1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,440 Speaker 1: Welcome to Fridaysnition, a big blue kickoff live here on 2 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:04,920 Speaker 1: Giants dot com. He is Jeff Fiegel's I'm Lance Meadow. 3 00:00:04,920 --> 00:00:06,760 Speaker 1: Thanks so much for spending part of your day with us. 4 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:08,560 Speaker 1: Take you up to the top of the hour, all 5 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:12,400 Speaker 1: things Giants up for discussion. Two zero one four five 6 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 1: one three is the telephone number. You can also chime 7 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:17,040 Speaker 1: in via Twitter hashtag giants Chat. We're gonna get to 8 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 1: your phone calls, get to your tweets a little bit 9 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:20,799 Speaker 1: later on in the program, but right off the top, 10 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 1: we are going to wrap up our opponent previews today 11 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:26,479 Speaker 1: as the final opponent that we have to break down 12 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 1: is the Indianapolis Colts. Is the Giants of the Colts 13 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 1: will battle in week sixteen, so we got some time 14 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:34,159 Speaker 1: until we get there, but to get a better idea 15 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:36,839 Speaker 1: of what to expect from Indianapolis this season. We are 16 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 1: now joined by Andrew Walker, writer for Colts dot Com. Andrew, 17 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:42,480 Speaker 1: you got Lance Meadow Jeff Feagles with here on Giants 18 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:46,840 Speaker 1: dot Com. Appreciate the time. How's everything, Andrew, Hey, guys, Hey, 19 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 1: everything's going well. Just been joining the last couple of 20 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 1: days for the grind really starts with training camps so so, 21 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 1: and it's been us interesting off season. So I think, uh, 22 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 1: a couple of well well deserved days off here this 23 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 1: week and then and get back to it next week. 24 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:06,679 Speaker 1: Absolutely before you know it, well, grind start is right 25 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 1: on the horizon. This is like the calm before all 26 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 1: of a sudden things getting too and I and I 27 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 1: have a I have a funny feeling that it might 28 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 1: be a real grind for you guys up in Indiapolis 29 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 1: coming to see. That's just you know, saying in that 30 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 1: division that you guys are in, it's gonna be a 31 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:24,199 Speaker 1: tough one for these guys this year. Well, and that's 32 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:26,120 Speaker 1: that's really kind of you know, if you look at 33 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 1: the FC sound asked, it's really and that um. But 34 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:34,400 Speaker 1: you know that the Texans every once a while or 35 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 1: the Titans every once a while would kind of have 36 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:38,480 Speaker 1: a good team and contend, but mostly it's been the 37 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:41,199 Speaker 1: Colts and and the Jaguars have just been the little 38 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:44,040 Speaker 1: brother everybody's beat on. And then now all of a sudden, 39 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 1: you know, you get um. You know, as you guys 40 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 1: are very well aware, you know, you get um, you know, 41 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 1: something built and you get people that know what they're doing. 42 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 1: And build something. And now that the Jaguars seem to 43 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 1: just be just just the class of the the FC 44 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 1: South right now. But the South still could be very good. 45 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 1: And as you said, it could be tough for the 46 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 1: Colts obviously, but depending on who's under center, um healthy, 47 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:10,960 Speaker 1: how quickly they can adjust to a new coaching staff 48 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:13,920 Speaker 1: and all these schemes. Um, you know, they still I 49 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 1: think the thought processes. Um, let's be realistic here, but 50 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:29,639 Speaker 1: they still can contend. I think all he said, let's 51 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 1: start there. He did throw a little bit during the 52 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 1: course of the off season program. What's the latest with 53 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 1: respect to Andrew Luck? How has he looked from what 54 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:41,799 Speaker 1: you've seen? Yeah, by all accounts, you know, from Luck himself, 55 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:44,920 Speaker 1: from general manager Chris Ballard, from head coach Frank Right, 56 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 1: Luck should be ready to take on more of a 57 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 1: full practice flow by the time camp practice the start 58 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:53,079 Speaker 1: next week. Um, he's just kind of continued to check 59 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:56,080 Speaker 1: off the boxes. Um, you know, the last few weeks 60 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 1: he was supposed to have really ramped things up, and 61 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 1: we believe he worked with his receiver out in California 62 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 1: here recently. But he's a really private person. So, UM, 63 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 1: the only thing we really have to go off. There 64 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 1: are Instagram stories from receiver Chester Rogers, but um, no 65 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 1: Luck wants to and have them wants to throw four 66 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:16,640 Speaker 1: days a week now, just kind of like he would, 67 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 1: because they'll have during camp, will have kind of theo 68 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 1: ratical Wednesdays, Thursdays and Fridays like during the race by 69 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 1: the Sunday the rest the other day. So it's gonna be. 70 00:03:44,880 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 1: I just wanted to be there. Yeah, let's shut it 71 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 1: down and kind of refocus the rehab. By all accounts, 72 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 1: things are are looking good. Um he now, but now 73 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 1: getting adjusted to this new offense with Frank Reich and 74 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:18,480 Speaker 1: Nick Sirianni Um. Obviously you guys very familiar with Frank 75 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:22,719 Speaker 1: Reich and what he can do the last couple of seasons. 76 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 1: But um really a creative mind and a quarterback friendly 77 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 1: type system um for Luck and UM and Jacovid precent 78 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 1: for that matter, who um you know had to come 79 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:37,719 Speaker 1: in and immediately start after being traded, you know for 80 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:40,720 Speaker 1: from the Patriots last year and did okay you know 81 00:04:40,880 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 1: the final m hm Um, what what if if if 82 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 1: he had to tell you or maybe the medical staff 83 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 1: or the coaches, what what is one thing that they 84 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 1: want to be really careful with him. I know that 85 00:05:41,440 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 1: you had mentioned him it was working from pas from 86 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:09,839 Speaker 1: the ground. You know, US doesn't want your shorter just naturally, 87 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 1: so they wanted to have work from a new face. 88 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:18,480 Speaker 1: That that's not that much of an issue. That one 89 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 1: of the last days about work was the biggest thing 90 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:23,720 Speaker 1: now and go to when you try to come that 91 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:26,719 Speaker 1: last year was he feels when he throw it now, 92 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 1: but it feels a good sword, lasher. You don't mean 93 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 1: a short sin and the shoulder and a bad sword. 94 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 1: So that they think they're clear m as far as 95 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 1: that concern so pace, maybe having a new offense that's 96 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:47,479 Speaker 1: a little bit more quick strike like Man's been able 97 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:50,479 Speaker 1: to do have some success and were more quick strike offense, 98 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:54,920 Speaker 1: Um to blow your hands, um better offensive line. Over 99 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 1: all they think, um, they think all these factors together 100 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 1: should really help me and who wat. Yeah, he's gonna 101 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 1: get it. And I think he's a big thing at 102 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 1: least a little bit maybe maybe a little bit just 103 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 1: to trying to get that again, I don't think that's 104 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 1: everyone's gonna be kind of cringeing when it first happens. 105 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 1: But I don't I don't think it's that big of 106 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 1: a deal to everybody. I think the main thing is overall, um, 107 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 1: all those factors going to play to him having um 108 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 1: just prolonged success and making sure he continues to be 109 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 1: the future of the franchise. Um let me ask you, 110 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 1: so that you lose Frank Gore from the EU by 111 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 1: the way, Yeah, what's what's the deal with the running backs? 112 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 1: I'm looking at I'm looking at the Yeah, Marrian mac right, guys, 113 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 1: it's more of a down, blinded out third and one 114 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 1: protecting type back. Yeah. And and he um, he suspended 115 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 1: the first four games, so there's another you know, there's 116 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 1: another thing to throw into the figure. Another Dallas guys 117 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:39,960 Speaker 1: suspended games. Really, we're used to that. By the way, 118 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 1: we like to We like to throw shots at those 119 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 1: Dallas guys every once in a while for some reason. 120 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:50,840 Speaker 1: I don't know, but we do. Sorry, Andrew, I don't 121 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:56,200 Speaker 1: mind at all. But um, So, the short answer about 122 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 1: the run game is they're gonna no longer kind of 123 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 1: have a bell cow like a Gore, and they're going 124 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 1: to do more running back by committee. You guys all 125 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:06,559 Speaker 1: saw it with um Reich and he goes last year 126 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 1: with Harrett blond g I and Bory Clement. Um, they 127 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 1: kind of split Carry's blunt, got most you know, the 128 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 1: majority of them, but then a gay and Clement kind 129 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 1: of sprinkled in there when when needed. Um and every 130 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 1: one of those backs by a different flavor to the 131 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 1: offense kind of kept defensive guessing UM and they ranked 132 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 1: thirtain league doing that. So UM the Colts kind of 133 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 1: a similar sitficture right now with Marlon Mack again. This 134 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:32,680 Speaker 1: will be a second year. He is coming off labor 135 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 1: surgery UM and training camp should be his reintroduction to 136 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:39,719 Speaker 1: the field. He in participating on season program. He's a 137 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 1: guy that that has all the tools to be a 138 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 1: breakaway back. He's not your traditional back by any means, 139 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 1: but he's a guy that can take it outside and 140 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:49,439 Speaker 1: hit a home run anytime he has the ball in 141 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 1: his hands. He has to work though, on not breaking 142 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 1: it outside every time. He's working on his inside game 143 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 1: so that he doesn't have He had a lot of 144 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 1: positive you know, plus fifteen plus twenty Yarc Gerry's last year, 145 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 1: but he also had a lot of zero and negative 146 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 1: Yarc Gerry's. So as the second year back, they're hoping 147 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 1: that they'll be able to take what he's learned, especially 148 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 1: from a guy like Frank Gore, and kind of take 149 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 1: it to a new level. Now he behind the guy 150 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:16,839 Speaker 1: that that you draft in the in the fourth ground. UM, 151 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 1: a guy that that's just a weapon all over the field. 