Speaker 1: Campsite Media.
Speaker 2: Hello everyone, and welcome to our bonus episode for Go Boy.
Speaker 2: I'm Sam Mullins and I'm here with my co creator
Speaker 2: of the Go Boy podcast.
Speaker 3: Rob Hello.
Speaker 1: Rob Lindsay.
Speaker 2: And one thing that's hard when you make a podcast
Speaker 2: series like this, especially Go Boy, where you could have
Speaker 2: a twenty episode series just telling Roger stories from different
Speaker 2: times in his life, and when you cut it all together,
Speaker 2: there's always some of your favorite stories that just didn't
Speaker 2: quite fit into the series that you were making. So
Speaker 2: we thought it would be fun if we sort of
Speaker 2: go through some of our favorite stories that either didn't
Speaker 2: make it into Go Boy or that we're just kind
Speaker 2: of fully touched on in the series. So we want
Speaker 2: to go through and kind of highlight some of our
Speaker 2: favorite full stories and some of our favorite little nuggets
Speaker 2: that will help those who enjoyed this series understand and
Speaker 2: appreciate the character of Roger Kron even a little bit more.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's great too because we have these cards everywhere,
Speaker 4: and not all the cards made it into the podcast,
Speaker 4: so this is a nice opportunity to get those stories out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all the flash cards from the corkboard that didn't
Speaker 2: quite make it into the episode outlines. Right, yeah, I
Speaker 2: can go first. I'll start with the Bowl Gang. So
Speaker 2: the Bull Gang is something that existed at the Guelph Reformatory,
Speaker 2: which was the first real reformatory that Roger went to.
Speaker 2: When he first got there, he kept getting into trouble
Speaker 2: with other inmates. He was like violent and fighting and
Speaker 2: he was getting into trouble with the guard all of
Speaker 2: the time. And if you kept getting into the trouble,
Speaker 2: they would sentence you for X amount of time to
Speaker 2: go and join the Bull Gang. And the Bullgang was
Speaker 2: this segregated unit. They had no privileges and just like
Speaker 2: a hard bed, three meals a day, and their main
Speaker 2: punishment was that they had to do this hardcore manual
Speaker 2: labor in the pit, with the idea being we're going
Speaker 2: to take all these problem inmates and we're just going
Speaker 2: to exhaust them every day and use it as a
Speaker 2: way to scare other inmates into behaving. The way that
Speaker 2: the Bullgang would work was every day they would march
Speaker 2: to the furthest reaches off the property and they would
Speaker 2: all be pushing these wheelbarrows toward this huge two hundred
Speaker 2: foot by two hundred.
Speaker 1: Foot sixty foot deep pit.
Speaker 2: That was just it was essentially just like a gravel
Speaker 2: pit right where Corey. Yeah, totally a quarry where they
Speaker 2: would break off boulders from the side and break it
Speaker 2: into smaller boulders that would fit into their wheelbarrows, and
Speaker 2: then they'd load them up and then they'd have to
Speaker 2: like push these impossibly heavy wheelbarrows back up and around,
Speaker 2: and then they would take it a couple hundred yards
Speaker 2: or something and they would dump it down the steep embankment.
Speaker 2: Because what the big project was was that they were
Speaker 2: trying to fill this sort of lake or wetland area
Speaker 2: with gravel so that they could develop it more or
Speaker 2: something like they could put buildings in this wetland essentially,
Speaker 2: so they're just breaking rocks, moving rocks, dumping rocks.
Speaker 4: It is literally that thing where you you know, break
Speaker 4: a big rock and make it a smaller rock, and
Speaker 4: then take that smaller rock and make it even smaller.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And one detailed I love is that all of these
Speaker 2: guys cared for their wheelbarrows like they were their children rogers.
