Speaker 1: Guys, listen to this. Charlie twenty years old from North
Speaker 1: Carolina listened to this. This is a poetic Charlie twenty
Speaker 1: years old from North Carolina is known as the Hawaiian
Speaker 1: shirt guy, but feels like he is more than that.
Speaker 1: Is that not the greatest premise of a phone call
Speaker 1: on this show that you have ever heard. I don't
Speaker 1: know how the phone call is gonna go, but the premise.
Speaker 2: GEX Hello, hey, GEX, how you doing.
Speaker 1: I'm doing okay, I'm hanging out, I'm being a get go,
Speaker 1: I'm talking to people on the phone. What's going on
Speaker 1: with you?
Speaker 2: You know, it's the summertime, and in the summertime, I
Speaker 2: like to wear Hawaiian shirts. Well, actually I like to
Speaker 2: wear Hawaian shirts anytime I can't back at school. I
Speaker 2: wear Hawaiian shirts almost every day, just because I like
Speaker 2: how to look. I have three main reasons for liking them.
Speaker 2: I like the patterns, and I like the like fabric.
Speaker 2: But I also like not wearing a shirt. And I
Speaker 2: feel like whenever you're wearing a Hawaian shirt, you can
Speaker 2: just unbutton it so that you don't have to wear
Speaker 2: it all the way.
Speaker 1: This is absolutely fascinating Charlie. It says here that you
Speaker 1: are known around town as the Hawaiian shirt guy, but
Speaker 1: but you feel like you are more than that.
Speaker 2: I believe that I cannot be because you're just thinking.
Speaker 2: If someone walks around every day and wears a T shirt,
Speaker 2: like just different T shirts, no one's gonna spot not
Speaker 2: but because it's a Hawaiian shirt, it's like, oh, this guy,
Speaker 2: this guy is just that dude, he's the Hawaiian shirt guy.
Speaker 2: I'm just a guy wearing clothes because it feels.
Speaker 3: Good, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You say you feel like you are more than just
Speaker 1: the Hawaiian shirt guy. When you are describing what more
Speaker 1: you are? What more are you? Hmmm?
Speaker 4: That's a.
Speaker 5: That's a good question.
Speaker 2: That's a good one. I think I think I'm somewhat
Speaker 2: of a of a comedian. I've grown up listening to comedy,
Speaker 2: studying comedy. I studied standing up. Oh yeah, and I
Speaker 2: feel like that I have the ability to make people
Speaker 2: laugh when ever oka. But I also think that I'm
Speaker 2: like a guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, go ahead, you finished first, then I'll give
Speaker 1: you my thoughts.
Speaker 2: I think I'm a I think that I'm just h
Speaker 2: and all around good dude that just likes to just
Speaker 2: likes to be silly. I'm not silly. I like to
Speaker 2: be funny. I like making people happy.
Speaker 1: Can I bring up an idea to you and I
Speaker 1: want to get your thoughts on it.
Speaker 2: I'd love to hear it.
Speaker 1: Okay, you're upset that people know you as the Hawaiian
Speaker 1: Shirt guy because you believe that there's more to you
Speaker 1: than that. You believe that you want you want people
Speaker 1: to see you as funny. You want people to see
Speaker 1: you as silly, as entertaining. And what if I told
Speaker 1: you that. I think that within the perception of you
Speaker 1: as the Hawaiian Shirt Guy lies all of those things.
Speaker 1: Being funny, being silly, being entertaining is part of the
Speaker 1: identity of you as the Hawaiian Shirt Guy. So in reality, well,
Speaker 1: here's the people perceiving you as the Hawaiian Shirt Guy.
Speaker 1: Is them perceiving you as all those things?
Speaker 2: I agree? But I feel like sometimes people only see
Speaker 2: me that when I'm in the Hawaiian shirt Like, for instance,
Speaker 2: I went to class one day, I go and I
Speaker 2: go to a less class, more of an office hours
Speaker 2: with all my friends, and I wasn't wearing a Hawaiian shirt.
Speaker 2: I was just wearing like a polo because I thought
Speaker 2: I'll dress up differently and everyone was and everyone was like,
Speaker 2: are you all right? Doesn't seem like you're doing okage?
Speaker 2: And I was like why and they said, well, you're
Speaker 2: not wearing a Hawaiian shirt. And that's what kind of
Speaker 2: set me off. That's what I thought to myself. Hold up, now,
Speaker 2: am I just that guide to them?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 2: Am I the guy that always wears a warn shirts?
Speaker 2: Is that with TV as.
Speaker 1: What's your name?
Speaker 6: Charlie?
Speaker 1: Charlie? I think that you need to be less worried
Speaker 1: about people's perceptions of you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's true. I feel like I feel like
Speaker 2: the people should just wear them more often, you know.
Speaker 2: I feel like that if you came in on a
Speaker 2: stream with like your get go, get get up and
Speaker 2: then a Hawaiian shirt over it, people would feel more comforted.
Speaker 5: I don't know, just throwing that out there just might.
Speaker 1: Also. Look, here's another thing. If you're going around telling
Speaker 1: every single person you meet that they need to start
Speaker 1: wearing a Hawaiian today, Oh no, Hawaiian guy. True, You're
Speaker 1: you're digging your own grave.
Speaker 2: Here, So then I should I shouldn't pitch it, but
Speaker 2: I shouldn't not wear it. You know, I can still
Speaker 2: wear it.
Speaker 3: I can be.
Speaker 2: Comfortable with it. I just don't have to like spread
Speaker 2: I don't have to spread the word of Hawaiian shirtness
Speaker 2: to people. I'm not trying to get everyone to be
Speaker 2: like me. That's got to be myself.
Speaker 1: I knew when I picked up this phone call that
Speaker 1: we were gonna hash out some very complex character development,
Speaker 1: and I'm so glad that I was right.
Speaker 3: Dude, this is this is so cool.
Speaker 2: I'm really vibing with this right now because you know what,
Speaker 2: I've been like thinking to myself, because I've been listening
Speaker 2: to so many of your videos, and I'm like, I
Speaker 2: feel like the deck can help me out.
Speaker 1: With DECI, Charlie, you love wearing Hawaiian shirts.
Speaker 2: I love wearing Hawaiian shirts. And honestly, if you give
Speaker 2: me like a lay that they wear in Hawaii, I
Speaker 2: love wearing those two.
Speaker 1: You'd wear Hawaiian pants, Oh, you said, Lae, Charlie, you
Speaker 1: know what? I why the way? I have another I
Speaker 1: have another solution for you. I have another solution for you. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: move to Hawaii because there everyone's the Hawaiian shirt guy.
Speaker 1: I actually don't know if that's true. I don't know
Speaker 1: if people in Hawaii wear Hawaiian shirts. But if everyone's
Speaker 1: the Hawaiian shirt.
Speaker 5: Guy, you know what that means.
Speaker 1: You know what that means, Charlie, No one. That means
Speaker 1: no one's the Hawaiian shirt guy. But I don't think
Speaker 1: you should be taking that drastic measures, Charlie. I think
Speaker 1: you should just do what you do when you live
Speaker 1: your life and not care about how you're being perceived
Speaker 1: as much. That's my fine answer to you on this subject.
Speaker 2: I think that that's I think that's the best answer
Speaker 2: that I've heard, given you're the only really talk to
Speaker 2: you about it.
Speaker 1: Are you afraid to talk to other people about this?
Speaker 5: Well?
Speaker 2: I mean like it's not a real subject. You can't
Speaker 2: go up to someone and be like, man, I don't
Speaker 2: like how people come with a Warine shirt guy, because
Speaker 2: then they're like, what are you talking about?
Speaker 1: What do you mean? This is not a real subject.
Speaker 1: This is as real of a subject as it gets.
Speaker 1: This is a very like I know you're fucking around,
Speaker 1: but this is a manifestation of you caring about other
Speaker 1: people's opinions of you. Which is a thing that everybody
Speaker 1: deals with. This is it's an extremely common human struggle.
Speaker 1: So I'm not I wouldn't say that this is not
Speaker 1: a real issue. You know, this is this is real.
Speaker 2: I guess, like when someone says something to me, like like,
Speaker 2: why you're wearing a Hawaiian shirt today? Are you feeling?
Speaker 2: I kind of just play along. I'm like, oh ha ha, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know I should have worn one.
Speaker 3: I'm like, but should I have?
Speaker 2: Like, you don't have to like tell me what to wear, Charlie.
Speaker 1: Do you feel like you learned something from this call? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Man, I learned about self love or something to that extent.
