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Speaker 1: Visit SWBC dot com. Now your host, Shannon Gross, I'm

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Speaker 1: on one oh five three in How you doing? Zach

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Speaker 1: doing fantastic? How are you Shanning? I am doing great, man.

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Speaker 1: I'm also joined in studio at the Star by my

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Speaker 1: co worker and friend in real life, Kyle Yeoman's how

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Speaker 1: you doing? Kyle? You called me a friend. I'm so honored. Yeah, man,

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Speaker 1: I love that. No, I'm doing great. This is a

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Speaker 1: ton of fun, and I mean I'm I've been on

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Speaker 1: the nosebleed seats a number of times because Zach and

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Speaker 1: I are buddies as well. So uh yeah, we're taking

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Speaker 1: up that first hour of time, I guess yep. And

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Speaker 1: then we are also joined by a very special guest,

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Speaker 1: Tony Casillas. How are you, Tony? Guys, I'm doing great.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for having me, you beat man? Where you're going,

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Speaker 1: I'm so glad you're on the show tonight because I

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Speaker 1: there's been a lot of talk going around about the defense,

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Speaker 1: and let you know what, Let's don't let's don't delay.

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Speaker 1: Let's just get right into it. Tony, what is going

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Speaker 1: on with this defense? Man? What are you seeing? So

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Speaker 1: I'm all, I'm all all about getting right into its

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Speaker 1: right business. You guys don't want to talk to debate.

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Speaker 1: I know that's on tonight, but we need a debate.

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Speaker 1: What's going on with the Dallas Cowboys defense? You know,

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Speaker 1: I think I'm the surprise as much as anyone. I

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Speaker 1: think every year we speculate, we're very excited about what

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Speaker 1: the year may bring. We've seen some of the changes

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Speaker 1: have been made. New head coach, new excuse me, new

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Speaker 1: defensive coordinator, obviously new offensive coordinator. But was there last year,

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Speaker 1: So I think there was a lot of expectations. I

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Speaker 1: think the problem is is that I don't think that

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Speaker 1: we expected them to the energy aspect of it, if

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Speaker 1: you will, The playing soft is DeMarcus Lawrence referred to

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Speaker 1: earlier this week, and just to give up that many points,

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Speaker 1: and look, anytime you give up three hundred yards rushing

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Speaker 1: Oldell Beckham Jr. Which to me should have ever happened.

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Speaker 1: I think it's very perplexing. I just think that when

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Speaker 1: you go in the season, you have these expectations. You

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Speaker 1: don't realize what you have until you get there, and

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Speaker 1: especially in the secondary. I think you look at the secondary,

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Speaker 1: to me, they're young. I mean, they don't have a

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Speaker 1: surprise is up front. I you know, look, I'm all

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Speaker 1: for giving guys an opportunity to get their rhythm going

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Speaker 1: and let them get three or four games in their belt.

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Speaker 1: And we can all talk about this COVID, but every

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Speaker 1: other team in the National Football League is having to

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Speaker 1: teams in the National Football League that are bawling on

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Speaker 1: the defensive side. So now I think they just need

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Speaker 1: to find a way to pivot. And honestly, guys, right now,

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Speaker 1: they are just not that good from top to bottom.

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Speaker 1: And we can start whichever position you want to because

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Speaker 1: we don't know. We have about an hour at thirty minute.

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Speaker 1: the biggest disappointment has to be the pass rush. You know,

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Speaker 1: And I'm surprised are waiting, you know, at this point

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Speaker 1: I And look, guys take to hit criticism. Guys love

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Speaker 1: expect big results. I'm sorry. It's a big boy league.

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Speaker 1: And to take it another you know step further, when

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Speaker 1: your takeaways so far? Well, I think Tony said it

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Speaker 1: well just being and you gotta you gotta call you know,

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Speaker 1: of guys are top ten quarterbacks in the National Football

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Speaker 1: League or above average. They're pretty good. And that's where

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Speaker 1: Dak Prescott is now. It's just now, it's just about

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Speaker 1: what's going to happen this point for you know, how

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Speaker 1: they're gonna get better. They're gonna give up forty points

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Speaker 1: a game. I mean that is going to be the

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Speaker 1: caveat to this whole picture him. But I agree with

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Speaker 1: you guys, they should pay them. Kyle. This team is

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Speaker 1: carried over from last year, you got a new coaching staff.

