1 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:16,240 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. In the Last Days, Gypsy 2 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 1: Rose Blanchard is released from prison eight years after she 3 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 1: convinces her ex to murder her munch Housing by proxy mom. 4 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:34,199 Speaker 1: Her teacher husband whisked her away in a Cadillac Sedan 5 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:40,199 Speaker 1: straight to a budget hotel. I'm Nancy Grace. This is 6 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:42,480 Speaker 1: Crime Stories. Thanks for being with us here at Crime 7 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 1: Stories and at series six sem one eleven. Now, Gypsy 8 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 1: Rose Blanchard has been a conundrum, a mystery for so long. True, 9 00:00:56,280 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 1: she orchestrated the murder of her mother in cold blood. However, 10 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:08,039 Speaker 1: and I think I can count on one hand how 11 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:12,200 Speaker 1: many times I have had a however and a statement 12 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:20,680 Speaker 1: like that. Gypsy Rose Blanchard spent her entire childhood being 13 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:26,960 Speaker 1: forced to pose as a wheelchair bound invalid, her mother 14 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 1: convincing the world this little girl suffered from leukemia and 15 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 1: muscular dystrophy. When I say had to pose as an 16 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 1: invalid and be in a wheelchair, that's not all. Her 17 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 1: mother forced her to undergo multiple surgeries and there was 18 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 1: nothing wrong with her at all. She would let her 19 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 1: go to regular schools, she would not let her interact 20 00:01:57,080 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 1: with other people. She lost her teeth. Her whole childhood 21 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 1: was ruined. Her mother shaved her head, pumped her full 22 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 1: of drugs. It's just terrible. In her mind, the only 23 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:22,919 Speaker 1: way she could get free from her mother is to 24 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:29,360 Speaker 1: convince her deeply in love internet boyfriend creep into their Springfield, 25 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:33,920 Speaker 1: Missouri home and stabbed forty eight year old mom Dedy dead. 26 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 1: She was jailed for ten years for the mattress side 27 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:42,360 Speaker 1: that's murder of your mother, but got early parole after 28 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 1: friends and family and people from all over the country 29 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 1: begged and begged the parole board to take into account 30 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:57,079 Speaker 1: the horrific abuse, the needless operations and procedures she endured 31 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 1: after being parade at charity events and fundraisers, getting money 32 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 1: from all sorts of donors. Just horrible, horrible treatment her 33 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 1: whole childhood. Just think of all the needles, the surgeries, 34 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 1: the infusions, just brutal. 35 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 2: Dd. 36 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 1: Even the mother conned doctors into removing gypsy roses, salivary glands, 37 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 1: I mean, shaving her daughter's head to make it look 38 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 1: as if she had leukemia and was taking treatment for leukemia. 39 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 3: I mean, how. 40 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 1: Did this whole debacle begin. It all goes so far 41 00:03:57,320 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 1: back to the time when the world wept with Gypsy 42 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 1: Blanchard's mother did over the pain her daughter suffered with 43 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 1: leukemia multiple surgeries. The feeding chiefs listened. 44 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 2: It's been a blessing. 45 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 3: People have been so nice to us. 46 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 4: It feels like we finally came home. It is wonderful. 47 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 4: It's so beautiful and. 48 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 5: Happy at home, a home that this family was desperately 49 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:24,159 Speaker 5: in need of. 50 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 1: You are hearing about a brand new home given to 51 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:32,040 Speaker 1: Gypsy Rose Blanchard, the little girl suffering so badly, her mother, 52 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:37,040 Speaker 1: her full time caretaker. This was after Hurricane Katrina devastated 53 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 1: their home, and not only that, Habitat for Humanity steps 54 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 1: in with no home. 55 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:45,800 Speaker 5: And Gypsy Rose battling both muscular dystrophe and leukemia. The scene, 56 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:48,279 Speaker 5: the Royal team went to work securing this rent free 57 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:50,159 Speaker 5: home for the family and cleaning it up. 58 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 4: It just proves that happy endings are not just in 59 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 4: fairy tales. 60 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:55,799 Speaker 6: They're real. 61 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 1: You're hearing the words of Didy. That's Gypsy Blanchard's mother 62 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:06,720 Speaker 1: before she was murdered. That's right, Gypsy's mother, Dede murdered, 63 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 1: stabbed multiple times in her own bed as she lay sleeping. 64 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 1: So what happened to the fairy tale. 65 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 4: I heard her scream once and there was more screaming, 66 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:21,479 Speaker 4: but not like the kind of horror film, just like 67 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 4: a startled scream. And she asked who was it that 68 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 4: was in the bedroom, and she called out to my 69 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 4: name about three or four times. And at that point 70 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 4: I wanted to go help her so bad, but I 71 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:42,279 Speaker 4: was so afraid to get up. And then everything just 72 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 4: went quiet. 