Speaker 1: That's good enough anything else. When I say to the
Speaker 1: people of the computer before we.
Speaker 2: Go, uh, enjoy your enjoy yourself this summer. Wear whatever
Speaker 2: you want, do whatever you want.
Speaker 3: It's nice.
Speaker 1: Now, thank you for calling Charlie.
Speaker 2: All right, love you, bud.
Speaker 1: I See, I knew that was going to be a
Speaker 1: great call because there was I like anything, any call
Speaker 1: that has some character development in it, or has, you know,
Speaker 1: deep conflicting feelings about one's identity, I think that that's
Speaker 1: a compelling drama. And I feel like there was a
Speaker 1: lot of compelling drama to Charlie's character as he's figuring
Speaker 1: out even to himself. I know we talked a lot
Speaker 1: about like, oh, you shouldn't care what other people think
Speaker 1: about you, But he was also struggling proving to himself,
Speaker 1: which is the most important thing, that he is more
Speaker 1: than the Hawaiian shirt guy. But I think he's going
Speaker 1: to figure it out. Next phone call, Hello high as
Speaker 1: this cat.
Speaker 4: Yes it is hello, mister and wild get go going
Speaker 4: on with you? Kat having some relationship struggles, kind.
Speaker 1: Of what kind of relationship struggles.
Speaker 4: So back in February, I met this girl. She was
Speaker 4: really nice. We hit it off. We were dating for
Speaker 4: three months, and then we broke up, which such, but
Speaker 4: it was mutual and stept forward to now I have
Speaker 4: met another girl who like vaguely reminds me of the
Speaker 4: first girl, and I'm trying to like to figure out
Speaker 4: in my head it was like a rebound relationship or not.
Speaker 4: It's been a lot to think about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'm going to say what the call screeners said,
Speaker 1: and I want to kind of make a little bit
Speaker 1: of sense of it. It says you broke all right,
Speaker 1: I mean it's just really you know this is what
Speaker 1: you just said just now. But you were dating a girl,
Speaker 1: you're seeing a new girl. You said this new girl
Speaker 1: reminds you of your old girlfriend, and it says you
Speaker 1: are quote worried that this new one is a rebound.
Speaker 1: What does that mean. I'm more than worried that she's
Speaker 1: a rebound.
Speaker 4: I'm more just like a rebound relationship, and like, I
Speaker 4: don't I'm only interested in her because because of how
Speaker 4: much I missed the first girl.
Speaker 1: Sure, interesting you are, You're okay, you're having conflicting feelings
Speaker 1: about this and you're feeling like, oh, am I just
Speaker 1: using this person as a way of getting over my girlfriend,
Speaker 1: or because she reminds me of my girlfriend, and you're
Speaker 1: worried about if the foundation of this relationship is coming
Speaker 1: from a legitimate place. Yeah, exactly how long were you
Speaker 1: dating your old girlfriend for?
Speaker 7: Uh?
Speaker 1: Three months?
Speaker 4: Almost four?
Speaker 1: Okay? Three months? And ends? Was that your first time
Speaker 1: in a relationship?
Speaker 7: Uh?
Speaker 4: First time? I'm like a I'm like a serious relationship,
Speaker 4: Like it was like both of ours, like like there
Speaker 4: was three months, but it like felt like longer.
Speaker 1: You know, Hm, what is it that you like about
Speaker 1: this new parson?
Speaker 4: We both have autism? And so they kind of like
Speaker 4: understand they us, like I called my girlfriend of the day,
Speaker 4: who's the apprentance, But like they're really understanding for when
Speaker 4: I have like like mental health stuff. They're really smart
Speaker 4: and just like it's really like they're like emotionally mature.
Speaker 1: Sure, and.
Speaker 4: We just like really clicked.
Speaker 5: I guess, mm hmm.
Speaker 1: Okay, So this person you said that they're a non
Speaker 1: binary person. Right, I'll go word. So, I mean, here's
Speaker 1: the thing. You you're expressing to me that you're worried
Speaker 1: that you only like this person because they remind you
Speaker 1: of your past girlfriend. But when I asked you, just now,
Speaker 1: what about this this new person you're dating is attractive
Speaker 1: to you? You listed a bunch of reasons that have
Speaker 1: nothing to do with your old girlfriend. You said that
Speaker 1: they're also autistic, and you guys kind of bond over that.
Speaker 1: They said that. You said, you guys just click. Uh,
Speaker 1: just in general, you have good chemistry. You listed a
Speaker 1: bunch of reasons that have nothing to do with your
Speaker 1: old girlfriend. I think that's a good sign because if
Speaker 1: you weren't able to answer that question, you were able
Speaker 1: to and you or if you answered it with something
Speaker 1: like you know, I just don't want to be alone, right,
Speaker 1: just want someone who reminds me of the past. You know.
Speaker 1: Then I would be like, yeah, maybe you're onto something there,
Speaker 1: But that's not how you answer the question. You answered
Speaker 1: the question very legitimately.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, like, but.
Speaker 4: The thing is it was also autistic. We also wanted
Speaker 4: over that, okay, and like I thought that we also clicked,
Speaker 4: but I mean we broke up, which I don't know,
Speaker 4: it's weird.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I don't think that your past relationships need
Speaker 1: to define your your current ones. Can I also introduce
Speaker 1: another idea to you because it sounds like it was
Speaker 1: not that much time in between the old girlfriend and
Speaker 1: the new partner you have just spent You're only nineteen
Speaker 1: years old. Have you spent an extended period of time
Speaker 1: just alone?
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, definitely?
Speaker 1: Okay there, Well why is there trauma there and just
Speaker 1: being you know, not having a partner?
Speaker 8: Uh.
Speaker 4: I tried to like like like I tried to start
Speaker 4: eating when I was like fifteen, I think, and their
Speaker 4: currents were against that. And back story short, I got
Speaker 4: sent to this like troubled team industry place, which was
Speaker 4: really terrible, and.
Speaker 1: Yeah that was great, okay, but but I'm asking, like
Speaker 1: you know, you said you. I mean, you're only nineteen, Like, well,
Speaker 1: I guess what I'm asking is like, in your in
Speaker 1: your short span of adult life, have you spent time
Speaker 1: just being alone and not in a relationship with a person.
Speaker 1: And I asked that. I asked this to every person
Speaker 1: who calls here talking about relationship issues, because I do
Speaker 1: think it's very important.
Speaker 4: I mean, okay, guess not.
Speaker 1: Okay. And I'm not saying that to say, hey, go
Speaker 1: break up with your partner right now and and fucking
Speaker 1: go do that. But I'm just saying, like, you know,
Speaker 1: if you rushed out of this old relationship and you're
Speaker 1: rushing into this new one, you maybe I don't know
Speaker 1: if you've and I don't and I genuinely don't know
Speaker 1: the answer. I'm not trying to pride to you either way,
Speaker 1: but maybe you didn't give yourself enough breathing room here, yeah,
Speaker 1: to just be like, Okay, who is cat? Who am
Speaker 1: I in this world? But what do you? What do
Speaker 1: you tell me about what you do outside of your
Speaker 1: romantic relationships? Are you in school? Are you working? What
Speaker 1: do you do?
Speaker 4: I'm looking on my ged I was trying to find
Speaker 4: a from home job because you know, autism, and I'm
Speaker 4: trying to get back into art. I play video games
Speaker 4: hat with my cat. I go on my major walks
Speaker 4: pretty often.
Speaker 1: Okay, you said, you said because of your autism, you're
Speaker 1: trying to find a work from home job. Are you
Speaker 1: Are you adverse to going outside and being around people
Speaker 1: and whatnot? Oh?
Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely sure.
Speaker 1: Does any part of you have a desire to overcome
Speaker 1: that or are you feeling very comfortable with uh uh,
Speaker 1: you're the way you live your life.
Speaker 4: Now, I guess somewhat just like like I feel like
Speaker 4: now it's like not the time because like I'm also
Speaker 4: trying trying to move out and stuff. Yehich like like
Speaker 4: obviously that requires a study income, so IM trying to
Speaker 4: do that before I like trying to like push my
Speaker 4: boundaries more.
Speaker 1: Yes, you have a lot going on. You have like
Speaker 1: five thousand different things that you're trying to figure out
Speaker 1: seriously this moment. So don't stretch. That's why I'm saying.
Speaker 1: That's why I said to you about the whole like
Speaker 1: how long have you spent some time just being single,
Speaker 1: being by yourself? Because you are dealing with all this shit.
Speaker 1: You're trying to find a job, you're trying to you know,
Speaker 1: move out, You're trying to do all this shit, and
Speaker 1: then you also have this relationship on top of it.