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Speaker 1: You kind of expected the offense to come out, high

436
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Speaker 1: powered offense and start quick. They've been getting behind early

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Speaker 1: in games, would largely due to turnovers. What do you

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Speaker 1: think they need to do to jump start this thing

439
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Speaker 1: to get out get ahead of a team and not

440
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Speaker 1: have to play from behind every game? And that the question,

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Speaker 1: that's the million dollar question right now. I mean if

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Speaker 1: we could answer that immediately, we would be on the

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Speaker 1: coaching staff most likely. But I think whenever you talk

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Speaker 1: about this offense, they're good enough to get out early.

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Speaker 1: We saw it in Cleveland game. I mean they were

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Speaker 1: down seven and nothing. Cleveland came down and really smacked

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Speaker 1: him in the mouth early, got on the board seven nothing,

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Speaker 1: and then almost in an instant, Dallas was back up

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Speaker 1: fourteen to seven. But that's when you don't take your

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Speaker 1: foot off the gas and you don't start pressing. You

451
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Speaker 1: just keep doing what you're doing. You stick with the

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Speaker 1: game plan. We saw it also in the Atlanta game,

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Speaker 1: whenever they were down already, you stuck with your game plan,

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Speaker 1: you continue to run the ball efficiently with Zeke, you

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Speaker 1: allowed it to open up the play action pass and

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Speaker 1: then ultimately the comeback happened. And by the way, kind

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Speaker 1: of going off at Tony's point about Dak Prescott, I

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Speaker 1: don't think without Dak Prescott you're in those games at all.

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Speaker 1: I don't think these end up being blowouts and not

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Speaker 1: even just close games that you're having to come back.

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Speaker 1: There's no comeback without Dak Prescott. For all of those

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Speaker 1: saying that they're empty stats, those empty stats are there,

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Speaker 1: quote unquote empty stats are there for a reason because

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Speaker 1: he's able to lead them back. But I think early

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Speaker 1: on you got to hold onto the football. Like Tony said,

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Speaker 1: you can't give your defense short fields because other teams,

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00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:01,359
Speaker 1: good teams are rather are going to take advantage of that.

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Speaker 1: And you've played four good teams to start the year.

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Speaker 1: They took advantage of it. And that's really been the

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Speaker 1: difference in this offense being categorized as one of the

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Speaker 1: best starts in history versus a one in three starts.

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Speaker 1: All Right, fellas, let's take our next break. When we

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Speaker 1: come back. The Giants are coming to town. We'll talk

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Speaker 1: about that, Tony. I want to get your take on

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Speaker 1: what you think about this coaching staff so far, both offensively,

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Speaker 1: defensively and special teams. We're not used to this aggressive

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Speaker 1: play calling here in Dallas for the last eight ten years. Like,

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Speaker 1: I want to know what you think as a former player,

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Speaker 1: like do you like it? Do you not like it?

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Speaker 1: Do they need to tap the brakes a little bit.

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Speaker 1: We'll get into all that and a little bit more

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Speaker 1: when we come back. You're listening to Cowboys Cross Talk

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Speaker 1: on the Dallas Cowboys Radio Network to VC Mortgages, Cowboys

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Speaker 1: Cross Talk back to SWBC Mortgages, Cowboys Cross Talk about

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Speaker 1: broadcasting live from Dallas Cowboys World Headquarters at the Star

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Speaker 1: in Frisco. This is my office. This is my old

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Speaker 1: man temple. This is the stuff that I look at

488
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Speaker 1: and remind myself, Hey, I used to do something. You need.

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Speaker 1: It's all old man. It looks good man, it looks

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Speaker 1: it look you look good for an old guy too.

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Speaker 1: By the way, Hey, I appreciate that you well. Hey,

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Speaker 1: so can I just tell you something I got very

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Speaker 1: humbled yesterday. I'm played in the golf tournament up in Oklahoma.

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Speaker 1: Supporting various switzers sooners in need, and we played at

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Speaker 1: the Ou Golf Course, which is a fabulous, unbelievable golf course. Well,

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00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 1: I'm playing with the four other guys are pretty good golfers,

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Speaker 1: and as I mentioned, I just had a knee replacements,

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Speaker 1: so I hadn't played in golfs. I really wasn't gonna

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00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:55,479
Speaker 1: just gonna chip and putt and all that. So about

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Speaker 1: three holes into the round, the guy said, hey, Tony,

501
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 1: you can hit from the up teas because of your age.

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00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, that's what I'm like. Damn, I'm a

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Speaker 1: leakity blank. And the bad thing about it, I was

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00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 1: up about fifty forty yards, but I couldn't hit the

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00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 1: damn fairway. So it didn't really matter anyway, but that hurt. Man.

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Speaker 1: If we were it's all good, Hey man, it's all good.

