1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 1: And now move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:08,920 Speaker 2: All right, Buck, great to be with you. 3 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: Man. 4 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:12,159 Speaker 3: I'm excited about this episode because we have got a 5 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 3: fascinating guest that's going to join us today. We have 6 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 3: LSU's Jack Marucci. And this is someone I've dubbed him 7 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:22,200 Speaker 3: as the most interesting man in sports because I don't 8 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 3: think many people know the whole story, his background and 9 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:29,320 Speaker 3: what he's about. But obviously, as a father of a 10 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 3: baseball player and as a scout, you are aware of 11 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:35,240 Speaker 3: what Jack's done in two different sports. 12 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, he certainly is look an innovator. And I can 13 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:42,159 Speaker 4: only tell you from the dad part of having to 14 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 4: go to stores and order these bats that my son 15 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:47,639 Speaker 4: has to have and Maruchi bats and how they've kind 16 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 4: of become the bat of MLB, and how, you know, 17 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:53,280 Speaker 4: like just the technology and how he's able to do 18 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 4: it on his own. It's just a really fascinating story. 19 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 4: And so I can't wait to just talk to him, 20 00:00:57,720 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 4: not only about that part of it, but some of 21 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 4: the innovations that he's made in football and how it's 22 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:05,319 Speaker 4: impacted the game, actually impacting this guy in process. 23 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, his official title right now, is. He is the 24 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 3: director of Performance Innovation they're at LSU, someone who again 25 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:18,679 Speaker 3: has made an incredible impact in the sport of baseball, 26 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 3: but in football is really his background, is his primary background, 27 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 3: and where he's done some unbelievable innovative work, including what 28 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:28,400 Speaker 3: I'm sure some of you have read about Jayden Daniels 29 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:30,760 Speaker 3: last year and the use of technology to help in 30 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:33,320 Speaker 3: his development. So I won't spoil any more of it, 31 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 3: but I'm telling you stick around for this entire conversation. 32 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 3: It is fascinating to see not only a way to 33 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 3: kind of learn from the past and information and data 34 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 3: that's been collected, but how technology and how the evolution 35 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 3: of player development and scouting where this whole thing is headed. 36 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 3: And Jack's right at the forefront of it. So here's 37 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 3: our conversation with Jack Murci all right, Buck, Excited to 38 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 3: have him with us here, someone I know we both 39 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 3: have come in contact with on the scouting trails over 40 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 3: the years, and someone who I've dubbed, even to him, 41 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:08,800 Speaker 3: the most interesting man in all of sports, and that 42 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:09,799 Speaker 3: check Jack. 43 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 2: How you going, man, Thanks for taking some time for 44 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 2: us today. 45 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:16,640 Speaker 1: Man, exciting to be here. It's a good lookod morning, 46 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:19,360 Speaker 1: here in bat Us, and I was looking forward to this. 47 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 3: Well, I'm stoked to have you here because we've you know, 48 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 3: we've been having the same conversation that you've been having, 49 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:28,919 Speaker 3: except it's been separate. And then now you've been able 50 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 3: to take some action in an area where we've been 51 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 3: waiting for something to happen. And that is kind of 52 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 3: on the technology side, the innovation side of scouting and 53 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:40,520 Speaker 3: player development. Buck and I have been talking about that 54 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 3: for years on here, you know, as two former scouts, 55 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 3: about you know, how do we make it better, how 56 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 3: we make it more efficient, how can we you know, 57 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 3: aid the process. And it's something that you've really mastered 58 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 3: or I've really just been on a quest to master 59 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 3: here before we get to all the innovation and all 60 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 3: that's taking place. Though, I'm sure there are some folks 61 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 3: who are going to hear your name and they're going 62 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 3: to make a connection, and so we should just get 63 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 3: that out of the way, right, Can we can we 64 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 3: tell everybody about about your little bat company, your little 65 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 3: baby back company. 66 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 5: Sure, I guess you can share that also. Yeah. 67 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, So for those that don't know Jack, tell them, 68 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 3: tell us, tell them your background a little bit, Uh, 69 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 3: your affiliation, uh with with L s U over the years, 70 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:24,519 Speaker 3: and and then we'll get to the get to the 71 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 3: latest stuff here. 72 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 5: Good. 73 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 1: My background started in uh, south western Pennsylvania, Uniontown, PA, 74 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 1: obviously a football area we that we grew up in, 75 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 1: and went to West Virginia at grad school Alabama, intern 76 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 1: with the Buccaneers Cleveland Browns, and I worked with Florida 77 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 1: State for eight years with coach Bowden, then been at 78 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 1: L Shuston's ninety six came in and I originally was 79 00:03:56,720 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 1: a director of sports medicine. So and I've always had 80 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 1: contact with the scouts, which I was so interested in 81 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 1: the way they every every team went about looking at 82 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 1: the player, evaluating the player. So a lot of these 83 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 1: scouts who I knew from even at the Florida State days, 84 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 1: which would be even the early the late nineties, you know, 85 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:25,479 Speaker 1: have worked their way up through the ladder also, but 86 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 1: a lot of them are my good friends. I mean 87 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 1: they I just enjoyed the process. I think I was 88 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 1: very you know, in tune what they were looking for, 89 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:37,600 Speaker 1: very honest. 90 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:41,279 Speaker 5: So there was a real good, you know, synergy there. 91 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 1: So the batside of it, my son, this was about 92 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:49,679 Speaker 1: two thousand and two. Wanted a baseball back, a wooden 93 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 1: baseball back. And I called all the companies, I mean, 94 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 1: I called all around. No one would make them short enough, 95 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:59,719 Speaker 1: even for a major league bat, and inch really. 96 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:02,119 Speaker 5: Is a is a big deal. 97 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:04,599 Speaker 1: But for a young kid, you're trying to get a 98 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:08,839 Speaker 1: lighter bat, a smaller bat. And so after all the 99 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 1: doors kind of closed, and I used my skills from 100 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 1: eighth grade wood shop. I bought a lay from Harbor 101 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:19,720 Speaker 1: Freight for about eighty bucks and start cutting him bats. 102 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:23,799 Speaker 1: Then the relationships, as I tell people all the time, 103 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:27,360 Speaker 1: you know, relationships create opportunities. 104 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:29,600 Speaker 5: We always hear that word opportunity a lot in sports. 105 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:34,480 Speaker 1: And I did a commencement speak speech at the West 106 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 1: Virginia a couple of years ago, and I talked about that, 107 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 1: and I talked about how you never know who's going 108 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 1: to influence you, and mine was the eighth grade wood 109 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 1: shop teacher who gave me the skill set to do. 110 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:47,479 Speaker 5: A wooden bat. 111 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 1: Obviously, i'd say still today it's the greatest class I 112 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 1: ever took. 113 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 5: And my relationship with Edward Operez. 114 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 1: Who's on Major League Baseball, who's just a wonderful person, 115 00:05:58,240 --> 00:05:59,280 Speaker 1: great character guy. 116 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:02,920 Speaker 5: When he was with the Cardinals. He was the first 117 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:03,720 Speaker 5: one to sneak. 118 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 1: It in the game, and he introduced me to Albert 119 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:07,720 Speaker 1: Poolholts and Barry Larkin and the things started taking off. 120 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:11,479 Speaker 1: And you know a few trade secrets there that allowed 121 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:16,039 Speaker 1: us to get the advantage young people. So anyhow, that's 122 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:19,279 Speaker 1: the Bat Store and we became the number one bat 123 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 1: I think in two thousand and nine or ten. Louisville 124 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:27,280 Speaker 1: had a stronghold for about one hundred years on the market. 125 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 1: And so my bat, you know, my backyard shed is 126 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 1: what was the genesis of that company. 127 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 2: That is that's unbelieved. 128 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 4: What I must tell you as the father of a 129 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:46,039 Speaker 4: kid who plays college baseball at Santessee State, we have 130 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 4: purchased many. 131 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 2: Of those bats. 132 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:51,119 Speaker 4: I just shipped them off to Nebraska maybe fifteen minutes 133 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:53,720 Speaker 4: ago to play this summer baseball league. And he had 134 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 4: a couple of those Mercy bats in his back until 135 00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:00,599 Speaker 4: So I feel like I know you without having known 136 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 4: you before this podcast. But I must say, like you 137 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 4: talked about relationships and all of those things, your courage 138 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 4: to go a different path to think about being an 139 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 4: athletic training and working in athletic performance to then doing 140 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 4: pass and those things. Where'd you get the courage to 141 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 4: try a new path? 142 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 1: You know, I think it's in our DNA, because you know, 143 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 1: my mom's from Spain, my father's and fans from it. 144 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 1: I guess the immigrant and us, like I always say, 145 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 1: because we're willing to take a. 146 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 5: Risk in your DNA. 147 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 1: And I think the main thing is is that you're 148 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 1: always looking at I always looked at something and maybe 149 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 1: there is a better way to do it, you know, 150 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 1: let's not always say that we've always. 151 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 5: Done it this way. 152 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 1: I think that's the thing that we get caught up 153 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 1: sometimes in business. You know, I've seen some coaches get 154 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 1: caught up in that, and I think you get past 155 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 1: if you don't stay you know, current. But I always 156 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 1: liked looking at at things from a different angle. And 157 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 1: when I took this position from more of the performance 158 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 1: and the innovation side of it, I was already doing 159 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 1: a lot of it. And coach os don't want to says, look, 160 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 1: there's some things that you did that helped us win 161 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 1: some games. 162 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 5: And I really never realized that. 163 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 1: And he started saying, you know, from we were putting 164 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 1: guys in position to block kicks, we were putting guys 165 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 1: in position for past rush on third and long based 166 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 1: off of drills that we could do to look at 167 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 1: who's more efficient on what side. So I think it's just, 168 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 1: you know, it came natural with me. And look, I'm 169 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 1: only as good as the people around me too, and 170 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 1: you know I'm not that good, probably by myself, but 171 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 1: you know, I've always had good help here. I have 172 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 1: Mario Mcalus, who does a great job with us, and 173 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:56,080 Speaker 1: just brought in Claude Felix who's does a lot of 174 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:58,319 Speaker 1: the data collection. So we do a lot of analytics. 