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Speaker 1: star rating the comment Okay, gee, this guess that we
Speaker 1: have on today means so much to us. I'm not
Speaker 1: even gonna do the normal intro show Man one of
Speaker 1: my favorite rappers, if not my favorite rapper of all time.
Speaker 1: The doc Hey yeah, we got one of the greatest
Speaker 1: of all time on here, the doc What's happening with you?
Speaker 2: Bro?
Speaker 3: Man, I'm blessed to be stressed, can float up, you know,
Speaker 3: ide on the West West, working with my guys I
Speaker 3: on some new material and really just blessed to be here.
Speaker 2: Shit makes me my just hearing you say that.
Speaker 4: You know, thirty years ago the Chronic came out, So
Speaker 4: to have y'all back together working on music, man, And
Speaker 4: when the first Chronic came out, I was eleven years old,
Speaker 4: and I'll never forget what it felt like, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean.
Speaker 2: So to hear to see pictures.
Speaker 4: Of y'all in the studio creating hip hop, not abandoning
Speaker 4: the space, you know what I mean? Because I realized
Speaker 4: as you get older, you start to you know, typically
Speaker 4: people are abandoning the space.
Speaker 2: And it's not fair.
Speaker 4: Because these white kids, they grew up to Aerosmith and
Speaker 4: they get Aerosmith they whole life. So why should I
Speaker 4: not get Doc Dre and Snoop my whole life?
Speaker 2: I feel like, with all due respect, it's old to me.
Speaker 3: You know, absolutely, it's a pocket that you know, some
Speaker 3: motherfuckers are comfortable in that pocket, and you gotta gotta
Speaker 3: ferry them too, you know what I mean? Like those
Speaker 3: are those are the people you came to the party with.
Speaker 3: You gotta gotta think about them. But from being back
Speaker 3: into lab with the dog and Dre, it really feel
Speaker 3: it really feel like like if it wouldn't have been
Speaker 3: an interruption in the programming, it feels like this would
Speaker 3: have been Snoop's next step. That's what it sounded like.
Speaker 3: You I mean, dude is elevating and it's I you know,
Speaker 3: I don't want to get out off and do it
Speaker 3: because you know, I dread. But the shit is really good.
Speaker 4: No question, we already know it's brilliant. It just warms
Speaker 4: my heart, man, And I don't want to focus on
Speaker 4: that right the new material because the new material is
Speaker 4: going to be the exploration itself.
Speaker 2: And I can't wait to see where y'all at.
Speaker 4: But just journeying back to the times that you guys
Speaker 4: united for small ideas, right, whether it's Boss is life,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, or that's that and certain ideas.
Speaker 2: You knew always what it could have.
Speaker 4: Been, And you said something that that kind of made
Speaker 4: me think, like what would have happened if there were
Speaker 4: no interruptions at that time of the greatest renaissance in
Speaker 4: all of arts? You know what I'm saying, Right around
Speaker 4: the time of the Chronic and Doggie Staff, if there
Speaker 4: was no interruptions. But I feel the same way of
Speaker 4: the interruption of you know, after no one does it better,
Speaker 4: no one, you know what I mean. It's it's way
Speaker 4: too much power, you know what I mean? Like the
Speaker 4: things you guys were creating were I've literally been on
Speaker 4: record explaining to a somebody that has a bachelor's in art,
Speaker 4: why that is the greatest renaissance of all art that era,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean?
Speaker 5: Because but it goes with the Golden era. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and like y'all records are as popular as the
Speaker 4: Mona Lisa. That's really important, and it don't seem and
Speaker 4: me and you have conversations and texts and ideas, and
Speaker 4: sometimes when I listen to you or Drake talk, when
Speaker 4: I talk to y'all separately, I don't think y'all see
Speaker 4: it that way. Like this shit is the Mona Lisa
Speaker 4: to the world now, like how it was to them
Speaker 4: then that was they like this is the Mona Lisa
Speaker 4: today And look at Snoop like like.
Speaker 2: Yo, it's the super Bowl.
Speaker 4: Like y'all took a culture of guys right who was abandoned,
Speaker 4: and you know, the.
Speaker 2: World turned it back on and you culturally.
Speaker 4: Created a soundtrack to where people had insight, to where
Speaker 4: people could help or harm. Yeah, So that type of
Speaker 4: artistic renaissance would never get the true credit. I mean
Speaker 4: you can see now at this point, you know, the
Speaker 4: White House is entering it into you know, whatever they
Speaker 4: little haul, they little their way.
Speaker 2: Behind, you know, they always behind. So they entered it
Speaker 2: into you know, the records or whatever they call it.
Speaker 2: But it's hilarious to see.
Speaker 4: Such a renaissance, you know, and it took so long
Speaker 4: for people to accept it at the highest level. But
Speaker 4: now when you you know again, like I say, four
Speaker 4: or five months ago, y'all at the Super Bowl.
Speaker 5: Yeah, bro, Uh, it came a long way, you know
Speaker 5: what I mean. But it's still.
Speaker 3: It's still a guarded space, you know what I mean. Like, uh,
Speaker 3: the gatekeepers are really high up, and it's really difficult
Speaker 3: to kick open doors, you know what I mean, these days.
Speaker 5: But you got to keep.