Speaker 2: That was like pushing a car up a hill, pushing
Speaker 2: these things out. So after hours, these guys would be
Speaker 2: like greasing the wheel and making the handles more comfortable,
Speaker 2: and they would all name their wheelbarrows, and Rogers was
Speaker 2: named Voodoo. And then if they ever were paroled, if
Speaker 2: a guy was paroled and he had a sweet wheelbarrow,
Speaker 2: they would all jockey for position to try and get
Speaker 2: the nice wheelbarrow and take care of it with the
Speaker 2: claws being that if the guy ended up having to
Speaker 2: do another stint on the bulgang, that he.
Speaker 1: Was allowed to his wheelbarrow back. I really love that.
Speaker 4: It's like, you know, from Rodgers respective what he would
Speaker 4: have done with his bike might have been in this
Speaker 4: case as his wheelbarrow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And the way that he describes this pit, it
Speaker 2: just seems like there was never a nice time of
Speaker 2: year to be working outside in this pit, because the
Speaker 2: summers in this region just are so hot and muggy
Speaker 2: and humid, and they would just barely be able to
Speaker 2: stand up from heat.
Speaker 3: E saw.
Speaker 2: And then in the winter, he said all of their
Speaker 2: winter gear was a joke, that it was just modified
Speaker 2: from discarded old prison clothes. They'd make gloves and stuff
Speaker 2: for them, and they would all be down there, just
Speaker 2: their teeth chattering, and then they'd look up and they
Speaker 2: were always watched by armed guards because they were kind
Speaker 2: of off campus and they were the worst inmates. So
Speaker 2: there's like eight armed guards, and they'd look up at
Speaker 2: the armed guards and they would all be laughing and
Speaker 2: drinking their nice thermos of soup that their wife made
Speaker 2: for them, and they would all just resent those guys
Speaker 2: so hard as they're freezing.
Speaker 1: Down in this hole.
Speaker 2: And the other thing I remember when Roger talked about
Speaker 2: is that it was like scary down there. When there
Speaker 2: was a wind, it would make a howling sound over
Speaker 2: the top of the pit, and it was so echoey
Speaker 2: down there that it just sounded like it was haunted,
Speaker 2: and it would he says, that would freak these really
Speaker 2: tough guys out sometimes, the sounds that would be generated
Speaker 2: down in this hell hole.
Speaker 4: And then they would also try to get out of work.
Speaker 4: Detail they would sort of give each other the nod
Speaker 4: of take me out today, And so as I'm breaking
Speaker 4: the rock, the sledgehammer breaks my foot instead, Oh yeah,
Speaker 4: which is very common thing to do. So they got
Speaker 4: onto them of that, you know, like they looked out
Speaker 4: for that. So you could actually get in a lot
Speaker 4: of trouble for breaking the guy's foot.
Speaker 2: Not only do you need to break your leg, but
Speaker 2: you need to do a really good job of making
Speaker 2: it look like an accident if you want to get
Speaker 2: off the bull Gang for good. One other element I'm
Speaker 2: obsessed with about the Bullgang is that there was a
Speaker 2: special guard who sort of looked over them, and I
Speaker 2: think his name was Sergeant Tracy, but.
Speaker 1: Everyone called him the Dick.
Speaker 2: That was his nickname, because everyone has an adorable nickname
Speaker 2: in prison, of course, And the thing about the Dick
Speaker 2: is that the guy couldn't decide if they loved him
Speaker 2: or hated him, because he would sort of look out
Speaker 2: for them, and he would protect them from other guards
Speaker 2: messing with them. He's like, those are my guys to
Speaker 2: mess with, Like no one even look at my inmates
Speaker 2: because the Bullgang belonged to me. Roger talks about how
Speaker 2: during the spring months it was sort of go boys season,
Speaker 2: where lots of these guys would try to make a
Speaker 2: run for it in that time. The thing about the
Speaker 2: Dick is that he was in such incredible shape that
Speaker 2: no one could outrun him, and then if.
Speaker 1: He caught you, he would just beat you up.