175 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 1: We do a lot of the you know, vance scouting, 176 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:03,960 Speaker 1: so this, you know, all this stuff. It's funny how 177 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 1: it all dovetails together. 178 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 3: Now I'm glad you're you're leading us in this direction 179 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 3: because this is what I want the majority of this 180 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 3: conversation to be about, Jack, and that is the the 181 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 3: sports performance and the development and technology realm that you 182 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 3: have really been passionate about and have really done some 183 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 3: incredible things. So when and for those that haven't read it, 184 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 3: go read the article on the Athletic. There's an article 185 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 3: on the Athletic that talks all about Jadeen Daniels and 186 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 3: what we're going to get into here throughout this conversation 187 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 3: about some some things that were done there that have 188 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 3: helped him that are going to continue to grow and 189 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:39,080 Speaker 3: develop there. But before we get to that, I want 190 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:41,960 Speaker 3: to start with, what was the first project that you've done? 191 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:45,719 Speaker 3: Because a lot of this, uh, this this revolution has 192 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 3: taken place just because you had an idea and it 193 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 3: was a project something you wanted to get into. What 194 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 3: was the first one when you kind of transitioned out 195 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 3: of just a traditional training role to now, okay, let's 196 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 3: use some innovation here. 197 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 1: I think one of the things we did look at, 198 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:01,320 Speaker 1: and again I'm was working on some of these things, 199 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 1: but when I had the full time to do it, 200 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 1: we could really capitalize on it. One thing I looked 201 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 1: at was we call it a twenty year study. We 202 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 1: looked at the twenty years of LSU football players that 203 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:15,560 Speaker 1: played here. We looked at demographics, we looked at what 204 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:18,680 Speaker 1: star rating they were. We looked at production so we 205 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 1: could see it starts. We could look at how many 206 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 1: games played special teams. Then the hardest thing to really objectify, 207 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 1: which I think we've done a better job and really 208 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 1: was the character of the player. We also looked at 209 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:35,439 Speaker 1: how they process the game, and I think that word 210 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:38,080 Speaker 1: is very strong because it was Another company that we 211 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:42,320 Speaker 1: helped work with was the S two and that's where 212 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:44,840 Speaker 1: you can look at some of the processing really that's 213 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 1: designed to put people in the right position or as 214 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:49,840 Speaker 1: a figure team. 215 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 5: So we started looking at also. 216 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:57,080 Speaker 1: From guys from different areas of the country, maybe more 217 00:10:57,120 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 1: blue collar or just looking at everything that we could. 218 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:03,680 Speaker 1: Then we looked at the NFL who signed a second 219 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:09,239 Speaker 1: contract and you know it's less than thirty percent typically, 220 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 1: and what you know, what were those guys? What did 221 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 1: those guys have that the other guys didn't. Now, we 222 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:19,440 Speaker 1: know they have talent if they come here, they have talent. 223 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 5: We know that. 224 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 1: And you guys have been around the game enough and 225 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:24,560 Speaker 1: you've seen very talented players, and you may have scout 226 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 1: scouted talented players. Why didn't they make it? So these 227 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 1: were something that we wanted to tie in with recruiting 228 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 1: to to find out why did these teams win? 229 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:34,320 Speaker 5: And I was fortunate. 230 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 1: I've been part of four championship teams and I can 231 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 1: go all the way back to Florida State. If you 232 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:40,560 Speaker 1: look at who our leaders or were. Derek Brooks Woard 233 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 1: gun Charlie Ward, so guys that I still keep in 234 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:46,559 Speaker 1: touch with. Yeah, very talented players, but look at the character. 235 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:50,679 Speaker 1: Look at the way they processed the game then RO 236 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 1: three team seven to nineteen of the latest team. If 237 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 1: you look at that dynamic, that is a very very 238 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:06,680 Speaker 1: you know, NFL high IQ high character and all the 239 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 1: demographics seem to fall in place in the chemistry. So 240 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 1: this was one of the biggest projects that we really 241 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:16,319 Speaker 1: and it's still ongoing. And I think if you really 242 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 1: look at some of these things, because I always said 243 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 1: we get seduced by talent. 244 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:22,199 Speaker 5: Because we're guys. We always want to be with the 245 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 5: best looking. 246 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:25,559 Speaker 1: Girl, right, I mean we have to have that because 247 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:27,560 Speaker 1: our buddies tell you how good she looks, and so 248 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 1: we try to justify it. 249 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:30,840 Speaker 5: So I think we do that in talent. 250 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 2: We want the. 251 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 5: Five star guy it looks good. 252 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 1: But if you look at LSU's history, it a lot 253 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:40,840 Speaker 1: of the three stars have been one of our highest 254 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 1: producing here and into the NFL. 255 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:46,440 Speaker 5: So I think you have to look at the characteristics. 256 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 1: I think when we take analytics, I think what people 257 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 1: miss on and I think this is where people get 258 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:56,679 Speaker 1: enamored by someone's from a certain degree program or they 259 00:12:57,160 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 1: you know, they can do a certain coding, but really 260 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:04,200 Speaker 1: it comes down to I think it's reverse. It's not 261 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 1: just the number. It's really about the person. It's about 262 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:12,320 Speaker 1: the individual, and I think that's where we've spent more 263 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 1: time in that. Then then we can look at the production. 264 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:18,840 Speaker 1: Then we can find these things because if guys don't 265 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:21,839 Speaker 1: make it, it usually typically as a character, or they 266 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:26,080 Speaker 1: didn't have the football IQ or things of not talent. 267 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 1: But these are the other parts that we talk about, 268 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 1: and I think this project that we're able to do, 269 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 1: get it in this database, and we're running these numbers 270 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:37,960 Speaker 1: now and continue to add things that we think are 271 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:42,320 Speaker 1: going to be a really important piece. So the other 272 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 1: bigger things that we looked at. One of the things 273 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:48,680 Speaker 1: is the Jane Daniels piece. I think when you look 274 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 1: at that, you know we had EA sports on campus 275 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 1: here and this was five at least five years ago. 276 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 1: We were trying maybe a little longer, maybe six, but 277 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 1: we were trying to use that plays because I had 278 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:05,200 Speaker 1: the idea of immersing the player into the game because 279 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 1: if we can get more reps out of somebody, and 280 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 1: there is a huge advantage of seeing something we know that. 281 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 1: I mean, that's just aftro. I always use some analogies 282 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 1: to explain that. But I think if we could do 283 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 1: that some some way to give it more of a 284 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 1: realistic approach. And so this is when the company from Germany, Cognalized, 285 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 1: came into our world and I saw it right away 286 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 1: and I knew if we give them. 287 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:42,239 Speaker 5: The right direction, and they had the vision too, because. 288 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 1: They've been unbelievable to work with, and I felt like 289 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 1: this could be a game changer. So that was one 290 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 1: of the pieces I really believed that you know, could change. 291 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 1: And look, it all starts with the quarterback. We all 292 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 1: can look at success. It's predicated in college too, so 293 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 1: we really have to study this position. And we've done 294 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 1: other metrics to looking at predictive pieces for quarterbacks. We 295 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 1: have a we have a huge database since twenty sixteen 296 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 1: with all the quarterback data in it, and we're looking 297 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 1: at some more predictive pieces. But you know, we have 298 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 1: to really champion the idea. Let let let's exhaust ourselves 299 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 1: to find out what these quarterbacks, how they how they 300 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 1: you know, process the game, what kind of leadership, kind 301 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 1: of character, you know, what what is really inside that 302 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 1: person and I think that's where you can start to 303 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 1: try to objectify and quantify these things that we. 304 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 5: Gives us a little bit better picture. 305 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 1: Because as you guys know, the draft is so you know, 306 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 1: we hear all these opinions, but I think we can 307 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 1: narrow it down if you're starting to look at other 308 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 1: other pieces and same thing. We're putting technology in the football. 309 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 1: We're looking at the chip that can give us the 310 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 1: ability to see if the quarterbacks getting better, is he 311 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 1: getting fatigued, if he has an injury that week? You know, 312 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 1: is he improving on spin rates, wible rates, the apex 313 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 1: of the throws I mentioned earlier. We also transition that 314 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 1: all into looking at pass rush. 315 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 3: We looked at explain the pass rush thing, Jack, Explain 316 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 3: to me, like, how how you what you guys have learned. 317 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 1: From We created a drill that can simulate a normal 318 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 1: pass rush. Have it where it gives us reaction time 319 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 1: and closing speed and they have to bend at the tip. 320 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 1: So now we're putting them into an environment of what 321 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 1: we feel like it can give us a clearer picture 322 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 1: for third and long for pass rush because if you 323 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 1: think about it, and this is this is how all 324 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 1: this stuff ties in. I learned this from baseball, from 325 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 1: your dominant eye. I looked at things how you see 326 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 1: the football and which way you want to turn. 327 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 5: It's the same thing with pass rush. 328 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 1: So a lot of these guys from a stance, maybe 329 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 1: we changed their stances up to look at what's the 330 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:05,200 Speaker 1: most efficient. We look at, you know, from maybe a 331 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 1: guy just feels more comfortable on one side or the other, 332 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:10,679 Speaker 1: but we can quantify that and we've been able to 333 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:14,640 Speaker 1: tie that in to you know, the testing we've done. 334 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 1: We had a player named Jay Ward who plays for 335 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 1: the Vikings, who blocked four kicks. 