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00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 1: We'd hug it out if we were allowed to be

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Speaker 1: in person. So before I get your take on this,

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Speaker 1: Tony Zach, I want to throw it to you. There's

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Speaker 1: been some I'm not complaining. We complained the last eight

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00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 1: years about play calling and how predictable the game was

512
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 1: and things like that, So I'm not I'm not complaining

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00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 1: at all some of our fans, I'm just gonna say,

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00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 1: you know, be careful what you wish for. You know,

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Speaker 1: this has been in a very very aggressive play calling season.

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Speaker 1: What's your take so far on the play calling in

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Speaker 1: any aspect. I like being aggressive. I think it's a

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Speaker 1: welcome change here from the previous regime. And we'll get

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00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 1: to see a little bit of how that works on

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00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 1: Sunday with the offensive coordinator the New York Giants and

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Speaker 1: kind of how lack of aggressive he might be. But

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Speaker 1: I like it. I mean, even in the Atlanta game,

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Speaker 1: I loved the first decision for the fake punt. You know,

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Speaker 1: the execution was just poor, but the play call was right.

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Speaker 1: You know, if Chris Jones makes a better throw, that's

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Speaker 1: a conversion and you end up moving the chains there

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Speaker 1: at midfield. Now the second one you can go ahead

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00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 1: and second guest a little bit. On a fourth and five,

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00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 1: you kind of run it up there for three yards.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that I love that one, but overall,

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Speaker 1: I'm for it. I like being aggressive. I like keeping

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Speaker 1: the opposition on their heels. And you know, you saw

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Speaker 1: at work with that fourth down supersonic laser blast, that

534
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 1: dak through to Amari Cooper for the touchdown was beautiful.

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Speaker 1: So to me, it's a welcome change, and I think

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Speaker 1: that's something that this coaching staff. There's certainly some negatives,

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Speaker 1: as we've pointed out so far, but that's something that's

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Speaker 1: been a positive for the first month of the season

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Speaker 1: for me. Kyle thoughts, Yeah, same thing. I don't think

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Speaker 1: you want to have a conservative play caller whenever you're

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Speaker 1: in crucial moments of the game like that. And I

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Speaker 1: agree with Zach whenever you talk about even special teams wise,

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Speaker 1: some of the quote unquote blunders that you've had throughout

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00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 1: the first four weeks of the sieves and could have

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00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 1: very easily been highlights from a special team's perspective if

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00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 1: you just execute a little bit better. And maybe that

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00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:19,319
Speaker 1: comes with time. Maybe. I mean, I think already the

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00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 1: offense has learned from the aggressive play calling. Look at

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Speaker 1: what they did against Cleveland. Three straight touchdowns, three straight

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Speaker 1: converted two point tries afterwards, Even going back to the

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Speaker 1: first couple of weeks of the season, you didn't really

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Speaker 1: have a ton of success with a two point conversion

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Speaker 1: and they were able to do that, and three straight

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Speaker 1: drives against Cleveland. I think the aggressiveness is going to

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00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 1: pay off, and ultimately they'll get used to it as

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Speaker 1: the season goes along. Tony as a player, do you

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Speaker 1: appreciate the aggressiveness if you were on this team or

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00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 1: you like, yeah, let's let's go for it, man, let's

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Speaker 1: do it. Are you like, oh, if this doesn't work,

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00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:53,360
Speaker 1: we've got it, We're in a hole? Like how do

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Speaker 1: you what's the point? It's like any play, it's the

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00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 1: more aggressive you are, we'll be aggressive. But if you

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00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 1: guys don't make play, we're not gonna dial up a blitz.

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00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:04,720
Speaker 1: We're not gonna you know, we're not gonna gamble and

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Speaker 1: go forward on fourth and five because incidentally, I don't

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Speaker 1: know they may be going forward on fourth and tenth

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00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 1: or defense can't play any better, and so that's kind

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Speaker 1: of an indictment on how there's not much confidence in them.

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Speaker 1: But I mean, without a doubt, offensively, I the play

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Speaker 1: can has been really good. I mean Kellen Moore or

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Speaker 1: whoever you know, mine McCarty's got his thumbprint. I think

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00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 1: that they've done enough really to be able to I

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00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:32,359
Speaker 1: mean last year this didn't happened. I mean the way

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Speaker 1: they score points and able to climb back and you know,

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Speaker 1: different parts of the game are amazing. And I think

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Speaker 1: special teams really when you look at the mistakes that

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Speaker 1: they make, the turnovers. You mentioned the turnovers, you know, Dak,

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Speaker 1: you know they turnover you know, turn it over twice

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Speaker 1: against Cleveland, and Cleveland was able to cash in with

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Speaker 1: fourteen points. You can't do that against the vulnerable defense.