Speaker 2: So guys wouldn't run if they knew that the Dick
Speaker 2: was gonna be the one chasing them, because he would
Speaker 2: just calmly jog after them like he's a marathon runner,
Speaker 2: with the confidence that he would catch them and bring
Speaker 2: them back by their shirt collar.
Speaker 4: Which is even more impressive that Roger did escape from there.
Speaker 4: He was a goal boy from the Bull Gang too,
Speaker 4: so that's even more impressive that, yeah, he was able
Speaker 4: to escape from the dick on top of all them.
Speaker 2: It was quite the distraction that made it possible. Roger
Speaker 2: talks about his time on the Bullgang that that was
Speaker 2: really his coming of age moment. That's where he went
Speaker 2: from a boy to a man, was doing that hard
Speaker 2: labor with those guys, and it sounds even though it's
Speaker 2: like obviously miserable work, it seems like a part of
Speaker 2: him really enjoyed this camaraderie and suffering through this with
Speaker 2: this tight group of guys that would work together and
Speaker 2: commiserate together. I think that that was a big moment
Speaker 2: in his coming of age tale.
Speaker 4: And I think because they were the sort of the
Speaker 4: group singled out as the hard knot guys that are
Speaker 4: in here, and if Roger was among them, he was
Speaker 4: sort of brought into the fold. And because he was
Speaker 4: so much younger, probably having these older guys. You know,
Speaker 4: he's one of us. You're you're you know, as the
Speaker 4: sad and good fellows, You're one of us.
Speaker 2: And I think in a lot of these settings, like
Speaker 2: even later with the weight Gang at Kingston Pen that
Speaker 2: Roger always earned other guys respect by just being a
Speaker 2: hard working and stubborn and determined kid. Yeah, like people
Speaker 2: like that, Guys like that admired that any young kid.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you totally.
Speaker 4: It was funny because you would say that about the
Speaker 4: about the bull gang, and it was making me think.
Speaker 4: When he was in Gwelph, there was a bird stuck
Speaker 4: in a window and so Roger was, you know, feeling
Speaker 4: bad for the bird. So we whipped a piece of soap,
Speaker 4: broke the window, freed the bird.
Speaker 3: You know, Okay, I did my job.
Speaker 4: But the guys didn't see it that way at all
Speaker 4: and came in and beat the crab out of him
Speaker 4: and took him down. We're gonna take him down to
Speaker 4: the hole. But they gave him an option, like you
Speaker 4: can either go to the hole and get the paddle,
Speaker 4: or we've got this new psychiatric department and we're running
Speaker 4: these sort of new tests. If you decide to do
Speaker 4: these new tests with this new psychiatrists that we got,
Speaker 4: you will forego all the punishment that you would normally get,
Speaker 4: which would have been the whole the paddle and stuff
Speaker 4: of that. And so Roger was at first very reluctant.
Speaker 4: He's just like, I don't like the ideas. I'll take
Speaker 4: my punishment. It's like, but this test is made for
Speaker 4: someone like you, Roger, Like, if you have a temper
Speaker 4: and if you, you know, are feeling volatile and stuff
Speaker 4: like that, this is designed to curb those those tendencies.
Speaker 4: So at the end of the day, Roger thought, okay,
Speaker 4: well maybe sure I'll try it. And they had just
Speaker 4: built like it was this beautiful new air beautiful, but
Speaker 4: you know, it was this.
Speaker 3: New area in there.
Speaker 4: They had soft beds, they had one guard looking over
Speaker 4: the whole area, and then the rest of the guards,
Speaker 4: if you will, were nurses and they were all women,
Speaker 4: and some of them were young, and they were all cute.
Speaker 4: And so Roger was in this environment for about ten
Speaker 4: days and the tests were ink blots and puzzles and
Speaker 4: you know those do sketches of your family and stuff.
