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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hello, producer Dave Interns did go to voicemail. We have

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Speaker 2: to change the outgoing message from something other than just

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Speaker 2: the sound of a truck backing up.

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Speaker 3: Listen.

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Speaker 2: We got caught again. The resort boys ran a pit

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Speaker 2: maneuver on us on a country road and we flipped

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Speaker 2: the airport shuttle. We're okay, We're okay, but they've taken

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Speaker 2: us to a black site and an abandoned red roof

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Speaker 2: in this place is dismal bleak. There's no HBO or

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Speaker 2: MAX or whatever they're calling it. Now. We're gonna bust

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Speaker 2: out tonight. We've been collecting bed sheets, tearing them into strips,

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Speaker 2: braiding and weaving them like the ancients of the York.

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Speaker 2: We have a really elaborate rope ladder built. I wanted

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Speaker 2: to die in a fun color with some fruit punch

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Speaker 2: crystal light in the bathtub from mustash. I keep in

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Speaker 2: my shoe, But zaren say, we don't have time for

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Speaker 2: the so we won't be in today, but.

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Speaker 3: We should know the sweet taste of freedom.

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Speaker 2: Very soon, and an action next week. In the meantime,

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Speaker 2: remember that guy in Engram A long time Ago who

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Speaker 2: escaped from jail a lot? Can you run that episode

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Speaker 2: as inspiration for us? Appreciate you doing.

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Speaker 3: Zaren Burnette.

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Speaker 4: Yo, Elizabeth Dutton, what's up, Claude?

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Speaker 3: Not much? How are you doing today?

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Speaker 4: Doing pretty well? Doing pretty well? Thanks for asking? How

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Speaker 4: are you?

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Speaker 3: I'm great as always. I'm just scurvat so happy to

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Speaker 3: hear that. Listen. You know it's ridiculous. Yes, I do

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Speaker 3: give it to me.

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Speaker 4: Okay, Elizabeth, all right, I'm not I want to preface this.

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Speaker 4: I'm not making fun of the front part. I'm making

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Speaker 4: part of the back part. Okay. Last year, there's this

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Speaker 4: news story about this guy, Christian Montenegro okay, and he

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Speaker 4: married a rag doll. Like not, that's not I'm not

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Speaker 4: casting aspersions on this person. No, no, like his wife,

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Speaker 4: Natalia is a rag doll, and uh, he broke up

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Speaker 4: with his ex girlfriend, right, And so then he started

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Speaker 4: dating Natalia, the rag doll, And then he decided, well,

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Speaker 4: of this. So then he got married to the rag doll.

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Speaker 4: And people are like this, this is not not right.

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Speaker 4: People are like, no, no, he's it's fine. So they're debating, right, Anyway.

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Speaker 4: This is the part that it gets me because I

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Speaker 4: don't whatever you've been marry what bridge, marry a building out? Okay, Right.

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Speaker 4: There was a video last year of him going to

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Speaker 4: the doctors in which he's called paramedics because he was

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Speaker 4: worried that his rag doll had fallen. Ill. Now keep

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Speaker 4: in mind they have three rag doll children, so he

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Speaker 4: was worried he was going to be a single rag

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Speaker 4: doll father to their rag doll kiss.

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Speaker 3: Where where is this?

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Speaker 4: And it goes long enough that I do not think

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Speaker 4: it's a prank. I have to believe that this is

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Speaker 4: a compulsion. It is into South America. Why are you

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Speaker 4: being like, what does it matter where he is?

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Speaker 3: I want to go down there and slap them.

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Speaker 4: It takes place in the land of magical realism.

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Speaker 3: Colombia, Oh, Colombia, Oh, Columbia. So there you go, ridiculous, right,

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Speaker 3: and spark three guess what three things ridiculous?

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Speaker 4: Three rag doll kids, a rag doll wife. You know,

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Speaker 4: when he gets sick, he goes to a people a

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Speaker 4: people hospital, Elizabeth, I need to go to a rag

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Speaker 4: doll hospital.

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Speaker 3: I'm a progressive. Where is the.

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Speaker 4: Fine taking a rag doll to a human hospital. It's

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Speaker 4: like taking me to a vent that we come on,

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Speaker 4: do you want to save your wife or not?

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Speaker 3: Because we got the cops on her tail.

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Speaker 4: That's why that I recommend it.

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to be like, you know, if he

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Speaker 3: wants to love ad No.

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Speaker 4: Three or something, I think we can afford another conversation.

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Speaker 4: He sewed another kid.

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Speaker 3: You don't get to do that kind of like, come on, now,

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Speaker 3: come on now, that is ridiculous. That's ridiculous. Do you

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Speaker 3: know what else is ridiculous? No, but I'm here for it,

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Speaker 3: escaping and then escaping and then escaping some more.

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Speaker 4: I like the spirit.

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Speaker 3: This is ridiculous crime A podcast about absurd and outrageous capers.

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Speaker 3: Heycin Cuns. It's always ninety nine percent murder free and

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Speaker 3: one hundred percent ridiculous.

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Speaker 4: Note you heard that.

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Speaker 3: You've talked about escape artists before.

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Speaker 4: Once or twice. Yes, I'm a fan.

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Speaker 3: Those who break out of lock up and make it

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Speaker 3: an absolute art.

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Speaker 4: Yes, a statement, multiple attempts.

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Speaker 3: A commentary on man's isolation amid the masses and desperate

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Speaker 3: need for liberation. You know something high falutine like that

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Speaker 3: that talk. I like that you focused on more recent

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Speaker 3: ridiculous escapermen.

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Speaker 4: Yes, and the ridiculousness of the artist.

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Speaker 3: A postmodern analysis completely. I want to take us back.

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Speaker 3: You heard I want to take his way back. Hey,

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Speaker 3: I got two ogs for you to Oh wow, oh geez,

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Speaker 3: all right, let's start in the seventeen hundred. This is

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Speaker 3: like you starting everything going back to Dracula. Dracula.

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Speaker 4: I'm always yeah, like when memed the second could have

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Speaker 4: killed Dracula, Draca could have killed second goes back to

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Speaker 4: the second and then he failed. Yeah, I glad Paler

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Speaker 4: failed to kill Memod the second. You get America, that's

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Speaker 4: when you're.

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Speaker 3: Like, what caused the Cuban missile crisis? You're like, well, okay, well.

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Speaker 4: It starts with me, you know, the second in the

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Speaker 4: Fall of Constantinople in fourteen fifty three.

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Speaker 3: Now every time, so I'm taking to the seventeen hundreds,

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Speaker 3: and I'm not going to mangle any French or Italian pronunciations.

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Speaker 4: Oh man.

