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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Don't Do That. Welcome Black, Tom.

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Speaker 2: Franklin. Yeah my jine, don't track, don't dam let me

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Speaker 2: tell my love you got wound, do it down.

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Speaker 3: Shooting Guard.

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Speaker 4: Jones Show with the one and only Dragonfly Jones, Tyler

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Speaker 4: Le Jethro Jenkins, John and we're joined by our special guest, who,

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Speaker 4: like me, does not require that I tell you his

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Speaker 4: Twitter name and then his real name, Miles Brown. Miles

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Speaker 4: with the y U if you're looking for him on Twitter. Guys,

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Speaker 4: we obviously all.

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Speaker 5: Know what we're talking about today. Moles, give my introduction.

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Speaker 5: Introduce yourself to the people. Let you know, you gotta

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Speaker 5: gotta let him know who we're talking to.

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Speaker 3: You feel me, You're gonna make me stand up in

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Speaker 3: front of the class.

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Speaker 5: Right, let's go.

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Speaker 4: Hi.

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Speaker 6: My name is Miles. I go to school in Portland

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Speaker 6: to write about basketball. There we go and make commercials.

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Speaker 5: There we go, There we go, There we go, there

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Speaker 5: we go.

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Speaker 7: So yeah, yeah, like, bro, this was better than expected.

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Speaker 5: It destroyed expectations, the quotables, the music.

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Speaker 7: Bro, they dropped the fuck on there at least twice.

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Speaker 5: Dude, I can't believe how good this is. Dude, this

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Speaker 5: doc is so good.

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Speaker 4: They got Disney to let f bombs fly at fucking

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Speaker 4: six o'clock West Coast time, bro.

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Speaker 7: In front of the whole world, because everybody's at home

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Speaker 7: watching this shit, right, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 5: Like insane. They got Kraus the fuck up out of there.

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Speaker 7: I know he in afterlife, like damn nigga like hide

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Speaker 7: in his face, shaigga ship.

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Speaker 8: I'm yo, Like we all read all the stories about

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Speaker 8: you know, everything that Michael Jordan said to Jerry Krouse.

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Speaker 3: We all knew it coming in.

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Speaker 8: Seeing that shit on video is still jarring, Like you

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Speaker 8: looked that man dead in the face in front of

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Speaker 8: his employees, just cuts him down, Like it makes you

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Speaker 8: think about like the work dynamic they had to have.

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Speaker 3: We're like krowds get shitted on by mj just he

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Speaker 3: comes shit on you. Do you respect him?

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Speaker 5: Like?

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Speaker 3: Right? How do you do your job?

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Speaker 4: After that, he said, he said, are those the pills

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Speaker 4: you take? They keep you short? And then he said, oh,

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Speaker 4: they must be weight loss pills.

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Speaker 5: And then walked off and look back at him like

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Speaker 5: what you gonna say? I'm Michael Jordan, motherfucker bro. But

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Speaker 5: the this a trust me out though.

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Speaker 7: Crouse really like, dude, you have the best team ever assembled,

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Speaker 7: maybe other than the eighty seven, you know what I'm saying,

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Speaker 7: Lakers show tim and like that, but particularly the best

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Speaker 7: team ever fucking assembled. Dog, you know what I'm saying,

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Speaker 7: You've won six out of eight chips and you're trying

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Speaker 7: to break that up. Dude, sits your ass down somewhere

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Speaker 7: and enjoy the greatst That's insanity to me.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, it's it's it's it's like it's every every GM

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Speaker 9: thinks they're the smartest guy in the organization, right, every

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Speaker 9: GM and more important to Yeah. Yeah, but but when

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Speaker 9: everything goes to ship is when GM get on a

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Speaker 9: bender where they need to remind people that they're the

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Speaker 9: smartest kiny in the organization. Nothing good ever comes with

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Speaker 9: GM's on power trips. And that's what the crass was off.

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Speaker 5: I mean, you know, go ahead, what do I say?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 8: I mean, I kind of see both sides, and I

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Speaker 8: guess that's the thing that I'm looking for in this

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Speaker 8: documentary is.

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Speaker 3: All of these niggas were assholes.

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Speaker 8: Phil Jackson was an asshole, Michael Jordan was an asshole,

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Speaker 8: Scotty Pippin was an asshole, and they were punking this

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Speaker 8: nigga every day.

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Speaker 5: But but but he was.

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Speaker 7: He was on some bitch made ship though, And I

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Speaker 7: get why the assholes were being dicks to the That's

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Speaker 7: a lot of ship going on. I get why they

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Speaker 7: were treating him that way. Bro, I mean, I mean,

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Speaker 7: look at this. Scotty took a bad deal obviously, right,

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Speaker 7: you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 5: I get why.

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Speaker 7: Scotty was though, like he took the deal because you know,

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Speaker 7: you had two disabled people in the family.

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Speaker 5: You can't you can't take that real.

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Speaker 4: He took the deal because he knew eighteen million dollars

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Speaker 4: over seven years could take care of the bedrock basics

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Speaker 4: of what he needed to do for his family exactly.

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Speaker 7: But the dude was the second I mean the year,

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Speaker 7: the year that Jordan left, he took the bulls to

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Speaker 7: what a game with when in the game of beating

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Speaker 7: the Knicks who went to the finals that year, and

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Speaker 7: he's still like getting paid two point eight fucking million

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Speaker 7: and even tripped me out when Jordan was like, I

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Speaker 7: think Scotty was selfish. Jordan, you were getting thirty three

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Speaker 7: mel You deserved every fucking domes getting thirty.

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Speaker 4: Three mil plus nine figures in endorsements.

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Speaker 7: Yes, and that and that thirty three is worked. I

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Speaker 7: looked it up as fifty one. Now, Bro, you was

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Speaker 7: getting high.

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Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 7: You know, like that, dude, because that's that's that's that's

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Speaker 7: crazy talking about him selfish.

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Speaker 5: No, bro, like Scott, he was getting fucked And I

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Speaker 5: get why he didn't want to fuck his supper up.

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Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying that man so much seems

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Speaker 5: to be bro. If you're gonna fuck me over like that, okay,

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Speaker 5: I got something for you.

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Speaker 9: But I don't think you can overlook how mj never

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Speaker 9: sought to break the bank until his last couple of years.

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Speaker 9: Like he was he was about working with fucking management

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Speaker 9: and working the margins and so they can get the

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Speaker 9: most help they could get. So I can totally see

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Speaker 9: why he think Pip was being selfish there he was

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Speaker 9: on some function, but.

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Speaker 10: I can understand why he would think that.

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Speaker 7: But you know what, two point eight million I hear

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Speaker 7: that he was never making anything like he was one

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Speaker 7: hundred and twenty highest player paid player in the league, twenty.

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Speaker 4: Second highest paid player in the league.

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Speaker 5: Jordan was never that undervalue as far as when they

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Speaker 5: came to pay. Come on, but but es actually.

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Speaker 3: Though he was.

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Speaker 8: I mean, that was the thing, is that it was

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Speaker 8: easier to lock Scotty into that long term deal because

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Speaker 8: Michael wasn't getting money until those last three years. Michael Jordan,

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Speaker 8: I mean, you can't make more money than Michael Jordan.

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Speaker 8: You're right, because then the whole game is fucked up, right, right, right.

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Speaker 4: But at the same time, it's disingenuous to me for

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Speaker 4: mj to take that stance knowing I mean, you have

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Speaker 4: to assume he knows what what kind of a background

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Speaker 4: and family like Scotty's coming from. And then Jordan like

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Speaker 4: invented an industry that he was sitting at the top

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Speaker 4: of in terms of endorsements and shit like yeah, like.

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Speaker 5: Money, didn't he could get any kind of.