336 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:21,159 Speaker 5: But we identified this guy is really. 337 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 1: Explosive off the right side, and he won a game 338 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:26,440 Speaker 1: for us as a matter of fact, And I talked 339 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:28,359 Speaker 1: to him and he says, even in the NFL, I 340 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:30,680 Speaker 1: think the first time he had an opportunity to do it, 341 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 1: they did the scouts, you know, listen to our spiel 342 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 1: as we would say about how efficient he is on 343 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:40,679 Speaker 1: this certain side for blocking kicks. So they did it, 344 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:44,160 Speaker 1: and I think he jumped off sides on the first game. 345 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:46,479 Speaker 1: Then all of a sudden he got a reputation. They 346 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 1: said they were almost coming down and was doubling him 347 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:50,240 Speaker 1: in a freedom guy and. 348 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 5: They end up blocking a kick. So I think the 349 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 5: things that we can learn because we don't. 350 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 1: Have that much time with these guys, I mean, we 351 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 1: have to identify what their strengths are. Let's capitalize on 352 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:05,359 Speaker 1: what they do well. Let's capitalize on things that are 353 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 1: going to make the team better. And I think that's 354 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 1: again we have to find out quickly. And I always 355 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:14,879 Speaker 1: say talk to the player. They really can give you 356 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:19,200 Speaker 1: some insights. We had a player, ty Davis Price, he 357 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:22,639 Speaker 1: struggled for this was his last season here. 358 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 5: This was several years ago. 359 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 3: And. 360 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:29,639 Speaker 1: We did some testing on what type of runner he'd be, 361 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 1: Probably better counter runner. He was like Leonard from that. 362 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 1: They operate a little better with a fullback and it's 363 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:39,680 Speaker 1: just a way they see the field. They don't press 364 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:43,359 Speaker 1: the line maybe as well, And so we looked at 365 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 1: the concepts of runs and the formations and we changed it. 366 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 1: I think he got one hundred yards against Kentucky. Then look, 367 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:56,680 Speaker 1: some of it might be luck. He broke the school 368 00:18:56,720 --> 00:19:00,200 Speaker 1: record against Florida and he was averying almost lesson three 369 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 1: yards of carry. I mean he was like three really struggling. 370 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:07,439 Speaker 1: But again, you're finding the strength of that player. You know, 371 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 1: you don't know what you have on your team sometimes 372 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 1: until you really dissect and have somebody looking at this. 373 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:16,879 Speaker 4: You know, Jack just so fascinating from so many different standpoints. 374 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:20,480 Speaker 4: You talk about Jayden and Daniels and what you guys did. 375 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:23,639 Speaker 4: I always find it fascinating and talking to young guys, 376 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 4: particularly at the high school level, even in college, they 377 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 4: would download their entire playbook and play mad or the 378 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 4: old version of the college football game to help get 379 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 4: them the reps. It sounds like that you've been able 380 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:39,440 Speaker 4: to kind of take that when you're talking about immersing 381 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:42,880 Speaker 4: players in the game, but play to I would say 382 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:47,439 Speaker 4: this young's generation's environment where they're so used to doing 383 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 4: so many different things, where it's like the optics and 384 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 4: all that other stuff to help them get better. How 385 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:56,360 Speaker 4: has it been received from the players, like getting those 386 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:58,920 Speaker 4: extra reps in all the time you. 387 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 5: Hit the knell on the head their thing. The player 388 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:02,879 Speaker 5: is gonna have to want to do it. I can't. 389 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 1: We can't make anybody right, and so you have to think, well, 390 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:09,120 Speaker 1: what do they do every day? 391 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:09,440 Speaker 2: Right? 392 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 5: They're on their device, they do play games. 393 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 1: But I always say anything that's new or technology, I 394 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:17,920 Speaker 1: even did it as an athletic trainer, a new brace 395 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:19,720 Speaker 1: would come up. If the player didn't like it or 396 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 1: they didn't feel comfortable with it, then it's it's not 397 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:26,720 Speaker 1: gonna work, and let's move another. Let's move a little 398 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 1: further if the coaches don't want to do it. Now 399 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:30,680 Speaker 1: that all starts at the top. We have a head 400 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:35,400 Speaker 1: coach that likes technology, he likes data. Our quarterback coach, 401 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:40,439 Speaker 1: Joe Sloan embraced it. So now when Jayden saw it, 402 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 1: he goes, this, this will work for us, This will 403 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:47,920 Speaker 1: work for us. So I think when the player has 404 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:51,400 Speaker 1: it on, I have never heard a player say this 405 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 1: isn't something I would not use. We have not, and 406 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:59,199 Speaker 1: trust me, we've seen hundreds of players. I've seen NFL 407 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 1: players with it, and I think that's, you know, it's 408 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:05,879 Speaker 1: capturing what they have. So think about, if you're watching 409 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:09,720 Speaker 1: film just in the room, how we traditionally did it, 410 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 1: and I think you still have to watch it. I'm 411 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:16,439 Speaker 1: not saying that, but I'm talking about attention. We know 412 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:20,840 Speaker 1: basically from an attention span, we may get thirty minutes 413 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:24,040 Speaker 1: out of these guys, twenty thirty minutes based off of 414 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:28,960 Speaker 1: testing data and if you have a device on, you're 415 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:31,359 Speaker 1: not looking at your phone. You are locked in. I 416 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:34,719 Speaker 1: mean you are locked in and you're watching what's going on. So, 417 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:39,680 Speaker 1: as we stated, you're immersed on the field. So this 418 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 1: device had and again this is more AI. We call 419 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 1: it VR, but it's really AI on the background. The 420 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 1: VR gives you a vehicle to get to it. So 421 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 1: we have eight to nine hundred plays basically in this playbook. 422 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:56,639 Speaker 1: As you were stating, it is on the it's on 423 00:21:56,720 --> 00:22:03,680 Speaker 1: the device. So it allows the player to see different situations. 424 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 1: So if it's different coverages, if it's cover one, if 425 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:12,439 Speaker 1: it's quarters, you know, dollar or whatever, they can see 426 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:16,360 Speaker 1: the safety shift. These are things that we can put 427 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:19,160 Speaker 1: into the device after you scout what the teams they're doing. 428 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 1: We also immersed them into the stadium that we were 429 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:25,639 Speaker 1: going to play. So if we were on the road 430 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:28,400 Speaker 1: and the first game we did it was Mississippi State, 431 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:32,680 Speaker 1: they have a very large scoreboard that sits on it. It's 432 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:34,920 Speaker 1: just like a hitter's eye. So the quarterback, we're trying 433 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 1: to give them to feel what's exactly going to be. 434 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 5: He knows where the play clocks are. 435 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:42,480 Speaker 1: Now, now you're taking the edge off of trying to 436 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 1: get into that new environment. 437 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:45,399 Speaker 5: Remember, Jaden hadn't been on the road. 438 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:48,879 Speaker 1: He played one season with us in the next group 439 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 1: that we were playing. He hasn't seen the stadiums, so 440 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:54,879 Speaker 1: we're trying to give him a basically prime or brain 441 00:22:55,000 --> 00:23:00,239 Speaker 1: to be into this situation. So it gave him a 442 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:04,639 Speaker 1: lot more you know, comfortability to see what it's going 443 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:08,160 Speaker 1: to be like on the road. And when we did 444 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:12,440 Speaker 1: it for this first game, his efficiency looked really good. 445 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 1: Now again, was this was this something that was just 446 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:18,920 Speaker 1: a fluke? And I mean we had two drops, he 447 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:21,399 Speaker 1: would have been like thirty two for thirty four. But 448 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:24,159 Speaker 1: he says something to me after the game, He goes, 449 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:28,360 Speaker 1: that really made a difference. We need to do more now. 450 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:31,439 Speaker 1: That gets our juices going. So that's when we just 451 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:35,640 Speaker 1: kept putting in the game plan. On a Wednesday, then 452 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:38,400 Speaker 1: we would put in we might have had about eighty 453 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,120 Speaker 1: five percent into the system, so after. 454 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 5: Practice he would rep. He would. 455 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:48,400 Speaker 1: Then get more reps. On our Thursday. We would bring 456 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 1: in red zone. We would put in pressures if we 457 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 1: knew guys had different pressures, if he had like cat 458 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 1: pressures coming off front of the edge or the corners 459 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 1: or whatever it may be. Then on Friday we'd go 460 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 1: over the whole game plan that was complete. So basically 461 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:05,199 Speaker 1: he was playing the game before the game, and I 462 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:10,160 Speaker 1: think that's where he was picking up an extra two 463 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty reps per week. If you think about that, 464 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 1: is that is outstanding without getting hurt, without you know, 465 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 1: trying to get guys to line up, trying to get 466 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 1: guys to put them in the right spot. 467 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:23,560 Speaker 5: For what you're going to see. 468 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 1: So now we've really narrowed the gap and making things 469 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:32,199 Speaker 1: see what you're going to you know, potentially see in 470 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:34,920 Speaker 1: the game. I think it taught him. There's a couple 471 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 1: of things that I think it really allowed him. We 472 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:41,440 Speaker 1: knew we wanted him to anticipate better. We knew through 473 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 1: some of the stuff we wanted to improve that. 474 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 5: Now. 475 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 1: I will say this about Jane Daniels. He worked hard. 476 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:53,320 Speaker 1: He came in the mornings at five point thirty. We 477 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 1: had a great quarterback coach that gave him skill set 478 00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 1: to become a better player. The players around him we 479 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 1: did out of talent, grab those guys and do extra 480 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 1: work to develop the chemistry which I've seen consistently on 481 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 1: the good teams. So all that has to be in 482 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 1: this equation, and it's probably not one thing. And I 483 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 1: think it's a it's a it's it's a collective. But 484 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:20,680 Speaker 1: I think when he started in this system, we kept 485 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 1: bumping up the speed so he was seeing it at 486 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 1: a faster speed. End of the season, we bumped this 487 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:32,360 Speaker 1: thing up seventy percent faster and he was just seeing it. 488 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:35,440 Speaker 1: I mean, now he learned to anticipate. He could throw 489 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:37,639 Speaker 1: to the gap where that receiver in dB was going 490 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:42,160 Speaker 1: to be. He could throw to the spot. He became 491 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:45,359 Speaker 1: so fast because we had an eye scanner. Now we 492 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 1: could see what he was looking at. His progressions were 493 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:52,879 Speaker 1: just improving every week. His stare down time wasn't nearly 494 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 1: as long. He wasn't staring down at the dB. He 495 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,959 Speaker 1: wasn't staring down at the receiver. And those are objective 496 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,639 Speaker 1: pieces that we we could we could achieve it. 497 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:04,880 Speaker 5: So he said to me at. 498 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:06,879 Speaker 1: The end of the season, we were playing at A 499 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,400 Speaker 1: and M, and I said, this is our last game. 500 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:11,840 Speaker 1: How much do you think this device really gave you? 501 00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:16,040 Speaker 1: Give you, you know, the ability to see the field, 502 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:18,159 Speaker 1: just to see the field, And I'm thinking, give me 503 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 1: five ten percent you know, yeah, it's. 504 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:22,440 Speaker 5: An effort and give me five. He said. 505 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:27,720 Speaker 1: It changed the way he saw it. And so that's 506 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 1: why I said, this thing has really made a difference. 