Speaker 2: So he's like, I get to do this instead of
Speaker 2: getting with a perforated strap, like what exactly.
Speaker 4: So he thought, this is amazing, I'm so glad I
Speaker 4: agreed to do this, and so he did that for
Speaker 4: ten days and then everything changed on the eleventh. So
Speaker 4: on the eleventh day, they pulled them in and they
Speaker 4: would pull them in small groups, and Roger was waiting
Speaker 4: in the waiting room and they took a man that
Speaker 4: was like in his forties into this room wherever this
Speaker 4: experiment was going to take place, and all they could
Speaker 4: hear from the other side of the door was was
Speaker 4: it started as a whimper and sort of got into
Speaker 4: crying and then got into whaling and screaming and stuff
Speaker 4: of that. So you can just picture Roger and the
Speaker 4: other people and the other side the door, like what
Speaker 4: is happening in there? The door opens, they bring him out.
Speaker 4: He's all limp, and they bring him out and like, okay, next,
Speaker 4: yeah exactly, So they hate Roger had to watch that
Speaker 4: for two or three other people before it was his term,
Speaker 4: and so he describes it as what they did was
Speaker 4: they he went in, they put him on a table,
Speaker 4: they put him in a zipped him up like in
Speaker 4: a straight jacket, and then they put a gas mask
Speaker 4: over his mouth, and then all of a sudden they
Speaker 4: just turn on some sort of gas. Whatever the gas
Speaker 4: was that was supposed to curb these violent tendencies he had.
Speaker 4: All it did was it filled his lungs and it
Speaker 4: made him start choking. He couldn't breathe, he says. He
Speaker 4: talks about having this incredible headache, immediate, like an immediate migraine.
Speaker 4: And also these guys they would sort of turn into
Speaker 4: the Hulk for a minute where they would be thrashing
Speaker 4: uncontrollably and make them really angry. Yeah, that's what he say, Like,
Speaker 4: if for a treatment that's supposed to make me not angry,
Speaker 4: all his doing is making me angry. And like you're saying,
Speaker 4: violently shaking on the table. That's probably why the straight
Speaker 4: jack got on. And so when it was finally over,
Speaker 4: it was like Roger was spent. He was screaming. They
Speaker 4: actually put a towel in his mouth at one point
Speaker 4: because he was screaming so much. So they finally got
Speaker 4: him off the table, and so they're dragging him off
Speaker 4: or taking him off, and the doctors, oh, don't worry, Roger, next.
Speaker 3: Time it will go better, you know, it.
Speaker 4: Well, it's like and he's I'm sure he's like it
Speaker 4: next time. And he had to do it twice a
Speaker 4: week or yeah, so so, uh, he had to do
Speaker 4: it a couple of times a week.
Speaker 1: I think he did seven total.
Speaker 4: I think it was like seven treatments over a extended
Speaker 4: period of time. They eventually, you know, was his turn
Speaker 4: to come in and he's like, I just don't want
Speaker 4: to do this. I can't do this anymore. And he
Speaker 4: went back and at one point he just got really
Speaker 4: angry and he sort of smashed a window again and
Speaker 4: then which is funny because that's what got him there
Speaker 4: in the first place. They they did gave him something
Speaker 4: to calm him down, and then the doctor, he says,
Speaker 4: the doctor came and says, don't worry Roger, We're not
Speaker 4: going to.
Speaker 1: Do this test anymore. We're actually going to dissent.
Speaker 4: So I don't really know what happened with the test
Speaker 4: or what the end result was, but my feeling is
Speaker 4: unplugging it.
Speaker 2: You know, Well that didn't work or and we don't
Speaker 2: even know what specifically. It was just this mysterious experiment.
