WEBVTT - Classic RC: Tonight There's Gonna Be a Jail Break: Two Escaper Boys

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<v Speaker 1>Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello, producer Dave Interns did go to voicemail. We have

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<v Speaker 2>to change the outgoing message from something other than just

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<v Speaker 2>the sound of a truck backing up.

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<v Speaker 3>Listen.

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<v Speaker 2>We got caught again. The resort boys ran a pit

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<v Speaker 2>maneuver on us on a country road and we flipped

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<v Speaker 2>the airport shuttle. We're okay, We're okay, but they've taken

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<v Speaker 2>us to a black site and an abandoned red roof

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<v Speaker 2>in this place is dismal bleak. There's no HBO or

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<v Speaker 2>MAX or whatever they're calling it. Now. We're gonna bust

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<v Speaker 2>out tonight. We've been collecting bed sheets, tearing them into strips,

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<v Speaker 2>braiding and weaving them like the ancients of the York.

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<v Speaker 2>We have a really elaborate rope ladder built. I wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to die in a fun color with some fruit punch

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<v Speaker 2>crystal light in the bathtub from mustash. I keep in

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<v Speaker 2>my shoe, But zaren say, we don't have time for

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<v Speaker 2>the so we won't be in today, but.

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<v Speaker 3>We should know the sweet taste of freedom.

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<v Speaker 2>Very soon, and an action next week. In the meantime,

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<v Speaker 2>remember that guy in Engram A long time Ago who

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<v Speaker 2>escaped from jail a lot? Can you run that episode

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<v Speaker 2>as inspiration for us? Appreciate you doing.

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<v Speaker 3>Zaren Burnette.

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<v Speaker 4>Yo, Elizabeth Dutton, what's up, Claude?

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<v Speaker 3>Not much? How are you doing today?

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<v Speaker 4>Doing pretty well? Doing pretty well? Thanks for asking? How

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<v Speaker 4>are you?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm great as always. I'm just scurvat so happy to

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<v Speaker 3>hear that. Listen. You know it's ridiculous. Yes, I do

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<v Speaker 3>give it to me.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, Elizabeth, all right, I'm not I want to preface this.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not making fun of the front part. I'm making

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<v Speaker 4>part of the back part. Okay. Last year, there's this

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<v Speaker 4>news story about this guy, Christian Montenegro okay, and he

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<v Speaker 4>married a rag doll. Like not, that's not I'm not

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<v Speaker 4>casting aspersions on this person. No, no, like his wife,

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<v Speaker 4>Natalia is a rag doll, and uh, he broke up

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<v Speaker 4>with his ex girlfriend, right, And so then he started

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<v Speaker 4>dating Natalia, the rag doll, And then he decided, well,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm happy with her. We can make a good life

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<v Speaker 4>of this. So then he got married to the rag doll.

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<v Speaker 4>And people are like this, this is not not right.

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<v Speaker 4>People are like, no, no, he's it's fine. So they're debating, right, Anyway.

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<v Speaker 4>This is the part that it gets me because I

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<v Speaker 4>don't whatever you've been marry what bridge, marry a building out? Okay, Right.

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<v Speaker 4>There was a video last year of him going to

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<v Speaker 4>the doctors in which he's called paramedics because he was

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<v Speaker 4>worried that his rag doll had fallen. Ill. Now keep

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<v Speaker 4>in mind they have three rag doll children, so he

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<v Speaker 4>was worried he was going to be a single rag

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<v Speaker 4>doll father to their rag doll kiss.

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<v Speaker 3>Where where is this?

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<v Speaker 4>And it goes long enough that I do not think

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<v Speaker 4>it's a prank. I have to believe that this is

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<v Speaker 4>a compulsion. It is into South America. Why are you

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<v Speaker 4>being like, what does it matter where he is?

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<v Speaker 3>I want to go down there and slap them.

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<v Speaker 4>It takes place in the land of magical realism.

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<v Speaker 3>Colombia, Oh, Colombia, Oh, Columbia. So there you go, ridiculous, right,

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<v Speaker 3>and spark three guess what three things ridiculous?

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<v Speaker 4>Three rag doll kids, a rag doll wife. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>when he gets sick, he goes to a people a

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<v Speaker 4>people hospital, Elizabeth, I need to go to a rag

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<v Speaker 4>doll hospital.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm a progressive. Where is the.

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<v Speaker 4>Fine taking a rag doll to a human hospital. It's

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<v Speaker 4>like taking me to a vent that we come on,

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<v Speaker 4>do you want to save your wife or not?

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<v Speaker 3>Because we got the cops on her tail.

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<v Speaker 4>That's why that I recommend it.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not going to be like, you know, if he

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<v Speaker 3>wants to love ad No.

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<v Speaker 4>Three or something, I think we can afford another conversation.

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<v Speaker 4>He sewed another kid.

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<v Speaker 3>You don't get to do that kind of like, come on, now,

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<v Speaker 3>come on now, that is ridiculous. That's ridiculous. Do you

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<v Speaker 3>know what else is ridiculous? No, but I'm here for it,

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<v Speaker 3>escaping and then escaping and then escaping some more.

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<v Speaker 4>I like the spirit.

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<v Speaker 3>This is ridiculous crime A podcast about absurd and outrageous capers.

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<v Speaker 3>Heycin Cuns. It's always ninety nine percent murder free and

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<v Speaker 3>one hundred percent ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 4>Note you heard that.

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<v Speaker 3>You've talked about escape artists before.

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<v Speaker 4>Once or twice. Yes, I'm a fan.

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<v Speaker 3>Those who break out of lock up and make it

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<v Speaker 3>an absolute art.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, a statement, multiple attempts.

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<v Speaker 3>A commentary on man's isolation amid the masses and desperate

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<v Speaker 3>need for liberation. You know something high falutine like that

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<v Speaker 3>that talk. I like that you focused on more recent

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<v Speaker 3>ridiculous escapermen.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, and the ridiculousness of the artist.

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<v Speaker 3>A postmodern analysis completely. I want to take us back.

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<v Speaker 3>You heard I want to take his way back. Hey,

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<v Speaker 3>I got two ogs for you to Oh wow, oh geez,

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<v Speaker 3>all right, let's start in the seventeen hundred. This is

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<v Speaker 3>like you starting everything going back to Dracula. Dracula.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm always yeah, like when memed the second could have

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<v Speaker 4>killed Dracula, Draca could have killed second goes back to

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<v Speaker 4>the second and then he failed. Yeah, I glad Paler

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<v Speaker 4>failed to kill Memod the second. You get America, that's

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<v Speaker 4>when you're.

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<v Speaker 3>Like, what caused the Cuban missile crisis? You're like, well, okay, well.

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<v Speaker 4>It starts with me, you know, the second in the

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<v Speaker 4>Fall of Constantinople in fourteen fifty three.

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<v Speaker 3>Now every time, so I'm taking to the seventeen hundreds,

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm not going to mangle any French or Italian pronunciations.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh man.

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<v Speaker 3>Not because I've worked hard on my diction and my focus. No,

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<v Speaker 3>it's because there aren't any nice hoorah. Okay, So the

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<v Speaker 3>first dude is a fellow named Jack Shepherd. I can

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<v Speaker 3>say that nice. You got that Jack Shepherds. Now I'm

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<v Speaker 3>gonna screw hard. He's known as the eighteenth century's most

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<v Speaker 3>notorious robber and thief. That's saying a lot. Is it

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<v Speaker 3>purely in his home country of England, likely because he

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<v Speaker 3>wasn't a global phenom, kind of a highwayman. Not really,

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<v Speaker 3>you'll see, okay. He was also referred to as the

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<v Speaker 3>most glamorous rogue in London.

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<v Speaker 4>One of those kind of guy glamours ar yes, m

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<v Speaker 4>a jigglow with deep pockets. He drops things in.

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<v Speaker 3>He was born. He was born on March fourth? Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>did you ever when when I was in high school

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<v Speaker 3>we used to say to the nuns that he'd raise

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<v Speaker 3>your hand and be like, what's today's date, and they'd

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<v Speaker 3>say March fourth, and we'd all get up and walk forward.

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<v Speaker 4>You're making that up. He did not really do that,

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<v Speaker 4>Did you guys actually get up out of your seats?

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<v Speaker 4>You really did? Multiple kids?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, just one time, one March wow. And then we

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<v Speaker 3>looked at each other and we're like, oh God, I love.

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<v Speaker 4>That for you know, do you actually have that? That's

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<v Speaker 4>so precious and dear? He was, but this was March forth,

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<v Speaker 4>Oh wow, coming back, mourning, coming back.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it's like better than when May the fourth, when

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<v Speaker 3>people do the hell no, no, no, March fourth. So

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<v Speaker 3>his family was terribly poor. They lived in Spittlefields in

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<v Speaker 3>London in the east endeld Well know. The location gets

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<v Speaker 3>its name from the fact that many of the original

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<v Speaker 3>inhabitants had both poorly formed dentician and severe allergies. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't leading them. Well, no, it led them to like

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<v Speaker 3>produce abnormally large quantities of saliva, and those were expelled

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<v Speaker 3>as they yelled at outsiders who crossed the area's large

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<v Speaker 3>open meadow.

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<v Speaker 4>Thus Spittlefields, the pollen rich meadow, the gas in their

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<v Speaker 4>teeth and they yelled.

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<v Speaker 3>At And you think this is funny?

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<v Speaker 4>Do you think this is funny.

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<v Speaker 3>Because it's not true. The land actually belonged to Saint

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<v Speaker 3>Mary's Spittle, a hospital built in eleven ninety seven. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>so spittle is a corruption of the word hospital. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>but I think my explanation is way better.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, I told so much better. So they dropped

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<v Speaker 4>the hoe and made spittle.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, drop the hoe. Okay, So an earlier name for

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<v Speaker 3>the area was Lallsworth. Lol, like laugh out loud. You

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<v Speaker 3>did not you made It's true that's true. So in

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<v Speaker 3>Jack Shepherd's time, it was an area notorious for highwaymen,

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<v Speaker 3>as you said, bad men, yes, and prostitutes and so

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<v Speaker 3>Jack he stayed away from all that. When he was

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<v Speaker 3>fifteen he got an apprenticeship with a carpenter. Five years later,

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<v Speaker 3>he's twenty years old. Because I can do math, and

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<v Speaker 3>I also had to be hooked on phonics. He was

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<v Speaker 3>an accomplished craftsman, of course, twenty years old. He was

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<v Speaker 3>a small fellow.

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<v Speaker 4>They don't have TV.

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<v Speaker 3>No, he was all the time in the world. He

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<v Speaker 3>was too poor for it. Everyone else had it.