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Speaker 4: Money he wanted from anyone. The Bulls were probably like

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Speaker 4: third or fourth most in terms of people who were

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Speaker 4: paying it at that point.

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Speaker 10: Yeah.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, And then that that's a big reason why Mike

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Speaker 9: really didn't give a shit about fucking, you know, having

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Speaker 9: a super contract with the Bulls because he was the

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Speaker 9: most highest paid fucking athlete in the world, you know,

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Speaker 9: the endorsements during his run, so he wasn't hurting for shit.

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Speaker 7: I wonder how much Pippin was getting paid for his

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Speaker 7: endorsements too, because I used to love the fucking pipping,

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Speaker 7: like he said, Pipping had, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 5: So I wonder if he was getting paid good money.

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Speaker 7: Might even beiging fuck with that too, because Jordan's just

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Speaker 7: eating everything, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 5: And the.

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Speaker 4: Okay, hold on, here's a number that'll fucking slap you

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Speaker 4: in the face. In two thy nineteen, Michael Jordan made

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Speaker 4: one hundred and forty five million dollars in endorsements.

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Speaker 10: More than he ever made his career.

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Speaker 4: So a bot one hundred and forty five million dollars

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Speaker 4: in the year twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 3: That man is earning his money.

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Speaker 5: Yeah for sure. I mean, dude, he's earned every down,

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Speaker 5: That's what I'm saying. Like I get why, Like you know,

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Speaker 5: it's not like he should take less money so I

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Speaker 5: him can get paid no more.

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Speaker 7: No, Cross needs to figure that out to get Piping

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Speaker 7: in his money. You know, get get some of cool

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Speaker 7: coach money and all this ship. You know what I'm saying,

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Speaker 7: don't he don't need you don't need to get take

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Speaker 7: any of George.

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Speaker 5: But that's it's two point eight mel Bro, like when

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Speaker 5: you're I think at that point he was also in

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Speaker 5: the top fifty players of all time list, was it not?

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he was right.

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Speaker 5: That's crazy, dog. But like the quarterables and this ship

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Speaker 5: were crazy too, Bro, Like, I.

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Speaker 10: Mean, like, like, go ahead, you know what story.

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Speaker 9: I mean, it's it's a story that I read before,

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Speaker 9: but seeing it verbalized was fucking perfect. The rhyme storf

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Speaker 9: if I gave you ten pills and one of these

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Speaker 9: pills will kill you, that whole fucking back and.

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Speaker 7: Forth different so good depends on how bad headache.

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Speaker 5: Kids Like, this is not a normal human being.

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Speaker 7: He is fighting, and I think that's why he took

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Speaker 7: the lesson money too, because you saw like he approached

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Speaker 7: the game in the most fundamental way. I just want

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Speaker 7: to fucking win. We'll figure everything else out. Let y'all

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Speaker 7: handle that ship. Let me get out here and fucking

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Speaker 7: get these ws bro. And I mean that that was

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Speaker 7: interesting to see too. But uh, fucking Roy Williams bro

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Speaker 7: made me cry.

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Speaker 5: My gee, he made like I hear, I tear it

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Speaker 5: up when he what did you say? He said?

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Speaker 7: Michael Jordan was the only player that could ever turn

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Speaker 7: it on and off. And he never fucking he never

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Speaker 7: turned it and he never turned it off. Bro, you

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Speaker 7: know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: And I like, you know, he said, he never freaking

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Speaker 4: turned it off.

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Speaker 5: Roy is like freaking is That's that's that's a first

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Speaker 5: word for Roy Williams. You know what I mean. But

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Speaker 5: but Bro, like that ship was I mean, that was

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Speaker 5: I mean, and then and then what was really.

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Speaker 7: Interesting was how revered he was during like like while

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Speaker 7: they were still playing, like Bird was saying, like, only

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Speaker 7: only MS that could do that ship.

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Speaker 5: He just got torch for fifty forty eight and sixty

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Speaker 5: and he's saying, you know, he's still showing love.

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Speaker 3: Like you know, Larry Bird was at right.

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Speaker 5: Back me right, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 9: He said, He said, I have never seen Larry Bird

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Speaker 9: come up with anyone besides m J.

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Speaker 10: Magic. That's it he called.

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Speaker 4: He didn't just compliment MJ. He called him God when

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Speaker 4: he was twenty three years old, Bro, like he was

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Speaker 4: his second it's his second year in the fucking league.

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Speaker 7: He said, God disguised as Michael Jordan. What Bro, I mean, Like,

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Speaker 7: I don't I don't even know, Like what I I

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Speaker 7: knew it was gonna be good. But like the what

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Speaker 7: was really funny is how they just threw you in

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Speaker 7: and at a gift ship. It on at the beginning,

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Speaker 7: and it got him out of there for the rest.

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Speaker 7: He got dumped on three times, and he got shitted

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Speaker 7: on in the USC game, you know what I'm saying,

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Speaker 7: And then they got him.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you could go home, I know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: I guarantee you. He said yes to this ship, so

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Speaker 5: Also Jordan.

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Speaker 7: Also, Georgetown is a brand Jordan school. Michael Jordan owns

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Speaker 7: it's crazy, bro.

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Speaker 5: So can we hold on?

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Speaker 4: So can we talk just for a second about how

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Speaker 4: so he let them. He let the NBA film the

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Speaker 4: Adam silver Bro Like he just happened to be in

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Speaker 9: Twenty years later, don and and and then to dig

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Speaker 9: even deeper, the producer who pitched this ship in nineteen

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Speaker 10: He's Michael Thompson's brother. He's Klay Thompson's uncle.

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Speaker 9: And fucking mj agreed to this ship on a meeting

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Speaker 9: during the day of the Calves Parade in twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 5: What you said, you said, Lebron, had that man shut.

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Speaker 10: He might have heard footsteps. I mean, that's not let's

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Speaker 9: Y, like he doesn't give a shit about what what

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Speaker 5: That believe it was the parade and this gonna move

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Speaker 5: bro Bro, we gonna have some arguments going on. Dog.

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Speaker 7: I mean this is bro I mean he got him

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Speaker 4: He's been called the god in both episodes of the

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Speaker 7: I'm looking forward to get because he said he said

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Speaker 5: You know, I used to kind of like teeing it

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Speaker 7: Little uglier and even more like, you know, behind even

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Speaker 10: You know what I mean, it's coming, It's coming.

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Speaker 9: He's still in the he's still in the stage where

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Speaker 9: m J was that motherfucker that you know beat up

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Speaker 9: that motherfucker goes fucking you know, tyrannical on motherfuckers and

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Speaker 7: I really I'm surprised at how far it went back.

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Speaker 7: Like I love the flow of it. I thought it

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Speaker 10: It's great, dog dog.

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Speaker 9: Do you know how much I loved that fucking clip

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Speaker 10: Drop on im bad. But that holy shit that was.

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Speaker 5: Editing the production is crazy, bro. Like, I mean even.

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Speaker 7: Like them showing like him when he hit the shot

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Speaker 5: Bro, Like when he said when he said, like I.

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Speaker 7: Didn't even have time to be nervous, You're the only

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Speaker 7: didn't have time to be nervous. Motherfucker, Like you decide

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Speaker 7: like you need time to do that ship like you're

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Speaker 7: you're a freshman playing in a fucking national championship.

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Speaker 5: You know what I mean.

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Speaker 7: And then he talks afterwards and he sounds like, I mean, dude,

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Speaker 7: what was really odd was like I never imagine Michael

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Speaker 5: You feel me? Like it was interesting. He sounds like

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Speaker 7: He's showing this old footage you know, I mean stuff

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Speaker 7: I've never seen enough watched. I thought I've seen everything.