152 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 1: Kind of. I don't you know, I don't know how 153 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:26,960 Speaker 1: you guys are on the expectations or attaching names to it. UM, 154 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:32,559 Speaker 1: but you know he's a guy that that's kind all 155 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:35,559 Speaker 1: very well and guy that runs the ball very well. UM, 156 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:37,839 Speaker 1: that that can do it all at the running back 157 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 1: position as far as be a weapon and take take 158 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:43,679 Speaker 1: the defense's attention away from others. So UM, but he 159 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 1: has a rookie, so we have to see, you know, 160 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 1: once the pass come on, how he can do. UM. 161 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 1: But then there's they got Jordan Wilkins in the draft 162 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 1: to UM. And then there's Christine michael you know, another 163 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 1: former cowboy UM who's in the mix. Now now that 164 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 1: Turbans kind of suspended the first four games, Christine michael 165 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:05,559 Speaker 1: Kin takes on the um the veteran presence, if you will. 166 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:08,439 Speaker 1: So there's gonna be competition there and the names aren't 167 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:11,599 Speaker 1: super well known, UM, but the thought processes with the 168 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 1: run back by committee. You know, well, to your point, 169 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 1: as we're talking with Andrew Walker of colds dot Com, 170 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 1: that's exactly what Philadelphia was able to take advantage of 171 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 1: where they had a variety of backs. Even Darren Sproles 172 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 1: was involved before he went down, So I could see 173 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 1: Frank Reich adopting a similar philosophy. Now, as you well 174 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 1: know it, it's all dependent on that offensive line. And 175 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 1: I think it's fair to say over the last few 176 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 1: years and even a contributing factor as to why Andrew 177 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:47,959 Speaker 1: Luck got hurt, the offensive line has been someone of 178 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 1: the Achilles heel for this team. They go out, they 179 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:53,600 Speaker 1: draft to offensive lineman. I love the Quentin Nelson pick 180 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:55,839 Speaker 1: in the first round. They also got Brandon Smith in 181 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 1: the early second round. How is this offensive line looking, 182 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 1: especially with them infusing some youth. And I know they 183 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:04,719 Speaker 1: also went out and brought into veteran free agents in 184 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 1: Matt's Lawson and Austin Howard. Yeah, yeah, there's no doubt 185 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 1: Chris Ballard enter the twenty draft with a primary focus 186 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 1: of strengthening the Colts upfront first and then kind of 187 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 1: working his way back from there. And as you know, 188 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 1: it's you know, it's well known how much the Cults 189 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 1: have struggled with their offensive line in recent years. I 190 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 1: mean last year, I think fifty six sacks allowed. So 191 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 1: uh and again that's not all on the offensive line, 192 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 1: but you know it mostly is. So Ballard makes the St. 193 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 1: Patrick's Day trade with the Jets that moved into from 194 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:38,440 Speaker 1: number three to number six, but netted them three additional 195 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 1: second round picks. Um two of them in this year's 196 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:44,440 Speaker 1: draft and one next year. Um and and starts making 197 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:48,200 Speaker 1: the fixes and um you know, the Cults were barely 198 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:50,720 Speaker 1: even on the clock by the time Ballard called into 199 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 1: quitt Nelson to to pick him. Um. And he can't 200 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 1: really blame him as far as um. You know, this 201 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 1: guy is considered one of the best, if not the 202 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 1: best offensive line overall prospects regardless of position the last 203 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 1: decade or two. Um and and that guy, you know, 204 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:10,079 Speaker 1: not only position of need, but but someone of that 205 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 1: caliber you want to get obviously, you know, I'm sure 206 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 1: the courts would have loved had as you guys know, 207 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 1: I say, Klon Barkley. Um, they consider Badley job maybe 208 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:22,439 Speaker 1: moving up to the number five to get shock, but no, 209 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 1: they're they're very comfortable with Quintin Nelson Um, and then 210 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:30,319 Speaker 1: you mix that at you put quintinon left guard, you 211 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:33,680 Speaker 1: already have the anti Kistonzo at west and Ryan Kellyott center. 212 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:36,839 Speaker 1: Those are all former first round picks. And then on 213 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 1: the right side you kind of a competition. But it 214 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 1: seems like Matt Fauston right now over Braydon Smith at 215 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:45,200 Speaker 1: right guard and Austin Howard right now evern Denzel Good 216 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 1: at at right tackle. But what that means is your 217 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 1: line is a lot more solidified than it has been 218 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 1: years past. And they believe the competition will not only 219 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 1: you know, obviously you'll get your starters from that, but 220 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:59,080 Speaker 1: you'll have good depths behind them, which is not something 221 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 1: they've had in the past. And they've been really struck 222 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 1: with the injury bug on the offensive line, which hadn't 223 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 1: helped things, and then poor play overall just obviously doesn't 224 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 1: help things. So um, they think that that should help 225 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 1: a lot. Um and uh and I know the Colts 226 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:17,199 Speaker 1: really wanted will Hernandez um and thought that once will 227 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 1: Rnandez was off the board, Brandon Smith was really the 228 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 1: final kind of starting caliber rookie UH draft pick available 229 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 1: at the guard position, so they jumped at the chance 230 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 1: to get him with with one of their four second 231 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 1: round picks. So um, so I know that, you know 232 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 1: there's still a lot of work to be done. You 233 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 1: gotta do it on the field again. You throw the 234 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 1: pads on. I think next Saturday will be the first 235 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 1: pad and practice for the Colts. Throw the pads on 236 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 1: and see where you're at, and then getting the preseason, 237 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 1: the regular season all that. But I think the thought 238 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 1: process right now is they're very encouraged by how they've 239 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 1: been able to kind of build up the offensive line 240 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 1: going inside out in their excuse me, in their approach 241 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 1: instead of just kind of picking and choosing a free 242 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 1: agent here, free agent there, or kind of picking someone 243 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 1: in the draft. It's it's a very it's been a 244 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 1: very focused um selection of these guys as far as 245 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 1: going inside and getting offensive linemen. I mean, we pretty 246 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 1: much touched everything other than the wide receivers where you 247 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 1: really need some help. Buck is gonna throw at anybody. 248 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 1: I mean, right now, you've got t Y Hilton, then 249 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 1: Jack Doyle and my well you got Ibrom too. So 250 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 1: but I think you look at that that's kind of 251 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 1: you know, there's there's there's a there's a void there 252 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 1: as far as starters end in depth, Yeah, no, And 253 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 1: and that was that's definitely a storyline enter campum what 254 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 1: they think they have. So really, the only returners coming 255 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 1: back from last year from the Colts um at the 256 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 1: life receiver position made any sort of significant contributions. Obviously 257 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 1: Hilt and then Chester Rogers who kind of um third 258 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 1: your guys who kind of battled um some hamstring injuries 259 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 1: and then came back and he had a touchdown his 260 00:15:56,520 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 1: first crew touchdown last year. Maybe, but a guy who 261 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 1: shows up really well in the practice field and they 262 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 1: hope that it can translate to the game field here soon. 263 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 1: But then you sign Ryan Grant, who's a dependable route 264 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 1: runner guy not going to blow you away with speed 265 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 1: or or anything like that, but a guy that runs 266 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 1: really good routes and catches the ball and had a 267 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 1: good year for the Redskins last year. So those three 268 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 1: are kind of right now being counted on, um, you know, 269 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 1: at at the wide receiver position, and really t Y 270 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 1: Hilton hasn't had and and this is what they need 271 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 1: more than anything. They need someone to take the pressure 272 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 1: off t Y Hilton because when teams last year were 273 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 1: able to just completely take Hilton out of the game. Really, 274 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 1: no one. I mean Jack Jack Doil had eighty receptions 275 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 1: and was a pro bowler, maybe partly because of this 276 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 1: and because he's just good. But when when teams took 277 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 1: two Y Hilton out of the game, there's just nothing 278 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 1: you could do. And they need a number two receiver 279 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 1: to step up, um to at least be consistent. I 280 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 1: think they think they have that in either Rodgers or 281 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 1: rind Grant. But they did get Dean kan Anna Clemson 282 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 1: Um with the sixth round pick, and there's a lot 283 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:06,159 Speaker 1: of talk about why he dropped the sixth round. He 284 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:09,440 Speaker 1: was probably a second or third round talent. But he's 285 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:12,159 Speaker 1: he seems to be, at least through the off season prominent. 