1 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 1: Well you're still in the office. I see severance, baby, 2 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:18,079 Speaker 1: So what are we going to do about this? I 3 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:20,160 Speaker 1: told you, I just think you need to start living 4 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:22,320 Speaker 1: in this office as your background. 5 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:25,599 Speaker 2: I mean, it doesn't matter what I change it to. 6 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 2: The like weird effects of my microphone disappearing is going 7 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 2: to do it. 8 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:35,160 Speaker 1: So if anyone has any experience in this, please email 9 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 1: us at the Edge at Velvetsige dot com. Chip is 10 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 1: so sad to be stuck in this office on his headide. 11 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:42,839 Speaker 2: I cannot get the virtual background off, and I know 12 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:47,479 Speaker 2: everyone's going to send me the obvious simple instructions and 13 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:49,520 Speaker 2: what I can tell you, I've done a deep dive. 14 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 1: They don't work. 15 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:51,519 Speaker 3: None of it works. 16 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 2: And I restarted my computer thinking that would do it, 17 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 2: and it didn't work. I deleted Zoom didn't work. So 18 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 2: Merchery is our cury is in retrograde. It actually is 19 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 2: a mercury. 20 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:06,119 Speaker 1: Did you know that for real? It'd be funny because 21 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 1: it actually is. It was very serious retrograde. 22 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:09,959 Speaker 3: Yeah. 23 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:13,399 Speaker 2: If this, if this shit stops after Mercury's and done 24 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 2: being in retrograde, I'm like full on in on astrology. 25 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 1: Okay, well, Universe, you heard him here first go ahead 26 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 1: and teach him a lesson and let's get this thing 27 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 1: back working after mercury retrograde. Well, you've been traveling, I've 28 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:29,679 Speaker 1: been traveling. We've had so much going on, and so 29 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 1: we're both a little bit like, look at us right now. 30 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 1: If you guys are watching on YouTube, apologies, Yeah, I 31 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 1: got our best look. This is not our best look, 32 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:41,480 Speaker 1: but we are here. And I told you I was like, 33 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 1: I actually really loved the guests on Wednesdays. I don't 34 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 1: want to not do our do justice to our Friday 35 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 1: podcast about this because the topic itself and the way 36 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 1: she's delivering it, we're so helpful to me personally that 37 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 1: I didn't want to miss that. So if you guys 38 00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 1: didn't listen yet to the Wednesday podcast, Shana Game, who 39 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 1: is a financial planner, a financial trauma specialist, and the 40 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 1: author of a new book, Unraveling Your Relationship with Money, 41 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:11,080 Speaker 1: was on and I love her approach and it's like 42 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 1: no mistake obviously that we found each other because our astrology, 43 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:18,920 Speaker 1: speaking of astrology, is very aligned and so we have 44 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 1: very similar like wirings. So I think it's like we 45 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 1: think the same way about things. And I said to you, 46 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 1: she is doing money and the Money Talks in a 47 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:30,239 Speaker 1: way I've never heard anyone do it. Like I've had 48 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 1: financial people come on the podcast before. I've worked with 49 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 1: financial people myself, and it always kind of gets like 50 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 1: mumbo jumbo in my brain because they start with like 51 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:43,960 Speaker 1: numbers and budgets and let's analyze this and that, and 52 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:47,080 Speaker 1: it's so overwhelming. It's probably how you feel with astrology. 53 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 1: I'm like, wah wah wah wah. Right, yeah, my brain 54 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 1: just does not work that way. So what was interesting 55 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 1: to me about Shauna is she came on and she 56 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 1: was like, you got to unpack your like feelings, your 57 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 1: emotion and your trauma around money before you get to 58 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 1: budgets or how you spend or any sort of number 59 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 1: conversation or why yeah yeah, And I'm like, why haven't 60 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:08,839 Speaker 1: I thought of that? 61 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 3: Because we do that, she said. 62 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:13,799 Speaker 2: She said, money is emotions, not numbers. 63 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 1: Yes, money, because money is energy and people always say 64 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 1: that to me, but I've never really been able to 65 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 1: connect the dots on that. It just kind of like, 66 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 1: was this dumb, like duh moment to me because we 67 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 1: do that with every other topic on this podcast, like 68 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 1: we analyze the whys behind sex and the way we 69 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 1: move with that, the whyse behind relationships and why we 70 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 1: get in that. I mean the week before we were 71 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 1: talking about kids and fertility and you know, being on 72 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 1: your own journey and not trying to compare yourself to 73 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 1: other people. But for some reason, I haven't connected the 74 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 1: dots to the whys and the root causes of money 75 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 1: and spending and financial trauma and even put that together 76 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 1: that that was a real thing. So it was really 77 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 1: interesting to me to have her on the podcast. I 78 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 1: like downloaded this worksheet thing that she put in. I 79 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 1: put in the description of the podcast for you guys, 80 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 1: it's a free worksheet, And I'm doing it for myself 81 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 1: because I really want to like get to someone. I 82 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 1: want to be conscious with what I'm doing with my 83 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 1: money and how I'm moving with money and then how 84 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 1: I make money and say for the future and things 85 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:20,840 Speaker 1: like that. But it hasn't worked for me to just 86 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 1: fully focus on the numbers. I'm really excited to like 87 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 1: dive into the whys behind it. 88 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 2: You know, when I started thinking about like my relationship 89 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 2: with money, yeah, I mean the root of it is 90 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:32,280 Speaker 2: how my mother. 