WEBVTT - Questlove Supreme: Dave Matthews 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:03.520 Quest Love Show is a production of iHeartRadio. 0:00:06.480 --> 0:00:07.240 What Up, y'all? 0:00:07.400 --> 0:00:09.760 So in twenty twenty three, we had Rock and Roll 0:00:09.800 --> 0:00:13.160 Hall of Fame member Dave Matthews on the Quest Love 0:00:13.200 --> 0:00:18.120 Supreme Show. This interview may actually be the genesis for 0:00:18.320 --> 0:00:20.919 how I do stuff now, you know, my sort of 0:00:21.640 --> 0:00:27.080 Prouse questionnaire level of questions. You know, we were spending 0:00:27.120 --> 0:00:30.639 the whole conversation talking about career music, and you know, 0:00:30.680 --> 0:00:33.200 I kind of texted the Team Supreme producers and said 0:00:33.200 --> 0:00:35.960 I wanted to get some random stuff for Dave, like 0:00:36.040 --> 0:00:38.160 really get to know him as a person, his quirks 0:00:38.159 --> 0:00:40.800 and whatnot. So we did talk about the songs and 0:00:40.840 --> 0:00:44.240 the musical memories and touring, but we also learned about 0:00:44.280 --> 0:00:47.040 his coffee orders and his ice cream flavors and some 0:00:47.159 --> 0:00:50.960 of the things behind the artists. And I really liked 0:00:51.000 --> 0:00:53.199 this episode. It was fun to do and especially fun 0:00:53.280 --> 0:00:56.440 for Dave. And I hope you enjoyed this classic, classic. 0:00:56.040 --> 0:00:57.880 Episode of Quest Love Supreme. 0:00:57.920 --> 0:01:00.440 And make sure that you're dialed in with the Quest 0:01:00.480 --> 0:01:04.000 Love Supreme Show and the Quest Love Show and Dave 0:01:04.040 --> 0:01:04.960 Matthews over to you. 0:01:05.080 --> 0:01:17.840 All right, let's go, Hi, David. Look, everybody's here. It's 0:01:17.880 --> 0:01:19.480 like the whole here's. 0:01:19.360 --> 0:01:22.600 The story of a man named Questy. 0:01:22.800 --> 0:01:25.039 Yes, it's all of us here. But it's very nice 0:01:25.040 --> 0:01:26.880 to see you. Great to see you too, sir. 0:01:27.400 --> 0:01:32.200 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another episode of Quest Love Supreme. 0:01:32.880 --> 0:01:35.679 I'm your host Quest Love. Hey guys, when can we 0:01:35.720 --> 0:01:37.479 call it the award winning Quest Love. 0:01:37.360 --> 0:01:39.000 Supreme five years ago? 0:01:40.160 --> 0:01:40.319 Oh? 0:01:40.360 --> 0:01:42.160 Really, that's I like that. 0:01:42.160 --> 0:01:46.000 That's right now, Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the illustrious, 0:01:46.040 --> 0:01:47.880 award winning Quest Love Supreme. 0:01:48.040 --> 0:01:52.400 There you go, right, Sorry, I'm excited to be part 0:01:52.440 --> 0:01:52.760 of this. 0:01:53.360 --> 0:01:55.440 Actually, if you're if you're really good, we might make 0:01:55.480 --> 0:01:56.280 you part of the team. 0:01:56.320 --> 0:01:59.840 So that's that's the joy of coming. Yes, we might 0:01:59.880 --> 0:02:00.520 just steal. 0:02:00.280 --> 0:02:02.720 You away right now. 0:02:02.800 --> 0:02:05.880 We are with that Team Supreme members. Uh, Sugar Steve, 0:02:06.000 --> 0:02:06.800 how is life? 0:02:06.960 --> 0:02:09.160 It's like quarantine, but you get to leave the house 0:02:09.240 --> 0:02:11.160 and do whatever the heck you want and work on 0:02:11.280 --> 0:02:13.880 all the ship you ever wanted to work on. And 0:02:14.120 --> 0:02:16.960 the first single from your record dropping this Friday from 0:02:17.160 --> 0:02:21.560 Plumb on JMI coming out Brown Doves on Friday, Quest Love. 0:02:22.200 --> 0:02:25.680 And you sort of seen Showand's face when he learned 0:02:25.720 --> 0:02:27.440 that I have a jazz record coming. 0:02:27.280 --> 0:02:29.520 Out, so yeah, he knows about it. 0:02:30.919 --> 0:02:31.359 Anyway. 0:02:32.080 --> 0:02:32.760 On Paid Bill? 0:02:33.320 --> 0:02:38.520 Yeah, man, how's life post Tony great? I didn't win shit, 0:02:38.960 --> 0:02:41.920 Tony's were wonderful. It's whiskey Wednesday. 0:02:42.360 --> 0:02:42.840 Who won? 0:02:43.320 --> 0:02:43.720 Who won? 0:02:43.760 --> 0:02:43.880 What? 0:02:44.400 --> 0:02:44.919 All of them? 0:02:44.960 --> 0:02:47.360 I guess and Juliet didn't win. Y'all didn't get it. 0:02:47.440 --> 0:02:49.840 And Juliet did not win to Tony. But that's okay 0:02:49.919 --> 0:02:51.640 because we're the doors are still open. 0:02:51.760 --> 0:02:54.280 Y'all still the ship though, thank you? 0:02:54.440 --> 0:02:56.320 Who wand up winning? I'm just curious. 0:02:56.680 --> 0:02:59.040 Kimberly a Kimbo won a lot of Tony's, mostly for 0:02:59.680 --> 0:03:01.280 Best Musical, et cetera, et cetera. 0:03:01.320 --> 0:03:03.160 It was a weird thing. It's very It's called kimberly 0:03:03.160 --> 0:03:05.639 a kimbla kimberly Akimbo. 0:03:06.080 --> 0:03:07.440 What's the part? What's the play called? 0:03:07.440 --> 0:03:07.639 Bill? 0:03:07.720 --> 0:03:08.799 That's why I think he's asking. 0:03:08.960 --> 0:03:11.080 Oh, it's that's what it's called. It's called kimberly a Kimbo. 0:03:11.160 --> 0:03:12.639 I wish I could tell you something about it. I've 0:03:12.639 --> 0:03:14.160 not seen it, so I don't know. So I'm just 0:03:14.200 --> 0:03:15.600 gonna drink whiskey on Wednesdays. 0:03:17.080 --> 0:03:17.480 There you go. 0:03:17.560 --> 0:03:19.760 Kimberly a kimberla Laia, how are you? I know we're 0:03:19.800 --> 0:03:22.000 in the same city, and I failed to tell you 0:03:22.040 --> 0:03:22.920 I've been here for a week. 0:03:23.160 --> 0:03:25.040 You know, I want to give you the shade friend 0:03:25.240 --> 0:03:25.639 I do. 0:03:26.200 --> 0:03:29.800 Ladies and gentlemen, A very good friend of mine, very 0:03:30.240 --> 0:03:32.639 a very very good friend of mine is coming to 0:03:32.720 --> 0:03:36.320 visit us. On the show, I will say that our 0:03:36.360 --> 0:03:42.720 guests his namesake. He is the founding member and of 0:03:42.720 --> 0:03:46.720 one of the most powerful. Well, the way that laugh came, 0:03:46.920 --> 0:03:48.839 I hope you are the founding member of the band 0:03:48.880 --> 0:03:52.440 that's your namesake. So anyway, one of the most powerful, 0:03:52.640 --> 0:03:54.800 one of the most creative, one of the most exciting, 0:03:54.880 --> 0:03:59.560 one of the most loved popular bands in all of 0:03:59.640 --> 0:04:03.480 the world. I will say that this band has I 0:04:03.480 --> 0:04:07.040 mean a mixture of cult following and mainstream because the 0:04:07.120 --> 0:04:10.840 numbers are there. You know they have mainstream following as well. 0:04:11.720 --> 0:04:13.440 We do all know the hits. We know crassen to 0:04:13.480 --> 0:04:17.320 me ands marching too much crush. I also just realized 0:04:17.360 --> 0:04:21.560 that this group they've released non studio albums. But however, 0:04:21.800 --> 0:04:26.400 they are the first band to have seven albums debut 0:04:26.800 --> 0:04:31.840 at number one. And he's giving us the honor right 0:04:31.839 --> 0:04:35.760 now celebrating him with him their newest album, which is 0:04:35.920 --> 0:04:38.560 entitled Walk Around the Moon. What can I say, Man, 0:04:38.600 --> 0:04:42.039 one of the nicest guys on earth, If you ever 0:04:42.360 --> 0:04:45.840 have the pleasure of opening for this guy, he will 0:04:45.839 --> 0:04:49.839 actually introduce you and stand on stage and watch you 0:04:49.920 --> 0:04:54.200 before in front of the crowd of fifteen. But what more. 0:04:54.080 --> 0:04:54.640 Can I say? 0:04:57.360 --> 0:05:03.800 It was extremely generous. I mean generous, but also precisely true. 0:05:04.240 --> 0:05:05.479 I have a hilarious story. 0:05:05.560 --> 0:05:09.640 So when we first started opening for Dave, one of 0:05:09.680 --> 0:05:14.800 our very first shows was in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, and there 0:05:14.839 --> 0:05:18.760 were I guess as far as the comp ticket situation 0:05:18.960 --> 0:05:22.000 was concerned, I believe each member because it was Philadelphia 0:05:22.000 --> 0:05:24.760 and our family were coming, Like I think each family 0:05:24.760 --> 0:05:29.400 member got like each band member got eight tickets. And 0:05:29.480 --> 0:05:32.240 the thing was I didn't have anyone coming to see 0:05:32.279 --> 0:05:35.599 so I had eight tickets. But our bus, our tour bus, 0:05:37.279 --> 0:05:41.120 was kind of part where the general public could see us. 0:05:41.480 --> 0:05:44.480 Like we weren't in the tunnel with Dave's forty two 0:05:44.560 --> 0:05:47.000 trillion tour buses, so we were kind of on the. 0:05:46.800 --> 0:05:48.920 We were where like his crowd could see us. 0:05:49.480 --> 0:05:52.000 And there were so many people there that were like 0:05:52.160 --> 0:05:56.080 desperate for tickets, like anything, any tickets I would take 0:05:56.080 --> 0:05:58.599 my kids to see Damn Matthews. So I was like, well, 0:05:59.160 --> 0:06:01.880 I got eight tickets, I'll just give it to him. 0:06:02.160 --> 0:06:05.960 So I'm in Philadelphia, in my own town. Now it's 0:06:05.960 --> 0:06:09.360 two thousand and three, so yes, we already want to Grammy. 0:06:10.160 --> 0:06:11.320 We're you know, we're not. 0:06:12.839 --> 0:06:17.440 You know, you guys are killing It was so exciting 0:06:17.440 --> 0:06:19.560 that you guys were were playing with us. 0:06:19.800 --> 0:06:21.440 Well here's the thing though. Here's the thing though. 0:06:21.800 --> 0:06:24.240 So I'm figuring, like, wow, I'm watching this dad struggle 0:06:24.320 --> 0:06:27.160 to get him and his two kids, and I'm actually 0:06:27.200 --> 0:06:30.440 go and walk up to him and give him my 0:06:30.520 --> 0:06:33.400 four tickets that he needs, and. 0:06:33.760 --> 0:06:35.839 What's gonna happen? But I know it's going to be funny. 0:06:36.080 --> 0:06:41.279 It was such a pie in the face moment because 0:06:41.320 --> 0:06:43.320 it was like I don't know if he just wasn't 0:06:43.400 --> 0:06:49.960 used to acts that generous or anything, but he did 0:06:50.000 --> 0:06:54.839 not trust that my tickets were legit. And I was like, well, 0:06:55.000 --> 0:06:57.440 i'm the opening act, I'm in the roots the roots, 0:06:57.600 --> 0:07:01.200 and he was like I said, on one of the 0:07:01.240 --> 0:07:04.320 opening acts, see that's my tour bus here. I'm giving 0:07:04.320 --> 0:07:07.160 you these four tickets, and it's like he took them. 0:07:07.440 --> 0:07:09.320 But it was almost like he was waiting for that 0:07:09.720 --> 0:07:15.200 proverbial amble to fall on his head. He still stood there. 0:07:15.280 --> 0:07:17.040 I was like, well, you're gonna go in the stadium, right, 0:07:17.960 --> 0:07:19.640 It's like yeah, yeah, yeah, But it was as if 0:07:20.800 --> 0:07:22.600 if I were going to walk away. He was still 0:07:22.640 --> 0:07:25.360 still stood there and been like, all right, does someone 0:07:25.360 --> 0:07:26.960 have four tickets so I can get inside the Dave 0:07:27.000 --> 0:07:30.440 Matthews like It's as if he did not believe that, 0:07:31.680 --> 0:07:34.000 so he blocked his blessing. I hope he did not 0:07:34.080 --> 0:07:36.600 get in and realized that he wrote really good seats, but. 0:07:37.040 --> 0:07:39.000 I wish you could have just taken them back. It 0:07:39.040 --> 0:07:43.600 seems like a little bit of a rude response to well. 0:07:43.520 --> 0:07:48.040 It's Philadelphia, and Philadelphia is very non trusting, especially of 0:07:48.200 --> 0:07:51.120 kind gestures, and it's end. 0:07:51.280 --> 0:07:55.320 But it's also, you know, hometown. So you feel like. 0:07:56.680 --> 0:08:00.120 I thought, you know what, Dave, I'm just realizing that 0:08:00.200 --> 0:08:06.680 I've had some of the most interesting career pivots courtesy 0:08:06.880 --> 0:08:10.720 of you. 0:08:07.960 --> 0:08:08.320 M m. 0:08:09.960 --> 0:08:13.080 Yea, Like what, No, It just hit me that I 0:08:13.240 --> 0:08:19.240 once fired an assistant at a Dave Matthews show because uh, 0:08:20.320 --> 0:08:26.160 you remember, right, yeah, she beat me in scrabble, and like, 0:08:27.040 --> 0:08:30.200 so I guess the rumor around Philadelphia is that I'm 0:08:30.200 --> 0:08:33.559 a sore loser at scrabble when I fired my assistant. 0:08:33.800 --> 0:08:37.680 But it was just she was a disrespectful way that 0:08:37.760 --> 0:08:38.319 she gloated. 0:08:38.679 --> 0:08:41.080 So and what does Dave have to do with that? 0:08:43.960 --> 0:08:47.120 I immediately hired her. 0:08:47.280 --> 0:08:52.040 Wait a minute, yo, Steve, Steve, do you know how 0:08:52.080 --> 0:08:54.600 we got Dave Matthews? 0:08:55.280 --> 0:08:55.600 Remember? 0:08:56.040 --> 0:08:59.480 I see, remember we. 0:08:59.440 --> 0:09:03.880 Stole Dave matt Like God, any we can, we can 0:09:03.920 --> 0:09:04.480 go on forever. 0:09:04.920 --> 0:09:06.280 How you doing, man? What's going on? 0:09:06.720 --> 0:09:10.040 We're on the road, except I'm home. My son just 0:09:10.080 --> 0:09:13.480 had his birthday. He turned sixteen. So that's sort of 0:09:13.480 --> 0:09:16.679 where my head is in a way because it's a 0:09:16.760 --> 0:09:18.720 kind of exciting thing for me. 0:09:18.760 --> 0:09:22.160 Wait, you're conducting a podcast interview in the middle of 0:09:22.200 --> 0:09:23.360 your Sun sixteenth birthday? 0:09:23.679 --> 0:09:28.320 No the day after? So no, no, I would have 0:09:28.760 --> 0:09:32.040 I think we we we scheduled this again and again 0:09:32.160 --> 0:09:34.920 but for both of us. But I wouldn't have put 0:09:34.920 --> 0:09:37.160 it on his birthday because he I mean, I know 0:09:37.240 --> 0:09:39.080 that he would have cared because he probably he wasn't. 0:09:39.080 --> 0:09:42.080 He didn't. I was available for him, but he wasn't 0:09:42.120 --> 0:09:44.000 as available for me because he's sixteen. 0:09:44.679 --> 0:09:50.160 And then I see now, you're in debt territory, noybe. 0:09:50.880 --> 0:09:53.480 That was a little bit expressive. I mean, he there's 0:09:53.520 --> 0:09:58.520 times that's I'm not selling him short, but but he's busy, right, 0:09:58.760 --> 0:10:05.400 so so there's times when uh uh, he's not available. 0:10:05.080 --> 0:10:07.520 And thirteen thirteen to twenty two, I get it. I 0:10:07.559 --> 0:10:08.520 was that person too. 0:10:08.679 --> 0:10:10.679 There so and I know that I was busy. I 0:10:11.320 --> 0:10:15.600 didn't want to abandon my mother, but there was a 0:10:15.600 --> 0:10:19.480 lot of stuff that I had to experiment with and 0:10:19.679 --> 0:10:24.320 she understood and now I think I understand. So but 0:10:24.440 --> 0:10:29.199 I you know, we're we're touring. It's the season, and 0:10:29.240 --> 0:10:31.960 so that's what I'm doing, and I'm happily here and 0:10:32.000 --> 0:10:34.760 happy to very happy to finally talk to you. I 0:10:34.840 --> 0:10:36.400 just have to say, I'm a man. You know, you 0:10:36.440 --> 0:10:39.680 know that I'm an insane fan so of yours and 0:10:39.920 --> 0:10:42.600 the roots, but also likewise, so when when I heard 0:10:42.880 --> 0:10:45.280 when I heard that you were thinking that I would 0:10:45.280 --> 0:10:50.000 be an interesting guest, I commonly said affirmative. 0:10:50.000 --> 0:10:54.480 Thank you, and I appreciate that the love is mutual. Wait, 0:10:54.480 --> 0:10:58.520 can I ask does touring at this level for you 0:10:58.600 --> 0:11:02.600 ever get tiring? Because at least for me, I will say, 0:11:02.600 --> 0:11:05.160 there's probably two x that I've learned the most from 0:11:06.120 --> 0:11:10.080 in terms of touring, and that is the Beastie Boys 0:11:10.120 --> 0:11:15.040 when we really first started touring, and then you were pivotal, 0:11:15.440 --> 0:11:20.560 and when we really got established, and just the small 0:11:20.600 --> 0:11:23.199 things that we didn't know that could happen on a tour, 0:11:24.040 --> 0:11:25.679 like you were the first band that we saw that 0:11:25.760 --> 0:11:29.520 had like communication microphones on stage so you could talk 0:11:29.559 --> 0:11:30.880 to each other. And I was like, wait, I don't 0:11:30.880 --> 0:11:32.719 have to yell anymore, like go. 0:11:32.800 --> 0:11:35.040 To the next bar, skip the star first. 0:11:36.200 --> 0:11:39.120 I have to address this because this is serious stuff. 0:11:39.160 --> 0:11:41.160 This is serious. I was on the side of the stage. 0:11:41.160 --> 0:11:43.760 We were up. It was a rainy day, I can't remember, 0:11:43.760 --> 0:11:48.080 but we were both there. We just talked backstage just 0:11:48.160 --> 0:11:50.679 quickly as you were going. But I have to say this, 0:11:51.200 --> 0:11:55.280 I'd never been on in ears with you guys. I 0:11:55.320 --> 0:11:57.680 mean I heard you guys talking to each other like 0:11:57.720 --> 0:12:05.119 that right here, you shouting the changing arrangement. 0:12:05.720 --> 0:12:07.240 It was my head. 0:12:07.640 --> 0:12:11.560 I was just so crazy. First of all, I will 0:12:11.559 --> 0:12:16.839 never take that much responsibility for anything spontaneously. That's terrifying 0:12:16.840 --> 0:12:17.120 to me. 0:12:17.160 --> 0:12:19.080 Because it was you. 0:12:19.080 --> 0:12:19.160 No. 0:12:19.280 --> 0:12:21.560 Well, I mean, but I mean, we do say let's 0:12:21.679 --> 0:12:23.640 change this, let's do this. What about it. We go 0:12:23.679 --> 0:12:27.000 and we let things happen, but you're actually turning yeah 0:12:27.520 --> 0:12:27.920 all over. 0:12:29.160 --> 0:12:30.600 You did something even better than that. 0:12:31.800 --> 0:12:38.439 You were cracking jokes, and I was like, wait a minute, 0:12:38.720 --> 0:12:39.200 we can. 0:12:39.080 --> 0:12:40.000 Actually crack jokes. 0:12:40.040 --> 0:12:43.480 And you know, there there there was a turnaround or 0:12:43.480 --> 0:12:49.280 a shift where for us it was like the same grind. 0:12:49.559 --> 0:12:50.480 The same. 0:12:52.000 --> 0:12:53.800 You know, just riga morale or whatever. 