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Speaker 4: You know, the first episode, The first episode was like

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Speaker 4: I felt like I was ten years old, bro, honestly,

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Speaker 4: like like I didn't think you could make me like

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Speaker 4: Michael Jordan the way I liked him when I was

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Speaker 4: little like country ads, like innocent as Like it's just

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Speaker 4: seen these clips of Pippins like house that he grew

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Speaker 4: so special. When you talk about a team that like

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Speaker 4: I was thirteen fourteen, Like that was like the peak,

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Speaker 4: you know, like we all, I don't know, and I

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Speaker 5: Hours felt like five minutes.

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Speaker 3: Bro. Oh yeah.

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Speaker 8: I mean part of the work to me was like

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Speaker 8: a dickhead because Daddy told him that, Nigga, you don't

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Speaker 8: even know the difference between the Phillips and a flat head.

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Speaker 8: You know, Scotty Tippin loves his family because yo, you know,

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Speaker 8: I got two paralyzed people in my home. So then

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Speaker 4: And I felt like that was such an insight into

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Speaker 4: resent you know what Scotty was doing? And he like,

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Speaker 4: because how would you not be frustrated if you start

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Speaker 4: a you know, like a surefire champion. And I just

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Speaker 4: feel like when he said that, that's exactly his entire

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Speaker 5: I was I've been really wondering, like how much trauma

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Speaker 5: fuel's greatness, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 7: And like when he when he when you're talking about

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Speaker 7: I was like, is that is that what turn MJ

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Speaker 7: to him? Is that what turns Scotty to him? Like,

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Speaker 7: and I was thinking about Michael Jackson his ship prior

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Speaker 7: than like the early this week, but yeah, when they

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Speaker 7: showed us like damn, this is what made him like.

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Speaker 5: I will prove you motherfucker is wrong.

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Speaker 7: It's just love for his dad, his dad clowning the

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Speaker 7: ship out of you know what I'm saying, Like, well liked, but.

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Speaker 4: I also, you know, i'd heard some of the stories

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Speaker 4: important that was, Like, yeah, you know like that. It

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Speaker 4: was like, you know, the person I think, he said,

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Speaker 4: like right, He's like, how do you expect me to

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Speaker 10: I actually was very familiar with Larry Jordan.

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Speaker 9: I know that that's that He's the reason MJ would

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Speaker 9: wear forty five and shit and watch twenty three is

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Speaker 9: Larry Jordan is the only basketball player I've ever heard

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Speaker 9: i J really fucking compliment.

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Speaker 10: That's why I know.

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Speaker 7: But the way he talks about Pippin though, it was

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Speaker 7: interesting too when he said, you know, if you mentioned

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Speaker 5: I've never heard him talk about pipping like that before.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 8: The thing that I'm interested to see is if they

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Speaker 8: You're just rookie, you coming in here, You're just trying

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Speaker 8: Michael Jordan, terrorizing you every day.

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Speaker 11: Well, I heard a shimbout a man wi year he

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Speaker 7: And I heard a story about Scotty Pippen getting clown

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Speaker 7: Pippen's nose was spipping, left crying, and I don't know

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Speaker 8: A story in the Jordan rules, and I'll never forget it.

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Speaker 8: Scotty wanted to cancel practice because Horace Grant's cant.

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Speaker 3: Died and I said, Wow, that's the kind of niggas

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Speaker 7: That's a different Scotty that's the nigga that ain't fucking

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Speaker 4: Hey, Miles probably have my favorite tweet of the whole

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Speaker 4: evening when he said my favorite part of the documentary

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Speaker 12: Brook discussed at the thought that anybody would think he

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Speaker 4: Hey, that was my single favorite. Like that line to

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Speaker 4: me was when it was like, this documentary could be

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Speaker 4: fifty hours long, and if they've got Scottie Pippen saying

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Speaker 4: I'm not going to fuck my summer up on ESPN

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Speaker 4: in primetime, like, you can have as much of my

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Speaker 5: I would have watched all ten.

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Speaker 3: To night straight through, Bro Crack. I would just just

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Speaker 3: lines of it, right, what the fuck out?

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Speaker 8: I'm doing Sports Center breakdowns of a documentary and I would.

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Speaker 5: Have to work. I would have tapped in. I would

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Speaker 5: have tapp right in it as ship, Bro, it's that good.

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Speaker 5: I mean, it's okay. Hold on, so I got okay.

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Speaker 4: So I have to ask this question since since Myles

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Speaker 4: lines and everything, and so he said he turned around.

441
00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:57,959
Speaker 4: You know, he was like, all right, I gotta get

442
00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:00,320
Speaker 4: the fuck out of here. And I was surprised. Others

443
00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:03,359
Speaker 4: people on Twitter were like, oh, no way, Like, you know,

444
00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:05,320
Speaker 4: he's just trying to portray himself in a wholesome ware.

445
00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:10,200
Speaker 4: Like I totally believe that's yeah as any to me too, Definitely.

446
00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:13,200
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, I totally believe it because because MJ was

447
00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:16,080
Speaker 9: a dude who was fanatically obsessed with the very best.

448
00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:18,320
Speaker 9: He doesn't want coked that he doesn't know where it

449
00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:20,480
Speaker 9: came from. He doesn't want woman who took a taxi

450
00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:22,879
Speaker 9: cab to the sheriffs, and this motherfucker wants the world's

451
00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:25,080
Speaker 9: finest cigars in fucking nineteen eighties Madonna.

452
00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:27,200
Speaker 10: You know what I'm saying, Like, like, that's the type

453
00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:29,480
Speaker 10: of dude m J. Woods. I can totally believe that.

454
00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:32,040
Speaker 3: And plus what you do on lin BIA's done.

455
00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:34,960
Speaker 10: Oh you're right, he was eighty five.

456
00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:37,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it was right at that time.

457
00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:39,840
Speaker 3: So yeah, I'm a young country boy from North Carolina.

458
00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:41,840
Speaker 3: I see you nigga just died doing this shit. I'm good.

459
00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:44,920
Speaker 5: He probably ain't even he probably an't even seen coke yet.

460
00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:45,040
Speaker 4: Bro.

461
00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:48,040
Speaker 7: You know from where he's from, you know, being being

462
00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:50,680
Speaker 7: in the program in North Carolina. Bro, that motherfucker probably

463
00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:51,959
Speaker 7: ain't seen cold. It might have been the first time

464
00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:54,400
Speaker 7: he seen that. He was probably scared of scared shitless,

465
00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:55,800
Speaker 7: went home and folded his clothes.

466
00:21:56,040 --> 00:22:01,040
Speaker 5: Fucking fuck this, you know what I mean.

467
00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:03,280
Speaker 7: Take him some orange shoots and sprite, you know what

468
00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:06,680
Speaker 7: I'm saying. Like, Bro, I definitely believe that, man, But

469
00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:07,760
Speaker 7: that was it to me.

470
00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:09,920
Speaker 8: On the side of it, I could see the competitor,

471
00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:12,840
Speaker 8: Michael Jordan, being like, oh, all these niggas are cocaine.

472
00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:19,280
Speaker 5: Right, celebrating on the way home. You know, I love

473
00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:21,920
Speaker 5: this too. How's your transition been to the league? Pretty easy?

474
00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:28,639
Speaker 5: What put that in my fucking veins?

475
00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:29,000
Speaker 4: Bro?

476
00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:31,160
Speaker 5: I love that shit, man?

477
00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:34,640
Speaker 7: Like that's I mean, I mean, like like you said,

478
00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:36,840
Speaker 7: I think this laying the groundwork for like, you know,

479
00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:39,879
Speaker 7: for for for the when the ship gets you know,

480
00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:42,600
Speaker 7: kind of kind of heavy coming up. I'm excited about

481
00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:43,080
Speaker 7: that ship, bro.