Speaker 3: Pushing the line, you know what I mean, because I mean,
Speaker 3: if it ain't for us, who the fuck is it fun?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 3: But being able to get back in a situation where
Speaker 3: I can really put some energy into people that I love,
Speaker 3: it's always a beautiful thing because I've always felt like
Speaker 3: when when they win, it's really the same as me winning,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. So as most as I
Speaker 3: can get through it, I'm cool with that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And you know, Doc, I want to take it
Speaker 1: back to something you just said, and I think it's
Speaker 1: important that this is ours. That's why it's important that
Speaker 1: you guys get together, whether it be every other decade,
Speaker 1: once a decade or whatever, to do what y'all do,
Speaker 1: because it's almost like giving the reminder to the culture, like,
Speaker 1: don't get it twisted. We still here and can smash
Speaker 1: all the time we want to. And I want to
Speaker 1: get back to the beginning because without the past, you
Speaker 1: don't have a future, right. I want to go back,
Speaker 1: and I've never heard this done before. One thing we'd
Speaker 1: like to do is have conversations versus doing interviews, because interviews,
Speaker 1: to me, is current. I means you both think that way.
Speaker 1: We have to have a conversation with you. When did
Speaker 1: you first meet DREH.
Speaker 3: I met dre and Dallas. He knew this dude named
Speaker 3: doctor Royer and Dr Rob was helping those guys, you know,
Speaker 3: blow blow their music up and whether it was world
Speaker 3: class but the crew or the real early and WA stuff,
Speaker 3: and it was the real early NWA stuff, namely boy
Speaker 3: in a hood that brought brought those guys to Dallas,
Speaker 3: and Uh and me and Drag just kind of hit
Speaker 3: it off, you know, and he said he's gonna produce
Speaker 3: some records for that guy that he knew, and he
Speaker 3: ended up producing a few records for him, and we just,
Speaker 3: you know, struck up a friendship and it seemed like
Speaker 3: I seemed to seem like we just clicked you know,
Speaker 3: and he was like, man, if he was on West Coast,
Speaker 3: we'd be rich. And I was like, shit, okay, let's go.
Speaker 5: You know. That sounds good to me, you know, and
Speaker 5: the rest is.
Speaker 4: Just so better question, better question, beg, bro, what was
Speaker 4: the hip hop scene like in Dallas? Dallas is one
Speaker 4: of those places, you know, since I've been in the industry,
Speaker 4: I've been able to go there enough times, you know,
Speaker 4: shout out to all my good people, to no cliffs,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, straight up old nine. But
Speaker 4: there's always been this burgeoning scene. To me, even right now,
Speaker 4: they've always moved their own way. That's one of the
Speaker 4: few places to me culturally that has never been tapped.
Speaker 2: You know. You see a lot of people wearing.
Speaker 4: Shags, you see a lot of their style, the fashion
Speaker 4: get down, you know, you see that answer.
Speaker 2: You see some parts of it.
Speaker 4: But Dallas as a whole, the culture has never been
Speaker 4: really given a proper shot.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. What was the hip hop
Speaker 2: scene like in Dallas at that time?
Speaker 3: It was a lot like it is now. No, Mom,
Speaker 3: Dallas just they haven't figured out that you can't make
Speaker 3: it by yourself, like like you.
Speaker 5: Have to have a.
Speaker 3: You have to have a community, you have to have
Speaker 3: a movement, movement in order for things to move. There's
Speaker 3: not gonna be just one guy that carries nothing on
Speaker 3: one group that I said that pop say, I'm doing
Speaker 3: this for the city. You can't by yourself. It is
Speaker 3: we gotta do it for the city. You can't do it.
Speaker 5: If I couldn't do it, it can't be done to
Speaker 5: shame shame man knowing the phrase.
Speaker 3: But the cool party is they've always been in a
Speaker 3: really good spot because that was Forth Texas full of
Speaker 3: really great musician and really supremely talented artists.
Speaker 5: The Mouther Thumpers are there. They just have figured out
Speaker 5: out of.
Speaker 2: I listen to so much underground Dallas music right.
Speaker 4: Now, and you're right, Like I think about being a
Speaker 4: child and then now as I you know, but then
Speaker 4: I get the blessing to be able to call you
Speaker 4: called Drake. Karl Schloop asked questions. But I'm thinking about
Speaker 4: it like you're right. When I think about what happened
Speaker 4: for La it wasn't just nu Way.
Speaker 2: It's ice Tea to some degree.
Speaker 4: So you have the things happening in sitting right with
Speaker 4: Spade and Tea and all of the the rappers, rap
Speaker 4: disco companies. You know, you have the things happening, but
Speaker 4: then you have compass most warning, unknown Ice, tea unknown, NWA.
Speaker 2: You'll see. So you're right, it was a lot of
Speaker 2: different things. So I get exactly what you're saying when
Speaker 2: you say that.
Speaker 3: So it was it was a moment a time with
Speaker 3: the movement. Shows that I remember it was w A
Speaker 3: Ice were doing shows together way back when it wasn't
Speaker 3: on West coast per se, on the national level. All
Speaker 3: these guys was together pushing the.
Speaker 5: Same way and this is the home.
Speaker 3: Of Gang Bang and it was blood niggas. Ain't cuse
Speaker 3: niggas off pushing the same line ty to get the
Speaker 3: movement started, you know, I mean they they're not ready
Speaker 3: to do that in Dallas, shil they so they call
Speaker 3: the ass end of the Bang the band, so they
Speaker 3: don't understand the killing party. They don't understand the building.
Speaker 3: You get some money and you don't want to dubage that,
Speaker 3: damn no, like you're not. Nobody's been on man like that.
Speaker 5: The money that would be coming in to serve you
Speaker 5: ain't gonna come because scared of them.