0:12:54.880 --> 0:12:57.640 And after we got done touring with you, I was like, yo, 0:12:57.880 --> 0:12:59.880 I want I want to do the same thing. Dave 0:12:59.880 --> 0:13:04.880 Matthews does the whole communication thing, and then suddenly our 0:13:04.920 --> 0:13:09.440 ability to joke with each other in one microphone while 0:13:09.480 --> 0:13:11.520 still doing like the show, the audience is getting to 0:13:11.520 --> 0:13:16.959 show that they're getting but it's also like, yo, third row, 0:13:17.520 --> 0:13:20.480 third row, far left, he just fell down, he spilled 0:13:20.720 --> 0:13:22.320 he spilt wine all over. 0:13:22.600 --> 0:13:26.760 Ooh, y'all see that, Like that is a very sad 0:13:26.960 --> 0:13:28.880 it is. I do think that this, I have to 0:13:28.880 --> 0:13:32.360 say this. I think that being able to talk to 0:13:32.440 --> 0:13:37.120 each other is it opens up. When we figured out 0:13:37.320 --> 0:13:42.640 that that was possible, it did suddenly create this sense 0:13:42.840 --> 0:13:46.160 of we've We were worried a little bit some of 0:13:46.200 --> 0:13:48.760 the time that there was gonna be times when you know, 0:13:48.800 --> 0:13:51.839 people would zap in and they could pull someone was 0:13:51.880 --> 0:13:57.000 gonna get on our wavelength and they're gonna hear, and 0:13:57.040 --> 0:13:58.720 then I'd be like, oh no, god, it would it 0:13:58.720 --> 0:14:01.400 would come out, you know, right right right, you know, 0:14:01.520 --> 0:14:05.200 like uh preaka glaces. Yes, So I mean like that 0:14:05.280 --> 0:14:08.240 happened to a regay glass. That's that, and I hear 0:14:08.280 --> 0:14:12.600 about those things. I mean, I I I'll you know, 0:14:12.880 --> 0:14:15.080 often I'll say something to the audience and even if 0:14:15.120 --> 0:14:18.680 it's earnest and I mean it sincerely and it's something 0:14:18.760 --> 0:14:21.600 about whatever, something that's happened, I'll turn around and look 0:14:21.640 --> 0:14:24.479 at the band and then say something that is totally 0:14:25.160 --> 0:14:28.400 oh just just so everyone breaks, just so you know, 0:14:28.640 --> 0:14:30.520 so it's something you have you turn around and say 0:14:30.560 --> 0:14:34.120 something that I don't until you know, We've been on 0:14:34.160 --> 0:14:38.000 this podcast for a long time, right right completely at home, 0:14:38.480 --> 0:14:41.120 I'm not gonna I'm not going to go. But it 0:14:41.240 --> 0:14:46.400 does feel like there's It does has a weird thing 0:14:46.520 --> 0:14:49.680 of uh connects to the music in a way that 0:14:49.760 --> 0:14:53.400 I think may have happened in time. Would have been 0:14:53.440 --> 0:14:58.520 easier for it to happen in smaller venues when when 0:14:58.520 --> 0:15:01.000 we were starting out or in different band, you know, 0:15:01.040 --> 0:15:05.040 you're sitting around all playing. Then then you can say 0:15:05.160 --> 0:15:07.400 you can shout things or play the bridge, or let's 0:15:07.400 --> 0:15:11.880 do this, or what about those titties or whatever it is, which. 0:15:11.760 --> 0:15:14.840 Which conversation earlier? Sorry you heard it, Yes. 0:15:14.920 --> 0:15:19.160 Yeah, so so, but once once we were it was 0:15:19.240 --> 0:15:21.960 loud and you couldn't and we couldn't really communicate that 0:15:21.960 --> 0:15:25.880 that whole spontaneity that that happens, it go sort of 0:15:25.880 --> 0:15:28.000 goes away and the conversation is only in the music. 0:15:28.040 --> 0:15:30.720 And so I do think that was a I know 0:15:30.800 --> 0:15:34.160 what you mean. But then that it flipped around and 0:15:34.200 --> 0:15:37.320 then I screw you up in wherever and then watched 0:15:37.320 --> 0:15:41.920 you doing this conducting thing. I was like, wow, that's 0:15:42.680 --> 0:15:43.320 now that I know. 0:15:46.960 --> 0:15:51.920 I live for nothing more than those serious moments, those 0:15:52.000 --> 0:15:57.280 those benefits, those really earnest quiet moments. I live for 0:15:57.360 --> 0:16:01.800 those moments because yes, in the communication bancophone, I'm gonna 0:16:01.800 --> 0:16:05.280 say the most my goal is to make them break 0:16:05.480 --> 0:16:10.160 and crack up while being forced to keep a serious 0:16:10.160 --> 0:16:13.120 face like that's me. 0:16:13.720 --> 0:16:15.920 I love doing that. 0:16:15.920 --> 0:16:17.000 That's my favorite thing. 0:16:17.240 --> 0:16:24.080 Especially us, especially if there's a boring guest on the 0:16:24.120 --> 0:16:27.080 tonight show. That's when I'll really come alive. And oh 0:16:27.800 --> 0:16:32.200 and provoke them. I'll have sound effects like snoring sounds 0:16:32.240 --> 0:16:34.160 and oh. 0:16:34.120 --> 0:16:37.880 That's of course you would take it to the next 0:16:38.200 --> 0:16:42.880 level because well, first of all, now I'm instantaneously paranoid. 0:16:43.000 --> 0:16:47.680 But that uh goes not that I've not that it's 0:16:47.680 --> 0:16:50.120 been a while since. So if you when you when 0:16:50.160 --> 0:16:53.160 you talk to Jimmy, say, you know, just just invite 0:16:53.160 --> 0:16:56.520 me on. Let me be a couch guess, even if 0:16:56.520 --> 0:16:58.280 it's to make a fool of me, I don't care. 0:16:58.480 --> 0:17:01.080 I'll why you got an album out, so that should 0:17:01.080 --> 0:17:03.400 be like tooth sweet. Actually it's spright. 0:17:04.960 --> 0:17:05.160 Yeah. 0:17:08.320 --> 0:17:10.399 I was going to say, let's make sure that we 0:17:10.480 --> 0:17:13.640 have a TV show to do, but yeah, that's. 0:17:13.560 --> 0:17:16.320 Then that's affected. That's affected this project a lot then. 0:17:16.240 --> 0:17:19.639 Right, because we're talking about you were crazy, like it 0:17:19.680 --> 0:17:23.040 did sound sort of like the pandemic with when you. 0:17:23.000 --> 0:17:25.240 Got without I mean you can go outside, yeah. 0:17:25.200 --> 0:17:29.719 But you can go outside. It's like the pandemic if 0:17:29.720 --> 0:17:31.480 you lived in the woods. 0:17:31.920 --> 0:17:33.520 Yeah. 0:17:33.560 --> 0:17:36.360 Well, I mean, what does that basically mean that you'll 0:17:36.400 --> 0:17:40.720 just have to double up in radio promotions or just 0:17:41.400 --> 0:17:44.760 do creative things like stuff on YouTube or like what 0:17:44.880 --> 0:17:47.000 is it? What does it mean to have a new 0:17:47.080 --> 0:17:50.600 album and not be able to promote it on the 0:17:50.640 --> 0:17:52.360 media television. 0:17:52.560 --> 0:17:53.520 Unless you do the View. 0:17:53.920 --> 0:17:58.960 Well I will, Oh, really they're still working. What did 0:17:59.000 --> 0:18:02.000 they do you The view is still working? Yeah, they 0:18:02.080 --> 0:18:03.200 tell you before every show. 0:18:03.200 --> 0:18:03.440 Whoop. 0:18:03.440 --> 0:18:05.040 You'll be like, just so, y'all know we don't have writers, 0:18:05.040 --> 0:18:06.639 So don't be coming at us about what we're asking 0:18:06.720 --> 0:18:07.600 because this is all us. 0:18:07.720 --> 0:18:11.200 Yeah, yeah, yeah, they're spontaneous. 0:18:11.560 --> 0:18:18.360 Yes, Oh, I didn't realize that. Well that it shows sometimes, 0:18:18.680 --> 0:18:21.560 but I haven't watched the View very often, and so 0:18:21.600 --> 0:18:24.920 any judgment I passed is unfair. 0:18:26.800 --> 0:18:29.000 I got it, but I but I do. Yeah. 0:18:29.000 --> 0:18:31.040 We were supposed to do some shows and they were canceled. 0:18:31.119 --> 0:18:33.800 But at this at the same time, I sometimes think this, 0:18:33.960 --> 0:18:37.080 people are still coming to the shows and and so, 0:18:38.080 --> 0:18:42.439 and you know, adding more music into it. We're not 0:18:42.480 --> 0:18:45.080 only playing the record and and so. 0:18:45.080 --> 0:18:45.240 So. 0:18:45.640 --> 0:18:49.600 It's you know, just I don't pay enough attention to anything. 0:18:50.560 --> 0:18:52.800 That's what's that's a. 0:18:52.720 --> 0:18:55.399 Good answer too, Dave Matthews band. Do they need the 0:18:55.440 --> 0:18:57.720 same machine and everybody? At this point, You're right, like 0:18:57.800 --> 0:18:59.720 people know when the music is coming out, Your people 0:18:59.760 --> 0:19:02.280 know and does it probably doesn't make a huge effect 0:19:02.320 --> 0:19:03.760 that you don't have to do ITV. 0:19:03.800 --> 0:19:06.240 That Yeah, we're lucky, and then we'll cram a bunch 0:19:06.240 --> 0:19:07.880 of TV in when nobody cares. 0:19:08.160 --> 0:19:13.240 You know something though, speaking of which, I'm working on 0:19:13.280 --> 0:19:17.600 a project of which your musical performances from like ninety 0:19:17.640 --> 0:19:21.600 three to about ninety six are included in this project. 0:19:22.480 --> 0:19:26.720 And I wanted to know, especially for. 0:19:28.359 --> 0:19:32.679 Your your your song structures, how limiting is it to 0:19:32.800 --> 0:19:39.199 do television if you only have a four minute and 0:19:39.280 --> 0:19:42.040 thirty second window, Because you know, from my experiences of 0:19:42.040 --> 0:19:46.359 being at Dave Matthew shows, like you guys cook for 0:19:46.640 --> 0:19:49.240 six to eight minutes on songs, but you know, like 0:19:49.280 --> 0:19:51.080 the solos are the best part of both. 0:19:51.920 --> 0:19:54.399 I think that that's true. Like the best part, it is. 0:19:54.480 --> 0:19:59.240 My favorite part is when everything gets gets cracked open 0:19:59.320 --> 0:20:03.119 and then and then we can you know, be spontaneous 0:20:03.119 --> 0:20:07.520 and when the when the even vocally, when things when 0:20:07.560 --> 0:20:11.399 melodies change. But uh, I don't know, it's it is 0:20:11.440 --> 0:20:13.440 a it's a weird. It's a weird. 0:20:14.040 --> 0:20:15.119 Uh. 0:20:15.280 --> 0:20:19.800 Television is very stressful when you do and a half 0:20:19.840 --> 0:20:23.000 three minutes. I don't know, you know, I was worried 0:20:23.040 --> 0:20:25.320 the mix is gonna sound as bad as it might 0:20:25.440 --> 0:20:30.560 and then I'm worried, uh that I'm gonna suck, And 0:20:30.600 --> 0:20:33.040 then I'm worried it's too How can you do anything 0:20:33.080 --> 0:20:35.200 in two and a half minutes? It depends, it is right. 0:20:35.440 --> 0:20:38.760 So anytime there's an opportunity to mock myself, which is 0:20:38.800 --> 0:20:43.119 you know, I often I like that. That's what I'm 0:20:43.880 --> 0:20:47.160 I'm glad that fell. And when I come on that show, 0:20:47.359 --> 0:20:51.880 then I can remember a little Yeah, when I came 0:20:51.920 --> 0:20:56.960 on that show and did the trap thing, yes. 0:20:56.800 --> 0:20:59.000 And you guys were singing yes, I do remember that. 0:20:59.080 --> 0:21:00.520 So I got it to But I have to tell 0:21:00.520 --> 0:21:04.560 you I worked so hard on that CARDI b tune 0:21:04.960 --> 0:21:08.119 to make sure that that even though I was just 0:21:08.400 --> 0:21:11.040 goofing off on the guitar, I wanted to get every 0:21:11.200 --> 0:21:17.760 single every single of course, I didn't want to. I 0:21:17.800 --> 0:21:20.560 didn't want people to think, think what song is? I 0:21:20.640 --> 0:21:25.199 wanted very specifically we knew someone to know what it 0:21:25.359 --> 0:21:30.840 was because it is. I'm very loose about sticking to 0:21:30.920 --> 0:21:34.480 the script. In that instance, I felt like the script 0:21:34.520 --> 0:21:39.840 was the only thing that would make it work, so 0:21:40.000 --> 0:21:43.480 I had to at least be otherwise it would have 0:21:43.520 --> 0:21:46.960 been I could have if being the normal me, I 0:21:47.000 --> 0:21:50.280 could have just I could have phoned it in and 0:21:50.680 --> 0:21:52.640 people have been like, I have no idea what he's doing, 0:21:53.119 --> 0:21:55.960 We have no idea what music he's singing. I had 0:21:55.960 --> 0:21:57.679 to be much more strict than I am with my 0:21:57.800 --> 0:22:00.960 normal music, which is which is you know? I mean 0:22:01.000 --> 0:22:03.040 I don't I don't even know if I get my 0:22:03.119 --> 0:22:03.800 lyrics right. 0:22:04.480 --> 0:22:06.800 So wait, when you did that, when you did that, 0:22:06.800 --> 0:22:09.639 that that piece with Cardi, is that your sixteen year 0:22:09.680 --> 0:22:10.920 old is your is your oldest kid. 0:22:11.840 --> 0:22:15.320 He's my baby, he's your baby. So this is good. 0:22:15.640 --> 0:22:18.360 So what did your kids say about you doing that? 0:22:18.520 --> 0:22:24.240 And they had he left, He thought it was pretty fun. 0:22:24.320 --> 0:22:27.080 He actually did. He even was nice enough to say, 0:22:27.840 --> 0:22:32.080 you know, it sounded it didn't sound right, but you know, 0:22:32.359 --> 0:22:33.760 he said it sounded pretty good. 0:22:34.280 --> 0:22:34.600 All right? 0:22:34.640 --> 0:22:37.760 Your children are they musicians? 0:22:37.800 --> 0:22:41.040 My son plays the piano and he plays the guitar, 0:22:41.160 --> 0:22:46.080 but and he enjoys it, but he doesn't like to 0:22:46.200 --> 0:22:50.040 do it as far as I know. One time, all 0:22:50.080 --> 0:22:52.199 the kids there's a party and all the kids were 0:22:52.200 --> 0:22:54.840 playing there. There were their pianos. Some kids were better 0:22:54.840 --> 0:22:58.840 than other kids. Stay, I said, I said to him, 0:22:59.160 --> 0:23:01.200 I wish I wish you got up and played the piano, 0:23:01.240 --> 0:23:03.760 and he looked at me and he said, Dad, I 0:23:03.800 --> 0:23:08.439 will never ever do what I was like, but it 0:23:08.520 --> 0:23:10.399 was just it was kind of interesting, but it was 0:23:10.640 --> 0:23:14.680 I understand where he's coming from. That is, I understand 0:23:14.720 --> 0:23:18.679 what he's saying. He's saying, there's this there's a different world, 0:23:19.480 --> 0:23:21.479 and I'm not I'm not I'm not jumping in it 0:23:21.560 --> 0:23:21.960 right now. 0:23:22.160 --> 0:23:23.159 So you don't even expect that. 0:23:23.200 --> 0:23:27.680 Don't even jan even oh, I'm going to play football. 0:23:28.080 --> 0:23:30.160 I was. I was forced in the family business. 0:23:30.160 --> 0:23:33.240 Like I would just naturally think that you know, any 0:23:33.280 --> 0:23:37.000 progeny or whatever, like you just automatically I figured, at 0:23:37.080 --> 0:23:39.920 least by ten or twelve, like he's going to sit 0:23:39.960 --> 0:23:42.800 in and sit on the high chair and start playing 0:23:42.800 --> 0:23:46.080 with you and eventually, I mean, in your mind, would 0:23:46.119 --> 0:23:51.280 you like that or is that like no, just me Carter. 0:23:51.080 --> 0:23:52.560 And and and and. 0:23:52.880 --> 0:23:55.680 Like Stefan, like this is our thing and our thing 0:23:55.760 --> 0:23:56.639 only or. 0:23:57.000 --> 0:23:58.800 I don't know if I'd want my son to come 0:23:58.880 --> 0:24:01.800 and uh, I mean, I would love it if he 0:24:01.880 --> 0:24:05.000 wanted to, but it's not something that I think about. 0:24:05.080 --> 0:24:08.000 I'd love him to find he has his own musical 0:24:08.080 --> 0:24:12.080 he likes. Is a pretty wide perspective of the kind 0:24:12.119 --> 0:24:15.600 of music he enjoys, and he always surprises me. But 0:24:15.720 --> 0:24:18.040 that's what I want him to find music the way 0:24:18.080 --> 0:24:20.960 I did. I guess I came from a family there 0:24:20.960 --> 0:24:23.919 were no musicians, but my mom, you know, listened to 0:24:23.960 --> 0:24:27.400 a lot of classical music my parents did, and then 0:24:27.480 --> 0:24:30.640 also some folk music. And then I found my way. 0:24:30.680 --> 0:24:33.240 My brother turned me on the music. I think I 0:24:33.280 --> 0:24:36.479 found a Beatles record or something, and and and so 0:24:36.720 --> 0:24:39.040 I kind of felt that's kind of the way I 0:24:39.160 --> 0:24:42.200 found music. And so there's been music around my kids 0:24:42.240 --> 0:24:44.359 and in our house all those Snap. 0:24:44.680 --> 0:24:46.560 But yeah, he answered it. 0:24:46.680 --> 0:24:49.400 Wait wait, I was like, snap, wait a minute, we're 0:24:49.440 --> 0:24:51.919 doing a podcast. Wait a minute, Wait a minute, it's. 0:24:51.800 --> 0:24:53.600 Not you and Dave were just talking and catching up. 0:24:56.800 --> 0:24:59.520 Wait what, oh my god, twenty eight minutes. 0:25:01.200 --> 0:25:02.960 Yo, he wait. 0:25:04.040 --> 0:25:06.040 Can we each have one word of the question? 0:25:06.680 --> 0:25:10.280 What a go? Go ahead? 0:25:10.720 --> 0:25:20.400 Okay, what was your first musical memory? 0:25:20.840 --> 0:25:22.840 Wait a minute? Time out? 0:25:23.119 --> 0:25:24.639 The first question we asked. 0:25:26.280 --> 0:25:28.679 This is the level of comfort I have with Dave Matthews. 0:25:28.760 --> 0:25:32.679 I legit, I forgot I was doing a podcast. I 0:25:32.760 --> 0:25:35.440 was totally I let a half hour go by it. 0:25:35.480 --> 0:25:37.200 I didn't even start the process. 0:25:37.760 --> 0:25:40.960 No, I was like maybe he's doing his remakes Remixing'll 0:25:40.960 --> 0:25:41.800 start from the beginning. 0:25:43.359 --> 0:25:47.000 I'm here, so, uh, you know, if we have to 0:25:47.040 --> 0:25:48.400 start again, I'm happy. 0:25:48.200 --> 0:25:52.080 No no again, but I will I will say this. 0:25:53.240 --> 0:25:55.840 But the question was, what was your first musical memory. 0:25:56.440 --> 0:26:01.760 I would like to say my first live music that 0:26:01.840 --> 0:26:04.280 I remember, Like, I think it was my first memory 0:26:04.280 --> 0:26:06.560 because I think I was sitting between my mom's knees. 0:26:06.640 --> 0:26:09.000 I was a little kid, you know, sort of, and 0:26:09.680 --> 0:26:15.000 on the back of a flat bed truck. Pete Seeger 0:26:15.800 --> 0:26:23.320 was playing the band really and I remember thinking that 0:26:23.400 --> 0:26:26.480 guy's awesome and he was so weird. He was such 0:26:26.480 --> 0:26:28.800 a weird, but he was so he had he was 0:26:28.800 --> 0:26:33.200 so friendly, and so that's my first Like I feel. 0:26:32.960 --> 0:26:34.800 Like the country was this, Dave, because you've lived in 0:26:34.840 --> 0:26:36.760 a lot of places. Where were you when you saw. 0:26:38.320 --> 0:26:40.800 Up upstate not upstate New York, but you know, north 0:26:40.800 --> 0:26:42.800 of New York City. So he was in Croaton quite 0:26:42.800 --> 0:26:46.480 a bit in that area. And uh, was it turn 0:26:46.560 --> 0:26:49.600 Turn Turn or I can't remember what song I don't 0:26:49.600 --> 0:26:51.480 think he was. I can't remember what songs he was playing. 