482
00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:46,240
Speaker 4: But this is what's so exciting to me is those

483
00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,480
Speaker 4: two episodes, Like you said, John, I agree, they were

484
00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:51,800
Speaker 4: so my expectations were so high based on what everyone

485
00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:54,000
Speaker 4: who's seen the documentary had said about it, and it

486
00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:57,600
Speaker 4: was so much higher than those expectations. And what has

487
00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:01,000
Speaker 4: me excited is you don't ever talk about the first

488
00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:04,159
Speaker 4: twenty percent of a documentary that ended up being a

489
00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:07,000
Speaker 4: great documentary, Like that's never where the good ship is,

490
00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:10,399
Speaker 4: you know what I mean? Like these next eight hours

491
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:16,000
Speaker 4: are gonna be absolutely nuts, too fucking ready, Like I was.

492
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:19,400
Speaker 9: I was so concerned about ten hours because like I've

493
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:22,520
Speaker 9: got a shitty fucking attentions, man, Like I can't even

494
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:24,320
Speaker 9: give two hours of ship that I really like, you

495
00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:26,080
Speaker 9: know what you know?

496
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,120
Speaker 10: And this ship just flew by, Bro, and it's only

497
00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:29,840
Speaker 10: gonna get better.

498
00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:32,560
Speaker 4: The episode three is the Rodman episode.

499
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:36,680
Speaker 5: Yep, yep, yep, Pistons. You know what I'm saying. That's

500
00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:38,280
Speaker 5: gonna be. That's gonna be good as fuck, Bro, That's

501
00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:41,400
Speaker 5: gonna be great. Tell you said somebout that, you said

502
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:42,640
Speaker 5: it's a bad boy episode.

503
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:42,840
Speaker 4: Or some shit?

504
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:46,160
Speaker 9: Oh it's I mean, you can't tell you know, Rodman's

505
00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:49,040
Speaker 9: bull story without telling the Piston story and the Bad

506
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:51,960
Speaker 9: Boys Piston story and howiss the Bad Boys mean? Three

507
00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:55,200
Speaker 9: and one versus you know, fucking MJ for four straight postseasons,

508
00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:57,119
Speaker 9: Like you can't gloss any of that shit over.

509
00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,120
Speaker 10: So that shit is gonna say Twitter on fucking fire.

510
00:23:59,160 --> 00:23:59,680
Speaker 3: I'm sure of it.

511
00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:02,399
Speaker 7: Then you said Nigga's gonna be argument, Nigga's gonna be

512
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:06,160
Speaker 7: We was, We was all a happy family today because

513
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:07,600
Speaker 7: we just happen to get some off. We're gonna get

514
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:10,600
Speaker 7: back right back to it, to the real Twitter next week.

515
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:13,000
Speaker 7: We're gonna be on the other's heads.

516
00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:15,720
Speaker 5: You feel me? But bro, Like, yeah, I mean, I

517
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,560
Speaker 5: just I don't think. I don't know if they could have.

518
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,639
Speaker 7: Done any better of these first two episodes, Like like,

519
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:25,879
Speaker 7: I'm sad that you that it's only ten you know

520
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:26,680
Speaker 7: what I'm saying.

521
00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:31,320
Speaker 8: Like, yeah, crazy, I mean, O J O J doc

522
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:35,119
Speaker 8: is still the gold standard in my house, just because

523
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:36,679
Speaker 8: of the way I've.

524
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:37,119
Speaker 5: Never seen it.

525
00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:38,040
Speaker 3: I've never seen it.

526
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:41,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, I never watched.

527
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:44,000
Speaker 10: It's it's it's so much bigger than OJ.

528
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:47,280
Speaker 9: It's fucking you know, the nineties, it's it's it's it's

529
00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:53,200
Speaker 9: post integration populations, it's it's it's a documentary on race

530
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,080
Speaker 9: relations first and foremost, and.

531
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 10: And OJ is the one being.

532
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:00,600
Speaker 3: It might be the best thing I've ever seen.

533
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 4: Like just if you were to just take it as

534
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 4: a short film about like race relations in southern California,

535
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:11,119
Speaker 4: it might be the best, the best like piece ever

536
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 4: done on that subject. And it's about a football player, you.

537
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 3: Know what I mean.

538
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:18,399
Speaker 8: I mean that's why I think it'll always like just personally,

539
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:21,360
Speaker 8: it'll still no matter how good this is, OJ will

540
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 8: be better just because of the ship that they tackle

541
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 8: with in that.

542
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 3: But it was cool to see just.

543
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:30,320
Speaker 8: How much detail and emotional you know, groundwork they're laying

544
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:32,719
Speaker 8: here for this thing that justified be in ten hours.

545
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:35,080
Speaker 8: Because yeah, at first it sounds like my nigga, like

546
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:37,480
Speaker 8: I don't come flag with me. That ship was forty

547
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:38,199
Speaker 8: five minutes, like.

548
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:43,960
Speaker 5: Right right right, right right right, Like it's so good

549
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 5: that I was I was like, I need to research

550
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:48,439
Speaker 5: who's behind this, you know.

551
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 7: What I'm saying, Like who's the director like that that's what, Like,

552
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 7: who's the art director, who's the producer?

553
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 5: You know, who did the fucking score on this ship?

554
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 7: Like I'm thinking that ship like when the music switched

555
00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:01,639
Speaker 7: and that fucking that selt that's the Celtics bullshit when

556
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:04,200
Speaker 7: he went off for forty nine. I'm like, Okay, you

557
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 7: know what I'm saying, Like, Okay, you know what i mean, Like, uh,

558
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 7: there's there's parts where I'm just like, who like the

559
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:13,720
Speaker 7: creativity behind it, how the story is being told.

560
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 5: It's just so perfect to me.

561
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 8: How hard it is to like make something, you know,

562
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,399
Speaker 8: I mean just all the stakeholders that are involved in

563
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:25,119
Speaker 8: this where you know, you got the n B A, ESPN, Michael,

564
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 8: his people, all these all these people you have to

565
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 8: bring together and you.

566
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 3: Have to you have to answer to all of their feedback.

567
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:36,199
Speaker 8: But still keep your creative integrity and tell a story

568
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 8: that's that's cool here that is wildly complicated too.

569
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:44,359
Speaker 4: Like the writer director listed on it is, I have

570
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 4: no idea how I pronounced his last name of Jason Hare.

571
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 4: And the previous docks he did for ESPN, he did

572
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 4: the Fab five doc, he did the eighty five Bears,

573
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,879
Speaker 4: he did Bernie and Ernie and Down in the Valley.

574
00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 4: So I've seen joint too, yes, yeah, and Andre So

575
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 4: I mean like that's a he's coming out of the

576
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 4: pretty good.

577
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 9: Yeah sure, and you know, looking at you know, his

578
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 9: body of work. But going off of this, I think

579
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:14,879
Speaker 9: that this dropping twenty years later, like it's it hit it.

580
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 9: You can dig so much deeper than you would have

581
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 9: if you would have dropped this ninety eight or ninety nine,

582
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,199
Speaker 9: because you've got the mythology of MG that's been built up,

583
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:23,399
Speaker 9: you know, the last twenty years. You know, the fucking

584
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 9: you know, the bullet points to hit, you know, the

585
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 9: fucking foundations of his of his legend that hit the

586
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 9: layers appealed back for.

587
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 10: And it seems like they're hitting all of that shit.

588
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 9: So like, you know, like I said, this wouldn't be

589
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:35,359
Speaker 9: the same documentary if we got it you know, a

590
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:37,119
Speaker 9: year you know after Yeah, I.