91 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:34,279 Speaker 3: Really always talked about it and Okay. 92 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:37,279 Speaker 2: I mean that's at the like the core of it, 93 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 2: and it's you know, I'm now that I'm an adult, 94 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 2: I still see the patterns of how she talks about 95 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 2: people and how they have money and those the haves 96 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 2: and have nots, And she always groups herself in the 97 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 2: like poor people thing, And we were like firmly middle class. 98 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:53,920 Speaker 2: There was very little that we didn't have that we wanted, 99 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 2: but like she definitely grew up with some people that 100 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:58,279 Speaker 2: had a lot more money. But you know, I also 101 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:01,159 Speaker 2: think we now live in such an exp world where 102 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:04,839 Speaker 2: it's about instant gratification and putting on a show. And 103 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 2: I mean she talks about the media of it all, 104 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 2: like we are served things all the time. 105 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:11,160 Speaker 3: Ads spend, spend, spend. 106 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 2: And there is shame that comes along with not being 107 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:15,839 Speaker 2: able to fit in with the crowd. And but I 108 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 2: also think it's so funny, like how many times have 109 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:20,839 Speaker 2: you heard, like you'll meet this person that like literally 110 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:23,839 Speaker 2: drives a raggedy ass car and they're like thrifting clothes 111 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 2: and they leave their room and you're like, you'll never 112 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:28,599 Speaker 2: believe how much money that person you know, like, and 113 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 2: it's like, to me, that's the fucking goal in life 114 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 2: because they like are seemingly happy and the money isn't 115 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 2: driving it, Like they're living their life. And I know, 116 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 2: you know, some of those comforts come with not having 117 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 2: to ever worry about money. So if you have money, 118 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 2: if you were born into money, like, I think there 119 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 2: are different types of trauma, Like you know, you might 120 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 2: be a soul that doesn't want to care about money, 121 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 2: but it's all the family cares about. So you know, 122 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:57,159 Speaker 2: I think that it's a really important distinction to be 123 00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:00,919 Speaker 2: to understand that, Like it doesn't matter if you're rich, poor, 124 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:05,160 Speaker 2: or middle class. There is some sort of trauma around 125 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:07,599 Speaker 2: money that affects the way that you see it. And 126 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 2: I don't know what the word for, like good trauma is. 127 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 1: Like what do you mean good trauma? I think trauma 128 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 1: is innately like. 129 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 3: Right, right, Like what is the opposite of trauma? 130 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:20,479 Speaker 2: Like you can have a there are people that actually 131 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 2: have figured it out and have a good relationship with mine. 132 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 1: Well, I think is like using even the trauma that 133 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:29,719 Speaker 1: you've been through and like turning your pain into purpose, 134 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:33,360 Speaker 1: like finding power within it, evolving past it, all of 135 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 1: those things we try to do with any other trauma 136 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:36,280 Speaker 1: that we have as well. 137 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:38,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's kind of the point that I was making. 138 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 2: But also, like I do think there are people that 139 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 2: like innately just had a healthy relationship with money, like 140 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 2: they didn't care about. 141 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 3: It or whatever. 142 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 2: So it's like the opposite of being traumatized by it. 143 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:52,039 Speaker 2: It's like the zero fux of it all, which is 144 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 2: obviously a lot easier when you have a safety net 145 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 2: and there is money. 146 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 3: But I also think that there are plenty of people 147 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 3: that like. 148 00:06:57,320 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 2: Don't have a lot of money, and they have a 149 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 2: family that they love and a life that they love, 150 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 2: and they're not influenced by the external that makes them 151 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 2: feel like they need more and more and more. They 152 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:08,679 Speaker 2: just are happy with life. 153 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 1: Well that's the point, right, is to evaluate your relationship 154 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 1: with money. So, like, trauma is such a big word, 155 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 1: and I think maybe not everybody, just like you're saying, 156 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 1: maybe not everybody relates to that. However, there are probably 157 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 1: some messages that you got in your childhood that defined 158 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 1: your relationship with money, whatever that looks like, whether that's 159 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 1: that could even be like a secure relationship with money 160 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 1: like you're describing, But it's like everything else, right, she said, 161 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 1: By the time we're seven we've basically formed our opinions 162 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 1: or we've formed the way that we're going to move 163 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 1: with money later in life because of what was happening 164 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 1: to us at that age. And that's the same as 165 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 1: why you pick the people you pick to date, or 166 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 1: why you work as hard as you do or not 167 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 1: as hard as you do. Like there's it's the same 168 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 1: thing as everything else we literally talk about on this podcast. 169 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 1: We just have not discussed it in terms of money 170 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 1: and how we spend and that literally, like Opra calls 171 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 1: on Maha moments, whatever, I felt like my brain was 172 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 1: going to pop off my body. It was that, you know, 173 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 1: however you want to say it. It was like a 174 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 1: moment of like, oh my god, why have I not 175 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 1: thought about this? Because it is true, like what you're 176 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 1: saying about your mom's relationship with money, it impacted the 177 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 1: way you think about money because he taught you that 178 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 1: it's an inherited belief, you know. And so now all 179 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 1: this is asking us to do is go, what do 180 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 1: I actually think about money? And like how am I 181 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 1: spending my money? How am I saving my money? Am 182 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:41,199 Speaker 1: I getting paid enough? Like am I actually being compensated 183 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 1: for the work that I'm doing like all of these 184 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 1: kind of things that I think are driving probably more 185 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:48,560 Speaker 1: than we think about, Like I know they are for me, 186 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 1: and they can be so tied to messages of shame 187 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:55,440 Speaker 1: or unworthiness or things that you and I were talking 188 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:58,320 Speaker 1: about before the podcast. But like, if you don't dive 189 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 1: into it, it's this unconscious driver, Whereas if you just 190 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:05,200 Speaker 1: kind of sit back and ask yourself these questions, you 191 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 1: can be consciously working with it and building the life 192 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:10,960 Speaker 1: you want with the money you want or don't want 193 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 1: or whatever it is, like whatever your journey is, you know, yeah, it's. 194 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:16,960 Speaker 3: I mean money. 