Speaker 2: The idea was I think that they they give this
Speaker 2: gas that gives these vibeviolent men of violent reaction, and
Speaker 2: it could be a sort of artificially created way for
Speaker 2: them to purge themselves of the violence, like create a
Speaker 2: safe space for them to thrash and scream in anger,
Speaker 2: and then they won't have anything left when they're back
Speaker 2: in the general population, right right, which I don't think
Speaker 2: is what with the end result ended up being. And
Speaker 2: so Roger, he just didn't trust that they are not
Speaker 2: going to make him do it anymore. So he of
Speaker 2: course he tried to escape from the psychiatric area and
Speaker 2: then they caught him, and then unfortunately what ended up
Speaker 2: happening to was was going to happen to him. Originally
Speaker 2: they put him in the hole, they gave him the strap,
Speaker 2: and then they actually sent him to the bulgang, which
Speaker 2: is which is funny because it comes full circle back
Speaker 2: to the bulgang again. But the only good thing about
Speaker 2: the whole thing in Roger's eyes was he did get
Speaker 2: a kiss from one of the pretty nurses, So I
Speaker 2: don't know if that was worth it. One of my
Speaker 2: other favorite stories that we didn't find a home for
Speaker 2: in the series is he he is in the jail
Speaker 2: in Fredericton and then he has that scene with Ninny
Speaker 2: where the woman in the cell beside him and him
Speaker 2: they find a hole and they start talking and they
Speaker 2: start conspiring together, and then they're found out. Roger gets
Speaker 2: into a scuffle with the guards and he jumps out
Speaker 2: a window and escapes.
Speaker 1: And if you stick with.
Speaker 2: That story and that escape, so Roger like jumps out
Speaker 2: a window and he really hurts his ankle as he
Speaker 2: runs away, and he goes down by a creek or
Speaker 2: river and he's kind of following it along, and he
Speaker 2: knows that they're gonna put out man hunt and set
Speaker 2: up roadblocks and things like that, so he has to
Speaker 2: keep a really low profile as he tries to get
Speaker 2: far enough outside of Fredericton that it's safe. So he
Speaker 2: finds this hotel he sneaks in, and he finds this
Speaker 2: empty banquet room and has all of these big tables
Speaker 2: with white linen tablecloths, and he just crawls underneath one
Speaker 2: of them and he has a little nap for a
Speaker 2: couple of hours. And when he wakes up from this nap,
Speaker 2: his ankle has doubled in size and he can barely walk.
Speaker 1: So he's like, oh God, I got to get out
Speaker 1: of here.
Speaker 2: So he goes and he steals some bell Hops clothes
Speaker 2: from a locker downstairs. From a staff room, he finds
Speaker 2: like a blue blazer and some shoes, and he goes out,
Speaker 2: but it starts raining so incredibly hard that all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, a car is suddenly beside him that he
Speaker 2: wasn't able to hear because of the rain, and it's
Speaker 2: this man with his two teenage daughters in a car.
Speaker 2: The teenage girl is like, it's a young man, and
Speaker 2: the dad is like, you need to get in here
Speaker 2: before you drown. And Roger's like, no, no, thanks for
Speaker 2: the offer for the ride, but I'm good. And the
Speaker 2: dad's like, son, my daughters will disown me if you
Speaker 2: don't get into the car right now. And Roger's just
Speaker 2: so desperate to keep a low profile. And before he
Speaker 2: gets into the car, he looks at the radio antenna
Speaker 2: on it. He's like, if they turn on the radio,
Speaker 2: it's just gonna be like man hunt, Man on the loose.
Speaker 1: Do not pick up hitchhikers.
Speaker 2: So he climbs in and thankfully they don't have the
Speaker 2: radio on, and they say, so where are you heading,
Speaker 2: And he's like, I'm going to Montreal, which is quite far,
Speaker 2: and the dad is like.
Speaker 1: Well, that settles it. You're coming to spend the night
Speaker 1: at our house.
Speaker 2: So they take them back to their house and in
Speaker 2: the backyard there's a quite nice tent that I guess
Speaker 2: they're son had been living in and he was off
Speaker 2: at university. So they're like, you can take the son's tent.