Speaker 4: M h who if you have to pick one Dallas record, right,
Speaker 4: And it's funny because I wouldn't want to talk about
Speaker 4: Dallas record.
Speaker 2: You have to pick what's your favorite Dallas record? From
Speaker 2: a Dallas hip hop artist? Me?
Speaker 4: Yeah you yeah, okay, okay, still give me a give
Speaker 4: me outside of outside of outside of uh oh gee,
Speaker 4: what's your favorite Dallas record?
Speaker 5: Like as uh.
Speaker 3: There was a group when I first got you him.
Speaker 3: They was called uh Genocide right wow, a guy named
Speaker 3: six two and a guy named El Dog and that
Speaker 3: an album called Waste of a Color.
Speaker 5: And they was these was black gorillas, you know what
Speaker 5: I mean.
Speaker 3: But and they was banging and then trapping or whatever
Speaker 3: you want to call it. But they had they still
Speaker 3: had the black fist, like you got, like that pick
Speaker 3: on your head. They still had that in their heart,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. And so even though the
Speaker 3: music was dirty, they had that underlying theme that pulled
Speaker 3: pulled motherfuckers together and really outside of you know, it's
Speaker 3: a lot of them down there. Brou a guy named
Speaker 3: Big Ally's son is name like Kim And that's a
Speaker 3: really cool young dude from uh from from funky Town
Speaker 3: that's dope as fuck. There's a a trio guy's names, a.
Speaker 5: Lot of them down there.
Speaker 4: Man Old Dallas as Old Dallaga. Old Dallas Ass Nigga
Speaker 4: by Tom Tom is my favorite non doc Dallas record.
Speaker 4: And it's crazy to me, right because it makes me
Speaker 4: feel like a Dallas nigga. Like when you find records,
Speaker 4: it's like I could imagine how people feel when they
Speaker 4: first heard Straight out of Counten. That's the vibes I
Speaker 4: get when I hear Old Dallas Ass Nigga by Tom Tung.
Speaker 4: And it's crazy because you think of Aero Spence, right,
Speaker 4: He's having all his success as a boxer, you know,
Speaker 4: and you know the Mavericks, you know, the success and
Speaker 4: that culture of Dallas is so glow like it's so natural.
Speaker 2: You see it. Rappers from all around the country, rock
Speaker 2: shats like you see the effect.
Speaker 4: So I'm just hoping that eventually they figure it out,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: That book, But were southern city too, you know, like, uh,
Speaker 3: Dallas when it is progressive, there's a lot of other
Speaker 3: places in the country, so you know, it's still locks
Speaker 3: on some of the doors down there. Then they haven't
Speaker 3: gotten into hip hop on a commercial level yet, you know.
Speaker 3: But when I'm releasing this documentary, I'm hoping I'll be
Speaker 3: able to open a few of those.
Speaker 5: Kind of doors and.
Speaker 3: Let folks in Dallas seated that there's money in hip
Speaker 3: hop and it's a way that we can go back
Speaker 3: in and maybe think some of the problems we have
Speaker 3: in the community ourselves use the hip hop as a tool.
Speaker 1: H Yeah, you know, I want to go back. You
Speaker 1: keep trying to take it to the now. I want
Speaker 1: to go back some more because I want to know
Speaker 1: how you was feeling, man, you know you with n
Speaker 1: w A. Now y'all took off, right, and I just
Speaker 1: came out here to California, so that my arrival kind
Speaker 1: of coincided with what you're releasing, right, because I came
Speaker 1: out here in eighty seven, late eighty seven, right, and
Speaker 1: y'allly just started a bubbling. I actually remember easy In
Speaker 1: them selling them tapes and see these up at the
Speaker 1: albums up at the conference waping me.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: There wasn't no CDs back then. Yeah, it was cossetts
Speaker 1: and albums, yeah, real vinyl, Right, So I remember that,
Speaker 1: you know, I remember the moments. How did you feel, man,
Speaker 1: when all the stuff started happening? When when after police,
Speaker 1: when the government just really started attacking gangs.
Speaker 2: The record that scared you.
Speaker 3: In it, not really, you know, because uh, you know,
Speaker 3: I didn't know. We didn't know what they hell, we
Speaker 3: don't know. We were just making records, man, Like we
Speaker 3: didn't know that they could come put us in jail.
Speaker 3: And no shit, man, I wasn't tripping on none of
Speaker 3: that shit.
Speaker 5: I was.
Speaker 3: I was really just working my ass off trying to
Speaker 3: get to my turn, you.
Speaker 5: Know what I mean. Like I'd ran through a wall
Speaker 5: with the motherfuckers just to get to my turn.
Speaker 1: You know, I feel you, man. And this leads up
Speaker 1: to my next question. Your first album, which, for the
Speaker 1: sake of argument, could be one of the best albums
Speaker 1: in the history of hip hop. Yeah, could be one
Speaker 1: of the I just want to know. Do you remember, man,
Speaker 1: when you guys recorded the grand Finale, was y'all in
Speaker 1: the same room?
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that was.
Speaker 3: Everybody was there that day, and everybody was in the
Speaker 3: studio that day. That was the last song.
Speaker 5: It was right before it was.
Speaker 3: Sent to do this turn out of confer tour, and
Speaker 3: everybody was there and Arabian Prince, everybody was in there
Speaker 3: that day and.
Speaker 5: We just killed it, you.