73 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 5: Were you excited that your new life was about to begin? 74 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 4: I was excited, but at the same time, it was. 75 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 1: Overwhelming. 76 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:55,719 Speaker 4: Did you feel a rush of joy? It would come 77 00:05:55,720 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 4: in times of happiness, those spurts of happiness, but I 78 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:06,279 Speaker 4: would have breakdowns where I start crying phili for more guilt, 79 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 4: also missing her. 80 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 1: At the same time, you're hearing from our friends at 81 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 1: ABC twenty twenty, and you're hearing from Gypsy Rose Blanchard, 82 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:17,719 Speaker 1: the little girl that we thought had leukemia and so 83 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 1: many other ailments confined to a wheelchair with the mind 84 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:25,279 Speaker 1: of a five year old? What happened? Joining me? In 85 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:29,279 Speaker 1: addition to Joseph Scott Morgan, death investigator, doctor Daniel Bober, 86 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:35,040 Speaker 1: forensic psychiatrist, family lawyer with a personal experience with Munchausen 87 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 1: by proxy, Kathleen Murphy joining us out of North Carolina 88 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 1: right now. To Crime online dot Com investigative reporter John Limley, So, 89 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 1: how did this little girl, Gypsy Blanchard. She's bald from 90 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 1: her leukemia treatment, she's frail, she's pale, she's sickly, she's 91 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 1: confined to a wheelchair. How does she get charged with murder? 92 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:01,599 Speaker 7: For the first few years of her life, Gypsy Rose 93 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 7: Blanchard was this normal toddler, vibrant, full of energy. But 94 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 7: by the time she was eight years old, Dedie had 95 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 7: told Gypsy that she had leukemia, she was paralyzed, she 96 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 7: had muscular dystrophy, and she was also using a wheelchair 97 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 7: and had a feeding tube. Over time, these communities in 98 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 7: which they would live would just embrace the two of them. 99 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 1: Why why, why, why why why why? 100 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 8: White? 101 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 1: I got to ask DODORJ. Bober a question to doctor 102 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 1: Daniel Bober. Of course, you have to become a medical 103 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 1: doctor before you've become a psychiatrist. He is a forensic psychiatrist. 104 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 1: Doctor Daniel Bober, explain to me what is a feeding 105 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 1: tube and how does that work? 106 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 9: Well, a feeding tubebantee can go, you know, obviously down 107 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 9: your throat, or there can even be an incision in 108 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 9: your advent. It's basically for people that cannot take nutrition 109 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 9: by mouth and they're losing weight and they're becoming emaciated, 110 00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 9: and so they require a feeding tube to sustain adequate nutrition. 111 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 1: So you have a feeding to you put down your. 112 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 9: Mouth, down your throat, and what was the other It 113 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 9: could be through a nasogastric tube, or it can be 114 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 9: an incision in your abdomen that actually used the one. 115 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 1: Whoa whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa whoa. Wait a man, look, 116 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 1: I'm just a JD. You're the MD. What did you 117 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 1: just say, don't talk so fast, doctor Bober. 118 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 9: What did you say to Nancy? A nasogastric tube that 119 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 9: goes down your nose and into your stomach, or an 120 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 9: incision in your stomach where the tube is placed where 121 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 9: the nutrition is delivered it directly into this stomach. 122 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 1: Okay, doctor Bober. So this girl has a feeding tube. 123 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 1: Her teeth were falling out. I don't know why your 124 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 1: teeth were falling out. I just assumed it was from 125 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:43,599 Speaker 1: all the chemotherapy and the radiation and everything she was 126 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 1: going through to try and stop the leukemia. What kind 127 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 1: of treatments does a child undergo when they have leukemia? 128 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 1: What does the hospital do to them? 129 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 9: Well, very often they will receive chemotherapy, which is you know, 130 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 9: toxic to pretty much every organ. It's actually very sad 131 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:00,959 Speaker 9: and that you know, the loose keith falling out could 132 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:03,720 Speaker 9: be due to poor oral hygiene, it could be due 133 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 9: to direct toxic effect of direct toxic effects of chemicals 134 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 9: that the mother gave to the child. Because remember these 135 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 9: people that might have Munchausen's by proxy, you know, they're 136 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:17,319 Speaker 9: trying to make their loved one sick and very often themselves, 137 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 9: they will have a history of abuse or marital problems. 138 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 9: They're often healthcare professionals. There's a lot of telltale signs 139 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 9: that we see in the hospital with people like this. 140 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 9: For example, they will never leave the child's side, they 141 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 9: tend to become very close, they have very poor boundaries 142 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 9: with the medical staff. And although it's a rare disorder, 143 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:37,200 Speaker 9: we do see it occasionally and there are definitely some 144 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 9: extreme warning signs. 