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Speaker 1: But I think the special teams, I mean John Fossil,

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Speaker 1: I mean he was supposed to bringing this really you know,

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Speaker 1: extravagant and he has some of the play call but

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00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 1: when you look at Tony Pollard, some of them is

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00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 1: the decision making he's making really really is costly when

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Speaker 1: you come when it comes to ten, fifteen, twenty yards

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Speaker 1: when you're really trying to gain some type of momentum

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Speaker 1: in film positions. So without a doubt, man, I think

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00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 1: that it's better on offense, but again defensively, you know,

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00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,839
Speaker 1: if they're not talent enough and they can't uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: really get off the field, and they're gonna take a

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Speaker 1: lot more chances because right now I'm just playing conservatives

593
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 1: not getting the job done. Yeah, talking about Tony Pollard

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Speaker 1: on special teams. Ceedee Lamb has been a really bright

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Speaker 1: spot on pump returns. But I tell you what, he

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00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 1: looks thin on that on that field next to those

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Speaker 1: other guys. He looks like a sheet of paper that's

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Speaker 1: about to blow away. And when he got lit up

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00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 1: that one time, I'm like, okay, okay, go out there. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Cedric Wilson back exactly what do you guys think should

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Speaker 1: should they leave him out on special team? Should they

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00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:06,879
Speaker 1: try him out it kick returning? Since Tony Pollard's been,

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00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,800
Speaker 1: you know, fumbling the ball, having issues, what do you

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00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 1: guys think about that? Mane right one and three? Right now?

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00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:19,359
Speaker 1: I think you cannot. I mean, this is hate. It's

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00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 1: a must win. I mean, you lose it the Giants,

607
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,319
Speaker 1: then you got Arizona on Monday night football. I mean

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00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 1: you need something so you can't really go in and

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00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 1: be more you know, cautious about a playmaker, especially when

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00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 1: you got someone back there that's really costing you a

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Speaker 1: really valuable guard, valuable yards and really just the film position. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And so I think CD Yeah, I think he's very

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Speaker 1: elusive and he's not used to being you know, to

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Speaker 1: having that role. But the guy's dynamic and I think

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00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:53,879
Speaker 1: the thing also is that he's gonna he's gonna make

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00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 1: if he makes better decisions. That's what all comes down to,

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Speaker 1: is being able to think about it. Maybe Tony Pollard

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00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 1: will change that around, but I'd give him an opportunity

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Speaker 1: considering a record right now. Exact what do you think? Yeah,

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00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:07,959
Speaker 1: it's like that scene in the water Boy, you can't

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Speaker 1: hold anything back. It's the mud ball. You know, at

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Speaker 1: this point you're one and three. You gotta go out

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Speaker 1: there and try and win this game, your first Divisional

624
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 1: game versus the Giants. I like Ceedee Lamb back there,

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00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 1: but I do think you're starting to see him become

626
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 1: more and more important offensively. I think he's kind of

627
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 1: already leap frogged Michael Gallop as the number two receiver

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00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 1: on this football team behind Amari Cooper. I think you're

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Speaker 1: starting to see that. Every single week, Dat's looking at

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Speaker 1: Cedee Lamb just a little bit more, and he's becoming

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Speaker 1: a pivotal role in this offense. So you know, you

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Speaker 1: kind of have to balance that a little bit because

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Speaker 1: you don't want the risk of injury. But then again,

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Speaker 1: you can't play scared. So I think it might come

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Speaker 1: down to situationally, if you need a big play, you

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Speaker 1: put him back there. But if you have some other

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Speaker 1: options that you like. And to your point, Tony, I

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Speaker 1: think preseason one of the things we missed on, at

639
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Speaker 1: least from my show the Nosebleed Seats, was let's get

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Speaker 1: Tony Pollard back there. Tony Pollard hasn't looked good. You

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Speaker 1: know that fumble against Attle, you end up getting the safety.

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Speaker 1: That was an absolute, you know, game changing altering play,

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Speaker 1: and you can't afford those kind of mistakes, especially with

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Speaker 1: a bad defense. So you know, the returning aspect of

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Speaker 1: it is one where I think down the line it

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Speaker 1: will be a situational deal. But right now, trot him

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Speaker 1: back there, let's go. And I completely agree because whenever

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Speaker 1: you look at Cede Lamb and what he brings to

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Speaker 1: you as a punt returner, not only is he your

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Speaker 1: most exciting punt returner and the one that could potentially

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Speaker 1: flip the field for you most likely, he's also your

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Speaker 1: safest punt returner. He makes it so effortless, he doesn't

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Speaker 1: make mistakes. You mentioned a decision making, Tony, He's probably

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Speaker 1: the best decision maker you're gonna have as a punt

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Speaker 1: returner didn't even as his stock continues to grow, and

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Speaker 1: he's only one of six NFL players in history to

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Speaker 1: have at least five receptions in his first four games.