507 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:35,240 Speaker 1: This is a technology and if you think. 508 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 5: About it now, we can build it out. We're working now. 509 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:43,120 Speaker 1: The goals for third down blitz pick up, looking at protections, 510 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:48,120 Speaker 1: which way you're gonna slide middle linebacker play is incredible 511 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:50,480 Speaker 1: because you're going to be able to look at you know, 512 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 1: let's let's see what they see in the box safety play. 513 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 1: So I also see it as a rehab tool that 514 00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:00,920 Speaker 1: because the cognitive piece, you know, oh, a medical ad 515 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,480 Speaker 1: on that side of it, but to put guys back 516 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:05,400 Speaker 1: into a normal environment. 517 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 5: Where they have to move shift. 518 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,600 Speaker 1: Again, you're locked in, you're not thinking about your need, 519 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 1: you're not thinking about your ag and that way you 520 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 1: can see guys more cognitively or locked in. And so 521 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,240 Speaker 1: now they have a normal gait, their kind of sthetic 522 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:24,520 Speaker 1: awareness is being developed. 523 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:27,320 Speaker 3: All right, buck, let's take a quick break. We'll get 524 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:34,840 Speaker 3: back to our conversation with Jack Murcci. There's so many 525 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,679 Speaker 3: different fascinating areas of this thing. One of the I 526 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:39,240 Speaker 3: had a couple of questions. I want to ask you 527 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:43,040 Speaker 3: if this is if this is currently possible or eventually possible. 528 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,480 Speaker 3: When you are looking at an opponent, say you load 529 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,280 Speaker 3: up everything, Well, you might have teams you might play, 530 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 3: you know, Mississippi State. In the next week, you play Alabama. Well, 531 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:54,959 Speaker 3: technically they might be running the same defense, that might 532 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 3: run the same coverages, but the difference in athleticism from 533 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:00,399 Speaker 3: that free safety from Alabama is going to be different 534 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,960 Speaker 3: than the athleticism from the free safety of Mississippi State. 535 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:06,199 Speaker 3: We have the technology out there obviously with GPS, to 536 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,400 Speaker 3: be able to get GPS numbers on guys. We get 537 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 3: it as they go through the week of practice, we 538 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:13,159 Speaker 3: get it from the games themselves. Can you incorporate that 539 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 3: into the device and that based off your opponent speed 540 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:19,000 Speaker 3: like you might know, Okay, I can make this rail 541 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:22,399 Speaker 3: shot throw against this free safety from Mississippi State, but 542 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,199 Speaker 3: the guy from Alabama based off the GPS, that's going 543 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 3: to change your perspective on the same route against the 544 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:28,600 Speaker 3: same coverage. 545 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,439 Speaker 1: I love the question because it is so insightful that 546 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:36,680 Speaker 1: it is wonderful because yes, the answer is yes, we've 547 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 1: already because we can get GPS on other teams. We 548 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:44,040 Speaker 1: get so the coding with the AI. It is all 549 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:47,960 Speaker 1: machine learning and it adapts. But yes, you can make 550 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:52,520 Speaker 1: that safety move quicker. Yes, you can make that pass 551 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,400 Speaker 1: rush guy more dominant coming off that end. So if 552 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 1: you're playing TJ. Watt or whoever it may be, Aaron Darton, 553 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:03,000 Speaker 1: yes can develop that so that skill set is different. 554 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:08,000 Speaker 1: So you can base it off of the talent of 555 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,960 Speaker 1: that player. Because if that's safety, you know that safety, 556 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 1: like you said, maybe one of these teams that safety 557 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:15,640 Speaker 1: just can't get over. 558 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:17,000 Speaker 5: There and you can make that throw. 559 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 1: Well, now let's let's change the dynamic where that's safety. 560 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:25,440 Speaker 5: Maybe they aren't playing something similar. 561 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:29,480 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, and and and they maybe they bracket somebody 562 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:34,120 Speaker 1: or they have the ability to be Also from a 563 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:38,480 Speaker 1: football IQ, you can make a player, you know, maybe 564 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,880 Speaker 1: play at a different you know, scope from the from 565 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,479 Speaker 1: the way they process. So yes, all these things can 566 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,719 Speaker 1: be built in to simulate it. Just think about it. 567 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:51,200 Speaker 1: If if you play a team that you struggle with, 568 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:54,360 Speaker 1: that it's just a team from a mental standpoint. 569 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,640 Speaker 5: Well let's attack that. Let's find out what are the 570 00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 5: things that you struggle with. 571 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,000 Speaker 1: Maybe it's a certain coverage they play, maybe it's a 572 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:02,200 Speaker 1: hybrid coverage. 573 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,120 Speaker 5: Maybe now let's put that in there. 574 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,760 Speaker 1: What it does, it gives the player confidence too, because 575 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,680 Speaker 1: again you're playing the game or the game, but it 576 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,480 Speaker 1: allows them to have more of a comfort when you're 577 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:18,680 Speaker 1: going into an environment and and maybe takes away some 578 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:22,040 Speaker 1: of those mental blocks that we struggle with. And to me, 579 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,520 Speaker 1: I go back to the data, data analytics and sports science. 580 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:29,360 Speaker 1: I say, it's sports common sense, right, it's data. We 581 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,560 Speaker 1: all want to sound smarter, but you break it down 582 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:37,320 Speaker 1: and use our common sense and things and look at 583 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:37,840 Speaker 1: it that way. 584 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,720 Speaker 5: I think you really have a lot of advantages working 585 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 5: with these technologies. You know. 586 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:44,760 Speaker 4: So basically what you're saying, it's almost like putting the 587 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:47,360 Speaker 4: donut under bat. You're making it heavier, so then when 588 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,880 Speaker 4: ever moved the donut, it's lighter. I'm a little more advanced. 589 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:54,720 Speaker 4: I'm comfortable as someone who while you were at Florida State, 590 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,000 Speaker 4: that was at North Carolina. So obviously we face each 591 00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,320 Speaker 4: other like the ninety three team. 592 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 2: I've worked with doctor. 593 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:03,880 Speaker 4: Richard Coop and one of the things that he did 594 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:07,200 Speaker 4: on Friday nights we did visualization. What he would try 595 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,520 Speaker 4: and get us as young players to do is to 596 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,200 Speaker 4: play the game in your head. The night before you 597 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:15,320 Speaker 4: actually played the game on Saturday afternoon. To think about 598 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:18,640 Speaker 4: what you're allowing those players to be able to experience. 599 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:22,200 Speaker 4: You basically are allowing them to play the game in 600 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,960 Speaker 4: slow motion on game day. We always talk about the 601 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 4: game slowing down. 602 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:26,800 Speaker 2: From older players. 603 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:31,200 Speaker 4: Well, what the technology is doing is really accelerating their 604 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:35,160 Speaker 4: development and processing. So now they're playing comfortably and they're 605 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:38,280 Speaker 4: able to be more aggressive on game day because they 606 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:39,480 Speaker 4: kind of know what is coming. 607 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:43,440 Speaker 1: I mean, again, so well said. I mean it is 608 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:48,000 Speaker 1: just like perfect what you just said. Because the players 609 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:52,920 Speaker 1: that last, even in NFL, they're so prepared, it does 610 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:53,600 Speaker 1: slow down. 611 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:55,560 Speaker 5: They don't have to be the fastest guy, but they 612 00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:56,360 Speaker 5: can play faster. 613 00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:01,280 Speaker 1: And when you can visualize things, and this gives you 614 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:05,280 Speaker 1: probably the best that you could have because you're visualizing 615 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:09,320 Speaker 1: exactly what you may see. It's your offense and the 616 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:11,760 Speaker 1: potential of what's going to happen, and you can put 617 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,760 Speaker 1: a ton of scenarios in there. And I remember playing 618 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:16,440 Speaker 1: in North Carolina because that was going to be a 619 00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:20,920 Speaker 1: rowdy game, rowdy stadium. I mean, I think you guys 620 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:25,320 Speaker 1: are in the top I maybe, and I mean those 621 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:28,040 Speaker 1: are the Derrick Brooks team, and I remember Coach Bowden 622 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:32,080 Speaker 1: that night trying to visualize this stadium is gonna be 623 00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:33,000 Speaker 1: a lot happening. 624 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:33,720 Speaker 5: There's gonna be a. 625 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,680 Speaker 1: Lot of that powdered blue. And I remember him and 626 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:39,520 Speaker 1: talking to Charlie and the guys. He always had great 627 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:43,880 Speaker 1: team meetings at Friday night, and I remember that and 628 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:48,600 Speaker 1: he talked about the visualization of that game, and I 629 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,440 Speaker 1: think you're right, it slows things down. I put it 630 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:55,120 Speaker 1: this way. I think I use this example. If I 631 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,520 Speaker 1: live in the woods somewhere and I have all these 632 00:32:58,640 --> 00:32:59,560 Speaker 1: turns and. 633 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:01,400 Speaker 5: And I'm driving this. 634 00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:06,280 Speaker 1: Nineteen ninety five f one fifty, but I can get 635 00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:07,320 Speaker 1: through there pretty quick. 636 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:09,760 Speaker 5: You got a maserati today. 637 00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:12,680 Speaker 1: You come over to the house now, a lot of 638 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,240 Speaker 1: tournament and I bet you don't get out of third 639 00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:19,760 Speaker 1: year because it is two. It's there's it's not lit well. 640 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,520 Speaker 1: But I've repped it. I've repped it so I can 641 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:24,520 Speaker 1: play fast. That's the best way I think I can 642 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:28,760 Speaker 1: really explain and for most people to understand. 643 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,640 Speaker 3: Well, we talk a lot about quarterbacks and the benefits here, Jack, 644 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,760 Speaker 3: but I'm just curious. And this is again to me, 645 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:37,480 Speaker 3: it's all of sports. Bucky and I talk about this 646 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:39,320 Speaker 3: all the time, Like the spine of your team that 647 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:41,280 Speaker 3: you know, is you build your team right through the middle. 