145 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 7: And Nancy, no one knew at the time, but Dede 146 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 7: was in order to give Gypsy these symptoms and to 147 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 7: make her body just shut down. She was preparing food 148 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 7: for her poisoned with round up weed killer. 149 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 1: Okay, well, well say that one more time. I just 150 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 1: the words round it weed killer caught my attention. What 151 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 1: did you say? 152 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 4: Now? 153 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 7: During this time, Dede was actually, in order to make 154 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 7: her daughter appear as sick as she was saying she was, 155 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 7: when she was preparing meals for her, she would poison 156 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 7: it with roundup weed killer. 157 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 1: In the last days, Gypsy Rose Blanchard walks free from jail, 158 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:27,079 Speaker 1: even sharing anear's eve kiss with her now husband, Ryan 159 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 1: Scott Anderson, claiming, quote, it's really awesome to have family 160 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 1: time after her prison release. Well, she then goes on 161 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 1: to talk about her love life the quote d is 162 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 1: on fire. Gypsy Rose Blanchard fights back at she calls 163 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 1: jealous trolls, revealing she and her husband are having sex 164 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 1: every night after her release from prison for murdering her mother. Well, 165 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:58,440 Speaker 1: I could have done without that bit of information. That's 166 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:01,199 Speaker 1: stuck in my head forever. But another thing that's stuck 167 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 1: in my head forever is all the horrific treatment she 168 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 1: enduured at the hands of her own mother. You know, 169 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:13,439 Speaker 1: it wrought the whole community because so many people have 170 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 1: been involved in trying to help the little girl, Gypsy 171 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:19,200 Speaker 1: Rose Blanchard, who was suffering from so many ailments. And 172 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 1: then bab they find out the mother Dedi has been 173 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 1: murdered and the daughter is gone, has been kidnapped, has 174 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 1: been taken away. Now, if you talk to Gypsy's bio dad, 175 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 1: he said that Dedi Blanchard deserved what she got because 176 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:41,839 Speaker 1: she had been such a horrible, horrible mother. Think about it, 177 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 1: for all the years years she kept her daughter in 178 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 1: a wheelchair, poisoning her, as John Linley tells us, with 179 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:56,079 Speaker 1: roundup weed killer so she would affect the symptoms of 180 00:11:56,240 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 1: leukemia and other deadly ailments. There were constant fundraisers Habitat 181 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 1: for Humanity builds them a new home. She was everyone's cause. 182 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 1: Celab to help Gypsy Rose, the little girl with so 183 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 1: many ailments, food, money, clothing, vehicles, a home. The works 184 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 1: were given to this family to dd the mother until 185 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 1: it all ended. John Linley explained to me what happened. 186 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 1: How was Dede murdered. 187 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 7: When a friend of the Blanchards called police. Police accompanied 188 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:37,320 Speaker 7: this person to the house. Police. Since they didn't have 189 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 7: any sort of paperwork, any sort of search warrant, they 190 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 7: couldn't go in. However, they said the neighbor could. So 191 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:45,959 Speaker 7: the neighbor climbs through a window, goes through the house, 192 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 7: doesn't find anything. Well, meanwhile, paperwork does come through. Police 193 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:52,960 Speaker 7: are able to get into the house and that's when 194 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 7: they find DD's body. She has been stabbed multiple times. 195 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 7: They say it is a brutal scene. 196 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 1: She was stabbed in bad defenseless when she suffered multiple 197 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:09,560 Speaker 1: stab wounds. We're talking about Dede story. The mother of 198 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 1: Gipsy Blanchard joining me right now. Joseph Scott Morgan, professor 199 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 1: of forensics at Jacksonville State University and author of Blood 200 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 1: Beneath My Feet on Amazon. Joe Scott, how do you 201 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 1: tell what happened? I mean, how can detectives specifically medical examiner, 202 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 1: but detectives as well look at this and see these 203 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:33,959 Speaker 1: are not self inflicted stab wounds? 204 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:36,840 Speaker 10: Well, the chance that in the key here is that 205 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 10: you use plural form wounds. It's rather rare that people 206 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:45,840 Speaker 10: will self inflict stab wounds, but that an individual has 207 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 10: unless they're in some kind of frenzied psychotic state. If 208 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 10: an individual has multiple stab wounds, you know that this 209 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 10: is at the hand of another more than likely, also 210 00:13:57,200 --> 00:13:59,559 Speaker 10: This kind of frenzied killing that you see like this 211 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:03,960 Speaker 10: is many times what we refer to as an overkill. 212 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 10: I think what's particularly interesting about this case, Nancy, is 213 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:13,439 Speaker 10: that the room apparently is saturated, the bed in particular saturated. 