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Speaker 1: host of the Move the Sticks podcast. If you like

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Speaker 1: the draft, it is a must listen every week and

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Speaker 1: if you're near TV, he's probably on NFL Network right

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Speaker 1: now talking about something he is Bucky Brooks. Bucky, what's

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Speaker 1: up man? No, everything is good man, No complaints, have everything.

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Speaker 1: Everything is great. Let's start here, real basic question. We

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Speaker 1: What is the one thing you're still trying to figure

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Speaker 1: And who moves in? And how does that impact the

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Speaker 1: rest of the draft. And so if all of these

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Speaker 1: put out his most recent mock draft. He had nine

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Speaker 1: Maybe as defensive players. I would say passer ten has

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Speaker 1: don't know if you have that elite, premier player that

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