0:26:51.520 --> 0:26:54.040 I just remember thinking this and people were, you know, 0:26:54.160 --> 0:26:56.119 it was relaxed and everything but then I think my 0:26:56.880 --> 0:26:59.560 when I was five years old, I remember liking the 0:26:59.680 --> 0:27:03.080 Jacks and five, So I'm not entirely sure whether that 0:27:03.320 --> 0:27:04.960 was because why I fell in love with them was 0:27:04.960 --> 0:27:09.159 because they had a five ye right, But then I 0:27:09.200 --> 0:27:14.040 really did love them. And then i've I've fell in 0:27:14.040 --> 0:27:17.400 love with the Beatles, and I became, I would say, 0:27:17.440 --> 0:27:21.719 a bore until my brother opened my brain when I 0:27:21.760 --> 0:27:25.080 was about ten, and my brother was turned me onto 0:27:25.160 --> 0:27:27.879 other kinds of music, and and then I and then 0:27:28.040 --> 0:27:31.560 it was the seventies, so I could listen to the 0:27:31.680 --> 0:27:34.000 radio and you could hear, you know, in the seventies, 0:27:34.000 --> 0:27:35.760 you could have the radio on and it could be 0:27:35.840 --> 0:27:38.959 like at least well PLJ or whatever it was. You know, 0:27:39.119 --> 0:27:41.000 it was like, uh, it could be it would be 0:27:41.040 --> 0:27:44.840 like John Denver and then Marvin Gay and then and 0:27:44.880 --> 0:27:47.679 then uh, you know, Donna Summers and then you know, 0:27:47.920 --> 0:27:49.919 I remember my mom would always go to the radio 0:27:50.400 --> 0:27:54.320 when Donna Summers came on, and she'd be going, ah, 0:27:54.640 --> 0:27:57.399 love to love you baby, my mom like I don't 0:27:57.440 --> 0:28:00.800 like this song right right, and then wait for it 0:28:00.840 --> 0:28:03.000 to be over. But I married my mom always running 0:28:03.000 --> 0:28:05.879 to the radio and turning off the and that was 0:28:05.920 --> 0:28:07.760 the only song I could remember. Her response. I think 0:28:07.800 --> 0:28:10.560 it was just it was too much. There was too 0:28:10.600 --> 0:28:17.560 much love making in that song for my mom. 0:28:17.760 --> 0:28:22.680 Back when we scheduled this interview weeks ago, I watched 0:28:22.720 --> 0:28:27.880 about three interviews of yours, and they're pretty much they're 0:28:27.920 --> 0:28:31.120 pretty much the same format. Like they talk about, you know, 0:28:31.280 --> 0:28:33.439 your beginnings of South Africa, moving to the States, and 0:28:33.440 --> 0:28:37.880 then putting the band together. They talk about, So I'm 0:28:38.000 --> 0:28:41.640 actually gonna go back to where we were just tip 0:28:41.680 --> 0:28:44.920 five minutes ago. I'm gonna talk to you like a friend, 0:28:45.000 --> 0:28:46.840 not as a music expert. 0:28:47.120 --> 0:28:47.560 Thank you. 0:28:50.320 --> 0:28:52.880 So wait, no, no, no, I'm gonna ask you random things. 0:28:53.160 --> 0:28:57.239 So I totally I put my script away. All right, 0:28:57.280 --> 0:28:58.600 So this is what I want to know, and this 0:28:58.720 --> 0:29:01.800 is I'm asking you just your everyday life questions. Okay 0:29:02.160 --> 0:29:04.440 for for our listeners, I feel like you know a 0:29:04.480 --> 0:29:07.720 lot about a person based on their Starbucks order. What 0:29:07.880 --> 0:29:09.680 is your main order at Starbucks? 0:29:10.000 --> 0:29:14.560 U uh an Americana with cream? 0:29:15.200 --> 0:29:17.160 All right? What's that in English? Steve? Because you know 0:29:17.200 --> 0:29:18.600 that you got to translate. 0:29:18.160 --> 0:29:20.840 From espresso espresso with water in it. 0:29:22.400 --> 0:29:27.520 Steve is our resident Starbucks at it. 0:29:28.480 --> 0:29:31.000 I have I have a coffee shop in Seattle that 0:29:31.200 --> 0:29:33.440 you know, everyone has the best coffee shop in the world, 0:29:33.440 --> 0:29:35.560 but this actually is the best coffee shop. And it's 0:29:35.600 --> 0:29:39.600 called Lighthouse, And well, there's a there's some there's a 0:29:39.640 --> 0:29:41.600 lot of great coffee shops here, as there are as 0:29:41.680 --> 0:29:44.480 much as there are everywhere. But this, this particular one, 0:29:44.520 --> 0:29:47.520 I call it that, and it's a small, little one, 0:29:47.560 --> 0:29:49.080 and so I hope that it doesn't piss them off 0:29:49.080 --> 0:29:54.000 that I just uh told everyone. But I get more 0:29:54.600 --> 0:29:58.280 cappuccinos and lattes and achato's not the one that you 0:29:58.360 --> 0:30:02.320 get at Starbucks, but the original sort of simple foam 0:30:02.360 --> 0:30:05.240 and espresso when I go there, because everything they make, 0:30:05.440 --> 0:30:07.800 even if I just get a shot of espresso, everything 0:30:07.840 --> 0:30:12.200 they make there is delicious. But if I go to Starbucks, 0:30:12.200 --> 0:30:15.680 I know it's gonna be the if I get a 0:30:15.720 --> 0:30:19.680 four shot Americano, it's gonna taste exactly the same in 0:30:19.880 --> 0:30:26.240 Des Moines as it will taste in Tokyo or Yorktown Heights, 0:30:26.320 --> 0:30:30.120 New York. Yeah, it's not going to be any because 0:30:30.160 --> 0:30:32.160 they wait, what part of what part of the world 0:30:32.160 --> 0:30:32.560 do you live? 0:30:32.600 --> 0:30:34.400 Do you what part of the world are you living in? 0:30:34.440 --> 0:30:34.600 Now? 0:30:34.680 --> 0:30:38.440 Are you I live in Seattle, So I'm between. I 0:30:38.480 --> 0:30:42.320 sort of live between Virginia and Seattle. But my children, 0:30:42.400 --> 0:30:45.280 because my wife studied medicine here, my children were born 0:30:45.320 --> 0:30:45.920 in Seattle. 0:30:46.800 --> 0:30:47.480 I bored. 0:30:47.720 --> 0:30:49.800 He just he just he just got up and left. 0:30:50.080 --> 0:30:54.880 He always hate people talk about their children and where 0:30:54.880 --> 0:30:57.480 they're from. I just have to have to take a break. 0:30:58.320 --> 0:30:59.280 I had to take a break. 0:30:59.520 --> 0:31:01.880 I know, I know what you mean. It's where. It's 0:31:01.880 --> 0:31:04.240 where I just did and I did it all and 0:31:04.240 --> 0:31:06.959 and I keep doing it. Where do you live in Seattle? Anyway? 0:31:07.040 --> 0:31:10.000 So my uh, we ended up being here, and we 0:31:10.080 --> 0:31:12.720 like it in Seattle a lot. And we also so. 0:31:12.680 --> 0:31:14.640 Those are opposite towns, by the way. 0:31:14.680 --> 0:31:17.560 That's that's some interesting duality of worlds that you got 0:31:17.560 --> 0:31:19.640 going on in Charlottesville and then Seattle. 0:31:19.720 --> 0:31:23.320 That's right, it is true, but it's it's also funny 0:31:23.360 --> 0:31:29.240 because there's assumptions we make about both which are true, 0:31:29.400 --> 0:31:32.440 which are but which are also but are also very 0:31:33.760 --> 0:31:34.720 not true at all. 0:31:34.800 --> 0:31:38.720 Right, right, very often they're not monoliths. They're not monoliths. 0:31:38.840 --> 0:31:45.400 No, And maybe Charlottesville is I guess it's a wonderful place, 0:31:45.440 --> 0:31:47.280 but every place could be a little more aware of 0:31:47.320 --> 0:31:50.080 its self. Than it is. I imagine. 0:31:50.080 --> 0:31:52.600 I bet your kids are hell around well rounded for 0:31:52.720 --> 0:31:54.560 those reasons though. That's what I was thinking too, Like 0:31:55.120 --> 0:31:56.960 they get they know all the things. 0:31:56.880 --> 0:31:59.320 I think that I think I have nice. I think 0:31:59.360 --> 0:32:05.240 I have kind to children. That's the main. Yeah, absolutely, 0:32:05.720 --> 0:32:07.800 and I and and I also think that my children 0:32:07.840 --> 0:32:11.560 are well round enough that they they act polite and 0:32:11.600 --> 0:32:14.240 well put together when they when they when they see 0:32:14.240 --> 0:32:14.800 you quest but. 0:32:14.800 --> 0:32:16.160 They are very excited. 0:32:17.480 --> 0:32:19.520 I have one great story made me really proud of 0:32:19.560 --> 0:32:23.440 my kids. So my favorite musicians is Danny Barnes. He's 0:32:23.480 --> 0:32:25.440 a banjo player out of Austin. He lives up in 0:32:25.480 --> 0:32:30.120 this man. Yeah, all fuck it, I had enough. I 0:32:30.200 --> 0:32:33.880 had enough of that. My pole barn fell into my peaches. 0:32:37.120 --> 0:32:38.360 I'm looking him up right now. 0:32:39.080 --> 0:32:40.840 You know, it's it's so it's he's so funky. 0:32:41.000 --> 0:32:41.600 All fuck it. 0:32:42.880 --> 0:32:44.760 Last time we were together one hundred years ago at 0:32:44.760 --> 0:32:46.560 Sesame Street, you brought up Danny Barnes. I feel like 0:32:46.600 --> 0:32:51.720 he's a common I love you because wait, he was 0:32:51.760 --> 0:32:55.000 on Sesame Street, Bill David. Danny Barnes was not on 0:32:55.040 --> 0:32:58.160 sme streets. That would be amazing. Dave, Dave Matthews, this 0:32:58.200 --> 0:32:58.960 person he was. 0:32:58.920 --> 0:33:00.680 On brought the Sesame Street. 0:33:00.800 --> 0:33:02.440 Okay, great, I'm up. 0:33:03.200 --> 0:33:03.560 I was. 0:33:03.600 --> 0:33:06.280 I was very happy to be on Sesame Street. But anyway, 0:33:06.480 --> 0:33:11.360 my someone someone, some kid asked my kids if they 0:33:12.120 --> 0:33:14.920 knew Bob Marley, and I think they were they were 0:33:14.960 --> 0:33:19.160 asking them if they had ever heard of Bob Marley. 0:33:19.200 --> 0:33:22.320 But my kids were spoiled, and I remember my daughter 0:33:22.440 --> 0:33:25.120 said they were little, and my daughter said, I don't 0:33:25.160 --> 0:33:29.240 know Bob Marley, but we know we know Danny Barnes. 0:33:32.800 --> 0:33:32.920 There. 0:33:37.840 --> 0:33:43.680 All right, My next everyday question is what television show 0:33:43.720 --> 0:33:45.040 are you currently binging? 0:33:45.920 --> 0:33:46.120 One? 0:33:47.800 --> 0:33:54.400 So I'm I am mad that I do like that. Uh, 0:33:55.320 --> 0:34:00.720 the Last of Us thing? Okay, but and the last 0:34:00.720 --> 0:34:04.000 two episodes were my favorite, and because they were just 0:34:04.240 --> 0:34:10.040 so man, I'm just didn't finish it. 0:34:10.080 --> 0:34:12.080 I didn't finish it, and I finished it ruthless. 0:34:12.320 --> 0:34:14.759 I just ruthless. I'm excited, So I'm sad that I 0:34:14.800 --> 0:34:16.560 got to the end. Anyway, they were ruthless. A lot 0:34:16.560 --> 0:34:18.120 of people were like, I don't like the last two. 0:34:18.160 --> 0:34:22.319 I was like, I love them. But also I wanted 0:34:22.320 --> 0:34:25.280 to tell you, I think people should watch this funny. 0:34:25.680 --> 0:34:29.000 I think it's Australian show. I don't know if they 0:34:29.000 --> 0:34:33.560 haven't made it anymore, but it's called Mister in Between. 0:34:33.840 --> 0:34:35.400 Is anybody here that sounds familiar? Way? 0:34:35.400 --> 0:34:35.560 Way? 0:34:35.600 --> 0:34:37.600 Wait, what's what's what service? What is this one? 0:34:37.760 --> 0:34:40.720 I think it's Mister in Between. I really like this show. 0:34:41.160 --> 0:34:46.400 Oh I just meant I could be on it, you know, 0:34:46.680 --> 0:34:50.720 but sometimes you just fall onto you fall into things. 0:34:51.880 --> 0:34:55.120 I know that there's gonna be a show that I'm 0:34:55.280 --> 0:35:00.040 watching that I have that I've forgotten. Okay, and and 0:35:00.040 --> 0:35:03.080 then there's uh uh, I just finished that. 0:35:03.920 --> 0:35:06.040 Res Dogs. It's cool. 0:35:06.520 --> 0:35:09.760 Reservation Dogs, Indigenous kids. 0:35:10.040 --> 0:35:11.920 Yes dogs. 0:35:12.160 --> 0:35:15.879 Yes, it's a really good show because. 0:35:15.560 --> 0:35:18.240 A lot of dope indigenous shows on like on streaming 0:35:18.320 --> 0:35:20.040 right now, like they didn't include the community. 0:35:20.120 --> 0:35:27.080 Is really cool, really, all of the non musical jobs 0:35:27.600 --> 0:35:28.279 that you've had. 0:35:30.200 --> 0:35:33.359 It's my favorite episode of Questlove Supreme ever. It's because 0:35:33.400 --> 0:35:33.799 I just. 0:35:33.680 --> 0:35:35.160 Want to I want to know them as a human 0:35:35.160 --> 0:35:36.200 being instead. 0:35:35.840 --> 0:35:39.279 Of as I did. I was a bartender, which is 0:35:39.400 --> 0:35:43.840 I think, uh not unusual for musicians, but I but 0:35:44.120 --> 0:35:47.040 I worked my way up to bartending. I started off 0:35:47.080 --> 0:35:49.600 as the salad guy, and they used to call me 0:35:49.640 --> 0:35:53.000 the nacho guy because I made more nachos than salads. 0:35:53.320 --> 0:35:55.400 And then I waited tables. 0:35:56.160 --> 0:35:56.760 I hated. 0:35:57.120 --> 0:36:01.799 That's the worst. That's the hardest job in the world, waiting. 0:36:02.400 --> 0:36:03.520 I think it's the hardest job. 0:36:04.480 --> 0:36:06.400 Do you have the ability to carry that train like 0:36:06.440 --> 0:36:07.319 way above your head? 0:36:07.680 --> 0:36:08.000 I was. 0:36:08.239 --> 0:36:09.279 I was good. 0:36:09.400 --> 0:36:12.680 I'm good at carrying trays. But I'm also really good 0:36:12.880 --> 0:36:16.440 when i'm overwhelmed, because I'm easily overwhelmed. I'm really good 0:36:16.480 --> 0:36:19.600 at pretending that someone's not in my section until they leave. 0:36:21.160 --> 0:36:24.000 Wait, so you got passive aggressively. 0:36:24.280 --> 0:36:27.520 Yeah, excuse me? Uh can can Uh? We haven't been 0:36:27.560 --> 0:36:29.680 served yet. I'm sorry you're not in my section. I'm 0:36:29.719 --> 0:36:35.400 just going to but I'll let your waiter know. I 0:36:35.400 --> 0:36:37.640 didn't do but I did do it, and I will 0:36:37.680 --> 0:36:39.279 and I and I tell you that the one of 0:36:39.280 --> 0:36:41.600 the weird. I was working on the patio and there's 0:36:41.640 --> 0:36:44.600 a lot of rats in this particular underneath this mall. 0:36:44.960 --> 0:36:48.320 But I there was they used to rats with restaurants. 0:36:48.360 --> 0:36:48.640 Okay. 0:36:48.719 --> 0:36:53.920 I walked onto the patio where I where I was waiting, 0:36:54.000 --> 0:36:56.040 and I looked and there was this there was a 0:36:56.080 --> 0:36:59.120 group of women and they were a little bit fancy. 0:36:59.239 --> 0:37:01.400 We're not too fans because they were at our restaurant, 0:37:01.440 --> 0:37:03.320 but they were a little bit fancy, and there was 0:37:03.360 --> 0:37:09.320 a rat at their feet. So I didn't want to say, 0:37:10.600 --> 0:37:13.560 excuse me, there's a rat at your feet because that 0:37:13.600 --> 0:37:19.120 would cause mayhem. I love the way anyway, so I 0:37:19.200 --> 0:37:24.160 waited for the rat to walk away from under their table, 0:37:26.120 --> 0:37:28.480 and it took so long. They would move their feet 0:37:28.520 --> 0:37:31.200 like the rat would be standing on their shoe, and 0:37:31.239 --> 0:37:33.719 then it would they'd move their feet and then the 0:37:33.800 --> 0:37:35.960 rat would just walk over. I mean, it was so 0:37:36.600 --> 0:37:42.880 bananas in Charlottesville. It was the most comfortable rat in 0:37:42.920 --> 0:37:49.960 the world. It walked out onto the to an open area, 0:37:50.640 --> 0:37:54.200 and then the ladies spotted it when it was in 0:37:54.239 --> 0:37:57.600 an open area outside the restaurant, and one of the 0:37:57.680 --> 0:38:02.239 ladies said, a rat. And then and then they all 0:38:02.280 --> 0:38:07.520 were like and then and then the dude came out 0:38:07.560 --> 0:38:09.880 of its long clothes. Now this dude came out of 0:38:09.920 --> 0:38:13.440 a Walmart and he had a and I was at 0:38:13.480 --> 0:38:15.319 this story. Now I was like, oh, I've been I 0:38:15.440 --> 0:38:17.239 must say, I must stop the run. 0:38:17.360 --> 0:38:18.480 Now you care? Now you care? 0:38:20.000 --> 0:38:22.200 Now I can acknowledge that the rats that if it was, 0:38:22.760 --> 0:38:25.799 I was just I was so happy it made it away. Anyway, 0:38:26.360 --> 0:38:29.759 it wasn't in my section. And then and this dude 0:38:29.880 --> 0:38:34.080 came out of the Walmart with a broom handle and 0:38:34.120 --> 0:38:37.759 a box and then just right in front of everyone, 0:38:38.520 --> 0:38:44.960 just beat this rat to death. People were like, a rat, 0:38:45.040 --> 0:38:47.760 Oh no, what a rat? And this dude just walked 0:38:47.760 --> 0:38:49.719 out just as if nothing was I just was like, 0:38:53.520 --> 0:38:57.480 people were like and I was kind of stunned too. 0:38:57.480 --> 0:39:00.319 And then he just smacked it into the box and 0:39:00.480 --> 0:39:05.200 just walked away back dropped the box next to Walmart 0:39:05.239 --> 0:39:08.320 and just walked in. Not Walmart. What am I talking about? Woolworths? 0:39:08.360 --> 0:39:13.279 I said, hold on, hedn't come out of a giant 0:39:13.400 --> 0:39:16.040 mega store. He came out of the old, the little 0:39:16.080 --> 0:39:20.439 old Woolworths. I I ruined the story by so you didn't. 0:39:20.360 --> 0:39:25.120 Know Dave Matthews. You literally, yo, guys, this might have 0:39:25.200 --> 0:39:26.280 to be my new format. 0:39:26.880 --> 0:39:29.719 I love waits. That's one job. What's the other? 0:39:29.800 --> 0:39:30.040 Four? 0:39:30.760 --> 0:39:30.960 Oh? 0:39:31.040 --> 0:39:31.279 Ship? 0:39:31.960 --> 0:39:34.200 So I worked in a record store and and it 0:39:34.280 --> 0:39:36.000 was in South Africa, and it was. 0:39:36.000 --> 0:39:39.959 When, oh my god, I can't believe. 0:39:40.200 --> 0:39:45.600 Anita Baker's like smash album came out and she was wait, 0:39:45.640 --> 0:39:49.279 time out, time out, time out, tell himbout, wait, why 0:39:49.280 --> 0:39:50.080 do we get triggered? 0:39:54.239 --> 0:39:54.479 Sorry? 0:39:54.560 --> 0:39:58.319 Dating, it's not a game. 0:39:58.360 --> 0:39:58.879 It's not a game. 0:39:58.920 --> 0:39:59.200 Go ahead. 0:39:59.239 --> 0:40:00.160 I'm sorry inside, So. 0:40:01.520 --> 0:40:03.520 It got started like what the fuck. 0:40:05.880 --> 0:40:09.759 This was a long time ago. Anyways, I apologize if 0:40:09.800 --> 0:40:13.480 I if I haven't been reading the paper. But anyway, 0:40:13.560 --> 0:40:17.560 she was just that album was just that was NonStop 0:40:17.640 --> 0:40:21.400 and that was what everyone was. It was and the 0:40:21.440 --> 0:40:23.680 thing was, it was. It was in the it was 0:40:23.719 --> 0:40:26.120 in the city in Jannisburg, and it's and it's it 0:40:26.200 --> 0:40:29.920 was an interesting time because it's when like Hillbrow in 0:40:30.000 --> 0:40:34.359 Johannesburg and Joville and Johannesburg and downtown Johannesburg where they 0:40:34.360 --> 0:40:39.120 were starting to call them gray areas because although Aparthei 0:40:39.360 --> 0:40:43.960 was still like holding on with its claws, it was 0:40:44.239 --> 0:40:46.880 it was everyone everyone knew it was at this It 0:40:47.000 --> 0:40:52.080 was when the clerk was about to he was gonna 0:40:52.280 --> 0:40:54.560 the President of South Africa was about to what they 0:40:54.600 --> 0:40:57.480 you know what the what much of the country, uh, 0:40:57.520 --> 0:41:00.000 the white part of the country considered the great betray 0:41:00.360 --> 0:41:05.520 because he was hard line apartheid guy. And then suddenly 0:41:05.719 --> 0:41:08.360 he just did. But I think he got the reports 0:41:08.360 --> 0:41:14.399 from people and and it was essentially you know, let 0:41:14.440 --> 0:41:18.640 go or it's or you know, there's going to be 0:41:19.800 --> 0:41:24.439 get get out. So anyway, it was right around that time, 0:41:24.480 --> 0:41:28.120 so there were these gray areas where people like where 0:41:28.320 --> 0:41:33.200 it was essentially you know, already integrated, and you know, 0:41:33.239 --> 0:41:36.279 the police was still horrifying and it was all that 0:41:36.400 --> 0:41:38.200 was still going on. But it was like these certain 0:41:38.239 --> 0:41:40.400 areas like they're sort of the hip to be college 0:41:40.400 --> 0:41:45.759 students and Orthodox Jews and then anyone else that want 0:41:45.760 --> 0:41:49.000 to live there. It's just And what one Polish guy 0:41:49.040 --> 0:41:50.719 once said to me when I was in his cab 0:41:50.840 --> 0:41:55.760 in New York going to Brooklyn, he says, you know why. 0:41:54.160 --> 0:41:58.919 The Jews don't leave here. The Jews don't leave here 0:41:59.000 --> 0:42:03.239 because the Jews don't take ship from every Bobby. And 0:42:03.280 --> 0:42:05.880 I was so interesting this. I don't know why I 0:42:05.880 --> 0:42:07.240 did a weird not good. 0:42:07.280 --> 0:42:08.839 No, that was I thought that was kind of good. 0:42:08.880 --> 0:42:10.040 I don't know Steve Bill. 0:42:10.200 --> 0:42:12.520 But I feel like that Polish was nailed. 