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<v Speaker 4>I was on your candle light. You can be working, kid.

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<v Speaker 3>He was a litland. He was five four spine bone slight.

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<v Speaker 3>But he had like this dazzling smile. He didn't have

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<v Speaker 3>the Spittlefields dentician. He had a dazzling smile and a

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<v Speaker 3>magnetic personality, and so that made him really popular in

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<v Speaker 3>the neighborhood, especially in the pubs. And it was in

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<v Speaker 3>those taverns that he fell in with the wrong crowd,

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<v Speaker 3>the shady underbelly of Spittlefields. And so most notably was

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<v Speaker 3>a prostitute named Elizabeth Lyon aka Edgeworth. Best Edgeworth, Edgeworth,

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<v Speaker 3>Bestka District. Best. Best was a big, beautiful mama whole

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<v Speaker 3>lot of ros, very popular with the fellas and Jack

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<v Speaker 3>was sprung hubba hubba. And so the more time and

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<v Speaker 3>money he spent with Best, the deeper into that dark

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<v Speaker 3>side of things. He got. Lots of drinking, lots of carousing. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>this wasn't good for woodworkings.

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<v Speaker 4>Are no will be selling his tools?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Well, as a one time man of the train,

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<v Speaker 3>you know that you have to be able to focus

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<v Speaker 3>and show up on time and get the work done.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, and you have to have your tools.

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<v Speaker 3>You can't send things just you can't like send things

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<v Speaker 3>to voicemail and ignore the inbox. So his income took

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<v Speaker 3>a dip and he wasn't getting the work he once

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<v Speaker 3>was because he was spending all this money on booze

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<v Speaker 3>and on the Best. Yeah, and so he had to

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<v Speaker 3>make ends meet. He needed cash. He started stealing. In

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<v Speaker 3>the spring of seventeen twenty three, he got busted for

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<v Speaker 3>the first time shoplifting.

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<v Speaker 4>Taking other people's tools.

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<v Speaker 3>Shoplifters of the world unite and takeover, he yelled, Did

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<v Speaker 3>he really that's no, that's a Smith's lyric.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, I thought they pulled it from him, like it's

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<v Speaker 4>an old British story.

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<v Speaker 3>I just have never heard he had. He was spinall

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<v Speaker 3>over the I'm not going to believe anything. So soon

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<v Speaker 3>enough he starts hanging out with a very bad ombre

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<v Speaker 3>named Joseph Blake aka Blueskin.

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<v Speaker 4>William Blake's little brother, Blueskin. Are you kidding me?

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<v Speaker 3>No, one's really sure how he got that name.

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<v Speaker 4>Colloidal silver, that's how he got that name.

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<v Speaker 3>He had like a really swarthy complexion. He was also blue,

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<v Speaker 3>super hairy, Okay, especially in the facial region. So maybe

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<v Speaker 3>that was it. This is what they're speculating. Some thought

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<v Speaker 3>maybe had a port wine birthmark.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, maybe more sense.

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<v Speaker 3>He could have been part smurf.

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<v Speaker 4>That's I'm going with that one. From the waist down, okay,

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<v Speaker 4>like a mermaid or something. You know, it's like fish

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<v Speaker 4>for the waist down, he's Smurf. From the waist down, Blueskin.

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<v Speaker 3>Some of he doesn't wear pants a lot because everyone

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<v Speaker 3>can see.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, well I thought his feet he can't. Yeah, his legs,

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<v Speaker 4>they see his ankles. They go, they go out, they

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<v Speaker 4>go all the way up.

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<v Speaker 3>Blueskin. He shows Jack Shepherd the ropes takes him from

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<v Speaker 3>an amateur shoplifter to a professional thief. He's good at it,

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<v Speaker 3>but he's also not good at it.

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<v Speaker 4>He was an interesting line there, professional thief amateur SHOPLIFTERA

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<v Speaker 4>when someone else pays you enough, you.

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<v Speaker 3>Get you get sponsorships.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, there your factory riders exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>So he gets arrested and imprisoned five times between seventeen

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<v Speaker 3>twenty three and seventeen twenty four. Of those five arrests,

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<v Speaker 3>he got out four times. The poor folks in Spittlefields

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<v Speaker 3>loved this, of course they loved it. They had no

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<v Speaker 3>TV Cairo, they had no TV. The rich people intown did.

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<v Speaker 3>So let's take a look at his first escape. Seventeen

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<v Speaker 3>twenty three. He got sent to Saint Anne's Roundhouse for pickpocketing.

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<v Speaker 3>That's where they invented the roundhouse.

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<v Speaker 4>They had the roundhouse just for.

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<v Speaker 3>Pickpocket It's where they invented it.

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<v Speaker 4>Like all the cut pursons go here.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Bess came to visit him, and that was a

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<v Speaker 3>bad idea because the jailers recognized her as a lady

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<v Speaker 3>of the night and then she gets arrested. No, it's

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<v Speaker 3>just in some position. Yeah, she wasn't out. I think

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<v Speaker 3>she had like warrants. And so she and Jack they're

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<v Speaker 3>sent together to new prison in Clerkenwell, and it was

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<v Speaker 3>there that they were locked in a cell known as

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<v Speaker 3>the newgate Ward.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, I think I've heard it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, somehow Jack gets a hold of a file these things. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>and so the couple they'd only been locked up overnight,

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<v Speaker 3>but it was too much for Jack. He's like, I

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<v Speaker 3>can't take this with Jack, he filed his way through

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<v Speaker 3>his shackles. Then he used the file to gouge a

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<v Speaker 3>hole in the wall right under the window, Not like

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<v Speaker 3>a big hole that went all the way through, just

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<v Speaker 3>one that like was placed as such that he could

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<v Speaker 3>loosen one of the iron bars that blocked the wi

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<v Speaker 3>window and wiggle it out of place. So they got

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<v Speaker 3>the window open. Bess and Jack tied sheets and blankets

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<v Speaker 3>together and did the old cliche rope out of the

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<v Speaker 3>window escape. They lowered themselves to the ground and then

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<v Speaker 3>they climbed over a twenty two foot high wall. Wow, freedom,

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<v Speaker 3>how are you going to do that? They did it

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<v Speaker 3>twenty twenty two feet.

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<v Speaker 4>If they're standing on one shoulder and you get one up,

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<v Speaker 4>the other one has to pull the other one.

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<v Speaker 3>Five ft four. She's a she's.

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<v Speaker 4>A big lady. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know how they did it.

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<v Speaker 4>She threw them over and rope back over.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's say that's how it happened, right, let me just

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<v Speaker 3>say it. I'm going to go ahead and say it.

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<v Speaker 3>Said she threw him over the wall.

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<v Speaker 4>I like it.

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<v Speaker 3>I like that wrote back over exactly.

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<v Speaker 4>She climbed up, and she's got a baby.

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<v Speaker 3>They went imprisoned. No more.

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<v Speaker 4>That's a lot of filing too, and that you ever

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<v Speaker 4>tried to file through metal?

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<v Speaker 3>Can we just say cute couple alerts? Oh my god,

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<v Speaker 3>I had a jail together.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh dude, ship them forever.

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<v Speaker 3>Seventeen twenty four. A year later, Jack's twenty two. He

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<v Speaker 3>was still on his thieving bs. He gets caught. He

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<v Speaker 3>was convicted of burglary and sentenced to death. It seems

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<v Speaker 3>like a lot for theft. Yeah, So back to Newgate.

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<v Speaker 4>What did he steal?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. He stole the Declaration of Independence before

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<v Speaker 3>it was written. The cell for the condemned at Newgate

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<v Speaker 3>was at the end of a dark passage, and to

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<v Speaker 3>get to the passage you had to go through this

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<v Speaker 3>hatch that was like ringed with huge iron spikes.

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<v Speaker 4>Are you kidding?

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<v Speaker 3>No, that's August thirtieth, seventeen twenty four. Jack filed away

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<v Speaker 3>at one of the spikes so that with a little

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<v Speaker 3>push it would just snap right off. Okay, he got

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<v Speaker 3>it almost through, and once again Bess comes to visit

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<v Speaker 3>nice and I'm guessing she didn't have warrants this time,

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<v Speaker 3>just like I'm good, and she brought the rope, and

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<v Speaker 3>then she brought another prostitute with her, a gal named

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<v Speaker 3>Mal Maggot, mall maggot, m o l l oh mall

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<v Speaker 3>like Molly Maggot. Okay, And now I'm not of that world,

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<v Speaker 3>but I would imagine that's not a name that drums

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<v Speaker 3>up a lot of business.

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<v Speaker 4>It depends very specific type of business. Maybe she's like

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<v Speaker 4>going for the goth guys and she wants them to know, like.

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<v Speaker 3>Perhaps you know a dead girl. Oh be sick. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>So Bess and Mal they waltzen to visit Jack on

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<v Speaker 3>death Row, and they managed to distract the guard. How okay,

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<v Speaker 3>magic trick, I you know, I can't imagine how. And

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<v Speaker 3>so while the guard was otherwise occupied, Jack snapped off

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<v Speaker 3>the spike and then he was able to squeeze through

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<v Speaker 3>the space and make a break for it, and the

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<v Speaker 3>girls helped him run off, and then they all went

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<v Speaker 3>together bag at time magot so. But he only tasted

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<v Speaker 3>freedom for a couple months then he gets locked up.

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<v Speaker 3>His last escape was his most famous one. It was

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<v Speaker 3>October fifteenth, seventeen twenty four, and there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>footage of the escape available online. Keep doing that, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>So the location was once again Newgate Prison. The jailers

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<v Speaker 3>cuffed him while he was in the cell, hoping that

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<v Speaker 3>would prevent him from getting out. Sometimes with cheese with

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<v Speaker 3>he just always rope like loosely woven hemp rope. So

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<v Speaker 3>at some point he managed to get his thin wrists

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<v Speaker 3>out of the shackles, and then he pulled a loose

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<v Speaker 3>nail out of the wall, which is why maintenance is important.

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<v Speaker 4>Important things. Yeah, broken window, I'm telling you.

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<v Speaker 3>So he used the nail to pick the lock on

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<v Speaker 3>the chain that connected his ankle to the floor, and

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<v Speaker 3>then he used the nail to pick the lock on

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<v Speaker 3>the door. Yes, And then he used the nail to

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<v Speaker 3>pick the lock in the area outside the block where

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<v Speaker 3>he was kept, and then another lock and another lot.

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<v Speaker 4>This is like the TV shows I watched like The Musketeers,

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<v Speaker 4>Like this is so escape plane, totally get a nail,

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<v Speaker 4>work it out of something.