195 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 2: I'll admit, like I have a very funny relationship with money. 196 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 1: Like, well, so talk let's talk about that. Let's maybe 197 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:25,439 Speaker 1: just some of the things that we took away from 198 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:27,439 Speaker 1: the podcast, because I know it definitely made me think 199 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:30,199 Speaker 1: about a lot about my own self. Well, what were 200 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:31,199 Speaker 1: some of your things? 201 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 2: I can find happiness kind of and in any situation, 202 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 2: whether it's like a boozy's just bougie situation or the 203 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 2: most dive bar like ratchet situation, Like I can find 204 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 2: fun anywhere. So I'm like one of those like interesting 205 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 2: people that it does. Like when I say that money 206 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 2: doesn't matter to me. Like that sounds so flippant, but 207 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 2: it doesn't. Like if I'm with people that I love 208 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 2: and I can laugh, then it's a great moment, you know. 209 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:01,560 Speaker 2: But I also love to travel and I love I 210 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 2: love things, and I you know, my life is not cheap, 211 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 2: and I could I adjust, probably, you know, I could 212 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 2: spend a lot less money. But because I don't care 213 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 2: about money in the same way, I'm not like it 214 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 2: has good and bad impacts, Like I'm terrible at saving 215 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 2: because I've been really fortunate in my life that money 216 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 2: shows up in times when I need it, like in ways. 217 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:26,960 Speaker 3: That like you can't predict. 218 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:29,680 Speaker 2: But I also know that I work really hard and 219 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 2: I deserve to be paid well, and. 220 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 3: But I also don't know how to fight for it. 221 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:36,960 Speaker 2: Like money is a very uncomfortable thing for me to 222 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 2: talk about because suddenly, if you ask for more money 223 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:44,320 Speaker 2: that you don't get, like, is it a reflection on 224 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 2: your your like own self worth, like if you just 225 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 2: stand for it. And I'm constantly around people that make 226 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:54,560 Speaker 2: a shit ton of money, and some of them are 227 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 2: really great about saving, some of them aren't aren't. So 228 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 2: it's like I I in my own life. 229 00:10:59,240 --> 00:10:59,560 Speaker 3: I see. 230 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 2: I'm able to see the spectrum of it all and 231 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:04,719 Speaker 2: see like what life can be like if you if 232 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 2: you do money right, and what life can. 233 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 3: Be like if you don't. 234 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 2: But I'm also I've got plenty of people around me 235 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 2: that like money is not like a ruling thing in 236 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:15,960 Speaker 2: their life, Like they have enough of it to like 237 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 2: do what they want to do, but it's not what 238 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 2: drives them at all. And I just for me, it 239 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 2: is definitely not the driver of things. But I fear 240 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 2: not having it there. I just have like a and 241 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 2: I'm my family. I never like, yeah, I have a 242 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 2: scarcity mindset, and my family like we never like there 243 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 2: was never food insecurity. There was never any of those 244 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:42,319 Speaker 2: moments where we were like, all right, we got to 245 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 2: batten down the hatches, like this is gonna be a 246 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 2: rough year. Like I never had a parent that was 247 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 2: like out of work suddenly, Like never never any of 248 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 2: those scares. It was more we don't talk about money. 249 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:57,079 Speaker 2: We don't talk about like we just didn't talk about it. 250 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 2: But my mom talked about it a lot and still does. 251 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 3: In her mind. 252 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 2: She's a pulper compared to a lot of her friends, 253 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 2: you know, and she thinks she equates having a lot 254 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 2: of money to having an easier life, which is not true. 255 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 2: I know plenty of people that have lots of money 256 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:14,680 Speaker 2: that are not happy, ug or struggle with a lot 257 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 2: of things in their life. And my mom would be like, 258 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 2: you know, money doesn't buy happiness, and I was like, well, 259 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 2: it can buy some happierness, you know, like you can 260 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 2: buy a little bit of it, but it doesn't make 261 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:27,960 Speaker 2: It's not like the answer to everything, which is a 262 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 2: really tough thing to grapple with because the world that 263 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:34,080 Speaker 2: we live in, yeah, I mean us Right now, we're 264 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 2: having a conversation about money, and I want to be 265 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 2: clear on this, Like my goal is not to tell 266 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 2: anybody to go out there and try and make as 267 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:44,680 Speaker 2: much money as you can, like go get rich. Like 268 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:56,440 Speaker 2: that is not the point of my conversation. The point 269 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 2: of my conversation, because I can only speak for myself, 270 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 2: is that, like I do think that life would be 271 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 2: easier with a healthier relationship to money, and I know 272 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 2: it's something that I need to work on. And listening 273 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:14,440 Speaker 2: to is Shanna what's her name, Sha Shawna listening to Shauna, Like, 274 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 2: I want to like explore some of the like the 275 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 2: workbook stuff that she has, Like these things that seem 276 