286 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 1: He seemed to be Um. You know, all they talked 287 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 1: about as far as talent and and what he brings 288 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:19,480 Speaker 1: to the position and speed and size and all that. 289 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 1: He seems to be the real deal. UM. And then uh, 290 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 1: you know, they have Greast Fountain who played at a 291 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 1: small school in northern Iowa but was productive. Obviously if 292 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:31,880 Speaker 1: you're going to pick him in the fifth round, Um, 293 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 1: and it seems to also have size, talent, Um you know, speed, 294 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 1: all those attributes. So there's three guys at the top 295 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 1: and Hilton Chester Rodgers and Ryan Grant that they're going 296 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 1: to be depending on, and then a couple of wild 297 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:47,440 Speaker 1: cards and rookies that they hope can kind of step 298 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 1: up and and prove their worth maybe a little early 299 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 1: being fifth in six round picks. Andrew Elier, we were 300 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 1: talking about perhaps the similarities between the Eagles run game 301 00:17:56,600 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 1: and the Cults run game. I look at last year 302 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 1: and what zach Ertz was able to do a huge 303 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 1: breakout campaign, and then Trey Burden, who's now with the 304 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:08,720 Speaker 1: Chicago Bears, was also a key contributing factor for Philadelphia 305 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:11,719 Speaker 1: based on the fact that Frank Reich was there. I mean, 306 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 1: if I'm Jack Doyle, I gotta be excited in terms 307 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 1: of how he utilized the tight end. But I'm curious, 308 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 1: from your perspective, how much do you think they're going 309 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:21,480 Speaker 1: to utilize Doyle and Ebron on the field at the 310 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 1: same time to perhaps make that a big component of 311 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 1: the offense this year. Yeah, it's actually been a fun 312 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:31,040 Speaker 1: game for us this offseason. Like We'll look at the 313 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 1: Eagles off season from last year be like, oh, maybe 314 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 1: the Coults will do this exact thing because it works 315 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 1: so well for them last year. Um, but you know 316 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 1: you also have to Jack Doyle is about as dependable 317 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 1: as it comes as far as um doing his job, 318 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 1: the dirty work as a tight end and then making 319 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:50,479 Speaker 1: tough getting open across the middle intermediate kind of two 320 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:54,440 Speaker 1: short routes and just being a good security blanket. So um. 321 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 1: And then Eric Ebron is more your freakish athletic guy 322 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:01,160 Speaker 1: now obviously as he had four years with the Lions, 323 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 1: number ten overall, pick picked the head of Odell Beckham, 324 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:06,920 Speaker 1: you know. And um, it hasn't really panned out for 325 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:09,440 Speaker 1: him the way that everyone had hoped, But I think 326 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:12,959 Speaker 1: the hope is that a fresh start should really benefit him, 327 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:15,919 Speaker 1: especially in this kind of offense. So you look at Arch, 328 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:19,159 Speaker 1: you look at Trey Burton. Um, they're not exactly Doyle 329 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 1: and Ibron. That's what you can't say one's one and 330 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 1: one is the other. But they definitely all have similarities 331 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 1: as far as what they bring as far as pass 332 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 1: catchers together as a group. So I think what you 333 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 1: do is you use Ebron as you got your mismatch guy. 334 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:34,440 Speaker 1: We saw him lined up all over the field out 335 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 1: wide and the thought and all that during practices UM 336 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 1: to kind of blow by either linebackers or safeties or 337 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 1: out muscle cornerbacks across the middle. Then you utilize Doyle 338 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 1: to continue being that high reception security blanket UM dependable 339 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:52,879 Speaker 1: guy kind of the shorter routes. And once you do 340 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:55,439 Speaker 1: that and you can start looking at the possible numbers. 341 00:19:55,920 --> 00:20:00,040 Speaker 1: Doyle can still have seventy catches and and be in 342 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 1: the six seven range in yards, and Ibron can can 343 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 1: have catches, have a few a few more touchdowns and 344 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:09,680 Speaker 1: be more of the big play guys. So the Colts 345 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 1: are really excited about what they have at at tight end. 346 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:15,440 Speaker 1: And then they have a few more guys Ross Travis Um, 347 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:19,879 Speaker 1: Darryl Daniels kind of uh, guys you you wouldn't have 348 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:22,720 Speaker 1: heard of, but there are more of the basketball prototypes 349 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:26,680 Speaker 1: UM kind of like a you know, uh talking about 350 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:29,160 Speaker 1: you know, Eric Slope also on the Colts of basketball 351 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 1: prototype UM that that guys that they think can can 352 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:35,640 Speaker 1: be mismatch nightmares eventually, but for right now with Doyle 353 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:37,359 Speaker 1: and Ebron, I think the Colts are really excited with 354 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 1: what they have at tight end. Well, you know, you 355 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:42,240 Speaker 1: gotta you're gonna switch at the defense. They switch it 356 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:45,359 Speaker 1: up from a three four to a four three Giants 357 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 1: had done the opposite, went from four three to three four. Um. 358 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 1: But you know, looking at the at the Colts, Rosser 359 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 1: very young and experienced, very thin on depth. And then 360 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 1: talk a little bit about that. And I also like 361 00:20:57,080 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 1: to know a little bit about Malik Hooker and how 362 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:01,959 Speaker 1: he is coming back from his a cl injury from 363 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 1: last year to the former number one pick for the 364 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:08,720 Speaker 1: Colors last year, right, and uh, you know, just going 365 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:12,119 Speaker 1: with Hooker, he's one of those guys that when he 366 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:14,160 Speaker 1: was healthy, he was on the field last year. He's 367 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 1: a guy that I like personally, I couldn't keep my 368 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 1: eyes off of him. He's just kind of that kind 369 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 1: of playmaker, maybe like a land In Collins, just always 370 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:23,400 Speaker 1: you know, always around the ball, always making a play, 371 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:27,200 Speaker 1: and then unfortunately gets hurt. Um, you know, Week seven, 372 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 1: just a you know, a freak thing where he's he's 373 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 1: taken out at the knee along the sideline a legal block. 374 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 1: Still you know, look, you know, brutal, and he's done 375 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 1: for the year and and now he's working his way back. Um. 376 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 1: I would say he's a good candidate and and you know, 377 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:45,000 Speaker 1: this is just my guest for the pup list to 378 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 1: start training camp maybe and see where he's at. He didn't, 379 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:49,639 Speaker 1: you know, obviously didn't participate in any of the on 380 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:53,400 Speaker 1: field stuff during offseason, and he'll be about the nine 381 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:56,200 Speaker 1: to ten month mark um and his recovery by the 382 00:21:56,280 --> 00:22:00,080 Speaker 1: time the regular season rolls around. So um, you know, 383 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 1: that's that's fast, but that's about normal maybe for for 384 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:07,080 Speaker 1: some of these more freakish athletic guys that can come back. 385 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 1: Great deal. So we'll kind of see with him, but 386 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 1: I would certainly think by week six team, by the 387 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:14,240 Speaker 1: time the Colts play the Giants, he'll he'll obviously be 388 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:18,400 Speaker 1: back in ready go um. As As for the defense, yeah, 389 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 1: they go to a four three because first off, you know, 390 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 1: you look at kind of the Peyton Manning era um 391 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:27,119 Speaker 1: and um and the surface the Colts play on, you know, 392 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:32,200 Speaker 1: uh indoor surface um, and you see all the success 393 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 1: they had. Now, the defense wasn't great every single year, 394 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:36,920 Speaker 1: but the success they had was with the pass rush 395 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,640 Speaker 1: with Dwight Freeney and Robert Mathis and then they would 396 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,200 Speaker 1: sprinkle in some really good you know, Bob standers and 397 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:44,760 Speaker 1: guys like that. UM. They want to get back to that. 398 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 1: They want to play speed effort football, UM and go 399 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 1: into the fourth three will allow him to do that. 400 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 1: They're gonna try that again, kind of utilize what the 401 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:55,480 Speaker 1: Eagles have done last year where it was just throwing 402 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 1: guys at you and waves, and that's what they want 403 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 1: to do so UM. So yeah, but they are young, 404 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:05,200 Speaker 1: they're unproven. UM the linebacker spot, UH defensive corder and 405 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:07,800 Speaker 1: Matti ever Flew said, I walked in the set towards 406 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:09,879 Speaker 1: the end of the off season program. He said, I 407 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 1: walked in the linebacker room today and told the guys, 408 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:14,359 Speaker 1: and he means that he's not just saying it to 409 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:17,239 Speaker 1: build competition. He says, I don't know who number one 410 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 1: is right now, and I don't know who number ten 411 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:21,159 Speaker 1: is right now. So that's how wide open it is 412 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:24,359 Speaker 1: that linebacker heading into training camp. So there's some questions 413 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 1: at linebacker, the sand, the mic and the will. UM. 414 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:30,440 Speaker 1: There's there's young guys that could fill those spots, but 415 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 1: there's been some kind of off season injury issues like 416 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:36,400 Speaker 1: Darius Leonard, the second round pick out of se State. 417 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 1: There's you know, no one really knows what's going on 418 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:40,879 Speaker 1: with him so um and he's yet to sign as 419 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 1: his rookie contract too, so there's some questions there, but 420 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 1: there are some pieces in place there. I think the 421 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:49,639 Speaker 1: defense kinda as you allude to, as young, it's going 422 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:52,680 Speaker 1: to take its lumps early, but by week sixteen, I 423 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 1: think they will have a really good idea of what 424 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:58,440 Speaker 1: they have um defensively, and and the Giants will will 425 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:01,399 Speaker 1: obviously have plenty of film by that time um and 426 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 1: and try to adjust. But but I think it's it's 427 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:06,399 Speaker 1: a unit that by by the end of the season 428 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 1: this year and come next year, will really have been 429 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:11,399 Speaker 1: built up to exactly what Chris Ballard and the coaching 430 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 1: staff wants. Well, Andrew, one player they had who was 431 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,959 Speaker 1: an established veteran was Jonathan Hankins, who Giants fans are 432 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:21,000 Speaker 1: very familiar with, and it appeared they parted ways with 433 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:23,720 Speaker 1: him because of financial reasons. But you know, from what 434 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:26,359 Speaker 1: I saw, I thought Hankins was fairly productive in his 435 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:29,159 Speaker 1: one year with Indianapolis. Two part question for you, Andrew, 436 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 1: just because obviously it's tied into the Giants, how surprised 437 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:35,440 Speaker 1: were you that they ultimately parted ways with Hankins? And 438 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:37,480 Speaker 1: how surprised, are you that is actually still on the 439 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 1: market and has yet to be signed by a team. Yeah, 440 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:43,720 Speaker 1: I was. I was super surprised when when that ended 441 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 1: up playing out. I think it was the same day 442 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:49,040 