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Speaker 3: Not because I've worked hard on my diction and my focus. No,

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Speaker 3: it's because there aren't any nice hoorah. Okay, So the

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Speaker 3: first dude is a fellow named Jack Shepherd. I can

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Speaker 3: say that nice. You got that Jack Shepherds. Now I'm

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Speaker 3: gonna screw hard. He's known as the eighteenth century's most

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Speaker 3: notorious robber and thief. That's saying a lot. Is it

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Speaker 3: purely in his home country of England, likely because he

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Speaker 3: wasn't a global phenom, kind of a highwayman. Not really,

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Speaker 3: you'll see, okay. He was also referred to as the

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Speaker 4: One of those kind of guy glamours ar yes, m

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Speaker 4: a jigglow with deep pockets. He drops things in.

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Speaker 3: He was born. He was born on March fourth? Yes,

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Speaker 3: did you ever when when I was in high school

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Speaker 3: we used to say to the nuns that he'd raise

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Speaker 3: your hand and be like, what's today's date, and they'd

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Speaker 3: say March fourth, and we'd all get up and walk forward.

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Speaker 4: You're making that up. He did not really do that,

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Speaker 4: Did you guys actually get up out of your seats?

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Speaker 4: You really did? Multiple kids?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, just one time, one March wow. And then we

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Speaker 3: looked at each other and we're like, oh God, I love.

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Speaker 4: That for you know, do you actually have that? That's

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Speaker 4: so precious and dear? He was, but this was March forth,

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Speaker 3: Well, it's like better than when May the fourth, when

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Speaker 3: people do the hell no, no, no, March fourth. So

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Speaker 3: his family was terribly poor. They lived in Spittlefields in

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Speaker 3: London in the east endeld Well know. The location gets

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Speaker 3: its name from the fact that many of the original

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Speaker 3: inhabitants had both poorly formed dentician and severe allergies. I

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Speaker 3: don't leading them. Well, no, it led them to like

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Speaker 3: produce abnormally large quantities of saliva, and those were expelled

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Speaker 4: Thus Spittlefields, the pollen rich meadow, the gas in their

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Speaker 4: teeth and they yelled.

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Speaker 3: At And you think this is funny?

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Speaker 4: Do you think this is funny.

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Speaker 3: Because it's not true. The land actually belonged to Saint

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Speaker 3: Mary's Spittle, a hospital built in eleven ninety seven. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: so spittle is a corruption of the word hospital. Okay,

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Speaker 3: but I think my explanation is way better.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I told so much better. So they dropped

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Speaker 4: the hoe and made spittle.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, drop the hoe. Okay, So an earlier name for

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Speaker 3: the area was Lallsworth. Lol, like laugh out loud. You

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Speaker 3: did not you made It's true that's true. So in

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Speaker 3: Jack Shepherd's time, it was an area notorious for highwaymen,

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Speaker 3: as you said, bad men, yes, and prostitutes and so

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Speaker 3: Jack he stayed away from all that. When he was

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Speaker 3: fifteen he got an apprenticeship with a carpenter. Five years later,

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Speaker 3: he's twenty years old. Because I can do math, and

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Speaker 3: I also had to be hooked on phonics. He was

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Speaker 3: an accomplished craftsman, of course, twenty years old. He was

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Speaker 4: They don't have TV.

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Speaker 3: No, he was all the time in the world. He

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Speaker 4: I was on your candle light. You can be working, kid.

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Speaker 3: He was a litland. He was five four spine bone slight.

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Speaker 3: But he had like this dazzling smile. He didn't have

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Speaker 3: the Spittlefields dentician. He had a dazzling smile and a

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Speaker 3: magnetic personality, and so that made him really popular in

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Speaker 3: the shady underbelly of Spittlefields. And so most notably was

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Speaker 3: a prostitute named Elizabeth Lyon aka Edgeworth. Best Edgeworth, Edgeworth,

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Speaker 3: Bestka District. Best. Best was a big, beautiful mama whole

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Speaker 3: lot of ros, very popular with the fellas and Jack

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Speaker 3: was sprung hubba hubba. And so the more time and

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Speaker 3: money he spent with Best, the deeper into that dark

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Speaker 3: side of things. He got. Lots of drinking, lots of carousing. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: Are no will be selling his tools?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Well, as a one time man of the train,

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, and you have to have your tools.

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Speaker 3: You can't send things just you can't like send things

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Speaker 3: to voicemail and ignore the inbox. So his income took

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Speaker 3: was because he was spending all this money on booze

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Speaker 3: and on the Best. Yeah, and so he had to

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Speaker 3: make ends meet. He needed cash. He started stealing. In

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Speaker 3: the spring of seventeen twenty three, he got busted for

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Speaker 3: the first time shoplifting.

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Speaker 4: Taking other people's tools.

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Speaker 3: Shoplifters of the world unite and takeover, he yelled, Did

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Speaker 3: he really that's no, that's a Smith's lyric.

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Speaker 4: Oh, I thought they pulled it from him, like it's

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Speaker 4: an old British story.

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Speaker 3: I just have never heard he had. He was spinall

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Speaker 3: over the I'm not going to believe anything. So soon

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Speaker 3: enough he starts hanging out with a very bad ombre

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Speaker 3: named Joseph Blake aka Blueskin.

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Speaker 4: William Blake's little brother, Blueskin. Are you kidding me?

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Speaker 3: No, one's really sure how he got that name.

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Speaker 4: Colloidal silver, that's how he got that name.

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Speaker 3: He had like a really swarthy complexion. He was also blue,

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Speaker 3: super hairy, Okay, especially in the facial region. So maybe

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Speaker 3: that was it. This is what they're speculating. Some thought

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Speaker 3: maybe had a port wine birthmark.

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Speaker 4: Okay, maybe more sense.

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Speaker 3: He could have been part smurf.

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Speaker 4: That's I'm going with that one. From the waist down, okay,

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Speaker 4: like a mermaid or something. You know, it's like fish

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Speaker 4: Okay, well I thought his feet he can't. Yeah, his legs,

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Speaker 3: Blueskin. He shows Jack Shepherd the ropes takes him from

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Speaker 4: He was an interesting line there, professional thief amateur SHOPLIFTERA

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Speaker 3: So he gets arrested and imprisoned five times between seventeen

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Speaker 3: That's where they invented the roundhouse.

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Speaker 4: They had the roundhouse just for.

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Speaker 4: Like all the cut pursons go here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Bess came to visit him, and that was a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, somehow Jack gets a hold of a file these things. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: how are you going to do that? They did it

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Speaker 4: If they're standing on one shoulder and you get one up,

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Speaker 4: A big lady. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: She threw them over and rope back over.

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Speaker 3: Let's say that's how it happened, right, let me just

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Speaker 3: I like that wrote back over exactly.

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Speaker 4: She climbed up, and she's got a baby.

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Speaker 3: They went imprisoned. No more.

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Speaker 4: That's a lot of filing too, and that you ever

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Speaker 3: Can we just say cute couple alerts? Oh my god,

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Speaker 4: Oh dude, ship them forever.