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 2: to like really open up people's minds, because I've tried 277 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:25,079 Speaker 2: the financial planner thing too, and it just doesn't work 278 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 2: for me. Like it seems overwhelming. It seems like I'm 279 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 2: going to be giving away everything that I'm saving. Like 280 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 2: it I just can't wrap my head around it. But 281 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 2: what I know is that I need to change because 282 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 2: I'm not saving properly. And that can be humiliating because 283 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:42,560 Speaker 2: I have a lot of friends that are really great 284 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 2: at saving, and my mom was actually really great at saving, 285 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:47,439 Speaker 2: but I just didn't get that gene. 286 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 1: It's such a catch twenty two though, because then it's 287 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:52,559 Speaker 1: also like we're also taught the messages of well, you 288 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:55,199 Speaker 1: can't take it with you. I think, you know, it's 289 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 1: like this weird mixed messages thing that happens in our society, 290 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:01,840 Speaker 1: and like you mentioned, like we live in a capitalist society. 291 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 1: Like it's very much about consumerism and the haves and 292 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 1: the have nots and keeping up with the joneses and 293 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 1: what that means about you and what that means about 294 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:13,199 Speaker 1: your success. And like, I just think that's the really 295 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 1: interesting piece about what Shauna is bringing to the conversation, 296 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 1: is is that really true? Or are we attaching these 297 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 1: mentalities to the way we spend, to the way we 298 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 1: like the things that we buy unconsciously and not actually 299 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 1: asking ourselves is this true for me? Is this what 300 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 1: I want? Does this make me happy? Am I doing 301 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 1: right by myself? Like as far as saving goes, like 302 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 1: you're talking about, and we just don't really ask those things, 303 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 1: you know. I think we ask like numbers questions, and 304 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 1: for people like you and me who are creatives, that 305 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 1: is like wait, what right? I was always bad at math, 306 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 1: Like I had to have a math tutor, and like 307 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 1: I'm a smart person, so it's just like my brain 308 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 1: just does not think that way, you know. So I 309 00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 1: found it really interesting. One of the things that came 310 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 1: up for me during the podcast was like she's I 311 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 1: can't remember exactly what she said that made me go here, 312 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 1: but one of the things that I noticed that I 313 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 1: do is she had o because she had mentioned for 314 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 1: women it can be hormonal for us, like our spending, 315 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 1: and I never thought about that, but it makes so 316 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 1: much sense because I'm a creature of comfort for sure, 317 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 1: and like I want to be comfortable and so I'm 318 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 1: doing things usually in my life to you know, make 319 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 1: my house feel cozy, to make sure I'm doing things 320 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 1: that will be the most comfortable for me all in 321 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 1: all ways. Like that's just very important to me. It's 322 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 1: a high priority. And so like during certain times of 323 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 1: the month, you know, like I have lower energy, I 324 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 1: don't feel as good. So it's very easy for me 325 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 1: to want to buy things to fix that thing, you know, 326 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 1: that problem, which is fine, like she talked about that. 327 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 1: She was like, that would be fine if you know 328 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 1: that's a time of the month that you're probably going 329 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 1: to want to order out more or whatever it is. 330 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:03,400 Speaker 1: It's like I can't set the money, Yeah, just start 331 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 1: setting aside the money. And I was like, oh, right, 332 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 1: Like we don't have to shame ourselves for what we 333 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 1: need or what makes us feel good in our lives 334 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 1: or what makes us happy. It's just more about being 335 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 1: conscious about that and honest with ourselves and then if 336 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 1: it is something that we want to keep doing, like 337 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 1: preparing ourselves for it. It's just being more responsible in 338 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 1: that way we were saying before the podcast, like that, 339 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 1: I mean, the creature of comfort thing is so real 340 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 1: for me, so it's certain times of month, and then 341 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 1: it's just like like if I'm sick or whatever. So 342 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 1: I do need to have like a separate fund for 343 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 1: these times where it's like, Okay, you know, when you're 344 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 1: super busy, you're not gonna want to cook, so you'll 345 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 1: probably postmates a lot or whatever. And that shit adds up. 346 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 1: Like when I go to the Quesses every year, I 347 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 1: get so like, oh my god, because I order groceries. 348 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 1: I do that, you know, it was just like that 349 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 1: stuff adds up way faster than I think it does. Yeah, 350 00:16:57,680 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 1: I'm doing it, yeah, but I don't. I don't want to. 351 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 1: You know. I've tried doing the thing. Like you said, 352 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 1: I could probably cut back on ways this amount of money. 353 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 1: And I have to just be honest with myself. I 354 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:09,879 Speaker 1: am a creature of comfort. I'm always gonna want some 355 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 1: ease in certain times of the month, in certain periods 356 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:15,200 Speaker 1: of my life, in certain phases. So I just need 357 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:18,920 Speaker 1: to prepare for that and be honest and like true 358 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 1: to myself with it, like not try to be somebody 359 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 1: I'm not, you know what I mean. 360 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 2: Totally Yeah, And I think sometimes the planning ahead even 361 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 2: will put up the guardrail. So It's like if you've 362 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 2: only put one hundred dollars in your like fun money 363 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:33,639 Speaker 2: tank or whatever you want. 364 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:35,159 Speaker 3: To call it, Like you're like, well, I only have 365 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 3: one hundred dollars, so it's. 366 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:38,879 Speaker 2: Like, you know, I'm going to get a pizza that 367 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 2: will last me all weekend, you know. I mean, obviously 368 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:44,160 Speaker 2: that's a different situation for you. But like I think 369 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 2: if you. 370 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 1: Have gluten and dairy umi, right. 