Speaker 1: as St Patrick's day trade. Um, and then later in 443 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:51,159 Speaker 1: the day they let Hankins go, I think what they 444 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 1: were doing, and then they just ultimately came to conclusion 445 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:55,880 Speaker 1: it wasn't gonna happen. They were trying to put them 446 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 1: on the market and see if any teams were interested 447 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:01,480 Speaker 1: in the trade, and it just wasn't happening. For Chris Bower, 448 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 1: the way he explains it, it was scheme fit um. 449 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:06,360 Speaker 1: He says, going from the three four to the four 450 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:11,040 Speaker 1: three just wasn't Hankin's strong suit. According to them, they think, um, 451 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:13,400 Speaker 1: he's great against the run and a four three he's 452 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 1: a great, you know, gap guy. He's very good at 453 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:19,480 Speaker 1: minding his gaps, he's very good at stopping the run. Um. 454 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:21,760 Speaker 1: But they felt that in the four three they needed 455 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 1: quick more quickness off the ball. And Hankins is a 456 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,720 Speaker 1: big fella and they have some big fellas currently, but 457 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 1: they just felt they wanted a little bit more quickness 458 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 1: off the ball. Um. What was interesting to me though, 459 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:34,720 Speaker 1: is Hankins did play in a four three in New York, 460 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,480 Speaker 1: so um and he did pretty well. So you know, 461 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:40,920 Speaker 1: I you know, maybe, as you alluded to, maybe some 462 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:43,360 Speaker 1: some money had something to do with it, but maybe 463 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 1: it didn't because the Colts still have a crap ton 464 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:49,679 Speaker 1: of cap room um left even after the free agency, 465 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,640 Speaker 1: in the draft and all that. So um. So yeah, 466 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:54,760 Speaker 1: but you know, I know he's kind of flir with 467 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,920 Speaker 1: the Redskins a little bit. Um uh. And it seems 468 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 1: like that's that ship has sailed. The Red Skin has 469 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:02,480 Speaker 1: got a couple other guys up front that that filled 470 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 1: their needs. But um, you know, he's one of those 471 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 1: guys that wherever he goes, he'll you know, maybe he'll 472 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 1: be kind of like a Dez Bryant where he doesn't 473 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:14,640 Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily need uh uh not in not in many ways, 474 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 1: but in this one particular way like des Bryant, where 475 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,240 Speaker 1: he doesn't necessarily need a full offseason workout. He's a 476 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:23,000 Speaker 1: veteran by now, he can come in and contribute, um, 477 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,960 Speaker 1: you know, whether it's the start a camp or you know, 478 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:29,080 Speaker 1: put him in the preseason or whatever. Um, it seems 479 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:31,359 Speaker 1: like he's veteran enough that he can help a team 480 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 1: um no matter when he signed, So I'm not really 481 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,520 Speaker 1: super surprised he's still out there. Um. But but I 482 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:39,480 Speaker 1: think whatever team does get him, um, he'll do a 483 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:42,119 Speaker 1: good job because he was He was a great uh 484 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 1: defender against the run last year to the Colts, and 485 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,920 Speaker 1: the Colts improved greatly um actually against the run um 486 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,600 Speaker 1: despite all their other issues in their defense. So UM. 487 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:53,879 Speaker 1: So I think Hankins is a guy, he's well liked, 488 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 1: he's uh, he's a leader, um. And it just wasn't 489 00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,040 Speaker 1: a good fit, I think, scheme wise, and they just 490 00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:01,680 Speaker 1: want to be Christa want to be honest with with 491 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,120 Speaker 1: himself and say, is this the perfect guy we wanted 492 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:07,159 Speaker 1: to do? Would we rather have someone uh younger that 493 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 1: we can fill in and and and developed there that 494 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,680 Speaker 1: that's more to what we want at that position. So 495 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:17,920 Speaker 1: that's what they did. Well, I gotta go. And and 496 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 1: by the way, we we have a lot of people 497 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:22,960 Speaker 1: like you on our shows and telling and doing great jobs, 498 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,320 Speaker 1: but we always have to end on special teams. So 499 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,960 Speaker 1: I always have to ask a special teams question. Being 500 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:34,040 Speaker 1: that and two parts number one, number one Michael Badgeley 501 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:38,600 Speaker 1: was from Miami. My son plays for Miami, is a puncher, 502 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 1: So Michael and my son's Zach room together on the road. 503 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 1: So Number one was curious how he did in camp 504 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 1: and what your take was. I know, he has basically 505 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:48,920 Speaker 1: no shot to make the team as a place kicker 506 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,959 Speaker 1: other than the fact that maybe Adam Vinintary is uh, 507 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,639 Speaker 1: you know, a hamstring away from retiring. But I know, 508 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 1: I know that, you know, after playing twenty two seasons, 509 00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:59,879 Speaker 1: now Adam is gonna break my twenty is gonna be 510 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:03,720 Speaker 1: He's gonna move up into the upper echelon of years 511 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 1: played in the NFL and no one you're rooting for 512 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 1: the handstream, but I do want to you know, he's 513 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:12,439 Speaker 1: just been an amazing player. Obviously you're gonna be a faer. Um, 514 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:14,240 Speaker 1: give me a little bit about the kicking game, and 515 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:16,760 Speaker 1: and uh and everybody else can you can go to 516 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 1: the bathroom and come back when you're done. Usually what 517 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:24,200 Speaker 1: happens where we go here. Yeah, well, batually, the good 518 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,240 Speaker 1: news for Badley is that he'll probably you know, he'll 519 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:29,359 Speaker 1: have his shot to at least get good practice film 520 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:33,359 Speaker 1: for himself to showcase to other teams, because you know, 521 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 1: it's Terry's so experienced and and frankly so old now 522 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,560 Speaker 1: that he doesn't need to kick. He knows how many 523 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:43,240 Speaker 1: you know reps he needs during off season during training 524 00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 1: camp to get self ready. So the good news for 525 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 1: Badley is, yeah, he's probably not gonna make the team obviously, 526 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,920 Speaker 1: but but he'll have some good film, right you know, 527 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,400 Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know if they'll keep him 528 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 1: to the preseason or what, but if they do, that's 529 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:57,640 Speaker 1: very good for him, and you have a chance to 530 00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 1: show what you can do to the thirty one other teams. 531 00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:03,040 Speaker 1: As we know, the kicker market, there's the same it 532 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 1: seems like the same five to six guys every year 533 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,600 Speaker 1: that signed with new teams. And if you can establish 534 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,320 Speaker 1: yourself as a younger guy like Badgley Canden Will, that 535 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:14,120 Speaker 1: would be good for him. Um. But yeah, Fitterry, I 536 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 1: think by week five should be holding the league's all 537 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 1: time career field goals made record UM and by week 538 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,400 Speaker 1: by week eight or nine should be the all time 539 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,840 Speaker 1: leader in points scored. So he's just you know, it's 540 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:32,680 Speaker 1: just another year for him, um, which is amazing to say. 541 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:35,280 Speaker 1: Now he's gonna be forty six this year. UM. Later 542 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 1: this year and UM, and and it's been amazing to 543 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,080 Speaker 1: be able to watch that kind of like you allude 544 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 1: to with Frank Gore, it was awesome to be able 545 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,760 Speaker 1: to watch him go about his business. It's the same 546 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:48,280 Speaker 1: with that inventory and you're watching legit not not just 547 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,400 Speaker 1: tall of famers, but the best of all time at 548 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 1: their position. UM. It's something you don't take for granted. UM. 549 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,280 Speaker 1: But as far as you know, at punter with rigor 550 00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,960 Speaker 1: Berto Sanchez was one of the if not the top 551 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:02,240 Speaker 1: rookie putter last year. UM did a really good job 552 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:04,960 Speaker 1: with net yardage and and all that stuff. Was I 553 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,240 Speaker 1: think third in the league and net yardage. So he 554 00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:09,600 Speaker 1: was able to fill the shoes of Pat McFee pretty well, 555 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,479 Speaker 1: which isn't easy to do. UM. So they've they've got 556 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,320 Speaker 1: they've got a duo there. UM. And then Luke Rhoades 557 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:17,520 Speaker 1: that long we'll talk long snappers and and people can 558 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:23,320 Speaker 1: can come back from the now perfect time. But Luke Rhodes. 559 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:27,000 Speaker 1: Luke Rhodes last year was was trying out at linebacker. 560 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:29,040 Speaker 1: He had he had been on the team the previous years, 561 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,960 Speaker 1: the first year linebacker, kind of a backup guy, and 562 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,200 Speaker 1: during the off season there and during the off season 563 00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 1: they said, hey, do you want to give snapping a 564 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:40,200 Speaker 1: dry because they had released veteran Matt Overton, and um, sure, 565 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,400 Speaker 1: so he made the team. Um he hadn't snapped since 566 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,080 Speaker 1: high school. They made the team as a long snapper 567 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:49,320 Speaker 1: and had no issues whatsoever during the season. So, um, 568 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:51,400 Speaker 1: so the Colts feel The Colts have a lot of 569 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:56,360 Speaker 1: questions everywhere else, especially on defense, but at special teams, Um, 570 00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,800 Speaker 1: they feel comfortable with what they have. So that's that's 571 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:02,080 Speaker 1: one area they've they've pretty much always excelled in and 572 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:05,240 Speaker 1: in an area they expect to continue excelling in this year. 573 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,280 Speaker 1: We're talking with Andrew Walker of Colts dot Com. Andrew, 574 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 1: before we let you go, just a big picture perspective, 575 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:12,680 Speaker 1: the Colts and the Giants are similar in the fact that, 576 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,480 Speaker 1: you know, both teams really changed the culture of the 577 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:19,000 Speaker 1: organizations this offseason, especially in terms of the coaching staff. 