Speaker 1: Know, was y'all all writing y'all verses together, Like I
Speaker 1: just picture it was Cube in one corner writing his
Speaker 1: verse because you were in another corner writing your verse.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I wrote up my verse and easiest verse and laid down,
Speaker 3: but n lady Is. Then I laid mine and Q
Speaker 3: came late that day, lady Is, and I laid Erikson.
Speaker 3: When I lady Is, I wouldn't roll mine over.
Speaker 1: For.
Speaker 2: That's what I was gonna ask.
Speaker 1: Anybody write some verses over because you and Cube at
Speaker 1: that time. See people, I think, see these younger generation.
Speaker 1: They killed no ice Cube as Craig for Friday, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, and all that other stuff. I remember ice
Speaker 1: Cube the Bitch Killer. That's ice Cube by no you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. That's ice Cube oy no Vinnix
Speaker 1: ice Cube. When y'all got in there. You remember how
Speaker 1: we used to watch the Karate movies when he was
Speaker 1: little and you had Bruce Lee versus on like when
Speaker 1: Bruce Lee forward Kareem ab duke jabbar everybody. That's what
Speaker 1: it was with you and Q. It was like seeing
Speaker 1: the Ring and Bruce Lee fight and it was like,
Speaker 1: oh man, you kicked you know, you kick Cube in
Speaker 1: the chest. He got back up to kick you in
Speaker 1: the chest, and it was just like, man, you do
Speaker 1: those was definitely it was a rewind moment in hip hop.
Speaker 3: Yeah man, we was having a glass with that ship.
Speaker 3: We were definitely fighting, you know what.
Speaker 5: I man?
Speaker 3: Uh, but that's how to get better. It was it
Speaker 3: was respect. It wasn't ego, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: I knew I couldn't. I couldn't compete with Cube, Like
Speaker 3: what was I just ain't got that that level of
Speaker 3: a bar you know what I mean to do dangsty
Speaker 3: ship like that, it's not gonna come out. So I
Speaker 3: I gotta go out of my way to make my
Speaker 3: shit extra clever or funny or use some sort of
Speaker 3: caters that they that they not with just the stylized mind,
Speaker 3: so I can compete with that dude.
Speaker 2: But that's greatness though, because the way you came in broke.
Speaker 1: With the swing and singing the brand new songs to
Speaker 1: the rhythm to talk, and it was just like I
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, my.
Speaker 2: God, what inspired y'all to do that? Posse cut? Was
Speaker 2: posse cuts a thing at that time?
Speaker 5: No, I think.
Speaker 3: That's just because we was all together making a record.
Speaker 3: Now we had did I Want of Discretion is Advised
Speaker 3: on Day record, which is basically the same thing. And
Speaker 3: then before that one, it was the Symphony, those those
Speaker 3: kind of records for the cruise Jump On and everybody
Speaker 3: do that thing was already I was already.
Speaker 5: Out there in space. So uh. But what we did mine,
Speaker 5: I was just happy to lose at the last record.
Speaker 2: That's amazing. That's an amazing story.
Speaker 1: And it was the perfect album in many ways, man,
Speaker 1: because I remember driving from Los Angeles listening to Mexico
Speaker 1: and we had that album on repeat. It was like
Speaker 1: literally like you know how to TAKEE you to just
Speaker 1: turn over back? Then it was just on repeat, man,
Speaker 1: and it was probably Gee, I think it's the greatest
Speaker 1: album of all time.
Speaker 5: E hip.
Speaker 3: I got a simular story, bro, yeah, he said, uh,
Speaker 3: he said.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 3: He was leaving Arizona, going to the East Coast to
Speaker 3: get away from something and all he had was no
Speaker 3: one could do better on a walkman on a bus
Speaker 3: he said, he listened to that tape, oh bus ride there,
Speaker 3: and he knew every freaking word every month from a
Speaker 3: syllable of that record. And I respect that, man. I
Speaker 3: appreciate that because I mean, I was trying to give
Speaker 3: everything I had in that moment in time.
Speaker 4: Here's a question, what if you had to give credit
Speaker 4: to two MC's that was the biggest inspiration of DC style, right,
Speaker 4: because I think your style is really hard, Like I
Speaker 4: can't compare it to anybody's and that's honest. Like I
Speaker 4: can hear where my stuff comes from, but I can't
Speaker 4: hear where yours come from. What would the two mcs
Speaker 4: be that you would feel worre that you feel like
Speaker 4: you took that style and made yours.
Speaker 3: It's really four of them run Slick Red Krs one
Speaker 3: to Rock Kim, all of those guys. I used a
Speaker 3: little bit of each one of those guys, to be honest.
Speaker 2: So the rhythm is just that Southern route.
Speaker 4: Some of it is, yeah, because the way you would
Speaker 4: stylize the rhythms, like you never could hear like I
Speaker 4: would hear Rock Kim yeah your stuff, and I couldn't
Speaker 4: like the way you would slide on the record, Like
Speaker 4: how I hear all my young parties be like, yeah.
Speaker 2: I'm sliding, and I'm like, yeah, this is sliding yeah
Speaker 2: with me.
Speaker 4: So you're like the first hip hop artist that was
Speaker 4: sliding on music like that. Everybody else was focused on
Speaker 4: the words or they flow, margin and margin, but yours
Speaker 4: became like almost like it was a snake.
Speaker 2: Like he could just do these weird kind of ins
Speaker 2: and outs.
Speaker 4: And that that that album is not used enough by mcs.
Speaker 1: Right now, it is Joe, it is g I'm gonna
Speaker 1: tell you, the Midwest almost made a whole new sub
Speaker 1: genre just off of DC style. DC is the precursor
Speaker 1: to Bone Thugs, Harmony style. He's the precursor to Twister.