214 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:15,839 Speaker 10: We'd get an idea that the event took place here 215 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 10: and solely here. And then on top of that, she's 216 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 10: been down several days. Apparently she's in a moderate early 217 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 10: stages of decomposition at this point as well. 218 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 1: I wonder why Gypsy's father, says, DEDI deserved it. 219 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 6: Listen, Now she got older, Deedie tells me that she's 220 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 6: trying to get her this part monitor that she'd have 221 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 6: to wear while she slept because she stopped breathing in 222 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 6: her sleep, and she or she'd have seizures in the 223 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 6: middle of the night, and she was sung. She was 224 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 6: bringing her for test and everything, and that she had 225 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 6: sleep out there. She acted so scared she wouldn't even 226 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 6: leave her with me for an hour or anything, so 227 00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 6: she was spit there all the time. I thought she 228 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 6: was the best mom in the world. When Gypsy was 229 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 6: around full five six, Dedi started telling me that she's 230 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 6: got some problems with her eyes. 231 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 1: Seizures. 232 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 6: She would say that the seizures would affect her eyes, 233 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 6: so they would conduct the surgery where they would straighten 234 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 6: her eye out, and then she would have another seizure 235 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 6: in her eye would get crooked again. Dede was telling 236 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 6: me that when she'd have these seizures it would knock 237 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 6: her back mentally. 238 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 1: A couple of years you are hearing from Gypsy's father, 239 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 1: Rod Blanchard, describing how Dede the mother told him their 240 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 1: daughter was having severe seizures and all of her ailments. 241 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 1: But how did it end in murder two? Just Scott Morgan, 242 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 1: We've talked about the physicalities of the murder, but it 243 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 1: would be very, very difficult, I think for Gypsy herself 244 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 1: to pull it off unless she attacked her mom in 245 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 1: the middle of the night in her sleep. I want 246 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 1: to talk about the mother for a moment. Doctor Daniel Biber, 247 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 1: forensic psychiatrist join us US. Doctor Bober, I've dealt with 248 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 1: many cases where the mother has Munchausen by proxy. Now 249 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 1: this is what I understand it to be in lay terms. 250 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 1: Before you start speeding at warp speed before me. Munchausen 251 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 1: disease is named after Baron von Munchausen, and in our 252 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 1: common parlance, it is when you draw attention to yourself 253 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 1: by faking ailments. And some people go to great extremes 254 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 1: to fake ailments to get attention. All right, that seems 255 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 1: a little benign, you know, Oh, I'm hurting. 256 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 10: Why why? 257 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:36,440 Speaker 1: But people go to all kind of crazy extremes like 258 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 1: faking cancer, shaving their head, putting themselves in wheelchairs, setting 259 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 1: up fake go fund Me accounts, the works. Munchausen by 260 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 1: proxy is when you make somebody else upear sick so 261 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 1: you get attention as the caregiver. And most recently we 262 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 1: had salt Salt mom who would give huge amounts of 263 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 1: salt in her child feeding tube which he didn't need, 264 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 1: by the way, or his intravenous tube, and it would 265 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 1: put him in great pain till he died. And she 266 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 1: was a mommy blogger talking about all she went through 267 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:15,920 Speaker 1: taking care of him and what she was suffering watching 268 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 1: him suffer. This child was in so much pain he 269 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 1: would rear up off the hospital bed in convulsions of 270 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 1: pain as she sat there and watched. That's an example 271 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:30,359 Speaker 1: of Munchausen by proxy. Oh, doctor bobra, I remember another 272 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:33,399 Speaker 1: case where a mom would feed the child poison in 273 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 1: their soup and their oatmeal, and they caught them on video. 274 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:40,200 Speaker 1: That caught the mom doing it on video. Now that's 275 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 1: my interpretation of Munchausen by proxy. You tell me so. 276 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:49,400 Speaker 9: The clinical term for Munchausen by proxy is called factitious 277 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:52,679 Speaker 9: disorder by another And what it means is is that 278 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 9: you're playing the sick role, or in the case of 279 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 9: Munchausen by proxy, you're giving someone else an illness purely 280 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 9: for attention, pure really to play the sick role, which 281 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 9: is contrasted with malingering, which we see in people who 282 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:09,159 Speaker 9: are antisocial, whether they're lingering for money or malingering to 283 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 9: stay out of prison. It's purely for secondary game. So 284 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 9: the illness itself serves. 285 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:27,800 Speaker 3: The role of getting attention, and that is the whole point. 