371 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 2: But like or you know, it's you order a big 372 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 2: old thing a chicken. 373 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:55,680 Speaker 1: Little soup and one order versus, right. 374 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:56,919 Speaker 3: And that can create care of you. 375 00:17:57,040 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 2: But if if you know that, like you've got the 376 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 2: reward system in place because you saved one hundred dollars 377 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 2: over here for this, right, then the shame and the 378 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 2: guilt of really willy nilly wasting money is out the 379 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:13,159 Speaker 2: window exactly, and it can still have its limitations. 380 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:15,160 Speaker 3: So it checks both boxes. 381 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 2: You're still you're saving, you're doing the right thing, but 382 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:21,200 Speaker 2: you're satisfying that like not having. 383 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:24,399 Speaker 1: To cook, right, Because what my spiral is is like 384 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 1: so say, for instance, like I'll go do my taxes 385 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:29,199 Speaker 1: and then I'm looking at, oh my god, look at 386 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:31,719 Speaker 1: this spending on this and that and that and because 387 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:34,240 Speaker 1: it was these unconscious decisions that I was making in 388 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:38,280 Speaker 1: the time to make myself more comfortable, it comes with shame, 389 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 1: and then it comes with this like beating myself up 390 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 1: of well, you better book another job, or you better 391 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:46,199 Speaker 1: take on another client or whatever. So it's like this 392 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:48,720 Speaker 1: spiral that I'll go in about that I need to 393 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:53,480 Speaker 1: work harder to make more money to then blah blah blah, 394 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:55,920 Speaker 1: you know, like and it's just this vicious hamster wheel 395 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:57,919 Speaker 1: that I can get on, but that you know, that 396 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:00,399 Speaker 1: hamster will leads me to exhaustion and then out, and 397 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:01,639 Speaker 1: then I don't want to work at all. And then 398 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:04,879 Speaker 1: it's like it's just like that doesn't that's probably not 399 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 1: the best solution either. That's just kind of what I've 400 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:11,359 Speaker 1: always done is just go make more, go, do more, go, 401 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 1: you know whatever. And I'm at this age now where 402 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 1: I'm like my body is saying no, no, no, no no, 403 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:20,120 Speaker 1: and so I need to listen. But also looking at 404 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:22,880 Speaker 1: where does that scarcity even come from? Like where did 405 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 1: I develop that I won't have enough? And you know, 406 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:29,919 Speaker 1: going back into childhood stuff for all of us. So 407 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 1: it's like it's like a both and situation it's like 408 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 1: how we're moving now looking at the whys and how 409 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 1: we got some of the we attached to some of 410 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:40,199 Speaker 1: the narratives, and then being true to ourselves about like 411 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 1: what are your patterns and like are they things that 412 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 1: you should be working on? Are they just like part 413 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 1: of who you are? Like I'm never not going to 414 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 1: be a creature of comfort. 415 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:49,720 Speaker 3: That's just me Like. 416 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 1: Sales, yeah, jigs up. 417 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:56,959 Speaker 3: Yeah, jigs up. You know it's funny. 418 00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:00,159 Speaker 2: A bad habit of mine too, is I will think 419 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 2: of things like, you know, based on my salary. I 420 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:05,159 Speaker 2: know what I make per per hour, you know, Okay, 421 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:07,400 Speaker 2: so I'll think like, oh, you know, that's not that bad. 422 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 2: That's only like three hours of work. I'm gonna go 423 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 2: ahead and get it, you know what I mean, Like 424 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:15,199 Speaker 2: rather than asking myself do I really want it? 425 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:15,919 Speaker 3: Do I need it? 426 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:19,160 Speaker 2: This year, I've actually tried to be a lot better 427 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 2: about just willing illy buying things. But like, you know me, 428 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 2: like a costume idea comes up, I'm gonna order that ship. 429 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 1: Like the fact that the thing that you just brought 430 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 1: up is like the thing that's killing you about your 431 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:34,919 Speaker 1: money is that you know me? If a costume mind comes, 432 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:38,040 Speaker 1: that's the thing, Like. 433 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:40,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I'm like, I want to do it 434 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:42,439 Speaker 2: exactly the way I want to do it and not 435 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 2: be this thing in my closet and do this blah 436 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:52,880 Speaker 2: blah blah. Although I can be pretty like crafty, very crafty, 437 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:56,240 Speaker 2: but I like, don't miss an opportunity. 438 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 1: To like, you're not going to miss fun. This is interesting. 439 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:02,320 Speaker 1: I'm like, good God, a man that knows the way 440 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 1: to my heart. He sent me this whole breakdown of 441 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:10,439 Speaker 1: each Enneagram number with money and the motivators behind like 442 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:13,640 Speaker 1: how we spend, and I first of all loved it, 443 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:17,240 Speaker 1: of course duh. But you're a type seven, so like 444 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:21,400 Speaker 1: you love it SI, you're always looking for fun. That's 445 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:23,200 Speaker 1: what I think of with sevens. They look for fun, 446 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:26,200 Speaker 1: and that can make you a bit impulsive too, because 447 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 1: you don't it's like the fomo feeling, you know, like 448 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:31,040 Speaker 1: you don't want to miss out. So that's something for 449 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 1: you to really consenter with money like mine was very 450 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:38,199 Speaker 1: true too. Emotional spender values uniqueness like are you kidding? 