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<v Speaker 3>You know. He's on the roof of the prison. I

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<v Speaker 3>love he still had a shackle around his ankle. Oh oh,

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<v Speaker 3>I forgot And then he's like, oh, man, I forgot something.

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<v Speaker 3>So he runs back to the cell and he grabs

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<v Speaker 3>a blanket.

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<v Speaker 4>He breaks back into the prison.

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<v Speaker 3>Where's the staff? Where's the staff? Anyway, he runs back

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<v Speaker 3>up to the roof with the blanket and he uses

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<v Speaker 3>it to slide over to the roof next door, and

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<v Speaker 3>then he pops into a top floor window. This place

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<v Speaker 3>was someone's helm, okay, and snuck around and then out

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<v Speaker 3>the front door. And he waited until the morning, and

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<v Speaker 3>he went to a cobbler. Smart so being the local

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<v Speaker 3>folk here. Yeah, well, he was able to convince the

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<v Speaker 3>collbler to cut off the leg. Iron I feel like

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<v Speaker 3>I would have gone to a blacksmith, but like you know, any.

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<v Speaker 4>Port tools, they got similar tools.

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<v Speaker 3>So he swanned around for two weeks just partying it up,

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<v Speaker 3>and then the law caught up with him and when

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<v Speaker 3>they went to make to get out of the oh,

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<v Speaker 3>they went to arrest him dude was hammered. What Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>he was wasted, so he didn't run, he didn't resist,

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<v Speaker 3>he's just all how dry Jack. Of course, he gets arrested,

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<v Speaker 3>he's convicted, and once again sends to death. I told

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<v Speaker 3>you he was a folk hero.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes.

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<v Speaker 3>When it was time to take him to the gallows,

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<v Speaker 3>the road leading there was lined with women crying and

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<v Speaker 3>like wailing and throwing flowers at his fee. Ladies man

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<v Speaker 3>to the end. You know. Daniel Dafoe, author of Robinson Cruiser,

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<v Speaker 3>not personally, but yes, big fan of Jack's. Earlier in

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<v Speaker 3>the year, Jack Shepherd had written an autobiography, what a

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<v Speaker 3>narrative of all the robbery's escapes, et cetera of John Shepherd.

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<v Speaker 3>That was his book, except Jack didn't write it. Daniel

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<v Speaker 3>Dafoe did. Yeah. They're pals called Ghost Road Book. Yeah so,

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<v Speaker 3>and they were such pals that Daniel Dafoe and his

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<v Speaker 3>publisher came up with a plan to wait fifteen minutes

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<v Speaker 3>after Jack got the rope and then grabbed the body,

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<v Speaker 3>and they wanted to revive him, which they heard had

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<v Speaker 3>worked a couple of times.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, back then, sometimes hangings you'd hear about this.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the old equival of like one hack. They don't

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<v Speaker 3>want you to know, like you can wait fifteen minutes.

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<v Speaker 3>Well sometimes next Yeah, my cousin knows a guy who

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<v Speaker 3>knows a guy who brought a handman back to life.

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<v Speaker 3>That kind of thing totally works. They saw it on

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<v Speaker 3>the hit ABC show nine one ps nine one one

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<v Speaker 3>got even campier after moving from Fox to ABC. It's

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<v Speaker 3>amazing and I love it, but I don't watch TV anyway. Jack,

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<v Speaker 3>he didn't make it, and Daniel Dafoe is unsuccessful. This

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<v Speaker 3>is like my one percent where it's murdered by the state. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>it's up for debate anyway, Rip to that man. Plays

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<v Speaker 3>were written about Jack and performed after his death. In

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<v Speaker 3>eighteen forty, William Harrison Ainsworth wrote a novel called Jack

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<v Speaker 3>Shepherd and it was crazy popular, and the authorities didn't

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<v Speaker 3>care for that, so much so that they refused to

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<v Speaker 3>license any plays in London with Jack Sheppard in a

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<v Speaker 3>title for forty years after the publication. That takes it

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<v Speaker 3>to one hundred and fifty year years after his damn Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>let's take a break, dude.

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<v Speaker 4>Wait before we take a break, Harry Styles, get on this.

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<v Speaker 4>You can get back from Timothy shallow May all the

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<v Speaker 4>riz He's stolen from you. This is it? Yeah, now

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<v Speaker 4>get it? And also a David Bowie soundtrack.

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<v Speaker 3>You got It's perfect. When we come back, I'm going

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<v Speaker 3>to tell you about a guy who was often compared

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<v Speaker 3>to old Jack. Yeah, escaper boys, Yes.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm digging this dude, That Jack Sheppard was dope.

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<v Speaker 3>What else you got, Well, we're having a lot of fun,

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<v Speaker 3>Yes we are. And I've already killed a man off.

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<v Speaker 4>You tap with the state, no less.

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<v Speaker 3>So this new Henry Moorese Smith is his name, Henry

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<v Speaker 3>Morrisemith m o r E. Like just how much Smith Morse? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>Henry More Smith. He was the North American Jack Shepherd,

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<v Speaker 3>an escape artist, sort of a folk hero. This all

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<v Speaker 3>goes down about like one hundred years after Jack Shephard

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<v Speaker 3>eighteen thirties, twenties eighteen early eighteen teens. Okay, Smith is

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<v Speaker 3>a con man, horse thief, burglar, and most importantly and

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<v Speaker 3>escape artist. He had a bunch of aliases Frederick, Henry Moore,

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<v Speaker 3>Henry J. Moon, William Newman. You know whatever those.

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<v Speaker 4>Are good forgettable it sounding really.

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<v Speaker 3>Good names exactly. So eighteen twelve, he arrives in Halifax, Nova,

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<v Speaker 3>Scotia Canadian. He was vague about where he'd come from

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<v Speaker 3>or like where he was born. There are no records

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<v Speaker 3>of him prior to this time. He was well dressed

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<v Speaker 3>and polite in his mid twenties. He said he was

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<v Speaker 3>a tailor and then he'd just arrived from England.

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<v Speaker 4>So one local, pretty good story, because there's a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of makes sense.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, a local said quote. He was perfectly inoffensive, gentle

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<v Speaker 3>and obliging, used no intoxicating liquors, refrained from idle conversation

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<v Speaker 3>in all improper language, and was apparently free from every

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<v Speaker 3>evil habit.

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<v Speaker 4>That's weird, Correct me if I'm wrong, But you describing me?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, I know, you've never said a bad word in

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<v Speaker 3>your life.

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<v Speaker 4>No, I mean, is that weird? We're reading it?

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<v Speaker 3>You no intoxicating liquors, wild, doesn't smoke weed. Yeah, never

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<v Speaker 3>like the zaren Burnette story.

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<v Speaker 4>I never bad language.

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<v Speaker 3>Elizabeth Smith though. He said he went to Cambridge and

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<v Speaker 3>so just like you. Of course, fancy is what I'm

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<v Speaker 3>trying to He also said he said he could speak

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<v Speaker 3>five languages. It's basically the zaren Burnettes. He said he

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<v Speaker 3>had a small fortune held in the Bank of England, bingo.

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<v Speaker 3>Here's where it's like I was reading this and I

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<v Speaker 3>was like, is this Zaren or is this this Smith?

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<v Speaker 3>Because he carried a Bible with him all the time,

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<v Speaker 3>and he could recite whole chapters of scripture.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, you want to ruth, I'll tell you right now,

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<v Speaker 4>lays the ruth, the whole thing. Lay up some kings

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<v Speaker 4>to next maybe judges, what do you got how much

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<v Speaker 4>time you would?

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<v Speaker 3>They would ask this guy about his spiritual past, like

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<v Speaker 3>tell us about your spiritual that's a question, right, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>going to start asking. And he said he ran a

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<v Speaker 3>Methodist prayer meeting back in England just like this. Here's

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<v Speaker 3>one that actually I could see you doing.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>One time someone asked him where he was from, and

0:23:31.200 --> 0:23:33.520
<v Speaker 3>he just laughed and pointed at the full moon.

0:23:34.920 --> 0:23:37.800
<v Speaker 4>That's very like that's going in the act.

0:23:37.920 --> 0:23:40.200
<v Speaker 3>And so you know, all these people like they're kind

0:23:40.200 --> 0:23:43.960
<v Speaker 3>of captivated by him. One person was John Bond, not

0:23:44.080 --> 0:23:52.040
<v Speaker 3>John Bond, Jovie John Bond, John Bond exactly double O six.

0:23:52.359 --> 0:23:56.080
<v Speaker 3>He thought that Smith was the beasknees. So we hired

0:23:56.160 --> 0:23:58.840
<v Speaker 3>him to work on his farm near Windsor, just northwest

0:23:58.840 --> 0:24:02.679
<v Speaker 3>of Halifax, and Smith he fit right in with the family.

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<v Speaker 3>He joined them for meals and prayers. He was like,

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<v Speaker 3>hold on, I need to pray before I eat this scrule.

0:24:10.520 --> 0:24:14.560
<v Speaker 3>So he also romance to the daughter. There are a

0:24:14.560 --> 0:24:16.240
<v Speaker 3>lot of Elizabeths going on here today.

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<v Speaker 4>God's a big fan of.

0:24:19.119 --> 0:24:23.119
<v Speaker 3>And so ministers. As was the custom of the day,

0:24:23.359 --> 0:24:26.960
<v Speaker 3>Smith married Elizabeth. Within the year. There you go, hey, quick, dude.

0:24:27.119 --> 0:24:27.600
<v Speaker 4>It happened.

0:24:27.640 --> 0:24:30.720
<v Speaker 3>The couple moved out and Smith started his own tailor shop.

0:24:31.320 --> 0:24:32.720
<v Speaker 3>He's like, you know what, I'm just going to go

0:24:32.760 --> 0:24:33.360
<v Speaker 3>out on my own.

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<v Speaker 4>Here.

0:24:34.520 --> 0:24:40.000
<v Speaker 3>Things were blissful, and until they weren't. In Halifax, at

0:24:40.040 --> 0:24:44.080
<v Speaker 3>the big fancy mansions, things started going missing. Someone was

0:24:44.119 --> 0:24:47.800
<v Speaker 3>slipping in during the night and stealing silver, jewelry, anything

0:24:47.800 --> 0:24:52.439
<v Speaker 3>else of values, virtues. And it wasn't just palatial homes.