Speaker 1: So just like you know, it sounds like this, this
Speaker 1: person that you met is a good and I'm not
Speaker 1: just talking about romantically. I'm talking just as a person
Speaker 1: in your life. It sounds like it's a good person
Speaker 1: I have in your life because there's a person you
Speaker 1: can relate to, a person you click with, but don't
Speaker 1: at this very moment in your life put all your
Speaker 1: eggs in their basket because you have a lot going
Speaker 1: on with yourself. Yeah, and it sounds like you need
Speaker 1: to give proper attention to as well. Yeah, is that
Speaker 1: resonated all? I'm not trying to tell you all of
Speaker 1: your life?
Speaker 4: Who does?
Speaker 5: It? Does?
Speaker 4: Takes a lot of sense.
Speaker 1: Actually, what's your name?
Speaker 5: Cat?
Speaker 1: Cat? Is there anything else you want to say to
Speaker 1: other people of the computer before we go? Uh?
Speaker 4: Don't let other people tell you how to live your
Speaker 4: life unless it's good.
Speaker 1: Advice, unless if they're a Hollywood movie star. Like if
Speaker 1: Brad Pitt tells you to start wearing blue socks or something,
Speaker 1: you should do it because he might give you money. Absolutely, absolutely,
Speaker 1: don't let anyone tell you what to do unless if
Speaker 1: they're going to give you a lot of money to
Speaker 1: do it. That's what I say. Thank you for calling Kat,
Speaker 1: of course, have a good day, Jared.
Speaker 7: Hello, what's up?
Speaker 1: Jared?
Speaker 7: What's going on?
Speaker 1: How can I get you today?
Speaker 7: Well? I don't know. You've probably read the promise, but
Speaker 7: I wanted to talk to you about my I think
Speaker 7: it's rational, but rational fear of ceiling fans, more specifically
Speaker 7: ceiling fans that are going at a high speed.
Speaker 1: Am I in your car right now? Am I in
Speaker 1: your car? Speaker?
Speaker 7: Yeah? You're in my car? I No, you're you're actually
Speaker 7: I am driving?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Can you pull over?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Are you driving towards?
Speaker 7: I'm going home from work right now?
Speaker 1: Okay? Are you on a highway or are we on
Speaker 1: like just a street thing?
Speaker 7: Yeah, we're on a highway, but I can there's a
Speaker 7: negative right here?
Speaker 1: All right? What's so? What's on the exit? Is there
Speaker 1: any like you know how right before the exit there's
Speaker 1: like signs that are like here, there's a McDonald's here
Speaker 1: and Jolly Rogers here. Yeah, yeah, Roy Rogers. The word?
Speaker 1: What's what's that? The exit.
Speaker 7: I'm not quite area. I think I know this road,
Speaker 7: though there's a gas fish like right on the side
Speaker 7: of the road.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, So in the meantime while we're waiting,
Speaker 1: you have what you consider to be rational, but what
Speaker 1: others are telling you is irrational of a fear of
Speaker 1: ceiling fans going in a high speed. Tell me, uh,
Speaker 1: your rationale for this fear.
Speaker 7: So when I was younger, I shared a room with
Speaker 7: my brother, and I was on the top bunk, and
Speaker 7: so a part of my bed was like right underneath
Speaker 7: the ceiling fan. And so sometimes when I would wake
Speaker 7: up and get down to go to the bathroom or something,
Speaker 7: I would hit my head on the ceiling fan while
Speaker 7: I was going and it hurt really bad. And so
Speaker 7: I think that's probably the reason why they make me uneasy,
Speaker 7: just because of the the starring from when I was younger.
Speaker 7: But I also don't just don't trust the blades. I've
Speaker 7: seen too many of the blades fall off and just
Speaker 7: fly who knows where. Yeah, I think that's where where
Speaker 7: the the fear comes from.
Speaker 1: It's funny. I think I've been in various rooms where
Speaker 1: there were bunk beds where I've also noticed that the
Speaker 1: top bunk is dangerously close to the ceiling fan.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean ceiling fan is right above where I was.
Speaker 1: And how old were you when when this was your arrangement?
Speaker 7: So I shared a room with my brother since I
Speaker 7: was four when I started sharing the with them, and
Speaker 7: this is something that moved out of that room.
Speaker 1: Go ahead and please go ahead. Sorry, I know you.
Speaker 7: Oh h. He moved out of that room when he
Speaker 7: was like eighteen, so I think I was like twelve.
Speaker 7: So that's when I started to use the bottom bunk.
Speaker 1: This is something you got to confront your parents about,
Speaker 1: you know, because why on earth? I don't know. I
Speaker 1: never thought about this until you're making me think about
Speaker 1: it just now. But when I was a kid, I
Speaker 1: was like, man, these fucking top bunks because I've been
Speaker 1: in rooms like this before, like whatever, you know, staying
Speaker 1: at cousins' houses or some shit, where there's a top
Speaker 1: bunk is dangerously close to the ceiling fan. And now
Speaker 1: that I'm thinking about it retrospectively, what fucking moron put
Speaker 1: the bed there?
Speaker 7: Yeah, there were multiple places and where they could have
Speaker 7: put the bed, but they chose to put it were
Speaker 7: my head. It was almost directly underneath the ceiling fans.
Speaker 1: Why you need to confront with I'm like angry for
Speaker 1: you because now I'm thinking about times when I've also
Speaker 1: been on the top bunk and hit my head on
Speaker 1: the fucking ceiling fan. Why the fuck did anyone put
Speaker 1: it there? You should confront your parents about this.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think, yeah, I think I should. I tell
Speaker 7: them sometimes when I'm over at their house now I'm
Speaker 7: moved out now, but when I when I'm at their
Speaker 7: house and they have the ceiling fan and the living
Speaker 7: room on all the way up, I would just turn
Speaker 7: it down a couple of notches and I tell them
Speaker 7: I'm like, it's because you you scarred me from when
Speaker 7: I was younger, and they're just like, oh, you're fine,
Speaker 7: and they just turn it back up. But they don't get it.
Speaker 1: This is something that you need to confront your parents about.
Speaker 1: You need to ask them why they would make the
Speaker 1: decision to put the bunk bed so close to the
Speaker 1: ceiling fan, especially when there were obviously several other options
Speaker 1: of places to put it. You need to ask them
Speaker 1: why they made that decision, and you need to confront
Speaker 1: them about it.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think I think so too. Yeah, for sure
Speaker 7: because it I'm going to talk to them about that
Speaker 7: this weekend. Yeah. No, it doesn't make any sense. It's
Speaker 7: like they wanted me. Maybe they were trying to make
Speaker 7: me tougher or something in some statistic way.
Speaker 1: Really, you think they might have done it intentionally as
Speaker 1: a way to make you tougher.
Speaker 7: I mean, I don't know. I'm just I'm just kind
Speaker 7: of spitball and I'm just trying to rationalize. I guess
Speaker 7: because I feel like my parents wouldn't. We're smarter than that,
Speaker 7: but maybe they're not.
Speaker 1: Do you think it worked.
Speaker 7: I'd consider myself tough, I guess, but I'm also pretty
Speaker 7: emotionally absent. I've always struggled having emotions.
Speaker 1: And you think that that might have something to do
Speaker 1: with the ceiling fan near the top bunk.
Speaker 7: I think there's probably more to do with it than that,
Speaker 7: but I think that that probably didn't help.
Speaker 8: No.
Speaker 1: A thousand of different places you could put the bunk bed.
Speaker 1: I don't know why they would put it under the
Speaker 1: ceiling fan. And I'm so glad that you called in
Speaker 1: and that we could talk about this, because I haven't
Speaker 1: thought about this in a while. I've been in several
Speaker 1: rooms where it's weird. This is a recurring phenomenon, and
Speaker 1: I'm sure that there's other people in the chat and
Speaker 1: people listening to this that have experienced this as well,
Speaker 1: and we can all kind of collectively gather in frustration.
Speaker 1: Why did this thing that didn't need to happen happen?
Speaker 7: Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1: Well, I hope you overcome this. I'm rooting for you,
Speaker 1: and I hope that your confrontation with your parents is
Speaker 1: helpful to you in overcoming this.
Speaker 7: Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1: Anything else I want to say to the people of
Speaker 1: the computer before we go, Jared, No, not.
Speaker 7: Really, just I love what you do. I listen to
Speaker 7: everything that you've put out so far, and I love it.
Speaker 7: I listen to it at work all the time, and
Speaker 7: I just appreciate what you do.