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Speaker 1: And you're talking about leap frogging Michael Gallup. Sure, Michael

659
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Speaker 1: Gallups still making plays, But I think, like you said, Zach,

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Speaker 1: in terms of a constant piece, that Dak can continue

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Speaker 1: to throw the football too. He's starting to grow as

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Speaker 1: a player, and he's starting to grow as in his

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Speaker 1: importance on this offense. But I think overall, you gotta

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Speaker 1: try him back out there, even with that all on

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Speaker 1: the line, because those couple of plays where he's gonna

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Speaker 1: break it open and he'll go twenty or thirty yards

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Speaker 1: or even at one point, hopefully he takes it to

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Speaker 1: the house, it's gonna be oh so much worth more

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Speaker 1: worth it. Whenever he gets back there and he makes

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Speaker 1: a play for you. It would be nice just to

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Speaker 1: know what it's like to start a drive in the opponents. Tony,

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Speaker 1: I know you're chomping at the bit, So we're gonna

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Speaker 1: go ahead and for the next couple of minutes, we'll

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Speaker 1: just clear the table and give you a chance to

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Speaker 1: talk about your Sooners Seedee, Lamb, you've probably followed his

676
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 1: entire career. What can we I mean, he's met and

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Speaker 1: exceeded expectations that I had so far in this season.

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Speaker 1: I thought he was gonna be good. I thought the

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Speaker 1: learning curve was gonna be a little bit, a little

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Speaker 1: bit steep, and he was going to take him a

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Speaker 1: few more games to catch on. But he looks like

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Speaker 1: he's got it figured out. Man, what can we expect

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Speaker 1: now of this young guy? Well, I think he's a

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Speaker 1: hard worker. I think he's humbled. I think at Oklahoma

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Speaker 1: that's one of the things that he did. He run

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Speaker 1: exceptional at routes. He's disciplined. I don't think he has

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Speaker 1: a big head. He's grounded, and I think he's a

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Speaker 1: he's an old football soul and I think he you know,

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Speaker 1: say that about a rookie coming to National Football League

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Speaker 1: you can't really it's hard. It means that doesn't happen

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Speaker 1: a lot. And I think we all expect it. I mean,

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Speaker 1: they were able to draft him at seventeen, like, man,

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Speaker 1: this is a home run, and man, I tell you what,

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Speaker 1: he has knocked the ball out of the park. And

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Speaker 1: there's there's this more to come and and I think

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Speaker 1: when you watch him against Cleveland Man when he was

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Speaker 1: just running down the field, and you watch his routes,

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Speaker 1: and I think for a young guy, you just don't

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Speaker 1: know how good that is to be that concise with routes.

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Speaker 1: And when with that you get more confidence in your

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Speaker 1: you know, in your quarterback to go to him. And

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Speaker 1: ultimately he's just open. So I'm I thought he'd be good.

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Speaker 1: I thought it'd just take, you know, steps for him

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Speaker 1: to get some momentum gone and be able to work

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Speaker 1: some continuity and get confidence from Dak. But he's gonna

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Speaker 1: get the ball because he is a playmaker and he

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Speaker 1: doesn't make a whole lot of mistakes. Let's take our

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Speaker 1: final break of the show, and when we come back,

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Speaker 1: the Pharmacy is coming to town. The New York Giants

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Speaker 1: Coach Garrett. We get to talk about Coach Garrett for

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Speaker 1: the rest of the week on all of our shows.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be so much fun, and we're gonna talk

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Speaker 1: about him, the Giants offense, the Giants defense, what we

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Speaker 1: think is gonna happen in the game. We got a

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Speaker 1: lot to get to in the last few minutes of

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Speaker 1: the show, So let's get to it. You're listening to

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Speaker 1: Cowboys Cross Talk on the Dallas Cowboys Radio Network. When

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Speaker 1: to s WBC Mortgages Cowboys Cross Talk, check about broadcasting

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Speaker 1: live from Dallas Cowboys World headquarters at the Star in Frisco.