Speaker 2: They bring Roger into the house. He said they were
Speaker 2: such a Christian family when they walked in that the
Speaker 2: grandmother is literally just like reading the Bible by the fire,
Speaker 2: and they're like, can we get you something to eat.
Speaker 2: He's like, no, no, no, no thanks. I'm just gonna take
Speaker 2: you guys up on this tent. And he goes in
Speaker 2: this tent. His clothes are soaked. He takes off his
Speaker 2: clothes and he gets into this fur lined little sleeping bag,
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden, the dad from the family,
Speaker 2: he bursts in and he's like, here's a couple of
Speaker 2: egg sandwiches, and here's a cup of coffee, and I'm
Speaker 2: just gonna take your clothes and I'm gonna take him
Speaker 2: inside and they'll be dry for you in the morning.
Speaker 2: And he's gone, and Roger is like shit, I'm naked
Speaker 2: in this sleeping bag and that guy just took my clothes,
Speaker 2: So he has to change his plans, and he spends
Speaker 2: the whole night there, hoping that it's not part of
Speaker 2: their evening or morning routine to listen to the radio.
Speaker 2: So the next morning he emerges and they give him
Speaker 2: his dry clothes and they feed him again, and he
Speaker 2: says that he was so starving. He was embarrassed at
Speaker 2: how grotesquely fast he ate his food in front of
Speaker 2: the mom and the gram and the teenage daughters. And
Speaker 2: then they gave him a nice knit sweater that belonged
Speaker 2: to their son, and they drove him across a river.
Speaker 1: There was a.
Speaker 2: One vehicle ferry that went across this river, and it
Speaker 2: was propelled by men pulling a rope like two men
Speaker 2: would pull the ferry across the river. So he ends
Speaker 2: up on the other side and he says goodbye to
Speaker 2: the dad who had done this, and Roger is almost weeping.
Speaker 2: He is so moved by how kind these people were
Speaker 2: to him. And given where Roger had just come from,
Speaker 2: this was just on the tail of all everything that
Speaker 2: he had suffered at the Guelf Reformatory and other escapes
Speaker 2: and other bad situations and beatings, and this was like
Speaker 2: his first taste of just pure undiluted kindness and warmth
Speaker 2: was from this family that had helped him when he
Speaker 2: really did need help and sent him on his way.
Speaker 2: He almost couldn't handle how kind they were. It made
Speaker 2: him deeply uncomfortable, and he hated that he had to
Speaker 2: lie to them about who he was and where he
Speaker 2: was going.
Speaker 1: And what he was doing.
Speaker 4: But eventually, I think what happened was the family did
Speaker 4: turn on the radio and did hear, oh, yeah, this
Speaker 4: guy escaped and sort of described him. I think he's
Speaker 4: been sleeping in my tent all night. So it was
Speaker 4: actually the father that called the police to I think
Speaker 4: I had.
Speaker 3: That boy here.
Speaker 1: I harbored a criminal.
Speaker 4: Basically h But Roger afterwards said he didn't hold any
Speaker 4: ill feelings towards him at all, like it just because
Speaker 4: he was so kind of And it's one of those
Speaker 4: moments that later on when he got he did get caught. Eventually,
Speaker 4: while he's back into cell thinking about it, he must
Speaker 4: have really reflected on that that moment, you know, of
Speaker 4: just like this, this is what the other side looks like,
Speaker 4: you know, if I have if I had lived a
Speaker 4: different life, or if I did live another life, it
Speaker 4: could look like this, Yeah.
Speaker 3: I have a good robbery story.
Speaker 4: Roger got to a point where he started getting paranoid
Speaker 4: about banks. This is a little bit later on in
Speaker 4: his career, and he got paranoid that because he had
Speaker 4: he was known for escaping, he was known for robbing
Speaker 4: banks and stuff like that, that the people were watching him.