578 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 1: And you know, I'm sure a lot of people remember 579 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,240 Speaker 1: Josh McDaniels, it appeared was going to be the head 580 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:28,760 Speaker 1: coach and then all of a sudden, Chris Pallard my apologies, 581 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,120 Speaker 1: and that Chris Ballard is thrown for a loop, and 582 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,080 Speaker 1: you know. I mean, the fact that he managed to 583 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,400 Speaker 1: get Frank Reich, I think is an accomplishment in itself 584 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:39,480 Speaker 1: considering what he did with the Philadelphia Eagles. What type 585 00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,760 Speaker 1: of a challenge has it been for Frank Reich Considering 586 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:44,800 Speaker 1: he came in late, he had to put a coaching 587 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 1: staff together, and you know what type of position did 588 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:50,080 Speaker 1: that really put them in? Considering the off season time 589 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:52,600 Speaker 1: is short and so valuable to get ready for the 590 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:57,880 Speaker 1: upcoming campaign. We'll think about this, um, Chris Ballard. You know, 591 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 1: usually in an off season as GM, he to fly 592 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,080 Speaker 1: around the country to all kinds of pro days and 593 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:07,240 Speaker 1: workouts for for draft prospects. But the Colt hired Frank 594 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:10,520 Speaker 1: Rich I believe on February tenth, and then they essentially 595 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,360 Speaker 1: had two weeks to assemble a coaching staff before the 596 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,320 Speaker 1: start of the combine um, which you know, obviously the 597 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,760 Speaker 1: coaching staff's vital and interviewing players and prospects, and then 598 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,000 Speaker 1: you've got you know, Senior Bowl and all that stuff. 599 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:25,480 Speaker 1: So um, so there's all that going on, and so 600 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:28,920 Speaker 1: Chris ball excuse me, can only get to one pro 601 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:30,520 Speaker 1: day this year, and it just happened to be Notre 602 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:32,840 Speaker 1: Dames so he got a chance to see quent Nelson 603 00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,560 Speaker 1: up front, up close and kind of make his decision. Hey, 604 00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 1: if if this guy is still available, where we're jumping, 605 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:41,200 Speaker 1: you know, we're jumping at him. Um. So that's how 606 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,880 Speaker 1: that kind of worked out with Frank Rich there. They 607 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 1: feel very fortunate the way things worked out. Um. You 608 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,560 Speaker 1: know obviously as you talked about with Josh McDaniels. Uh. 609 00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:51,160 Speaker 1: You know, I've said this's a couple other times, but 610 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,040 Speaker 1: I almost drove I was driving home and I almost 611 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:55,880 Speaker 1: drove off the road when I saw on my phone 612 00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:59,400 Speaker 1: someone sent me that yet backed out on the because 613 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,760 Speaker 1: it was it was such a sure thing, um that 614 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:03,480 Speaker 1: he was coming to the Colts. I mean, they scheduled 615 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:05,920 Speaker 1: a press conference for the next day. Um, we were 616 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:07,760 Speaker 1: given the go ahead to post stuff to our site 617 00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,640 Speaker 1: and all that. Um So so I almost drove off 618 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:12,600 Speaker 1: the road because I was so surprised by that. But 619 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,000 Speaker 1: the Colts feel very fortunate because Rick was on the 620 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:18,400 Speaker 1: original list of six or seven guys they really wanted 621 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:21,440 Speaker 1: to talk to for the position, but because Mike wasn't 622 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,440 Speaker 1: accepting any calls during the playoffs, they just they couldn't 623 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:26,520 Speaker 1: talk to him. Uh. You know they couldn't reach out 624 00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:28,680 Speaker 1: to him and try to get an interview. Um. So 625 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,280 Speaker 1: the Eagles win the Super Bowl, rights all of a 626 00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:35,360 Speaker 1: sudden available, they have a very big need and it 627 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,800 Speaker 1: takes less than a week for them to um after 628 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,040 Speaker 1: interviewed maybe a couple other guys, but it takes less 629 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,760 Speaker 1: than a week for them to realize we should have 630 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:46,240 Speaker 1: targeted this guy from the start. Um So it has 631 00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:49,680 Speaker 1: been a challenge. UM. You know, he's sent the staff 632 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,360 Speaker 1: at the thought process, isn't that they they're kind of 633 00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,719 Speaker 1: getting like a leftover staff. They've got a pretty good 634 00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:59,520 Speaker 1: mix of experienced guys and then really good former college 635 00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,320 Speaker 1: coaches and all that, and then factor and Robert Mathis 636 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:06,080 Speaker 1: is coaching the team's pass rushers. Um. Reggie Wayne has 637 00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:09,080 Speaker 1: been a kind of volunteering with the receivers. They've they've 638 00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:12,560 Speaker 1: got some good coaches and teachers in place now. Um So, 639 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,680 Speaker 1: now now it's just applying that on the field. Um 640 00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:19,520 Speaker 1: but you know, everything considered, just how tumultuous this offseason 641 00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:23,200 Speaker 1: has been. Um Edwin Jackson, linebacker passed away in a 642 00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:28,000 Speaker 1: very unfortunate, uh drunk driving related accident where someone hit 643 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,359 Speaker 1: him on the side of the road, not him being drunk, 644 00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:33,319 Speaker 1: but someone hit him, um in February. You know, It's 645 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,200 Speaker 1: it's been a tumultuous offseason for the Colts, but I 646 00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:40,080 Speaker 1: think Wright has been able to establish um uh. You know, 647 00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:42,799 Speaker 1: he's been very firm in and his beliefs and very 648 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:44,600 Speaker 1: firm in the way he goes about things, and he's 649 00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:48,000 Speaker 1: been a very good leader. Um. And and it's solidified 650 00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:52,560 Speaker 1: kind of the the whole organization. So um, I think 651 00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:56,200 Speaker 1: going into camp and and the season, um, you know 652 00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,000 Speaker 1: right right said, you know, he has his eye towards 653 00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:01,160 Speaker 1: the future, and he knows that the Colts are building 654 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:04,719 Speaker 1: their roster currently, but he's focused on winning now and 655 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:06,759 Speaker 1: and he don't he doesn't think it'd be fair to 656 00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,120 Speaker 1: his players or his coaches to be saying, yeah, we're 657 00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,279 Speaker 1: gonna be good next year or the year after. He 658 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:13,120 Speaker 1: wants to be good now. He saw I was done 659 00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:14,719 Speaker 1: with you know, to be a winner with the with 660 00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,600 Speaker 1: the Bills all those years as their backup quarterback, and 661 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:19,719 Speaker 1: then last year with with the Eagles. So he knows 662 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:21,560 Speaker 1: how it's he knows how to get the Super Bowls 663 00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,759 Speaker 1: and he wants to establish that right now. So yeah, 664 00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:28,239 Speaker 1: the the Josh McDaniels. Thing was was unfortunate, but I 665 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,279 Speaker 1: think it was a blessing in disguise for everybody with 666 00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:33,160 Speaker 1: the Colts organization. Oh, it will certainly be exciting to 667 00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:35,640 Speaker 1: see Andrew Luck back on the field and what becomes 668 00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:38,080 Speaker 1: in the Colts just his Giants. Fans are intrigued by 669 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,080 Speaker 1: what's gonna happen with the Giants with a new coaching 670 00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:43,360 Speaker 1: staff in the new offense. Andrew great insight. Really appreciate 671 00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,960 Speaker 1: your time. Thanks so much for joining us. Appreciate it. Hey, thanks, 672 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,040 Speaker 1: you guys really appreciate having me on and good Luck 673 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,240 Speaker 1: this year. You got to get ready for the grind, Andrew, 674 00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:56,160 Speaker 1: get some sleep, absolutely before you know it. Andrew Walker 675 00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,960 Speaker 1: Colts dot Com kind enough to weigh in on what 676 00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:02,120 Speaker 1: to expect from Indianapolis this season, and you know, like 677 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,680 Speaker 1: the Giants, a lot of new things in store for 678 00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:07,040 Speaker 1: the Colts. He talked about the change over in the 679 00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:10,200 Speaker 1: coaching staff, but this is an extremely young team. It's 680 00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:13,120 Speaker 1: amazing how when Peyton Manning was there and even had 681 00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,080 Speaker 1: you look at the beginning of his career, Jeff, you know, 682 00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:18,080 Speaker 1: you look at Indianapolis, you look at an established, a 683 00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:20,440 Speaker 1: f C powerhouse, a team with a lot of weapons. 684 00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,120 Speaker 1: Yet well in the last few years they've really infused 685 00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:25,080 Speaker 1: a lot of youth, a lot of unknown commodities on 686 00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:26,920 Speaker 1: this team. It seems to me that you know, you 687 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,360 Speaker 1: always you always knew that Peyton Manning in that offense 688 00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:31,239 Speaker 1: was going to be good, you know, so and then 689 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,360 Speaker 1: they started to have that defense, which really that's what 690 00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,160 Speaker 1: got into the Super Bowl and those things like that, 691 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:38,399 Speaker 1: like you said, freeeny mass absolutely you know, and very 692 00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:42,120 Speaker 1: very fast defense that and then as soon as Peyton 693 00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,160 Speaker 1: left and all of a sudden, you know, these guys 694 00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,480 Speaker 1: all a studden and start retiring and leaving the defense, 695 00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:48,520 Speaker 1: and then the organization you had to you had what 696 00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,480 Speaker 1: happened to uh Rob, you know ursay, all the stuff 697 00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:53,839 Speaker 1: to off the field there um, and then you had 698 00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,680 Speaker 1: the of course the the with the coach, um with 699 00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:00,160 Speaker 1: the coach from the Colts before Josh know that just 700 00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:03,200 Speaker 1: got fired. Um yeah, Chuck, So you know that that 701 00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,080 Speaker 1: whole thing with he had cancer and then they felt 702 00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:07,080 Speaker 1: I really felt that they felt bad for the guy 703 00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:10,279 Speaker 1: and then they back. Yeah. So there was a lot 704 00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:13,600 Speaker 1: of turmoil in the organization and I think that you know, um, 705 00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,759 Speaker 1: and maybe they are lucky to get Frank Reich, you know, 706 00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,319 Speaker 1: who knows the time will tell. But you do see 707 00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:21,880 Speaker 1: a lot of similarities in the fact that building a roster, 708 00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:25,000 Speaker 1: they're doing a lot like Philadelphia has done, and and 709 00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,080 Speaker 1: and and you know, really that's what you're gonna do. 710 00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:28,759 Speaker 1: I mean, if you're a first time head coach, you're 711 00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:30,719 Speaker 1: gonna you're gonna kind of take what you what, the 712 00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,440 Speaker 1: success that you've seen and the team that you were 713 00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:35,399 Speaker 1: just with by the way, they won the Super Bowl, 714 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:37,520 Speaker 1: and try to mimic a lot of that. Now, some 715 00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:39,239 Speaker 1: of it you can do and some of you can't. 716 00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:41,600 Speaker 1: It's also up to the gen general manager and and 717 00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:44,239 Speaker 1: the organization if they let you operate in that sense, 718 00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,520 Speaker 1: you know. But uh, you know they're they're gonna have 719 00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:49,239 Speaker 1: a tough, tough hill uphill. I mean he said that 720 00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:51,880 Speaker 1: Frank Breik knows how to win. Yeah, he might know 721 00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:53,920 Speaker 1: how to win, but it's gonna be tough to win 722 00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:55,960 Speaker 1: with this roster. I can tell you that right now. 723 00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:58,400 Speaker 1: And by the way, you do. By the way, he 724 00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:00,279 Speaker 1: did go to four Super Bowls, they never are one 725 00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:03,640 Speaker 1: one of them either, So you're talking about his days 726 00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:05,800 Speaker 1: with the Bill, Yeah, absolutely, But I'm just you know, 727 00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:07,879 Speaker 1: a kidding the side. I think he is a good coach. 