0:42:12.560 --> 0:42:12.799 That was. 0:42:13.320 --> 0:42:17.359 I felt like b minus I was minus. 0:42:17.080 --> 0:42:19.160 Is exactly right. But anyway, it was a fucking accent. 0:42:19.280 --> 0:42:23.480 Oh but anyway, it wasn't me. I didn't say it 0:42:23.560 --> 0:42:25.600 so then, yes, but I just thought that was so. 0:42:25.680 --> 0:42:27.480 I just thought it was interesting because then I ended 0:42:27.560 --> 0:42:30.880 up living years later. Uh, in an area or with 0:42:30.920 --> 0:42:34.040 a friend in an area that was it was like 0:42:34.400 --> 0:42:38.960 had been very much uh like sort of a Jewish 0:42:39.080 --> 0:42:43.120 area in in Johannesburg that had now become this sort 0:42:43.120 --> 0:42:45.200 of gray area, but it was still very Jewish, but 0:42:45.239 --> 0:42:48.160 it was also college kids and it was also it 0:42:48.200 --> 0:42:50.200 was a really interesting time. And that's when I worked 0:42:50.239 --> 0:42:54.240 at this record store. I wish I could Hillbrow Records 0:42:54.280 --> 0:42:54.520 is what. 0:42:54.480 --> 0:42:55.000 It was called. 0:42:55.360 --> 0:42:58.160 And and then what else ship That was a long 0:42:58.160 --> 0:43:01.560 it's a long story. And I drew some pictures. I 0:43:01.600 --> 0:43:07.440 did some illustrations for for magazines like uh brochures for 0:43:07.520 --> 0:43:10.520 like insurance companies for a little while. That was that's 0:43:10.600 --> 0:43:13.640 just like a small like a local like coming, you know, 0:43:13.760 --> 0:43:16.960 get your you're an illustrator, like a really like like 0:43:16.960 --> 0:43:19.280 like come and get a thermometer put in your buttthole 0:43:20.000 --> 0:43:23.439 at this start you write a cartoon of it, or yeah, 0:43:23.520 --> 0:43:27.480 you draw a little like picture. Now. I wish it 0:43:27.520 --> 0:43:29.440 was that interesting. It was much more like, you know. 0:43:30.160 --> 0:43:33.200 Wait, can I ask does your publicist approve of this interview? 0:43:33.239 --> 0:43:42.480 I feel like they're here, they. 0:43:38.000 --> 0:43:40.799 They're right there. They just. 0:43:43.920 --> 0:43:45.640 Random dude giving you two thumbs up. 0:43:45.680 --> 0:43:46.280 That's amazing. 0:43:46.360 --> 0:43:48.880 Can I ask a random acting question real quick because 0:43:49.000 --> 0:43:51.960 I'm sorry, but your your favorite characters of mine was 0:43:51.960 --> 0:43:54.840 from Blenda And I'm just so curious if you're like 0:43:54.840 --> 0:43:58.040 an improv dude or yeah. 0:43:57.840 --> 0:43:59.600 I'm just that's my first question about acting. 0:43:59.600 --> 0:44:01.399 But I'm just curious if you're improvd to do because 0:44:01.400 --> 0:44:02.680 it seems like you'd be amazing at it. 0:44:03.000 --> 0:44:07.480 Well, I haven't done too much of it, but I would, 0:44:07.520 --> 0:44:09.440 I'm I'm but I'm willing to learn. 0:44:10.080 --> 0:44:13.000 Really, So what's your acting? So as far as your training, 0:44:13.120 --> 0:44:14.520 what do you what do you consider you? 0:44:15.040 --> 0:44:18.880 Just when I was when I was bartending a bunch 0:44:18.920 --> 0:44:22.720 of a bunch of English grads who worked in bars 0:44:22.800 --> 0:44:28.319 in Charlottesville and other people that started there's two there 0:44:28.360 --> 0:44:32.759 was one called off stage theater and one uh there 0:44:32.800 --> 0:44:35.759 and there was another one that was that wasn't in 0:44:35.840 --> 0:44:38.879 random places that I've forgotten it now and they'll get 0:44:38.880 --> 0:44:40.680 mad at me when they if any of them hear this. 0:44:40.840 --> 0:44:43.399 But and then so we I used to do when 0:44:43.440 --> 0:44:46.520 I was twenty in my early twenties, I used to 0:44:46.640 --> 0:44:50.480 do little acting things there and you know, try to 0:44:50.480 --> 0:44:53.240 figure out what the hell I was doing with myself. 0:44:53.360 --> 0:44:54.759 I wanted to do something. 0:44:56.200 --> 0:44:56.839 Result right. 0:44:57.640 --> 0:45:00.920 I think the last thing I did with off stage 0:45:01.000 --> 0:45:03.960 theater was, uh, the band was already together. I think 0:45:04.000 --> 0:45:06.920 a couple of guys came to something I did in 0:45:06.920 --> 0:45:09.560 in the bars, Leroy and Carter. I think they came 0:45:10.480 --> 0:45:12.000 to one of them. And then now, I you know, 0:45:12.400 --> 0:45:14.680 you know, if Sandler calls me, I'll do his movie. 0:45:15.719 --> 0:45:17.319 Say, y'all got a nice relationship. 0:45:18.040 --> 0:45:20.520 What's your most fun Adam Sandler experience of all the 0:45:20.560 --> 0:45:21.800 movies that you've done again. 0:45:22.160 --> 0:45:24.960 So so one time, and he'll he might not verify 0:45:25.000 --> 0:45:30.000 this because but but it's mildly x rated. But he 0:45:30.160 --> 0:45:35.000 called me up and he said, he said, hey, buddy, 0:45:35.040 --> 0:45:37.520 I got this one thing. I got this thing for you. 0:45:37.960 --> 0:45:40.000 He says, you go, you gotta read this. And it 0:45:40.080 --> 0:45:43.239 was actually for the part that I think Woody Harrelson 0:45:43.400 --> 0:45:47.960 ended up playing, so he obviously Adam got a better option. 0:45:48.400 --> 0:45:53.320 But it was when wood he played the trans woman 0:45:53.400 --> 0:45:53.880 or something in. 0:45:55.719 --> 0:45:56.120 Manment. 0:45:56.360 --> 0:45:59.480 Yeah, but wood he was would he was great anyway, 0:45:59.640 --> 0:46:02.080 So so he was. I think he was calling me 0:46:02.120 --> 0:46:04.280 about that. I'm not one hundred percent sure of but 0:46:04.480 --> 0:46:06.640 he said, I got that, I got this pop with you. 0:46:07.000 --> 0:46:13.160 And I said, I said, uh, I'll do anything for 0:46:13.239 --> 0:46:15.400 you said, I said you could dress. I said you 0:46:15.400 --> 0:46:18.200 could do anything. You're amazing. You could put a dress on. 0:46:19.120 --> 0:46:22.319 And I probably, you know, want to make love to you. 0:46:22.360 --> 0:46:27.400 And he goes, whoa, and he goes and he goes, whoa, whoa, whoa, buddy, 0:46:27.440 --> 0:46:29.680 you could, you could, you could never. You can never 0:46:29.760 --> 0:46:32.200 ever make love to me, Like I'm sorry. He goes, 0:46:32.480 --> 0:46:34.960 you could even maybe you could titty fuck my ass, 0:46:35.040 --> 0:46:38.400 but you can never go inside. And I was like, 0:46:38.800 --> 0:46:41.760 that's my that's my greatest memmory memory of Adam. 0:46:41.840 --> 0:46:42.320 That is. 0:46:43.880 --> 0:46:45.560 Tell us he was a jack of jail or whatever. 0:46:45.640 --> 0:46:49.799 And I was like, no, never go inside me. 0:46:50.560 --> 0:46:52.160 Also, that question is point on. 0:46:52.360 --> 0:46:53.480 It is point on. 0:46:53.640 --> 0:46:55.160 That is spot on, sand Man. 0:46:55.760 --> 0:46:57.640 Okay, I'm sorry to be heady about this, but so 0:46:57.760 --> 0:47:00.400 everything that happened between you and Nicole Hinman was cryptic. 0:47:01.640 --> 0:47:03.399 Yeah, I mean for the most, I mean for the most, 0:47:03.520 --> 0:47:06.920 the stumbling was. It was all pretty pretty scripted. She's 0:47:06.920 --> 0:47:10.759 pretty shot, and Keith was Keith was around quite a 0:47:10.800 --> 0:47:11.200 bit too. 0:47:13.120 --> 0:47:16.800 Okay, tar players making a weird awkward it's. 0:47:16.640 --> 0:47:17.759 The funny she's ever been. 0:47:17.800 --> 0:47:21.600 That's she's but she you know what, what's interesting is 0:47:21.600 --> 0:47:26.600 is how much she adores Adam Sandler, because she said 0:47:26.600 --> 0:47:30.719 when she was first coming up, she said, she was 0:47:30.760 --> 0:47:33.840 on Saturday Night Live and she was terrified, and Adam 0:47:34.040 --> 0:47:37.920 was just the nicest man. And that's kind of it's 0:47:37.960 --> 0:47:41.680 kind of a thing that's interesting about He's like, like, 0:47:41.800 --> 0:47:44.080 you know, he says, he works as hard as anybody, 0:47:44.080 --> 0:47:47.800 but that guy is absolutely one of the nicest people 0:47:47.800 --> 0:47:48.400 in the world. 0:47:48.840 --> 0:47:51.239 He is he is, He absolutely is. 0:47:55.960 --> 0:47:57.680 David, I've been asked, I've been wanted to ask you 0:47:57.719 --> 0:48:00.359 this my entire life. We talked about We've talked about before. 0:48:00.360 --> 0:48:02.640 Actually you talk to the Beatles, the simplicity of melody, 0:48:02.680 --> 0:48:07.120 the simplicity of music writing, and yet when I listen 0:48:07.239 --> 0:48:11.400 to your songs, there's the time signatures are complex, the 0:48:11.640 --> 0:48:16.560 thoughts are complex, the harmonics are complex. It feels like 0:48:16.560 --> 0:48:18.640 like one thought and then a different practice. 0:48:19.040 --> 0:48:24.520 Yeah, I've I have, I have learned nothing but. 0:48:24.560 --> 0:48:28.080 Like, but like we've worked together for a long time, 0:48:28.120 --> 0:48:30.759 and like it's like it's a I think in your 0:48:30.760 --> 0:48:32.719 head and in my head and I guess in song 0:48:32.800 --> 0:48:34.440 Unders said, you want you want to present the most 0:48:34.440 --> 0:48:37.480 simple thing, the most beautiful, simple, perfect thing. But yet 0:48:37.520 --> 0:48:40.520 for whatever reason, you get caught up in the musicality 0:48:40.520 --> 0:48:42.759 of it all, right, and then and then you try 0:48:42.840 --> 0:48:45.880 to still right and then but but for whatever reason, 0:48:45.920 --> 0:48:49.240 you're very successful at finding that in the end, finding 0:48:49.239 --> 0:48:52.080 the most beautiful thing regardless, right, And so that has 0:48:52.120 --> 0:48:55.799 always been my like number one Dave Matthews thing your 0:48:55.920 --> 0:48:58.960 entire career as a fan, as a person who knows 0:48:58.960 --> 0:49:00.759 you that just like I don't know how you do that. 0:49:00.880 --> 0:49:04.359 I really don't, and it's like, it's really fantastic. That's 0:49:04.400 --> 0:49:06.880 I don't know how better to say that, and words. 0:49:06.680 --> 0:49:10.239 Well, that's that's, that's, that's very kind. I do I 0:49:10.320 --> 0:49:12.479 have to say that I do. I want to say, 0:49:12.560 --> 0:49:17.920 stop there and don't fuck it up, don't change it 0:49:17.960 --> 0:49:21.800 to five, don't put it in eight for no reason 0:49:21.840 --> 0:49:22.960 and then switch it to four. 0:49:23.280 --> 0:49:23.799 What do you do? 0:49:23.920 --> 0:49:25.960 Why do I have to be so confusing? But then 0:49:26.000 --> 0:49:28.920 I but then sometimes I can't stop myself and then 0:49:29.320 --> 0:49:32.800 I just end up going in circles until it's too complicated, 0:49:32.800 --> 0:49:34.879 so I either throw it away or something. But I 0:49:34.920 --> 0:49:36.960 also have to say something that some There have been 0:49:37.200 --> 0:49:40.480 specific times in my life when I've said when I've 0:49:40.520 --> 0:49:45.080 come up with something that's that's weird, a weird time signature. 0:49:45.120 --> 0:49:47.080 It's unusual, but I feel like it, and it's I 0:49:47.160 --> 0:49:49.360 think a lot of it is sort of listening to 0:49:49.880 --> 0:49:52.839 some sort of Central African West African grooves and how 0:49:53.200 --> 0:49:55.200 it sounds like it's here but then it's actually over here, 0:49:55.280 --> 0:49:56.719 and and and and and I don't know if I 0:49:56.800 --> 0:49:59.080 understand it, but I but I still get inspired by it, 0:49:59.160 --> 0:50:01.560 and and then I'll come up with something and I 0:50:01.600 --> 0:50:04.239 think to myself, I think this will sound really good 0:50:04.280 --> 0:50:07.400 if Carter plays it, you know, because Carter will come 0:50:07.440 --> 0:50:11.960 in and make something it's really unusual sound like it 0:50:12.080 --> 0:50:16.239 makes sense, and I think it's a remarkable gift. So 0:50:16.280 --> 0:50:21.640 sometimes I even go on tangents just to play for Carter, who, who, 0:50:21.840 --> 0:50:25.120 if anyone that's listening doesn't know, is the drummer that 0:50:25.160 --> 0:50:26.839 I've been lucky enough to work with for. 0:50:27.320 --> 0:50:29.920 To trust me. They we all know quarter View. 0:50:30.400 --> 0:50:32.359 I know you guys know, but a. 0:50:32.320 --> 0:50:34.520 Mirror like, how do you feel about a drummer like Carter, 0:50:34.600 --> 0:50:39.240 Because essentially your philosophies are completely and utterly polite opposite, 0:50:39.280 --> 0:50:41.880 So you want to know something because also like and 0:50:41.960 --> 0:50:44.479 I respect you both in so different ways. 0:50:44.560 --> 0:50:47.400 But it's a completely different thing, and that's fascinating to me. 0:50:47.480 --> 0:50:48.480 Here's the funny thing. 0:50:49.040 --> 0:50:51.440 So the project I'm working on right now right. 0:50:52.760 --> 0:50:57.880 Is it was me looking at these guys like a 0:50:57.920 --> 0:51:04.440 period between ninety four to ninety six, and it just 0:51:04.560 --> 0:51:07.040 hit me when I saw them like this is like 0:51:07.080 --> 0:51:10.080 when the second album Verse came out and I saw them. 0:51:10.520 --> 0:51:14.359 So basically, what Bill is explaining is that I have 0:51:14.360 --> 0:51:21.440 a very bare bones, straight pocket. And it wasn't until 0:51:22.760 --> 0:51:24.760 I saw you cold blooded pocket. 0:51:25.880 --> 0:51:26.840 But it wasn't. 0:51:26.680 --> 0:51:33.000 Until I saw the earliest performance of an unmentioned secret 0:51:33.000 --> 0:51:36.200 project I'm working on that it finally hit me. I 0:51:36.280 --> 0:51:39.719 was like, yo, now I saw this with at the 0:51:39.800 --> 0:51:42.520 Drive In. I saw this with and then when I 0:51:42.560 --> 0:51:45.560 saw this also when they morphed into Mars Volta, and 0:51:45.600 --> 0:51:48.600 now I'm seeing it with Dave Matthews. I now know 0:51:49.600 --> 0:51:56.280 where the true creative home, where what I call gospel 0:51:56.360 --> 0:52:03.960 chop jumping belongs. Carter is the perfect musical specimen of 0:52:04.040 --> 0:52:09.240 a drummer for this particular ensemble situation where it fit's 0:52:09.239 --> 0:52:11.759 like a hand and glove. The problem I have is, 0:52:11.800 --> 0:52:13.719 all right, if you were to take Carter. 0:52:13.920 --> 0:52:15.560 He is gospel chops, you're saying. 0:52:15.560 --> 0:52:18.160 It's transcendent gospel shops like it's He's on a whole 0:52:18.160 --> 0:52:19.280 other level, right. 0:52:19.160 --> 0:52:20.560 He's the honest. But that's the thing. 0:52:20.680 --> 0:52:24.040 And but the only reason why that level of drumming 0:52:24.120 --> 0:52:27.080 would be jarring for me is if say a tribe 0:52:27.080 --> 0:52:31.480 called Quest asked for the same sort of drummer, you 0:52:31.560 --> 0:52:34.040 know what I'm saying, Yeah, then it would be different. 0:52:34.760 --> 0:52:37.880 But I now, like when I when I saw it, 0:52:37.960 --> 0:52:41.399 then I went on an instant rabbit hole and only 0:52:41.480 --> 0:52:45.040 watched pre ninety nine Dave Matthews to see them at 0:52:45.040 --> 0:52:48.640 their very beginners, and I'm like, oh shit, you guys 0:52:48.640 --> 0:52:54.720 are actually the blueprint for where black music is today 0:52:54.880 --> 0:52:56.759 as far as rhythmically and structurally. 0:52:57.960 --> 0:52:59.560 And I don't think you guys know that. 0:52:59.600 --> 0:53:04.440 And I don't think that's for sure that we know that. 0:53:04.920 --> 0:53:06.200 No, I don't think we know that. 0:53:06.280 --> 0:53:09.880 And it's just like only in Mars Volta and in 0:53:09.960 --> 0:53:14.320 the Dave Matthews band is that level of insane drumming 0:53:15.000 --> 0:53:17.200 like music to my ears where it's just. 0:53:17.160 --> 0:53:19.839 Perfect makes all the sense. 0:53:19.880 --> 0:53:21.959 Don't get me wrong. I mean right. 0:53:23.360 --> 0:53:27.040 Again, I'll just sit here and I'll just lie in. 0:53:27.080 --> 0:53:28.840 That sounds good for me. 0:53:28.960 --> 0:53:30.640 Wait, did I not make that clear. 0:53:31.440 --> 0:53:33.120 But it was just it was kind of meant, oh, yes, 0:53:33.280 --> 0:53:34.640 I have a way to go around. 0:53:34.400 --> 0:53:37.439 The scenic route to get to the point. 0:53:37.640 --> 0:53:42.239 Yes, But okay, so what is your preferred method of songwriting? 0:53:42.920 --> 0:53:45.280 So do you do it alone or do you guys 0:53:45.280 --> 0:53:46.480 get together. 0:53:46.560 --> 0:53:50.640 Or there's been times when, like the I think sometimes 0:53:50.680 --> 0:53:54.040 the best of what we do is when we're all 0:53:54.440 --> 0:53:57.000 together in the room and and you know, I'll have 0:53:57.160 --> 0:54:01.080 I'll find an idea and and and we'll jet Like 0:54:01.440 --> 0:54:03.560 one of my favorite songs that I think we've ever 0:54:04.440 --> 0:54:07.239 ever put out called it's called Virginia in the Rain, 0:54:07.280 --> 0:54:09.200 and actually it only came out a couple of albums ago. 0:54:10.000 --> 0:54:13.920 It's just this swimming kind of feel and it's crazy, 0:54:14.120 --> 0:54:17.120 and it's so comfortable, and everyone sounds exactly like everyone 0:54:17.200 --> 0:54:19.839 sounds and it but it's kind of a magical thing. 0:54:19.880 --> 0:54:22.480 And the way that the timing kind of has this 0:54:22.600 --> 0:54:25.040 upside down thing. And when we were first doing it, 0:54:25.640 --> 0:54:27.760 I think we all kind of almost had different ones, 0:54:27.800 --> 0:54:30.640 you know, it's like this, but the writing on that 0:54:31.080 --> 0:54:33.280 was all of us, you know, in the same space. 