286 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 1: Prime stories with Nancy Grace Gypsy Rose Blanchard walks free. 287 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 1: Many people thought she should never have gone to jail 288 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:43,560 Speaker 1: at all for the murder of her tortuous mother d 289 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:48,440 Speaker 1: d after literally years of abusing her child in the 290 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:49,200 Speaker 1: worst way. 291 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 9: Your moms did, Okay, Now what I want. 292 00:18:53,119 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 8: To ask you passed away? Okay, she's deased, right, Yeah, 293 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:07,439 Speaker 8: what happened with your mom that night? 294 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 9: Why don't you do? 295 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 8: I have no debt that you loved your. 296 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:20,919 Speaker 3: Why did they? 297 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:27,640 Speaker 1: You are hearing? Just then, Gypsy Rose blanched herself by 298 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 1: a Walkershaw County, Wisconsin deputy sheriff talking to her trying 299 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 1: to find out how her mom DEDI ends up stabbed 300 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:41,200 Speaker 1: multiple times in a frenzy, dead in her own bed, 301 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 1: but then another figure emergency. 302 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 2: Nicholas, Nicholas, something different, I prefer Usually by my family, 303 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 2: I would be called Nicholas, but my friends and other people. 304 00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 1: What would you like for me to call you? 305 00:19:58,040 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 8: When I'm talking? 306 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:02,119 Speaker 3: And so? 307 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:04,200 Speaker 1: Was that the first time that your mom ever met 308 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 1: your girlfriend? Okay? I guess she's your girlfriend? 309 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:09,360 Speaker 5: You love her? 310 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 7: Oh? 311 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 4: Do I have her? 312 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:13,920 Speaker 2: So we're going to go down two paths here, okay, 313 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:16,399 Speaker 2: And that is just You're going to have to be 314 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:19,439 Speaker 2: honest with me, because if you love her, if you 315 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:22,720 Speaker 2: love Gypsy, then you're not going to let Gypsy get 316 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 2: in trouble without. 317 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 3: You being there to help her. Okay. 318 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:28,440 Speaker 8: Do you want to. 319 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:31,680 Speaker 1: Do the right thing by Gypsy? 320 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:35,360 Speaker 11: If you love her, I. 321 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:41,159 Speaker 10: Wouldn't do it, I know you, says Okay, I'll mend it. 322 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 11: I did it, actually, step I love I. 323 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 3: Okay. 324 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 4: The only reason I did is because I did it 325 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:51,840 Speaker 4: for me and the other reason I did. 326 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 8: I would have never. 327 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 1: Did it if it was not for me and her. Okay, 328 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 1: you're hearing from the investigation Discovery documentary Gypsy's Revenge. That's 329 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:06,639 Speaker 1: Gypsy's boyfriend speaking being interviewed by a walkshowcunt in Wisconsin 330 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:12,359 Speaker 1: Deputy sheriff investigator. How in the world, John Linley crimeonline 331 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:16,199 Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter, did this girl who has been 332 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 1: in a wheelchair with her head shaved and a feeding 333 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:22,679 Speaker 1: tube meet a boyfriend? How did that happen? 334 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:26,639 Speaker 7: Nancy, as hard as DDI may have tried to keep 335 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:31,119 Speaker 7: Gypsy as a little girl, she had, of course, over 336 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 7: time become a woman, and as she got older, Gypsy 337 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 7: became curious about life outside the little pink house that 338 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 7: she shared with her mom. As time went on, ded 339 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 7: began exerting more and more control over her, But behind 340 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 7: her back, Gypsy was able to create an online dating profile. 341 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 7: She eventually connected with this young man, Nicholas go to John, 342 00:21:57,320 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 7: a man from Big Bend, Wisconsin. The two fell in 343 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:04,960 Speaker 7: love and had a secret online relationship for about two 344 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 7: and a half years. 345 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:09,919 Speaker 1: Two and a half years. It's amazing to me she 346 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 1: could do anything secret at all from her mother. Take 347 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 1: a listen to this. 348 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 4: I'm not sure all the names of the medication that 349 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:20,439 Speaker 4: my mom was making me take, but there was a 350 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:24,360 Speaker 4: lot of ones that basically just put me under. 351 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:25,240 Speaker 1: A sedative state. 352 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:30,360 Speaker 4: The medications did affect my teeth. They started to deteriorate 353 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 4: and some of them had to be extracted. I have 354 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:39,639 Speaker 4: many many surgeries. I've had my salinary glands removed because 355 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 4: my mother said that I drooled. I had a feeding 356 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:49,120 Speaker 4: two placement in my tummy. I had multiple eye surgeries 357 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 4: on my right and left eye, ear surgeries, a muscle 358 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:58,920 Speaker 4: biopsy need to find out why my legs didn't work, 359 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 4: and a surgery to me not throw up anymore. 360 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:07,119 Speaker 1: John Linley with me Crime online dot Com investigative reporter. 