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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Norrey with

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Speaker 2: you along with Matthew James Bailey. Matthew, it's truly remarkable though,

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Speaker 2: the fueling. What countries are ahead with AI.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a great question. So the US is number

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Speaker 3: one in the world in my opinion, and the reason

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Speaker 3: for saying that is because obviously we've got civicum value

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Speaker 3: that's the heart of global innovation. The US government have

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Speaker 3: invested fifty billion dollars in what they call the Chips Acts,

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Speaker 3: which is basically manufacturing of AI chips on shore inside

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Speaker 3: US borders and nine Taiwan George the Chinese can't get

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Speaker 3: access to it, and they're investing quantum computing, cybersecurity, and

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Speaker 3: they're doing a lot of stuff. So the US is

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Speaker 3: number one in the world, there's no doubt about that.

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Speaker 3: Number two, I would say is probably China. China, I

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Speaker 3: would say five years behind the US. They don't have

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Speaker 3: the U, the chips, or the the infrastructure to develop

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Speaker 3: an AI at the same pace as the US government.

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Speaker 3: And I say number three in the world is probably

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Speaker 3: the UK. And so each one of these territories, George

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Speaker 3: has a different view and artificial intelligence. They have different

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Speaker 3: AI efics standards. So the Whip in Union has their

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Speaker 3: AIX recently, which is basically all AI is are now

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Speaker 3: classified in four different in four different areas. Georgian one

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Speaker 3: is low risk, and we get medium risks, then we

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Speaker 3: get high risk, and then we get you know, basically no, no, no,

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Speaker 3: no no, We're never doing that. So example in China

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Speaker 3: that these social scoring is not intelligence. Bring Europe that band.

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Speaker 3: The US is still developing these AI ethics strategy or

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Speaker 3: the Department of Defense is doing really well, and the

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Speaker 3: US government have passed an AI Bill of Rights which

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Speaker 3: is there which is an attempt to actually make AI

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Speaker 3: safe and in line with the US Constitution. So the

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Speaker 3: US is number one, China's number two, in Europe is

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Speaker 2: You've talked about the three ages of artificial intelligence. What

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Speaker 2: are those ages?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a great question. So we're in the first

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Speaker 3: age of AI at the moment, George, which is the

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Speaker 3: age of what we call narrow AI, which is AI

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Speaker 3: that can do a single task. So for example, for

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Speaker 3: your listeners, they probably use Siri or Alexa to speak

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Speaker 3: to their phone, and that is AI doing language translating

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Speaker 3: English into or whatever language they speak into a Diesel

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Speaker 3: format and then basically they get a response like a

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Speaker 3: visit track or what's the weather or find a direction

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Speaker 3: unless you have a six Scottish accent, George. If you

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Speaker 3: have a six that, I think AI will have trouble

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Speaker 3: hearing you and understanding you. So that's the first dage

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Speaker 3: that we're at the moment, and that's and and that's

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Speaker 3: creating probably about fifteen trillion dollars of GDP, so that's

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Speaker 3: that's an additional ten percent on top of the current GDP.

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Speaker 3: So that's the age of narrow AI, single task AI. Right.

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Speaker 3: The next stage, which we're just emerging into this George,

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Speaker 3: which is the age of artificial general intelligence. This is

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Speaker 3: where AI starts to develop cognition, starts to develop listening

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Speaker 3: still as to develop the ability to do not just

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Speaker 3: one task or many tasks at the same time. And

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Speaker 3: we're just on the edge of that now. And then

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Speaker 3: the third page of artificial intelligence is what we call

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Speaker 3: the technology singularity, George, which is where AI basically becomes

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Speaker 3: more capable than the human brain and keeps on evolving.

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Speaker 3: The self programming itself to evolve way beyond the human brain.

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Speaker 3: So those are the three ages of artificial intelligence. And

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Speaker 3: but we all have a spiritual intelligence, right, we have

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Speaker 3: this eternal intelligence of your hold. So Ale will never

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Speaker 3: have our divine spark or ever have that access into

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Speaker 3: spiritual intelligence or enlightened wisdom that we have which at

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Speaker 3: the vibrational intelligence in the universe. But those are the

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Speaker 3: trillly threatings of AI based on its compatibility and comparability

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Speaker 3: to the human brain. George, go ahead, go ahead, Well,

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Speaker 3: just to help your listeners. So the first age is

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Speaker 3: less than twenty five percent of the brain's capability, right.

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Speaker 3: The second age, the age of artifician digital intelligence, is

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Speaker 3: about just under seventy five percent of the brain's capacity.

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Speaker 3: And then whenever we get to the singularity of George,

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Speaker 3: thousand and nineteen, Google created a quantum computer and gave

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Speaker 3: world's factic supercomputer would have taken ten thousand years. Quantum

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Speaker 2: That's amazing. Artificial intelligence is predicting cancer patients. It's predicting

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Speaker 3: Well, we don't know yet, and we must be careful

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Speaker 3: AI been able to predict when people die. I think

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Speaker 3: that's just too far. I think it's just very silly.

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Speaker 3: But it is unlimited. But we must remember that we assume,

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Speaker 3: as George, we are unlimited potential, right, we are this

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Speaker 3: unlimited potential with some limited intelligence. So it's important that

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Speaker 3: humanity evolves and keeps on evolving and basically maintains its

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Speaker 3: sovereignty as a divine creation and not to outsource its

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Speaker 3: sovereignty to machines and say, well, let's just give up

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Speaker 3: and let machines do everything. That's really silly. And that's

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Speaker 3: where the transhumanist movement comes in, George, which is basically,

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Speaker 3: I think that's really silly.