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Speaker 1: Slide into your the second half of your normal spot

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Speaker 1: here whenever we wrapped this thing up in a few minutes. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're ready to go, Ready to go. What you guys

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Speaker 1: talking about? Always ready? Oh man, We're gonna open the

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Speaker 1: show all the things we got wrong through the first

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Speaker 1: four weeks. There might be one or two things we

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00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 1: got right, but there is a laundry list of what

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Speaker 1: did we miss on from our preseason prediction. You are

728
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 1: not the only one that got a lot of things

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Speaker 1: wrong with this team the first four games. Kyle Yeoman's

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Speaker 1: over to my left and very special guest Tony Cassius

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Speaker 1: from his man Cave office old man room as he

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Speaker 1: likes to call it now these days. So, Tony, the

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Speaker 1: giants are coming to town. How are they going to

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Speaker 1: fix the Dallas Cowboys this weekend? Oh gosh, that's a

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Speaker 1: that's a tough prediction. First of all, the storyline is

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Speaker 1: Jason Garrett coming back, and you know, his offense has

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Speaker 1: really struggled. Their whole team has struggled. You know, you

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Speaker 1: lose someone like say Kumbh you know Barkley, I mean

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Speaker 1: that's detrimental. And so you so right now, record wise,

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Speaker 1: you got run you know, team that's hasn't won at

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Speaker 1: all this year, and you got one team that's one

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Speaker 1: and three and I think they're tied for first or

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Speaker 1: in second in the MC. So I mean there is

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Speaker 1: whole but I think that this is a game that

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Speaker 1: you just I mean, you gotta take your you gotta

746
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:42,320
Speaker 1: take it out on them, your frustration and anger, whatever

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Speaker 1: that may be. I mean, this is a perfect opportunity.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I always tell this to people and

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Speaker 1: I and I was on the other side of the

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Speaker 1: line of scrimmage when I was before I came to Dallas.

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Speaker 1: Is a people, especially if it's an NFC East game.

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00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:59,799
Speaker 1: People they get ready to play the Cowboys. You're gonna

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Speaker 1: get their best shot. I know a lot of people

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Speaker 1: that aren't Cowboy fans that you know that, you know,

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00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:09,359
Speaker 1: they hate the fact that people still lay them as

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00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:12,439
Speaker 1: the best America's team and all that. But people get

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Speaker 1: ready to play the Dallas Cowboys when they come to town,

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Speaker 1: and so they're gonna get their best shot. And I'm

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Speaker 1: sure Jason garb was not like note under two, you know,

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Speaker 1: put thirty five points up against this the type of defense. Uh,

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Speaker 1: And so I don't know. I think that it's gonna

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Speaker 1: be interesting outcome because of what we've seen the first

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Speaker 1: you know, four weeks of this this season. And I

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Speaker 1: think it's a game where again you have these games

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Speaker 1: that you it comes at the right time time that

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Speaker 1: you're expected to win. You're expected to go out there

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Speaker 1: and win. And and yet the confidence in Cowboy Nation

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Speaker 1: and around UH don't have much confidence in the Cowboys.

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Speaker 1: So I think it's coming at a great time and

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00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 1: this is an excellent time to work everything out and

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Speaker 1: if you have any heart whatsoever, to leave it out

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Speaker 1: there on that field against the Giants. Kyle, what do

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Speaker 1: you think is gonna happen this weekend? Man? I think

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Speaker 1: that's exactly what's gonna happen. You talk about frustration, you

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00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 1: talk about being embarrassed. It's time to get back on

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Speaker 1: the saddle and take it out on a division rival,

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Speaker 1: Like you said, just when the Giants are coming to town,

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Speaker 1: and you think the Giants are gonna give their best shot.

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Speaker 1: You think that maybe the Cowboys are about time to

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Speaker 1: see their best shot at a division rival coming across

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Speaker 1: a field from you. I think this is the week

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Speaker 1: you start kind of seeing a little bit of a

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Speaker 1: turnaround because and I said this earlier on a radio call,

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Speaker 1: but I think this ship can be righted really quickly.

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Speaker 1: You get a win this week. There's a toss up

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Speaker 1: game on Monday Night Football against Arizona, who didn't necessarily

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Speaker 1: look great this past weekend. That's gonna be a high

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Speaker 1: flying offense. But if you can somehow squeak out of

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Speaker 1: there with a win, you're three and three. You've got

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Speaker 1: back to back divisional opponents, and then you face Pittsburgh

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Speaker 1: in week nine. You can get back to where you're

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Speaker 1: not only in control of the division, but really running

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Speaker 1: away from it by the time you face Pittsburgh. And

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Speaker 1: so I think, really, right now, this is where the

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Speaker 1: turnaround needs to happen. You need to come out. We

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Speaker 1: need to see this defense play like all pros. Even

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Speaker 1: for the guys that aren't all pros, they need to

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Speaker 1: look like all pros against this defense or against this offense. Zach,

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Speaker 1: do you do you believe Kyle when he says you

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Speaker 1: can fix this defense this week, or is this defense

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Speaker 1: just bad and you're gonna have to put up forty

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Speaker 1: points a week to be in a game. I do