0:24:52.880 --> 0:24:56.680
<v Speaker 3>Offices and stores got it, and it wasn't just expected

0:24:56.760 --> 0:25:00.000
<v Speaker 3>high ticket items. The Chief Justice of the British Colony

0:25:00.080 --> 0:25:06.280
<v Speaker 3>of Nova Scotia Samson Salter Blowers. Samson Salter Blowers or

0:25:06.440 --> 0:25:10.320
<v Speaker 3>Salter Blowers. Yeah, he had three law books taken from

0:25:10.320 --> 0:25:15.119
<v Speaker 3>his chambers. So the judge He's like, I kind of

0:25:15.160 --> 0:25:18.000
<v Speaker 3>need those, you guys. He offered a reward for their

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<v Speaker 3>return and a few days later, Henry Moore Smith shows up.

0:25:21.119 --> 0:25:23.120
<v Speaker 3>He's like, I'm here to take the reward. He heard

0:25:23.160 --> 0:25:26.200
<v Speaker 3>the book. He's like, I bought these from a stranger,

0:25:26.680 --> 0:25:29.560
<v Speaker 3>you know, as you do, don't. I don't practice the law,

0:25:29.560 --> 0:25:31.639
<v Speaker 3>but I'd like these expensive law books please.

0:25:32.280 --> 0:25:32.480
<v Speaker 4>You know.

0:25:32.480 --> 0:25:34.760
<v Speaker 3>He's like sitting minding his own business, sitting on a

0:25:34.760 --> 0:25:38.400
<v Speaker 3>bench reading the Bible, just like sunning himself. Dude comes up.

0:25:38.760 --> 0:25:40.760
<v Speaker 3>You look like you're into big books. You want to

0:25:40.760 --> 0:25:45.919
<v Speaker 3>buy some lawbooks. So the townsfolk weren't fools, so like

0:25:45.960 --> 0:25:49.199
<v Speaker 3>where Smith is living in Windsor, they start thinking, like,

0:25:49.280 --> 0:25:52.760
<v Speaker 3>hold on a second. He he goes to Halifax a lot,

0:25:52.800 --> 0:25:54.560
<v Speaker 3>and he leaves early in the morning, and he doesn't

0:25:54.560 --> 0:25:58.080
<v Speaker 3>come back to like the next day he returned those books.

0:25:58.600 --> 0:26:01.359
<v Speaker 3>Why would he buy them when he comes back to.

0:26:02.880 --> 0:26:03.520
<v Speaker 4>Law before?

0:26:03.840 --> 0:26:05.920
<v Speaker 3>And he always has stuff with him when he gets

0:26:05.920 --> 0:26:08.680
<v Speaker 3>back from Halifax, like random stuff and sometimes a lot

0:26:08.720 --> 0:26:11.640
<v Speaker 3>of cash. And then there was a break in the case.

0:26:11.920 --> 0:26:15.240
<v Speaker 3>A Halifax man got pinched for stealing a coat, but

0:26:15.359 --> 0:26:17.400
<v Speaker 3>he swore up and down that he'd bought the coat

0:26:17.440 --> 0:26:21.240
<v Speaker 3>from Smith, so the authorities issued an arrest warrant. They

0:26:21.240 --> 0:26:23.240
<v Speaker 3>headed out to pick Smith up in Windsor, but he

0:26:23.280 --> 0:26:25.960
<v Speaker 3>was already in the wind That was his first escape,

0:26:26.000 --> 0:26:29.679
<v Speaker 3>with many more to come. He disappeared for almost two years.

0:26:29.920 --> 0:26:32.879
<v Speaker 3>There you go, yeah, and so what of Elizabeth, right,

0:26:33.680 --> 0:26:36.320
<v Speaker 3>She's just probably go back to the farm. I feel

0:26:36.320 --> 0:26:37.199
<v Speaker 3>for the Elizabeths of.

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<v Speaker 4>The world, Yes, you do. So.

0:26:39.480 --> 0:26:42.520
<v Speaker 3>Two years later, eighteen fourteen, he popped back up in

0:26:42.600 --> 0:26:47.400
<v Speaker 3>Saint John, New Brunswick, and he was making friends. So

0:26:47.880 --> 0:26:50.400
<v Speaker 3>he budied up with an officer of a local regiment,

0:26:50.480 --> 0:26:54.400
<v Speaker 3>Colonel Daniel, and Old Danny wanted a horse, but not

0:26:54.440 --> 0:26:57.440
<v Speaker 3>just Danny horse. He wanted a black horse that would

0:26:57.440 --> 0:27:00.520
<v Speaker 3>match the team that pulled his carriage. Was all about

0:27:00.520 --> 0:27:02.720
<v Speaker 3>the aesthetics of it. You know, you know, you might

0:27:02.720 --> 0:27:03.200
<v Speaker 3>as well.

0:27:03.080 --> 0:27:04.320
<v Speaker 4>Be get the horse you can get.

0:27:04.440 --> 0:27:06.840
<v Speaker 3>So his new pal Smith is like, look at me,

0:27:07.080 --> 0:27:09.439
<v Speaker 3>I'm coming to the rescue. I know exactly where you

0:27:09.480 --> 0:27:13.080
<v Speaker 3>can get one. That's exactly what you want. So Daniel

0:27:13.240 --> 0:27:15.080
<v Speaker 3>gives him the money go buy the horse for me,

0:27:15.240 --> 0:27:17.280
<v Speaker 3>like you know, orders him around. That's your new friend,

0:27:17.280 --> 0:27:20.440
<v Speaker 3>you make him go to your chores military and so

0:27:20.520 --> 0:27:22.640
<v Speaker 3>Smith gets the money and you can guess what happened.

0:27:22.960 --> 0:27:25.000
<v Speaker 3>He took off never see him again. He took the

0:27:25.000 --> 0:27:29.320
<v Speaker 3>money and ran no horse, no horse, So he still

0:27:29.359 --> 0:27:32.840
<v Speaker 3>wanted a horse for himself though. Smith, he got it

0:27:32.880 --> 0:27:36.639
<v Speaker 3>in my head when someone's like, you know, they suggest something,

0:27:36.800 --> 0:27:37.240
<v Speaker 3>you know, do.

0:27:37.160 --> 0:27:39.080
<v Speaker 4>You want a burrito? And you're like, I didn't, but

0:27:39.160 --> 0:27:39.679
<v Speaker 4>now you do.

0:27:40.000 --> 0:27:41.040
<v Speaker 3>Now I think I could go from.

0:27:41.080 --> 0:27:44.080
<v Speaker 4>Now I've got the money for a burrito exactly.

0:27:44.560 --> 0:27:47.280
<v Speaker 3>So he wants a horse. But at the same time,

0:27:47.320 --> 0:27:49.440
<v Speaker 3>he didn't want to use all this cash that he had,

0:27:50.800 --> 0:27:54.360
<v Speaker 3>so he stole one that belonged to Will's Frederick Knox,

0:27:54.520 --> 0:27:58.440
<v Speaker 3>a magistrate, and he likes sticking it to the legal establishment.

0:27:58.600 --> 0:28:01.080
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so why not right to the man who's going

0:28:01.119 --> 0:28:01.640
<v Speaker 4>to bust you.

0:28:01.640 --> 0:28:04.920
<v Speaker 3>Will's Frederick not rob from him. Yeah, the magistrate, he

0:28:05.000 --> 0:28:08.760
<v Speaker 3>was the son of a British Undersecretary of State and

0:28:08.840 --> 0:28:11.840
<v Speaker 3>he really loved his horse and he wanted him back.

0:28:12.520 --> 0:28:15.359
<v Speaker 3>So he gets word of this and like a description

0:28:15.720 --> 0:28:18.919
<v Speaker 3>of Smith, and he chased after Smith for four days

0:28:19.440 --> 0:28:21.439
<v Speaker 3>trying to catch him and get the horse back. Like

0:28:21.480 --> 0:28:23.840
<v Speaker 3>he wanted justice. He cold justice.

0:28:23.880 --> 0:28:26.320
<v Speaker 4>I'm surprised you didn't hire like some Scottish klan to

0:28:26.440 --> 0:28:27.840
<v Speaker 4>hunt him down or something.

0:28:28.080 --> 0:28:31.879
<v Speaker 3>He found Smith four days later, three hundred miles away

0:28:32.840 --> 0:28:35.400
<v Speaker 3>and picked two Nova Scotiah and.

0:28:36.160 --> 0:28:39.160
<v Speaker 4>I will take old Nova scost Oh not pick two? Yeah,

0:28:39.600 --> 0:28:42.560
<v Speaker 4>I thought I just take any two novascosts you were offering.

0:28:43.400 --> 0:28:49.520
<v Speaker 3>Sorry, go on, So they he gets arrested. He tries

0:28:49.520 --> 0:28:51.960
<v Speaker 3>to escape a handful of times from this, but he's

0:28:52.000 --> 0:28:55.240
<v Speaker 3>eventually brought back to New Brunswick for trial. So while

0:28:55.280 --> 0:28:57.960
<v Speaker 3>he's locked up, Smith meets a guy who will change

0:28:57.960 --> 0:29:01.840
<v Speaker 3>his life. And the man was named Walter Bates, and

0:29:01.880 --> 0:29:05.440
<v Speaker 3>he was the county sheriff. They actually wind up changing

0:29:05.480 --> 0:29:10.360
<v Speaker 3>each other's lives. Bates became obsessed with Smith. Wait what

0:29:10.520 --> 0:29:12.959
<v Speaker 3>the sheriff. The sheriff fascinated.

0:29:12.400 --> 0:29:14.400
<v Speaker 4>But he's not behind bars. He's not a dirty sheriff.

0:29:14.440 --> 0:29:16.480
<v Speaker 4>He's running the person running the prison.

0:29:16.600 --> 0:29:19.520
<v Speaker 3>He's like a straight ahead. He later wrote about Smith

0:29:19.600 --> 0:29:23.960
<v Speaker 3>quote as a character singular and unprecedented. He was just

0:29:24.320 --> 0:29:28.880
<v Speaker 3>fascinated by him. Really yeah. So as the trial approached Smith,

0:29:29.000 --> 0:29:33.160
<v Speaker 3>he keeps moaning about a pain in his side. Real bad.

0:29:33.440 --> 0:29:36.880
<v Speaker 3>He said, like, real bad, I got big bad booboo.

0:29:36.960 --> 0:29:40.440
<v Speaker 3>Bates is like, how did that happen? That's how he talked.

0:29:41.760 --> 0:29:42.840
<v Speaker 4>We've heard tapes, I've.