Speaker 1: And thank you, Jed.
Speaker 7: People out helps me out a lot.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Jared, I appreciate that man. Thank you for calling.
Speaker 7: Yep, thank you.
Speaker 1: God. What a strange memory that Jared's brought back from
Speaker 1: me and for possibly a lot of people listening, I understand.
Speaker 1: And in certain floor plans where the ceiling fan is
Speaker 1: so centered and the bunk bed is big, where like
Speaker 1: maybe an edge of it is there, but it feels
Speaker 1: like an avoidable problem. So there is weight to the
Speaker 1: idea that it was done intentionally, and I hope if
Speaker 1: it was, it was done for good reasons that I
Speaker 1: can't think of right now as to what those reasons
Speaker 1: could be. But maybe Jared will call back and we'll
Speaker 1: get an answer. Hello, Hello, high sus Jake.
Speaker 5: Ah, Yes, this is Jake.
Speaker 1: Well what now?
Speaker 6: Uh?
Speaker 5: I'm assuming this is gek.
Speaker 1: This is you know what? This is somebody that you
Speaker 1: are on the phone with and you are on the
Speaker 1: phone and I am on the phone. What do we do? Now?
Speaker 1: Where do we go from here? Jake? Tell me?
Speaker 5: If I'm not mistaken, I believe we talk. Okay, what
Speaker 5: I wanted to talk about spitting in food at a
Speaker 5: fast food restaurant?
Speaker 1: Okay, you wanted to talk about spitting and food at
Speaker 1: fast food restaurants? And uh, please elaborate. I would love
Speaker 1: to hear more about this. Uh.
Speaker 5: Well, I work at Chick fil A in Wyoming, so
Speaker 5: there's there's nothing here, and you know, we we occasionally
Speaker 5: get quote unquote Karen spitting their food. Yeah, but we
Speaker 5: have to say a prayer first, Uh, considering it's Chick
Speaker 5: fil A.
Speaker 1: Okay, So you're telling me that you work at a
Speaker 1: Chick fil a and Wyoming you occasionally get quote unquote
Speaker 1: Karen's and when you do, you spin in there. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: tell me about something a person did to make you
Speaker 1: want to spit in their food.
Speaker 5: Well, I've worked, I've worked in the kitchen and the
Speaker 5: in the front, and I got I got slapped by
Speaker 5: a customer once and uh, she threw her drink at
Speaker 5: me and we still we still served her. And uh
Speaker 5: that that that would be the first time I spit
Speaker 5: in some of these foods.
Speaker 1: She slapped you. Why did she slap you? How did
Speaker 1: the situation escalate to that point?
Speaker 5: Uh? You know, I took I took her order and
Speaker 5: we we ran out of waffle fries very very early
Speaker 5: in the in the morning.
Speaker 1: You ran out of waffle fries, and so she slapped you.
Speaker 5: Yeah? Really, yeah, Yeah, that that was it. It was.
Speaker 5: It was a nice slap though. If I if I
Speaker 5: had to rate it, I'd probably put it up there seven.
Speaker 1: Telling me and you know, listen, here's the thing is,
Speaker 1: I I don't I don't have your job, so maybe
Speaker 1: I'm not as keyed into you know how intense people
Speaker 1: can get over nothing. Maybe I don't have as much
Speaker 1: of a barometer on that as you do, But you're
Speaker 1: telling me there really is nothing else that happened in
Speaker 1: this situation. You said, you are telling me that it
Speaker 1: went like this. You said, she said I would like
Speaker 1: fucking chicken sandwiches and waffle fries. You said, sorry, man,
Speaker 1: we're out of waffle fries, and then she slaps you
Speaker 1: across the face. You're telling me that's how it happens.
Speaker 5: Uh, Well, you know, she she said that how could
Speaker 5: we be out of waffle fries? That I made a
Speaker 5: careless mistake, and I told her that, you know, I
Speaker 5: had nothing to do with the waffle fry situation and
Speaker 5: received a slap.
Speaker 1: You received us, and you served her anyway.
Speaker 5: We yeah, my my manager had us serve her. So
Speaker 5: that that's what started this apocalyptic.
Speaker 1: Because you know, look right when she slaps you, I
Speaker 1: think that's that's what it's time to possibly get the
Speaker 1: authorities involved and and get her on down to uh,
Speaker 1: you know, booked for assaults.
Speaker 5: Well, it's Wyoming, so I'm sure I'm sure came out.
Speaker 1: Well what does that mean? It's wyoming?
Speaker 5: So, well, it's it's you know, there's there's nothing that
Speaker 5: goes on here. It's it's a bunch of small towns
Speaker 5: and you know, a crazy occasional hillbillies come in. You know,
Speaker 5: they might pee on the floor, and uh they might not.
Speaker 1: Do they not have societal infrastructure in Wyoming? I wouldn't
Speaker 1: be surprised if the answer is.
Speaker 5: Yes, I wanna. I want to say yes, but I
Speaker 5: feel like there there might be some parts in Wyoming
Speaker 5: that do so.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, what's your name, Jake? Jake? Do you desire
Speaker 1: to get out of Wyoming? Do you see more for yourself?
Speaker 5: I do see. I do seem more more for myself.
Speaker 5: I don't think you think Wyoming is the place for me.
Speaker 5: I see, I see, I see a future in in
Speaker 5: maybe a bigger city, someplace like Chicago, maybe maybe you know,
Speaker 5: somewhere in Arizona like Phoenix. Uh she kind of kind
Speaker 5: of living living a somewhat better life.
Speaker 1: What does a better life look like to you?
Speaker 5: You know, not getting not getting slapped over waffle fries?
Speaker 5: I think I think that's stuck with me pretty pretty
Speaker 5: pretty hard.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know I see that for you too, Jake.
Speaker 1: I think that there are better there's a better future
Speaker 1: ahead for you that doesn't involve getting slapped over waffle fries.
Speaker 1: I'm still shocked that this woman. How old was she?
Speaker 1: Do you think?
Speaker 5: Uh? Late late forties, early fifties, late probably fifties.
Speaker 1: Let's you know what's crazy to me about people like
Speaker 1: that is this woman's in her fifties. This woman's in
Speaker 1: her fifties and she's still acting. I mean, if the
Speaker 1: story is as you told it, and she slapped you
Speaker 1: all out of waffle fries, that means that it's been
Speaker 1: fifty years and this woman acting like this. Fifty years
Speaker 1: is a long time. And whenever I see like an
Speaker 1: old angry person, I always think, like, man, what kind
Speaker 1: of fucking carnage must have gone on in this woman's life? Like,
Speaker 1: what's the worst thing this woman's ever done? It must
Speaker 1: have been insane if she's out here slapping people for
Speaker 1: waffle from its like what she's doing to her family?
Speaker 1: What's her situation like with you know, all the people
Speaker 1: that she comes to contact with over her fifty years
Speaker 1: on earth.
Speaker 5: You know, I never never really thought of that aspect.
Speaker 5: I'm she could have she could have been happened, you know,
Speaker 5: an off day, something horrible could have happened too. That
Speaker 5: doesn't That doesn't excuse the slap. It was a very
Speaker 5: hard slap. My eyes watered up a little.
Speaker 1: Now, of course, it doesn't excuse the slap. I'm just
Speaker 1: thinking about it, not even I'm not even thinking about
Speaker 1: it in terms of creating a sympathetic tone. I'm just
Speaker 1: thinking about it in terms of, like, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: aghast at the fact that she's been alive for fifty years,
Speaker 1: like probably slapping people over miscellaneous bullshit all the time.
Speaker 1: Like that's a crazy, that's a crazy. How do you
Speaker 1: live to fifty like that? That's wild? I don't understand.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, she she was the stereotypical you know, Karen.
Speaker 5: She she had the the bob cut, and she she
Speaker 5: just seemed angry. I feel like, I feel like even
Speaker 5: even at the start, she wanted to start start a problem,
Speaker 5: CAUs an issue. It was in coming of her voice.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you this, what is it? Okay, before
Speaker 1: we go, what is it? And you said you want
Speaker 1: to move to a big city. What do you want
Speaker 1: to do in this big city.