0:54:33.320 --> 0:54:35.839 And then there's times when when I'll come in with 0:54:36.760 --> 0:54:40.560 a sort of almost finished song, and and then also, 0:54:40.880 --> 0:54:43.799 I have a I don't it's not maybe traditional, but 0:54:43.840 --> 0:54:46.160 I have a I think it's probably more common now, 0:54:46.200 --> 0:54:48.600 but there's a song like on the new record to 0:54:49.440 --> 0:54:51.400 walk around the Moon. And obviously it was harder for 0:54:51.400 --> 0:54:53.080 all of us to get into a room together in 0:54:53.120 --> 0:54:56.880 the pandemic because we're all everyone's losing their minds, and 0:54:56.920 --> 0:55:00.319 so that was sort of a restrictive situation. But you know, 0:55:00.520 --> 0:55:04.319 in traditional terms, I'd finished the song walk around the Moon, 0:55:04.880 --> 0:55:07.280 and then Carter came in. He was the first person 0:55:07.320 --> 0:55:12.120 to come in because the producer Rob said we should 0:55:12.160 --> 0:55:14.000 get Carter to play on this. We hadn't planned it 0:55:14.040 --> 0:55:17.919 making a record, and but when Carter first he listened 0:55:17.960 --> 0:55:20.800 to that and he did his funny sort of writing 0:55:20.840 --> 0:55:24.040 down the arrangement, and and then he went out and 0:55:24.840 --> 0:55:30.279 what he played over it was so bananas and so beautiful, 0:55:30.360 --> 0:55:35.320 so straightforward, but so bananas. It's like it like wrote 0:55:35.360 --> 0:55:38.239 it like here was the song was written here. And 0:55:38.280 --> 0:55:42.520 then what he did like change the song, but it didn't. 0:55:42.560 --> 0:55:44.200 It just made it way more what it was. And 0:55:44.239 --> 0:55:48.319 I think in a traditional sense someone would say, uh, 0:55:48.600 --> 0:55:50.640 you know, I'd say, like, oh, I wrote that song 0:55:51.360 --> 0:55:53.279 and you know, maybe there have been times when I 0:55:53.320 --> 0:55:55.919 had but I had to say Carter wrote the song 0:55:55.960 --> 0:55:58.400 with me, because just you know, just the way he 0:55:58.480 --> 0:56:01.640 came in, And so is that time. So some songs 0:56:01.680 --> 0:56:05.160 come out of jams. Ninety nine percent of the time, 0:56:05.200 --> 0:56:07.920 I write the lyrics afterwards, which is why maybe it's 0:56:07.920 --> 0:56:12.200 so often they're gobbledygop trying to kind of I can 0:56:12.560 --> 0:56:14.359 figure out a way I how to screw a lyric 0:56:14.480 --> 0:56:18.320 onto something that's jumping all over the place. So whether 0:56:18.480 --> 0:56:24.200 I write a musical thing or form or song by myself, 0:56:24.360 --> 0:56:28.279 or the band gets together and we jam something, or 0:56:29.280 --> 0:56:32.279 or it's a mixture of each thing, the writing of 0:56:32.280 --> 0:56:34.680 the lyrics sort of comes at the end. So that 0:56:34.920 --> 0:56:38.360 is so the process, that part of it doesn't change. 0:56:38.800 --> 0:56:41.759 I love when we're all free and I you know, 0:56:41.920 --> 0:56:44.560 there's times when I'll you know, say to Carter, play 0:56:44.600 --> 0:56:47.560 something like play this, you know, or but there's also 0:56:47.600 --> 0:56:49.800 times where where I don't say anything, you know, and 0:56:50.760 --> 0:56:52.880 I would expect to same from him too. You know, 0:56:54.760 --> 0:56:58.840 I do feel like a very fortunate that we've managed 0:56:58.880 --> 0:57:03.239 to like keep this process. I've managed to keep this 0:57:03.280 --> 0:57:06.680 process a little bit of an exchange rather than getting 0:57:06.719 --> 0:57:10.879 into a place where you know, I'm telling everyone what 0:57:10.920 --> 0:57:13.480 to do because I think so much more power in 0:57:13.880 --> 0:57:15.719 at least in this band. We've all been together so 0:57:15.840 --> 0:57:18.400 much that you know, there's more noise to be had 0:57:18.440 --> 0:57:22.120 from other people that make make things surprising for you? 0:57:22.360 --> 0:57:23.080 Is is there? 0:57:24.040 --> 0:57:27.520 What what is your idea of musical happiness? 0:57:27.520 --> 0:57:28.560 Like do you prefer. 0:57:29.800 --> 0:57:34.400 Small, small, intimate jamming situations with your band or actually, 0:57:34.440 --> 0:57:37.600 when's the last time you guys played in you know, 0:57:37.680 --> 0:57:41.800 like Toads Up, Yeah, like Toads Up in the Yale Like. 0:57:42.600 --> 0:57:45.160 But we you know, often when we play outside of 0:57:45.160 --> 0:57:48.360 the country, outside of the US, you know, we play 0:57:48.400 --> 0:57:51.040 in smaller places. It depends, you know, we do. There's 0:57:51.160 --> 0:57:52.960 you know, parts of Europe where we do better. But 0:57:53.160 --> 0:57:55.560 we're more in a weird way, we're more of a 0:57:56.400 --> 0:57:59.360 like a cult band in the rest of the world 0:57:59.360 --> 0:58:02.400 than we are definitely than we are in the States. 0:58:02.400 --> 0:58:03.320 I mean some you know. 0:58:03.560 --> 0:58:05.760 Germany where you playing Like how many people are you 0:58:05.760 --> 0:58:08.160 playing to in for Germany? 0:58:08.400 --> 0:58:10.400 Like two thousand or five? 0:58:10.480 --> 0:58:13.360 You know maybe maybe I don't know, five to to 0:58:13.400 --> 0:58:17.520 five somewhere that we bounce around like Portugal. They like 0:58:17.640 --> 0:58:21.040 us there, so we do a little more. Right, we 0:58:21.080 --> 0:58:22.880 do a little more, We get a little more action 0:58:22.960 --> 0:58:26.480 in Portugal and Spain we do alright, the UK is 0:58:26.480 --> 0:58:28.120 a little bigger, but then you know, once we get 0:58:28.280 --> 0:58:30.600 but then it's a different it's very the vibe is 0:58:30.720 --> 0:58:34.240 it's so much fun to play to, you know, a 0:58:34.240 --> 0:58:36.640 different audience, an audience that we don't get to play 0:58:36.680 --> 0:58:38.400 in front of very much, you know, because we had 0:58:38.400 --> 0:58:40.840 this funny thing in the States that that you know, 0:58:40.880 --> 0:58:43.760 we kind of came up. You know, even though we 0:58:43.800 --> 0:58:46.960 have this we we've been lucky at times more than 0:58:47.000 --> 0:58:51.480 others to sell out big places, we still kind of 0:58:51.520 --> 0:58:55.360 came up this way from our shows and sort of 0:58:55.400 --> 0:58:59.200 word of mouth, and so that we haven't had that 0:58:59.240 --> 0:59:02.920 opportunity as much in other places. And so our audience 0:59:03.000 --> 0:59:06.720 is sort of similar, but a little more excited about 0:59:06.880 --> 0:59:11.840 listening to us in other parts of the world than 0:59:11.920 --> 0:59:12.560 it States. 0:59:12.760 --> 0:59:17.280 How can you plan a tour in which every territory 0:59:17.760 --> 0:59:22.960 varies in size and I know that at your peak, 0:59:23.120 --> 0:59:28.120 your maximum, you guys are fully operational, like you know, 0:59:29.800 --> 0:59:31.400 thirteen fourteen. 0:59:32.640 --> 0:59:33.760 Eighteen wheeler truck. 0:59:34.560 --> 0:59:39.640 Maybe I would assume at seven to ten tour bus 0:59:39.760 --> 0:59:43.919 or private plane operation like But then you're saying that, 0:59:44.080 --> 0:59:48.840 like if you go to Glasgow, Scotland or something, then 0:59:48.880 --> 0:59:51.640 you might have to small scale it. So how do 0:59:51.680 --> 0:59:54.479 you route and plan that out where some places you're 0:59:55.400 --> 0:59:55.720 you can. 0:59:55.600 --> 0:59:56.560 Play ninety thousand. 0:59:57.120 --> 0:59:59.160 I guess we do them separate. So you know, we're 0:59:59.200 --> 1:00:02.480 gonna go to Europe in the spring, and so then 1:00:02.520 --> 1:00:04.440 we'll think of it, like what can we do And 1:00:05.000 --> 1:00:08.800 you know, Fennu designs our stages and uh and uh 1:00:08.960 --> 1:00:11.080 does our lights and has for a long time, but 1:00:11.440 --> 1:00:14.760 you know, since like the first year that we were together. 1:00:14.840 --> 1:00:18.640 But so like then he'll design a stage for for 1:00:18.840 --> 1:00:21.000 if we're in Europe and we'll be much and you know, 1:00:21.080 --> 1:00:23.640 and and then our we'll take our core crew. We 1:00:23.680 --> 1:00:25.760 won't need the biggest So it's just like a you know, 1:00:25.880 --> 1:00:29.560 logistical change and and a lot of it's it's not 1:00:29.720 --> 1:00:31.760 And thank god it has nothing to do with me, 1:00:32.040 --> 1:00:34.360 because that would be a shit show. I love playing 1:00:34.400 --> 1:00:36.800 in the smaller, different venues. We were down in Mexico, 1:00:37.640 --> 1:00:41.640 you know, Mexico City, a few places at the beginning 1:00:41.640 --> 1:00:43.880 of the tour, and it's so much fun to play 1:00:45.040 --> 1:00:48.000 in places we don't go all the time. And uh, 1:00:49.160 --> 1:00:51.680 you know, it's one thing to play in cancuon where 1:00:51.720 --> 1:00:53.720 it'll probably all be Americans. 1:00:53.760 --> 1:00:55.320 But if you go to Mexico City or. 1:00:56.000 --> 1:00:59.080 Monterey or Guadalajara or whatever, then it's the audience is 1:00:59.120 --> 1:01:03.000 all Mexican people and it and it's just it's so 1:01:03.080 --> 1:01:06.320 much fun to play for a really different audience. And 1:01:06.400 --> 1:01:09.760 when we were down there, we had like a week 1:01:09.880 --> 1:01:12.320 or so, maybe a little more than that somewhere around 1:01:12.360 --> 1:01:16.280 there when we were just all rehearsing together and that 1:01:16.400 --> 1:01:19.480 was that was fun. Actually, I think a lot hopefully 1:01:20.720 --> 1:01:23.160 some new music will come out of that. I think 1:01:23.160 --> 1:01:25.840 it's very fortunate, especially now. I mean there's ups and downs, right, 1:01:25.880 --> 1:01:28.080 but the way the band is right now, I feel 1:01:28.080 --> 1:01:32.640 like it's as much fun playing with these guys as 1:01:32.640 --> 1:01:33.320 I've ever had. 1:01:33.800 --> 1:01:36.520 So, you know, I was gonna ask about that, like 1:01:36.560 --> 1:01:38.920 the band has morphed so much in the past, I 1:01:38.920 --> 1:01:42.920 don't know ten years, Like how do you where do 1:01:42.960 --> 1:01:44.560 you find the happiness and where do you find the 1:01:44.640 --> 1:01:45.000 right thing? 1:01:45.360 --> 1:01:48.360 Yeah, and adjusting I'm gonna add that to your question, Bill, 1:01:48.520 --> 1:01:52.040 Like and adjusting to life after LeRoy's transition. 1:01:52.280 --> 1:01:53.800 Yeah, Like how do. 1:01:53.760 --> 1:01:58.480 You Roy was like Roy and Carter Roy is like 1:01:58.480 --> 1:02:01.760 the first person that I it's like, you know, you 1:02:01.760 --> 1:02:04.040 don't have better friends than him. He's difficult friend, but 1:02:04.080 --> 1:02:07.120 you don't, you know, And and musically he's just there's 1:02:08.200 --> 1:02:10.480 no one like him. He is so unique. And Jeff 1:02:10.480 --> 1:02:13.120 Coffin put it beautifully. One one who plays sacks with 1:02:13.200 --> 1:02:17.760 us now. But but Jeff said, what Roy had and 1:02:18.160 --> 1:02:21.120 didn't realize much of the time was he had his 1:02:21.160 --> 1:02:26.640 own voice. And that's like what every horn player dreams about. 1:02:26.720 --> 1:02:28.600 And and it's true, like Roy just had this. Like 1:02:28.720 --> 1:02:31.520 I get to hear a recording, like just to hear 1:02:31.560 --> 1:02:33.919 one note and it just and it just like Roy, 1:02:34.080 --> 1:02:37.640 just the memory of him. But I think, you know, 1:02:37.800 --> 1:02:41.240 so we go we really miss him, but you know, 1:02:41.400 --> 1:02:44.439 and you go, you go up and down. But right now, 1:02:44.480 --> 1:02:46.480 the way the band is, you know, there's lots of 1:02:46.520 --> 1:02:52.320 gratitude and you know, because you know, we still we're 1:02:52.360 --> 1:02:57.080 still paying for our own toothpaste and so so that's 1:02:57.200 --> 1:03:00.800 good and we're living, uh, living well, and it seems 1:03:00.840 --> 1:03:04.760 like the audiences are still enjoying it. So you know, 1:03:04.920 --> 1:03:07.120 this is this it feels like right now, the last 1:03:07.120 --> 1:03:11.160 five years or so, it's been a really good, a 1:03:11.200 --> 1:03:14.120 really good period for us. I really feel grateful about it. 1:03:14.160 --> 1:03:17.720 I also love playing, you know, by myself. I also 1:03:17.760 --> 1:03:20.720 love playing with just me and Tim. I don't know. 1:03:20.800 --> 1:03:24.120 Any opportunity to the change is good too, you. 1:03:24.160 --> 1:03:25.280 Know, to scale down. 1:03:25.320 --> 1:03:29.240 Okay, I'm thinking of life with Steve and Jonas back 1:03:29.280 --> 1:03:30.400 when we were in the house together. 1:03:31.360 --> 1:03:33.000 Oh God, memories. 1:03:33.920 --> 1:03:41.680 They Yeah, peanut butter in the fridge or outside the fridge. 1:03:41.280 --> 1:03:45.440 Outside the fridge, outside the fridge, agreed after it's open. 1:03:46.080 --> 1:03:47.960 Yeah, yes, always always. 1:03:48.240 --> 1:03:50.040 Y'all probably do the same thing with ketchup and musta. 1:03:50.120 --> 1:03:52.280 Y'all lead that outside defrigerator, but you. 1:03:52.440 --> 1:03:55.520 Lead peanut butter inside the fridge. 1:03:56.040 --> 1:03:56.600 You opened it. 1:03:56.720 --> 1:03:59.080 Yeah, anything that's open should go in the fridge. 1:03:59.080 --> 1:03:59.920 That's what y'all don't read. 1:04:00.160 --> 1:04:03.280 Label. I don't read if you're going to leave on 1:04:03.360 --> 1:04:08.480 the shelf for a couple of months, maybe, yeah, but 1:04:08.480 --> 1:04:10.680 but I you know, we go through our peanut butter. 1:04:11.320 --> 1:04:13.960 It's just it's a and and we get the you know, 1:04:14.000 --> 1:04:16.440 we get the crunchy, all natural. But I think it's 1:04:16.480 --> 1:04:19.880 the same with the other ones. It turns into it's 1:04:19.920 --> 1:04:21.000 it's impossible. 1:04:21.600 --> 1:04:26.640 It's like spread crigerator. 1:04:25.120 --> 1:04:26.880 By the fridge, so you have to take it out 1:04:26.880 --> 1:04:28.919 and leave it there anywhere, George. 1:04:29.880 --> 1:04:32.200 If we're really going to ask questions this random I got, 1:04:32.240 --> 1:04:33.720 I got a few questions in my own. 1:04:36.640 --> 1:04:38.400 So dogic it his head. 1:04:38.400 --> 1:04:41.280 Here we go. My first random question is there's a 1:04:41.280 --> 1:04:43.880 famous piano player slash a ranger that did a lot 1:04:43.920 --> 1:04:46.200 of work on my favorite jazz label called CTI. His 1:04:46.320 --> 1:04:49.240 name is David Matthews. He's been heavily sampled as well, 1:04:49.320 --> 1:04:51.360 so of course I might know who he is. And 1:04:51.440 --> 1:04:54.080 I was just wondering if, because of the name, did 1:04:54.080 --> 1:04:56.480 you ever meet him or crossover with him, or have 1:04:56.520 --> 1:04:59.320 publishing issues with him in any way because or have 1:04:59.400 --> 1:05:00.760 you ever heard of David. 1:05:00.560 --> 1:05:03.880 Matth And we've had some but but it's been more 1:05:03.960 --> 1:05:07.760 amusing than anything I think there was. I think once 1:05:07.800 --> 1:05:10.600 he we we ran into each other in and I 1:05:10.600 --> 1:05:13.440 do know him, but I think he may have come 1:05:13.800 --> 1:05:15.560 he had to call the I R S And say 1:05:16.080 --> 1:05:20.120 this is definitely not mine, not. 1:05:21.840 --> 1:05:26.480 Mine, mistake, oh wow, his estimates it's got blown. 1:05:26.240 --> 1:05:26.800 Up by day. 1:05:27.000 --> 1:05:29.760 I think it may have been like no, no, no, no. 1:05:29.840 --> 1:05:32.160 That's the other guy that sounds sounds a little like 1:05:32.240 --> 1:05:36.600 Kermit the Frog, and he doesn't do any arrangements Okay, 1:05:37.480 --> 1:05:42.960 we had an amusing exchange in an airport. Okay, did 1:05:43.040 --> 1:05:44.400 it a buck of arranging too? 1:05:44.480 --> 1:05:47.000 Right? Yeah, yeah, I think he's most known for his 1:05:47.000 --> 1:05:51.800 his arrangement ranging. So I have a second random question. 1:05:52.160 --> 1:05:55.080 Do you remember being at Electric Ladies studios in the 1:05:55.120 --> 1:05:58.840 late nineties must have been ninety seven, ninety eight, some 1:05:59.160 --> 1:06:05.200 ninety nine maybe and smoking a joint with D'Angelo? Yes, 1:06:06.240 --> 1:06:08.080 with two other random guys. I was one of the 1:06:08.120 --> 1:06:08.880 other random. 1:06:11.480 --> 1:06:14.120 To forget and I didn't know about this, No, but 1:06:14.240 --> 1:06:18.800 listen it before you down. So then so now i'm 1:06:19.560 --> 1:06:21.960 you know, I'm excited first of all to be uh 1:06:22.240 --> 1:06:25.680 visiting d Angelo in the studio, but now I'm fucking 1:06:25.920 --> 1:06:31.280 so fucking high. And then that's which is fine, that's fine, 1:06:32.240 --> 1:06:37.600 And he turns on he starts playing the most insane 1:06:37.760 --> 1:06:39.960 you'll agree with me, right, I mean the music was 1:06:40.040 --> 1:06:42.960 so beautiful, was so insane. I mean, I hadn't heard 1:06:42.960 --> 1:06:45.560 any of it, so maybe you've been, you know, going 1:06:45.880 --> 1:06:49.960 listening to it again. But it was like early but 1:06:50.040 --> 1:06:51.960 it was, but it was not what I heard. 1:06:52.160 --> 1:06:54.960 I mean maybe it took us four years to make 1:06:55.000 --> 1:06:55.400 that record. 1:06:55.480 --> 1:07:00.920 Yes, I'm telling you it was so Then the music 1:07:00.920 --> 1:07:03.240 he played. I left, like you know, you know when 1:07:03.280 --> 1:07:07.640 you experienced something when it's so beautiful that you know 1:07:07.680 --> 1:07:11.040 you're partly inspired, and then you're also just like what 1:07:11.160 --> 1:07:15.320 am I? What am I doing? Wow? What am I doing? 1:07:15.360 --> 1:07:15.880 I should? 1:07:16.160 --> 1:07:20.120 I need to just go back yourself the rock where 1:07:20.160 --> 1:07:23.360 I where I you came from? And the fuck up? 1:07:23.720 --> 1:07:26.480 Yeah, maketure raise your game is what it does when 1:07:26.480 --> 1:07:28.400 you hear music, because. 1:07:28.120 --> 1:07:31.280 It's like you sort of see possibilities. It was Yeah, 1:07:31.440 --> 1:07:34.919 that was absolutely Remember it was so exciting. The root. 1:07:35.080 --> 1:07:36.600 Yeah, I think it was the song of the route. 1:07:37.120 --> 1:07:37.800 That's a good one. 1:07:38.080 --> 1:07:40.320 The reason weren't you weren't there? This was like after 1:07:40.840 --> 1:07:43.600 this was like vocals, vocal sessions that just went on 1:07:43.680 --> 1:07:45.120 for a year. So you want to know that. 1:07:45.320 --> 1:07:49.040 But tell me, how does Dave Matthews wind up at Electric? 1:07:49.320 --> 1:07:49.960 Just shows up? 1:07:50.200 --> 1:07:52.840 Well, that's that's my no, that's my actual question is 1:07:52.880 --> 1:07:54.840 what album were you working on? Because you were there 1:07:54.880 --> 1:07:57.360 for a session. Well, believe I. 1:07:57.360 --> 1:08:00.360 Wonder because I've done a few different things. 