to do is say, pay no attention to the 730 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,000 Speaker 2: man behind the curtain for a very long team time. 731 00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:52,040 Speaker 2: You can imply that you know John Gruden. John Gruden 732 00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:53,719 Speaker 2: said the things that he said, by the way to 733 00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,479 Speaker 2: say loudly. He was caught on email saying the things 734 00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,359 Speaker 2: he said. They're disgusting and he deserves whatever he gets 735 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:01,880 Speaker 2: for that. Gruden's point is he felt singled out and 736 00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:03,720 Speaker 2: he felt like he wanted to know why the league 737 00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,520 Speaker 2: leaked to that information. On Yahoo Sports Daily, the Yahoo 738 00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:09,359 Speaker 2: show that I host every day, Mike Florio from Pro 739 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,680 Speaker 2: Football Talk talked about the fact that they want to 740 00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:14,319 Speaker 2: find out who ordered the code read on Gruden. What 741 00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:16,759 Speaker 2: we have to understand is if this stuff goes to court, 742 00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:19,760 Speaker 2: the things that the NFL has been able to hide forever, 743 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,680 Speaker 2: they can't hide anymore. So all this conversation about collusion 744 00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:27,840 Speaker 2: or racism or homophobic slurs, all of the different things 745 00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:31,680 Speaker 2: you are talking about tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, 746 00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:34,080 Speaker 2: actually when you add it all up of emails around 747 00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:36,720 Speaker 2: the league that'll be out there. You're talking about owner 748 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:39,120 Speaker 2: emails that are out there. Like if Jerry Jones has 749 00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:42,160 Speaker 2: a skeleton in his closet and it's anywhere near any 750 00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:44,960 Speaker 2: of this legal information he gets out there, we might 751 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:46,759 Speaker 2: find out a lot about our favorite teams that we 752 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,000 Speaker 2: don't want to know. We just choose not to believe. 753 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:52,839 Speaker 3: Buck, you know what, would never collude against you the 754 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,719 Speaker 3: iHeartRadio app. With the iHeartRadio app, you can stream us 755 00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,200 Speaker 3: wherever you happen to be. Catch us and all of 756 00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:00,960 Speaker 3: our Fox Sports Radio shows live twenty four to seven 757 00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:04,560 Speaker 3: in the new and improved iHeartRadio app. Just search Fox 758 00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,000 Speaker 3: Sports Radio in the app to stream us live all day, 759 00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:10,560 Speaker 3: every day, and be sure to select Fox Sports Radio 760 00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,120 Speaker 3: is one of your presets in the iHeart app, so 761 00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,720 Speaker 3: it will always pop up at the top of your screen, 762 00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,120 Speaker 3: just like your notifications for your favorite football team and 763 00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:19,960 Speaker 3: their scores pop up at the top of your screens. 764 00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:21,760 Speaker 3: iHeartRadio has got you covered. 765 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:22,000 Speaker 4: Now. 766 00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:28,000 Speaker 3: This lawsuit situation is something that I think largely football 767 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,040 Speaker 3: fans will fight you on and they will say, just 768 00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:33,000 Speaker 3: tell me where my team is gonna play, what time 769 00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,400 Speaker 3: my team is gonna play, who my team is gonna play. 770 00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:37,640 Speaker 3: I don't care about the rest of this administrative stuff, 771 00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:41,439 Speaker 3: because that, oftentimes is what we're met with, FITZI when 772 00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:45,520 Speaker 3: big stories around the business of football come out. It 773 00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:47,600 Speaker 3: just happened with the NFLPA stuff. You and I have 774 00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:51,080 Speaker 3: talked at great length in our appearances together on Fox 775 00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:53,800 Speaker 3: Sports Radio about this, as has I'm sure everybody else 776 00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:57,480 Speaker 3: with a platform here on Fox talked about this, and 777 00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:02,759 Speaker 3: largely we are met with indifference, rolling and okay, but 778 00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:06,239 Speaker 3: when does my football team play? How many interceptions were 779 00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:10,200 Speaker 3: thrown in training camp today? All these different things. If 780 00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:16,040 Speaker 3: this starts to unravel a thread around ownerships groups specifically, 781 00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,920 Speaker 3: then that and I don't want to get ahead of 782 00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,080 Speaker 3: ourselves because we don't know exactly what's in here or 783 00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:27,480 Speaker 3: what's about to be found out in discovery. But Dan Snyder. 784 00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:29,719 Speaker 3: The only reason that Dan Snyder got forced out of 785 00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:33,319 Speaker 3: the Washington Commanders is because a legal situation started to 786 00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:36,040 Speaker 3: unravel all the different things that Dan Snyder had done 787 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,759 Speaker 3: improperly that people have known and people have talked about 788 00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:41,239 Speaker 3: for years, but finally had hard evidence against him to 789 00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:43,720 Speaker 3: get him to sell a team. And yes, nothing happened 790 00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:45,839 Speaker 3: to him in a terrible way other than he had 791 00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:47,520 Speaker 3: to sell the team, and he was very much against that. 792 00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:49,000 Speaker 3: And he wants to see the rest of the NFL 793 00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:51,520 Speaker 3: ownership fail because they forced him out, but he still 794 00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:54,040 Speaker 3: got his money. If this starts to lead to a 795 00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:59,359 Speaker 3: change in ownership, if these things get loud enough around ownership, 796 00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,840 Speaker 3: and that can actually impact all the different things about 797 00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:04,680 Speaker 3: your team that you've been able to ignore. So that's 798 00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:06,840 Speaker 3: the kind of skeleton in the closet type of stuff 799 00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:09,400 Speaker 3: that I think most of us would be interested in 800 00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:10,680 Speaker 3: should it come to light. 801 00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:13,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, because we now are in this spot 802 00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:16,160 Speaker 2: where venture capitalist companies are going to be buying football 803 00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:19,640 Speaker 2: teams because the valuations have gotten so high that individuals can't. 804 00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,160 Speaker 2: If individuals are forced to sell because of some of 805 00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:24,520 Speaker 2: their actions, that's going to be a trickle down. But 806 00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:27,239 Speaker 2: most importantly, the NFL has managed to keep everything under 807 00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:30,480 Speaker 2: wraps for so long. If they can't in this situation, 808 00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:32,800 Speaker 2: it is interesting to see what it means and also 809 00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:35,600 Speaker 2: whether or not fans should care. Speaking of what fans 810 00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,200 Speaker 2: should care about, did they care at all about preseason? 811 00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:41,359 Speaker 2: We'll answer that question now. Pucking fits in for Doug 812 00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:41,760 Speaker 2: Gottlieb