Speaker 1: He's the precursor to a whole bunch of guys, and
Speaker 1: the guys the Midwest really gravitated to it. And I
Speaker 1: know that because I'm a Midwest dude. Until you heard DC,
Speaker 1: like you said, he wasn't going to march to march.
Speaker 1: He was almost stuttering stepping like he was, you know,
Speaker 1: chopping his feet. I said, man, he was really doing
Speaker 1: you know, he had to display of verbal gymnastics going
Speaker 1: on to where at that time it was unfairly wasn't
Speaker 1: nobody else rapping like that?
Speaker 3: That was stud of stepping. That's what that's what that's
Speaker 3: what I turned it back in those days. But it's
Speaker 3: really just an expansion of some technique that I heard
Speaker 3: a guy named just Ice Hues. I just expanded it
Speaker 3: and switched the cadence around during it, like he did
Speaker 3: a thank card. He had a thank call. Was the
Speaker 3: name of that fucking record? I forget what the name
Speaker 3: of the brother it is? He said, look at the littles,
Speaker 3: just what I do whenever I get excited. And so
Speaker 3: I just kept that going as long as I could
Speaker 3: do it. And you couldn't do it the same way.
Speaker 3: Otherwise you wouldn't have the room to breathe. So it
Speaker 3: forced you to dance with it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: And then then it kind of created it created itself,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know what I noticed. G All the
Speaker 1: greatest rappers would tell you that they're not the greatest,
Speaker 1: like I said them here. When I interviewed Starface, one
Speaker 1: of my faceapers, right, he gave q the same admiration
Speaker 1: that you gave him.
Speaker 2: He said.
Speaker 1: When I said, Brad, you're the baddest mother for everyone
Speaker 1: to come to that gags stuff, he said, no, he
Speaker 1: got mad at me. No, don't say that, q O
Speaker 1: Shak Jackson. He's the greatest, and you just gave it
Speaker 1: up to him. So I guess Q gotta be in
Speaker 1: some regards between him and Snoop as the greatest gangster
Speaker 1: rappers ever of all time.
Speaker 3: No, but no question you're talking about he's talking about
Speaker 3: two different categories.
Speaker 2: And yeah, yeah, thank you is the concrete is the
Speaker 2: black and with attitude.
Speaker 3: Yeah it's Snoop is. Yeah, it's what they call it. Well,
Speaker 3: well World War the mac though and pick up all
Speaker 3: his bowels.
Speaker 5: That's that's Snoop. That's that's Snoop.
Speaker 2: But yeah, that's two different.
Speaker 4: It is and and and and that's what people don't
Speaker 4: understand about this culture, like it's been relegated to just
Speaker 4: violence versus the type of people I saw my whole life.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean where it was.
Speaker 4: It just represented people that was gonna earn a life
Speaker 4: and create a life better for themselves at all costs.
Speaker 4: And I hate it's been relegated to just ignorance and
Speaker 4: doing dope. It's just it's way more than that. And
Speaker 4: so I and I was blessed to grow up under
Speaker 4: the stuff y'all was doing, and I got to see
Speaker 4: all of it in the streets through the music. You know,
Speaker 4: it wasn't just one type of gangster. It wasn't just
Speaker 4: some ignorant person just saying something. It was like, you
Speaker 4: could have Cube with that fist and that attitude, and
Speaker 4: I could have Dot with that pizazz, and I could
Speaker 4: have Eric, and I could have Snoop and you know,
Speaker 4: you could see that it can be so many different things.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not it's never just not nothing mean, it's
Speaker 3: right now. Wow, it's a purpose for it, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean. So that's the difference between what these
Speaker 3: niggas is doing now and what he was doing then.
Speaker 3: There was that was a purpose, kid. He was trying
Speaker 3: to show you a better.
Speaker 5: Way, not the way.
Speaker 4: Is there a moment? When was the moment, if there
Speaker 4: is one, When was the moment that you knew like,
Speaker 4: all right, this is going to be crazy?
Speaker 2: How how far is that alone? And the journey from
Speaker 2: meeting Dre.
Speaker 4: And Dallas too even Doggy Style, Where where in between
Speaker 4: that time did you know like, oh, yeah, this is
Speaker 4: gonna be bigger than anything that's ever happened before.
Speaker 2: That's the question.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's got being pretty fast, you know, like once
Speaker 3: you did once we did the We Want Easy record,
Speaker 3: it took about two weeks, man, and then then that
Speaker 3: shit was everywhere, and you just knew did we go?
Speaker 3: You know that it was the first video to a
Speaker 3: shot and uh, the world fell in love with that song.
Speaker 3: And it was really young after that. As far as
Speaker 3: myself personally, when I did Doctor the Doctor, well really
Speaker 3: all those records, man, because it was.
Speaker 5: It was twelve songs.
Speaker 3: I think on that album only did thirteen records, dre
Speaker 3: and I only did.
Speaker 5: We've only done thirteen records together. That's it, you know
Speaker 5: what I.
Speaker 2: Mean, really think about.
Speaker 3: It, oh man and whatever up on that record. And
Speaker 3: so but I did Let the Base Go and WorldWind
Speaker 3: Pyramid six months before I even got to California. Before
Speaker 3: I moved back to California, I did those two records
Speaker 3: as demos and easies mother's garage and didn't come back
Speaker 3: to those to even touch him to put on the
Speaker 3: record until almost a year later. You know what, man,
Speaker 3: So I kind of knew I was good and me
Speaker 3: and Trey together was really good. So when I did
Speaker 3: In the Doctor in the studio, bro.