1:08:01.080 --> 1:08:02.840 I think you were your own. I think you were 1:08:02.840 --> 1:08:03.840 down in the b room. 1:08:04.200 --> 1:08:08.560 Could we have been doing the Santana Uh oh yeah, yeah, 1:08:08.680 --> 1:08:11.439 he might which I've which I I have to tell 1:08:11.480 --> 1:08:13.320 you we planned that. 1:08:13.280 --> 1:08:13.840 For a long time. 1:08:13.880 --> 1:08:19.160 I have to say, my son, uh put on the 1:08:19.160 --> 1:08:22.720 song that I sang on that Santana record, and then 1:08:22.760 --> 1:08:24.120 I hadn't heard it a long time, and I have 1:08:24.200 --> 1:08:26.920 to say, I'm not sure what was wrong with me. 1:08:29.240 --> 1:08:31.200 I was, I was a little soft on that song. 1:08:31.880 --> 1:08:33.280 Kind of irritates me when I hear it. I'm a 1:08:33.280 --> 1:08:35.400 little soft, I'm a little like, I don't know, I'm 1:08:35.400 --> 1:08:42.120 a little airy a little bit. I mean, it's even 1:08:42.160 --> 1:08:44.560 it's like Kermit the Frog, like we really. 1:08:44.400 --> 1:08:46.960 Tired, none of us like, oh we do ten years 1:08:46.960 --> 1:08:47.720 twenty years ago. 1:08:47.840 --> 1:08:49.799 Ever on Santana Robbers. 1:08:50.400 --> 1:08:53.760 My son and I was, he's been getting into some 1:08:53.800 --> 1:08:56.439 Santana and he listened to that and he goes, he goes, 1:08:57.240 --> 1:08:59.960 it's it's I said, oh, I sound terrible, and he goes. 1:09:00.200 --> 1:09:05.479 My son off, He confronted by going, it's not your best, dad, he's. 1:09:05.320 --> 1:09:07.960 The best, he's the best. 1:09:07.720 --> 1:09:08.400 August. 1:09:08.520 --> 1:09:11.000 August is like, takes you right to the right, right 1:09:11.040 --> 1:09:11.400 to your heart. 1:09:11.479 --> 1:09:21.280 Huh yeah, he said, it's not your best. 1:09:18.640 --> 1:09:23.400 Speaking of Santana. Okay, so where did you get the idea? 1:09:23.600 --> 1:09:26.200 So the thing is is that we're doing our first 1:09:26.240 --> 1:09:29.840 stadium show, and you know, the stadium holds like seventy 1:09:29.920 --> 1:09:33.080 thousand people, but I think an accumulation of it because 1:09:33.120 --> 1:09:36.400 we're the opening act. It's the Roots, Santana and then 1:09:36.479 --> 1:09:41.400 Dave Matthew's band, and you know there there might be 1:09:41.439 --> 1:09:42.920 there might be five thousand people. 1:09:43.560 --> 1:09:47.360 Now, I just came from an arena show last week. 1:09:47.360 --> 1:09:50.599 I went, I went to Witness or what I call 1:09:50.680 --> 1:09:56.360 Swiftville or and no, no, no, it was something to behold, 1:09:56.479 --> 1:09:57.800 especially as an outsider. 1:09:58.320 --> 1:09:59.400 Yeah it was. 1:09:59.520 --> 1:10:01.360 It was something to be whole. But the thing is 1:10:01.360 --> 1:10:01.719 is that. 1:10:01.880 --> 1:10:03.519 A lot of people who I know, a lot of 1:10:03.600 --> 1:10:07.360 kids who went down to that, you know, yeah, just 1:10:07.600 --> 1:10:10.040 friends of friends and said we're going to Pittsburgh. 1:10:10.360 --> 1:10:14.320 So the town was so packed. I had to get 1:10:14.320 --> 1:10:20.559 a hotel in Cleveland, Ohio. Like, anywhere she goes, she's 1:10:20.600 --> 1:10:23.559 going to bring at least at least two billion dollars 1:10:23.560 --> 1:10:27.479 worth of business. So I want to science study just 1:10:27.520 --> 1:10:30.240 on that alone. But my whole point was that, so 1:10:31.320 --> 1:10:33.479 you know, we're about to go out on stage and 1:10:33.520 --> 1:10:36.160 then you come and you're like, I'm going to introduce 1:10:36.200 --> 1:10:39.040 you guys, and I'm like, wait a minute, this doesn't 1:10:39.040 --> 1:10:42.559 happen that the opening, the headliner of the place isn't 1:10:42.560 --> 1:10:45.519 supposed to come out, you know, the bride's not supposed 1:10:45.520 --> 1:10:48.680 to see the groom on the wedding day. And you 1:10:48.840 --> 1:10:53.599 came out and it was as if the audience knows 1:10:53.640 --> 1:10:59.479 that you do that, because instantly, like within ten seconds, 1:10:59.479 --> 1:11:06.720 that shit into like fourteen thousand people, and you not 1:11:06.760 --> 1:11:10.800 only introduced us, but then you stood on stage and 1:11:10.840 --> 1:11:14.320 watched us because you knew that your fan base would 1:11:14.360 --> 1:11:19.800 come from their tailgate parties outside to watch you watch us. 1:11:20.439 --> 1:11:21.880 So where where did you. 1:11:21.840 --> 1:11:25.000 Get that idea from? Because that's that's you didn't have 1:11:25.080 --> 1:11:28.920 to do that. But where did you get that idea from? 1:11:28.920 --> 1:11:31.639 Well, you know, it's probably pretty simple. 1:11:31.680 --> 1:11:35.920 So I I had a few, you know experiences of 1:11:35.920 --> 1:11:37.479 when we were coming up. You know, we had a 1:11:37.520 --> 1:11:40.799 few experiences where where you know, the where the audience 1:11:40.920 --> 1:11:45.200 was coming for the main life, right, and and and 1:11:45.280 --> 1:11:47.479 so and that was always it was. It was quite 1:11:47.479 --> 1:11:50.280 often it was humbling, and sometimes it was sometimes things 1:11:50.280 --> 1:11:50.920 turned out well. 1:11:51.000 --> 1:11:52.200 I mean we had a great time. 1:11:52.240 --> 1:11:54.960 We opened up for the Dead one time in Vegas, 1:11:55.000 --> 1:11:58.920 and and and everyone had warned us that the dead 1:11:58.960 --> 1:12:04.599 audience is not into the opening act man. And then 1:12:04.640 --> 1:12:07.920 the funniest thing is they loved us, which maybe says 1:12:07.960 --> 1:12:10.080 something about us. They were all they were all dancing 1:12:10.120 --> 1:12:13.240 and spinning around, they having a blast. But but it 1:12:13.280 --> 1:12:16.320 wasn't always like that. And I but I remember one 1:12:16.360 --> 1:12:21.400 specific time it was I think Carter and I went 1:12:22.840 --> 1:12:26.960 to I think we were actually playing between this uh 1:12:27.600 --> 1:12:30.960 blues Traveler had two sets. They were playing two sets, 1:12:31.000 --> 1:12:35.760 and we were playing between them. Oh wow, and there's 1:12:35.800 --> 1:12:40.200 these two dudes right in front of me in the audience, 1:12:40.880 --> 1:12:43.040 and so my monitors there, and then there's these two 1:12:43.240 --> 1:12:47.800 dudes and they were just at the top of their lungs. 1:12:48.520 --> 1:12:51.840 They were screaming like essentially. 1:12:51.360 --> 1:12:59.400 Like fuck you, you fucking suck fuck And it was like. 1:12:59.360 --> 1:13:02.680 They would have taken a break anyway. They were so 1:13:03.000 --> 1:13:05.120 furious and they didn't start. 1:13:05.160 --> 1:13:06.000 They were relentless. 1:13:06.000 --> 1:13:08.360 And then I kept like, it's I could I could barely. 1:13:08.400 --> 1:13:10.880 I mean, that's all I hear. And then I kept 1:13:10.880 --> 1:13:12.680 turning around to Carter because he's, you know, he's a 1:13:12.840 --> 1:13:16.320 he's a great drummer, but he's also quite often my therapist. 1:13:16.560 --> 1:13:20.000 And I'm like, these dudes are these guys are really 1:13:20.000 --> 1:13:22.360 fucking wearing me out, and Carter's like, just play the 1:13:22.400 --> 1:13:26.800 fucking song because they were wearing it d We had 1:13:26.800 --> 1:13:28.639 a few, but I always remember that, and I always 1:13:28.640 --> 1:13:33.160 remembered like, like I wanted to say, they invited us 1:13:33.240 --> 1:13:35.639 to come and play in between their fucking set, right 1:13:35.680 --> 1:13:39.240 and right right, So I guess that that was the 1:13:39.240 --> 1:13:44.680 The motivation was just that, like I was really excited 1:13:45.280 --> 1:13:48.479 that you guys were opening the start of the show, like, 1:13:48.520 --> 1:13:51.280 so I was I want to make sure that the 1:13:51.680 --> 1:13:54.920 that they'll you know, like it's the whole show, right, 1:13:55.000 --> 1:13:56.840 So that's how I felt about it. 1:13:56.840 --> 1:13:57.519 It was the same. 1:13:58.000 --> 1:14:00.639 It was selfish, all right, So second I can check it. 1:14:00.760 --> 1:14:04.280 You just reminded me of one of the most hilarious 1:14:04.320 --> 1:14:09.280 moments opening for you. Okay, so we did Philadelphia with 1:14:09.320 --> 1:14:14.760 you first, then we did aforementioned giant in New York 1:14:15.000 --> 1:14:18.960 where you know I had to fire oh yeah, and 1:14:19.000 --> 1:14:22.840 then and then okay, so we get to Boston, right, 1:14:24.400 --> 1:14:28.200 and now we're kind of feeling ourselves like, Okay, this 1:14:28.320 --> 1:14:32.559 is not intimidating. We got this, you know, because even 1:14:32.600 --> 1:14:36.040 we were you know, we just started going to the 1:14:36.080 --> 1:14:38.320 next level. So this is all very new to us. 1:14:38.360 --> 1:14:42.120 So this is this is some Daddy Warbucks meets Annie 1:14:42.160 --> 1:14:45.760 sort of like experience for us where it's like, all right, 1:14:45.800 --> 1:14:49.000 So then we get to the first song, right, we 1:14:49.040 --> 1:14:51.680 get to the first song, and already this is the 1:14:51.720 --> 1:14:54.280 first day. This is the first day that we have 1:14:54.520 --> 1:14:57.920 the new implemented communication mics. 1:14:57.920 --> 1:14:58.479 That we saw. 1:14:58.520 --> 1:15:02.720 You guys have him right, So I'm realizing that we 1:15:02.760 --> 1:15:08.000 can play do background vocals and crack jokes and you know, 1:15:08.560 --> 1:15:11.960 so we're in our zone. And then the whole audience 1:15:12.120 --> 1:15:20.280 was like saying like and you know, by the time 1:15:20.320 --> 1:15:22.280 we got the song three, I was like. 1:15:22.600 --> 1:15:24.960 Yo, we are killing shit. Yo. 1:15:26.439 --> 1:15:32.720 I was like, Yo, dude, fucking Dave Matthews Mike kick 1:15:32.760 --> 1:15:34.599 us off the tour for kicking his ass so much. 1:15:34.840 --> 1:15:41.880 We we are fucking killing in the right I said, Yo, 1:15:41.880 --> 1:15:44.640 we're fucking killing shit, y'all. Let's keep it up. And 1:15:44.680 --> 1:15:50.719 the monitor guy was like, actually, guys, they're saying Yankee suck, 1:15:51.200 --> 1:15:57.600 Yankee suck. And I was like, wait, what, what what 1:15:57.640 --> 1:16:01.800 are you talking about. He's like, uh, he has a 1:16:01.880 --> 1:16:02.759 Yankees cap. 1:16:02.600 --> 1:16:05.600 On and we. 1:16:11.160 --> 1:16:14.360 From Philly anyway. 1:16:15.000 --> 1:16:18.960 But that's the thing too, Trek is not he's not 1:16:19.000 --> 1:16:21.519 a sports guy. He was just matching his outfit and no, 1:16:22.600 --> 1:16:27.200 and like, but this was also in two thousand and four, 1:16:27.520 --> 1:16:34.120 where oh yeahousand and four, we're Boston ass right, So 1:16:35.240 --> 1:16:36.160 oh my god. 1:16:36.000 --> 1:16:39.040 We thought that's a pretty good that's a pretty good 1:16:39.080 --> 1:16:39.719 story that. 1:16:39.920 --> 1:16:41.320 We thought he was killing it. 1:16:41.439 --> 1:16:48.800 And then and then and then suddenly the audience was like, yes. 1:16:47.800 --> 1:16:49.320 Now throw it, now throw it. 1:16:50.479 --> 1:16:54.200 No he did literally, and then Trek was like, yo, 1:16:54.400 --> 1:16:56.719 I'm sorry, y'all. I was just color coordinating my outfit, 1:16:56.840 --> 1:16:58.960 like I didn't meant any fence, and he threw it, 1:16:59.360 --> 1:17:01.160 and they just, you know. 1:17:02.280 --> 1:17:04.719 Quick music questions as we on this, because Amir always 1:17:04.720 --> 1:17:08.120 talks about Dave Matthews band and the Dead and BC 1:17:08.240 --> 1:17:12.120 Boys kind of being his blueprint as far as the 1:17:12.160 --> 1:17:14.320 structure of what they did and shows and stuff. Dave, 1:17:14.400 --> 1:17:17.120 when you were creating your band, was there other bands 1:17:17.120 --> 1:17:19.160 that you looked at in that way, like from a 1:17:19.160 --> 1:17:22.519 business structure or from just touring anything new you were. 1:17:22.400 --> 1:17:24.960 Like, this is what we're aiming towards. 1:17:25.360 --> 1:17:28.719 I was. I have to say that I was going 1:17:28.840 --> 1:17:33.640 pretty blindly, and it was really you know, I was 1:17:33.960 --> 1:17:38.479 really excited about playing in a band, you know, and 1:17:38.520 --> 1:17:41.960 I was really excited about Leroy and Carter and Stefan. 1:17:42.080 --> 1:17:45.080 I was just it was just like a there was 1:17:45.200 --> 1:17:50.040 there was something that was happening that was was was exciting, 1:17:50.080 --> 1:17:54.000 you know, like playing this one gig where it was 1:17:54.040 --> 1:17:57.000 like I think it was Earth Day and it was 1:17:57.040 --> 1:17:59.000 one of our earliest gigs, and we were supposed to 1:17:59.080 --> 1:18:04.120 go on like second or first, and then the band 1:18:04.160 --> 1:18:06.200 that was supposed to go on after us said hey, 1:18:06.240 --> 1:18:08.639 could you go? We got another gig and so could 1:18:08.680 --> 1:18:12.519 you go uh later, and we'll We're like okay, And 1:18:12.560 --> 1:18:15.200 that happened over and over again until we were I 1:18:15.240 --> 1:18:18.439 think we were the last band to go on. And 1:18:18.479 --> 1:18:20.320 it was an evening show and it was on a 1:18:20.479 --> 1:18:25.240 mall and and I remember when we got up to play, 1:18:25.360 --> 1:18:28.360 nobody knew who we were. We didn't even know who 1:18:28.360 --> 1:18:32.120 we were. And then you know, there's probably of the 1:18:32.520 --> 1:18:34.479 maybe there was a thousand people there at one point, 1:18:34.520 --> 1:18:36.559 but when we went up there there was one hundred 1:18:36.560 --> 1:18:40.919 people or something. And but boy went cart when we started, 1:18:42.040 --> 1:18:44.720 they all got up and they all started dancing, and 1:18:44.760 --> 1:18:47.439 so it was like this funny moment of like we're 1:18:47.520 --> 1:18:50.360 just something, we got something going on, and that sort 1:18:50.400 --> 1:18:56.280 of round Shawsville and then you know, we started, you know, 1:18:56.720 --> 1:18:58.479 got a couple of odd gigs here and there, and 1:18:58.520 --> 1:19:00.600 they didn't always work out, but there was something that 1:19:00.680 --> 1:19:02.800 pulled us. And I think, you know, it was meeting 1:19:02.880 --> 1:19:06.840 the right people who had had ideas about how we 1:19:06.880 --> 1:19:09.040 could get up in front of more people, and you know, 1:19:09.120 --> 1:19:11.960 it's starting to play in universities and and the words 1:19:11.960 --> 1:19:14.160 started started going around. I think the fact that we 1:19:14.200 --> 1:19:17.920 didn't have a lot of music and we improvised and 1:19:17.920 --> 1:19:19.880 and we had to make shit up and and so 1:19:19.960 --> 1:19:23.640 the shows were varied and different. Like I think that 1:19:24.439 --> 1:19:26.760 I remember there was a lot of colleges when we 1:19:26.840 --> 1:19:30.320 played that where people, do you know, any replacements, And 1:19:30.439 --> 1:19:35.519 we'd be like, no, no, you guys suck. 1:19:35.880 --> 1:19:43.960 You know, so you're telling me that your your college 1:19:44.000 --> 1:19:48.280 presence was based on filling in for other acts, because 1:19:48.320 --> 1:19:48.880 that's how. 1:19:48.760 --> 1:19:49.400 We came up. 1:19:50.640 --> 1:19:53.559 And it wasn't it was eventually it wasn't that. I mean, 1:19:53.560 --> 1:19:56.040 it was like but I mean we went from like 1:19:56.120 --> 1:19:59.880 sometimes being accepted because somebody in a college liked us, 1:20:00.320 --> 1:20:04.880 to like sort of like colleges where we'd go to 1:20:04.920 --> 1:20:07.839 places we'd never played before and everyone to be singing 1:20:07.880 --> 1:20:10.439 our and we didn't have any music out and everyone to. 1:20:10.400 --> 1:20:12.360 Be singing along. It got really it. 1:20:12.680 --> 1:20:14.640 We got this little cult thing in the in the 1:20:15.479 --> 1:20:17.800 in the universities that was kind of crazy, you know. 1:20:17.840 --> 1:20:20.320 I remember we went up to we we had this 1:20:20.439 --> 1:20:23.800 nightmare where we drove over these snowy mountains. We were 1:20:23.800 --> 1:20:25.680 supposed to go around the mountains because it was the 1:20:25.680 --> 1:20:28.200 middle of winter in Maine and it, but we didn't. 1:20:28.200 --> 1:20:30.479 Nobody they sent us the wrong instructions and we went 1:20:30.520 --> 1:20:32.560 over the top and it was a nightmare. We we 1:20:32.920 --> 1:20:35.960 would slid down a mountain in a van with a trailer, 1:20:36.479 --> 1:20:39.200 and we got there. We were pretty we were pretty hot, 1:20:39.360 --> 1:20:41.519 and we were and we were two hours late. They 1:20:41.520 --> 1:20:44.040 were like you're late, and you know, we're like, fuck you. 1:20:46.040 --> 1:20:49.240 Then when we got on stage and we started playing, 1:20:49.920 --> 1:20:52.320 the crowd was really excited and they were a priority, 1:20:53.200 --> 1:20:56.519 you know, wasted, but they all started singing all the 1:20:56.600 --> 1:20:58.840 music so loud, all the songs to us, and so 1:20:58.880 --> 1:21:01.080 it was kind of like, just what the hell's happening. 1:21:01.120 --> 1:21:02.320 We haven't even been here. 1:21:02.479 --> 1:21:05.840 We never amount what year was the sea change for you, 1:21:05.880 --> 1:21:08.479 like what year was the year in which and how 1:21:08.560 --> 1:21:11.000 attimidating was it to like wait a minute, What do 1:21:11.040 --> 1:21:12.720 you mean we could play stadiums now like. 1:21:13.280 --> 1:21:16.120 I mean, I remember getting to the one of the 1:21:16.120 --> 1:21:18.680 guys who worked with us, one of our A and 1:21:18.800 --> 1:21:22.280 R guys, when we played before we had put out 1:21:22.280 --> 1:21:23.760 an album or anything, but we were going to put 1:21:23.760 --> 1:21:26.000 out an album and we were playing like Irving Plaza, 1:21:27.000 --> 1:21:29.720 I think, and it was packed and the and the 1:21:29.720 --> 1:21:32.760 head of our record company said how much money did 1:21:32.800 --> 1:21:34.439 we have to pay to get all these people here? 1:21:35.120 --> 1:21:38.320 And you know, so much. It was so disconnected sort 1:21:38.360 --> 1:21:41.800 of the record industry where we were was just that 1:21:41.800 --> 1:21:43.640 they had nothing. He couldn't even need it him and 1:21:44.160 --> 1:21:48.080 like he had barely heard of us, and so you know, 1:21:49.000 --> 1:21:51.360 it was it was a funny. We were almost like 1:21:51.479 --> 1:21:54.760 chasing in a funny way. We were working hard, but 1:21:54.800 --> 1:21:57.640 we were like chasing our chasing the audience in a 1:21:57.640 --> 1:22:00.439 funny way. We weren't, but they were chase sing us. 1:22:00.439 --> 1:22:02.559 I don't know what the right analogy would be. 1:22:03.200 --> 1:22:05.360 Yeah, it seems like it's a small amount of groups 1:22:05.400 --> 1:22:08.639 in this world that have existed that have a following 1:22:08.920 --> 1:22:11.559 in common like you, Like I was just talking to 1:22:11.800 --> 1:22:13.800 I have a high school girlfriend. As long as y'all 1:22:13.800 --> 1:22:16.240 have been out her and another girlfriend have been following 1:22:16.280 --> 1:22:18.640 you guys, and they've done like up the coast. They 1:22:18.680 --> 1:22:20.240 started at the top and they've gone down. These are 1:22:20.240 --> 1:22:22.840 black girls, which is also kind of really dope too 1:22:22.880 --> 1:22:25.120 because they say they see each other at Dave Matthew show. 1:22:25.160 --> 1:22:27.559 This's like, that's a whole nother contingency of like black 1:22:27.600 --> 1:22:28.639 people who were like. 1:22:28.800 --> 1:22:33.120 Really literally physically follow you. Yeah, it's really really Four. 1:22:33.000 --> 1:22:36.560 Of my staff members are like true Dave heads and shouts. 