0:29:42.680 --> 0:29:47.720
<v Speaker 3>Seen video He's like, how did that happen? And Smith

0:29:47.960 --> 0:29:50.840
<v Speaker 3>told him that when Knox caught him, he hit Smith

0:29:50.880 --> 0:29:53.680
<v Speaker 3>in the side with the butt of his pistol and

0:29:53.680 --> 0:29:56.040
<v Speaker 3>that whether he broke a rib or damaged an oregon,

0:29:56.080 --> 0:29:59.760
<v Speaker 3>who knows, but he's just in complete agony. Baits is like,

0:30:00.000 --> 0:30:01.680
<v Speaker 3>oh my god, that's terrible.

0:30:01.800 --> 0:30:02.920
<v Speaker 4>You got guts man.

0:30:03.000 --> 0:30:06.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So he gets worse and worse, and they Bates

0:30:06.600 --> 0:30:08.680
<v Speaker 3>brings in a bunch of different doctors to look at him,

0:30:08.680 --> 0:30:10.840
<v Speaker 3>but they couldn't seem to make it any better. And

0:30:10.880 --> 0:30:12.320
<v Speaker 3>when it got to the point where he could like

0:30:12.400 --> 0:30:15.040
<v Speaker 3>hardly lift his head, he asked for someone to come

0:30:15.040 --> 0:30:17.360
<v Speaker 3>and take down his will as he was going to

0:30:17.400 --> 0:30:21.160
<v Speaker 3>dictate it to sure. So Bates he wrote to call

0:30:21.280 --> 0:30:24.400
<v Speaker 3>on Smith's lawyer. He said, quote, I fear we shall

0:30:24.440 --> 0:30:27.200
<v Speaker 3>be disappointed in our expectations of the trial of the

0:30:27.200 --> 0:30:30.920
<v Speaker 3>prisoner more Smith at the approaching court. I presume from

0:30:30.960 --> 0:30:34.120
<v Speaker 3>his appearance he will be removed by death before that time.

0:30:34.600 --> 0:30:35.880
<v Speaker 4>Death is a coming on a coling.

0:30:36.000 --> 0:30:37.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he's not going to make it to trial. And

0:30:38.000 --> 0:30:41.280
<v Speaker 3>that afternoon Smith screams out in pain and he asks

0:30:41.320 --> 0:30:43.800
<v Speaker 3>the guard to heat up a brick and bring it

0:30:43.840 --> 0:30:46.560
<v Speaker 3>to warm his feet. Okay, brick you know, yeah?

0:30:46.600 --> 0:30:48.720
<v Speaker 4>Can they put it in like a blanket, And.

0:30:48.680 --> 0:30:50.800
<v Speaker 3>Like the tender hearted guard, he's like, oh my god.

0:30:50.880 --> 0:30:53.200
<v Speaker 3>Of course he ran to get him the brick, and

0:30:53.240 --> 0:30:57.000
<v Speaker 3>then he accidentally left the cell door open, and like

0:30:57.040 --> 0:30:59.320
<v Speaker 3>the guy can barely move. You're not thinking, you know,

0:31:00.480 --> 0:31:03.680
<v Speaker 3>his eyes are rolled back in his He's on his stepbed.

0:31:04.440 --> 0:31:06.840
<v Speaker 3>The guard comes back with the brick and Smith is gone.

0:31:08.040 --> 0:31:11.400
<v Speaker 3>He played the long game. Yeah that was a long

0:31:11.840 --> 0:31:14.760
<v Speaker 3>so Bates and the brick Toning Guard. They wound up

0:31:14.800 --> 0:31:18.360
<v Speaker 3>facing charges of negligence for allowing the prisoner to escape,

0:31:19.040 --> 0:31:23.040
<v Speaker 3>and New Brunswick's Attorney General, Thomas Wetmore, he put up

0:31:23.040 --> 0:31:27.240
<v Speaker 3>a reward for Smith's capture. It wasn't like he was

0:31:27.320 --> 0:31:30.680
<v Speaker 3>laying low and hiding out there. He started burgling on

0:31:30.720 --> 0:31:35.320
<v Speaker 3>the regular. He lifted a silver watch, cash, like a

0:31:35.320 --> 0:31:37.520
<v Speaker 3>bunch of other stuff from a house near the jail.

0:31:38.360 --> 0:31:40.720
<v Speaker 3>Off again, he's like, I know where I need to go.

0:31:40.800 --> 0:31:47.400
<v Speaker 3>I'm going west to Maine. Oh right, So he's like,

0:31:47.760 --> 0:31:49.960
<v Speaker 3>he stopped for food at a tavern and while he

0:31:50.040 --> 0:31:52.640
<v Speaker 3>was there, he stole a bunch of silver teaspoons. I

0:31:52.800 --> 0:31:57.000
<v Speaker 3>just can't control himself. He stayed at an inn near Fredericton,

0:31:57.240 --> 0:31:59.880
<v Speaker 3>the colony's capital, of course, and stole a bunch of

0:32:00.000 --> 0:32:03.040
<v Speaker 3>expensive clothes out of someone else's luggage. Like he went

0:32:03.120 --> 0:32:04.720
<v Speaker 3>into their roominsze.

0:32:04.880 --> 0:32:07.480
<v Speaker 4>My hands, everything sticky.

0:32:07.600 --> 0:32:10.360
<v Speaker 3>Like the fellow travelers. They didn't suspect him of anything.

0:32:10.440 --> 0:32:14.640
<v Speaker 3>They he told him he was a businessman, one of them.

0:32:14.680 --> 0:32:17.560
<v Speaker 3>He's like, I'm a bounty hunter chasing an army deserter.

0:32:18.920 --> 0:32:21.200
<v Speaker 3>Here's the best. He's like, I'm a law man on

0:32:21.280 --> 0:32:23.800
<v Speaker 3>the trail of a notorious horse thief who broke out

0:32:23.840 --> 0:32:28.880
<v Speaker 3>of Kingston jail, chasing myself. All of his tall tails

0:32:28.920 --> 0:32:32.680
<v Speaker 3>and small steps caught up with him. He was busted

0:32:32.960 --> 0:32:35.040
<v Speaker 3>just as he was about to enter the United States.

0:32:35.680 --> 0:32:38.080
<v Speaker 3>They locked him up ankles and wrists, and they sent

0:32:38.200 --> 0:32:41.160
<v Speaker 3>him back to Kingston to stand trial. The whole wrists

0:32:41.160 --> 0:32:44.400
<v Speaker 3>and ankle thing wasn't enough, though, because like once again,

0:32:44.720 --> 0:32:47.920
<v Speaker 3>he slips the shackles and he finds sweet sweet freedom.

0:32:48.280 --> 0:32:51.000
<v Speaker 3>He'd only been in custody a few hours when he

0:32:51.080 --> 0:32:54.040
<v Speaker 3>took off into the night. So he heads back to Fredericton,

0:32:54.560 --> 0:32:57.920
<v Speaker 3>and once he's there he steals choice. He steals another horse. Okay,

0:32:59.080 --> 0:33:02.000
<v Speaker 3>it's like the hot wire of to day, Like he

0:33:02.080 --> 0:33:04.760
<v Speaker 3>steals them from stables at night. But it'd be funnier

0:33:04.760 --> 0:33:08.720
<v Speaker 3>if he horse jacked him. Like you know, someone's riding

0:33:08.760 --> 0:33:10.720
<v Speaker 3>up and like get a stop. He shoves off the

0:33:10.800 --> 0:33:15.320
<v Speaker 3>saddle and rides off, but there's no plates to So

0:33:15.880 --> 0:33:19.360
<v Speaker 3>remember New Brunswick's Attorney General, Thomas Wetmore, the one who

0:33:19.360 --> 0:33:22.640
<v Speaker 3>announced the rewards leading to his capture. So on the run.

0:33:22.680 --> 0:33:27.440
<v Speaker 3>This time Smith broke into his house and while Wetmore

0:33:27.560 --> 0:33:29.120
<v Speaker 3>was having a dinner party.

0:33:28.960 --> 0:33:31.640
<v Speaker 4>Yes early dinner gang energy.

0:33:31.520 --> 0:33:34.120
<v Speaker 3>Completely and so he didn't crap on the drapes like that.

0:33:34.600 --> 0:33:37.440
<v Speaker 3>Instead he grabbed a bunch of the guests coats and

0:33:37.520 --> 0:33:39.320
<v Speaker 3>scurried away, like that'll show up.

0:33:39.400 --> 0:33:41.640
<v Speaker 4>I love in Canada stealing coats the.

0:33:44.160 --> 0:33:46.480
<v Speaker 3>Like. This time the cops found him, they hauled them away.

0:33:46.480 --> 0:33:52.880
<v Speaker 3>Where was he hiding in a barn? Okay, I think

0:33:52.920 --> 0:33:56.520
<v Speaker 3>he was probably All his loot, including the coats, was

0:33:56.560 --> 0:34:00.400
<v Speaker 3>hidden under the hay in the lost and so you

0:34:00.440 --> 0:34:03.040
<v Speaker 3>know they like, he's like, fine, fine, you got me,

0:34:03.120 --> 0:34:05.960
<v Speaker 3>you got me. Let's take a break, we come back.

0:34:05.960 --> 0:34:08.239
<v Speaker 3>I'm going to tell you about his next adventure. And

0:34:08.280 --> 0:34:32.120
<v Speaker 3>it's a doozy Elizabeth Zarin, Hey, hey, I got I

0:34:32.120 --> 0:34:34.399
<v Speaker 3>got first time you did you gave in first? Good job.

0:34:35.080 --> 0:34:37.240
<v Speaker 3>So Henry Moore Smith? How much Smith?

0:34:37.520 --> 0:34:38.279
<v Speaker 4>More Smith? R?

0:34:38.360 --> 0:34:41.600
<v Speaker 3>Smith? They brought him back to Kingston, the one in Canada,

0:34:41.680 --> 0:34:44.239
<v Speaker 3>not in Jamaica. Ah, and they locked him up.

0:34:44.440 --> 0:34:46.080
<v Speaker 4>Yeah that one has not as good as music.

0:34:46.280 --> 0:34:50.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the Jamaica. So back with he's back with Sheriff Bates.

0:34:51.680 --> 0:34:54.560
<v Speaker 3>He loves him and Bates. Yeah, Bates is fooling around

0:34:54.560 --> 0:34:59.760
<v Speaker 3>this time though. They well, they gave Smith the full body,

0:34:59.760 --> 0:35:04.440
<v Speaker 3>sirch and then they chained him to the floor by

0:35:04.480 --> 0:35:09.839
<v Speaker 3>the leg. So it wasn't long before a sound was heard.

0:35:10.360 --> 0:35:13.719
<v Speaker 3>Not Smith crying in agony over a created ailment. It

0:35:13.880 --> 0:35:15.560
<v Speaker 3>was the sound of filing.

0:35:15.200 --> 0:35:16.440
<v Speaker 4>Metal, of course.