Speaker 5: That shit was so loud, it.
Speaker 2: Was so noisy.
Speaker 3: I could just feel like, man, man, I'm ta or
Speaker 3: I knew I did that, brother, because because face was
Speaker 3: the pain in and when that motherfucker went forth and
Speaker 3: this boys on top of that shit, you had to
Speaker 3: move the.
Speaker 5: Fuck out the way and let me do what I'm doing.
Speaker 1: Real you know, you just mentioned Easy Man, and I
Speaker 1: swear Easy don't get enough credit for what he's done
Speaker 1: for hip hop. You know what I'm saying. I don't
Speaker 1: think Eric Right get the justice. You know, he's done
Speaker 1: a lot of great stuff for a lot of people,
Speaker 1: just for hip hop in general. Man and Right, how
Speaker 1: was it dealing with Eric Man? Because everybody got to
Speaker 1: know the new Easy They got a bunch of different stories.
Speaker 1: They say, one of the funniest people he ever met,
Speaker 1: man whoever met? And they said that Easy would do
Speaker 1: stuff just to freak you out. What was the craziest
Speaker 1: thing you ever saw? Easy Dodog.
Speaker 5: Veric's a good dude. Man ever was a good guy.
Speaker 2: He was.
Speaker 3: No nonsense. Somebody's business, you know what I'm saying, Yeah,
Speaker 3: his business and was black, I mean scarlet like it is.
Speaker 5: This dude was blessed enough to pull.
Speaker 3: Three or four some of the best that the West
Speaker 3: would produced and put them cats in the same room
Speaker 3: together to make a record.
Speaker 5: And that's a blessing. Nobody's been able to do nothing
Speaker 5: like that since. And he is blessed enough to have.
Speaker 3: For Drada be in his corner like that, because drags
Speaker 3: the cornerstone to all of this shit like it exists
Speaker 3: without that dude.
Speaker 5: It all goes through his blessing, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: We got blessed because he got a gift, and so
Speaker 3: easy was blessed enough to have that guy on his
Speaker 3: team and have a Cube on his team, and they
Speaker 3: have Doc on his team, and I ran on his
Speaker 3: team like you can't lose like that. I mean, you
Speaker 3: got that, you got everything.
Speaker 4: Now, fast forwarded to the documentary the doc right. I
Speaker 4: remember when y'all was working on it. I came to
Speaker 4: a snoop studio. Y'all was shooting ideas if there was
Speaker 4: something that was tough to revisit when y'all was working
Speaker 4: on the Dock documentary, what was the toughest thing to
Speaker 4: revisit about that whole journey?
Speaker 2: Your whole journey period so far?
Speaker 5: Man, Look, none of that shit was tough to let
Speaker 5: go of. I was. I was thinking God to be
Speaker 5: able to let go of that goddamn pain.
Speaker 3: I didn't want that no more. I'm tired of stuff
Speaker 3: from behind that shit. I'm ready to let that shit go.
Speaker 3: And really that's what that's what the documentary is showing
Speaker 3: you seeing the old laughin in the hell in front
Speaker 3: of the whole world and as dope as fuck, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean. And I still got battles to
Speaker 3: fight with in this industry because I'm a maverick, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean. I don't belong to nobody, and
Speaker 3: so I'm not getting nobody, motherfucking ass to do nothing.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna let Yod drive this car, you know, and
Speaker 3: wherever he's driving that, I'm going because all the reason
Speaker 3: they putting me back into life is because it's something
Speaker 3: he wanted me to do, and so I'm doing that
Speaker 3: for all the other shit.
Speaker 1: I feel you, man, Together the.
Speaker 4: Whole journey of this documentary, it actually ended up becoming
Speaker 4: healing for you.
Speaker 2: That's the that's the reality of it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, man, I'm.
Speaker 2: Excited to see it.
Speaker 4: Man, I didn't see I got offered to see parts
Speaker 4: as y'all was working on. Like now, I need to
Speaker 4: see it all together. It's like hearing, like hearing a song,
Speaker 4: you can never really get it like I needed to hear.
Speaker 4: No one does it better, and it's it's weird because
Speaker 4: I was on Still about this and I emailed Dre
Speaker 4: about this, like we don't do a great enough job,
Speaker 4: you know, especially doctor Dredge brilliant and production of celebrating
Speaker 4: all of these artistic contributions. This documentary. I'm sure you
Speaker 4: know it's gonna be stellar. People gonna lose their mind.
Speaker 4: But I think it's time to start having those conversations
Speaker 4: about those albums. No one, No one does it better
Speaker 4: than a doggy style of chronic. These are the documentaries
Speaker 4: we're not doing a great job of presenting. Like when
Speaker 4: we get mad at all, I tell Snoop. I remember
Speaker 4: talking with Snoop and telling me like, y'all so mad
Speaker 4: that we don't know nothing, but y'all don't tell us nothing.
Speaker 4: Like if I didn't have Olivia Rest in Peace.
Speaker 2: My mom, I wouldn't know who doc is. And she
Speaker 2: gave me the She's like, YO, listen to this, this, dude?
Speaker 5: Is it?
Speaker 4: So if I'm not passing on y'all experiences, you know,
Speaker 4: I have to pass on y'all.
Speaker 2: Experiences to all my young homes.