1:22:36.280 --> 1:22:37.679 To kandas Bobo and sing of parents. 1:22:37.720 --> 1:22:40.719 They wanted me to say their names in this episode. 1:22:40.960 --> 1:22:44.120 I question, in the thirty years of touring and whatever, 1:22:44.280 --> 1:22:47.720 what's the best thing you've seen from the stage that 1:22:47.840 --> 1:22:51.719 you say on the microphone back to Carter just laughed 1:22:51.720 --> 1:22:54.040 from the band, what's the best thing? 1:22:55.400 --> 1:22:58.920 All I can think about is uh is is teddy? 1:22:59.479 --> 1:22:59.760 It is? 1:23:04.160 --> 1:23:07.679 You know, and it was you know, there's definitely definitely 1:23:07.760 --> 1:23:10.400 jazz Fest. It seems like jazz Fest. 1:23:10.520 --> 1:23:18.680 There's Yes, you think I will say something that's funny 1:23:18.520 --> 1:23:21.719 that if you just if you just look a little further, 1:23:22.240 --> 1:23:24.920 like because usually it's on someone's shoulders. 1:23:25.600 --> 1:23:31.519 Yes, So I think it's funny when the person that's 1:23:31.520 --> 1:23:35.960 carrying the person that has the titties doesn't know. 1:23:37.400 --> 1:23:38.920 That that are out. 1:23:40.520 --> 1:23:42.760 And may not know, but when they sometimes when they 1:23:42.760 --> 1:23:45.920 find out, there's a sort of like suddenly there's people 1:23:46.520 --> 1:23:49.160 and then everyone's excited and that. But so that there's 1:23:49.240 --> 1:23:52.439 there's a there's a different there's different nuance, there's it's 1:23:52.479 --> 1:23:56.000 an it's it can be a nuanced situation where there's 1:23:56.160 --> 1:24:03.520 different emotional there's different input, there's different excitement and different perspectives. 1:24:02.280 --> 1:24:06.519 Not just based on alcohol content too anything. 1:24:07.080 --> 1:24:10.720 Not as any boobs nowadays, as you know, they're back, 1:24:10.840 --> 1:24:14.680 different boobs I have. 1:24:15.560 --> 1:24:17.599 I have a non titty question, if that's all right. 1:24:19.920 --> 1:24:22.960 So with regards to what we were discussing with touring, 1:24:23.080 --> 1:24:25.640 and you mentioned the Grateful Dead and you mentioned you 1:24:26.120 --> 1:24:31.000 played you opened up for them once so at the time, 1:24:32.479 --> 1:24:34.800 and I'm not sure if we're around the same age 1:24:34.880 --> 1:24:38.000 or whatever, but I was in ninety three. Let's say 1:24:38.040 --> 1:24:41.960 you mentioned I was twenty three, and we had in college, 1:24:42.000 --> 1:24:45.360 we had seen a lot of Grateful Dead shows prior 1:24:45.439 --> 1:24:50.879 to Jerry passing away, and either they were either winding 1:24:50.880 --> 1:24:54.360 down or he had already passed and you were on 1:24:54.880 --> 1:24:57.840 an upward trajectory or just come out in a way, 1:24:58.439 --> 1:25:01.880 and at least in my little group, it was like, 1:25:01.920 --> 1:25:04.280 well what now, And then it was kind of like, well, 1:25:04.360 --> 1:25:06.960 Dave Matthews band, Now you were there, you were going 1:25:07.040 --> 1:25:12.000 to be the next saying well, not necessarily, but like 1:25:12.080 --> 1:25:15.479 the next the next band that people could uh literally 1:25:15.479 --> 1:25:19.000 follow around physically and travel around and tour with them 1:25:19.040 --> 1:25:23.080 and tailgate and have that whole kind of deadhead type 1:25:23.080 --> 1:25:27.880 of situation. So did you sense any of that or 1:25:27.920 --> 1:25:29.600 was that just between me and my friends where we 1:25:29.680 --> 1:25:32.400 heard felt that you were the next coming of let's 1:25:32.439 --> 1:25:34.400 say that type of touring. 1:25:34.960 --> 1:25:38.960 Yeah, I think we definitely felt like some I definitely 1:25:38.960 --> 1:25:41.600 remember feeling like some some of that was happening, But 1:25:41.640 --> 1:25:44.360 then you know that was I also think about like 1:25:44.479 --> 1:25:49.080 Fish were you know, Peers and and and and they 1:25:49.800 --> 1:25:53.240 definitely held that place. And then when I think about 1:25:53.280 --> 1:25:56.840 the bands we kind of came up in this in 1:25:56.880 --> 1:26:00.760 that time, I suppose somewhat a culture of seventies rock 1:26:00.800 --> 1:26:03.800 and a lot of that being the dead was like 1:26:03.880 --> 1:26:07.080 if you think of there was a like Colonel Bruce, 1:26:07.320 --> 1:26:10.000 and there were all these sort of interesting bands that 1:26:10.040 --> 1:26:12.519 were also sort of a crossover with jazz and stuff. 1:26:12.560 --> 1:26:14.559 So there was there seemed like there was a sort 1:26:14.560 --> 1:26:19.080 of a groundswell of bands that were kind of doing that, 1:26:19.160 --> 1:26:23.200 and and we were super lucky, obviously, and so I 1:26:23.280 --> 1:26:27.240 felt that. I remember we were in We're in, like 1:26:28.160 --> 1:26:32.840 within a couple of days of Jerry dying, we were 1:26:32.840 --> 1:26:37.200 in San Francisco, and I remember walking around, you know, uh, 1:26:37.680 --> 1:26:42.320 and and people were like literally in the people walking 1:26:42.320 --> 1:26:45.080 around the streets, literally saying what do we do? 1:26:45.600 --> 1:26:45.880 Right? 1:26:46.080 --> 1:26:48.120 No, it was it was It was kind of amazing 1:26:48.160 --> 1:26:53.479 to see these people who's who had like there there whatever, 1:26:54.160 --> 1:26:57.479 how wherever they were in their adult lives, had really 1:26:57.520 --> 1:27:00.840 been wrapped around around that culture. Sure, And I don't 1:27:00.840 --> 1:27:05.240 think anyone will ever replace that or take over. And 1:27:05.280 --> 1:27:08.439 we may have certainly gotten some of that or been, 1:27:08.800 --> 1:27:14.240 you know, in some ways similar to what they represent 1:27:14.320 --> 1:27:19.160 and at times maybe more effective in in our spontaneity 1:27:19.200 --> 1:27:21.720 than others, but I don't think. I don't think that ever. 1:27:21.880 --> 1:27:23.960 You know, they were so unique that I I kind 1:27:23.960 --> 1:27:26.800 of felt, even though it wasn't part of as big 1:27:26.840 --> 1:27:31.200 a part of my my musical upbringing, when I was 1:27:31.240 --> 1:27:33.600 in San Francisco's walking around and people were going, like, 1:27:33.640 --> 1:27:36.120 what are we going to do? Like, I was like Wow, 1:27:36.200 --> 1:27:39.040 this this is like a This is like a different 1:27:39.320 --> 1:27:44.559 world of musical cult, musical devotion that I've never you 1:27:44.600 --> 1:27:46.840 know that. I mean, the Beatles had Theirs, but they 1:27:46.880 --> 1:27:48.759 never had anything like that. They never had like people 1:27:48.800 --> 1:27:51.479 going what am I going to do? I remember being 1:27:51.520 --> 1:27:54.320 heartbroken when John Lennon died, but it wasn't going to 1:27:54.400 --> 1:27:56.120 change my bus schedule. 1:27:55.800 --> 1:27:58.160 You know, when the but when the Beatles broke up, 1:27:58.200 --> 1:28:00.439 there were people running around saying, what are we gonna do? 1:28:00.960 --> 1:28:04.080 Oh wait, let me let me ask Like for you, though, 1:28:04.479 --> 1:28:06.200 is a jam ban a four letter word to you? 1:28:06.280 --> 1:28:07.880 Because I don't, I don't. 1:28:08.200 --> 1:28:11.680 You know, you guys are way more advanced than I'll say, 1:28:11.680 --> 1:28:13.880 at least eighty percent of that circuit. I mean, there's 1:28:13.880 --> 1:28:16.599 some cats now, like Snirky Puppy that's kicking ass, but. 1:28:17.080 --> 1:28:18.439 They're kicking ass and then you. 1:28:18.360 --> 1:28:21.519 Know they're not but they're not right, they're not. 1:28:22.080 --> 1:28:24.400 But it's interesting though, because that's that's scripted. I think 1:28:24.439 --> 1:28:28.160 it's where we didn't decide. You don't decide where you go, 1:28:28.280 --> 1:28:30.519 where you get put, you know, in some ways, and 1:28:30.600 --> 1:28:33.840 so I don't feel like that. I never, uh, I 1:28:33.840 --> 1:28:38.040 felt like we belonged to that I always thought that 1:28:38.120 --> 1:28:42.680 was a somewhat it was just a term convenient, you know, 1:28:42.880 --> 1:28:45.439 sort of odd, uh, you know, and that we got 1:28:45.439 --> 1:28:47.400 an audience and and we get to play for them, 1:28:47.439 --> 1:28:49.439 and it and I you know, in a weird way, 1:28:49.600 --> 1:28:52.479 jam band. I don't know who came up with it, 1:28:52.520 --> 1:28:55.880 but it's you know, obviously jamming, as people do that. 1:28:56.280 --> 1:28:59.920 But but it seemed to be somewhat dismissive, you know. 1:29:00.479 --> 1:29:03.040 You know, Yeah, if someone seas in jam band, it's 1:29:03.080 --> 1:29:05.600 usually in a disparaging way, like a critic. 1:29:06.800 --> 1:29:06.960 Jam. 1:29:08.960 --> 1:29:10.439 Well, the thing was we try. 1:29:10.240 --> 1:29:13.080 To avoid it because I saw some of the bands 1:29:13.120 --> 1:29:17.200 catching flack for it. But then you know, for us, 1:29:17.280 --> 1:29:20.360 I feel like, especially in the state of black music, 1:29:21.320 --> 1:29:26.360 the band is dying, the group is dying, the level 1:29:26.400 --> 1:29:29.320 of musicianship is dying. So we're now we have this 1:29:29.479 --> 1:29:34.800 like vigorous, like purpose to literally carry the history of 1:29:34.840 --> 1:29:38.439 like a hundred years of black music on our. 1:29:38.360 --> 1:29:39.160 Backs in our show. 1:29:39.240 --> 1:29:40.920 So we gotta do break beats, and we got to 1:29:40.960 --> 1:29:42.960 do hip hop, and we gotta do jazz. 1:29:42.720 --> 1:29:45.160 And we got like so I think our thing is 1:29:45.160 --> 1:29:45.799 a little different. 1:29:45.960 --> 1:29:49.439 And also in this place where I just I've learned 1:29:49.479 --> 1:29:53.720 not to manage people's expectations anymore. So you know if 1:29:53.760 --> 1:29:55.800 you notice, like I, well, I don't know if you know, 1:29:55.840 --> 1:29:59.000 it's not being at roots shows. But I purposely stopped 1:29:59.000 --> 1:30:05.120 doing drum solos like maybe in two thousand and seven 1:30:05.880 --> 1:30:10.280 because I didn't want to get pegged as a jam band. 1:30:10.320 --> 1:30:12.760 So it's like, oh, I'll stop doing drum solos. But 1:30:12.880 --> 1:30:15.080 I mean now I don't care. But it's just like 1:30:16.360 --> 1:30:19.280 I think, you know, well, his jam band might be 1:30:19.400 --> 1:30:22.559 my Neil Soul, Like I remember, like, I'm not Neil Soul. 1:30:22.600 --> 1:30:25.280 That's something that a carpate board made up. 1:30:25.320 --> 1:30:27.519 So that's why I wanted to know if jam band 1:30:27.560 --> 1:30:28.519 was a four letter word. 1:30:28.640 --> 1:30:31.920 So I get where you're coming from with that too, 1:30:32.000 --> 1:30:35.439 because but mainly as as a dismissive thing. Because the 1:30:35.479 --> 1:30:39.360 funny part is that, you know, when I first heard Carter, 1:30:39.760 --> 1:30:42.120 he was playing in a band called Secrets, and its 1:30:42.200 --> 1:30:46.040 like this most insane fusion band and a bunch of 1:30:46.080 --> 1:30:48.519 different you know, Tim had played with them, and I 1:30:48.520 --> 1:30:51.320 think Roy may have sat in with them a few times. 1:30:51.479 --> 1:30:52.320 There's I mean, they. 1:30:52.200 --> 1:30:56.080 Were crazy, an insane band. Everybody was better than the 1:30:56.080 --> 1:30:58.720 other guy, you know, and I used to watch them 1:30:58.720 --> 1:31:02.280 and then Roy. I mean he played anything, but I'd 1:31:02.280 --> 1:31:06.520 see him, he'd be playing jazz and and and beautiful. 1:31:06.720 --> 1:31:09.120 Just you know, the first one of the first times 1:31:09.120 --> 1:31:11.280 I ever saw Roy, I just could I couldn't even 1:31:11.320 --> 1:31:16.559 believe that that this this gem lived in this town I'd. 1:31:16.400 --> 1:31:18.320 Moved to to be closer to my mom. 1:31:18.360 --> 1:31:21.200 You know. I was like, oh my god, this guy's insane, 1:31:21.280 --> 1:31:25.559 and and and and and Stefan was like this he 1:31:25.680 --> 1:31:29.960 came suggested to us. So the backgrounds of where everyone 1:31:30.040 --> 1:31:34.160 came from was not from like it wasn't because everyone 1:31:34.280 --> 1:31:36.240 was listening to the Dead, so we didn't have that 1:31:36.280 --> 1:31:40.479 connection to that that idea, right, And I had one. 1:31:40.720 --> 1:31:43.400 I had one Dead album. It was acoustic record. And 1:31:43.520 --> 1:31:46.880 every time I start describing it Dead fans go, oh, 1:31:46.920 --> 1:31:50.200 you had that record, so but uh and I loved it, 1:31:50.680 --> 1:31:54.439 but I you know, but uh, it was it was 1:31:54.439 --> 1:31:56.720 a lot. Yeah, probably it was a it was a 1:31:56.720 --> 1:31:58.760 live record, it was a studio, it was. 1:31:59.080 --> 1:32:02.840 The acoustic Yeah. At it was front a radio city 1:32:02.920 --> 1:32:03.400 music hall. 1:32:03.720 --> 1:32:04.839 Steve, you're a deadhead. 1:32:05.720 --> 1:32:08.200 I'm dead head adjacent. All my friends, my friends in 1:32:08.479 --> 1:32:10.800 in college were Deadheads. So they dragged me to a 1:32:10.840 --> 1:32:13.400 bunch of shows, and you know, but as you guys 1:32:13.400 --> 1:32:16.839 are talking, I mean there's there's there's obviously crossover between 1:32:17.320 --> 1:32:19.760 a band like The Grateful Dead and Dave Matthews Band, 1:32:19.800 --> 1:32:23.599 even though there's no direct influences necessarily, and then there's 1:32:23.640 --> 1:32:25.720 there's crossover in the audience between the Roots and the 1:32:25.800 --> 1:32:29.920 Dave Matthews band. I've been at at festivals. Absolutely the 1:32:30.000 --> 1:32:33.400 Roots fit in great with quote unquote jam bands the 1:32:33.439 --> 1:32:34.760 same same set. 1:32:34.880 --> 1:32:36.560 You know, well, I think if anything, we've learned a 1:32:36.600 --> 1:32:40.559 shape sift, so you know, we we've safe shifted to 1:32:40.640 --> 1:32:42.080 any band that we open for. 1:32:42.280 --> 1:32:45.439 So it's just like live, I love it. Thank you 1:32:45.560 --> 1:32:48.160 ever meet Jerry that one time you opened up for him? 1:32:48.160 --> 1:32:49.880 Did you meet him? I did not. 1:32:51.120 --> 1:32:52.800 We had this, We have this habit and we did 1:32:52.840 --> 1:32:54.840 it with a lot of the bands that we opened 1:32:54.920 --> 1:32:58.400 up for. Is we would just stay out of the way. 1:32:59.280 --> 1:33:01.720 And I don't know what it is, just like we're 1:33:01.760 --> 1:33:03.160 going to open up, Like if we're going to open 1:33:03.240 --> 1:33:05.200 up for the Stones, just go to your dressing room. 1:33:05.200 --> 1:33:08.960 We shut the fuck up and and then and then 1:33:09.080 --> 1:33:11.200 the weird thing is that a lot of the time 1:33:11.280 --> 1:33:12.840 then you do meet them, so you know, you get 1:33:12.880 --> 1:33:15.000 to meet Bob or you get to. But I didn't 1:33:15.080 --> 1:33:16.160 meet Jerry that time. 1:33:17.400 --> 1:33:19.439 You know, see you've never done a dead End Company 1:33:19.520 --> 1:33:21.240 or Phil Lesson Friends or none of that. 1:33:22.160 --> 1:33:25.120 I haven't, you know, maybe I have not. 1:33:25.880 --> 1:33:29.960 That's one final question. Yes, Dave, your your band has 1:33:29.960 --> 1:33:33.759 covered a lot of tunes. Peter gabriel A, Bob Dylan. 1:33:34.479 --> 1:33:38.559 What's the song you Yeah, that's sledgehammer, God damn sledgehammer slamming. 1:33:38.600 --> 1:33:42.400 It always has been whatever Jesus Christ, Dave, like, what's 1:33:42.439 --> 1:33:44.519 what's what? What's the song you wish you wrote? What's 1:33:44.560 --> 1:33:47.080 the one song you wish that you sledgehammer? 1:33:47.520 --> 1:33:50.120 But but it's so outside, you know, I mean, that's 1:33:50.160 --> 1:33:53.720 a that's a that's a that's an insane that's a 1:33:53.720 --> 1:33:58.160 perfect song. You know, it's like the whole I don't 1:33:58.160 --> 1:34:01.680 know it's it's perfect, It's it's impossible. There's a lot 1:34:01.680 --> 1:34:04.559 of songs I wish I wrote, and and but I you. 1:34:04.520 --> 1:34:06.360 Know, what's your favorite Beatles song? 1:34:08.120 --> 1:34:09.880 That's that's an impossible thing to say. 1:34:10.000 --> 1:34:13.760 But uh, well you answer the Starbucks question, you know, 1:34:13.840 --> 1:34:17.680 Whi's your favorite drink? You can answer this, but like. 1:34:17.720 --> 1:34:20.559 So quickly too, he do, like, well, I know that 1:34:20.600 --> 1:34:22.519 if I pull over in Starbucks exactly what I can have. 1:34:22.560 --> 1:34:24.600 It's gonna right, I know what it's you know, but 1:34:24.680 --> 1:34:28.519 I mean my mood will change. Hay, bull dog is pretty. 1:34:29.240 --> 1:34:32.599 That's some o. There you go, man, that's start at work. 1:34:32.680 --> 1:34:33.960 There you go, nice, Hay. 1:34:39.520 --> 1:34:42.120 Before I close, I I want to test out my 1:34:42.360 --> 1:34:45.120 rapid fire random ten, which I think I'm gonna lean 1:34:45.200 --> 1:34:47.480 more into that for future episodes. 1:34:47.800 --> 1:34:51.760 All right, Dave, I'm really slow at this. 1:34:52.160 --> 1:34:54.080 No, no, no, no, just rapid fire. Say what's on 1:34:54.120 --> 1:34:54.439 your mind? 1:34:54.479 --> 1:34:54.800 All right? 1:34:54.840 --> 1:34:57.000 What what is your secret talent that we don't know? 1:34:57.880 --> 1:35:00.360 I think I'm a pretty good I made. Maybe I 1:35:00.360 --> 1:35:05.599 could have been an artist in a different life, straight tar, Yeah, 1:35:06.120 --> 1:35:07.680 it might have been a painter. Maybe if I. 1:35:08.439 --> 1:35:10.240 Wait, do you do paint in your spare time? 1:35:10.680 --> 1:35:13.160 Yeah, I'm all right. 1:35:13.200 --> 1:35:15.320 I'm a collector of artwork, so I'll be coming for you. 1:35:15.439 --> 1:35:15.679 Okay. 1:35:15.680 --> 1:35:19.400 Anyway, text call or facetiming. 1:35:19.200 --> 1:35:25.000 Text and face times. No one calls anyone. That's a 1:35:25.040 --> 1:35:28.599 shitty question. No one calls anyone who calls people over 1:35:28.720 --> 1:35:32.639 forty call? Yeah, my wife calls me and I always 1:35:32.680 --> 1:35:35.840 look at it expecting her face to turn up. But 1:35:36.840 --> 1:35:40.360 then I always FaceTime her and then she has me 1:35:40.400 --> 1:35:44.280 in the cup holder or wherever, because. 