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Speaker 1: think this defense is bad and they probably will still

804
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Speaker 1: need to put up forty points. But I also think

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00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:32,799
Speaker 1: the Giants offense is pretty horrible as well. So you've

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Speaker 1: got two ugly sides of the football they're gonna meet

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Speaker 1: each other, and for the first time, you got two

808
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Speaker 1: tackles that are pretty susceptible. If the Giants are trotting

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Speaker 1: out there, we know Cam Fleming is a fan base

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Speaker 1: here very very well. And then their rookie Andrew Thomas

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Speaker 1: has had a little bit of a rough start to

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Speaker 1: his career as well. So maybe to Marcus Lawrence can

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Speaker 1: finally get that first sack of the season that he's

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Speaker 1: looking for, and Daniel Jones is one that'll throw it

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Speaker 1: to you. You know, we were thinking maybe last week

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Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield, who's got some gunslinger in him, maybe the

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Speaker 1: secondary could get an interception. This is the week. I mean,

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Speaker 1: every single week, Daniel Jones is just literally hitting defenders

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Speaker 1: in the helmet, in the chest. The question is can

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Speaker 1: we catch the ball. You know, how many times have

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Speaker 1: we seen an interceptions dropped? So they're going to have

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Speaker 1: opportunities defensively this week. Can they capitalize on it? I

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Speaker 1: think they finally will. I still think they'll end up

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Speaker 1: giving up some points because they're not very talented, but

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Speaker 1: ultimately I think this is finally the game the Cowboys

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Speaker 1: won't be playing three or four scores behind, and we

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Speaker 1: can finally see them settle into a little bit more

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Speaker 1: of a balanced offensive attack. Feed Zeke a little bit.

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Speaker 1: I think he probably has his best game of the season, Tony.

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Speaker 1: Was there ever a point in your career or points

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Speaker 1: where things just weren't quite clicking on defense for whatever reason,

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Speaker 1: people not in seeing people not playing up to their potential,

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Speaker 1: And then you had a game like this one where

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Speaker 1: you had a team you should beat, you should beat

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Speaker 1: pretty handily, and it just set everything right and then

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Speaker 1: it kind of changed the momentum going for in the season.

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Speaker 1: Can you recall anything like that in your career or yeah?

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Speaker 1: I mean there's the thing that with that that goes

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Speaker 1: with that is that, I mean there's certain times during

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Speaker 1: the game different like if if let's say last week,

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Speaker 1: for instance, Cleveland. They're I mean, they're running on over you.

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Speaker 1: But there's a couple of possessions. There's a couple of

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Speaker 1: you know, drives that you were able to get off

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Speaker 1: the field to give it back the offense, and they

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Speaker 1: have not been able to do that. It's just been

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Speaker 1: you know, it's just bleeding. And I think I think

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Speaker 1: there's something that I don't know. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: it's a talent, I don't know. I think you can

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Speaker 1: you can't coach the desire. I mean, these guys are

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00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:42,840
Speaker 1: paid being paid a lot of money, so they shouldn't

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00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:45,279
Speaker 1: be motivated. They shouldn't be motivation to go out there

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00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 1: and do their job and play with some fire. Okay,

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00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 1: but I think that there's a certain period of time

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00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 1: in the season where you need to turn this thing around.

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00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:57,040
Speaker 1: And again, this is an example for them to do that.

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00:52:57,480 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 1: I mean the one in three, the fact that even

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00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 1: think that they loose the Giants they're one and four.

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00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:06,440
Speaker 1: I mean, that's to me, that would be blown up.

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00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:08,719
Speaker 1: I mean, that would be all hell would break loose.

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00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think those guys it's got to stay together.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's like anything, you first you face adversity,

862
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:18,799
Speaker 1: you're you know, whether it's technique, whether it's a physicality.

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00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 1: I mean, you have to bring it together, and you

864
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 1: know you're expected to win. I mean a lot of

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Speaker 1: the games besides the Seattle game, the Cowboys were expected

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Speaker 1: to win and we all thought they would, and even

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Speaker 1: Seattle they had a chance to win. Even the Rams.

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Speaker 1: I mean I thought they'd been the Rams, maybe Seattle,

869
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:35,359
Speaker 1: but all these games they had a chance to win.

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00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:37,879
Speaker 1: But their defense is not has been very poor. So

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Speaker 1: I think this is a good game to rebound. As

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Speaker 1: I said, take your anger and all your frustrations out

873
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:47,399
Speaker 1: on you know, Jason Garrett, and just let it eat.