591
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:40,159
Speaker 4: Mean, I just think knowing where everyone's story's then changes

592
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:43,120
Speaker 4: the story too. I mean, the Jerry Krouse Phil Jackson

593
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:46,159
Speaker 4: beef has such a different light after the way that

594
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 4: Phil Jackson's career went on. And obviously we saw what

595
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,160
Speaker 4: happened with the Bulls after the you know Jerry Crow

596
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:54,919
Speaker 4: saying that a player doesn't win a win championships. Well,

597
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:56,640
Speaker 4: we saw what happened to the Bulls when they lost

598
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 4: the fucking player, you know what I mean. So I

599
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 4: feel like that like that changed significantly, and I just

600
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 4: feel like I don't know that like we were talking

601
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:07,639
Speaker 4: in the group chat about MJ talking about, you know,

602
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:12,119
Speaker 4: growing up in North Carolina and racism, and like, I

603
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 4: don't think I've ever seen him talk openly about any

604
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 4: of these subjects the way he is in the dock,

605
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:21,119
Speaker 4: and like he never would have talked about dudes in

606
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 4: nineteen ninety nine.

607
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,200
Speaker 8: Never You see all of these little things, Like I

608
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 8: remember there was a Playboy interview from like the late

609
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:29,399
Speaker 8: eighties early nineties.

610
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,680
Speaker 3: And he talked about the racism and how he used

611
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 3: to hate white people.

612
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:36,119
Speaker 8: And I remember, yeah, yeah, I can find it for you.

613
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 8: I'll send it to you later. And it was also

614
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 8: you know, I've heard the cocaine and the drugs sort.

615
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 8: But it's just that you have all of these things

616
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 8: together in one place, and he's willing to expound on

617
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 8: that shit. That it took me thirty years to scrabble

618
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 8: all of this shit together. I'm about to get it

619
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 8: all in ten hours. It's wonderful, it's great. I'm excited

620
00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 8: about it next week, bro.

621
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 4: Man, I don't know what, like, what are you guys

622
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 4: excited to see over the rest of the document. You

623
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 4: mentioned the Bad Boys shit, Tyler, but I mean, what, like,

624
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 4: what what other stories can you because they went so

625
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 4: much more in depth on Pippin's situation and m J.

626
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 4: The minute the minutes restrictions for MJ was the like

627
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 4: that was one of the most fascinating parts of the

628
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 4: first two hours for me, you know what I mean? So, like,

629
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 4: what what ship do you know is coming that you

630
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 4: can't wait to see them go deeper on.

631
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 9: I wonder, I wonder if they're gonna hit on his

632
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 9: his sneaker deal because m J, to me, is is

633
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 9: the fucking you know, the the the revolutionary when it

634
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 9: comes to sports marketing athletes like there was you know,

635
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 9: it's it's before m J and post m J when

636
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 9: you fucking look at the way athletes will market it.

637
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 9: So I wonder if they're gonna hit that. And you know,

638
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 9: the biggest legacy to me about m J is is

639
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 9: you know, I won't argue with anyone who's the best

640
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 9: player of all time. I mean, I probably would like

641
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 9: because I think brom But you know that's besides the point.

642
00:29:56,240 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 9: I respect your nions about. I think the thing about

643
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 9: m J is he shifted the philosophy of basketball professional

644
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 9: basketball in the NBA to where you didn't need a

645
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 9: dominant big like like he shifted the whole fucking focus

646
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 9: of professional basketball to you know, a perimeter player focus league.

647
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 9: Like like without m J, I'm not sure if if

648
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 9: we get the same KDKD might have been started studying

649
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 9: a Lodji Want film or some ship, you know what

650
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 9: I mean.

651
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 10: I think that's MJ's biggest Let see, I'm not sure

652
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 10: if they're gonna hit on that.

653
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 5: What what why do you why do you think that?

654
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 7: Well, I know, I know he was winning a fucking

655
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 7: Luke Longe and Ben what Bill Winnington. But I'm saying, like,

656
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 7: but like, what what what makes you think he shifted

657
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 7: it in that?

658
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 3: Why?

659
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 7: Why do you think that people are going to uh

660
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 7: like like Durant, it's not playing in the paint because

661
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 7: of m J.

662
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 10: Can I jump in out?

663
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, I said Michael Jordan was.

664
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 8: I mean, think about Elija one, David Robinson, Patrick Ewing,

665
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 8: Alonzo Mourning to Ken Babe.

666
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 3: But Tumbo, I'm.

667
00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 8: Sure there's about three four month the other guys. I'm

668
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 8: forgetting that. It just all NBA Hall of Fame First

669
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 8: team senters. Michael Jordan was the best most player in

670
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 8: the league, don't Oh, And I mean if Michael Jordan

671
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 8: wasn't winning those championships then, yet we would still be

672
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 8: valuing big men like that. If Michael Jordan wasn't winning

673
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 8: those championships, you wouldn't have Kobe Bryant's, Allen Iverson's, Vince

674
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 8: Carter's Tracy Ye yep, because the old thinking would have

675
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 8: justified itself big men win championships.

676
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 3: Oh look at that guy. He scored all those points,

677
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 3: but he didn't win anything.

678
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 4: Right, Well, I mean you had one of the craziest

679
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 4: clip sequences I've ever seen in the documentary that culminated

680
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 4: with Mark Eaton saying, well, I mean he's only six

681
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 4: foot six, you know what I mean, Like he can't

682
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 4: carry a franchise because an other anyone under seven foot.

683
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 3: Like, they just could.

684
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 4: They didn't know how to see people that way like that.

685
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 4: Those clips were crazy. I mean, even knowing how different

686
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 4: the league was thirty years ago, it's just crazy seeing

687
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 4: like I think even the dude from the Bulls that

688
00:31:58,640 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 4: well obviously.

689
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, that was wow.

690
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 3: You remember the one with Bobby Knight after the Olympics.

691
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 8: Uh huh, Jordan was I forget who the context was

692
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 8: coming from, who the story was told by, but they

693
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 8: were talking to Bobby Knight. Michael Jordan had joined the

694
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 8: Olympic team, and you know, he was like, Yo, this

695
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 8: Michael Jordan guy, he's really good and he's Bobby Knight,

696
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 8: you know, hate mass.

697
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 3: It's just like yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll see.

698
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 8: By like the third or fourth practice, Bobby Knight came

699
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:33,959
Speaker 8: back to dude and was like, Yo, Michael Jordan has

700
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 8: to go number one. And then it was just like

701
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 8: but the so and sos are number one. They don't

702
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 8: they have a They need a center, he said, playing

703
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 8: that center. Wow, Bobby Knight said this, Yes, that is crazy. Dog,

704
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 8: you said, I only know him for hating. I've never

705
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 8: heard say anything good about anybody, you know what I'm saying.

706
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 5: So that's crazy.

707
00:32:58,040 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 10: Yeah, that's wow.

708
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 5: But yeah, like that's one thing.

709
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 7: It showed like I was thinking of something where, you know,

710
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 7: almost we've been showing to Georgian Ship over the last

711
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 7: few weeks, and I've been watching a bunch of clips

712
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 7: and shit like that, but it was showing like this

713
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 7: shot chart and where he you know, it would get

714
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 7: red hot. You know where he's getting his buckets, and

715
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 7: we know where he got his point buckets by never

716
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:17,959
Speaker 7: putting my thought of myself to myself like him say

717
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 7: was the best post player in the league, never.

718
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 5: Came to my I never thought that. But yeah, I

719
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 5: mean shit that that.

720
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 7: I mean that fade away bro, Like he was backing

721
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 7: people down and get money for three years. Bro, you

722
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 7: know what I'm saying, Like, I mean like and.

723
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 5: You couldn't keep him out of his spot. He always

724
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 5: got to his spot. Bro, and d saw I saw

725
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 5: what was like a that video that that went viral

726
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 5: him do it shooting fadeaways? Bro?

727
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 7: That ship was poetry put that put Miles Davis behind

728
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 7: that motherfucker, you know what I'm saying. And you could

729
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 7: sell that ship to me, you know what I'm saying,

730
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 7: Like that ship was beautiful, like but he always got

731
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 7: to his spot and it was and you couldn't do

732
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 7: nothing about it.