Speaker 4: Like whether it be Kendricks, I'm telling him stuff about
Speaker 4: y'all that he didn't know, you know.
Speaker 2: So I think we have to do a lot better.
Speaker 4: So that's why I'm really glad you got you sat
Speaker 4: down and found face to do this documentary because people
Speaker 4: need to know what you what you've been through, and
Speaker 4: what actually they can do it. If you see what
Speaker 4: somebody can do, that's the easiest way to aspire.
Speaker 2: They can see it. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Boy, I tell you, I tell them like this. It's
Speaker 3: it's I'm thankful and grateful for it, no question about it.
Speaker 5: But it's a g O D thing. It's not a
Speaker 5: BOC thing.
Speaker 3: And and my mission is different from these other guys.
Speaker 1: He wouldn't back out, he had come back on probably
Speaker 1: got a phone called in.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, sorry about that. So my mix is different
Speaker 3: from these guys, bro, like I might face uh a
Speaker 3: hearder way in because it's God's shit, you know, man,
Speaker 3: the world is still in the world, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean. And the gay keepers a house in the air.
Speaker 3: But I'm a believer of my nigga. Jild said, you're
Speaker 3: gonna give it to him. So I've not already made
Speaker 3: the artist and it hasn't found a home yet, right,
Speaker 3: but every single person that is seen as them losing you, right,
Speaker 3: lose their fucking mind over.
Speaker 5: What they do.
Speaker 3: Why I was in I was in dry break up
Speaker 3: and had a two hundred movies. Motherfucker wrote in mind
Speaker 3: in the ten a two hundred families.
Speaker 4: My first shot at you is that really surprising those doctor?
Speaker 2: That should be a surprise that when do when do you?
Speaker 2: When do you realize? It's easy? It's so and it's
Speaker 2: fair because you were so.
Speaker 4: I feel like the way about Magic Johnson, Well you
Speaker 4: knew what it was when you saw, but you didn't
Speaker 4: see the whole progression of it, right, So again, your
Speaker 4: storytelling ability was never limited to what you could write
Speaker 4: and recite through the microphone.
Speaker 2: It's also what you could tell people.
Speaker 4: The three conversations I've had with you on just record
Speaker 4: writing has been just instrumental, Like it's important. So I
Speaker 4: really want you to keep pursuing this space of film,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, and the.
Speaker 2: Doc documentary No One does It Better, like these are.
Speaker 4: Important things for people to know your journey and also
Speaker 4: for you to keep artistically contributing. You know what I'm saying, like,
Speaker 4: because you're just as important as I mean, I don't
Speaker 4: got to tell you, because you know you're just as
Speaker 4: important to every project. All of these projects without them
Speaker 4: kind of they lose something that's really artistically brilliant.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and one thing that I want to land on
Speaker 1: something you just see. And this is the one thing
Speaker 1: that takes me pisses me off about the industry period.
Speaker 1: Somebody in one of these buildings should have been winning
Speaker 1: just cut this man in check and said, hey, we
Speaker 1: want you to run our whole rap department. It just
Speaker 1: makes too much sense, right, It's just too much like right,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying to where our artists man,
Speaker 1: And that's what pisses me off. It's like we almost
Speaker 1: havetion date from the time we come into the game.
Speaker 1: They put the expiration date onless. They say, Okay, at
Speaker 1: this time he's over with and they stopped dealing with it.
Speaker 1: When that's not the case because he's still as Brilliant's
Speaker 1: probably more brilliant now. You're probably more brilliant now than
Speaker 1: you were when you're in your twenties or something.
Speaker 3: Right, not more understanding, bro, lot more understanding. I realized
Speaker 3: I got I got less days in in front of
Speaker 3: me than I do behind. But Lepis Kid is what
Speaker 3: I'm on right now, right, and so what can I
Speaker 3: do that when I live, when I'm gone, I just
Speaker 3: want to they'll say he did that. And it's not
Speaker 3: about rap music. It's tomorrow black music. And I use
Speaker 3: that term loosely because what I really mean is unification
Speaker 3: of my people right to help these young boys in
Speaker 3: the hood understand that killing each other. I ain't the
Speaker 3: lit like. I want you to get that money. I
Speaker 3: want you to have it by any means necessary. But
Speaker 3: I want you to at least at least if you
Speaker 3: pointing to that at your brother, put that gun down
Speaker 3: now you hold onto it because you might need it,
Speaker 3: you know, with all that killing each other, that's some
Speaker 3: bullshit and we gotta deal with that shit by any means.
Speaker 3: And I mean that shit like and so that's that's
Speaker 3: what my art at and I got kild behind me.
Speaker 3: So I'm gonna take this documentary and this message and
Speaker 3: if I got to go sell twenty million tickets walking
Speaker 3: all over the world to make my twenty million out.
Speaker 5: Of Loto like that, oh no, take this message to
Speaker 5: the hood and make it do with a do no.
Speaker 1: Did you have expected release date for the documentary.
Speaker 5: Don't have a home yet. You know I got you know,
Speaker 5: you go to huh are you serious? Yeah? Yeah, you
Speaker 5: go to drive that the to uh you know, to.
Speaker 3: Premier the film, and then they they all get together
Speaker 3: in rooms and figure out, you know, it's gonna beat
Speaker 3: up domestic partner and streaming.
Speaker 5: It's gonna be the theatrical part in the world.
Speaker 3: And so some folks woun come to to the table,
Speaker 3: would offer a theatrical worldwide, which is not a bad deal,
Speaker 3: and some folks come with with domestic theatrical and so, uh,
Speaker 3: you know, it's going slow. Maybe they welcome it because
Speaker 3: they think I'm gonna get.