Speaker 5: I want to I want to become something. I want
Speaker 5: to be more than what I am now.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmmm hmm. I'm gonna tell I'm gonna give you
Speaker 1: an unpopular maybe this is unpopular who I don't know,
Speaker 1: But I don't think you should have spat in that
Speaker 1: lady's food. I think that, you know. Look, I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna say whether or not she she deserved it, but
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say that whether or not she deserved it
Speaker 1: is irrelevant. You know, because you, Jake, you have aspirations
Speaker 1: to get out of stupid Wyoming and to, as you say,
Speaker 1: make something of yourself. And I don't want you wasting
Speaker 1: a single second of your beautiful, precious mind power devising
Speaker 1: plans and performing actions that whose sole purpose are to
Speaker 1: enact revenge and spite upon people, because you, I think
Speaker 1: you're better than that. And it's again, it's not a
Speaker 1: question of whether or not this lady deserved it or
Speaker 1: anything like that. It's a question of what are you
Speaker 1: reserving your brain power and energy for. And I hope
Speaker 1: that you're reserving it for thinking of ways to get
Speaker 1: the fuck out of Wyoming and, as you say, make
Speaker 1: something better for yourself. And I hope that because you
Speaker 1: you gave a vague answer when you say make something
Speaker 1: better of yourself, it's a little vague. Take a second.
Speaker 1: Take a second to think about what that actually means,
Speaker 1: you know what, because if you don't aim at anything,
Speaker 1: if you don't, I don't believe in manifesting in this
Speaker 1: way of if you wish it, you will get it.
Speaker 1: But I believe it in a sense of you have
Speaker 1: to think of something, even if it's a vague idea
Speaker 1: of something, and then you'll you'll be on a path
Speaker 1: toward that. Does that make sense?
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it really, it really does make sense. I
Speaker 5: have to thank you for your for your advice.
Speaker 1: Of course, thank you for Hey, you know what, you
Speaker 1: know what, Jake, my pleasure.
Speaker 5: Ah, I don't like you anymore, Lole.
Speaker 1: It was a Chick fil A reference, It was.
Speaker 5: It was a Chick fil A reference.
Speaker 1: Talk to you soon, Jake.
Speaker 5: Yep, have a good one.
Speaker 6: Mode.
Speaker 1: Hello.
Speaker 6: Hello, Hi?
Speaker 1: Is this Amanda? Yes?
Speaker 8: Is this a get?
Speaker 1: Yes? This is the get? What's going on with you? Amanda?
Speaker 6: Oh my god?
Speaker 4: And I expect to get on.
Speaker 6: I have I'm calling because I have COVID.
Speaker 1: You're calling because you have COVID?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 1: Interesting, Okay, what's that like?
Speaker 6: What's my second time having it? I'm actually vaccinated? This time.
Speaker 6: So it's a lot less bad, but I'm very confused.
Speaker 1: Okay, what have you been doing since you've been How
Speaker 1: long have you had COVID for.
Speaker 6: I had tested positive yesterday and I have not stopped
Speaker 6: playing Animal Crossing since.
Speaker 1: Okay, so you've been playing a lot of Animal Crossing. Well,
Speaker 1: it says here that you're trying to forgure out what
Speaker 1: to do with your time because you were quote partying
Speaker 1: every day and now you can't do that. Yes, well,
Speaker 1: this doesn't sound like it's going to be a long
Speaker 1: call because you found a solution. You've started playing Animal Crossing.
Speaker 6: Well, I mean, I can't I get bored if I
Speaker 6: plan crossing for more than like an hour.
Speaker 1: You don't get bored after going to partying for more
Speaker 1: than an hour?
Speaker 6: No, because there's stuff to do, tell people to talk
Speaker 6: to when I go out.
Speaker 1: You can talk to people on the computer. I'm doing
Speaker 1: it right now.
Speaker 6: I mean I am too, I guess or would you
Speaker 6: call the phone call?
Speaker 1: Well, no, I'd call this a party.
Speaker 6: I like this party. I think this is a good party.
Speaker 1: What do you do when you go to parties? Do
Speaker 1: you walk? Or are you like a social person? Do
Speaker 1: you just go up to a circle of people and go, hey, everyone,
Speaker 1: what's going on? Type of thing.
Speaker 6: I think it depends on my mood. But lately I've
Speaker 6: been going out and dancing, like I went out to
Speaker 6: a club. Actually that's the think that's where I got COVID.
Speaker 6: I went out to this club and I started dancing
Speaker 6: with a bunch of strangers. Obviously my friends were there too,
Speaker 6: but it.
Speaker 1: Was just like.
Speaker 6: I wound up getting hit on by a couple of
Speaker 6: swingers while I was there.
Speaker 1: So I guess that the sort of pre written, coded
Speaker 1: world of animal crossing doesn't compare to the real world
Speaker 1: that you've been living in for a while. But here's
Speaker 1: what you do is take this as a as a
Speaker 1: little breath, you know, be bored, really relish in your boredom,
Speaker 1: because then when you get cured of your COVID, if
Speaker 1: you make it and look, I don't know if you will,
Speaker 1: but I hope you will. I'm Brian for you. Prayers.
Speaker 1: No damn good at doing anything, but I'll do it anyway.
Speaker 1: Actually I probably won't.
Speaker 6: I appreciate this.
Speaker 1: I probably won't pray for you. I'll probably gonna forget
Speaker 1: after I get off the phone. Oh but you might
Speaker 1: make it. And if you do be prepared, you know,
Speaker 1: once you go out into the world, everything will be
Speaker 1: even more exciting because you are bored for a little bit.
Speaker 6: I mean, I guess that's a fair point, but it's
Speaker 6: so hard to sit and be bored, Like I can't
Speaker 6: even go get food, which is an easy one for
Speaker 6: me to like preoccupie my time with, you know, play.
Speaker 1: More animal crossing, get deeper into that, and like I said,
Speaker 1: being relish in your own boredom, Amanda, because it's gonna
Speaker 1: make everything a lot better when you're done. It's okay
Speaker 1: to be bored. Think about it like this. For most
Speaker 1: of uh the time that humanity has existed, humans have
Speaker 1: been extremely bored. It was only into it was only
Speaker 1: about ten years ago when we started being on our
Speaker 1: phones all the time that it was unnatural to be
Speaker 1: bored all the time. But before then, people were just
Speaker 1: relentlessly bored for almost all of eternity up until recently.
Speaker 1: So get back in touch with the roots of humanity
Speaker 1: and just sort of sit and stare at a wall.
Speaker 6: I feel like people back when they were bored all
Speaker 6: the time could still like find things to do, like
Speaker 6: that it were physically active but I can't breathe very well,
Speaker 6: so I can't like go out for a run or
Speaker 6: like do those things that be bored and active, you.
Speaker 1: Know what I mean, Like get yourself a yo yo, Amanda.
Speaker 6: I don't know how to yo yo.
Speaker 3: I've never been able to learn how.
Speaker 1: To yoyo Amanda, Amanda. Were Look, I'm sitting here, I'm
Speaker 1: giving you, you know, all these ideas, and I think
Speaker 1: that you need to be open minded toward alternative ways
Speaker 1: of keeping yourself occupied, or don't keep yourself occupied like
Speaker 1: I'm saying, and then don't even get the idea. Just
Speaker 1: fucking stare at a wall and learn how to be
Speaker 1: extremely bored. We always run into problems when we're fighting
Speaker 1: these feelings that you have a feeling of boredom and
Speaker 1: you're fighting it. You're trying to get it to go away.
Speaker 1: But do the opposite, accept it, but embrace boredom into
Speaker 1: your life. Hug it. Stare at the wall and think
Speaker 1: to yourself, what a psychedelic experience I'm having right now,
Speaker 1: being in a fucking meat sack on earth staring at
Speaker 1: this fucking wall. This is amazing. I'm so honored, lucky
Speaker 1: to feel bored in this very moment, right now, I
Speaker 1: completely sober of sound, mind and body. AM in awe
Speaker 1: of the psychedelic experience I am having right now staring
Speaker 1: at this wall. I want that to be you, Amanda.
Speaker 1: So I'm hanging up the phone. I want you to
Speaker 1: go stare at the wall until you feel one with
Speaker 1: the earth.
Speaker 6: Okay, but before I stare at the wall, what color
Speaker 6: yoyo should I get?
Speaker 1: Don't get an yo yo. Stare at the wall. Talk
Speaker 1: to you soon, Amanda. That's what I want for her.
Speaker 1: I want that for her because wouldn't that be a
Speaker 1: great place to be to not need a yo yo,
Speaker 1: to not need animal crossing, to not need some guy
Speaker 1: at a party talking to you, or some lights and
Speaker 1: colors and just you in a wall. You look, if
Speaker 1: you're placed in a situation where it says you and
Speaker 1: a wall, you're gonna fight it. That's gonna be your instinct.
Speaker 1: You're gonna fight it. You're gonna go. I need to
Speaker 1: look at my phone. I need to go on the computer.