451 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:42,120 Speaker 1: Like yeah, home me story about myself, But emotional spender, 452 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:44,159 Speaker 1: that's so true. So that's why certain times of the 453 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:47,119 Speaker 1: month I am going to be like, oh, you deserve 454 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:49,400 Speaker 1: to go shopping or you you know, like if I've 455 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 1: been working really hard, I come home and I'm like, 456 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 1: before even analyzing my money situation, i just want to 457 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:57,639 Speaker 1: buy clothes or do something that's going to make me 458 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 1: feel good because I've been doing stuff for everyone else. 459 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 1: That's okay. Again, I think it's all okay. It's just 460 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 1: about being conscious of our patterns and the wise and 461 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 1: like is this really gonna be the like do you 462 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 1: really want that? Are you just exhausted and you need 463 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:15,400 Speaker 1: to go take a warm bath and like do something 464 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 1: nice for yourself that, you know, like self care kind 465 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:21,639 Speaker 1: of stuff versus like spending. Right, if I am probably 466 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 1: a very emotional spender, Like if I'm really down, I remember, 467 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:27,960 Speaker 1: I'll never forget this story I was going through. That's 468 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:30,480 Speaker 1: when I was canceling my wedding and my mom was 469 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:34,840 Speaker 1: like coming in to like help me. It was the 470 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:36,439 Speaker 1: day that it happened. I like called her and my 471 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:37,440 Speaker 1: mom was like, do you I want to get on 472 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:39,119 Speaker 1: a plane. I was like yes, you know, I'm like 473 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:40,960 Speaker 1: a disaster. And then I was like I don't want 474 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:42,879 Speaker 1: to say it really because I couldn't. I lived with 475 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 1: my partner and I was like, I can't stay at 476 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 1: this house. I had to get the hell out of there, 477 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 1: right And I said, I don't want to stay at 478 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:50,400 Speaker 1: a shitty hotel though, like. 479 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:51,359 Speaker 3: This's so bad. 480 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:56,479 Speaker 1: Even in my like darkest day, I was like, what 481 00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 1: I will not do is like get cheated on, cancel 482 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,399 Speaker 1: a wedding and go stay at a shitty and stay at 483 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:05,360 Speaker 1: some shitty hotel. And my mom still brings it up 484 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:08,199 Speaker 1: to this day because it's just that's so good, but 485 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 1: it's so me, Like it literally that sums me up. 486 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:13,439 Speaker 1: So if I know that's me and I can accept 487 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:15,159 Speaker 1: myself for who I am, I need to have a 488 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 1: fund for my emotional space. Yeah, you also brought it 489 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 1: up in terms of relationships with that, which I thought 490 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:25,440 Speaker 1: was really really interesting to think about. And I think 491 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:28,119 Speaker 1: that's probably a whole nother conversation. But what made you 492 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 1: even bring that goal. 493 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,480 Speaker 2: My last boyfriend, he was a couple of years older 494 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 2: than me, and his goal was like, I'm retiring by 495 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 2: fifty five, even if it means I have to have 496 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 2: a job at like Costco or something like something that 497 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 2: gets me out of the house, keeps me human, keeps 498 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:55,399 Speaker 2: me interacting with people make you make a little bit 499 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 2: of money, and that's like your fun spending money, you know. 500 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 2: And he owned his house, said he lived in and 501 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 2: he had another like townhouse in town that he was 502 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 2: a rental property. And I think he had probably just 503 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:08,880 Speaker 2: saved better, like he wasn't he didn't travel, He hadn't 504 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 2: traveled as much as me in life, and all the things, 505 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:17,639 Speaker 2: you know, like that eat into my bank account. And 506 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 2: it's suddenly like I was like, didn't everyone have the 507 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 2: conversation because I don't know, like his finances sound like 508 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:28,160 Speaker 2: everything was like perfectly in order, and I'm like, oh, 509 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:29,200 Speaker 2: am mine a little. 510 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 3: Bit of a mess. 511 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:33,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, like I'm definitely not retiring at fifty 512 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:36,160 Speaker 2: five unless the lottery fairy comes knocking on my door. 513 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:39,960 Speaker 2: But so there comes to shame with that, and it's 514 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:43,479 Speaker 2: like the idea of having to then unpack all of 515 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:46,880 Speaker 2: the why like why is he in this position and 516 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:51,200 Speaker 2: why am I in this one? And there's a million reasons. 517 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 1: It's so interesting to hear you talk because it's just 518 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:56,919 Speaker 1: like we were talking about last week about everyone is 519 00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 1: on their own journey, right, we all need to make 520 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,879 Speaker 1: the life that we're for us, and this is no 521 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:07,160 Speaker 1: different than that because you could easily argue, like listening 522 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:09,920 Speaker 1: to you, I'm like, those are just two different types 523 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:13,560 Speaker 1: of lives, like not there's not necessarily like one right 524 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 1: or wrong in that because you've had all these experiences 525 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:20,400 Speaker 1: that he probably hadn't had and like visited all these places, 526 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 1: and some might say they value that more more. Yeah, 527 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 1: you know, so it's like tit for tat like half 528 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 1: a dozen? What can't you sick seven? As the kids say, 529 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:37,920 Speaker 1: you know, I still don't even really know what that means. Well, 530 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,600 Speaker 1: it's just like it's the same thing as I would 531 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 1: say with the kids. I do believe we have created 532 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:48,119 Speaker 1: this like one size fits all conversation about money that 533 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 1: just isn't gonna work because we're all so individual and 534 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:54,479 Speaker 1: different and we have different personalities and mindsets and jobs. 535 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:56,640 Speaker 1: And I was saying to you earlier, like we're both creatives. 