361 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 1: I don't know how she could have any secret relationship 362 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 1: online if she was under all those medications and undergoing 363 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 1: all those surgeries. As a matter of fact, though, isn't 364 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:23,879 Speaker 1: it true that at one point Gypsy the Little Girl 365 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:25,960 Speaker 1: managed to run away? 366 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 10: She did. 367 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:32,240 Speaker 7: In fact, she appeared at a neighbor's door standing on 368 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:35,119 Speaker 7: her own, which was a big shock to the neighbor, 369 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:39,439 Speaker 7: saying that she needed to get to a bus station 370 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:42,439 Speaker 7: because she wanted to go meet the man she loved. 371 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 1: Well, apparently the mother Dedi Blanchard caught her, brought her home, 372 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:53,879 Speaker 1: chained her to a bed, starved her, and told all 373 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 1: the friends and relations that Gypsy was lying so they 374 00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:01,359 Speaker 1: would not help her. Listen to what kind of mom? 375 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:02,080 Speaker 1: Was she. 376 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 4: Very protective? 377 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:09,960 Speaker 2: Do you think she protected you? 378 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:10,280 Speaker 1: No? 379 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 4: Not in certain ways yes and other ways No. I 380 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 4: think that she was very sick in her mind for 381 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:23,440 Speaker 4: a long time. I believe like we were best friends. 382 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:26,119 Speaker 4: And when I was younger, she was my best friend. 383 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 2: She was your only friend, yes. 384 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:32,119 Speaker 4: Other than my stuffed animals. And so I thought that 385 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:35,399 Speaker 4: she was a great mother, no complaints. We got along 386 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:36,960 Speaker 4: so perfect. 387 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:37,359 Speaker 2: You know. 388 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 4: I saw her as an angel that can do no wrong. 389 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:45,040 Speaker 4: What happens when she got upset with you? It would 390 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 4: go into an argument that would last a couple days, 391 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:51,359 Speaker 4: or it could be something where she wouldn't feed me 392 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:53,440 Speaker 4: for two days or so. 393 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:55,119 Speaker 12: Was she ever physical with you? 394 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:59,120 Speaker 4: It started to be physical in twenty eleven. She would 395 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 4: hit me with the coat hanger sometimes. Did you ever 396 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:06,760 Speaker 4: fight back now because I was too afraid to. 397 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 5: Gypsy says she did try and run away once, but 398 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 5: Dedie found her a few hours later. 399 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 4: She physically changed me to the physically changed me to 400 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:19,399 Speaker 4: the bed and put bells on the doors, and told 401 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:23,639 Speaker 4: anybody that I probably would have trusted that I was 402 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 4: going through a phase and to tell her if I 403 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 4: was doing anything behind her back. 404 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 2: Did you ever consider in a public place, if you 405 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:38,440 Speaker 2: stood up out of your wheelchair and walked, Dede's fraud 406 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 2: would be completely exposed. 407 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:43,320 Speaker 4: I honestly didn't think about that. 408 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 5: It never crossed your mind. 409 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 4: No, I was always so afraid of her, afraid of 410 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 4: the consequences after. 411 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:56,879 Speaker 1: You were hearing Gypsy herself speaking on ABC's twenty twenty 412 00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:01,760 Speaker 1: describing being chained to the bad by her mother the 413 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:07,679 Speaker 1: one time she did get away to Joseph Scott Morgan 414 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:11,560 Speaker 1: joining me forensics expert, death investigator and author of Blood 415 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:17,399 Speaker 1: Beneath My Feet on Amazon. Jo Scott, I find it 416 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:22,960 Speaker 1: very difficult to take in that this girl who went 417 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,720 Speaker 1: through all this torture at the hands of her own 418 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:32,879 Speaker 1: mother for so many years, actually is doing hard time 419 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 1: for her mother's death. Is there a way to prove 420 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 1: the child is chained to the bed. 421 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,520 Speaker 10: Yeah, I think that there would be, particularly if she 422 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:45,280 Speaker 10: had if it was a chronic status that she was in. 423 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:48,960 Speaker 10: Let's say, for instance, she was bound around her ankles 424 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 10: or her wrist, and there's scarring that might in fact 425 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:58,639 Speaker 10: be consistent with having had this area upbraided over a 426 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:03,680 Speaker 10: long period of time. Might be evidences there. In addition, 427 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 10: in addition to this, just litany of other things that 428 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:14,880 Speaker 10: have been perpetrated upon the young girl. You can tie 429 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,639 Speaker 10: that back with all this other history that we have, 430 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,600 Speaker 10: and it paints a very very grim picture. 431 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 1: So I'm not understanding to John Linley, Crime online dot 432 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:29,880 Speaker 1: Com investigative reporter, how did Gypsy the Little Girl end 433 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:33,400 Speaker 1: up behind bars for many many years? 