1:35:44.000 --> 1:35:46.320 Some people think it's rude to FaceTime cold. You supposed 1:35:46.320 --> 1:35:47.320 to text or something first? 1:35:47.560 --> 1:35:50.559 Oh yeah, I hate that. I hate the bell. 1:35:51.000 --> 1:35:52.920 Yeah I text. I generally text. 1:35:53.880 --> 1:35:56.719 It's pizza Knight, you're ordering? 1:35:56.760 --> 1:35:57.880 What do you order? Oh? 1:35:58.040 --> 1:35:59.280 This is pressure. 1:35:59.400 --> 1:36:03.080 Fresh or a lot of meat? 1:36:04.560 --> 1:36:04.840 Wow? 1:36:05.240 --> 1:36:14.120 So wait, yeah that's it cuzin Jake fresh beds or 1:36:14.240 --> 1:36:15.479 lots of meat either way. 1:36:15.720 --> 1:36:19.840 I mean, wait, ther you gotta ask him if you're 1:36:19.840 --> 1:36:22.479 in Philadelphia, is it a cheese steak or is it 1:36:22.520 --> 1:36:23.559 a chicken cheese steak? 1:36:26.720 --> 1:36:28.800 I don't want to. I gotta tell you. I don't 1:36:28.800 --> 1:36:32.640 want to cross. I always want you have to tell me? 1:36:32.680 --> 1:36:33.200 Where do this? 1:36:33.240 --> 1:36:36.519 Is how I answer that question? Where should I get? 1:36:37.040 --> 1:36:37.240 Oh? 1:36:38.800 --> 1:36:40.240 No, no no. 1:36:40.600 --> 1:36:45.400 From now on, I'm sending every comrade of mine j 1:36:45.560 --> 1:36:50.120 L just shut up like uters. Yes, I give them 1:36:50.200 --> 1:36:53.439 jail Jupiter's YouTube page and he will lead them to 1:36:53.600 --> 1:36:55.080 the best steaks. 1:36:55.320 --> 1:36:55.720 All right? 1:36:55.840 --> 1:36:56.760 How many? How many? 1:36:56.840 --> 1:36:58.640 And I got five more left and then I'll let 1:36:58.640 --> 1:37:02.719 you go. Dave, how many the unread texts are in your. 1:37:02.600 --> 1:37:06.200 Phone that that I have not read that someone else 1:37:06.200 --> 1:37:08.400 has sent me? I well, I suppose that's the only 1:37:08.439 --> 1:37:11.360 ones there be right right now. 1:37:11.280 --> 1:37:13.759 There are three hundred and thirty five in my phone. 1:37:14.320 --> 1:37:17.759 None. 1:37:19.120 --> 1:37:21.439 I'm gonna text Dave Matthews and blow this sh it up. 1:37:27.280 --> 1:37:31.200 I don't always respond, but I always check, all right, 1:37:31.240 --> 1:37:33.480 so you least check, but you don't respond. 1:37:34.520 --> 1:37:38.040 But you're not an email person. 1:37:37.840 --> 1:37:41.519 Like a million a million about you know. 1:37:42.560 --> 1:37:46.400 Under it, Dave, you be careful of the read receipts, 1:37:46.439 --> 1:37:49.519 the red receipts. Okay, be careful of that since you're 1:37:49.520 --> 1:37:51.400 not answering them. You know, people can see when you're 1:37:51.400 --> 1:37:52.960 looking at the text message. 1:37:53.280 --> 1:37:55.439 You can hide it. You can hide it now, I 1:37:55.439 --> 1:37:55.880 don't care. 1:37:56.479 --> 1:37:57.840 Oh little thing that does this. 1:37:59.479 --> 1:38:02.200 No, we get a message and says he read it. 1:38:02.520 --> 1:38:06.000 He just right exactly. I know there. 1:38:06.040 --> 1:38:08.400 But there's a there's a there's a switch button on 1:38:08.439 --> 1:38:10.599 your iPhone that can take that off. 1:38:10.640 --> 1:38:12.320 I immediately did that because. 1:38:12.080 --> 1:38:14.519 Everyone's like, I know you read it, because it as 1:38:14.520 --> 1:38:16.160 you read it, and so I was like, nope, I'm not. 1:38:16.880 --> 1:38:17.960 I don't trust that ship. 1:38:18.520 --> 1:38:23.040 Sometimes sometimes I if it's like a holiday or it's 1:38:23.080 --> 1:38:30.920 my birthday, I'll just paste like thanks love you, and yeah, 1:38:31.040 --> 1:38:36.360 oh god, yes, thanks love you love you. Thanks. I mean, 1:38:36.880 --> 1:38:40.559 but it's like that sometimes you just have to take it. 1:38:40.680 --> 1:38:43.200 You have like Happy Father's Day, Thanks, love you, thanks. 1:38:46.160 --> 1:38:48.760 Quality one back at you all right? 1:38:48.800 --> 1:38:49.280 Four more? 1:38:49.479 --> 1:38:50.639 What's your ice cream flavor? 1:38:51.200 --> 1:38:54.519 I love ice cream. There's a great place, Molly Moon's 1:38:54.600 --> 1:38:57.160 here in Seattle that I love. But this's I love all. 1:38:57.200 --> 1:38:59.680 I love ice cream. But I gotta tell you there 1:38:59.760 --> 1:39:03.280 was this my most emotional response. There's uh, and it's 1:39:03.680 --> 1:39:05.599 you know, I wish it was organic, but it's ice 1:39:05.640 --> 1:39:07.760 it's ice cream. I wish it was healthy. It's ice cream. 1:39:08.240 --> 1:39:15.600 Is uh black raspberry chocolate ice cream from. 1:39:14.080 --> 1:39:16.240 It's a it's a specific grocery. 1:39:16.120 --> 1:39:21.280 Raspberry with chocolate chips. No, no, no, no, that's cherry 1:39:21.360 --> 1:39:22.040 not but. 1:39:21.960 --> 1:39:26.479 It's it's black. I think it's black chocolate. It's just 1:39:27.120 --> 1:39:31.960 it's not there's no lumps or chunks. Oh, it's a. 1:39:31.920 --> 1:39:38.280 Great connoisseur of the ice cream. So that's that's that's different. 1:39:38.800 --> 1:39:42.639 It's from a grow it's it's like it's made by 1:39:42.840 --> 1:39:44.840 but I can't remember the chain. But I was really 1:39:44.840 --> 1:39:46.760 into it, and then I was like, I can't just 1:39:47.120 --> 1:39:48.240 that's the only time I've had a. 1:39:48.160 --> 1:39:50.960 Really did you have your own flavor, no of the ben. 1:39:50.800 --> 1:39:55.400 And Jerry's never naked like fish. It didn't make ry. 1:39:56.200 --> 1:40:00.040 I think we had Jerry, Jerry gar. 1:40:00.080 --> 1:40:03.040 That's Jerry Garcia is good. I do the fish food 1:40:03.080 --> 1:40:03.519 is good to. 1:40:03.520 --> 1:40:04.799 Fish food is a game change. 1:40:05.280 --> 1:40:06.720 I gotta try it. 1:40:06.760 --> 1:40:08.360 I don't know what's next. 1:40:08.600 --> 1:40:11.080 Yeah, I'm sorry, we're making your questions long. 1:40:11.600 --> 1:40:16.040 Okay, Uh, what time do you wake up? And what 1:40:16.120 --> 1:40:18.599 are the first three things you do when you wake up? 1:40:18.640 --> 1:40:19.840 That's habitual every day? 1:40:20.280 --> 1:40:21.280 You are very good at this. 1:40:21.520 --> 1:40:21.840 Okay. 1:40:22.040 --> 1:40:26.120 So when I'm at home, I like to wake up 1:40:27.040 --> 1:40:32.280 early and take my boy to school, although that's going 1:40:32.360 --> 1:40:35.720 to end soon because he's compared. But I like the 1:40:35.800 --> 1:40:39.600 process of getting up with him. But when I'm on 1:40:39.640 --> 1:40:42.320 the road, I don't have to do that. So and 1:40:42.360 --> 1:40:46.320 then I like, if I get up before my wife, 1:40:46.439 --> 1:40:48.200 then I don't do this. But if I do get 1:40:48.280 --> 1:40:51.840 up after her, I like to make the bed and 1:40:52.439 --> 1:40:53.839 always the first thing. 1:40:53.680 --> 1:40:55.280 I do is uh. 1:40:56.720 --> 1:41:00.680 Is is make myself coffee. I like to make my 1:41:00.680 --> 1:41:02.720 wife coffee, but I don't always know how she likes 1:41:02.720 --> 1:41:06.439 it because we're always changing. But I like, I just 1:41:06.760 --> 1:41:08.720 like that's the first thing I don't want to I 1:41:08.760 --> 1:41:09.760 don't want to do anything else. 1:41:10.760 --> 1:41:12.080 That's what I want to do. That's what I do. 1:41:12.200 --> 1:41:19.240 First on the road, I I uh, coffee and then exercise. 1:41:21.120 --> 1:41:24.920 But at home, coffee and then think, wish I should 1:41:25.240 --> 1:41:29.439 be going to exercise. That's what I think. Like I've 1:41:29.439 --> 1:41:32.280 been busy, but but it's been three I've been home 1:41:32.320 --> 1:41:35.520 for a few days, and every day I say, tomorrow 1:41:35.520 --> 1:41:37.639 I'm going to exercise, and then I don't. 1:41:38.360 --> 1:41:39.400 Yeah, I got a trick for that. 1:41:39.439 --> 1:41:40.920 All you got to do is put your workout clothes 1:41:40.960 --> 1:41:42.640 on in the beginning of day when you wake up, 1:41:42.680 --> 1:41:43.240 and it'll. 1:41:43.000 --> 1:41:48.800 Be almost do I look. I look at I look 1:41:48.840 --> 1:41:51.280 at them, and then I go, yeah, but I'm going 1:41:51.360 --> 1:41:52.880 to put those other ones on and I'll put the 1:41:52.960 --> 1:41:55.680 work on later. I don't know that I put on 1:41:55.720 --> 1:41:58.120 my and my work got clothes involved, just so you know, 1:41:58.560 --> 1:42:02.880 also involved, like the the compression knee things, which is good, 1:42:05.000 --> 1:42:07.559 and so I put the compression knee things on. Sometimes 1:42:07.600 --> 1:42:10.519 I'll put the compression knee things on and my whole 1:42:10.640 --> 1:42:15.479 workout outfit, which is pretty amazing. And then I don't 1:42:15.479 --> 1:42:16.880 work out sometimes because you're. 1:42:16.800 --> 1:42:18.920 Tired from putting on all that compression ship. 1:42:19.040 --> 1:42:19.280 That's it. 1:42:19.320 --> 1:42:20.160 Will tire you out. 1:42:21.800 --> 1:42:27.120 Yeah, yeah, okay. If the universe grants you a five 1:42:27.200 --> 1:42:41.680 year extension to prolong your favorite age. 1:42:33.920 --> 1:42:34.000 You. 1:42:36.680 --> 1:42:38.519 This shit, like, what is happening? 1:42:39.439 --> 1:42:42.600 No, no, I'm just I threw the script away and 1:42:42.640 --> 1:42:46.240 I'm just having the common my friend. The universe allows 1:42:46.280 --> 1:42:50.000 you to live five years age in your favorite age? 1:42:50.040 --> 1:42:50.840 What age would it be? 1:42:51.880 --> 1:42:52.320 And why? 1:42:53.360 --> 1:42:55.080 This is what's coming to my mind, and so I 1:42:55.120 --> 1:42:56.680 have to say it, but I would. I was going 1:42:56.760 --> 1:42:58.840 to say fifty six, which is what I am. But 1:42:58.880 --> 1:43:04.240 i'm because I'm feeling pretty good. But though an age 1:43:04.280 --> 1:43:09.280 that struck me was fifty, I didn't think when I 1:43:09.320 --> 1:43:14.240 turned fifty that i'd be that I would notice something. 1:43:14.240 --> 1:43:16.800 But I noticed something that I wish I noticed when 1:43:16.800 --> 1:43:21.439 I was thirty, which is I I didn't stop giving 1:43:21.479 --> 1:43:30.920 a fuck, but I stopped giving a fuck about ship 1:43:31.040 --> 1:43:33.479 that I shouldn't give too much of a fuck about. 1:43:33.600 --> 1:43:37.479 Oh, teach me great one. 1:43:35.880 --> 1:43:39.240 Oh, because I was managing people's expectations. 1:43:39.280 --> 1:43:39.960 Yeah, I stopped. 1:43:39.960 --> 1:43:42.800 I was like, if you know, did I do something wrong? 1:43:43.400 --> 1:43:46.640 I didn't think wrong. I'm trying. I want to be 1:43:47.080 --> 1:43:50.559 I want to be present, I want to be helpful. 1:43:50.600 --> 1:43:54.000 I want to be that but but I but you know, 1:43:54.160 --> 1:43:58.200 I I stopped caring. Playing music start to be easier 1:43:58.720 --> 1:44:03.000 because I was I felt like people would rather see 1:44:03.040 --> 1:44:06.639 me stick my tongue out and have a good time 1:44:07.120 --> 1:44:10.280 than when I'm playing on stage. Then they would want 1:44:10.320 --> 1:44:14.360 to see me wondering whether I am doing my job. 1:44:14.439 --> 1:44:17.400 Well, okay, all right. 1:44:17.600 --> 1:44:20.840 Second to last, is it existential? 1:44:21.880 --> 1:44:25.600 Is the grass greener on the other side? 1:44:26.160 --> 1:44:29.360 I like that. Wasn't there a book in the seventies 1:44:29.479 --> 1:44:32.120 that was that was called The Grass is Always Greener 1:44:32.160 --> 1:44:33.200 over the Septic Tank? 1:44:33.840 --> 1:44:35.760 Yes, Timothy Leary. 1:44:35.760 --> 1:44:39.920 O Timothy Leary Really, no, really, I mean I made 1:44:39.920 --> 1:44:43.519 it up. I made it up. I was totally about that. 1:44:43.880 --> 1:44:46.960 Sound right, not at all, not at all, Like there's 1:44:46.960 --> 1:44:49.680 a rat at dinner. I don't know what's happening. But 1:44:51.479 --> 1:44:54.800 we did actually have a septic problem when I was 1:44:54.840 --> 1:44:58.360 a kid in New York and uh out on the 1:44:58.400 --> 1:45:01.880 front lawn. We didn't realize, but then the septic tank 1:45:02.000 --> 1:45:04.120 blew up. We had to have it, you know, draink 1:45:04.400 --> 1:45:06.200 whatever you do. You had that new one put in 1:45:06.280 --> 1:45:07.360 or they had to have a drain. I don't know 1:45:07.400 --> 1:45:12.519 what happened anyway, anyway, Then tomatoes started growing on the 1:45:12.600 --> 1:45:16.479 lawn and so my mom was like, free tomatoes. And 1:45:16.560 --> 1:45:20.240 my brother's like, I'm not eating the tomatoes. They're poop tomatoes. 1:45:20.360 --> 1:45:21.600 They're poop tomatoes. 1:45:22.200 --> 1:45:24.240 Yeah, they were. They went through us and then they 1:45:24.680 --> 1:45:26.120 when they grew in the yard. 1:45:26.680 --> 1:45:27.679 Wait, that's such a thing. 1:45:28.240 --> 1:45:32.480 Yeah. I think if you poop tomatoes seeds and you 1:45:33.360 --> 1:45:36.920 you turn the soil no, and then you turn the 1:45:37.000 --> 1:45:42.840 soil no. Day with us, there's a My brother said, 1:45:42.840 --> 1:45:46.519 I'm not eating those tomatoes because I don't. I don't 1:45:46.640 --> 1:45:51.760 not eating those poop tomatoes. That's disgusting. Did he see 1:45:52.200 --> 1:45:53.240 tomatoes is gone? 1:45:53.320 --> 1:45:57.640 This might be my favorite interview. 1:45:58.479 --> 1:46:01.760 Like there's weird things that happened, like fig, Like is 1:46:01.760 --> 1:46:04.720 it a fig? The fig is the fig that in 1:46:04.800 --> 1:46:09.479 order for a fig to be no, in order no 1:46:09.720 --> 1:46:12.960 fig to be to turn into a fruit to be furl, 1:46:13.280 --> 1:46:16.800 it has a wasp has to have maybe have been 1:46:16.880 --> 1:46:20.559 to another the opposite sex and then get stuck in 1:46:20.640 --> 1:46:24.320 the flour and then the wasp gets absorbed into the fig. 1:46:24.439 --> 1:46:28.720 So when you eat aig, there's been a wasp that 1:46:28.880 --> 1:46:31.120 was absorbed. It's no longer there. There's not like a 1:46:31.160 --> 1:46:34.680 wing in there. But I'm just there's gross things out there, 1:46:34.760 --> 1:46:35.240 it is. 1:46:35.640 --> 1:46:38.720 And badly they use coffee made from shit, right, so. 1:46:39.680 --> 1:46:42.200 National theographic Dave matt All right, what's your last one? 1:46:42.320 --> 1:46:42.479 Here? 1:46:42.560 --> 1:46:47.240 Go ahead, Dave Matthews. How many push ups can you do? 1:46:48.560 --> 1:46:51.960 Go? I think I could do thirty? 1:46:52.880 --> 1:46:53.200 No? 1:46:54.400 --> 1:46:57.080 Really, yeah, that's that's impressives. 1:46:57.640 --> 1:46:58.480 That's impressive. 1:46:59.120 --> 1:47:01.160 Really joke, go ahead, go ahead. 1:47:01.439 --> 1:47:02.599 I'm not going to do it right now. 1:47:02.960 --> 1:47:04.800 No, no, no, no, I. 1:47:04.720 --> 1:47:07.280 Mean I thought she was going to ask the other question. 1:47:07.479 --> 1:47:11.160 Dave yay or nay micro dos. 1:47:11.200 --> 1:47:14.400 Yes, Dave the a I knew he was with us, 1:47:15.479 --> 1:47:17.719 of course and sometimes. 1:47:18.920 --> 1:47:21.240 Macroads macroadis. 1:47:22.640 --> 1:47:24.479 Dave, did you just not do a great interview on 1:47:24.520 --> 1:47:27.760 Howard Stern where we talked about how you wrote, uh, 1:47:27.800 --> 1:47:30.560 the title track to your last album on mushrooms. 1:47:30.880 --> 1:47:33.760 Oh, certainly was fantastic. 1:47:33.240 --> 1:47:36.840 Certainly some of it because it was it was I 1:47:36.880 --> 1:47:39.759 mean that was I mean, it was for my good fortune. 1:47:39.920 --> 1:47:41.880 There there there are there are. 1:47:41.760 --> 1:47:48.080 Around sometimes and mushrooms and uh and that pandemic. 1:47:48.840 --> 1:47:52.240 Mm hmmmlict it's the mushroom seems like a good time, 1:47:52.520 --> 1:47:54.040 I mean, why not? What the fuck? 1:47:54.720 --> 1:48:01.000 Oh my god, dog, this is def mean like doing 1:48:01.040 --> 1:48:03.240 the show with it with an old friend. 1:48:03.080 --> 1:48:05.240 Because I hardly asked. 1:48:05.240 --> 1:48:07.400 I hope your publicist and your label ain't mad that 1:48:07.439 --> 1:48:10.160 we didn't talk more about song structure and sorry, the 1:48:10.400 --> 1:48:15.040 records great, Yes, sorry, we don't need you know. 1:48:15.760 --> 1:48:18.559 Thank you man, I appreciate it. I really enjoyed talking. 1:48:18.600 --> 1:48:19.880 And this is what I want to talk about. What 1:48:19.920 --> 1:48:21.560 we talked about exactly. 1:48:21.880 --> 1:48:22.759 Well, that was beautiful. 1:48:22.800 --> 1:48:25.280 Hopefully we'll have you back on some more joy. 1:48:25.680 --> 1:48:27.519 And I'm as nice as hang out with you all. 1:48:27.560 --> 1:48:31.280 And I'll tell you I mean your question. It's I'm 1:48:31.320 --> 1:48:32.320 always happy to see you. 1:48:33.000 --> 1:48:33.559 Thank you, sir. 1:48:34.120 --> 1:48:37.720 And I love you your music, and I think you're 1:48:37.840 --> 1:48:41.120 unbelievable and I and I love the work you're doing. 1:48:41.200 --> 1:48:45.519 And I you know that I love Mutical how much 1:48:45.560 --> 1:48:48.639 that film meant to me, and you know, or that series. 1:48:48.880 --> 1:48:54.880 It's just like I can't tell you exqueeze it, but 1:48:54.920 --> 1:48:58.160 I just made me so happy. Like it's like I 1:48:58.200 --> 1:49:02.880 love looking for the truth that's in our history and 1:49:02.880 --> 1:49:05.600 and and I just and and you did it so 1:49:05.680 --> 1:49:09.280 eloquently and uh shared with everyone. I think is just magic. 1:49:09.320 --> 1:49:10.360 And so thanks for having me. 1:49:10.960 --> 1:49:14.640 Stop smiling like you because she she's smiling because he 1:49:14.760 --> 1:49:17.679 knows that you're doing good. No, I love, I love 1:49:17.960 --> 1:49:18.640 the compliment. 1:49:19.560 --> 1:49:21.800 He wasn't all you know, he wasn't always able to 1:49:21.840 --> 1:49:23.360 take the flowers. So he's doing real good. 1:49:23.400 --> 1:49:26.000 He's still cutting you off slightly, but he's this is 1:49:26.000 --> 1:49:27.160 really good, this is progress. 1:49:27.240 --> 1:49:29.360 I gotta go because I have another interview to do. 1:49:29.600 --> 1:49:30.640 Ladies and gentlemen. 1:49:33.320 --> 1:49:34.000 Really awesome. 1:49:34.439 --> 1:49:38.040 They can be half on, behalf of Unpaid Bill and 1:49:38.080 --> 1:49:41.559 Sugar Steve and like the great Dave Matthews, we will 1:49:41.560 --> 1:49:43.160 see you next time on Quest Love Supreme. 1:49:43.600 --> 1:49:43.920 Thank you. 1:49:52.760 --> 1:49:55.439 Quest Love Supreme is a reduction of high Heart grad 1:50:00.360 --> 1:50:05.120 For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 1:50:05.200 --> 1:50:06.920 or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.