728 00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:11,000 Speaker 1: I think he understands um what's going on, and I 729 00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:14,160 Speaker 1: think that being down in Philadelphia will help him, uh 730 00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:16,520 Speaker 1: get this team in the at least going in the 731 00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:18,920 Speaker 1: right direction. Well, he's worked with a variety of different 732 00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,799 Speaker 1: quarterbacks and even though Andrew Luck's been in the league 733 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,080 Speaker 1: for a little bit, he's still a young quarterback who 734 00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:27,520 Speaker 1: has time in terms of development. So that's a positive 735 00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:29,400 Speaker 1: and that I think Riich has worked through the variety quarterbacks. 736 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:32,040 Speaker 1: Remember he was also before he went to the Eagles. 737 00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:34,840 Speaker 1: People forget he was the offensive coordinated the Chargers, so 738 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,600 Speaker 1: he worked with Philip Rivers. So I think that experience 739 00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:40,360 Speaker 1: is gonna help. It will give Andrew Luck a new voice. 740 00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,120 Speaker 1: But the key is he's gotta be on health wise. Jeff. 741 00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:45,000 Speaker 1: We could talk about all his upside. You want you 742 00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:47,200 Speaker 1: gotta be healthy, and that's why I asked him the 743 00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:49,200 Speaker 1: question like if if you have to worry about one 744 00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:51,600 Speaker 1: thing is a great question. Yeah. I feel like you 745 00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:55,160 Speaker 1: know um a lot, like you know other players and 746 00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:57,640 Speaker 1: and you know, maybe you called Odell Backham. Okay, let's 747 00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:00,520 Speaker 1: talk about you know, you gotta be careful. You know, 748 00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:04,840 Speaker 1: Andrew had said that luck came back, he was missing 749 00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:06,719 Speaker 1: a couple of things here and there because he wanted 750 00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:09,440 Speaker 1: to get back quickly, and and he was, you know, 751 00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,200 Speaker 1: he was he felt bad about for his teammates, you know, 752 00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:14,200 Speaker 1: not being on field. Well, guess what that that kind 753 00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:16,160 Speaker 1: of backfired him because he didn't missed the whole season. 754 00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:18,279 Speaker 1: So this has spend one of those things where you 755 00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:21,600 Speaker 1: gotta be really really careful and take your time coming 756 00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:24,040 Speaker 1: back and then understand what you did right and what 757 00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:27,000 Speaker 1: you did wrong last time that you just come and corrected. 758 00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:29,400 Speaker 1: So um, I think that he's the kind of guy, 759 00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:32,360 Speaker 1: unfortunately for he's a competitor, and he's a guy that 760 00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:33,920 Speaker 1: wants to be on the field, and I think you 761 00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:35,719 Speaker 1: have to kind of take the reins and pull them 762 00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,120 Speaker 1: back a little bit. Um. You know, some guys are 763 00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:39,840 Speaker 1: like that. Some guys don't want to get back on 764 00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:43,880 Speaker 1: the field. They just basically say, hey, listen, I'm not 765 00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:45,640 Speaker 1: gonna get back there. I'm not going on there until 766 00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,520 Speaker 1: the regular season. But I think quarterback you've got to 767 00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:51,480 Speaker 1: be able to you know, receivers, yeah, you're gonna kind 768 00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:54,359 Speaker 1: of get hit, but quarterbacks, they get hit a lot. 769 00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:56,600 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, I mean in that pocketing 770 00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:01,520 Speaker 1: the ball. So yeah, at was the case for Indianapolis 771 00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:03,560 Speaker 1: over the last few seasons. That's why they went out 772 00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:07,200 Speaker 1: and addressed that area. Two one three is the telephone 773 00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:10,240 Speaker 1: number hashtag Giants Chat. We're gonna give you an opportunity 774 00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:12,239 Speaker 1: to weigh in for the remainder of the program as 775 00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:15,320 Speaker 1: we have officially wrapped up our previews of every single 776 00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:18,839 Speaker 1: Giants opponents, So hopefully you found those informative and before 777 00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,360 Speaker 1: you know it, will obviously be delving into the games 778 00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,160 Speaker 1: once again. Let's hit up the lines. We got Charlie 779 00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:31,399 Speaker 1: in Portland's main Charlie, what's up, Chuck? Hey, Jeff, Hey, 780 00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:35,480 Speaker 1: how how come we being preview the uh preseason game opponents? 781 00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:40,680 Speaker 1: Well we have time yet, hold on, Well we'll still 782 00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:44,920 Speaker 1: get to that, Charlie. Yes, yeah, we Actually we were 783 00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:48,560 Speaker 1: torn between previewing the Cleveland Browns or previewing and having 784 00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:52,000 Speaker 1: a conversation for the hundred fifty time about offensive linemen. 785 00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:55,680 Speaker 1: So it was a tough battle. Hey, hey, actually I'm 786 00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:58,719 Speaker 1: not I wasn't going to bring up the offensive line. Yeah, sure, 787 00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:04,480 Speaker 1: I'm positive. Is this Charlie for me? Hey, what I 788 00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:07,239 Speaker 1: was gonna bring up is like, what are we gonna 789 00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:11,400 Speaker 1: do wait to like twelve or one uh a m 790 00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:15,319 Speaker 1: on Sunday morning to sign Barkley? I mean, what, why 791 00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:17,480 Speaker 1: does it take so long to sign this guy when 792 00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:22,399 Speaker 1: everything slotted? I mean, you know, I don't get it. Well, 793 00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,040 Speaker 1: I will tell you that, yeah, everything is slotted, just 794 00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:27,239 Speaker 1: the numbers. But I think, Charlie, a lot of it 795 00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:29,839 Speaker 1: is a language. There's a lot of things in there 796 00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:33,359 Speaker 1: that people just like any contract, whether it's real estate 797 00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:35,880 Speaker 1: or whatever, they just don't like the way things are worded. 798 00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,320 Speaker 1: And I think that you know, you've got vacations and 799 00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:40,200 Speaker 1: you've got all this stuff. Believe me, by the time 800 00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:42,399 Speaker 1: it's it's coming, he's not gonna be a guy that's 801 00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,640 Speaker 1: gonna hold out until the middle because really, what are 802 00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:47,399 Speaker 1: you holding out? You're not holding out for money, You're 803 00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:50,439 Speaker 1: not the structure. So I think it'll get it'll get done. 804 00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:52,040 Speaker 1: But that's what they're doing. It's just a lot of 805 00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:54,600 Speaker 1: the language in there. And maybe there's some workout stuff, 806 00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:57,719 Speaker 1: workout bonuses, things like that that they're trying to to 807 00:41:58,200 --> 00:41:59,960 Speaker 1: hush out. Well, and here's the other thing, Charlie has 808 00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,319 Speaker 1: it means of comparison. You know. Number one, the big 809 00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:04,719 Speaker 1: positive is he's been with the team. He's been working out, 810 00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:08,200 Speaker 1: because if you remember Joey Bosa of the Chargers a 811 00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:11,080 Speaker 1: few years ago, it's also a topic and he held 812 00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:13,799 Speaker 1: out and he missed a big chunk of training camp. 813 00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,560 Speaker 1: So you know, I'm not trying to use this as 814 00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:19,040 Speaker 1: an example of well, there's nothing to worry about, but 815 00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:22,360 Speaker 1: I think there have been far worse situations in NFL 816 00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:25,200 Speaker 1: history where the contract doesn't get done but the rookie 817 00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:27,239 Speaker 1: decides he doesn't even want to show up. That has 818 00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:29,759 Speaker 1: not been the case with say Kawon Barkley. Yeah, So 819 00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:32,880 Speaker 1: in other words, if they don't have a contract by Sunday, 820 00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:35,880 Speaker 1: when when the rookies are supposed to be here, he 821 00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:39,680 Speaker 1: can still come even without a contrast, I don't know 822 00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:41,480 Speaker 1: the answer to them, and I don't think you can. 823 00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:45,480 Speaker 1: I think you're allowed to up in like the offseason stuff, 824 00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:47,640 Speaker 1: allowed to be in the building and stuff. But if 825 00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:51,000 Speaker 1: you if you're if you're here, um, because I think 826 00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:54,279 Speaker 1: that once you know, you can't be here, No you can't, right, 827 00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:56,600 Speaker 1: That's what I thought. So in other words, he could 828 00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:59,880 Speaker 1: miss two or three days because they haven't got a 829 00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:03,239 Speaker 1: round to signing this getting this contract on, which would 830 00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:06,120 Speaker 1: be you know, I know that two or three days 831 00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:08,640 Speaker 1: is you know, two or three days. I mean, it 832 00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:11,800 Speaker 1: isn't gonna be like set him back that much. But 833 00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:16,080 Speaker 1: it's just the idea that had like says April to 834 00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:19,279 Speaker 1: sign this guy, and they haven't done it. And they 835 00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:22,480 Speaker 1: haven't signed even Macintosh yet. And I can understand that 836 00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:25,840 Speaker 1: a little bit because it is health issue going on. 837 00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:29,880 Speaker 1: But uh, I mean, and if they can't sign Barkley, 838 00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:32,440 Speaker 1: how the heck are they going to sign O'Dell that 839 00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:34,920 Speaker 1: you know this year? How are they going to sign 840 00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:39,120 Speaker 1: Odell before September nine if they can't even sign Barkley yet? 841 00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:42,360 Speaker 1: So that's my concern. I guess well, I think that, 842 00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:45,319 Speaker 1: you know, as far as I think, it'll get done. 843 00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:47,160 Speaker 1: And you know, it's kind of funny that you you 844 00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:49,279 Speaker 1: kind of you don't think about how close this is. 845 00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:51,879 Speaker 1: I mean, the rookies are reporting in a few days, 846 00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:54,200 Speaker 1: so you know, we just kind of we get caught 847 00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:56,719 Speaker 1: up in this offseason thinking it's gonna last forever. It's 848 00:43:56,719 --> 00:44:00,239 Speaker 1: almost over, thank god. Um, But you know, as far 849 00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:02,480 Speaker 1: as O'Dell, I think that, you know, the Brandon Cooks 850 00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:05,239 Speaker 1: thing has now you know, there's some other things contracted 851 00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:07,120 Speaker 1: have kind of come to the to the table, and 852 00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:09,600 Speaker 1: now that they've got these things done and so hopefully 853 00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:11,440 