Speaker 1: I need to jack off. I need to read a book.
Speaker 1: I need to do something. I need to eat a snack.
Speaker 1: Something that's gonna be it's your programming. But what if
Speaker 1: you were higher than your programming and you really had
Speaker 1: the superhuman ability to stare at a wall and make
Speaker 1: it interesting for yourself. That would be a superpower that
Speaker 1: I want Amanda that I don't have. I'm not going
Speaker 1: to do it, but I want a Manda to do
Speaker 1: it because I think that she can, and I think
Speaker 1: it'll benefit her throughout her life to be able to
Speaker 1: have the most fun anyone has ever had staring at
Speaker 1: a wall. All right, next phone call, Hello, Hello, how
Speaker 1: are you?
Speaker 3: I'm good? This is Lyle.
Speaker 1: Yes, sir, is this Isaiah?
Speaker 3: Yeah? This is crazy? Man?
Speaker 1: What was going on with you? Isaiah?
Speaker 3: I just kind of wanted to talk about this project
Speaker 3: I've been working on.
Speaker 1: Okay, what's the project?
Speaker 3: So a little backstory. I have a Type two bipolar
Speaker 3: disorder OKAP, and when I was a bit of a
Speaker 3: manic state, I started making a movie. I'm I'm a
Speaker 3: film student and I wrote the script like a year ago.
Speaker 3: But when I was in this manic state, I took
Speaker 3: out a loan from a family member for a couple
Speaker 3: thousand dollars and I've been working on this film for
Speaker 3: the past maybe six to eight months. Since that manic state.
Speaker 1: So you're saying, in a manic state you decided to
Speaker 1: create a film.
Speaker 3: Well, I already wanted to, but in a manic well
Speaker 3: technically more of a hypomanic state, which is like a
Speaker 3: less severe manic state. I started like actually working on it,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 1: Okay, So let me ask you something. The work started
Speaker 1: while you were in a manick state. But has the
Speaker 1: work continued by you in all different kinds of states? Yes, okay?
Speaker 1: And how has that work been?
Speaker 3: Stressful? Man? Really up and down? Like it's by far
Speaker 3: the hardiest thing I've ever had to do, and like,
Speaker 3: and it's not going fantastic, but it's going you know.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah. Before I was a gecko, back in
Speaker 1: high school, I would make movies with my friends, just
Speaker 1: by myself, independent production lot like what you're doing. And
Speaker 1: it is to this day. I say this full sincerity.
Speaker 1: The hardest thing I've ever had to do in my
Speaker 1: life is make those fucking movies. It's fucking stressful and possible.
Speaker 1: It's not a reasonable task to go and try to
Speaker 1: make a movie. It sucks.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what is your movie about? Okay?
Speaker 3: My movie is about a thirteen year old boy who
Speaker 3: kind of has a city home life with him and
Speaker 3: his dad. So he decides that he's that He's like,
Speaker 3: fuck it, I'm gonna become a serial killer. And he
Speaker 3: goes out and he finds a victim, which is another
Speaker 3: a thirteen year old girl that lives nearby, and he
Speaker 3: tries to murder her, but in the process he ends
Speaker 3: up getting his ass beat by her.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Is it this is non I an autobiographical story?
Speaker 5: Is it?
Speaker 3: No? No, it is not. It's kind of It's just
Speaker 3: kind of like a it's like an act comedy film.
Speaker 1: That's nice. Always is a shorter feature.
Speaker 3: It's a feature.
Speaker 1: It's a feature. You're breaking on making a feature. How
Speaker 1: long are we talking? This is like an hour and
Speaker 1: a half long movie.
Speaker 3: We're shooting for eighty ninety minutes.
Speaker 1: Eighty ninety minutes. Jesus, Okay, how many more stays of
Speaker 1: shooting do you have left?
Speaker 3: Right now? We have seven scheduled. I'm actually getting ready
Speaker 3: for a shoot because we shoot in a few hours.
Speaker 3: We have seven schedules, but we are behind schedule, so
Speaker 3: we're probably going to have to pick up a few
Speaker 3: more days.
Speaker 1: You know, Isaiah, I'm I'm really proud of you. I know,
Speaker 1: here's the thing I don't and people I feel like
Speaker 1: this the stream and a lot lately people are, you know,
Speaker 1: chalking a lot of things about themselves up to their
Speaker 1: to their mental illnesses and whatnot. But give yourself credit.
Speaker 1: I know you're just talking about like, oh, I started
Speaker 1: this in a mental state, but inn in a manic state.
Speaker 1: But yeah, took a leap of faith. You decided to
Speaker 1: embark on doing a really difficult fucking thing, making a
Speaker 1: feature length movie. It's impossible, You're not supposed to do it.
Speaker 1: You totally shouldn't have started. Get you started, and it's
Speaker 1: gonna You're gonna be glad you did it. You're gonna
Speaker 1: be glad you did it, even though it was fucking painful.
Speaker 1: I know how it is to make these movies. It's
Speaker 1: it's really hard, and I'm proud of you for taking
Speaker 1: the leap to to go and do it, because a
Speaker 1: lot of people they'll just have an idea for something
Speaker 1: and they'll sit on it forever, and it takes a
Speaker 1: lot to decide to actually go and do it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but can I can I kind of kind of
Speaker 3: talk about kind of an issue I'm having with it? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Please?
Speaker 3: So I have this problem where I can't think the
Speaker 3: small picture. I've always I always think big picture, and
Speaker 3: I've been working on this project lately and i can't
Speaker 3: and it's just not coming together like it is in
Speaker 3: my head. And it's very important. You know. I sat
Speaker 3: down and I wrote this script because I had something
Speaker 3: I wanted to say, and I think I communicated with
Speaker 3: the script, but I'm worried that the picture, when it
Speaker 3: comes together, isn't going to say what I'm trying to say,
Speaker 3: if that makes any sense, Like it's not. It's like
Speaker 3: we're running into problems. My cast is getting sick. I'm
Speaker 3: running out of money, I'm already in thousands of dollars
Speaker 3: with a debt, I will behind schedule, and it's just
Speaker 3: becoming more and more problematic as things go on. And
Speaker 3: on top of that, my image isn't coming out like
Speaker 3: I wanted to when I talked to my I talked
Speaker 3: to my actual therapist about this, and he tells me,
Speaker 3: you know, just stick with it. You know, I say
Speaker 3: I'm over budget, behind schedule. He says, that's what making
Speaker 3: a movie is, you know. Yep, But it doesn't mean
Speaker 3: it's any less stressful when it's coming from your pockets.
Speaker 1: Yep. Uh yeah, going into once a debt it's expensive. Uh,
Speaker 1: it's you having to wrangle the schedules of a shit
Speaker 1: ton of people. It's you putting in a shit ton
Speaker 1: of work and effort into something and then looking at
Speaker 1: it on the screen and going, oh, fuck, this isn't
Speaker 1: even what I set out to make. It's yeah, it's
Speaker 1: a lot of this stuff. You're in film school, this
Speaker 1: is your very first film, it's your first endeavor. And
Speaker 1: actually all of this shit is great because you are
Speaker 1: diving headfirst into the reality of making a movie, which
Speaker 1: is all of these horrible things. And I'd say it's
Speaker 1: great because it's it's keying you in to what this
Speaker 1: experience is actually like and giving you a little moment
Speaker 1: to go, do I really want to do this? And
Speaker 1: if you at the end of your journey, once the
Speaker 1: film is completed, once you're in the theater with the
Speaker 1: premiere and you see it on the big screen and
Speaker 1: you are in a retrospective about how you're feeling right now,
Speaker 1: because you're feeling really stressed and shitty right now. But
Speaker 1: eventually a day will come where you've wrapped and you
Speaker 1: are looking back on this retrospectively, you'll know whether or
Speaker 1: not you want to go do it again. And that's great, man,
Speaker 1: you know, because a lot of people they don't even try.
Speaker 1: They didn't even get to have the moment where they go,
Speaker 1: I tried. This wasn't for me. They just go I
Speaker 1: never tried. I just always thought about doing this, but
Speaker 1: I never did it because they were afraid, and you
Speaker 1: weren't afraid. You went and you did it. So I
Speaker 1: think it's this is a valuable experience for you. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you look at it like that. I honestly, like,
Speaker 1: I know what it's like to be in the middle
Speaker 1: of making a fucking movie. And I can totally understand
Speaker 1: if you're not thinking about it like that right now
Speaker 1: because you're you're not in the retrospective of this. You
Speaker 1: are in this. You don't have the perspective of being
Speaker 1: out of it yet because you're still in it, but
Speaker 1: eventually you will. Does that make sense, Yeah?