648 00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,479 Speaker 3: We think about it in baseball, talk about that all 649 00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:45,520 Speaker 3: the time. You think about that in football. But I 650 00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,200 Speaker 3: think of not just quarterback. I think of center, I 651 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:51,120 Speaker 3: think of middle, linebacker. I think of safety, of what 652 00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:53,640 Speaker 3: a benefit this would be. And I'm thinking about it 653 00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:57,080 Speaker 3: from a scouting component, like are we headed towards the 654 00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,960 Speaker 3: days where you can instead of us sitting in there 655 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:03,880 Speaker 3: for that you know, generic fifteen to twenty minute combine 656 00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:08,560 Speaker 3: interview when we're parading three centers in there and we've decided, 657 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:10,880 Speaker 3: you know, our second or third round pick is going 658 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,000 Speaker 3: to be dedicated to getting our center of the future, 659 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:14,719 Speaker 3: and we've got a handful of guys we're going to 660 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,000 Speaker 3: do our homework on. And instead of sitting there and 661 00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:18,480 Speaker 3: just talking to them the whole time and have them 662 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,000 Speaker 3: getting up on the board, we can actually put the 663 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:24,480 Speaker 3: device on these guys and show them different fronts, have 664 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:26,120 Speaker 3: them explain what they're seeing. 665 00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:27,200 Speaker 2: Do you see what? 666 00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:30,000 Speaker 3: Have them react in real time? How do they see 667 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,799 Speaker 3: the field? How do they communicate in the room? Like that, 668 00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,000 Speaker 3: to me is going to be so much more beneficial 669 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:36,960 Speaker 3: on the scouting side of things. And it feels like 670 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:38,839 Speaker 3: that's the future, if it's not already here. 671 00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:44,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that question because you're right, and that 672 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:46,000 Speaker 1: you let the secret out. 673 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,799 Speaker 5: Let's look up the middle again. The championship teams we had, 674 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,480 Speaker 5: that's what we had. You have to start there. 675 00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:59,719 Speaker 1: Those are cognitive positions, and I think that this king 676 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,759 Speaker 1: you a lot of traits that you want to know 677 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,400 Speaker 1: about that player. You mentioned it, how they call it, 678 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:09,040 Speaker 1: how they how they can see the where the pressures? 679 00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:12,080 Speaker 5: Can they see that? Can they you know, can they 680 00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:13,600 Speaker 5: stay calm in those situations? 681 00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,440 Speaker 1: I think yes, I think you can really learn a 682 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:20,600 Speaker 1: lot about that player because it's it's no different than 683 00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:22,160 Speaker 1: when you try to put them up on the board. 684 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,760 Speaker 1: You have them right, and I mean I think that's good. 685 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,479 Speaker 1: I really do, and they right, you know. 686 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,319 Speaker 3: But this generation doesn't really learn that way. 687 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:31,359 Speaker 5: They don't learn that way. 688 00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:36,000 Speaker 1: Look, we based off the studies, I'd say only maybe 689 00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:40,880 Speaker 1: twenty percent. Now the other eighty we have to have 690 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:44,319 Speaker 1: applied learning. We have to do skill sets that we 691 00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:45,440 Speaker 1: touch and feel. 692 00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:46,399 Speaker 5: That's how we learn. 693 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,279 Speaker 1: I go back to the wood shop, right, there's things 694 00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:53,480 Speaker 1: I learned in our blue collar school, right are so 695 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:58,759 Speaker 1: wood shop typing, But you're touching it, you're feeling it, 696 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,320 Speaker 1: and it's going to stay with you. You know, the 697 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,400 Speaker 1: days of just watching a you know, a power point 698 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,240 Speaker 1: and you watch it and you got to learn. 699 00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:09,120 Speaker 5: It and memorize it. And that's who we think. 700 00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:11,839 Speaker 1: That's smart though, That's how we we look at intelligence 701 00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:15,239 Speaker 1: because people can memorize something and get great grades. I'm 702 00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:19,480 Speaker 1: not saying, but my point is, you know, there's you 703 00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:22,320 Speaker 1: have to go further than that. Intelligence is common sense. 704 00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:23,920 Speaker 1: Are you creative? How do you work in a group, 705 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,200 Speaker 1: how do you lead people? How do you you know, 706 00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:28,279 Speaker 1: there's a lot of dynamics that we can't test for 707 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:30,359 Speaker 1: until we get out into the real world and do it. 708 00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,360 Speaker 5: But that's how we should be learning. 709 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,720 Speaker 1: We should be learning more in an applied learning state, 710 00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:38,960 Speaker 1: and that's where you can put them in that environment 711 00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:40,919 Speaker 1: to see how they're going to perform, because that's gonna 712 00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,040 Speaker 1: be the closest you can get to what it's going 713 00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:47,040 Speaker 1: to be like because everybody can have all these traits too. 714 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,279 Speaker 1: There's a couple x factors high high high anxiety level. 715 00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,400 Speaker 1: You have to have anxiety to be a high performer. 716 00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,040 Speaker 1: But if you're over the top or you don't have 717 00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:58,480 Speaker 1: emotional maturity, it can x out all those great traits. 718 00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,759 Speaker 1: So I think those are all things you have to 719 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,600 Speaker 1: look at and observe in these situations. You know. 720 00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:08,320 Speaker 4: I'm really curious now about the twenty years study because 721 00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:10,800 Speaker 4: to me, that sounds like being in a front office 722 00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:13,600 Speaker 4: of a team, and I know colleges are kind of 723 00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:15,840 Speaker 4: becoming like that, particularly on the football side. 724 00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:17,040 Speaker 2: How has. 725 00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:21,920 Speaker 4: I guess some of the recruiting directors, personnel people have 726 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,400 Speaker 4: they received the study and how they tried to apply it. 727 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:28,160 Speaker 1: As it relates to LSU, It's been very good. It's 728 00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:32,320 Speaker 1: been very good because one good thing when you have success, 729 00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,440 Speaker 1: that has to be the you know, such the tone. 730 00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,200 Speaker 1: And fortunately we've had a lot of success and as 731 00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:43,000 Speaker 1: you know, LSU has had a high high volume. Actually, 732 00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:49,400 Speaker 1: LSU has one of the highest sustainability players in the NFL. 733 00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:53,120 Speaker 1: They are in because we looked at all the other schools, 734 00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:57,400 Speaker 1: and again I think it's all brought upon you know, 735 00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,239 Speaker 1: look at per capita, even Louisiane. I think one out 736 00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:04,680 Speaker 1: of thirty seven thousand boys play in the NFL. That 737 00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,680 Speaker 1: is an unbelievable number. The general populations. I think it's 738 00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:12,319 Speaker 1: one out of one hundred and thirty thousand. So I 739 00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:14,840 Speaker 1: think when you start bringing this twenty year study and 740 00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,799 Speaker 1: you bring in all this data together and the success 741 00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:22,560 Speaker 1: within those numbers, I think it gives it a credibility. 742 00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:24,400 Speaker 5: Now, that doesn't mean. 743 00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:26,560 Speaker 1: That people aren't still going to you know, you stray 744 00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:28,600 Speaker 1: away from things, and that's just the way it is. 745 00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:31,880 Speaker 1: And look, you can take chances and you you know, 746 00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:35,319 Speaker 1: sometimes the metrics aren't going to match up on I'm 747 00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,400 Speaker 1: talking about from a. 748 00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,719 Speaker 5: Size speed like a Tyron Matthew. 749 00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,040 Speaker 1: You know, here's a guy that maybe he doesn't have 750 00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:48,800 Speaker 1: the six foot you know, height or maybe he doesn't 751 00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:52,640 Speaker 1: have but that's where they can evaluate a player from 752 00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:54,480 Speaker 1: a different hang or a different lens. 753 00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:56,680 Speaker 5: And they've always done a good job. 754 00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:00,160 Speaker 1: LSU always had a great football camp, youth camps, and 755 00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:01,080 Speaker 1: they started justin. 756 00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:02,399 Speaker 5: Jefferson was a two star. 757 00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,799 Speaker 1: I mean, these are players that look, I mean they 758 00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,560 Speaker 1: weren't that nineteen team. You know, Christian Berry was a 759 00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:12,600 Speaker 1: three star, Clyde Elaire was a three star. Burrow I 760 00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:17,280 Speaker 1: don't know, maybe three four ish, you know, I mentioned Jefferson. 761 00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:20,000 Speaker 1: Pat Queen was a three. It wasn't like we had 762 00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:22,360 Speaker 1: all just these five stars. So I give the coaches 763 00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,520 Speaker 1: so much credit by looking past the five star, right 764 00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:29,200 Speaker 1: or the superstar or the biggest and the fastest. So 765 00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,360 Speaker 1: I think that when you show this data, when you 766 00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,000 Speaker 1: show that, I think we can get past some of 767 00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:39,000 Speaker 1: the things that maybe some of these biases that you 768 00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,759 Speaker 1: may have. And look, it's a different world now too 769 00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:45,120 Speaker 1: with the NIL so that now we are front office 770 00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:49,320 Speaker 1: now you know, you can see what's happening with profit 771 00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:51,640 Speaker 1: sharing is going to go and effect in twenty five. 772 00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:54,200 Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean you have to start looking at 773 00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:57,200 Speaker 1: caps and so it is. It is becoming an NFL model. 774 00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:00,400 Speaker 1: So a lot of the data that we have would 775 00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:02,400 Speaker 1: fit perfectly in an NFL club. 776 00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:04,240 Speaker 5: I mean it fits like a glove. 777 00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:08,399 Speaker 1: But we needed it to look at transport, portal, what 778 00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:10,400 Speaker 1: do these demographics these players have? 779 00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:14,360 Speaker 5: And I think that we've done well in the portal. 780 00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:16,279 Speaker 1: You know, we also look at where these kids were 781 00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:18,440 Speaker 1: from or born, you. 782 00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:20,680 Speaker 5: Know where they because it has a passion to come 783 00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:21,160 Speaker 5: back here. 784 00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:27,160 Speaker 1: And that's why when you look at teams of chemistry, again, 785 00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:32,480 Speaker 1: the large population maybe about sixty to sixty sixty four 786 00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:35,120 Speaker 1: percent are coming out of the state, and you. 787 00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:36,840 Speaker 5: Look at some big programs and put a lot of 788 00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:37,680 Speaker 5: NFL players. 789 00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:40,799 Speaker 1: Why haven't they won many national championships Because I think 790 00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:43,120 Speaker 1: they've had to get them from all over all over 791 00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:47,080 Speaker 1: the country. You better find the right chemistry. You know, 792 00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:51,759 Speaker 1: you always hear and you got to remember when you're scouting, Well, 793 00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,000 Speaker 1: tell me, you know that you want to know these 794 00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:58,440 Speaker 1: different things, how tough they are, or how you know 795 00:40:58,560 --> 00:40:59,839 Speaker 1: toughness is always right. 796 00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:02,560 Speaker 3: By the way, is there any worse question from a 797 00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:04,320 Speaker 3: scout than the one to ten question? 798 00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,799 Speaker 2: Yeah? Scale one to ten? Really are we really? 