0:35:16.600 --> 0:35:19.000
<v Speaker 3>So the guards run to the cell and they find

0:35:19.080 --> 0:35:20.719
<v Speaker 3>him halfway out the window, just like.

0:35:21.480 --> 0:35:24.200
<v Speaker 4>Find Baker working for him. Let me get that for.

0:35:24.280 --> 0:35:28.680
<v Speaker 3>You, baits baits Baker. So they find him hanging halfway

0:35:28.719 --> 0:35:30.520
<v Speaker 3>out the window. They grab his legs, they ink him

0:35:30.560 --> 0:35:33.839
<v Speaker 3>back into the cell. They demanded that he hand over

0:35:34.000 --> 0:35:36.799
<v Speaker 3>the tools that he'd used, and so he passes them

0:35:36.800 --> 0:35:38.799
<v Speaker 3>this little saw that he made out of a knife blade.

0:35:38.840 --> 0:35:43.160
<v Speaker 3>He's like and I don't know how he got that

0:35:43.200 --> 0:35:46.000
<v Speaker 3>one in there, but he didn't want to know. I

0:35:46.000 --> 0:35:48.520
<v Speaker 3>don't want to know. Like maybe he started sporting a

0:35:48.600 --> 0:35:55.640
<v Speaker 3>huge pompadour. Probably probably, So the guards they got a

0:35:55.680 --> 0:35:58.120
<v Speaker 3>new chain and they locked him up again, and then

0:35:58.160 --> 0:36:01.520
<v Speaker 3>they heard a noise, the same metal filing noise. Now

0:36:02.320 --> 0:36:05.280
<v Speaker 3>you and I have learned that modern day bank employees

0:36:05.280 --> 0:36:07.759
<v Speaker 3>would probably assume it was rats or a short in

0:36:07.800 --> 0:36:11.279
<v Speaker 3>the candles corners. Yeah, they'd shrug it off and then

0:36:11.320 --> 0:36:12.200
<v Speaker 3>they get cleaned out.

0:36:12.280 --> 0:36:14.080
<v Speaker 4>Yea, that can't be filed the file.

0:36:14.239 --> 0:36:17.360
<v Speaker 3>So luckily these guards were on it. So they dashed

0:36:17.400 --> 0:36:19.640
<v Speaker 3>back to the cell and they find Smith sitting there

0:36:20.080 --> 0:36:22.120
<v Speaker 3>kind of like a kid who was just doing something

0:36:22.160 --> 0:36:23.719
<v Speaker 3>and then ran back to the bed to sit on

0:36:23.760 --> 0:36:25.520
<v Speaker 3>it like a good, god fearing child when.

0:36:26.040 --> 0:36:28.880
<v Speaker 4>Absolutely nothing, absolutely just sitting there staring back at you.

0:36:29.080 --> 0:36:34.000
<v Speaker 3>Totally. So the guards tell him stripped down. Oh and

0:36:34.080 --> 0:36:38.440
<v Speaker 3>so he's like, what is this? Three doors? So he obeyed,

0:36:38.520 --> 0:36:42.480
<v Speaker 3>and the guards discovered a ten inch saw blade tied

0:36:42.520 --> 0:36:45.800
<v Speaker 3>to his thigh with a string. Wow that's comfortable, Yeah

0:36:46.040 --> 0:36:51.640
<v Speaker 3>sounds wow. Okay, Sheriff Bates outraged. He's just livid.

0:36:51.800 --> 0:36:54.040
<v Speaker 4>I thought, I could trust he's always been through.

0:36:54.200 --> 0:36:56.640
<v Speaker 3>He's like, I'm not about to be embarrassed again. So

0:36:56.680 --> 0:36:59.319
<v Speaker 3>he calls a blacksmith and he orders the guy to

0:36:59.360 --> 0:37:03.320
<v Speaker 3>craft an eye in collar for Smith and leg irons

0:37:03.800 --> 0:37:07.360
<v Speaker 3>and handcuffs, and then he wants each of those chained

0:37:07.400 --> 0:37:11.440
<v Speaker 3>to the floor. The whole get up wound up weighing

0:37:11.560 --> 0:37:15.200
<v Speaker 3>forty six pounds. Wow, can you imagine that?

0:37:15.360 --> 0:37:17.680
<v Speaker 4>I know who hired the kinkster to run the prison?

0:37:17.960 --> 0:37:20.240
<v Speaker 3>Like? Ca can you picture it? Zarren?

0:37:20.600 --> 0:37:21.800
<v Speaker 4>No, I don't think I can.

0:37:22.320 --> 0:37:26.319
<v Speaker 3>To close your eyes. Oh, I'm gonna have you picture it.

0:37:27.760 --> 0:37:30.320
<v Speaker 3>You are a jailer at the lock up in Kingston,

0:37:30.440 --> 0:37:33.640
<v Speaker 3>New Brunswick. You're sitting in your quiet opposite the jail,

0:37:33.719 --> 0:37:37.400
<v Speaker 3>reading the paper and softly whistling to yourself. You started

0:37:37.440 --> 0:37:39.400
<v Speaker 3>a couple of weeks ago, and it's not a bad gig.

0:37:39.719 --> 0:37:42.400
<v Speaker 3>You've heard lots of stories though about Henry Moore Smith.

0:37:42.800 --> 0:37:45.600
<v Speaker 3>He's a thief, but more importantly, he's an escape artist.

0:37:46.080 --> 0:37:48.960
<v Speaker 3>He really got Sheriff Bates good last time, and the

0:37:49.000 --> 0:37:51.880
<v Speaker 3>sheriff didn't take kindly to that. But you've also noticed

0:37:51.880 --> 0:37:54.880
<v Speaker 3>that the sheriff talks about Smith in weirdly reverential tones.

0:37:54.920 --> 0:37:56.920
<v Speaker 3>He's kind of in awe of him, and is for

0:37:56.960 --> 0:37:59.719
<v Speaker 3>sure fascinated by him, and is desperate to know what

0:37:59.760 --> 0:38:02.759
<v Speaker 3>makes the sky tick. Smith is back now, and you've

0:38:02.760 --> 0:38:05.600
<v Speaker 3>been told to keep a tight eye on him. Yesterday,

0:38:05.600 --> 0:38:07.839
<v Speaker 3>the blacksmith came and locked it up like you've never

0:38:07.920 --> 0:38:11.799
<v Speaker 3>seen before. Chains, shackles, cups. He looks afright, and you

0:38:11.920 --> 0:38:14.280
<v Speaker 3>can't imagine what it would feel like to be bound

0:38:14.400 --> 0:38:17.160
<v Speaker 3>like that. Last night they had to call the locksmith

0:38:17.239 --> 0:38:19.640
<v Speaker 3>back to shorten the chains after he tried to wrap

0:38:19.760 --> 0:38:22.480
<v Speaker 3>the ones he had around his neck. Suddenly you hear

0:38:22.520 --> 0:38:26.680
<v Speaker 3>a commotion. It's Smith, for sure, and he's shouting chains rattle.

0:38:27.120 --> 0:38:30.760
<v Speaker 3>Smith calls out Bible verses in between screeches and moans.

0:38:31.160 --> 0:38:33.560
<v Speaker 3>He's off his rocker, you think to yourself as you

0:38:33.640 --> 0:38:37.120
<v Speaker 3>run to the cell. He's in the cell, bashing his

0:38:37.200 --> 0:38:39.960
<v Speaker 3>hand against the walls, slamming the chain into the bricks.

0:38:40.440 --> 0:38:43.960
<v Speaker 3>With a clink, the chain snaps, Smith stops and you

0:38:44.000 --> 0:38:47.160
<v Speaker 3>stare at each other in silence. The broken link clatters

0:38:47.200 --> 0:38:49.839
<v Speaker 3>to the ground. You tell Smith to stay right there

0:38:49.920 --> 0:38:51.839
<v Speaker 3>while you shout down the hall for someone to get

0:38:51.840 --> 0:38:55.160
<v Speaker 3>the blacksmith again. You're thankful for the four other chains

0:38:55.200 --> 0:38:58.359
<v Speaker 3>that hold Smith there against his will. Although no one

0:38:58.400 --> 0:39:01.360
<v Speaker 3>would get hurt if he escaped again, just Sheriff bates

0:39:01.400 --> 0:39:04.080
<v Speaker 3>his pride in your career. You walk into the cell

0:39:04.120 --> 0:39:06.760
<v Speaker 3>and you sit on the floor beside Smith. His hands

0:39:06.760 --> 0:39:09.520
<v Speaker 3>and ankles are bloody. He has a crazed look in

0:39:09.560 --> 0:39:12.600
<v Speaker 3>his eye. You've seen that before. Once you were walking

0:39:12.680 --> 0:39:14.520
<v Speaker 3>in the woods with your father and you came upon

0:39:14.560 --> 0:39:16.920
<v Speaker 3>a wolf with its leg caught in a trap. The

0:39:16.960 --> 0:39:19.720
<v Speaker 3>wolf snarled at you, but its eyes showed deep terror.

0:39:20.200 --> 0:39:21.800
<v Speaker 3>You asked your dad if he was going to shoot

0:39:21.800 --> 0:39:24.480
<v Speaker 3>the wolf put it out of his misery. He assessed

0:39:24.520 --> 0:39:27.080
<v Speaker 3>the beautiful beast's leg from afar and determine it was

0:39:27.080 --> 0:39:29.560
<v Speaker 3>something that could heal if it were free. He got

0:39:29.560 --> 0:39:32.360
<v Speaker 3>a big stick and approached the wolf. The wolf lashed

0:39:32.360 --> 0:39:35.440
<v Speaker 3>out and snarled some more, but its eyes just showed desperation.

0:39:36.080 --> 0:39:38.000
<v Speaker 3>Your father was able to ledge the stick into the

0:39:38.040 --> 0:39:40.560
<v Speaker 3>trap and free the wolf. It sprinted away from you

0:39:40.640 --> 0:39:43.840
<v Speaker 3>without a second glance, no limp or yelp. As pained

0:39:43.840 --> 0:39:46.680
<v Speaker 3>as it was, it wasn't interested in hurting you. It

0:39:46.760 --> 0:39:48.680
<v Speaker 3>just wanted to be free, even if it meant to

0:39:48.760 --> 0:39:51.560
<v Speaker 3>die in the woods on its own terms. That's what

0:39:51.640 --> 0:39:54.480
<v Speaker 3>you see as you look into Henry Smith's eyes. He

0:39:54.680 --> 0:39:57.480
<v Speaker 3>is raving, he is shouting, he is quoting the Bible

0:39:57.520 --> 0:40:00.480
<v Speaker 3>and flailing against his shackles. But his eyes showed terror.