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Speaker 3: Seventeen twenty four. A year later, Jack's twenty two. He

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Speaker 3: was still on his thieving bs. He gets caught. He

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Speaker 4: What did he steal?

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Speaker 3: I don't know. He stole the Declaration of Independence before

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Speaker 3: it was written. The cell for the condemned at Newgate

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Speaker 4: Are you kidding?

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Speaker 3: No, that's August thirtieth, seventeen twenty four. Jack filed away

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Speaker 3: just like I'm good, and she brought the rope, and

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Speaker 3: then she brought another prostitute with her, a gal named

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Speaker 3: Mal Maggot, mall maggot, m o l l oh mall

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Speaker 3: like Molly Maggot. Okay, And now I'm not of that world,

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Speaker 3: but I would imagine that's not a name that drums

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Speaker 3: Perhaps you know a dead girl. Oh be sick. Okay,

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Speaker 3: So Bess and Mal they waltzen to visit Jack on

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Speaker 3: death Row, and they managed to distract the guard. How okay,

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Speaker 3: His last escape was his most famous one. It was

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Speaker 3: So the location was once again Newgate Prison. The jailers

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Speaker 3: at some point he managed to get his thin wrists

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Speaker 4: Important things. Yeah, broken window, I'm telling you.

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Speaker 3: So he used the nail to pick the lock on

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Speaker 3: then he used the nail to pick the lock on

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Speaker 4: This is like the TV shows I watched like The Musketeers,

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Speaker 4: Like this is so escape plane, totally get a nail,

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Speaker 3: You know. He's on the roof of the prison. I

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Speaker 3: So he runs back to the cell and he grabs

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Speaker 4: He breaks back into the prison.

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Speaker 3: Where's the staff? Where's the staff? Anyway, he runs back

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Speaker 3: then he pops into a top floor window. This place

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Speaker 3: I would have gone to a blacksmith, but like you know, any.

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Speaker 3: So he swanned around for two weeks just partying it up,

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Speaker 3: When it was time to take him to the gallows,

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Speaker 3: That was his book, except Jack didn't write it. Daniel

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Speaker 3: Dafoe did. Yeah. They're pals called Ghost Road Book. Yeah so,

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Speaker 3: and they were such pals that Daniel Dafoe and his

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Speaker 4: Yeah, back then, sometimes hangings you'd hear about this.

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Speaker 3: It's the old equival of like one hack. They don't

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Speaker 3: Well sometimes next Yeah, my cousin knows a guy who

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Speaker 3: That kind of thing totally works. They saw it on

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Speaker 3: it's up for debate anyway, Rip to that man. Plays

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Speaker 3: eighteen forty, William Harrison Ainsworth wrote a novel called Jack

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Speaker 3: care for that, so much so that they refused to

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Speaker 4: Wait before we take a break, Harry Styles, get on this.

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Speaker 4: You can get back from Timothy shallow May all the

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Speaker 4: riz He's stolen from you. This is it? Yeah, now

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Speaker 4: get it? And also a David Bowie soundtrack.

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Speaker 3: You got It's perfect. When we come back, I'm going

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Speaker 3: to tell you about a guy who was often compared

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Speaker 4: I'm digging this dude, That Jack Sheppard was dope.

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Speaker 3: What else you got, Well, we're having a lot of fun,

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Speaker 3: Yes we are. And I've already killed a man off.

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Speaker 4: You tap with the state, no less.

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Speaker 3: So this new Henry Moorese Smith is his name, Henry

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Speaker 3: Morrisemith m o r E. Like just how much Smith Morse? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Henry More Smith. He was the North American Jack Shepherd,

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Speaker 3: goes down about like one hundred years after Jack Shephard

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Speaker 3: eighteen thirties, twenties eighteen early eighteen teens. Okay, Smith is

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Speaker 3: a con man, horse thief, burglar, and most importantly and

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Speaker 3: escape artist. He had a bunch of aliases Frederick, Henry Moore,

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Speaker 4: Are good forgettable it sounding really.

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Speaker 3: Good names exactly. So eighteen twelve, he arrives in Halifax, Nova,

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Speaker 3: and polite in his mid twenties. He said he was

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Speaker 4: So one local, pretty good story, because there's a lot

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Speaker 4: of makes sense.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, a local said quote. He was perfectly inoffensive, gentle

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Speaker 3: and obliging, used no intoxicating liquors, refrained from idle conversation

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Speaker 3: Oh, I know, you've never said a bad word in

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Speaker 3: your life.

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00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:15,320
Speaker 4: No, I mean, is that weird? We're reading it?

436
00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:20,240
Speaker 3: You no intoxicating liquors, wild, doesn't smoke weed. Yeah, never

437
00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:22,760
Speaker 3: like the zaren Burnette story.

438
00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:24,520
Speaker 4: I never bad language.

439
00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:32,159
Speaker 3: Elizabeth Smith though. He said he went to Cambridge and

440
00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:35,000
Speaker 3: so just like you. Of course, fancy is what I'm

441
00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:38,760
Speaker 3: trying to He also said he said he could speak

442
00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:43,560
Speaker 3: five languages. It's basically the zaren Burnettes. He said he

443
00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:47,160
Speaker 3: had a small fortune held in the Bank of England, bingo.

444
00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:50,600
Speaker 3: Here's where it's like I was reading this and I

445
00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:53,680
Speaker 3: was like, is this Zaren or is this this Smith?

446
00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:56,600
Speaker 3: Because he carried a Bible with him all the time,

447
00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:59,120
Speaker 3: and he could recite whole chapters of scripture.

448
00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:01,360
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, you want to ruth, I'll tell you right now,

449
00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:08,520
Speaker 4: lays the ruth, the whole thing. Lay up some kings

450
00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:10,680
Speaker 4: to next maybe judges, what do you got how much

451
00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:11,360
Speaker 4: time you would?

452
00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:14,359
Speaker 3: They would ask this guy about his spiritual past, like

453
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:17,680
Speaker 3: tell us about your spiritual that's a question, right, I'm

454
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:21,040
Speaker 3: going to start asking. And he said he ran a

455
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:26,480
Speaker 3: Methodist prayer meeting back in England just like this. Here's

456
00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:28,240
Speaker 3: one that actually I could see you doing.

457
00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:28,639
Speaker 4: Okay.

458
00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,159
Speaker 3: One time someone asked him where he was from, and

459
00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,520
Speaker 3: he just laughed and pointed at the full moon.

460
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 4: That's very like that's going in the act.

461
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:40,200
Speaker 3: And so you know, all these people like they're kind

462
00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:43,960
Speaker 3: of captivated by him. One person was John Bond, not

463
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:52,040
Speaker 3: John Bond, Jovie John Bond, John Bond exactly double O six.

464
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:56,080
Speaker 3: He thought that Smith was the beasknees. So we hired

465
00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:58,840
Speaker 3: him to work on his farm near Windsor, just northwest

466
00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:02,679
Speaker 3: of Halifax, and Smith he fit right in with the family.