799 00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:09,680 Speaker 3: I just remember being in the room when guys asked 800 00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:10,839 Speaker 3: us questions like. 801 00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:12,680 Speaker 5: That. 802 00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:16,040 Speaker 1: That's right, I said, toughness. I said, I think these 803 00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:18,920 Speaker 1: guys are pretty tough. They're practicing basically on the equator 804 00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,560 Speaker 1: over here. And I said, half you guys only stayed 805 00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:23,760 Speaker 1: for three periods and you're gone because it's too hot. 806 00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:27,480 Speaker 5: I said, I think they're pretty tough. I think so. 807 00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:31,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you enjoy some of these questions and 808 00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:34,680 Speaker 1: and and you know you have fun with it. 809 00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:37,520 Speaker 2: Well, I know, go ahead, buck, go ahead. 810 00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:39,240 Speaker 4: No, I want to ask because I think it's interesting 811 00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:43,520 Speaker 4: because he's mentioned, uh, geography, and where guys are coming from. 812 00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,720 Speaker 4: UH selfis DJ and I can tell you when you're 813 00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:51,280 Speaker 4: working in UH pro front offices, there is a bias 814 00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:53,680 Speaker 4: or there's a feel that some of the best. 815 00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:55,160 Speaker 2: Players come from the Southeast. Right. 816 00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:58,600 Speaker 4: Everyone looks to the SEC because of the success that 817 00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:01,400 Speaker 4: those teams have had as teams, but also the players 818 00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:03,799 Speaker 4: that have come out of here. In your studies, have 819 00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:07,080 Speaker 4: you been able to find that certain states, certain regions 820 00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:10,160 Speaker 4: kind of produce guys that are more likely to be 821 00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:13,360 Speaker 4: what either high end college players or NFL players. 822 00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:16,759 Speaker 1: Yeah, if you look at centers, centers are more Midwest 823 00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:20,720 Speaker 1: the most there was almost seventy percent from the Midwest. 824 00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:22,439 Speaker 1: I'm talking about where they're born, not where they play. 825 00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:25,080 Speaker 3: I'm guessing what the wrestling background and darn near all 826 00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:26,600 Speaker 3: of them right right. 827 00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,160 Speaker 1: You know, if you look at We even looked at 828 00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:33,880 Speaker 1: Notre Dame when coach Kelly came in, and their highest 829 00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:38,960 Speaker 1: production was southwestern Pennsylvania because our area we grew up 830 00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:43,439 Speaker 1: athlete and Notre Dame was a big deal, so there's 831 00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:47,640 Speaker 1: that passion piece and a lot of linemen came out 832 00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:51,399 Speaker 1: of that area. We looked at counties too that didn't 833 00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,800 Speaker 1: have as many resources that you normally have more rural. 834 00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:58,640 Speaker 1: You can see a belt you know from from the 835 00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:03,239 Speaker 1: US where maybe more of these dbs came out of. 836 00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:06,560 Speaker 1: You can see along the coastal. So because we put 837 00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:08,480 Speaker 1: it up on a visually on a map. So now, 838 00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:11,879 Speaker 1: as a matter of fact, right before I got on, 839 00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:17,600 Speaker 1: we're doing a whole comprehensive study to even go more 840 00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:21,520 Speaker 1: in depth by looking at from college to NFL to 841 00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:26,719 Speaker 1: put it on this map. But we can see positionally. 842 00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:29,560 Speaker 1: So if you think about quarterbacks, think about California. How 843 00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:30,879 Speaker 1: many quarterbacks have out come. 844 00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:32,279 Speaker 5: Out of California? 845 00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:34,879 Speaker 1: How many good ones have come out of southern California 846 00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:37,200 Speaker 1: if you if you pull it up, it's going to 847 00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:38,920 Speaker 1: be northern. 848 00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:44,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's Braidy Aaron Aaron, Rodgers, Rogers, Golf, They're all 849 00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:45,320 Speaker 3: northern California. 850 00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:50,040 Speaker 1: Josh Allen Brady. It's amazing to look at some of 851 00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:52,920 Speaker 1: these things. And I'm talking about the High High I'm 852 00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:56,320 Speaker 1: not saying there's good quarterbacks there, but I'm talking about 853 00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:59,799 Speaker 1: the elite guys. You know, southwestern Pennsylvania put out how 854 00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:01,920 Speaker 1: many guys if you go through the past the years, 855 00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:08,920 Speaker 1: So yes, I think you can start looking at these areas. 856 00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:12,239 Speaker 1: You know, the Navy Seal did a we did some 857 00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:14,400 Speaker 1: stuff with them and we had a green bray that 858 00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:17,520 Speaker 1: worked on Stephan The simple question was who comes out 859 00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:21,399 Speaker 1: at the wash, not who you're recruiting. Who comes out 860 00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:24,879 Speaker 1: at the wash? What what is their democrat? He says, 861 00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:27,640 Speaker 1: You know, we get a lot of rural type kids. 862 00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:33,239 Speaker 1: That's who's probably seventy. And it makes sense because when 863 00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:37,120 Speaker 1: you're from some of these small towns you see in Louisiana, well, 864 00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:40,520 Speaker 1: everybody knows you. You can't hide. The teacher knows you, 865 00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:44,279 Speaker 1: the policeman knows the teachers, everybody. You're gonna maybe have 866 00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:47,759 Speaker 1: to work a job, you know. So even from Louisiana, 867 00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:51,520 Speaker 1: they are a code three point eight, which is northern Louisiana. 868 00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:59,280 Speaker 1: That that's where like Kyle Williams, Whitworth, Brady, James HAIs Marshall. 869 00:44:59,280 --> 00:44:59,960 Speaker 5: I mean we've had a ton. 870 00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:06,920 Speaker 1: Yes, they always have higher they have a high character rating, 871 00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:13,440 Speaker 1: and they typically have a higher production. And so even 872 00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:17,319 Speaker 1: looking at the state that that so there's it. There 873 00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:21,760 Speaker 1: are these pockets of people that you can see, you know, Masslin, 874 00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:25,640 Speaker 1: Ohio or Youngstown. Go look at the even the coaching 875 00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:28,959 Speaker 1: trees and but there's something there. There's something built within 876 00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:31,080 Speaker 1: some of these areas. Maybe it's the work ethic, there's 877 00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:35,759 Speaker 1: there's different there's different areas and if you look in 878 00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:39,040 Speaker 1: the Fresno area in California, there's a large population. So 879 00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:43,200 Speaker 1: there are things that we can dissect and look at 880 00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:45,160 Speaker 1: where we can give us a little bit better predicting. 881 00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:48,239 Speaker 3: It's so fascinating. I mean, I could be I could 882 00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:50,279 Speaker 3: be really selfish and keep you longer than we already have. 883 00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:54,040 Speaker 3: We can go on here, man, I want to get 884 00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:56,920 Speaker 3: you with one final on my final one from me 885 00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:01,360 Speaker 3: here receivers, I'd be remissing I didn't ask you. Obviously. 886 00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:04,239 Speaker 3: LSU has been a factory. Yeah, and it's not just 887 00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:07,439 Speaker 3: in terms of you know, identifying the guys, but there's 888 00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:11,280 Speaker 3: something in developing them there at LSU. And there's also, 889 00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:13,960 Speaker 3: you know, something in terms of the makeup of these guys. 890 00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:15,720 Speaker 2: What is it about. 891 00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:19,759 Speaker 3: LSU and that position that's been so wildly successful, you know? 892 00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:25,200 Speaker 1: And I tell people Louisiana kids, they are built a 893 00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:25,760 Speaker 1: little different. 894 00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:26,279 Speaker 5: They are. 895 00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:28,520 Speaker 1: I mean you can look at the again, look at 896 00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:33,680 Speaker 1: the demographic and how they've been sustainable, and I think 897 00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:38,279 Speaker 1: the competitiveness, I think when you see them in these camps. 898 00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:40,879 Speaker 5: You know all those guys also all had I will 899 00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:42,760 Speaker 5: tell you this because it's confirmed. 900 00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:46,120 Speaker 1: They all have a very high football high c If 901 00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:48,840 Speaker 1: you talk to Maligan neighbors, or you talk to Jamar Chase, 902 00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:52,040 Speaker 1: or you talk to Odell Beckham or Jarvis Landry or 903 00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:56,200 Speaker 1: Dwyane bow whoever it may be, they can tell you 904 00:46:56,239 --> 00:47:00,720 Speaker 1: so much about the game and how how it's supposed 905 00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:03,640 Speaker 1: to be played, and they know all the positions. They 906 00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:07,719 Speaker 1: know you know the X why. I mean, they understand it. 907 00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:11,319 Speaker 1: The other thing is, I think what comes with that. 908 00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:14,480 Speaker 1: They are very good in the route running. I think 909 00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:17,960 Speaker 1: when you have a high football IQ with a route runner, 910 00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:20,080 Speaker 1: it creates accuracy. 911 00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:21,200 Speaker 5: It's really reversed. 912 00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:24,480 Speaker 1: Engineer would say, all that quarterback's accurate, But guess what 913 00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:29,400 Speaker 1: if that receiver as the IQ to understand how the 914 00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:33,520 Speaker 1: route is supposed to be performed, that creates accuracy for 915 00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:34,160 Speaker 1: the quarterback. 916 00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:36,960 Speaker 5: So it's really reversed in some sense. 917 00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:41,799 Speaker 1: So those guys always like Jarvis and Odell would stay 918 00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:45,839 Speaker 1: in this indoor and throw balls all day. They just love, 919 00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:48,800 Speaker 1: you know how we talk about love the game. That 920 00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:50,279 Speaker 1: was another question you always get. 921 00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:51,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, you always say, well, I. 922 00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:53,520 Speaker 1: Don't know if he really loves it. He might like 923 00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:56,800 Speaker 1: it a lot, you know, or you know, but these guys. 924 00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:58,160 Speaker 3: He likes what the game gives him. He doesn't like 925 00:47:58,200 --> 00:47:58,480 Speaker 3: the game. 926 00:47:58,640 --> 00:47:59,120 Speaker 2: That's right. 927 00:47:59,320 --> 00:47:59,759 Speaker 5: That's right. 928 00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:04,480 Speaker 1: There you go, and you could see the passion Justin 929 00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:08,920 Speaker 1: Jefferson would stay in there and just love playing again. 930 00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:13,080 Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson's football que was so high. And you know, 931 00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:14,560 Speaker 1: I look at a lot of these guys and how 932 00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:17,440 Speaker 1: they run the route. So we set up, we look 933 00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:20,040 Speaker 1: at route running. What's the efficiency in the route, and 934 00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:24,399 Speaker 1: you accelerate and decelerate. That's what made Jarvis Landry good. 935 00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:27,000 Speaker 1: He ran a four to seven at the combine. And 936 00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:29,240 Speaker 1: I think you had some other guys maybe like Ross, 937 00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:33,960 Speaker 1: ran these four two's, But Jarvis rant Landry could get 938 00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:36,560 Speaker 1: in and out of breaks. He knows how to how 939 00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:39,520 Speaker 1: to play the game. Again, he knows how to look 940 00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:42,439 Speaker 1: at the route. If it's a choice, he can sit 941 00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:45,760 Speaker 1: into the coverage. So I think the athletic a billy 942 00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:49,600 Speaker 1: definitely gets you there and we know that. But the competitiveness, 943 00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:52,920 Speaker 1: I think the character of the player a lot of times. Again, 944 00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:56,400 Speaker 1: but I think the for receivers, one thing we've learned 945 00:48:56,400 --> 00:49:00,520 Speaker 1: with our data that position in cornerback you have to 946 00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:03,400 Speaker 1: be a high have a high football IQ. It is 947 00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:07,000 Speaker 1: amazing because we never thought. Now we know the middle, 948 00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:10,839 Speaker 1: but the people are really and here's the other thing. 