Speaker 3: It does. But it's like, you know, I keep trying
Speaker 3: to focus on all that stuff, but it doesn't make
Speaker 3: it any easier, you know, And I'm.
Speaker 6: Not going to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, there's nothing that I or you're real
Speaker 1: therapist or any No. No, what you're doing is very
Speaker 1: hard and stressful and kind of sucks, and it's not
Speaker 1: gonna get easier. But you'll be able to do it.
Speaker 1: You'll do it. You'll get it done if you want to.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna get through it.
Speaker 1: But you will.
Speaker 3: I'll see if I survive.
Speaker 1: You'll survive, you won't die. I mean, how much that
Speaker 1: are we talking? How much? Dad, are you going to
Speaker 1: go into.
Speaker 3: Right now? We're like just a couple of thousand, maybe
Speaker 3: like four or five thousand.
Speaker 1: Did you go to college?
Speaker 3: I'm majoring in film at my local community college.
Speaker 1: Okay, are you paying to be there?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: Okay, you're not paying to be there? Okay. I mean, listen,
Speaker 1: people go into debt for fucking way more money than
Speaker 1: a few thousand bucks to do dumber shit at college.
Speaker 1: So consider this in a similar sense of you're going
Speaker 1: into debt to receive an education type of vibes. Because
Speaker 1: I always say to people who go to these like
Speaker 1: big fancy film schools and everything, it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, you spent a few thousand bucks to actually
Speaker 1: go and make a movie, And there are people out
Speaker 1: there who are spending eighty times what you just spent
Speaker 1: to sit and learn about fucking Stanley Kubrick in a classroom.
Speaker 1: That doesn't help them do anything. So I would think
Speaker 1: about it from that perspective.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is a good point.
Speaker 1: Getting an education.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess some kind of I guess like the
Speaker 3: experience that I've had so far as invaluable. You know,
Speaker 3: had to present myself in this professional manner when I'm
Speaker 3: out here interviewing actors and hosting auditions and working with
Speaker 3: my crew, and that's like stuff that that's big time stuff.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 3: I have goals that I'm trying to get to and
Speaker 3: like I said, I can't think I can't think small,
Speaker 3: so there's always big goals. So this is like that's
Speaker 3: like something that I talked to my with my therapist
Speaker 3: about like how how the experience is invaluable and that's
Speaker 3: what I should be focusing on the experience. But I
Speaker 3: just can't get out of my head that this project
Speaker 3: isn't going to come together like I wanted to.
Speaker 1: I've sunk money and time and ship into this is
Speaker 1: by the way, this is why I quit making films
Speaker 1: and why I like doing what I do on the Internet,
Speaker 1: which is like very quick short stuff and maybe after
Speaker 1: and maybe and and you know, you have to go
Speaker 1: through the experience of trying to make a feature length
Speaker 1: film or some shit like that to really gain this perspective.
Speaker 1: Like and that's why I say you're getting an education.
Speaker 1: Is part of dude. Part of embarking on like a
Speaker 1: long project is realizing that it might not come out
Speaker 1: the way you wanted it to. And I remember being
Speaker 1: in a situation where I was afraid of that. And
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, if it happens, it's fine. This is
Speaker 1: not gonna be the like unless if you, if you,
Speaker 1: if you don't want it to, this will not be
Speaker 1: the last thing that you make creatively, you know, So
Speaker 1: don't don't go in here thinking this is the last
Speaker 1: thing you'll ever do. If you, if I had to
Speaker 1: give you some sort of you know, mindset thing that
Speaker 1: you can use right now, it would be that this
Speaker 1: is not the last project you'll ever embark upon.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I get that, But at the same time, like
Speaker 3: I care about this project. I put a lot of
Speaker 3: time into it, and I you know, like I want
Speaker 3: it to be good. I want people to see it.
Speaker 3: I can't even get people to follow my TikTok like like,
Speaker 3: and I'm worried about like if I try to go
Speaker 3: for like a festival gun if it's good even going
Speaker 3: to get in because that's more money. And maybe I'm
Speaker 3: just like I'm too far ahead of where I'm supposed
Speaker 3: to be at right now. Maybe it's just just focused
Speaker 3: on in the moment of trying to get the thing done.
Speaker 1: Yeah, please do that. Focus on the moment of trying
Speaker 1: to get the thing done. Don't worry about the festival run,
Speaker 1: don't worry about any of this shit. This is not
Speaker 1: the last movie you'll make. Look at this as a
Speaker 1: as an education because that's what it is. Okay, charge
Speaker 1: it to the game as they say, Yeah, what's your take?
Speaker 3: My TikTok? Is this that cinema?
Speaker 1: This d cinema? Okay, I'll check it out. Anything else
Speaker 1: you want to say to other people with the computer before
Speaker 1: we go, Isaiah.
Speaker 3: Uh no this thank you for your time. You're a
Speaker 3: hard lizard to reach, so I'm glad I was able
Speaker 3: to get through to you.
Speaker 1: Of course. Uh thank you for connes. I appreciate you,
Speaker 1: and good luck with the film.
Speaker 3: All right, thank you bye.
Speaker 1: This is the sunk cost fallacy which I might fall
Speaker 1: victim to all the time, I fell in victim to
Speaker 1: it in the same way that Isaiah has with making
Speaker 1: movies and shit. You sink a bunch of time and
Speaker 1: a bunch of money into something and it becomes a
Speaker 1: big fucking ball of chain around your around your your leg.
Speaker 1: And I get where Isaiah's coming from, because I'm not again,
Speaker 1: I'm not talking to Isaiah in a retrospective. I'm talking
Speaker 1: to Isaiah in the height of his emotions surrounding this project.
Speaker 1: And I've been there before. And if I heard what
Speaker 1: I just told Isaiah in the height of the emotion,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be recepted to it either. But I'm fucking
Speaker 1: telling Isaiah, you will eventually you will enter. You will
Speaker 1: eventually you will exit this. You will be older, time
Speaker 1: will pass, you will complete the project, and you'll look
Speaker 1: back and you'll go, oh, yes, that was an education.
Speaker 1: And with all this festivals and getting people to actually
Speaker 1: watch the thing and building an audience like you, you know,
Speaker 1: those are not gates that are closed to you because
Speaker 1: your one project didn't work out. There's there's many opportunities
Speaker 1: ahead for Isaiah. This that cinema. I'll check it out.
Speaker 1: Thanks for calling. Isaiah.
Speaker 8: Hello, Oh my goodness, Hi.
Speaker 1: What's your life like?
Speaker 8: It's pretty good right now. I just recently moved. He's
Speaker 8: been getting Betty.
Speaker 1: What where did you recently move to?
Speaker 8: I moved to Michigan from Chicago.
Speaker 1: This is weird, but I feel like those are the
Speaker 1: same place, right, I mean not really.
Speaker 8: I didn't move to like a big city or anything.
Speaker 8: I moved like from a big city to a little
Speaker 8: small town.
Speaker 1: In my mind, I don't care about I don't care
Speaker 1: where stuff is. Like I think like Saudi Arabia and
Speaker 1: Colorado to me are in the same place. Does that
Speaker 1: make sense? I guess.
Speaker 3: I guess it's all subjective.
Speaker 1: Is there anything in particular you want to talk about today? Valerie,
Speaker 1: It's okay. If not, it is Valerie of val Kyrie.
Speaker 8: It's Valkyrie.
Speaker 1: Is that a fake name or is that a real name?
Speaker 8: Well, I'm a sex worker, so it's my like fake name.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, cool? Cool? What's going on with you?
Speaker 8: Valchorim? But so I have like I have been like
Speaker 8: a strange for my family. I all my family lives
Speaker 8: down in Florida, except for my immediate family lived up
Speaker 8: in Michigan here for a couple of years. It's up
Speaker 8: until a couple years ago, sorry, and ever since they
Speaker 8: like moved away, Like I try to reach out to
Speaker 8: them and like meet up and stuff or just like
Speaker 8: call them or whatever, and no one ever really like
Speaker 8: answers my calls or will respond to my text and
Speaker 8: it like kind of hurts.
Speaker 1: Hmmm. How long have you been a strange from them for?
Speaker 8: It's going on like three years now?
Speaker 1: Three years? What did did something happen three years ago
Speaker 1: that was like the inciting incident to this?
Speaker 8: Not really, I just turned eighteen three years ago and
Speaker 8: then I moved out, like as you do. And then
Speaker 8: ever since, it's been like such a pain in the butt,
Speaker 8: Like try and get a hold of them.