467
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:05,439
Speaker 3: He joined them for meals and prayers. He was like,

468
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:08,200
Speaker 3: hold on, I need to pray before I eat this scrule.

469
00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 3: So he also romance to the daughter. There are a

470
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:16,240
Speaker 3: lot of Elizabeths going on here today.

471
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:17,200
Speaker 4: God's a big fan of.

472
00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:23,119
Speaker 3: And so ministers. As was the custom of the day,

473
00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:26,960
Speaker 3: Smith married Elizabeth. Within the year. There you go, hey, quick, dude.

474
00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:27,600
Speaker 4: It happened.

475
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:30,720
Speaker 3: The couple moved out and Smith started his own tailor shop.

476
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:32,720
Speaker 3: He's like, you know what, I'm just going to go

477
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:33,360
Speaker 3: out on my own.

478
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:33,560
Speaker 4: Here.

479
00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:40,000
Speaker 3: Things were blissful, and until they weren't. In Halifax, at

480
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:44,080
Speaker 3: the big fancy mansions, things started going missing. Someone was

481
00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 3: slipping in during the night and stealing silver, jewelry, anything

482
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:52,439
Speaker 3: else of values, virtues. And it wasn't just palatial homes.

483
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:56,680
Speaker 3: Offices and stores got it, and it wasn't just expected

484
00:24:56,760 --> 00:25:00,000
Speaker 3: high ticket items. The Chief Justice of the British Colony

485
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:06,280
Speaker 3: of Nova Scotia Samson Salter Blowers. Samson Salter Blowers or

486
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 3: Salter Blowers. Yeah, he had three law books taken from

487
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:15,119
Speaker 3: his chambers. So the judge He's like, I kind of

488
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 3: need those, you guys. He offered a reward for their

489
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 3: return and a few days later, Henry Moore Smith shows up.

490
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,120
Speaker 3: He's like, I'm here to take the reward. He heard

491
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:26,200
Speaker 3: the book. He's like, I bought these from a stranger,

492
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 3: you know, as you do, don't. I don't practice the law,

493
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:31,639
Speaker 3: but I'd like these expensive law books please.

494
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:32,480
Speaker 4: You know.

495
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 3: He's like sitting minding his own business, sitting on a

496
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:38,400
Speaker 3: bench reading the Bible, just like sunning himself. Dude comes up.

497
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 3: You look like you're into big books. You want to

498
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:45,919
Speaker 3: buy some lawbooks. So the townsfolk weren't fools, so like

499
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:49,199
Speaker 3: where Smith is living in Windsor, they start thinking, like,

500
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 3: hold on a second. He he goes to Halifax a lot,

501
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 3: and he leaves early in the morning, and he doesn't

502
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 3: come back to like the next day he returned those books.

503
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,359
Speaker 3: Why would he buy them when he comes back to.

504
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 4: Law before?

505
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:05,920
Speaker 3: And he always has stuff with him when he gets

506
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,680
Speaker 3: back from Halifax, like random stuff and sometimes a lot

507
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:11,640
Speaker 3: of cash. And then there was a break in the case.

508
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:15,240
Speaker 3: A Halifax man got pinched for stealing a coat, but

509
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:17,400
Speaker 3: he swore up and down that he'd bought the coat

510
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 3: from Smith, so the authorities issued an arrest warrant. They

511
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,240
Speaker 3: headed out to pick Smith up in Windsor, but he

512
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:25,960
Speaker 3: was already in the wind That was his first escape,

513
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:29,679
Speaker 3: with many more to come. He disappeared for almost two years.

514
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:32,879
Speaker 3: There you go, yeah, and so what of Elizabeth, right,

515
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 3: She's just probably go back to the farm. I feel

516
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:37,199
Speaker 3: for the Elizabeths of.

517
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,440
Speaker 4: The world, Yes, you do. So.

518
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 3: Two years later, eighteen fourteen, he popped back up in

519
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:47,400
Speaker 3: Saint John, New Brunswick, and he was making friends. So

520
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:50,400
Speaker 3: he budied up with an officer of a local regiment,

521
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:54,400
Speaker 3: Colonel Daniel, and Old Danny wanted a horse, but not

522
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,440
Speaker 3: just Danny horse. He wanted a black horse that would

523
00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 3: match the team that pulled his carriage. Was all about

524
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 3: the aesthetics of it. You know, you know, you might

525
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:03,200
Speaker 3: as well.

526
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 4: Be get the horse you can get.

527
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 3: So his new pal Smith is like, look at me,

528
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,439
Speaker 3: I'm coming to the rescue. I know exactly where you

529
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 3: can get one. That's exactly what you want. So Daniel

530
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 3: gives him the money go buy the horse for me,

531
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 3: like you know, orders him around. That's your new friend,

532
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,440
Speaker 3: you make him go to your chores military and so

533
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:22,640
Speaker 3: Smith gets the money and you can guess what happened.

534
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 3: He took off never see him again. He took the

535
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 3: money and ran no horse, no horse, So he still

536
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 3: wanted a horse for himself though. Smith, he got it

537
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:36,639
Speaker 3: in my head when someone's like, you know, they suggest something,

538
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 3: you know, do.

539
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 4: You want a burrito? And you're like, I didn't, but

540
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:39,679
Speaker 4: now you do.

541
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 3: Now I think I could go from.

542
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 4: Now I've got the money for a burrito exactly.

543
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 3: So he wants a horse. But at the same time,

544
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,440
Speaker 3: he didn't want to use all this cash that he had,

545
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:54,360
Speaker 3: so he stole one that belonged to Will's Frederick Knox,

546
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:58,440
Speaker 3: a magistrate, and he likes sticking it to the legal establishment.

547
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, so why not right to the man who's going

548
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:01,640
Speaker 4: to bust you.

549
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,920
Speaker 3: Will's Frederick not rob from him. Yeah, the magistrate, he

550
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 3: was the son of a British Undersecretary of State and

551
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 3: he really loved his horse and he wanted him back.

552
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 3: So he gets word of this and like a description

553
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,919
Speaker 3: of Smith, and he chased after Smith for four days

554
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:21,439
Speaker 3: trying to catch him and get the horse back. Like

555
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 3: he wanted justice. He cold justice.

556
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 4: I'm surprised you didn't hire like some Scottish klan to

557
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 4: hunt him down or something.

558
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:31,879
Speaker 3: He found Smith four days later, three hundred miles away

559
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,400
Speaker 3: and picked two Nova Scotiah and.

560
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 4: I will take old Nova scost Oh not pick two? Yeah,

561
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 4: I thought I just take any two novascosts you were offering.

562
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 3: Sorry, go on, So they he gets arrested. He tries

563
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 3: to escape a handful of times from this, but he's

564
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 3: eventually brought back to New Brunswick for trial. So while

565
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 3: he's locked up, Smith meets a guy who will change

566
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 3: his life. And the man was named Walter Bates, and

567
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 3: he was the county sheriff. They actually wind up changing

568
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 3: each other's lives. Bates became obsessed with Smith. Wait what

569
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:12,959
Speaker 3: the sheriff. The sheriff fascinated.