733
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 5: He went both ways just as easy. It was unstoppable,

734
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying.

735
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 4: It was.

736
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 5: It was just as his fading away to me, is

737
00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 5: just as dominant as a skyhook. You know what I'm saying.

738
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 8: He could go left or right shoulder and you step

739
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 8: on that. He's got the counter where he does this

740
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 8: step through through the lane. You bring another guy up

741
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 8: he's passing it around you.

742
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 3: He was a center.

743
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 7: I saw him give somebody like four moves at the

744
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 7: paint like. I was like, there they were like they

745
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:18,760
Speaker 7: were talking about how he gave somebody buckets.

746
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 5: I was like, that was good.

747
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 7: D Michael Jordan, he had he had a nigga three

748
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:25,800
Speaker 7: three or four moves after the third move, it's a

749
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:26,800
Speaker 7: rap for anybody.

750
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 5: Bro, you know what I'm saying, Like, but but it's

751
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 5: just he gonna get his off every time. There's no

752
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:35,319
Speaker 5: stopping them. And it was just bro man like, yeah,

753
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, it makes sense best post playally, I

754
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 5: never thought about that, but that's a great way to

755
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 5: put it.

756
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:45,359
Speaker 10: But all right, j was apant man.

757
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 5: You're talking about the second the second coast.

758
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 9: Coast first retirement, a fucking artist out there though I

759
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 9: was crazy.

760
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,919
Speaker 7: I mean yeah, everybody knew what was coming. Nobody could

761
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,800
Speaker 7: do a single thing about it. Everybody it was coming.

762
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 8: I mean, that was the thing that was so interesting

763
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 8: to me. I remember, I forget who I was talking

764
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 8: to about it, but everybody for like from what nineteen

765
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 8: ninety eight when he left till about I don't know,

766
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:15,800
Speaker 8: two thousand, let's say five six dish when when Lebron

767
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 8: really came on the scene, everybody was trying to be

768
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 8: that Jordan guy and it wasn't working. And you saw

769
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 8: a lot of dudes taking inefficient mid range shots. And

770
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 8: because of that, then the nerds were just like, Yo,

771
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:30,319
Speaker 8: this is not an efficient shot.

772
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,320
Speaker 3: We should be shooting threes or layups.

773
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 8: Because for a decade niggas tried to be Michael Jordan

774
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 8: and couldn't do it well.

775
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:39,919
Speaker 3: Michael Jordan, he shot that shot, those shots.

776
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 8: Triple pump fits, pivots left right, shoulder up and up

777
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 8: at fifty percent in the mid range.

778
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 5: I mean, I don't even know what to.

779
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 9: Yeah, I was gonna say, like like like you know,

780
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 9: I'm heaping praised on fucking m J two point zh

781
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 9: like I said, he was a fucking artist out there.

782
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 9: But something we have to consider that the nuance we

783
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,839
Speaker 9: have to take into account here is that that would

784
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 9: have worked today and with that squad and and and

785
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:10,439
Speaker 9: the defensive rules, right, like like you go a zone

786
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 9: in where a motherfucking cheat off Randy Brown when MJ

787
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 9: goes in in the back down mode, What the fucking MJ?

788
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 10: You know what I'm saying. So, but yeah, but yall.

789
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 9: You know, like I said, I'm not an old discrediting MJ.

790
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 9: You play with the rules that are presented to you.

791
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:24,360
Speaker 9: But you know, just a little know how some motherfuckers

792
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 9: who could say that. I'm not sure if MJ. I mean,

793
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 9: I think m J would have figured some shit out

794
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:30,799
Speaker 9: regardless of the defensive ruises.

795
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:31,839
Speaker 10: He was that fucking good.

796
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 9: I'm not sure that we would have seemed the same

797
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 9: iteration that we saw, you know, the m J two

798
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:39,840
Speaker 9: point z Today's NBA with the defensive I.

799
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:41,800
Speaker 8: Wonder what the rest of the team would look like,

800
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 8: because like that, Luke Longley ain't cutting it.

801
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 4: No.

802
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 8: You know, like you might be able to put a

803
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 8: Dennis Robin and play a Draymond role and put him

804
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:52,359
Speaker 8: at center, but that would mean, you know, he would

805
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 8: have to do that Draymond thing where he handles the

806
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 8: ball and opens its floor up for the rest of

807
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:57,879
Speaker 8: the players. And I don't think he was that kind

808
00:36:57,920 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 8: of guy.

809
00:36:58,840 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 3: It's just.

810
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 8: You try and think about it. Like yo, Michael Jordan

811
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:06,240
Speaker 8: was very fundamentally sound, most fundamentally sound player in the league.

812
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 8: Michael Jordan had a crazy first step, He had crazy

813
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 8: balance where he could just he could still be pulling

814
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:15,840
Speaker 8: up for those mid range shots, but who are the

815
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 8: other four dudes around him? And then how is the

816
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,359
Speaker 8: defense playing him based on that where there's just too

817
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 8: many variables to constitute for.

818
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 4: I think the I mean the other aspect obviously, like

819
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 4: the game has just changed so much in terms of

820
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 4: the way people score. Like not a single game in

821
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 4: the finals that year did either the Bulls or the

822
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 4: Jazz hit one hundred points, including the game that went

823
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:38,320
Speaker 4: to overtime.

824
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 3: You know what I mean, I think one game four?

825
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean, yes, yes, there was.

826
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 4: The overtime game was eighty eight eighty five.

827
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.

828
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 5: I mean that, I mean he said I could see MJ.

829
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:58,800
Speaker 4: Into in the if he were coming up now, I

830
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 4: could see him also suggesting his game to where he

831
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:01,839
Speaker 4: was shooting more.

832
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:05,800
Speaker 10: You mean yeah, I mean.

833
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 5: Even yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, okay.

834
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah.

835
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 9: I was gonna say even if you look at today's NBA,

836
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 9: you know m J two point zero dumperts are on

837
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 9: it because the whole you know, back put your back

838
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 9: to a player so he doesn't know which way you're turning.

839
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 9: Then you get a bucket right off the fatal That's

840
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 9: something that a lot of players have in their bag,

841
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 9: but it's not the MJ. You know, come up back

842
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 9: to you, take fucking you know, ten dribbles and back

843
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 9: your glass down so I gets to my spot.

844
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying.

845
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 9: When they turn their back, you gotta right right, you

846
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 9: gotta go with score mode because you know the help

847
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 9: of it might come be coming.

848
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 10: So yeah, but I mean it's just a little shit

849
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 10: like that. It's kind of how you can see the

850
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:41,720
Speaker 10: evolution of the game in progress.

851
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 5: But we see him take two hard dribbles, fake one

852
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 5: way and go to other on real quick. So yeah,

853
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, he would, he would.

854
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 7: He would milk the shot clock and and back a

855
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 7: motherfucking down and abuse him on the pivot too. But

856
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 7: we'd also see him take a take a harduble one way,

857
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 7: you know, throw the shoulder a little another way, and

858
00:38:58,600 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 7: then fade back.

859
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 5: To that his shoulder, you know what I mean.

860
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:04,360
Speaker 10: So like I mean, stopped from it.

861
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 9: Ye, saying stop on the dome fade away was just

862
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 9: as lethal ass is back you down, you know, yeah,

863
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:10,359
Speaker 9: And I mean.

864
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 10: Heap and then stop on a dimond and get.

865
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 5: And he stops on the first step. Is crazy.

866
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 7: He stops, stops on a don and goes straight up. Bro,

867
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 7: he's not fading forward. Bro, that's how strong, and you

868
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 7: know it's supposed to. He was going straight up. Somebody

869
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 7: got a hand in his face. He just wait for

870
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 7: you to go down. He's still up there and he

871
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 7: shoots that motherfucker when you know when you when you

872
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:31,399
Speaker 7: run out.