434 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 7: Gypsy and Nicholas go to John decided to finally meet 435 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:41,359 Speaker 7: in person for the first time in March of twenty 436 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,880 Speaker 7: fifteen at a movie theater. She was dressed as Cinderella, 437 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:48,800 Speaker 7: he as Prince Charming, and it seems that very soon 438 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 7: thereafter in their communications online, there was a plot going. 439 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 7: At that point, Gypsy said she had had enough. She 440 00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:00,760 Speaker 7: didn't hate her mother, but she wanted her mother dead. 441 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:04,800 Speaker 7: So they began plotting a time that he could come 442 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:08,639 Speaker 7: into the house while Dedee was taking Gypsy to a 443 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:13,640 Speaker 7: routine hospital appointment. And that's where go to John lay 444 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:18,480 Speaker 7: in wait for the time that Gypsy could give him 445 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:21,000 Speaker 7: the signal that her mother had gone to sleep. 446 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 1: Prime Stories with Nancy Grace. After a nation wide campaign, 447 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:49,000 Speaker 1: Gypsy Rose Blanchard walked free from jail after orchestrating the 448 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:53,520 Speaker 1: murder of her own mother. But that's not the whole story. 449 00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 4: It wasn't until I saw my attorney for the first 450 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:02,200 Speaker 4: time and he tells me that there's been no medical 451 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,680 Speaker 4: records that says I have cancer, and it shocked me. 452 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:14,400 Speaker 4: I don't have cancer, concuse me so much, So what 453 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:19,480 Speaker 4: other illnesses don't I have? He tells me. For the 454 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:23,160 Speaker 4: most part, he thinks I'm perfectly healthy and that a 455 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:27,040 Speaker 4: lot of this is made up. I was happy to 456 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:30,720 Speaker 4: know that I'm perfectly healthy, but at the same time, 457 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 4: it hurt because it's like my whole world had been 458 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:37,560 Speaker 4: tossed up, and I realized that my mother wasn't who 459 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 4: I thought she was. 460 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:42,360 Speaker 1: You are hearing from the investigation Discovery Special Gypsy's Revenge. 461 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 1: She had no idea Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina family lawyer, 462 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,480 Speaker 1: that she was perfectly healthy. 463 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:54,680 Speaker 11: It is a matter of dependency and isolation. I saw 464 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:59,800 Speaker 11: it firsthand with a foster child, whereby the only person 465 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:03,240 Speaker 11: this little boy had that he could depend on was 466 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 11: his mother, and she isolated him and made him dependent 467 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 11: and love only her for the attention. And it was 468 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:13,240 Speaker 11: such a paris of source in this little boy's life 469 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:16,160 Speaker 11: that he could never believe that his own mother would 470 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:17,320 Speaker 11: hold him, and she did. 471 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:19,360 Speaker 1: It's just so hard for me to take it in 472 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:23,480 Speaker 1: to doctor Daniel Bober, forensic psychiatrist and medical doctor, I 473 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:26,959 Speaker 1: guess you know, having been fed round up weed killer 474 00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:34,080 Speaker 1: and going through the grueling regimen of chemotherapy radiation all 475 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:38,000 Speaker 1: those years, being fed through a feeding tube, not really 476 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:42,280 Speaker 1: getting real food, and being brainwashed by your own mother, 477 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:44,760 Speaker 1: I guess she did believe it, Yes. 478 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 9: And Nancy, not only the physical changes that occur, but 479 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:50,000 Speaker 9: the psychological change is almost the same way that sort 480 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:54,120 Speaker 9: of the Stockholm syndrome where hostages sort of come to 481 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 9: become emotionally dependent on their captors. It's a very similar phenomenon. 482 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:01,880 Speaker 1: I'm not sure how she tricked the hospitals, doctor Bober, 483 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 1: how could you pull that off. I do know this 484 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,360 Speaker 1: isn't it true? John Linley. She wouldn't allow Gypsy to 485 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,480 Speaker 1: speak to the doctors. She was the one that always 486 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:10,360 Speaker 1: talked to the doctors. 487 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,880 Speaker 7: Absolutely. In fact, she would not leave the room if 488 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 7: outside people were with her daughter. She kept her right there. 489 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:23,880 Speaker 7: In fact, she would. Gypsy has said that she would 490 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:28,160 Speaker 7: always hold Gypsy's hand, and if Gypsy ever hinted that 491 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 7: she might not be as sick as her mom said 492 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:35,120 Speaker 7: she was, her mom would squeeze her hand tighter and 493 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:39,840 Speaker 7: tighter until she just shut up. Essentially wow wow. 494 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:44,520 Speaker 1: We also know that many records were lost in Katrina. 495 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:49,040 Speaker 1: According to D. D Blanche d. The mother so she'll 496 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 1: hospital hop she'll go from hospitals affected by Katrina, relocate 497 00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,680 Speaker 1: with a sick daughter and say all the records had 498 00:31:57,720 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 1: been lost. So, doctor Bober, how do you fake l 499 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:01,800 Speaker 1: what's an even strike doctors? 