570
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 4: But he's not behind bars. He's not a dirty sheriff.

571
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 4: He's running the person running the prison.

572
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 3: He's like a straight ahead. He later wrote about Smith

573
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 3: quote as a character singular and unprecedented. He was just

574
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 3: fascinated by him. Really yeah. So as the trial approached Smith,

575
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 3: he keeps moaning about a pain in his side. Real bad.

576
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 3: He said, like, real bad, I got big bad booboo.

577
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 3: Bates is like, how did that happen? That's how he talked.

578
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 4: We've heard tapes, I've.

579
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 3: Seen video He's like, how did that happen? And Smith

580
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 3: told him that when Knox caught him, he hit Smith

581
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 3: in the side with the butt of his pistol and

582
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 3: that whether he broke a rib or damaged an oregon,

583
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 3: who knows, but he's just in complete agony. Baits is like,

584
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 3: oh my god, that's terrible.

585
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 4: You got guts man.

586
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, So he gets worse and worse, and they Bates

587
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 3: brings in a bunch of different doctors to look at him,

588
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 3: but they couldn't seem to make it any better. And

589
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 3: when it got to the point where he could like

590
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 3: hardly lift his head, he asked for someone to come

591
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 3: and take down his will as he was going to

592
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 3: dictate it to sure. So Bates he wrote to call

593
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 3: on Smith's lawyer. He said, quote, I fear we shall

594
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 3: be disappointed in our expectations of the trial of the

595
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 3: prisoner more Smith at the approaching court. I presume from

596
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 3: his appearance he will be removed by death before that time.

597
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 4: Death is a coming on a coling.

598
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's not going to make it to trial. And

599
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 3: that afternoon Smith screams out in pain and he asks

600
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 3: the guard to heat up a brick and bring it

601
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 3: to warm his feet. Okay, brick you know, yeah?

602
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 4: Can they put it in like a blanket, And.

603
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 3: Like the tender hearted guard, he's like, oh my god.

604
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 3: Of course he ran to get him the brick, and

605
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 3: then he accidentally left the cell door open, and like

606
00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 3: the guy can barely move. You're not thinking, you know,

607
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 3: his eyes are rolled back in his He's on his stepbed.

608
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 3: The guard comes back with the brick and Smith is gone.

609
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 3: He played the long game. Yeah that was a long

610
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 3: so Bates and the brick Toning Guard. They wound up

611
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 3: facing charges of negligence for allowing the prisoner to escape,

612
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 3: and New Brunswick's Attorney General, Thomas Wetmore, he put up

613
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 3: a reward for Smith's capture. It wasn't like he was

614
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 3: laying low and hiding out there. He started burgling on

615
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 3: the regular. He lifted a silver watch, cash, like a

616
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 3: bunch of other stuff from a house near the jail.

617
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 3: Off again, he's like, I know where I need to go.

618
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 3: I'm going west to Maine. Oh right, So he's like,

619
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 3: he stopped for food at a tavern and while he

620
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 3: was there, he stole a bunch of silver teaspoons. I

621
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 3: just can't control himself. He stayed at an inn near Fredericton,

622
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 3: the colony's capital, of course, and stole a bunch of

623
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 3: expensive clothes out of someone else's luggage. Like he went

624
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 3: into their roominsze.

625
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 4: My hands, everything sticky.

626
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 3: Like the fellow travelers. They didn't suspect him of anything.

627
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 3: They he told him he was a businessman, one of them.

628
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 3: He's like, I'm a bounty hunter chasing an army deserter.

629
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 3: Here's the best. He's like, I'm a law man on

630
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 3: the trail of a notorious horse thief who broke out

631
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 3: of Kingston jail, chasing myself. All of his tall tails

632
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 3: and small steps caught up with him. He was busted

633
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 3: just as he was about to enter the United States.

634
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 3: They locked him up ankles and wrists, and they sent

635
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 3: him back to Kingston to stand trial. The whole wrists

636
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 3: and ankle thing wasn't enough, though, because like once again,

637
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 3: he slips the shackles and he finds sweet sweet freedom.

638
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 3: He'd only been in custody a few hours when he

639
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 3: took off into the night. So he heads back to Fredericton,

640
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 3: and once he's there he steals choice. He steals another horse. Okay,

641
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 3: it's like the hot wire of to day, Like he

642
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 3: steals them from stables at night. But it'd be funnier

643
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 3: if he horse jacked him. Like you know, someone's riding

644
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 3: up and like get a stop. He shoves off the

645
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 3: saddle and rides off, but there's no plates to So

646
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 3: remember New Brunswick's Attorney General, Thomas Wetmore, the one who

647
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 3: announced the rewards leading to his capture. So on the run.

648
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 3: This time Smith broke into his house and while Wetmore

649
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 3: was having a dinner party.

650
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 4: Yes early dinner gang energy.

651
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 3: Completely and so he didn't crap on the drapes like that.

652
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 3: Instead he grabbed a bunch of the guests coats and

653
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 3: scurried away, like that'll show up.

654
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 4: I love in Canada stealing coats the.

655
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 3: Like. This time the cops found him, they hauled them away.

656
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 3: Where was he hiding in a barn? Okay, I think

657
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 3: he was probably All his loot, including the coats, was

658
00:33:56,560 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 3: hidden under the hay in the lost and so you

659
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 3: know they like, he's like, fine, fine, you got me,

660
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 3: you got me. Let's take a break, we come back.

661
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 3: I'm going to tell you about his next adventure. And

662
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 3: it's a doozy Elizabeth Zarin, Hey, hey, I got I

663
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,399
Speaker 3: got first time you did you gave in first? Good job.

664
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:37,240
Speaker 3: So Henry Moore Smith? How much Smith?

665
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 4: More Smith? R?

666
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 3: Smith? They brought him back to Kingston, the one in Canada,

667
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:44,239
Speaker 3: not in Jamaica. Ah, and they locked him up.

668
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 4: Yeah that one has not as good as music.

669
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:50,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Jamaica. So back with he's back with Sheriff Bates.

670
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 3: He loves him and Bates. Yeah, Bates is fooling around

671
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:59,760
Speaker 3: this time though. They well, they gave Smith the full body,

672
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 3: sirch and then they chained him to the floor by

673
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:09,839
Speaker 3: the leg. So it wasn't long before a sound was heard.

674
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 3: Not Smith crying in agony over a created ailment. It

675
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 3: was the sound of filing.

676
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 4: Metal, of course.

677
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 3: So the guards run to the cell and they find

678
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 3: him halfway out the window, just like.

679
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 4: Find Baker working for him. Let me get that for.