Speaker 1: the team is now kind of seeing where he's going 854 00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:14,080 Speaker 1: to slot in there. And um Man, I hope toting 855 00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:16,800 Speaker 1: happens because the Surewood hate for him not to be 856 00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:19,640 Speaker 1: there in September. And also, just as a means of 857 00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:24,160 Speaker 1: background information, what normally happens, rookies will sign if they 858 00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:27,120 Speaker 1: don't have their contract hammered out, they'll sign a letter 859 00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:32,319 Speaker 1: of protection, which basically gives them protection against injury even 860 00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:35,120 Speaker 1: though they're not signed, so that they'll still recoup some 861 00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:38,160 Speaker 1: of that money even though you know, they don't have 862 00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:40,840 Speaker 1: a hardcore contract in place. So, like I said, it 863 00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:43,360 Speaker 1: varies from team to team depending on the language, but 864 00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:46,399 Speaker 1: it's not as if the player is not protected even 865 00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:50,160 Speaker 1: though he hasn't formally signed the contract. Yeah. Yeah, well 866 00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:51,960 Speaker 1: that's good. I mean, the thing that I've been hearing 867 00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:55,160 Speaker 1: is that they haven't even started negotiations with O'Dell yet. 868 00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:57,400 Speaker 1: You know, I don't know if that's true or not, 869 00:44:57,640 --> 00:44:59,800 Speaker 1: but it sounds like it is. So I mean that 870 00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:04,520 Speaker 1: that's disappointing to me is that your sources are more 871 00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:07,000 Speaker 1: accurate than any other sources. So I don't think you've 872 00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:10,520 Speaker 1: heard he's by far one on points. So do not 873 00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:13,880 Speaker 1: doubt anything that you hear, Charlie, because you know that 874 00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:17,080 Speaker 1: there is no question that it is extremely reliable information, 875 00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:21,000 Speaker 1: reliable sources without a doubt. That's why I'm here to 876 00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:23,800 Speaker 1: just emphasize I do remember this. He's still under contract 877 00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:25,400 Speaker 1: and he still has to be here or they can 878 00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:29,239 Speaker 1: find him up to dollars a day or something. Oh yeah, yeah, 879 00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:33,480 Speaker 1: living up to his bargain. He's been here and he's 880 00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:35,200 Speaker 1: got to continue to be here. He said he's not 881 00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:38,799 Speaker 1: going to hold out. That's why I'm surprised that at 882 00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:41,600 Speaker 1: least they should be talking to him and getting some 883 00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:46,160 Speaker 1: parameters set up. That they're not right, Charlie. We we may. 884 00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:48,759 Speaker 1: We don't know that they're not. Maybe they've made maybe 885 00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:57,000 Speaker 1: they've made something too fidentiality. Who yeah, that's that's that's possible. 886 00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:03,040 Speaker 1: I just proud. Uh. You know, I know Julio Jones 887 00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:05,600 Speaker 1: is different because he has three years left on his contract, 888 00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:08,239 Speaker 1: but you know, Landard just said, hey, we're not doing 889 00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:11,080 Speaker 1: anything now, So I don't know how that's got cool 890 00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:14,120 Speaker 1: before Julio or not. But I just hope they're you know, 891 00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:17,120 Speaker 1: you know, not having that same attitude. I think at 892 00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:20,640 Speaker 1: some point you gotta have submergency. I know Myers said, 893 00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:23,719 Speaker 1: we ain't got no urgency. It's gonna get done when 894 00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:26,719 Speaker 1: it gets done. But you know the time is time 895 00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:29,440 Speaker 1: is not on here. Well, surely remember you gotta keep 896 00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:31,680 Speaker 1: in mind a few things. One, he is coming off 897 00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,400 Speaker 1: a very serious injury, and you know the team may 898 00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:36,759 Speaker 1: want to see a little bit more before they make 899 00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,240 Speaker 1: a long term commitment. I'm just talking about my own opinion. 900 00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:41,360 Speaker 1: I'm not saying that that's what I heard. So you 901 00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:43,680 Speaker 1: know that's one factor. Normally, guys who are right during 902 00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:46,400 Speaker 1: the final year of their rookie deals. You know, not 903 00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:49,800 Speaker 1: everybody's coming off an injury, so you feel okay about 904 00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:51,759 Speaker 1: what the player has done and what he's gonna do 905 00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:54,600 Speaker 1: moving forward. In these rare instances, sometimes you want to 906 00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:56,279 Speaker 1: see a little bit. The other thing is, remember, and 907 00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:58,319 Speaker 1: I've said this time and time again, you also still 908 00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:00,839 Speaker 1: have the franchise tag. In the event that a deal 909 00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:03,120 Speaker 1: doesn't get hammered out. It's not as if they're gonna 910 00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:05,640 Speaker 1: lose him for nothing. They could still retain his rights 911 00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:07,839 Speaker 1: with the franchise take. So you know, it's not as 912 00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:09,880 Speaker 1: if it's a do or die situation where if a 913 00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:12,040 Speaker 1: deal doesn't get done by September, there's no way the 914 00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:14,919 Speaker 1: Giants can retain Odell Beckham. You brought up Julio Jones, 915 00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:18,920 Speaker 1: and Jones is different because Jones is talking about restructuring 916 00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:21,480 Speaker 1: a deal that is already in place, that he signed 917 00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:23,759 Speaker 1: and that he and the team agreed to, and he 918 00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:25,879 Speaker 1: also has a few years left on his contract. Meeting, 919 00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,240 Speaker 1: he's looking at all the deals that other wide receiver's 920 00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:29,799 Speaker 1: gone and he's saying, well, wait a minute, I'm one 921 00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:31,799 Speaker 1: of the elite guys. I want to get that money. 922 00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:34,720 Speaker 1: And Atlanta has every right to say, Julio, we signed 923 00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:36,800 Speaker 1: this deal with you a few years ago. At that 924 00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:39,520 Speaker 1: point you were getting paid, correct, and that's where you are. 925 00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:41,920 Speaker 1: So it's a little bit different than the Oldell backhap circumstances. 926 00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:45,880 Speaker 1: Al Right, guys, you guys have a great weekend as well. 927 00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:50,200 Speaker 1: Sounds good. Two zero one five one three is the 928 00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:53,080 Speaker 1: telephone number hashtag Giants Chatlet's head back to the lines. 929 00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:57,319 Speaker 1: Scott is in New Mexico. Scott what's happening? Hi, guys, 930 00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:01,239 Speaker 1: how are you doing? I was I wanted to go 931 00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:04,080 Speaker 1: over the Sam Beale pick. Uh No, not a lot 932 00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:06,000 Speaker 1: of people have called it and said that they think 933 00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:10,520 Speaker 1: it's a great pick. However, UM, I have a little reservation. 934 00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:13,320 Speaker 1: I was wondering if maybe you could assess my fears. 935 00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:20,120 Speaker 1: Uh uh. There's only been about four decent players taken 936 00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:23,080 Speaker 1: into supplemental drifts and seventy seven against the most famous 937 00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:28,200 Speaker 1: being Chris Carter, but there hasn't been anybody selected since. 938 00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:32,880 Speaker 1: And you had John Ledyard I think that's his name 939 00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:38,000 Speaker 1: of Draft network on and he sort of itemized most 940 00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:41,560 Speaker 1: of Sam Bill's traits and they weren't really His assessment 941 00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:44,960 Speaker 1: wasn't really very glowing. Uh. He didn't tackle well, he 942 00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:47,520 Speaker 1: didn't have great hands. This is John Lager, not my opinion, 943 00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:50,040 Speaker 1: but doesn't use his sleet well coming off the line 944 00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:52,040 Speaker 1: of scrimmage. It doesn't close well on the ball, and 945 00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:55,720 Speaker 1: he's light at a I know you had Corey Sanders 946 00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:57,800 Speaker 1: on who said he played at a hundred ninety pounds, 947 00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:03,000 Speaker 1: But my question is this because I don't know the 948 00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:04,960 Speaker 1: player and I've only seen a little bit of his 949 00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:09,960 Speaker 1: game films against USC and against Eastern Michigan and the interception. 950 00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:13,960 Speaker 1: I know he hasn't intercepted the ball that often. Right. 951 00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:16,120 Speaker 1: The one off that he had off Sam Donald was 952 00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:20,680 Speaker 1: actually the receiver's fall. It was a deflected ball, So 953 00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:24,400 Speaker 1: I mean he was the right place at the right time. Correct. Uh. 954 00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:29,040 Speaker 1: So here's here's my question. Why is there such a 955 00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:32,880 Speaker 1: diverse opinion about him if you have an expert and 956 00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:35,719 Speaker 1: I assumed John Lainger is an expert in the firm 957 00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:39,799 Speaker 1: draft network saying all of these things, Yet obviously Dave 958 00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:41,960 Speaker 1: Gentleman and then the rest of the crew feel he's 959 00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:45,440 Speaker 1: counted enough to get a roster spot. So I was 960 00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:49,920 Speaker 1: wondering how people can look at the same player and 961 00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:53,120 Speaker 1: see different things. I was wondering, what, I think that's 962 00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:55,319 Speaker 1: the easiest question we've ever been asked on this show. 963 00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:58,640 Speaker 1: You're talking you're talking about you're talking about guys that 964 00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:01,359 Speaker 1: that make the do this for a living, that put 965 00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:04,400 Speaker 1: rosters together, general managers who have been in the business 966 00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:06,719 Speaker 1: for a long long time, and now you're talking about 967 00:50:09,360 --> 00:51:07,400 Speaker 1: it's really are right. She was one of them from 968 00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:10,719 Speaker 1: Miami back in the day. Forget about Steve Walsh now. 969 00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:13,080 Speaker 1: But I think that you know you're right, and so 970 00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:15,879 Speaker 1: when they do go after one and people aren't saying 971 00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:18,000 Speaker 1: much about it, I could see the question that you're 972 00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:20,120 Speaker 1: having is like, well why, and maybe that's kind of 973 00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:24,120 Speaker 1: the end. Yeah, I know, like a Mod Brooks was 974 00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:26,799 Speaker 1: taken in the supplemental draft and Tomal Williams was taken 975 00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:29,839 Speaker 1: a supplemental draft, and I think Josh Gordon I think 976 00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:35,360 Speaker 1: was taking So you have some players up. But here's 977 00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:40,160 Speaker 1: my second question. Does he have third round challenge? In 978 00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:43,520 Speaker 1: other words, Giants took b J. Hill this year forgetting 979 00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:46,200 Speaker 1: that they played totally different positions, are gonna be us 980 00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:49,680 Speaker 1: totally differently? Do you feel either of you that he 981 00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:52,320 Speaker 1: has the same talent as a b J. Hill that 982 00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:55,200 Speaker 1: warrants the third round dress b J. Hill plays a 983 00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:59,839 Speaker 1: completely different position that obviously they're going to be played 984 00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:03,400 Speaker 1: totally different positions. But I'm talking about talent level. This 985 00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:05,960 Speaker 1: is this is what I will say. He was projected 986 00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:09,080 Speaker 1: before he entered the supplemental Draft to be a first 987 00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:12,719 Speaker 1: round pick in two thousand nineteen. So if he was 988 00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:15,239 Speaker 1: projected to be a first round pick in next year's draft, 989 00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:17,760 Speaker 1: and the Giants are saying to themselves, we think highly 990 00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:19,879 Speaker 1: of him, we think he has upside and we can 991 00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:22,359 Speaker 1: get him with a third round pick. I mean from 992 00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:24,880 Speaker 1: a value standpoint. Scott, Yes, I think that makes one 993 00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:29,000 Speaker 1: sense because with the supplemental draft, it's all about value. 