Speaker 5: But I'm not. The movie. Ain't mind anywhere it's done
Speaker 5: or whatever you need want.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I don't give a damn word where it
Speaker 3: come from, because I know sanity.
Speaker 5: You know what I mean exactly.
Speaker 2: I'm so excited about that doctor. Are you aware of statement? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 2: I already know.
Speaker 4: I already know the people that was working on they
Speaker 4: was people that was working on it was fired up.
Speaker 4: So I knew it was gonna respect when they called
Speaker 4: me because I had an hour long conversation with somebody
Speaker 4: specifically about you. So when they started to work and
Speaker 4: they couldn't wait to call me and tell me. So
Speaker 4: it's it's important, man that I'm so glad that you
Speaker 4: are consistently pursuing.
Speaker 2: Uh uh, giving us content.
Speaker 4: You know what I mean, not being limited by whatever's
Speaker 4: happening pass and understanding. There's so many more ways, man,
Speaker 4: it's so many more ways and your message and we
Speaker 4: talked about that probably over the phone, about where you
Speaker 4: at with the violence, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: So you have a lot of work, so many ways
Speaker 2: to do it now.
Speaker 4: It's a real ul what you're doing.
Speaker 1: Exactly right, exactly So before we go to r C,
Speaker 1: because I appreciate you, you know, taking time out your
Speaker 1: schedule to sit down with us, I want to ask
Speaker 1: you one more question. It's just me for a fan standpoint.
Speaker 1: Where was you at when you first heard no vasselin.
Speaker 3: I was up there's an actress, her name is uh
Speaker 3: Jinny King, my father, and then I was over there
Speaker 3: with with her and some friends that heard and they
Speaker 3: must have just hit the floor. They loved every minute
Speaker 3: of that ship, in that moment of time, In that
Speaker 3: moment in time, I was so happy that qube let
Speaker 3: me breathe you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: Because he cleaned the house, the chickens came home, the
Speaker 4: ruse with that one man.
Speaker 1: I don't know, Doc, I think if he hadn't put
Speaker 1: you in there, I think you would have had something.
Speaker 3: Nah that would have been like that would have been
Speaker 3: too much like pushing down.
Speaker 5: A handicap kid.
Speaker 2: Man. You can't do mad.
Speaker 5: It wasn't like that man had been a bully. You
Speaker 5: can't beat up doc man. He can't fight back. But
Speaker 5: he knew that that he knew that anything I was
Speaker 5: doing over there, I was doing because that was my job.
Speaker 5: You know, I.
Speaker 3: Loved Cube. I always have always respected him. It's always
Speaker 3: been him. Like when you see the documentary. One thing
Speaker 3: about this documentary, bro Q dresnw.
Speaker 5: By do him all.
Speaker 3: These people, it's how they talk like like how they
Speaker 3: look talking like you have never seen Dre. You ain't
Speaker 3: never seen Dre like this, bro You ain't just you've
Speaker 3: never seen doctor Dre act.
Speaker 5: Like this on camera.
Speaker 3: It just you don't see a billionaire. You just see
Speaker 3: a nigga that love his brother, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: You don't same thing with Snoop and you you don't
Speaker 3: see these icons. You just see niggas love they nigga.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean that it ain't a back
Speaker 3: then they like, Man, look you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: And by do there's a couple of scenes in there
Speaker 3: that if I do have that'll make you your bump
Speaker 3: stand up on your arm. The way she talked to her,
Speaker 3: that the man I showed you every example of black
Speaker 3: love that exists on this planet in that hour and
Speaker 3: a half between mother and father, brother and sister, friends.
Speaker 5: Lovers, colt parents, man and wife.
Speaker 3: I give you everything on a popular level, and I
Speaker 3: don't say nothing negative about none of them niggas. I
Speaker 3: give up all of my dirt door, every funky ship
Speaker 3: stained in my draws out here because I really don't
Speaker 3: give them buck.
Speaker 5: You know what I mean, Like I had to walk
Speaker 5: that math.
Speaker 3: But you know what, I'm still here and I'm still
Speaker 3: standing strong and I'm still not selling out, and the
Speaker 3: woods can't be in me and the niggas can't break.
Speaker 3: So you know the thing left, God, get God the
Speaker 3: glove and go get the money for.
Speaker 1: Sure, and it's gonna happen for you, man, and anything
Speaker 1: we can do over here, man the digital soapbox to
Speaker 1: help you with that, Man, we got you.
Speaker 5: I appreciate you.
Speaker 4: We're gonna sit down, I'm gonna get on your line,
Speaker 4: and we're.
Speaker 2: Gonna have a real hip hop conversation.
Speaker 4: See this right here was more about Doc, but the
Speaker 4: things I know you know about him from your perspective
Speaker 4: would be a much more intriguing conversation. So I look
Speaker 4: forward to always Politically, you wanted to be one of
Speaker 4: the greatest on one fucking album, one.
Speaker 5: Out up and focused one love on for real.
Speaker 1: Sure, man, we appreciate you, man. And when I say
Speaker 1: we appreciate you, I don't mean likely we really appreciate.
Speaker 2: You in in the interview, but like the real you know.
Speaker 1: Really appreciate you, bro. Because your album took me through
Speaker 1: a lot of times. I feel like I became a
Speaker 1: grown man listening to you out and that's me being real.
Speaker 1: That was my soundtrack. God bless were out of here.
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