680
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 3: You, baits baits Baker. So they find him hanging halfway

681
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 3: out the window. They grab his legs, they ink him

682
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,839
Speaker 3: back into the cell. They demanded that he hand over

683
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,799
Speaker 3: the tools that he'd used, and so he passes them

684
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:38,799
Speaker 3: this little saw that he made out of a knife blade.

685
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 3: He's like and I don't know how he got that

686
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 3: one in there, but he didn't want to know. I

687
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 3: don't want to know. Like maybe he started sporting a

688
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 3: huge pompadour. Probably probably, So the guards they got a

689
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 3: new chain and they locked him up again, and then

690
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 3: they heard a noise, the same metal filing noise. Now

691
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:05,280
Speaker 3: you and I have learned that modern day bank employees

692
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 3: would probably assume it was rats or a short in

693
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 3: the candles corners. Yeah, they'd shrug it off and then

694
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 3: they get cleaned out.

695
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 4: Yea, that can't be filed the file.

696
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:17,360
Speaker 3: So luckily these guards were on it. So they dashed

697
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 3: back to the cell and they find Smith sitting there

698
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 3: kind of like a kid who was just doing something

699
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 3: and then ran back to the bed to sit on

700
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 3: it like a good, god fearing child when.

701
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 4: Absolutely nothing, absolutely just sitting there staring back at you.

702
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 3: Totally. So the guards tell him stripped down. Oh and

703
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 3: so he's like, what is this? Three doors? So he obeyed,

704
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 3: and the guards discovered a ten inch saw blade tied

705
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:45,800
Speaker 3: to his thigh with a string. Wow that's comfortable, Yeah

706
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 3: sounds wow. Okay, Sheriff Bates outraged. He's just livid.

707
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 4: I thought, I could trust he's always been through.

708
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 3: He's like, I'm not about to be embarrassed again. So

709
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,319
Speaker 3: he calls a blacksmith and he orders the guy to

710
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:03,320
Speaker 3: craft an eye in collar for Smith and leg irons

711
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:07,360
Speaker 3: and handcuffs, and then he wants each of those chained

712
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 3: to the floor. The whole get up wound up weighing

713
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 3: forty six pounds. Wow, can you imagine that?

714
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 4: I know who hired the kinkster to run the prison?

715
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:20,240
Speaker 3: Like? Ca can you picture it? Zarren?

716
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:21,800
Speaker 4: No, I don't think I can.

717
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:26,319
Speaker 3: To close your eyes. Oh, I'm gonna have you picture it.

718
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,320
Speaker 3: You are a jailer at the lock up in Kingston,

719
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 3: New Brunswick. You're sitting in your quiet opposite the jail,

720
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 3: reading the paper and softly whistling to yourself. You started

721
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 3: a couple of weeks ago, and it's not a bad gig.

722
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 3: You've heard lots of stories though about Henry Moore Smith.

723
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 3: He's a thief, but more importantly, he's an escape artist.

724
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 3: He really got Sheriff Bates good last time, and the

725
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 3: sheriff didn't take kindly to that. But you've also noticed

726
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,880
Speaker 3: that the sheriff talks about Smith in weirdly reverential tones.

727
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 3: He's kind of in awe of him, and is for

728
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 3: sure fascinated by him, and is desperate to know what

729
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 3: makes the sky tick. Smith is back now, and you've

730
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 3: been told to keep a tight eye on him. Yesterday,

731
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:07,839
Speaker 3: the blacksmith came and locked it up like you've never

732
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:11,799
Speaker 3: seen before. Chains, shackles, cups. He looks afright, and you

733
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,280
Speaker 3: can't imagine what it would feel like to be bound

734
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 3: like that. Last night they had to call the locksmith

735
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 3: back to shorten the chains after he tried to wrap

736
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 3: the ones he had around his neck. Suddenly you hear

737
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 3: a commotion. It's Smith, for sure, and he's shouting chains rattle.

738
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:30,760
Speaker 3: Smith calls out Bible verses in between screeches and moans.

739
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 3: He's off his rocker, you think to yourself as you

740
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 3: run to the cell. He's in the cell, bashing his

741
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 3: hand against the walls, slamming the chain into the bricks.

742
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 3: With a clink, the chain snaps, Smith stops and you

743
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 3: stare at each other in silence. The broken link clatters

744
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:49,839
Speaker 3: to the ground. You tell Smith to stay right there

745
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:51,839
Speaker 3: while you shout down the hall for someone to get

746
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 3: the blacksmith again. You're thankful for the four other chains

747
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:58,359
Speaker 3: that hold Smith there against his will. Although no one

748
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,360
Speaker 3: would get hurt if he escaped again, just Sheriff bates

749
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 3: his pride in your career. You walk into the cell

750
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:06,760
Speaker 3: and you sit on the floor beside Smith. His hands

751
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 3: and ankles are bloody. He has a crazed look in

752
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 3: his eye. You've seen that before. Once you were walking

753
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 3: in the woods with your father and you came upon

754
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 3: a wolf with its leg caught in a trap. The

755
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,720
Speaker 3: wolf snarled at you, but its eyes showed deep terror.

756
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:21,800
Speaker 3: You asked your dad if he was going to shoot

757
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 3: the wolf put it out of his misery. He assessed

758
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 3: the beautiful beast's leg from afar and determine it was

759
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 3: something that could heal if it were free. He got

760
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:32,360
Speaker 3: a big stick and approached the wolf. The wolf lashed

761
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 3: out and snarled some more, but its eyes just showed desperation.

762
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 3: Your father was able to ledge the stick into the

763
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 3: trap and free the wolf. It sprinted away from you

764
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:43,840
Speaker 3: without a second glance, no limp or yelp. As pained

765
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 3: as it was, it wasn't interested in hurting you. It

766
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 3: just wanted to be free, even if it meant to

767
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 3: die in the woods on its own terms. That's what

768
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 3: you see as you look into Henry Smith's eyes. He

769
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 3: is raving, he is shouting, he is quoting the Bible

770
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 3: and flailing against his shackles. But his eyes showed terror.

771
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 3: He just wants to be free. You go to the

772
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 3: corner of the cell and you get a wet rag

773
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 3: from a bucket. You softly wipe the blood from his arms,

774
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 3: from his neck. He writhes against you, but you can

775
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 3: see in his eyes that he knows you mean him

776
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 3: no harm and you don't fear him. You have nothing

777
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 3: but compassion for him. Society and circumstance have driven him

778
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 3: to this state, just like the wolf. So Smith's horse

779
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 3: theft trial kicked off May eighteen fifty.

780
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:32,280
Speaker 4: That was beautiful. I mean, I gotta say honestly, normally

781
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 4: they're pretty darn funny, but that one was beautiful. I

782
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:36,320
Speaker 4: loved my father.

783
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 3: The wolf, Oh, I.

784
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:41,799
Speaker 4: Was deep, and the snow I was there, Yes, I

785
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 4: was there.