Speaker 1: What about your brothers and sisters if you have any.
Speaker 8: I'm the oldest of six, but all of them except
Speaker 8: for one of them, are under the age of twelve,
Speaker 8: so they're really little.
Speaker 1: Uh oh wow, So that's a that's a pretty huge
Speaker 1: age gap. Yeah, between you and five other kids.
Speaker 3: I used the one like raised.
Speaker 8: The one that's over twelve is my younger brother.
Speaker 1: His name is Ethan, and how old too?
Speaker 8: He is nineteen now?
Speaker 1: Okay, he's nineteen, okay, so he's pretty similar in age
Speaker 1: to you are. Are you in touch with him?
Speaker 8: Not really. We never really got along like growing up
Speaker 8: because I don't know, we just like butted heads a lot.
Speaker 8: But he doesn't ever really like use his phone either,
Speaker 8: so I wouldn't even like try to.
Speaker 1: So it's mainly your family members who aren't answering your calls.
Speaker 8: Yeah, or text or anything. Like my dad just bought
Speaker 8: a house and I asked him about it and he
Speaker 8: just sent me the Zillow link with like no nothing
Speaker 8: after that, and this little link had nothing on it
Speaker 8: because the house to be sold.
Speaker 1: Weird. So it's not a complete and utter ghosting. They
Speaker 1: are still giving you some low forms of community, yes,
Speaker 1: like Zilo links exactly.
Speaker 8: It's all like half assed so because they have like
Speaker 8: their whole family group chat that I've asked to be
Speaker 8: a part of and they won't.
Speaker 7: Like put me in it.
Speaker 1: Ah, man, that's a tough that must be as a
Speaker 1: tough feeling. That's a tough thing to deal with. Why
Speaker 1: do you think it is that they why do you
Speaker 1: think it is that they are being so dismissive of you?
Speaker 8: I have the idea I think it's like, because I
Speaker 8: won't move down to Florida with them, I think they
Speaker 8: all kind of resent me for that. Every time I
Speaker 8: go down there to visit, they all that's all they're
Speaker 8: really talking me about. But I hate Florida. It's not
Speaker 8: a great place to live.
Speaker 4: So I still visit.
Speaker 8: Like once every three months. I don't see why.
Speaker 7: It's a big deal.
Speaker 1: Do you think that they don't want to talk to
Speaker 1: you because you won't go down to Florida? Are have
Speaker 1: you ever gone in the past three years? Have you
Speaker 1: gone there at least to visit?
Speaker 8: Yeah, I've been to Florida like twice this year already,
Speaker 8: and four times in the last six months.
Speaker 1: No, not not to visit, just the state. But have
Speaker 1: you gone to visit your family when you were there
Speaker 1: these this year?
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's all I ever go down there for.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, So you have had contact with him in
Speaker 1: the past three years.
Speaker 8: Yeah, they just like don't text me back, Like as
Speaker 8: soon as I come up here, it's like I'm dead.
Speaker 1: Ah okay, all right, but when you okay, so you're
Speaker 1: not estranged from them though, when you go down there,
Speaker 1: you see them.
Speaker 8: Yeah, but that's the only time I ever get anything.
Speaker 1: Do when you go down there and you talk to
Speaker 1: them in person, do you tell them that you feel
Speaker 1: isolated when you're out of town. I do, actually, And
Speaker 1: what do they say?
Speaker 8: They kind of like, well, my dad, who is my
Speaker 8: main problem, He doesn't really like say anything at all.
Speaker 8: He just like kind of huff and then we'll move
Speaker 8: on to something else. But the rest of my family
Speaker 8: like kind of apologizes and says they'll do better, and
Speaker 8: then like nothing ever comes from it.
Speaker 1: M what's the rest of your life?
Speaker 8: Like, well, I just recently broke up with ex boyfriend
Speaker 8: and I moved back to Michigan just because I missed
Speaker 8: all my friends and stuff. I didn't really have a
Speaker 8: lot of friends out in Chicago.
Speaker 1: Okay, so you're living your life, You're hanging out and
Speaker 1: you said you're in Michigan, right, You moved from Chicago
Speaker 1: to Michigan, which are both, yeah, the same. They're about
Speaker 1: twenty miles away from each other. And you have your own,
Speaker 1: your own life in Michigan that you forged for yourself
Speaker 1: outside of the little circle in Florida where you have
Speaker 1: your friends and associates. And I assume maybe you even
Speaker 1: have a job there. I know everyone's kind of working
Speaker 1: from home. But you have favorite restaurants in Michigan, you
Speaker 1: have a fucking Maleman. You have a life that you've
Speaker 1: built for yourself that you can put a little flag
Speaker 1: on and lay claim too. Is that accurate?
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's accurate.
Speaker 1: Good, And I think that you, as your own independent
Speaker 1: human being on this earth, should take pride in that life.
Speaker 1: And I'm sorry to hear that your family is not
Speaker 1: is not as proud of you for that as they
Speaker 1: should be. It's good that you're trying to keep contact
Speaker 1: with them, but at the end of the day, think
Speaker 1: it's good that you ventured out of the Florida circle
Speaker 1: to do your own thing, because what people should do, right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's good that you come.
Speaker 8: Down a lot in the what do you.
Speaker 1: What are you seeing in the chat? Don't I tell
Speaker 1: people not to look at chat? What are you seeing
Speaker 1: in the chat?
Speaker 8: I'm seeing a lot of like anti sex work stuff and.
Speaker 1: Like, what what's your what's your Vaca valcoy, don't don't
Speaker 1: read the chat? Okay, tell me, tell me what you're
Speaker 1: going to say.
Speaker 8: Anyway, it just doesn't have My family is all actually
Speaker 8: super accepting about what I do. So that's definitely not that.
Speaker 8: I just think it's more of a weird like communications
Speaker 8: like communications things they want you.
Speaker 1: Down in Florida. It's the opposite of that. I assume
Speaker 1: people in the chat are thinking that they're shunning you
Speaker 1: because of sex work, but that's not what they want
Speaker 1: you down in Florida.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But as we've established you, you've built your own life
Speaker 1: with its own flag in Michigan, and I think it's
Speaker 1: good that you're continuing to make trips down to Florida
Speaker 1: because it sounds like family is important to you, but
Speaker 1: it's also important to you to have your own life.
Speaker 1: And you know, I know that you're experiencing issues with this,
Speaker 1: but it sounds like you're doing like a pretty good
Speaker 1: job of balance.
Speaker 8: Again.
Speaker 1: I mean, you go home, you said three times a year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you said, you said you've been home two times in
Speaker 1: this past year.
Speaker 6: Yep.
Speaker 1: That's pretty damn good man. I know people here in
Speaker 1: California who go home, you know, once every seven thousand years,
Speaker 1: So you're doing pretty good. Thank you, Valkerrie. Is there
Speaker 1: anything else you want to say to the people of
Speaker 1: the computer before we go?
Speaker 8: Not really, honestly, thank you for taking my call.
Speaker 1: Of course, thank you for calling. I hope that this
Speaker 1: was of something. I hope this felt productive, this was productive.
Speaker 8: Thank you very much.
Speaker 1: Good have a good night, Valkyrie, you as well. I
Speaker 1: don't I don't. I don't I understand why she why
Speaker 1: she doesn't want to go down to Florida. Florida sucks. Actually,
Speaker 1: I don't know why. You know why I said that.
Speaker 1: I said that just now because a lot of other
Speaker 1: people have said that Florida sucks, and I am parating
Speaker 1: their opinions. I've been to Florida multiple times, and you
Speaker 1: know what, It's fine. I shouldn't have said it sucked.
Speaker 1: I was just saying that because I wanted to say
Speaker 1: something about a place because it feels good. That's why.
Speaker 1: This is why people do it. This is why people
Speaker 1: say things like Florida sucks, Texas is awful, Connecticut is bad.
Speaker 1: They do it because it's not because they really believe.
Speaker 1: Because it feels good to say that, to have negative emotions.
Speaker 1: It's cathartic. The Ranger suck ah, fucking Miami heat fuck ah.
Speaker 1: It feels good. It presnds chemicals to the brain of happiness.
Speaker 1: To be mad at something that has not has no
Speaker 1: sentience at all and doesn't care about you and that's
Speaker 1: why I did it just now and I'm sorry.
Speaker 8: Really goes on the line, taking your phone calls every night.
Speaker 7: The recon goes to his d he's teaching you Cloud
Speaker 7: in the Memorial Life, but he's not read an expert