Speaker 4: And so if he would pick up a new crew
Speaker 4: or a new partner to rob another bank, they would
Speaker 4: be like, they're not watching Roger or whatever. But but
Speaker 4: in his mind, like he just I really think they
Speaker 4: are watching me. So he started doing this habit of
Speaker 4: that he would break into to a police garage where
Speaker 4: they parked their undercovered cars and write down all the
Speaker 4: license plates of these undercovered cars. And then one time
Speaker 4: they were going to go do a job and sure enough,
Speaker 4: you know, he checks any license plate that has these numbers, Okay,
Speaker 4: we don't go in that bank, and sure enough he
Speaker 4: saw one that was hidden back and it was like
Speaker 4: this license plate, I just saw it in the garage.
Speaker 4: So he called off the off the heist, and his
Speaker 4: partner was not happy. He was like, like, you know,
Speaker 4: thought it almost like he chickened out or whatever. They
Speaker 4: waited a week later or something, and so they picked
Speaker 4: another bank and they go in and they rob it
Speaker 4: and when they go in, they did it within like
Speaker 4: forty forty seconds or something that where they got all
Speaker 4: the money they could. And then they're running out. They
Speaker 4: go into the car and then Rogers says, out of nowhere,
Speaker 4: this car comes flying and smashes into the side of
Speaker 4: his car, and so he can see that it's it's
Speaker 4: an undercover police officer but dressed as a hippie and
Speaker 4: runs into him, and so Roger's gun falls on the floor.
Speaker 4: Police officers gun falls on his floor in his car,
Speaker 4: and so the two of them are trying to get
Speaker 4: their hands on their weapons while not taking their eyes
Speaker 4: off each other. So he said, it's like an oh,
Speaker 4: like pitcher, a Western of you know, you're trying to
Speaker 4: find the gun. So Roger picks up his gun, and
Speaker 4: just as he does that, another car comes and smashes
Speaker 4: in the front of them, and they'll go flying, and
Speaker 4: the gun goes flying again, and then that guy couldn't
Speaker 4: get out of his car because of the impact. He
Speaker 4: couldn't open his side door. A third car came and
Speaker 4: hit him from the back. So they were t boone
Speaker 4: from every which direction and as he goes and there
Speaker 4: goes the gun again, go flying out of my hand.
Speaker 4: So when they finally got him, so they surrounded them
Speaker 4: and there's about six hundercover police officers. They take him
Speaker 4: out of the car and they put him up against
Speaker 4: the window of the bank that they just came out of,
Speaker 4: and everyone in the bank was like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 4: they're coming back in again.
Speaker 3: You know, it's the same guys. They're coming back in.
Speaker 3: Oh man.
Speaker 2: So during Roger's like most intense bank robbing time with
Speaker 2: the Montreal crew, there's this one story that is burned
Speaker 2: in my head forever that.
Speaker 1: Didn't make it in.
Speaker 2: So one of the guys on his crew, he had
Speaker 2: a girlfriend that all the guys knew and like named
Speaker 2: Eula and Ula.
Speaker 1: She was like a stripper and she.
Speaker 2: Had like an abusive ex boyfriend who kept bothering her.
Speaker 2: So her new boyfriend and all the guys on Roger's
Speaker 2: crew they were all like, next time you see that guy,
Speaker 2: you call us and we're gonna go and scare him
Speaker 2: off so that he doesn't bother you anymore. And one night, Roger,
Speaker 2: he's at home and he gets a call from Eula
Speaker 2: and she's like, my ex boyfriend sent two of his
Speaker 2: tufts here and they're they're holding us hostage and you
Speaker 2: need to get here right away, Roger. So Roger gets
Speaker 2: out of bed and he speeds over there. He's like,
Speaker 2: just stall them until I get there. So Roger drives
Speaker 2: through the snow as fast as he can to EULA's place.