786
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 3: And then I had.

787
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 4: Compassion for my fellow human. I mean, it's just amazing.

788
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 3: But threw a lot together.

789
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:51,880
Speaker 4: I'm a better person. That was a journey.

790
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 3: He is human. So Smith's horse Trial, Yes, May eighteen fifteen,

791
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 3: He gets brought into the per's dock for trial, and

792
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 3: he kept up this wild behavior. He like, rip it

793
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 3: his shirt and snap his fingers.

794
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 4: Like I've waited on people like that before. I have

795
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 4: had vibe.

796
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 3: Yeah so, and he like At one point he kicked

797
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 3: at the wooden railing until they had to bring leg

798
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:20,319
Speaker 3: irons and bind him up again, just flailing around. The

799
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:24,280
Speaker 3: prosecutor was Attorney General Wetmore, the guy whose dinner party

800
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 3: guests said their coat still totally. I will not recuse

801
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 3: your honor. I have a personal interest in this. I

802
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 3: don't think they had an insanity defense.

803
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:36,240
Speaker 4: Then that's what I was just about asking when that comes.

804
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 3: I don't know, and I was too lazy to look

805
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 3: it up.

806
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 4: I don't really know if they even would acknowledge it.

807
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:42,359
Speaker 4: It's the same thing we recognized it as.

808
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 3: Then I looked it up and I wondered to myself

809
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 3: today did they have it? And I thought, should you

810
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 3: look it up? And I thought, yeah I should. Am

811
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 3: I going to know?

812
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 4: You know what?

813
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 3: Who knows? Who cares? If you want to find it out,

814
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 3: there's Google exactly exactly, said.

815
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 4: Burnett, typing, okay, is it the cheese?

816
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:01,399
Speaker 3: So but the lawyer, he's like, I've got it. He

817
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 3: points out that when Smith was arrested, he wasn't on

818
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 3: the horse. He was just so there's no way to

819
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 3: prove possession. He's just near it. It seems like a

820
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:17,800
Speaker 3: sound argument worked out exactly. So it went to the

821
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 3: jury and they discussed it for two hours, and then

822
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 3: they came back guilty and they him to be hanged.

823
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 3: Damn right. So Attorney General Wetmore he asked for a

824
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 3: report on Smith's state of mind and behavior before he

825
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 3: could set a date for the execution. Not the century

826
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 3: to be stealing horses, No, and so Bates he goes

827
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:41,839
Speaker 3: to Smith's cell to try to talk to him about

828
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:45,880
Speaker 3: the whole situation. But apparently Bates said quote he paid

829
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:48,879
Speaker 3: no attention, patted his hands, saying and acted the fool

830
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 3: as usual.

831
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 4: Bits is real hard after all the time. To him,

832
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 4: he plays.

833
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 3: And he's just slapping himself. In what were to be

834
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:04,800
Speaker 3: his final days, he made a bunch of puppets using

835
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 3: fabric from his clothes, puppets straw from his bedding, and

836
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 3: then he called them his family man. He would put

837
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 3: on puppet shows for the staff or like any visitors,

838
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 3: that would come in.

839
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 4: Did he marry one of them because.

840
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 3: He's very and then he was, oh, my wife. So

841
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 3: by August things are looking bleak that they're looking and

842
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 3: then they weren't. His lawyer had been working around the

843
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 3: clock to save him and it worked. He was pardoned.

844
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:41,840
Speaker 3: He was crazy, but maistrate was like, yeah, they were like,

845
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 3: look at this behavior. He does not know anything about

846
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 3: what's going on.

847
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 4: So they would rather feed him than put him in

848
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 4: the rope.

849
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I suppose.

850
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 4: I just don't understand it. That type of morality sometimes,

851
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 4: like what you're gonna punish him this way? Like keep

852
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:55,479
Speaker 4: him alive.

853
00:43:56,440 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 3: They took pity on him and compassion. Bates goes to

854
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 3: Smith in the cell and is like, homie, you've been pardoned.

855
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 3: Smith doesn't understand or care. He's just like what he

856
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 3: said something about wanting potatoes for dinner. So one condition

857
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 3: and they're not going to actually have to pay for

858
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 3: his upkeep, because one condition of the release was that

859
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 3: he had to get the h double hockey sticks out

860
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 3: of wondering about someone else's.

861
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 4: Go be crazy down in Newfoundland.

862
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, to go to the United States. They got a

863
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 3: lot of you guys down there, so baits Bates was

864
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 3: sad to see him. Bates is like, we've spent a

865
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 3: year together. Of course I feel bad really like Bates

866
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 3: is like trying so hard to connect with him that

867
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:49,320
Speaker 3: he can't. So he buys Smith a whole brand new outfit,

868
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 3: like a first day of school outfit, and buys him

869
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 3: a ticket on a ship headed for Nova Scotia. Wow,

870
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 3: and like he mumbles and shuffles. Smith mumbles and shuffles,

871
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 3: and he looks all dazed as he gets on the boat.

872
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 3: And like Bates stands there and watches the boat sail

873
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 3: away with his little wounded wolf on board, and I'm

874
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 3: sure he is like a hanky. So the boat docks

875
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:15,959
Speaker 3: in Nova Scotia, and Smith made like Kaiser, so say,

876
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 3: and lost the limp on his way off the boat

877
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:20,360
Speaker 3: walked off a fully seen man.

878
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:21,760
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I was Kaiser.

879
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 3: When straighten up, it straightens out at Nova Scotia. The

880
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 3: act worked. He weaseled his way to Yeah. A few

881
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:36,840
Speaker 3: years went by. He really is willing to commit long,

882
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 3: long game every time.

883
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 4: Incredible.

884
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 3: He a few years later, he's going by the name

885
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 3: William Newman. He gets arrested in new Haven, Connecticut for

886
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 3: stealing jewelry silver. Oh yeah, he's like stealing from innkeepers

887
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 3: at this point. And then he worked the oh my

888
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 3: side is killing me con there for a bit, but

889
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 3: like striking out with that gambit. He then decided to

890
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 3: saw his way through the cell door. He gets recaptured.

891
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:06,399
Speaker 3: He was convicted of burglary at trial and he got

892
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:10,400
Speaker 3: three years of hard labor and investigators discovered his previous

893
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:16,840
Speaker 3: identity and contacted Sheriff Bates, and Bates rushed, Yeah, he

894
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 3: goes down there. Bates goes to his cell and Smith

895
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 3: acts like he's never seen Baits before in his life. Wow,

896
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 3: He's like, who are you?

897
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:26,840
Speaker 4: Would you love to see like Matt Damon and Philip

898
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:30,439
Speaker 4: Seymour Hoffman play that same right, I know we can't

899
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:30,879
Speaker 4: get that.

900
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 3: But would oh god? Yeah. So Bates he's baffled, but

901
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 3: he's like a little crushed and so after doing devastated.