0:40:00.800 --> 0:40:03.480
<v Speaker 3>He just wants to be free. You go to the

0:40:03.480 --> 0:40:05.080
<v Speaker 3>corner of the cell and you get a wet rag

0:40:05.120 --> 0:40:08.080
<v Speaker 3>from a bucket. You softly wipe the blood from his arms,

0:40:08.080 --> 0:40:11.080
<v Speaker 3>from his neck. He writhes against you, but you can

0:40:11.120 --> 0:40:13.440
<v Speaker 3>see in his eyes that he knows you mean him

0:40:13.440 --> 0:40:16.200
<v Speaker 3>no harm and you don't fear him. You have nothing

0:40:16.200 --> 0:40:20.080
<v Speaker 3>but compassion for him. Society and circumstance have driven him

0:40:20.120 --> 0:40:25.440
<v Speaker 3>to this state, just like the wolf. So Smith's horse

0:40:25.480 --> 0:40:27.920
<v Speaker 3>theft trial kicked off May eighteen fifty.

0:40:28.000 --> 0:40:32.280
<v Speaker 4>That was beautiful. I mean, I gotta say honestly, normally

0:40:32.320 --> 0:40:34.920
<v Speaker 4>they're pretty darn funny, but that one was beautiful. I

0:40:35.000 --> 0:40:36.320
<v Speaker 4>loved my father.

0:40:36.640 --> 0:40:38.960
<v Speaker 3>The wolf, Oh, I.

0:40:38.960 --> 0:40:41.799
<v Speaker 4>Was deep, and the snow I was there, Yes, I

0:40:41.840 --> 0:40:42.160
<v Speaker 4>was there.

0:40:42.480 --> 0:40:43.200
<v Speaker 3>And then I had.

0:40:43.120 --> 0:40:46.480
<v Speaker 4>Compassion for my fellow human. I mean, it's just amazing.

0:40:46.960 --> 0:40:47.920
<v Speaker 3>But threw a lot together.

0:40:48.239 --> 0:40:51.880
<v Speaker 4>I'm a better person. That was a journey.

0:40:51.960 --> 0:40:57.680
<v Speaker 3>He is human. So Smith's horse Trial, Yes, May eighteen fifteen,

0:40:58.640 --> 0:41:01.759
<v Speaker 3>He gets brought into the per's dock for trial, and

0:41:01.960 --> 0:41:04.400
<v Speaker 3>he kept up this wild behavior. He like, rip it

0:41:04.480 --> 0:41:10.080
<v Speaker 3>his shirt and snap his fingers.

0:41:08.040 --> 0:41:11.040
<v Speaker 4>Like I've waited on people like that before. I have

0:41:11.120 --> 0:41:11.600
<v Speaker 4>had vibe.

0:41:11.640 --> 0:41:14.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah so, and he like At one point he kicked

0:41:14.560 --> 0:41:16.719
<v Speaker 3>at the wooden railing until they had to bring leg

0:41:16.760 --> 0:41:20.319
<v Speaker 3>irons and bind him up again, just flailing around. The

0:41:20.360 --> 0:41:24.280
<v Speaker 3>prosecutor was Attorney General Wetmore, the guy whose dinner party

0:41:24.280 --> 0:41:27.680
<v Speaker 3>guests said their coat still totally. I will not recuse

0:41:27.719 --> 0:41:30.799
<v Speaker 3>your honor. I have a personal interest in this. I

0:41:30.840 --> 0:41:33.160
<v Speaker 3>don't think they had an insanity defense.

0:41:33.200 --> 0:41:36.240
<v Speaker 4>Then that's what I was just about asking when that comes.

0:41:36.719 --> 0:41:38.239
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, and I was too lazy to look

0:41:38.239 --> 0:41:38.480
<v Speaker 3>it up.

0:41:38.719 --> 0:41:40.680
<v Speaker 4>I don't really know if they even would acknowledge it.

0:41:40.680 --> 0:41:42.359
<v Speaker 4>It's the same thing we recognized it as.

0:41:42.400 --> 0:41:44.120
<v Speaker 3>Then I looked it up and I wondered to myself

0:41:44.160 --> 0:41:45.880
<v Speaker 3>today did they have it? And I thought, should you

0:41:45.920 --> 0:41:47.640
<v Speaker 3>look it up? And I thought, yeah I should. Am

0:41:47.680 --> 0:41:48.480
<v Speaker 3>I going to know?

0:41:49.280 --> 0:41:49.640
<v Speaker 4>You know what?

0:41:49.680 --> 0:41:51.600
<v Speaker 3>Who knows? Who cares? If you want to find it out,

0:41:51.760 --> 0:41:55.080
<v Speaker 3>there's Google exactly exactly, said.

0:41:54.880 --> 0:41:57.680
<v Speaker 4>Burnett, typing, okay, is it the cheese?

0:41:58.280 --> 0:42:01.399
<v Speaker 3>So but the lawyer, he's like, I've got it. He

0:42:01.440 --> 0:42:03.960
<v Speaker 3>points out that when Smith was arrested, he wasn't on

0:42:04.200 --> 0:42:08.880
<v Speaker 3>the horse. He was just so there's no way to

0:42:08.920 --> 0:42:11.600
<v Speaker 3>prove possession. He's just near it. It seems like a

0:42:11.719 --> 0:42:17.800
<v Speaker 3>sound argument worked out exactly. So it went to the

0:42:17.880 --> 0:42:20.520
<v Speaker 3>jury and they discussed it for two hours, and then

0:42:20.560 --> 0:42:25.400
<v Speaker 3>they came back guilty and they him to be hanged.

0:42:25.560 --> 0:42:29.920
<v Speaker 3>Damn right. So Attorney General Wetmore he asked for a

0:42:30.000 --> 0:42:33.200
<v Speaker 3>report on Smith's state of mind and behavior before he

0:42:33.200 --> 0:42:35.840
<v Speaker 3>could set a date for the execution. Not the century

0:42:35.880 --> 0:42:39.680
<v Speaker 3>to be stealing horses, No, and so Bates he goes

0:42:39.719 --> 0:42:41.839
<v Speaker 3>to Smith's cell to try to talk to him about

0:42:41.840 --> 0:42:45.880
<v Speaker 3>the whole situation. But apparently Bates said quote he paid

0:42:45.880 --> 0:42:48.879
<v Speaker 3>no attention, patted his hands, saying and acted the fool

0:42:48.920 --> 0:42:49.440
<v Speaker 3>as usual.

0:42:49.880 --> 0:42:55.040
<v Speaker 4>Bits is real hard after all the time. To him,

0:42:56.080 --> 0:42:56.799
<v Speaker 4>he plays.

0:42:58.280 --> 0:43:01.080
<v Speaker 3>And he's just slapping himself. In what were to be

0:43:01.120 --> 0:43:04.800
<v Speaker 3>his final days, he made a bunch of puppets using

0:43:05.600 --> 0:43:10.719
<v Speaker 3>fabric from his clothes, puppets straw from his bedding, and

0:43:10.760 --> 0:43:13.960
<v Speaker 3>then he called them his family man. He would put

0:43:13.960 --> 0:43:16.560
<v Speaker 3>on puppet shows for the staff or like any visitors,

0:43:16.560 --> 0:43:17.200
<v Speaker 3>that would come in.

0:43:17.400 --> 0:43:19.880
<v Speaker 4>Did he marry one of them because.

0:43:19.480 --> 0:43:24.480
<v Speaker 3>He's very and then he was, oh, my wife. So

0:43:24.719 --> 0:43:28.040
<v Speaker 3>by August things are looking bleak that they're looking and

0:43:28.080 --> 0:43:32.160
<v Speaker 3>then they weren't. His lawyer had been working around the

0:43:32.239 --> 0:43:35.640
<v Speaker 3>clock to save him and it worked. He was pardoned.

0:43:36.600 --> 0:43:41.840
<v Speaker 3>He was crazy, but maistrate was like, yeah, they were like,

0:43:41.960 --> 0:43:45.000
<v Speaker 3>look at this behavior. He does not know anything about

0:43:45.000 --> 0:43:45.640
<v Speaker 3>what's going on.

0:43:46.040 --> 0:43:48.000
<v Speaker 4>So they would rather feed him than put him in

0:43:48.040 --> 0:43:48.480
<v Speaker 4>the rope.

0:43:48.840 --> 0:43:50.040
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I suppose.

0:43:50.160 --> 0:43:52.400
<v Speaker 4>I just don't understand it. That type of morality sometimes,

0:43:52.760 --> 0:43:55.000
<v Speaker 4>like what you're gonna punish him this way? Like keep

0:43:55.120 --> 0:43:55.479
<v Speaker 4>him alive.

0:43:56.440 --> 0:44:00.160
<v Speaker 3>They took pity on him and compassion. Bates goes to

0:44:00.239 --> 0:44:03.440
<v Speaker 3>Smith in the cell and is like, homie, you've been pardoned.

0:44:04.000 --> 0:44:07.799
<v Speaker 3>Smith doesn't understand or care. He's just like what he

0:44:07.840 --> 0:44:12.040
<v Speaker 3>said something about wanting potatoes for dinner. So one condition

0:44:14.120 --> 0:44:16.040
<v Speaker 3>and they're not going to actually have to pay for

0:44:16.080 --> 0:44:19.040
<v Speaker 3>his upkeep, because one condition of the release was that

0:44:19.080 --> 0:44:21.560
<v Speaker 3>he had to get the h double hockey sticks out

0:44:21.600 --> 0:44:24.680
<v Speaker 3>of wondering about someone else's.

0:44:24.800 --> 0:44:26.680
<v Speaker 4>Go be crazy down in Newfoundland.

0:44:26.800 --> 0:44:29.279
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, to go to the United States. They got a

0:44:29.280 --> 0:44:33.520
<v Speaker 3>lot of you guys down there, so baits Bates was

0:44:33.600 --> 0:44:38.880
<v Speaker 3>sad to see him. Bates is like, we've spent a

0:44:38.960 --> 0:44:43.080
<v Speaker 3>year together. Of course I feel bad really like Bates

0:44:43.160 --> 0:44:45.239
<v Speaker 3>is like trying so hard to connect with him that

0:44:45.360 --> 0:44:49.320
<v Speaker 3>he can't. So he buys Smith a whole brand new outfit,

0:44:49.440 --> 0:44:52.080
<v Speaker 3>like a first day of school outfit, and buys him

0:44:52.080 --> 0:44:55.040
<v Speaker 3>a ticket on a ship headed for Nova Scotia. Wow,

0:44:55.160 --> 0:44:59.400
<v Speaker 3>and like he mumbles and shuffles. Smith mumbles and shuffles,

0:44:59.400 --> 0:45:01.680
<v Speaker 3>and he looks all dazed as he gets on the boat.