500 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:05,160 Speaker 9: Because doctors are not looking for it. They assume again 501 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,160 Speaker 9: that when a mother tells them what's going on, they 502 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,120 Speaker 9: get by default, instant credibility. Only when you start to 503 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,400 Speaker 9: see some of these suspicious things like the mother never 504 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:15,440 Speaker 9: leaving the side and the mother always wanting to be 505 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,160 Speaker 9: involved in all the conversations with the medical staff and 506 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:21,320 Speaker 9: just the numerous ailments and no explanation, do you start 507 00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:24,560 Speaker 9: to become suspicious. And I've actually been involved in investigations 508 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:26,920 Speaker 9: in this sort of thing where they'll actually put, you know, 509 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:31,000 Speaker 9: cameras in the room under police investigation for the court 510 00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:34,480 Speaker 9: order to actually observe the parent trying to make the 511 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:36,440 Speaker 9: child ill by poisoning them with something. 512 00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:37,520 Speaker 10: So it happens. 513 00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:39,240 Speaker 9: It's just very rare, and I don't think a lot 514 00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:40,440 Speaker 9: of doctors are looking for it. 515 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,600 Speaker 1: Take a listen to this. Gypsy Rose and boyfriend Nicholas 516 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:45,200 Speaker 1: go to John questioned. 517 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:46,840 Speaker 2: So Gypsy knew you were going to kill her mother 518 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:48,320 Speaker 2: because Gipsy asked you too. 519 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:50,400 Speaker 1: Why does she ask you to do that? 520 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:51,560 Speaker 12: Did you kill your mom? 521 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,080 Speaker 4: Did you help your. 522 00:32:56,760 --> 00:33:02,240 Speaker 8: Did you have knowledge of the house kill your mom? 523 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:03,520 Speaker 10: Okay, good morning. 524 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,440 Speaker 12: I want to specify at the beginning of this press 525 00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 12: conference that says this is an ongoing investigation. The prosecutor 526 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:16,160 Speaker 12: has filed charges this morning for first degree murder on 527 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:20,720 Speaker 12: two suspects. We're still investigating the extent of the relationship, 528 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,600 Speaker 12: but it has been referred to as boyfriend girlfriend. 529 00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:28,520 Speaker 1: I wonder to Joseph Scott Morgan. Why the doctors that 530 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:34,320 Speaker 1: mistreated them, mistreated Gypsy aren't being sued. I mean, how 531 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,000 Speaker 1: could they not know that she was healthy? 532 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,680 Speaker 10: Yeah, that is a big question. Doctor Bober was mentioning 533 00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:47,240 Speaker 10: that doctors don't always look they're not they're not criminal investigators. 534 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:50,200 Speaker 10: They're not looking to tie things back from this perspective. 535 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,720 Speaker 10: They're generally looking at some kind of natural disease process 536 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:58,560 Speaker 10: or maybe acute trauma and trying to define it that way. 537 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:02,719 Speaker 10: We had mentioned her being a bed earlier. Doctor is 538 00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:04,880 Speaker 10: not going to look at these scars on the wrist 539 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:08,800 Speaker 10: and just automatically assume, remember these people are not forensic pathologists, 540 00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:12,520 Speaker 10: and automatically assumed that there is chronic habitual abuse in 541 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:13,360 Speaker 10: this family going on. 542 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:16,600 Speaker 1: John Lemley, Crime online dot Com investigative reporter, what do 543 00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:17,680 Speaker 1: you know about the doctors? 544 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:23,000 Speaker 7: There was one doctor, a pediatric neurologist named doctor Flasterstein, 545 00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:27,959 Speaker 7: who believed Gypsy was fully capable of walking on her own, 546 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:31,160 Speaker 7: and he actually wrote in his notes that he suspected 547 00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:35,200 Speaker 7: Munchausen by proxy. Says it was only the second such 548 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:38,799 Speaker 7: possible case he had ever come across. He learned of 549 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:42,200 Speaker 7: Dede's murder at the hands of Gypsy and Nicholas. Go 550 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:45,440 Speaker 7: to John later when a former nurse emailed him the 551 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,480 Speaker 7: news story and he said, poor Gypsy, she suffered all 552 00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:51,360 Speaker 7: those years and for absolutely no reason. 553 00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:54,560 Speaker 1: Is it true, John Lemley, that Gypsy Blanchard is the 554 00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:58,359 Speaker 1: Wisconsin man now charged in the murder of d d Blanchard. 555 00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:03,239 Speaker 1: That's murder. One says that he fills his ex girlfriend 556 00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:08,120 Speaker 1: Gypsy Blanchard used him to get rid of her mother. 557 00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:14,000 Speaker 1: The charges would result in life behind bars. Go to 558 00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:18,840 Speaker 1: John from Big Ben, Wisconsin's charged with first degree murder 559 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:23,719 Speaker 1: in the death and armed criminal action for allegedly stabbing 560 00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:29,120 Speaker 1: and killing forty eight year old Dedy Blanchard. He claims 561 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,160 Speaker 1: he loved Gypsy to the point where he would do 562 00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:37,120 Speaker 1: anything to save her from her mother. In the last days, 563 00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:44,400 Speaker 1: Gypsy Rose Blanchard is released from prison eight years after 564 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:49,360 Speaker 1: she convinces her ex to murder her munch Housing by proxy. 565 00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:50,000 Speaker 8: Mom. 566 00:35:51,640 --> 00:36:00,520 Speaker 1: Gypsy Rose Blanchard finally free. Goodbye for you.