902
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:45,759
Speaker 3: So he you know, Smith does his time and he

903
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:47,719
Speaker 3: gets sort of lost in the shuffle. He's hard to

904
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 3: track in this era, but that didn't stop Bates. He

905
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:54,479
Speaker 3: spent the rest of his days trying to track Smith down.

906
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 3: He said that he could connect Smith to thefts in

907
00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 3: Boston New York, Connecticut, Ontario, Canada. Bates heard about a

908
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:06,720
Speaker 3: preacher named Henry Hopkins in the South who got arrested

909
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:09,319
Speaker 3: in eighteen twenty seven and was sentenced to seven years

910
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:12,400
Speaker 3: in prison. He was sure that that was Smith, but

911
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 3: he couldn't make it down there, and he wasn't able

912
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 3: to physically confirm it. But basically, any time there was

913
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:21,320
Speaker 3: a report of a clever thief, Bates was like, it's Smith.

914
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 3: It's my boy, It's there. He goes, there's that beautiful boy.

915
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:31,360
Speaker 3: I want to buy him another suit, and Smith sous eye.

916
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 3: Smith so captivating him that Bates joined the Ridiculous Crime

917
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 3: Book Club, and he really a corker of all time.

918
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:45,240
Speaker 3: Called The Mysterious Stranger, or Memoirs of the Noted Henry

919
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 3: Moore Smith Guess what.

920
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 4: You're Getting for your Birthday?

921
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:52,400
Speaker 3: It was published in Connecticut, then it gets republished in England.

922
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 3: The Halifax newspaper, The Acadian Recorder.

923
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 4: A great Acadian paper.

924
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:00,359
Speaker 3: Serialized it in eighteen seventeen and they sold the book

925
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 3: for a shilling a copy. And The Mysterious Stranger had

926
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 3: seven printings.

927
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:05,839
Speaker 4: I bet it did.

928
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:08,880
Speaker 3: The last one was in It appeared in nineteen twelve.

929
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:11,759
Speaker 3: That was one hundred years after Smith.

930
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:12,839
Speaker 4: Got to a chin of money.

931
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:17,400
Speaker 3: Christ's Cloud Story certified hit. The combined sales at that

932
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:19,720
Speaker 3: time topped forty thousand copies.

933
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I can make this.

934
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:22,800
Speaker 3: That's a lot even today.

935
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, you can make this into a movie. And how

936
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:26,280
Speaker 4: immediately a new.

937
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:30,719
Speaker 3: Edition of it was published in nineteen seventy nine. Wow. So.

938
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 3: At the end of The Mysterious Stranger, Bates wrote, quote,

939
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 3: in all the adventures, we are not called upon to

940
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:40,880
Speaker 3: witness any acts of violence and blood. And it is

941
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:44,319
Speaker 3: perhaps owing to the absence of this repulsive trait, that

942
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:47,399
Speaker 3: we do not behold him in a more relentless light.

943
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 3: So basically, he didn't hurt nobody. Yeah, yeah, so, and

944
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 3: that's what makes him a ridiculous criminal, perfect, ridiculous, totally.

945
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:02,319
Speaker 4: The only person you heard was Baits, really, my man, Bait? Yeah, yes,

946
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:03,759
Speaker 4: he just bruised it repeatedly.

947
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 3: What's your ridiculous takeaway? Oh man?

948
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 4: I okay, I gotta admit I think we should dip

949
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 4: our toes more into the Canadian waters because some of

950
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:14,920
Speaker 4: those crimes up there are just so filled with a

951
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:17,799
Speaker 4: bizarre passion. You know, it's like it's not like that.

952
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:19,279
Speaker 4: I don't. I'm not trying to like fall into like

953
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 4: the oh it's the Great White North and they're cold

954
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 4: and lonely. But I think they're cold and lonely up

955
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 4: there in the Great White North, Elizabeth, because we always

956
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:32,320
Speaker 4: hear that these stories of like couples going across the country,

957
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 4: people being committed to like in Canada is always he's

958
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:38,719
Speaker 4: very big and grand and long lasting and like this

959
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 4: guy commits to the bit. There's something about it that

960
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:44,880
Speaker 4: has like a Texas quality of bigger than life, but

961
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 4: but but the old but humble. You know, it's like

962
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 4: a humble and kind version of the we're bigger than

963
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 4: life but Canada. So anyway, that's mine. What's yours? Elizabeth?

964
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:56,239
Speaker 4: What's your ridiculous takeaway? Thank you for asking of course

965
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 4: every time you know why I got your back.

966
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:00,400
Speaker 3: For once you asked me. I I'm just into the

967
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 3: long game of it all, Like I think, if you're

968
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:06,400
Speaker 3: gonna do it, commit like wow, And that's that's putting

969
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 3: a lot of trust in your your your long game.

970
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 4: Totally and that all things would go out but work

971
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 4: out your benefit. Also, he didn't take the moment to

972
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 4: like when the boat's pulling away to break then and

973
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 4: kind of wave because then someone could chase the boat down.

974
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:22,400
Speaker 4: He waited until the boat got to the next nation.

975
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 4: Then he's like, Okay, I think I'm free.

976
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 3: I respect that. I know you too. All right, that's

977
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:30,359
Speaker 3: what I have. Oh oh you know what we do

978
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 3: need I talk about?

979
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:34,400
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, when you queue that up?

980
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I want.

981
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:50,440
Speaker 5: Heyes, Erin and Elizabeth. I wanted to update you on

982
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:53,319
Speaker 5: something totally ridiculous going on on the internet right now.

983
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:59,799
Speaker 5: If you need any industrial glarade glycine, uh dong Hua

984
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:03,640
Speaker 5: gene Long is your man. You see, there is a

985
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:08,400
Speaker 5: manufacturer of industrial grade glycine in China that made a

986
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 5: TikTok advertising their product and it has gone absolutely viral.

987
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 5: And I think that's ridiculous.

988
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, I don't have the TikTok no, but glycine.

989
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:26,680
Speaker 4: That is this is I like that someone can go

990
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 4: viral pushing glycine.

991
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 3: I know, right.

992
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:30,319
Speaker 4: That's now I want to know what that.

993
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:34,400
Speaker 3: Is ridiculous, that is certified. I gotta find the video.

994
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 3: Don't send us the video, the interns will find it.

995
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 4: Video.

996
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 3: That's all I have for today. You can find us

997
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:46,880
Speaker 3: online at Ridiculous Crime dot com. You can find us

998
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 3: on social media, but not TikTok. Do you have TikTok?

999
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 4: I'm trying to get rid of all of them, one

1000
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:55,880
Speaker 4: at a time. One or two I think I've gotten

1001
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 4: I think I still have accounts, but I only look

1002
00:51:58,239 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 4: at like.

1003
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:04,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't have the TikTok. Email Ridiculous Crime at

1004
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:07,960
Speaker 3: gmail dot com, but most importantly, leave us a talk

1005
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