994 00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:31,880 Speaker 1: It's about can you get a guy a little bit 995 00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:34,680 Speaker 1: later than maybe where he would have been taken if 996 00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:36,440 Speaker 1: he went through a normal draft. And I think that 997 00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:39,279 Speaker 1: was part of the Giants logic, and they said, well, 998 00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:41,080 Speaker 1: if he was gonna go in the first round of 999 00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:43,400 Speaker 1: two thousand nineteen and we didn't think we would get 1000 00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:45,000 Speaker 1: him in the round, we get him in a third 1001 00:52:45,080 --> 00:53:02,920 Speaker 1: round pick, and we can do it. Now. I can 1002 00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:05,239 Speaker 1: tell you this, and I may be completely wrong, but 1003 00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:07,879 Speaker 1: just from the people that I've spoken to and from 1004 00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:10,800 Speaker 1: what I've heard about Sam Beale, is that don't be 1005 00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:13,320 Speaker 1: surprised if you see this guy's playing a lot on Sunday. 1006 00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:16,479 Speaker 1: I think that I think that one of the things, 1007 00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:19,960 Speaker 1: um that he needs to improve on. And obviously, uh, 1008 00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:22,479 Speaker 1: he wasn't a you know, it was a guy. Listen. 1009 00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:25,040 Speaker 1: The reason that he was in the supplemental drafts because 1010 00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:27,719 Speaker 1: of classroom stuff. And it wasn't that he didn't go 1011 00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:30,120 Speaker 1: to school, and it wasn't that he wasn't smart. He 1012 00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:33,399 Speaker 1: he fell short in his credits, and so they had 1013 00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:53,439 Speaker 1: to you know, they probably i'd lead towards William K. Yeah, 1014 00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:59,880 Speaker 1: but I mean good questions, very good question also for 1015 00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:04,520 Speaker 1: they're looking forward to sure, sure, and again it's all 1016 00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:07,800 Speaker 1: gonna take. Whatever happens is up to these guys that 1017 00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:09,800 Speaker 1: they go out and compete. And that's what that's what 1018 00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:12,600 Speaker 1: Gentleman wants, and that's what Shermer wants. They want these 1019 00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:15,320 Speaker 1: guys to go compete. In the meantime, you want Eli 1020 00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:19,120 Speaker 1: Apple to come back and have another just a rebounding year. Okay, 1021 00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:21,359 Speaker 1: get just put everything aside and come back and play well. 1022 00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:23,640 Speaker 1: And of course you got you know, and and Jenkins too, 1023 00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:25,520 Speaker 1: you gotta get one him will come back and play 1024 00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:29,359 Speaker 1: well from injury. Yeah, but I appreciate the insight. Guys. 1025 00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:33,839 Speaker 1: Have a nice weekend. Stay cool up there in New Mexico. Now, 1026 00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:37,040 Speaker 1: all right, thanks to the phone call. I appreciate you 1027 00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:40,000 Speaker 1: weighing in. And we had both the head coach of 1028 00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:43,200 Speaker 1: Western Michigan, Tim Lester, as well as Corey Sanders who 1029 00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:45,680 Speaker 1: Scott throughout who is now with Pittsburgh when he was 1030 00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:48,000 Speaker 1: his DBS coach. Both those interviews are up on giants 1031 00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:49,400 Speaker 1: dot com. So if you want a little bit more 1032 00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:52,040 Speaker 1: insight on Sampiel. Now, you know, they have obviously their 1033 00:54:52,080 --> 00:55:22,279 Speaker 1: own perspective because they coached him. But that's why I 1034 00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:24,480 Speaker 1: think it always helps when you get some background information. 1035 00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:26,480 Speaker 1: But they did point out that he played around one 1036 00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:28,239 Speaker 1: nine D and they feel that he could get back 1037 00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:31,719 Speaker 1: up to that era he played. He went down to 1038 00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:35,240 Speaker 1: about the one seventy eight range. We wound up getting 1039 00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:38,560 Speaker 1: down to come to the cafeteria. There you go, come 1040 00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:42,719 Speaker 1: to the cafeteria and stock up and should be exactly 1041 00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:45,439 Speaker 1: in real good position by the way they feed people 1042 00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:49,160 Speaker 1: really well around here. So yes, the nutrition value is 1043 00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:51,720 Speaker 1: not a shortcoming. So I don't think they have anything 1044 00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:53,880 Speaker 1: to worry about. But you know, also you had, you know, 1045 00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:55,960 Speaker 1: the last color point out where they have young guys 1046 00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:58,400 Speaker 1: like Grant Haley. I think any coach will tell you, Jeff, 1047 00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:01,160 Speaker 1: the volume of number is a good thing, it's not 1048 00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:03,520 Speaker 1: a bad thing. Especially when you don't really know what's 1049 00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:05,560 Speaker 1: going to become of your secondary. You might as well 1050 00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:07,520 Speaker 1: bring in a number of young guys, let him battle out, 1051 00:56:07,560 --> 00:57:02,000 Speaker 1: and let's think. Do I think they they feel like 1052 00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:04,839 Speaker 1: they've got a second chance here, um, and I think 1053 00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:06,880 Speaker 1: they're both very good players. And I'm looking for a 1054 00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:10,120 Speaker 1: weig things out of Eli Apple this year. Maybe he's 1055 00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:13,160 Speaker 1: grown up a little bit um in the coaching staff 1056 00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:17,280 Speaker 1: and things like that. Well, and it's old new coaches, 1057 00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:20,320 Speaker 1: so it's a fresh slate, as Pat Shermer and Kabe 1058 00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:22,120 Speaker 1: the gentlemen have preached. And if you re Lap, I 1059 00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:24,240 Speaker 1: don't think you did. Thats for a better opportunity because 1060 00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:27,320 Speaker 1: anything that happened last these coaches weren't around for them yet, 1061 00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:31,120 Speaker 1: you know, And really we don't know behind the scene 1062 00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:32,880 Speaker 1: with the bay Apple, a lot of stuff going on. 1063 00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:35,960 Speaker 1: He's you know, mother was sick last years. Just a 1064 00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:38,320 Speaker 1: lot of things you know that happened. And each of 1065 00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:41,800 Speaker 1: us are are different. Everybody's different, and everybody reacts differently 1066 00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:44,080 Speaker 1: to certain fights of stress in their life and things 1067 00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:47,200 Speaker 1: like that. And um, you know, now hopefully for those 1068 00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:49,960 Speaker 1: things that work were bothering him last year are okay, 1069 00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:53,120 Speaker 1: and then they maybe they directed themselves and people are 1070 00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:55,600 Speaker 1: getting better and he's now got you know that Laser. 1071 00:57:55,680 --> 00:58:00,120 Speaker 1: I focuses his coach conferences. Stevie I focused, Steely m 1072 00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:34,960 Speaker 1: out and we will be well underway. In terms of 1073 00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:37,040 Speaker 1: putting the pads on and working out. Well, one thing 1074 00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:38,760 Speaker 1: about this this is different. I mean in the past 1075 00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:41,120 Speaker 1: of rookies haven't come early. You know, there the whole 1076 00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:43,840 Speaker 1: teams and really what you do there is it's all 1077 00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:47,439 Speaker 1: about um installation. They the rookies get a little little 1078 00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:50,440 Speaker 1: head start on installing the playbook and they want to 1079 00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:52,680 Speaker 1: get them a little bit ahead ahead so when their 1080 00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:55,919 Speaker 1: veterans do come in, because when training camp, it goes quick. 1081 00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:58,360 Speaker 1: There's there's there's not a lot of time like in 1082 00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:01,080 Speaker 1: the off season. Now you're you have you have five 1083 00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:04,040 Speaker 1: weeks basically to get ready to that first game and 1084 00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:07,160 Speaker 1: you are just you're you're moving ahead. And what happens 1085 00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:10,240 Speaker 1: with a lot of these guys is their physical attributes 1086 00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:12,640 Speaker 1: are great on the field. And this is why there's 1087 00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:15,640 Speaker 1: so many, so many times when you see these guys 1088 00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:17,640 Speaker 1: go out and they get graded and they and they 1089 00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:19,960 Speaker 1: have the interviews and they ask coaches about this and 1090 00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:23,560 Speaker 1: that and there, and not only that, that stupid wonder 1091 00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:26,080 Speaker 1: lick tests and all the things. This is what it's 1092 00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:28,280 Speaker 1: all about. When you get the training camp, Okay, the 1093 00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:30,160 Speaker 1: A T A S and the and the mini camps, 1094 00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:32,560 Speaker 1: when the rookie guys are here, they learn a little bit, 1095 00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:35,640 Speaker 1: but man, it is accelerated process. When you get to camp, 1096 00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:38,800 Speaker 1: learning that playbook and going and going, they pass you over. 1097 00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:43,400 Speaker 1: It's like you gotta get a tutor. I mean, because 1098 00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:46,320 Speaker 1: if you fall behind, Okay, you might be able to 1099 00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:49,320 Speaker 1: be really good on the on the field athletically and physically, 1100 00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:52,520 Speaker 1: but if you're falling behind schematically and you can't understand things, 1101 00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:55,200 Speaker 1: you're not going to step on the field. Because I'll 1102 00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:57,240 Speaker 1: tell you one thing, and I could ask a hundred 1103 00:59:57,240 --> 00:59:59,880 Speaker 1: coaches and a hundred would say to me, I will 1104 01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:03,160 Speaker 1: take a smart football player over a dumb football player 1105 01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:07,000 Speaker 1: any day of the week. Well, because if you don't 1106 01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:09,040 Speaker 1: know the plays, Jeff, you're also a liability to the 1107 01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:12,000 Speaker 1: rest of your team. There's absolutely no question, you know what, 1108 01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:14,080 Speaker 1: I Am not going to put you on the field, 1109 01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:16,520 Speaker 1: LANs if you don't understand the coverage is and how 1110 01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:20,040 Speaker 1: to run routes and you know what these I'm not 1111 01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:21,880 Speaker 1: You're not going to go on there. I don't care 1112 01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:24,439 Speaker 1: how good you are, because the ultimately you're gonna cost 1113 01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:29,400 Speaker 1: us either a play, a game, something. So next week 1114 01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:32,760 Speaker 1: to be up and running here Monday once again with 1115 01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:35,800 Speaker 1: the latest edition a big Blue Kickoff Live. Certainly appreciate 1116 01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:39,320 Speaker 1: everybody for tuning in. Enjoy your weekend for Jeff Eagles. 1117 01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:41,640 Speaker 1: I'm Lance Meadows week. We will speak to you next 1118 01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:43,480 Speaker 1: week right here on giants dot Com. I'm going