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Speaker 2: You've talked about transhumanism. Explain what that means.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So transhumanism was first defined by an I apologize

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Speaker 3: a SPECIs now I think as a violation of active

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Speaker 3: and design. I think we're far more interesting than that. So,

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Speaker 3: for example, for your listeners, we've just discovered the twenty

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Speaker 3: the ability to detect gravitational waves, right, which is remarkable.

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Speaker 3: So basically we're still uncovering the beauty and the majesty

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Speaker 3: the movement that says the human design is not divine,

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Speaker 3: the with the machines, it's like the bare continuum, right.

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Speaker 3: I particularly don't want to be in that future.

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Speaker 2: A robot attacked somebody at a shopping center a couple

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Speaker 2: of weeks ago. How bad? How bad is the robotics situation?

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Speaker 2: Get again?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so robots are really interesting. So there's a lot

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Speaker 3: But we use robots in manufacturing of cars, right we

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Speaker 3: So robots are being developed. I think we'll see robots

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Speaker 3: from this. They're very very dumb machines, George. How dumb,

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Speaker 3: Then effectively they're just machines that have no inner moral compass.

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Speaker 3: they're really dumb at the moment, George. But I suspect

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Speaker 3: exponentially grow George. But the moment they're very, very dumb, George,

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Speaker 2: Do you see the day, Matthew that AI will run governments?

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Speaker 3: I think the artificial intelligence, if we choose wisely and

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Speaker 3: if there's a political desire, there may not be. I

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Speaker 3: think artificial intelligence can be beneficial first of all to

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't be surprised that in ten years time, AI

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Speaker 2: Literally, like the president would speak and to a computer

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Speaker 3: Well, I think it'll be an advisor. So when we

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Speaker 2: I mean, would you be able to ask you a question,

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Speaker 2: what do we do with Vladimir Putin and the Ukraine?

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Speaker 2: And would AI actually come up with an answer?

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Speaker 2: Would it be better than an advisor?

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Speaker 3: Well, well, so it depends how far how much freedom

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Speaker 3: If for example, the US has a problem with an ally, right,

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Speaker 3: the scenarios, analyze it and give us the best options

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Speaker 3: how to act. Now, what could happen is this, if

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Speaker 3: execute that plan. But the key thing is George and

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Speaker 3: The final decision in warfare has to be a human

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Speaker 3: decision and not an AI decision. If it's an AI decision,

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Speaker 3: then we're in trouble.

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Speaker 2: You've called your book inventing World three point zero. Does

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Speaker 2: that have to do with those three ages you just mentioned?

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Speaker 3: Actually, no, no it's not, and thanks for the question.

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Speaker 3: I call it World three dot zero because this is

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Speaker 3: longer service as a human species. We choose the new destiny,

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Speaker 3: we choose the new potential of who we are, and

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Speaker 3: then we program artificial intelligence to align with that paradise

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Speaker 3: plan as we are as a human species. So World

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Speaker 3: three dot zero is a transition from today, which is

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Speaker 3: one point ho which is very human centric systems that

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Speaker 3: really don't work efficiently and really kind of are not

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Speaker 3: winning for everybody, moving into a new world reality where

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Speaker 3: AI is literally helping us to actually leak forward as

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Speaker 3: a species, where you know, everything is winning, winning for

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Speaker 3: us George as a human.

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Speaker 2: SPECIs Matthew, do you ever see the day where artificial

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Speaker 2: intelligence will become spiritual or religious?

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Speaker 3: That's a really good question. So, first of all, is

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Speaker 3: the artificial intelligence is a simulation of intelligence, right, So

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Speaker 3: it's not it's not organically it's not it's not divine

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Speaker 3: and designed. It doesn't have our divine spark, our connection

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Speaker 3: with Creator, so it never has that. But what I

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Speaker 3: sent it will do, George, is to is if it

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Speaker 3: starts to be allowed to evolve and to explore its

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Speaker 3: own existence, then I suspect it will look for you know,

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Speaker 3: I last the ultimate question what is the meaning of life,

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Speaker 3: the universe and everything? And it may come up with

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Speaker 3: what it is, right the guide of the galaxy. But

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Speaker 3: why I suspect it will do is actually come up

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Speaker 3: with the ultimate and for which I believe is love.

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Speaker 3: So I think it will eventually start to develop its

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Speaker 3: own understanding of enlightenment is and its own purpose within creation.

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Speaker 3: But I do think that it will come up with

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Speaker 3: that same answer that we all know, George, which is love.

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Speaker 2: So you think it could be compassionate?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely? Absolutely? Now Now now just to be clear, George,

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Speaker 3: is you know we all we all have that that

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Speaker 3: those compassionate algorithms, that we all have empathy, we all

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Speaker 3: have the ability to fall in love. You know, these

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Speaker 3: are these are mathematics that you simply don't understand. So

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Speaker 3: either we we invent a new set of mathematics that

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Speaker 3: allow AI to start to develop compassion. And I'm talking

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Speaker 3: about authentic compassion here, George, not not fake compassion, but real,

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Speaker 3: real compassion. If we start developing those algorithms and allowing

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Speaker 3: it to learn, then effectively it may develop compassion, It

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Speaker 3: may start to develop empathy, and start to develop some

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Speaker 3: of the best of our human characteristics, which I think

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