536 00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of creatives would identify with this, 537 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,440 Speaker 1: Like we're a little bit more like late bloomer ish 538 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:04,400 Speaker 1: if you're looking at like a timeline than some people 539 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,640 Speaker 1: who like your ex, who was more of a nine 540 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,679 Speaker 1: to five corporate type guy. And it's just like that's fine. 541 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 1: There's no like the timeline is made up, that's not real. Like, 542 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 1: of course you want to have goals and you want 543 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:19,440 Speaker 1: to have like you want to take care of yourself, 544 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,359 Speaker 1: but there shouldn't be shame attached to it. Ever. I 545 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 1: don't think it's more like do you want to make 546 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:25,480 Speaker 1: changes in your life? 547 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:25,679 Speaker 3: Then? 548 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:27,680 Speaker 1: Like did that bring up, hey, I want to start 549 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:30,879 Speaker 1: saving more, or or you know, I want to do 550 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 1: better about planning for retirement, or did it just make 551 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:36,520 Speaker 1: you want to go travel more? I don't know, like 552 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:37,440 Speaker 1: only yeah, I. 553 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 2: Mean honestly, I do think there was I was a 554 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,240 Speaker 2: little inspired to like start to save a little bit 555 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 2: better and consider, you know, how I was spending my money. 556 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:48,879 Speaker 2: I don't think it got to any of my whys, 557 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:51,840 Speaker 2: you know, like sure, right, it just was eye opening 558 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,919 Speaker 2: in some ways and it just shows that again everyone, 559 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 2: we're all on different paths and but that that is 560 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:00,359 Speaker 2: scary though when you're in a relationship, if there is 561 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,280 Speaker 2: a big sort of if there is a valley between 562 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:06,960 Speaker 2: you guys financially, it can make or break a relationship too, 563 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 2: because especially if you're going down the path towards marriage, 564 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:14,440 Speaker 2: where finances will start to become very gray and you're 565 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:18,480 Speaker 2: taking on whatever someone else has right, and there can 566 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:22,200 Speaker 2: be the you know, it makes for a very uncomfortable conversation, 567 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 2: like even when you start talking about people that have 568 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,960 Speaker 2: plenty of money, you know, like the prenups of it all. 569 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:31,159 Speaker 2: Like I can't imagine being in a position where you 570 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,479 Speaker 2: have to tell someone that you are like you are 571 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 2: my favorite person on earth. I want to marry you. 572 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:36,119 Speaker 2: I want to be with you for the rest of 573 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,920 Speaker 2: my life. But if something goes wrong, you ain't getting 574 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:40,440 Speaker 2: my money, you know what I mean. 575 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 1: It's like it's a. 576 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:45,919 Speaker 2: Really like it is a double edged sword, like what 577 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,199 Speaker 2: do you believe? You know, Like if you're on the 578 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 2: receiving end of that, you're like, wait a minute, do 579 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:51,560 Speaker 2: you love me or do you love your money? 580 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 1: Yeah? 581 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 3: But I mean but I also understand it to because 582 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:56,159 Speaker 3: there's that I. 583 00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:58,200 Speaker 1: Have worked really hard for it. You don't know what's 584 00:27:58,200 --> 00:27:59,680 Speaker 1: going to happen in life, or it's. 585 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 2: Family and you've got your mom in your ear being 586 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:06,399 Speaker 2: like you better not give them all the family money away, right, Yeah, 587 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 2: So money makes people do weird shits. 588 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 1: Money. It's a hard one and it's a hard conversation, 589 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 1: like you mentioned earlier, like it's a hard topic. We 590 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 1: didn't really talk about it growing up either. It's just 591 00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 1: like I do think people are getting more open about 592 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 1: all conversations now, like in general, and money being one 593 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,720 Speaker 1: of them. But like our parents didn't come from a 594 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:27,879 Speaker 1: world where you talk about money. That wasn't discussed, you know, 595 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,720 Speaker 1: and it's that's kind of it wasn't even just my parents, 596 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:32,600 Speaker 1: it was everyone around me. It was just sort of like, oh, 597 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,879 Speaker 1: you just don't like hush hush about it, and it's like, yeah, no, 598 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:39,240 Speaker 1: we needed just like sex, like these are parts of 599 00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 1: our lives and we are living a human experience right now, 600 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:44,920 Speaker 1: so like we need to talk about these things and 601 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 1: we need. 602 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:48,360 Speaker 3: To comes from that, you know, like. 603 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 1: Like the secret of it. 604 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:52,720 Speaker 3: Well, also to. 605 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:56,520 Speaker 2: On your podcast wednesday, it was mentioned that, you know, 606 00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,719 Speaker 2: women used to not be able to get loans from 607 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 2: the bank. They could get credit cards until nineteen seventies. 608 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:04,920 Speaker 1: Every time I hear that, because I like forget, but 609 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 1: when you hear it, I mean I was born in 610 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:10,200 Speaker 1: eighty two, Like yeah, right after that, that's wild. 611 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:15,480 Speaker 2: So you know women like it was, it was probably 612 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:17,760 Speaker 2: very strict at a certain point, Like we don't talk 613 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,200 Speaker 2: about money like that's what men were saying to women 614 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,120 Speaker 2: because the men were controlling all of the money anyway, 615 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:24,719 Speaker 2: so they didn't want the women to know what they 616 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:29,720 Speaker 2: had or didn't have, which, you know, maybe in several 617 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 2: generations the conversation will be very different and people will 618 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,000 Speaker 2: be able to talk about money, you know, more openly 619 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:37,080 Speaker 2: and not I don't mean like I don't need to 620 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 2: know all your money secrets, but talk about it in 621 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:43,640 Speaker 2: a way that is helps people have a more like 622 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 2: honest relationship with it. Because to me, what I walked 623 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,040 Speaker 2: away from with my parents and the way that my 624 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,040 Speaker 2: mom still talks about money. 625 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 3: Is like their shame on both sides. 626 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:59,560 Speaker 2: Like I know that my mom is a penny pincher 627 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,720 Speaker 2: because my us said things about like I solve this 628 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:04,800 Speaker 2: much in our checking account, and I was like, Claudia, 629 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,320 Speaker 2: we got to put this in a mutual account blah blah. 630 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:09,120 Speaker 2: So I know that she's like really good at saving, 631 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:12,200 Speaker 2: but she also wants to believe that she is, you know, 632 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 2: one paycheck away from like being. 