Speaker 2: When Roger walks in, he just sees the two toughs
Speaker 2: who have their back to him and his buddy from
Speaker 2: his crew. He's bleeding from his face and ULA's clothing
Speaker 2: is ripped. Roger says that both of these guys, they
Speaker 2: just looked like they looked huge and like they were twins.
Speaker 1: He said, they looked like they were.
Speaker 2: Both from from like a mob movie or something. These
Speaker 2: two guys with like their snap hats or their paper
Speaker 2: boy hat type thing. And I just wanted to read
Speaker 2: this one moment.
Speaker 1: That that I'm obsessed with. Sorry, right right here it is.
Speaker 2: So. So Roger walks in and he says, dream like
Speaker 2: no one uttered a word and made a move as
Speaker 2: all eyes watched me calmly remove my gloves top coat
Speaker 2: and sport jacket, draping them carefully over the back of
Speaker 2: a chair. Quickly I crossed the room, and turning my
Speaker 2: back on the tufts, I faced my buddy and asked
Speaker 2: one question of him, do they have pieces? Not waiting
Speaker 2: for an answer, I suddenly pivoted and caught the first
Speaker 2: tough flush on the mouth with a looping right that
Speaker 2: splintered his teeth and sent him sprawling backwards onto the
Speaker 2: bathroom floor.
Speaker 1: And then this starts this.
Speaker 2: Insane, this insanely violent scene where Roger fights both of
Speaker 2: these Tufts at the same time, and he claims, he
Speaker 2: claims that he punched out this one guy and he's
Speaker 2: sort of laying on the ground, leaned against the refrigerator,
Speaker 2: and he kicks the guy in the side of the head,
Speaker 2: and Roger claims that the guy's eye popped out a
Speaker 2: little bit and remained popped out for the rest of
Speaker 2: the scuffle. And Roger ends up like throwing both of
Speaker 2: them out of there and chasing them up the stairs
Speaker 2: out of the basement suite, and they both like run
Speaker 2: off to their escape car. And then Ulas says, I've
Speaker 2: never seen anything like that before, not in the club,
Speaker 2: and not even in the movies, Ula says in rapid French.
Speaker 4: Isn't it also like I always have this image of
Speaker 4: this guy with his eyeball hanging out and you know,
Speaker 4: running away.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we watch a lot of UFC fights and I
Speaker 4: have and I've seen some headcakes.
Speaker 3: I've never seen the eyeball pop I've never seen an
Speaker 3: eyeball pop out.
Speaker 1: So that's a pretty good talent.
Speaker 2: But maybe that's maybe that's why we didn't include this
Speaker 2: story is because we're skeptical. It's like the eyeball detail
Speaker 2: makes me skeptical of the whole thing. I'm glad that
Speaker 2: we found a home in this episode for some of
Speaker 2: our favorite little snapshots from the book and little side
Speaker 2: quests that we didn't.
Speaker 1: Find a home for in the series.
Speaker 2: So thanks for going through these ways.
Speaker 4: Now we can take things off the board. So corkboard,
Speaker 4: so we did actually talk about that's empty ess.
Speaker 3: Board, all right?
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 5: Go Boy is a production from Campside Media in partnership
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Speaker 5: wherever you get your podcasts. Go Boy was written and
Speaker 5: hosted by me Sam Mollins. Our producer is Rob Lindsay
Speaker 5: of Paradox Pictures. Laine Rose is our senior producer. Sound design,
Speaker 5: mix and engineering by Garrett Tiedeman, original music by Garrett
Speaker 5: tiedemant fact checking by Michael Kenyon Meyer. Selected archival clips
Speaker 5: are from CBC Licensing. The book Go Boy was written
Speaker 5: by Roger Kuran. iHeart Podcasts executive producers are Lindsay Hoffman
Speaker 5: and Jennifer Bassett. Campside Media's executive producers are Josh Dean, Vanessa, Gregoriatis,
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