949 00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:13,680 Speaker 1: With receivers, we have to understand what is their best 950 00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:16,680 Speaker 1: position in routes. That's where we have a wearable. We 951 00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:20,880 Speaker 1: look at from pupil stimulation, how the route. If you 952 00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:23,840 Speaker 1: watched Jamar Chase on some routes, he high pointed a 953 00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:27,120 Speaker 1: lot quicker. That's because he did. Some of these guys 954 00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:29,520 Speaker 1: have a bias. Some guys don't. 955 00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:29,840 Speaker 2: You know. 956 00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:33,640 Speaker 1: We had a player that that didn't quite make it, 957 00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:37,120 Speaker 1: had some injuries with Statius Moss. He had metal deviation. 958 00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:40,520 Speaker 1: He had fifty five catches no drops. I think he 959 00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:45,800 Speaker 1: was the only player that had over forty catches that 960 00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:47,399 Speaker 1: didn't have any drops that I saw. 961 00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:49,239 Speaker 5: And I just talked to him a couple of days ago, 962 00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:53,040 Speaker 5: and so again he. 963 00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:56,200 Speaker 1: Could run multi route, it didn't matter. So we're always 964 00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:58,560 Speaker 1: looking at where. 965 00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:01,200 Speaker 5: They put these receivers in the in the right spot too. 966 00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:04,120 Speaker 5: So I think all that is a little bit behind 967 00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:07,239 Speaker 5: the curtain there. That's why I make guys better. 968 00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:09,759 Speaker 4: You know, so I know DJ is gonna let you go, 969 00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:11,400 Speaker 4: but I just want to comment on the thing I 970 00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:13,560 Speaker 4: think for so long what you have just done is 971 00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:16,400 Speaker 4: you've debunked a lot of the stereotypes that would exist 972 00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:20,000 Speaker 4: in scouting rooms. So a lot of times the perception 973 00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:22,480 Speaker 4: was the farther they get away from the ball, the 974 00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:24,840 Speaker 4: less that you needed to worry about their IQ, and 975 00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:26,960 Speaker 4: it was more about their athleticism when you. 976 00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:28,719 Speaker 2: Talk about wide receivers and dbs. 977 00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:32,319 Speaker 4: But that's contrary to what you're saying, and to me 978 00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:35,000 Speaker 4: it makes a lot of sense just based on some 979 00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:38,239 Speaker 4: of the guys that I played with, Charles Woodson and 980 00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:40,879 Speaker 4: Eric Allen and some of the smarter guys, they were 981 00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:44,080 Speaker 4: always the ones that made all of the plays, more 982 00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:46,680 Speaker 4: so than the guys that may be more athletic, and 983 00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:50,040 Speaker 4: you guys know Dann Lsu, Patrick Peterson, high IQ guy. 984 00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:53,200 Speaker 4: Then you talk about the passion part of it. We 985 00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:57,720 Speaker 4: always in front offices talk about a we want smart, fast, 986 00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:00,759 Speaker 4: tough in those things. But I think we're getting is 987 00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:04,520 Speaker 4: the passion, which equates to love of the game, high IQ, 988 00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:07,720 Speaker 4: which means they really understand football really really well. 989 00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:10,120 Speaker 2: And then the part that you talk about high character. 990 00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:14,560 Speaker 4: Guys that not only moral character, but the work, ethic, 991 00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:17,759 Speaker 4: the drive, how they go about their business. All of 992 00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:20,120 Speaker 4: those things factor into the ones that make it versus 993 00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:20,960 Speaker 4: the ones that don't. 994 00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:23,719 Speaker 1: Well, that's funny, said Patrick Peterson. He was here a 995 00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:26,080 Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago. Because he's helped me on. I'm 996 00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:27,799 Speaker 1: gonna get him to help us on the back end. 997 00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:32,480 Speaker 1: Patrick Peterson, I told him this, said, you're one of 998 00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:37,839 Speaker 1: the unique human beings, because humans are terrible with fame, money, success, 999 00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:38,600 Speaker 1: the ego. 1000 00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:39,920 Speaker 5: Just you know, it's the. 1001 00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:42,240 Speaker 1: Guys that won't text your back you knew who they were, 1002 00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:44,080 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, they don't text anymore. 1003 00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:48,280 Speaker 5: Pat Peterson, I said, not only did you stay humble, 1004 00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:51,800 Speaker 5: but you've become more humble, and it really meant something. 1005 00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:53,279 Speaker 5: That's the kind of guy. 1006 00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:56,160 Speaker 1: And if you guys look at the rosters or the 1007 00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:58,960 Speaker 1: guys you played with, think about guys that played five, six, seven, 1008 00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:01,200 Speaker 1: eight years, I guarantee you they were the better people. 1009 00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:04,520 Speaker 1: I guarantee they're the ones who studied the game. They're 1010 00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:07,080 Speaker 1: the ones who did those things. That's what starts separating 1011 00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:09,960 Speaker 1: and that describes Patrick Peterson to the team. 1012 00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:11,120 Speaker 2: That's beautiful. 1013 00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:13,600 Speaker 3: I mean, I don't remember the book off top of 1014 00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:15,160 Speaker 3: my head, but we've talked about it many times on 1015 00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:17,160 Speaker 3: here about hungry, humble, and smart, like if you want 1016 00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:19,279 Speaker 3: to build a good organization, you find people that have 1017 00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:22,520 Speaker 3: those three characteristics. And that's the way that you've lined 1018 00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:22,879 Speaker 3: this out. 1019 00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:24,960 Speaker 2: Jack. This has been awesome, man. 1020 00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:28,080 Speaker 3: I can't tell you how much we've enjoyed this, because 1021 00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:31,960 Speaker 3: again we've been talking about there's better ways to do this. 1022 00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:34,200 Speaker 3: We've done that. You know, we've done that job. We 1023 00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:37,359 Speaker 3: talk about players constantly. We're talking about team building and 1024 00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:41,120 Speaker 3: providing the right culture and the right atmosphere, and there's 1025 00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:43,600 Speaker 3: so many different things that are out there for us 1026 00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:46,680 Speaker 3: to discover to make this a more efficient, more accurate 1027 00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:49,160 Speaker 3: process and to really help these kids more than anything else, 1028 00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:52,360 Speaker 3: develop and be their best self. And you're right on 1029 00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:55,040 Speaker 3: the cutting edge, man, And I always enjoy getting a 1030 00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:56,719 Speaker 3: chance to visit with you. I can't thank you enough. 1031 00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:59,560 Speaker 1: I appreciate both you guys insight, great questions. I think 1032 00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:02,759 Speaker 1: you guys see it, I can tell. And it's nice 1033 00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:03,759 Speaker 1: to be around. 1034 00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:04,320 Speaker 5: Like minded people. 1035 00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:08,480 Speaker 1: It really just makes you grow and you know, it's 1036 00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:10,920 Speaker 1: really a neat, neat experience. 1037 00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:13,560 Speaker 3: Well, we appreciate you so much, man, We appreciate it. 1038 00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:14,120 Speaker 3: Thanks again. 1039 00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:15,200 Speaker 5: We got it. 1040 00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:16,799 Speaker 2: Buck. 1041 00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:18,880 Speaker 3: I know, I guess I use this word. It's probably 1042 00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:21,680 Speaker 3: a crutch word for me, but fascinating. I probably use 1043 00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:23,919 Speaker 3: that word a lot, maybe too much, But I don't 1044 00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:25,920 Speaker 3: know how else to describe what we just had in 1045 00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:26,719 Speaker 3: that conversation. 1046 00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:31,759 Speaker 4: I mean, that was that was unbelievable, unbelievable, fantastic conversation. 1047 00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:35,720 Speaker 2: And you know, like we touched on so many different things. 1048 00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:39,640 Speaker 4: But to me, it is kind of the crystallization of 1049 00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:42,239 Speaker 4: what we've talked about in the team building process. Like 1050 00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:44,920 Speaker 4: every team kind of has their traits and values that 1051 00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:45,440 Speaker 4: they look. 1052 00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:46,280 Speaker 2: For in players. 1053 00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:50,799 Speaker 4: But my takeaway after talking to Jack was passion, high 1054 00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:54,240 Speaker 4: IQ high character that kind of gets it done. Guys 1055 00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:56,319 Speaker 4: that love the game, Guys that are really smart when 1056 00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:59,520 Speaker 4: it comes to football, that really dive into the details 1057 00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:02,080 Speaker 4: of football, and guys they have the right character. You 1058 00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:05,560 Speaker 4: talk about being a good teammate, the camaraderie, to connectivity, 1059 00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:08,560 Speaker 4: to chemistry, how they operate within the building. To me, 1060 00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:11,680 Speaker 4: it appears that those are the traits and the things 1061 00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:14,640 Speaker 4: that scouts should be on the road looking for, because 1062 00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:16,719 Speaker 4: it appears that those guys are the ones that play 1063 00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:18,879 Speaker 4: well and really help your teams play at a higher level. 1064 00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:21,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, I was just thinking of some numbers that we 1065 00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:24,120 Speaker 3: learned from this conversation. I think about the number two 1066 00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:27,160 Speaker 3: hundred and fifty. Jade and Daniels get an extra two 1067 00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:32,120 Speaker 3: hundred and fifty reps per week with this unbelievable combination 1068 00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:35,840 Speaker 3: of AI and virtual reality kind of coming together to 1069 00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:38,640 Speaker 3: be able to get those full speed and not just 1070 00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:40,840 Speaker 3: full speed. He said they had it cranked up seventy 1071 00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:45,800 Speaker 3: percent above normal speed for him getting those reps. So literally, 1072 00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:48,040 Speaker 3: as you mentioned, the analogy of a doughnut on a 1073 00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:50,520 Speaker 3: baseball bat, like you get you get up to the plate, 1074 00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:52,719 Speaker 3: you get up to the line of scrimmage, and the 1075 00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:55,279 Speaker 3: game slows down based off the way you've seen it 1076 00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:57,200 Speaker 3: for the entire week. So that two hundred and fifty 1077 00:54:57,280 --> 00:54:58,719 Speaker 3: numer stood out to me. Here's the other number that 1078 00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:01,719 Speaker 3: stood out to me. Thirty percent if you caught this 1079 00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:03,440 Speaker 3: when he when he kind of just snuck this one 1080 00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:05,800 Speaker 3: in there. But less than thirty percent of NFL players 1081 00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:08,799 Speaker 3: get a second contract. So think about if you were 1082 00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:12,520 Speaker 3: able to use to improve the way you identify the 1083 00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:15,080 Speaker 3: person as well as the player. So some of those 1084 00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:17,800 Speaker 3: things that we've been talking about here, being competitive, smart, 1085 00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:21,279 Speaker 3: somebody who's you know, has got character all those things 1086 00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:23,000 Speaker 3: like if you can figure out the person a little bit, 1087 00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:25,160 Speaker 3: maybe that helped you a little bit. If you can 1088 00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:29,480 Speaker 3: take this technology and data information and maybe that gets 1089 00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:31,080 Speaker 3: you a little bit better. What if you're a team 1090 00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:33,560 Speaker 3: that maybe the average is thirty percent, what if you 1091 00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:37,680 Speaker 3: got forty percent of your players to a second contract, 1092 00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:40,680 Speaker 3: Like that's ten percent. That's a difference between keeping a 1093 00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:43,080 Speaker 3: job and losing a job. That's a difference between making 1094 00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:45,120 Speaker 3: the playoffs not making the playoffs, And it could be 1095 00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:47,960 Speaker 3: the difference between you know, eventually winning a championship. 