633 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:18,880 Speaker 3: Destitute financial rule, and she. 634 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:23,360 Speaker 2: Casts this like evilness toward people that have money, like 635 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 2: there's a jealous there's a rage in there that comes 636 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:29,160 Speaker 2: along with that, like she's just jealous of it and 637 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:32,040 Speaker 2: but says it in a way like she doesn't care 638 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:34,480 Speaker 2: about money. But I'm like, bitch, it's all you talk about. 639 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:36,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know. I used to have more of those 640 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:40,160 Speaker 1: mentalities of just kind of like what you said earlier, 641 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,920 Speaker 1: thinking people that had tons of money, like what an 642 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 1: easy life, you know whatever, And then because of our job, 643 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:50,400 Speaker 1: like you said earlier, I'm around people with like boatloads 644 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,960 Speaker 1: of money and some are really happy and some are not. 645 00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:57,040 Speaker 1: And it does actually in some ways create all these 646 00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:00,560 Speaker 1: other problems that if you're just a regular Joshma and 647 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,280 Speaker 1: you know, live a normal life or middle class or 648 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:06,840 Speaker 1: whatever it is that you don't have like and not 649 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,680 Speaker 1: to be like, oh, poor billionaires or things like that. 650 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:10,320 Speaker 3: Right. 651 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,080 Speaker 1: But it's just like I think it is important for 652 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:17,320 Speaker 1: us to say there's just where there's people, there's problems, 653 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:21,600 Speaker 1: there's not like this, you know, just because I think 654 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,000 Speaker 1: not having money stress is very helpful. And I know 655 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,320 Speaker 1: money stress in my life has been one of a 656 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:31,480 Speaker 1: big burdens as an adult of like of weight and 657 00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:33,840 Speaker 1: as you know, as a single girl and things like that. 658 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,520 Speaker 1: But I do I have seen like, oh, it's not 659 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:40,960 Speaker 1: going to actually just fix fix human problems, Like sure, 660 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,560 Speaker 1: does it make it easier to go get help if 661 00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:44,320 Speaker 1: you need it or. 662 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:50,280 Speaker 2: Go get anny. 663 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:49,880 Speaker 1: If you need you know, like things like that. Yes, 664 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:53,160 Speaker 1: those things are definitely there, but it doesn't solve any 665 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,720 Speaker 1: of the other problems that we talk about on this podcast. 666 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,760 Speaker 1: For you, it's not like this quick fix. So that 667 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 1: was an interesting experience in my life that maybe your 668 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,280 Speaker 1: mom hasn't fully had, but that helped me to kind 669 00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:07,120 Speaker 1: of let go of some of that. Well, they have 670 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,440 Speaker 1: a bunch of money, life is he right? It's like, right, 671 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:12,600 Speaker 1: they have a bunch of money and life is still life. 672 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,400 Speaker 2: Well, I think the an interesting point to this whole 673 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:19,960 Speaker 2: topic that just occurred to me is if you are 674 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 2: struggling financially, yeah, and that is your mentality, it makes 675 00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,760 Speaker 2: you think that money is going to solve the problems 676 00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:29,640 Speaker 2: rather than dealing with what's really going. 677 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,080 Speaker 1: On in your life the wise, like the why, about 678 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:36,840 Speaker 1: the drivers, the emotions, all the things that Shawna talks about. Right, anyway, 679 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 1: I'm going to link that work she'd again in the 680 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:42,000 Speaker 1: description of this podcast for you guys, it's free. I 681 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,040 Speaker 1: just think it's like a really good starter and then 682 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:46,920 Speaker 1: obviously I'll put the links to her books too. I'm 683 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,520 Speaker 1: super pumped about her, like I just was really excited 684 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:51,400 Speaker 1: to connect and maybe we'll even have her on to 685 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,160 Speaker 1: do a deeper dive. But check all of that out. 686 00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 1: Look at your emotions behind the way you spend money, 687 00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:01,440 Speaker 1: the whys, like the root causes everything we always talk 688 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:03,200 Speaker 1: about on this podcast. Just do it with money. 689 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:04,560 Speaker 3: So with money. 690 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,320 Speaker 2: And remember, send money to me on my Venmo for 691 00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:11,480 Speaker 2: my destitute mother. You know she said, damn broke, or 692 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:13,040 Speaker 2: I'll just keep it. 693 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:14,360 Speaker 1: Oh lord, if. 694 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,680 Speaker 2: I started giving my venmo instead of my Instagram, you 695 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:20,040 Speaker 2: can follow me on venmo at chip dash doorsh There's. 696 00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:22,360 Speaker 1: A guy I follow on Instagram who gives therapy advice. 697 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,840 Speaker 1: He's like, here's six months, here's things I learned it 698 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,200 Speaker 1: in three years of therapy. In five minutes, and then 699 00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:28,760 Speaker 1: at the end he goes, now, been on me five 700 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:30,440 Speaker 1: dollars and it's this VIMO And I was like, the 701 00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:33,120 Speaker 1: actually's plating, actually brilliant, fucking money. 702 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,520 Speaker 3: So brilliant. I think you sent me that dude before. 703 00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:38,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, I probably have. All Right, Well, you guys go 704 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:40,200 Speaker 1: check out Shauna again. I will put all of her 705 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,720 Speaker 1: info inscription this podcast. You can always email me and 706 00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:45,120 Speaker 1: Chip at the Edge at velvet edge dot com. I 707 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,760 Speaker 1: am also on Instagram at Velvet's Edge Chip. 708 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:51,440 Speaker 3: I'm at Chip doorsh at Chip d O R S 709 00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:51,960 Speaker 3: C H. 710 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:55,720 Speaker 1: And our joint insta for the podcast is at Velvet 711 00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,360 Speaker 1: Edge podcast and we post there a lot, so go 712 00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:00,600 Speaker 1: check it all out. As you guys go into the 713 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:02,400 Speaker 1: weekend and you're living on the edge, I hope you 714 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:03,320 Speaker 1: always remember. 715 00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:05,520 Speaker 3: To act casual. 716 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:09,640 Speaker 1: Bye bye.