873
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, like, Bro, I mean, it's just.

874
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 7: I mean, it's it's it made me feel like a kid,

875
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,359
Speaker 7: like you said, like you said, Mike, it shit made

876
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:42,840
Speaker 7: me feel like I felt the same way I felt

877
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 7: for a second, like watching Mike.

878
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, Like, God damn, Like my

879
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,919
Speaker 5: sister hit me up, She's like im mis watching him play, right,

880
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 5: you know, it made you feel like you felt as

881
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:54,959
Speaker 5: a child.

882
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:58,360
Speaker 4: You know you you could taste the lemon Lin gatorade

883
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:02,399
Speaker 4: in the back right, you know, the Ecdo cooler high seed.

884
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 7: You know what I'm saying, Like, you know, honey body,

885
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 7: but yeah, what you said, you're saying something else.

886
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 8: I mean, I wonder what a Michael Jordan would be

887
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 8: like right now, Like that same dude can't exist right

888
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 8: now just because of like imagine Michael Jordan on social

889
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 8: media you know.

890
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 4: That.

891
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean he might be like a KD kind

892
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:32,879
Speaker 8: of dude, or he might be like the Kobe kind

893
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 8: of dudes. You know, he's either gonna be on there

894
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:37,400
Speaker 8: arguing with niggas like Yo, what'd you say about me?

895
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 8: Or it's not I ain't got time for that. I'm

896
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 8: gonna go work. But just the way you would cover

897
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 8: him now, knowing the way that he treated people, it

898
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 8: would I wonder how long he could continue doing that.

899
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 4: I think he would, Yes, I mean, I think that's

900
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 4: such a great point. Like I could very much see

901
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 4: him being like Kobe's probably the only dude I can

902
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:02,879
Speaker 4: really think of who's controlled the way his narrative went

903
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:06,319
Speaker 4: for as long as he did, Like, I can see

904
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 4: him doing that. I can see him not on social

905
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 4: media except to drop sixty second videos like for Nike

906
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 4: right before a playoff game or something. I can see

907
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 4: him starting a media company, you know what I mean,

908
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 4: Like he's not being quoted in anything he doesn't own.

909
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,880
Speaker 10: But yeah, I mean I.

910
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,360
Speaker 5: Can't see he was so famous, and I feel like

911
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 5: he was.

912
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:31,919
Speaker 4: I wasn't as conscious of it at the time because

913
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 4: I was a kid, But I think now you can

914
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:35,799
Speaker 4: look back and see, like he also invented this kind

915
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 4: of fame, right, and I think that like all of

916
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 4: these dudes are kind of in the wake of what

917
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 4: he was, but like they don't have private no one

918
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 4: has privacy, like he was famous, but he could still

919
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 4: like you said, he go to the casino and no

920
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 4: one was writing about it there, you know, no one

921
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:53,799
Speaker 4: was filming it or whatever, and so yeah, I mean,

922
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:57,720
Speaker 4: I it's you can see how much everything has changed

923
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 4: from Like I love that they started the doc at

924
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 4: the beginning of his career because I just feel like

925
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:04,799
Speaker 4: you can kind of trace the development of the NBA

926
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 4: through him, and you know, I mean David Stern talked

927
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 4: about that, like in the documentary, you know what I mean,

928
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 4: like this was a special moment in time, and he

929
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 4: knew the Bulls last season together that like they changed

930
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:19,720
Speaker 4: everything about the way the league would be forever.

931
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 8: I mean, it was also interesting just because like while

932
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 8: there was no social media, you could still make an

933
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 8: argument that like he got more attention now or then

934
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 8: than dudes do now. Absolute yeah, yeah, And when towards

935
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 8: the end or at least towards the end of that

936
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 8: that first run, like That's still some of the worst

937
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 8: shit that I think anybody's ever gone through. Somebody murdered

938
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:49,800
Speaker 8: my father and then niggas said that it was my

939
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:52,360
Speaker 8: fault because of my gambling dead. So not only do

940
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 8: I welch on my bets apparently and I have a

941
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:58,720
Speaker 8: gambling problem, but he got my father murdered.

942
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:04,800
Speaker 9: Like I can't get multi millionaire, right, fucking multi millionaire

943
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:06,799
Speaker 9: mj can to pay off whatever game was that. But yeah,

944
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 9: I always hated that, that fucking you know, those conspiracy theories.

945
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 9: That shit was always disgusting to me.

946
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 4: That Bill Simmons fucking conspiracy theory, that Bill Simmons wants

947
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:18,319
Speaker 4: to be fucking like qan on about and shit.

948
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 7: Bro.

949
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm with you one hundred percent on that.

950
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 4: But I think absolutely, like to an extent miles to

951
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 4: your point, Like, I think there was sort of an

952
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 4: apex at the time that he was really famous, because

953
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 4: I mean it was still only like at my house,

954
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 4: we only had four channels, you know what I mean,

955
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 4: Like Michael Jordan was on all of them. I just

956
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:42,840
Speaker 4: don't think I mean, you talk about Michael Jackson, Michael

957
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 4: Jordan like everyone in the nineties, mass media really became

958
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:49,320
Speaker 4: a thing, but there was still so few channels compared

959
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 4: to what it is now. I mean, like even even

960
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 4: just as documentary is the first time since uh probably

961
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:58,359
Speaker 4: since Game of Thrones ended that it felt like most

962
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:00,800
Speaker 4: people I knew were watching the same thing at the

963
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:03,319
Speaker 4: same time, you know, Whereas when we were all growing up,

964
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:05,840
Speaker 4: that's how life always was all the time, Like the

965
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 4: Simpsons came out at eight o'clock, you know, whatever your

966
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 4: show was, like, that's what everyone was watching. And now

967
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:13,319
Speaker 4: there's so many different options. Like I don't know how

968
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 4: you ever, I guess Braun is really the only dude

969
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 4: you could even put in that category. But I mean

970
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 4: it's just you see, like the way it was when

971
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 4: he had people in France like calling him God in

972
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:27,760
Speaker 4: the language he didn't speak, and you know, like fainting

973
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 4: and ship running after him.

974
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 5: Like, I don't know, that's that's different, you know, didn't

975
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:33,839
Speaker 5: Did everybody have WGN though?

976
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 3: Did we?

977
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:35,840
Speaker 5: I think at that's how we.

978
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 7: Had I remember I had shocked Chicago television in fucking

979
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:42,799
Speaker 7: Tennessee and Alabama, bro, Like it's crazy.

980
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 10: Every game WG, Yeah, WGN.

981
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:48,840
Speaker 9: WGN was under the same fucking umbrella as a Tribune medium,

982
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 9: which was what TBS is under. So you know TBS

983
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 9: is like your Atlanta National, you know, local station, and

984
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 9: WGN was your Chicago national local station. Yeah, we had

985
00:44:57,520 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 9: that ship here.

986
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 5: Everybody had it. He was all I mean, so like

987
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 5: I remember we were talking about the eighty one point game.

988
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:05,399
Speaker 7: We couldn't we couldn't see because you know, like dude,

989
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 7: we saw every Jordan game because they were all on GM.

990
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 5: We all had access to that ship.

991
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was lead fans before league fans.

992
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 5: Right, that's what people.

993
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 4: About, the only team that you would have wanted lead

994
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 4: pass for, right, right, stars aligned on that.

995
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:24,759
Speaker 3: Bit to say, say the fucking least like.