1096 00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:51,359 Speaker 4: I mean, it would just change everything because so much 1097 00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:54,239 Speaker 4: of what we talk about is for us is kind 1098 00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:57,239 Speaker 4: of mitigating the risks. And so if you could find 1099 00:55:57,280 --> 00:56:00,200 Speaker 4: some core characteristics, some data, some some touch points, they 1100 00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:04,160 Speaker 4: would allow you to kind of reduce some of the liabilities. 1101 00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:07,120 Speaker 4: You want to do that, and when we think about 1102 00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:09,200 Speaker 4: the best teams, the best teams are able to kind 1103 00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:11,960 Speaker 4: of keep a core together four to five years. Well, 1104 00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:13,600 Speaker 4: if you can extend it, they gets you into a 1105 00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:16,440 Speaker 4: second contract for some of your core players. That's what 1106 00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:19,759 Speaker 4: everyone wants because we have seen the teams that have 1107 00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:22,960 Speaker 4: that continuity and they have that chemistry. They're the ones 1108 00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:25,279 Speaker 4: that are always in the conversation. Now the piece has 1109 00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:27,759 Speaker 4: changed around them, but your core players, if you can 1110 00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:31,799 Speaker 4: find the key ingredients that will allow your core to 1111 00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:35,440 Speaker 4: stay together, it gives you a competitive advantage on your opponents. 1112 00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:37,920 Speaker 3: I feel like there's a lot of new school in 1113 00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:42,120 Speaker 3: this conversation, but I also think some old school beliefs 1114 00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:45,279 Speaker 3: that I've had I felt were reinforced by some of 1115 00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:46,960 Speaker 3: the things that he said. I don't know, you know, 1116 00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:50,720 Speaker 3: I'd love to get your takeaway on it, but you know, Scouts, 1117 00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:52,280 Speaker 3: when you go to we used to go to practice, 1118 00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:54,000 Speaker 3: and some some places you go if you don't know 1119 00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:55,520 Speaker 3: when you when you're a Scout, you going to visit 1120 00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:58,120 Speaker 3: a school. There's some programs that they might have more 1121 00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:01,000 Speaker 3: of a closed practice, meaning you can stay out there 1122 00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:04,040 Speaker 3: for stretch in the individual drills and that's you know, 1123 00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:06,080 Speaker 3: fifteen to twenty minutes, and then they tell you you 1124 00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:08,239 Speaker 3: can't stick around. They don't want you watching seven on 1125 00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:11,239 Speaker 3: seventeam that some of these coaches are paranoid, but other 1126 00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:14,239 Speaker 3: programs are wide open. Alabama traditionally was very wide open 1127 00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:15,880 Speaker 3: USC when they were in their heyday. 1128 00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:17,440 Speaker 2: Yeah at home. 1129 00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:20,240 Speaker 3: I believe in their hey they were wide open, very 1130 00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:22,440 Speaker 3: scout friendly. You can stay you want to watch all practice, 1131 00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:26,120 Speaker 3: you can watch all practice. And when Jack talked about 1132 00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:29,320 Speaker 3: maybe do your homework and find out the participation in 1133 00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:33,560 Speaker 3: practice as a key indicator number one. Obviously durability can 1134 00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:35,840 Speaker 3: be healthy enough to get out there in practice, but 1135 00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:38,160 Speaker 3: that's also a passion and a want to. And I 1136 00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:40,200 Speaker 3: think you can get more out of a practice than 1137 00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:44,080 Speaker 3: a traditional scouting you know, bare minimum of just body 1138 00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:46,600 Speaker 3: typing the guy yeah and then being done with it. 1139 00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:48,360 Speaker 3: I think you can keep your notebook open. I can 1140 00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:51,600 Speaker 3: see who's passionate, who's got energy on a Wednesday practice 1141 00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:55,200 Speaker 3: when everybody's dragging, who's first in line in drills, who's 1142 00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:58,160 Speaker 3: running around slapping guys on the backside and keeping you know, 1143 00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:01,200 Speaker 3: keeping the juices going. Like those those are the traits 1144 00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:04,120 Speaker 3: and the passion component that he was discussing that not 1145 00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:06,080 Speaker 3: only is you know, that's good to see, that's no, no, 1146 00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:08,880 Speaker 3: that's a key indicator for how well this guy is 1147 00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:10,400 Speaker 3: going to transition to the next level. 1148 00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:13,960 Speaker 2: So let's let's take it there. Using LSU as an example. 1149 00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:16,000 Speaker 4: Imagine if we could go and watch those practices and 1150 00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:18,760 Speaker 4: we had an opportunity see Jamar Chase and Justin Jefferson 1151 00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:21,360 Speaker 4: and some of those young that that that that crew 1152 00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:22,680 Speaker 4: of receivers that went through there. 1153 00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:25,240 Speaker 2: How competitive were their individual drills? 1154 00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:28,080 Speaker 4: How do they look back to back, who was the 1155 00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:30,640 Speaker 4: leader of the group, who's the alpha of the group, 1156 00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:32,920 Speaker 4: Who is the guy that may be too cool for school? 1157 00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:35,480 Speaker 4: Within their group? How do they treat each other? All 1158 00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:38,439 Speaker 4: of those things when it comes to body language and uh, 1159 00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:42,320 Speaker 4: their their interactions with their teammates, we can look at that. 1160 00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:46,480 Speaker 4: But also, now it's competitive. Let's see what it looks like. Okay, 1161 00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:50,120 Speaker 4: Derek Stingley, who likely got drafted up high because of 1162 00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:51,800 Speaker 4: some of the one on one tapes that people were 1163 00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:54,640 Speaker 4: able to look at from his previous years, Well, how 1164 00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:57,080 Speaker 4: competitive is it when it's ones versus ones? Do those 1165 00:58:57,080 --> 00:59:00,360 Speaker 4: guys go at it? What does that look like? What 1166 00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:03,080 Speaker 4: is Joe Burrow like when he's facing off against a 1167 00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:05,760 Speaker 4: very competitive defense and they're barking at one another. Because 1168 00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:08,160 Speaker 4: he talked about that, I want to see all of that. 1169 00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:10,240 Speaker 4: That is the part of practice when we talk about 1170 00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:14,160 Speaker 4: passion and want to and desire. You love those things 1171 00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:17,000 Speaker 4: because the best teams and right now, George's in the 1172 00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:19,640 Speaker 4: midst of it. Right they talk about how competitive their 1173 00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:23,400 Speaker 4: practices are and all of that. The practices are harder 1174 00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:25,920 Speaker 4: than games. That's what I want a front row seat too. 1175 00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:27,960 Speaker 4: I want to see that part of it more so 1176 00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:29,600 Speaker 4: than the game, because that will tell me a lot 1177 00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:32,600 Speaker 4: about what I'm bringing into the building. When he gets 1178 00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:35,480 Speaker 4: to this team, he's going to bring this energy because 1179 00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:38,160 Speaker 4: that's all he knows. 1180 00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:40,480 Speaker 3: The last thing I was thinking of too is by 1181 00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:43,400 Speaker 3: the way, side note, I wore number seventeen because of 1182 00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:45,680 Speaker 3: Charlie Ward. He was my favorite player growing up. I 1183 00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:49,280 Speaker 3: love he was so good. He was so good player, 1184 00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:51,800 Speaker 3: and it was like to me, as someone who didn't 1185 00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:55,280 Speaker 3: have a huge arm, that basically that's over didn't have 1186 00:59:55,320 --> 01:00:00,520 Speaker 3: any arm. Charlie Ward wasn't an overwhelming physical guy. He 1187 01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:04,120 Speaker 3: was just a very efficient Everything was poise, accuracy. I 1188 01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:06,520 Speaker 3: just thought he looked so smooth. Everything he did was 1189 01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:09,120 Speaker 3: so smooth. But when he was talking about that team, 1190 01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:12,400 Speaker 3: and obviously you played against those guys, but Eric Brooks 1191 01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:13,320 Speaker 3: work done. 1192 01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:14,400 Speaker 2: Charlie Ward. 1193 01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:17,680 Speaker 3: We had the lineup in our room in Baltimore, which 1194 01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:20,400 Speaker 3: I believe was the Tony LaRussa line. Right, when your 1195 01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:23,600 Speaker 3: best players are your best workers and your best leaders, 1196 01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:26,680 Speaker 3: then you've really got something. And man, that's kind of 1197 01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:29,280 Speaker 3: a team that maybe people forget about the Florida State team. 1198 01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:32,280 Speaker 3: You're gonna have a hard time finding three better dudes, Like, 1199 01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:34,720 Speaker 3: look at what these guys have done with their lives, 1200 01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:37,000 Speaker 3: not only just as players, but as human beings, Like 1201 01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:40,360 Speaker 3: those are three phenomenal people there in those three guys. 1202 01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:44,120 Speaker 4: So the fact that he was there at Florida State 1203 01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:46,919 Speaker 4: and DJ, I just wish I could tell you how 1204 01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:51,320 Speaker 4: simplistic the scheme design of Florida State was, but how 1205 01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:56,360 Speaker 4: unstoppable they were. My roommate, my roommate, Clive Basketballs is 1206 01:00:56,360 --> 01:00:58,440 Speaker 4: a dB, and I just remember he would come into 1207 01:00:58,480 --> 01:00:59,560 Speaker 4: the room. I was like, hey, man, let me see 1208 01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:01,480 Speaker 4: you scatter. I heard so much about Florida State. Let 1209 01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:04,920 Speaker 4: me see what these plays look like. And DJA, it 1210 01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:07,720 Speaker 4: literally is almost like a one seater. It's like four 1211 01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:12,280 Speaker 4: passing plays, a couple of running plays. I'm all flat, Yeah, 1212 01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:16,960 Speaker 4: it was a swing, a swing rock Preston or work done. 1213 01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:19,640 Speaker 2: Alison. One runs a little China route in a corner 1214 01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:20,200 Speaker 2: and I'm. 1215 01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:24,320 Speaker 4: Like, you're hanging fifty points on people running like he's 1216 01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:26,160 Speaker 4: but he. 1217 01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:27,160 Speaker 2: Was around at a great time. 1218 01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:29,200 Speaker 4: You talk about the great coaches and Bobby Bauden, the 1219 01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:31,480 Speaker 4: great coaches that he's been around during the time at LSUE. 1220 01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:33,520 Speaker 2: I just love hearing those stories. 1221 01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:35,640 Speaker 4: And I love the way that he was able to 1222 01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:38,160 Speaker 4: learn from them and how he's been able to apply 1223 01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:41,360 Speaker 4: to what he's doing now to everyone identify great players. 1224 01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:44,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, no doubt. Again, this I know is a little 1225 01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:46,080 Speaker 3: bit longer episode today. We don't normally go this long 1226 01:01:46,120 --> 01:01:47,760 Speaker 3: on the off season, but this was a fun one. 1227 01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:50,840 Speaker 3: Just really really enjoyed it, and we teased it there 1228 01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:53,800 Speaker 3: in our conversation with Jack. We're gonna have Andrew Whitworth 1229 01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:56,680 Speaker 3: on tomorrow, so we'll have another episode coming up this 1230 01:01:56,720 --> 01:01:58,480 Speaker 3: week where you guys can check that one out. We'll 1231 01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:00,280 Speaker 3: talk with him a lot about not only his career, 1232 01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:02,640 Speaker 3: but just being a great teammate, what that looks like, 1233 01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:05,840 Speaker 3: what do we mean when we're trying to identify that 1234 01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:08,240 Speaker 3: character trait and uh and how does it benefit in 1235 01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:12,160 Speaker 3: the championship culture. So look forward to that conversation. Appreciate 1236 01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:14,200 Speaker 3: you guys hanging with us. If you haven't. We do 1237 01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:17,240 Speaker 3: love those, you know, those ratings and rating and reviews 1238 01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:19,439 Speaker 3: on Apple podcasts that is a huge help or wherever 1239 01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:21,919 Speaker 3: you get your podcasts. Uh, those do help us out. 1240 01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:24,440 Speaker 3: We've been doing this a long time. We've got a 1241 01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:27,000 Speaker 3: lot of loyal, loyal listeners, so we don't ask often, 1242 01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:29,120 Speaker 3: but we do appreciate those. We'll see you next time 1243 01:02:29,160 --> 01:02:30,320 Speaker 3: right here on moving sticks.