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00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:50,759
Speaker 1: That's a good point. You lose this game, you're one

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00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 1: and four, think goodness, you're in the NFC East, arguably

876
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:57,439
Speaker 1: the worst, the worst division in football right now. Kyle

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00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 1: is it's a must win game? Yeah? Absolutely, And I

878
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:03,239
Speaker 1: was asked that question in Week two against Atlanta and

879
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 1: it's like, no, this is not a must win game.

880
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:09,360
Speaker 1: But this one, I think is because one the last

881
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:12,480
Speaker 1: three years you've gone five and one in division, and

882
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 1: two of those three years you haven't made the playoffs,

883
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:17,480
Speaker 1: and so I think it shows already you have to

884
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 1: win your divisional games to an utmost degree. Even when

885
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:23,440
Speaker 1: they're this bad, you still got to win your divisional

886
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:25,920
Speaker 1: games and it might give you even that much more

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00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:27,840
Speaker 1: of an edge. So if you're one and four and

888
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:32,279
Speaker 1: owen one in the division by the end of this Sunday,

889
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:34,480
Speaker 1: you're gonna see a little bit of a little bit

890
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 1: of trouble around the league. And I think that's something

891
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:39,719
Speaker 1: that the Cowboys have to avoid. Zach must win, Yeah,

892
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:41,280
Speaker 1: it is. So you got to take care of business

893
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:43,759
Speaker 1: within your own division. It's the easiest way to the postseason,

894
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 1: especially with how bad it is in the NFC's they

895
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:47,799
Speaker 1: got to go out there and handle the Giants or

896
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:51,040
Speaker 1: else it's gonna get very very bleak. You're in DFW

897
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:55,480
Speaker 1: on Monday morning. Yeah, Tony must win. Huh oh yeah,

898
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:59,239
Speaker 1: without a doubt. Man, you guys just mentioned it. I

899
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 1: mean yeah, I mean, you don't get a participation award

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00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:04,040
Speaker 1: playing in the MC. So even if you had, you're

901
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 1: one and four and you're you feel good about that, Well,

902
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:08,399
Speaker 1: you're not gonna feel good about yourself if you're one

903
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 1: and four. I just I mean, that's just monthly you know,

904
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 1: that's that's gonna be expected. So Yeah, this is a

905
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:18,080
Speaker 1: must win to turn this thing around. All right. Now,

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Speaker 1: the final question of the show, this is for everybody,

907
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:23,080
Speaker 1: will go around the horn. Do the Cowboys Do they

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00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 1: win this Sunday at at and T Stadium versus the

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00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:29,719
Speaker 1: New York Giants, Tony, Yeah, I think they'll They'll be

910
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:35,239
Speaker 1: two and four after after what six o'clock on Sunday evening, hopefully. Yeah,

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00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:38,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with the Cowboys win, all right, Kyle, Yeah,

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00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:40,440
Speaker 1: Cowboys win by third. Oh no, I don't like the

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00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:42,920
Speaker 1: way this is going. I don't like the way this

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00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:45,880
Speaker 1: is going. It's gonna be three scores. Yeah, three scores.

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00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:49,680
Speaker 1: It's not even gonna be close. Oh. I've watched the

916
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:52,440
Speaker 1: offensive tape from New York. They should not score a

917
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:56,560
Speaker 1: lot of even against this defense. Okay, that all right? Yeah,

918
00:55:56,600 --> 00:56:00,360
Speaker 1: Cowboys win. I'm not gonna go off Kyle day the doors.

919
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:03,160
Speaker 1: I just don't have enough confidence in this team. But yes,

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00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 1: they get the victory over the Giants, even if it's

921
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:07,279
Speaker 1: an ugly win. A win's a win, Yep. I am

922
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:10,239
Speaker 1: going to say the Cowboys win just for my own

923
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:12,920
Speaker 1: sanity and for sake of the show that I host

924
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:16,319
Speaker 1: on Dallas Cowboys dot Com because if they lose, it

925
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 1: is going to be a long, miserable season of hosting

926
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 1: a podcast for the next however many weeks. So just

927
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:26,280
Speaker 1: for my own personal gain, I am going to say

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Speaker 1: yes that they win. So fellas, this has been awesome, Tony.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for letting us invade your home and chat

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Speaker 1: with you for about an hour. This has been great, Kyle.

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00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:39,240
Speaker 1: Thank you. It's good to see you in a person again.

932
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:41,960
Speaker 1: Man a man. Some plexiglass here in between us, but

933
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:44,919
Speaker 1: good seeing you, Zach. Good to hang out with you, man,

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Speaker 1: appreciate it. We'll get out of the way and we'll

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Speaker 1: let you have your show. Thank you, Tony. We'll be

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Speaker 1: back next week, same time, same place on Cowboys Crosstalk.

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