996
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 4: Interesting watching high school kids, you guys know, like we

997
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,319
Speaker 4: cover a lot of high school basketball players. It's been

998
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:39,320
Speaker 4: interesting watching young kids react to this because at this point,

999
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 4: you know, I mean, these kids in high school and college,

1000
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 4: like they don't it's not even that they were babies,

1001
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:46,879
Speaker 4: Like they were flat out we're not alive for this ship,

1002
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:48,800
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. The number one thing I

1003
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 4: saw people saying was, I think, if you're a kid, now,

1004
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 4: the only thing you know about Michael Jordan was like

1005
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:55,880
Speaker 4: he had a killer instinct that he'd always hit a

1006
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:57,800
Speaker 4: big shot. But I saw a ton of kids just

1007
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 4: tweeting about like I didn't know he had that kind

1008
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:03,320
Speaker 4: of athleticism. Like I think that's what's really caught the

1009
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:06,360
Speaker 4: generation that didn't see him off guard was the clip

1010
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:08,840
Speaker 4: of him The number one thing I saw him tweeting

1011
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 4: about was the clip of him hitting his head on

1012
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:15,279
Speaker 4: the backboard. Oh bro, he got a jump shot with it.

1013
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 4: He was releasing at the height of the rim, like

1014
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:18,799
Speaker 4: I mean, dude, like.

1015
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.

1016
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 5: The athleticism he had, Like that's some Zion ship, you

1017
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 5: know what I mean, Like we saw Zion. They were

1018
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 5: like to the Oh Ship, Like you know what I mean.

1019
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 7: But like the athleticism that he had, Like the league

1020
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:34,399
Speaker 7: didn't really catch up until like maybe four years ago,

1021
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 7: and he still would be an alien now, you know

1022
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:38,879
Speaker 7: what I'm saying.

1023
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 8: The thing is he gets discounted because you know, you

1024
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 8: see him playing against some old white dude in some

1025
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 8: short shorts, and you just like, you know, yeah, he

1026
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 8: looked like he was in gym class, so you think, oh, well,

1027
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 8: he wouldn't do that now because everybody's like that now

1028
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 8: now he's still a step faster he still gets up higher, and.

1029
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:59,719
Speaker 3: He still has those big ass hands, dug like half

1030
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:01,840
Speaker 3: he's hands.

1031
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 9: He's the best mid air adjuster in the history of

1032
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 9: the fucking NBA. Nobody can initiate contact and and you

1033
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 9: know also the course of their shot and drop that

1034
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 9: ship better than m J could ever.

1035
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 7: Dude, you like those up and unders. He would clap

1036
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:20,719
Speaker 7: his hands. I mean, you see motherfucker's doing that ship

1037
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:23,320
Speaker 7: in the wreck. You don't see that ship done in

1038
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 7: fucking games, bro with defense, like.

1039
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:29,319
Speaker 3: Like I hit myself in the face one.

1040
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:34,280
Speaker 5: Like it's not normal. He's just playing.

1041
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:36,839
Speaker 7: There was that once every when he came up, went

1042
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:39,400
Speaker 7: down and shot that shit with one hand on his uh,

1043
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:42,880
Speaker 7: adjusting and air shot it with his right hand like

1044
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 7: one handed, like got the file off glass.

1045
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 5: I'm like, nigga, nobody's doing that.

1046
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 7: And the guy said he's like Jordan would go up

1047
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:52,399
Speaker 7: and just adjust and decide he wanted to do something

1048
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:54,880
Speaker 7: else mid motion, Like it's not normal.

1049
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:57,319
Speaker 5: You know, that's that ship that can't be taunt Bro,

1050
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 5: that's just like a a freak of your athlete.

1051
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 7: He was an alien, bro. So but anyway, I'm excited

1052
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:06,399
Speaker 7: about next week.

1053
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 5: We have a lot to look forward to. Man, you

1054
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 5: feel me, So I'm a holla. Y'all. Boys, were were good,

1055
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:14,760
Speaker 5: We were done. We google that episode.

1056
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 4: Oh a quick shout out if you're listening to this

1057
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 4: and you are not already on our patreon, we have

1058
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 4: a bunch of like thirty episodes, John, I think some

1059
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 4: like that like patreon dot com slash Jenkins and Jones.

1060
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:31,880
Speaker 4: Five bucks gets you all that shit. We put one up.

1061
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 4: I haven't even put the link out on social media yet,

1062
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 4: but if you want to hear Tyler and John roast

1063
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 4: me for not getting dessert at the cheesecake factory for

1064
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 4: a half hour.

1065
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:44,840
Speaker 5: It didn't get cheesecake at the fucking cheesecake factory.

1066
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 3: Bro five dollars, you have somewhere to be.

1067
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 7: Oh, man, his wife hit me up. His wife hit

1068
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 7: me up. It was like yo talking about the cheesecake factory.

1069
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 5: I went out with Mike one time and he didn't

1070
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 5: want cheesecake at the cheesecake factory, so she was so

1071
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 5: she got to leave without getting cheese cake at the

1072
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:07,880
Speaker 5: cheese factory. That is horrible.

1073
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 8: Do you go to McDonald's right right the steak, get

1074
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 8: the steak, Get the steak, biscuit at McDonald's.

1075
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 5: Bro, that's fucking crazy listening to this.

1076
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 4: You know we need the five dollars on Patreon because

1077
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:24,880
Speaker 4: I just open myself back up for that ship.

1078
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 5: A week after we already did that episode. So all right,

1079
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 5: for sure, appreciate you, moms man. It's been great.

1080
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 8: Man.

1081
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 3: I appreciate you, Jumping boy. It was great talking to y'all.

1082
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:36,799
Speaker 10: Man.

1083
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 3: I'm looking forward to two more conversations.

1084
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:41,880
Speaker 10: For so for so for boys.

1085
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 3: Appreciate you, all right.

1086
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:49,680
Speaker 13: Bit Cheese and I'm mad you preach some mini undiamond

1087
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 13: domin fans when you're working. And Yo, my nix started spend.

1088
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:55,759
Speaker 13: I got model Cheese, want to.

1089
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 10: Meet like k.

1090
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 13: And them drugs coming. And last night Savage pitch been no,

1091
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 13: I'm not ran, it'll win.

1092
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 3: No.

1093
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 10: Connor had to.

1094
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 13: Make her eat up playing and I'm sitting been on

1095
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:12,840
Speaker 13: that cold Dean not friends. I'm just sting on my

1096
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 13: ex pitch. I was just blessing on my ex pitch

1097
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:21,680
Speaker 13: color pull just stuck on my axe, bitch. I was

1098
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:25,359
Speaker 13: just blessing on my eggs. Besch trunk away. They ring

1099
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:27,439
Speaker 13: out bout her neck, blest to truck.

1100
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 10: She's got the flood.

1101
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:29,759
Speaker 5: Trying not to catch this.

1102
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 10: So I left that whole a.

1103
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 5: Long because she was rad shit.

1104
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 10: How do you beat you South?

1105
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:36,400
Speaker 5: I can't stand.

1106
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 14: Blessing on that mesten A lot of necklace on the taller.

1107
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 11: Her friend gonna leave me like a brother from brother,

1108
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 11: and she has her business on her brand.

1109
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 10: What on priss?

1110
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:59,360
Speaker 14: I hate pissed that fix. I hate dressing back that color.

1111
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 14: Told him one more getting snifferent color color.

1112
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:09,839
Speaker 13: It's like Bob color it out a week about color.

1113
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 4: It's just spitch.

1114
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 13: I wring inside the botcher.

1115
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:16,759
Speaker 3: She got a nigga, but he broke she loud color.

1116
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:21,359
Speaker 15: Having private llication color b the back of the raw

1117
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:28,880
Speaker 15: pation color immigration color go and through the translation.

1118
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 13: I'm just sting on my age, peach, I just blessing,

1119
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:38,439
Speaker 13: not my axe bitch color. How stun on my age bitch?

1120
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 13: I was in blessing on my age pitch