0:45:01.719 --> 0:45:04.680
<v Speaker 3>And like Bates stands there and watches the boat sail

0:45:04.719 --> 0:45:08.160
<v Speaker 3>away with his little wounded wolf on board, and I'm

0:45:08.200 --> 0:45:11.920
<v Speaker 3>sure he is like a hanky. So the boat docks

0:45:11.920 --> 0:45:15.959
<v Speaker 3>in Nova Scotia, and Smith made like Kaiser, so say,

0:45:16.080 --> 0:45:18.040
<v Speaker 3>and lost the limp on his way off the boat

0:45:18.520 --> 0:45:20.360
<v Speaker 3>walked off a fully seen man.

0:45:20.400 --> 0:45:21.760
<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, I was Kaiser.

0:45:23.719 --> 0:45:29.440
<v Speaker 3>When straighten up, it straightens out at Nova Scotia. The

0:45:29.520 --> 0:45:33.279
<v Speaker 3>act worked. He weaseled his way to Yeah. A few

0:45:33.360 --> 0:45:36.840
<v Speaker 3>years went by. He really is willing to commit long,

0:45:37.239 --> 0:45:38.680
<v Speaker 3>long game every time.

0:45:38.760 --> 0:45:39.400
<v Speaker 4>Incredible.

0:45:39.880 --> 0:45:42.200
<v Speaker 3>He a few years later, he's going by the name

0:45:42.239 --> 0:45:45.840
<v Speaker 3>William Newman. He gets arrested in new Haven, Connecticut for

0:45:45.880 --> 0:45:50.640
<v Speaker 3>stealing jewelry silver. Oh yeah, he's like stealing from innkeepers

0:45:50.680 --> 0:45:53.000
<v Speaker 3>at this point. And then he worked the oh my

0:45:53.120 --> 0:45:56.880
<v Speaker 3>side is killing me con there for a bit, but

0:45:57.000 --> 0:45:59.560
<v Speaker 3>like striking out with that gambit. He then decided to

0:45:59.600 --> 0:46:03.040
<v Speaker 3>saw his way through the cell door. He gets recaptured.

0:46:03.840 --> 0:46:06.399
<v Speaker 3>He was convicted of burglary at trial and he got

0:46:06.400 --> 0:46:10.400
<v Speaker 3>three years of hard labor and investigators discovered his previous

0:46:10.440 --> 0:46:16.840
<v Speaker 3>identity and contacted Sheriff Bates, and Bates rushed, Yeah, he

0:46:16.920 --> 0:46:19.680
<v Speaker 3>goes down there. Bates goes to his cell and Smith

0:46:19.760 --> 0:46:22.960
<v Speaker 3>acts like he's never seen Baits before in his life. Wow,

0:46:23.200 --> 0:46:24.719
<v Speaker 3>He's like, who are you?

0:46:24.840 --> 0:46:26.840
<v Speaker 4>Would you love to see like Matt Damon and Philip

0:46:26.880 --> 0:46:30.439
<v Speaker 4>Seymour Hoffman play that same right, I know we can't

0:46:30.440 --> 0:46:30.879
<v Speaker 4>get that.

0:46:30.800 --> 0:46:35.719
<v Speaker 3>But would oh god? Yeah. So Bates he's baffled, but

0:46:35.760 --> 0:46:42.120
<v Speaker 3>he's like a little crushed and so after doing devastated.

0:46:43.160 --> 0:46:45.759
<v Speaker 3>So he you know, Smith does his time and he

0:46:45.760 --> 0:46:47.719
<v Speaker 3>gets sort of lost in the shuffle. He's hard to

0:46:47.760 --> 0:46:50.960
<v Speaker 3>track in this era, but that didn't stop Bates. He

0:46:51.080 --> 0:46:54.479
<v Speaker 3>spent the rest of his days trying to track Smith down.

0:46:55.280 --> 0:46:57.480
<v Speaker 3>He said that he could connect Smith to thefts in

0:46:57.560 --> 0:47:03.040
<v Speaker 3>Boston New York, Connecticut, Ontario, Canada. Bates heard about a

0:47:03.080 --> 0:47:06.720
<v Speaker 3>preacher named Henry Hopkins in the South who got arrested

0:47:06.719 --> 0:47:09.319
<v Speaker 3>in eighteen twenty seven and was sentenced to seven years

0:47:09.320 --> 0:47:12.400
<v Speaker 3>in prison. He was sure that that was Smith, but

0:47:12.480 --> 0:47:14.640
<v Speaker 3>he couldn't make it down there, and he wasn't able

0:47:14.680 --> 0:47:18.520
<v Speaker 3>to physically confirm it. But basically, any time there was

0:47:18.560 --> 0:47:21.320
<v Speaker 3>a report of a clever thief, Bates was like, it's Smith.

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<v Speaker 3>It's my boy, It's there. He goes, there's that beautiful boy.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to buy him another suit, and Smith sous eye.

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<v Speaker 3>Smith so captivating him that Bates joined the Ridiculous Crime

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<v Speaker 3>Book Club, and he really a corker of all time.

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<v Speaker 3>Called The Mysterious Stranger, or Memoirs of the Noted Henry

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<v Speaker 3>Moore Smith Guess what.

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<v Speaker 4>You're Getting for your Birthday?

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<v Speaker 3>It was published in Connecticut, then it gets republished in England.

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<v Speaker 3>The Halifax newspaper, The Acadian Recorder.

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<v Speaker 4>A great Acadian paper.

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<v Speaker 3>Serialized it in eighteen seventeen and they sold the book

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<v Speaker 3>for a shilling a copy. And The Mysterious Stranger had

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<v Speaker 3>seven printings.

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<v Speaker 4>I bet it did.

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<v Speaker 3>The last one was in It appeared in nineteen twelve.

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<v Speaker 3>That was one hundred years after Smith.

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<v Speaker 4>Got to a chin of money.

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<v Speaker 3>Christ's Cloud Story certified hit. The combined sales at that

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<v Speaker 3>time topped forty thousand copies.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, I can make this.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a lot even today.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you can make this into a movie. And how

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<v Speaker 4>immediately a new.

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<v Speaker 3>Edition of it was published in nineteen seventy nine. Wow. So.

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<v Speaker 3>At the end of The Mysterious Stranger, Bates wrote, quote,

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<v Speaker 3>in all the adventures, we are not called upon to

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<v Speaker 3>witness any acts of violence and blood. And it is

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<v Speaker 3>perhaps owing to the absence of this repulsive trait, that

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<v Speaker 3>we do not behold him in a more relentless light.

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<v Speaker 3>So basically, he didn't hurt nobody. Yeah, yeah, so, and

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<v Speaker 3>that's what makes him a ridiculous criminal, perfect, ridiculous, totally.

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<v Speaker 4>The only person you heard was Baits, really, my man, Bait? Yeah, yes,

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<v Speaker 4>he just bruised it repeatedly.

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<v Speaker 3>What's your ridiculous takeaway? Oh man?

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<v Speaker 4>I okay, I gotta admit I think we should dip

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<v Speaker 4>our toes more into the Canadian waters because some of

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<v Speaker 4>those crimes up there are just so filled with a

0:49:15.000 --> 0:49:17.799
<v Speaker 4>bizarre passion. You know, it's like it's not like that.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't. I'm not trying to like fall into like

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<v Speaker 4>the oh it's the Great White North and they're cold

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<v Speaker 4>and lonely. But I think they're cold and lonely up

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<v Speaker 4>there in the Great White North, Elizabeth, because we always

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<v Speaker 4>hear that these stories of like couples going across the country,

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<v Speaker 4>people being committed to like in Canada is always he's

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<v Speaker 4>very big and grand and long lasting and like this

0:49:38.760 --> 0:49:41.120
<v Speaker 4>guy commits to the bit. There's something about it that

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<v Speaker 4>has like a Texas quality of bigger than life, but

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<v Speaker 4>but but the old but humble. You know, it's like

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<v Speaker 4>a humble and kind version of the we're bigger than

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<v Speaker 4>life but Canada. So anyway, that's mine. What's yours? Elizabeth?

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<v Speaker 4>What's your ridiculous takeaway? Thank you for asking of course

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<v Speaker 4>every time you know why I got your back.

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<v Speaker 3>For once you asked me. I I'm just into the

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<v Speaker 3>long game of it all, Like I think, if you're

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<v Speaker 3>gonna do it, commit like wow, And that's that's putting

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of trust in your your your long game.

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<v Speaker 4>Totally and that all things would go out but work

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<v Speaker 4>out your benefit. Also, he didn't take the moment to

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<v Speaker 4>like when the boat's pulling away to break then and

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<v Speaker 4>kind of wave because then someone could chase the boat down.

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<v Speaker 4>He waited until the boat got to the next nation.

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<v Speaker 4>Then he's like, Okay, I think I'm free.

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<v Speaker 3>I respect that. I know you too. All right, that's

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<v Speaker 3>what I have. Oh oh you know what we do

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<v Speaker 3>need I talk about?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, when you queue that up?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, I want.

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<v Speaker 5>Heyes, Erin and Elizabeth. I wanted to update you on

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<v Speaker 5>something totally ridiculous going on on the internet right now.

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<v Speaker 5>If you need any industrial glarade glycine, uh dong Hua

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<v Speaker 5>gene Long is your man. You see, there is a

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<v Speaker 5>manufacturer of industrial grade glycine in China that made a

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<v Speaker 5>TikTok advertising their product and it has gone absolutely viral.

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<v Speaker 5>And I think that's ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, okay, I don't have the TikTok no, but glycine.

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<v Speaker 4>That is this is I like that someone can go

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<v Speaker 4>viral pushing glycine.

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<v Speaker 3>I know, right.

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<v Speaker 4>That's now I want to know what that.

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<v Speaker 3>Is ridiculous, that is certified. I gotta find the video.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't send us the video, the interns will find it.

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<v Speaker 4>Video.

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<v Speaker 3>That's all I have for today. You can find us

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<v Speaker 3>online at Ridiculous Crime dot com. You can find us

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<v Speaker 3>on social media, but not TikTok. Do you have TikTok?

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<v Speaker 4>I'm trying to get rid of all of them, one

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<v Speaker 4>at a time. One or two I think I've gotten

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<v Speaker 4>I think I still have accounts, but I only look

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<v Speaker 4>at like.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I don't have the TikTok. Email Ridiculous Crime at

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