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Speaker 3: We are the authority on all things R and B.

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Speaker 1: Ladiesship, and my name is Tank and today Special band.

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Speaker 1: It's a very special.

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Speaker 3: Before we get to the man in the hot seat,

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Speaker 3: we're gonna start with a brother who's sitting in as

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Speaker 3: my co host, my co star. Uh, my brother from

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Speaker 3: another mother. Uh, the brother to the brother.

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Speaker 1: Of you know what.

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Speaker 3: We'll get to all that sitting right here, Robert New

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Speaker 3: We like to call him Bob.

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Speaker 1: Come on building. How you doing, Bob? I'm doing great.

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Speaker 1: You're doing great. Everything good to see. I like your shirt.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I don't figure we'll be a group.

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Speaker 3: Okay, listen, ladies in the hot seat. As you notice

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Speaker 3: are our shirts. You notice our tire. It's gotten silky.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 3: This episode represents, uh, hit records and Coco Butter. That's

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Speaker 3: what this That's what this episode represents. Huh if you

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Speaker 3: if you look good, you play good. And if you

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Speaker 3: play good, they pay good. That's what this episode represents.

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Speaker 3: Prime prime time, y'alln we gotta feel like something. It's

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Speaker 3: gotta look like something. Huh gets from inside out. This

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Speaker 3: man been doing this since he was a real little boy,

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Speaker 3: jumping out of boxes and ship dancing everything.

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Speaker 1: Jumping out of the boxes. Nikka cold with it. My

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Speaker 3: Oh, they are the podcast.

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Speaker 1: Time to wipe up out what you want. You want

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Speaker 1: to butt into the service right listen. They gotta get it,

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Speaker 1: get it, they gotta get it. Asked brother, how you doing, brother?

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Speaker 1: I'm good man, Yeah, got me to do it. Man.

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Speaker 3: First of all, we had to you know, as we

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Speaker 3: I'm saying, you know somebody who can who can who

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Speaker 3: to you. Understand what I'm saying. You might used to

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Speaker 3: original lead singer. You know what I'm saying. I have

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Speaker 3: to call the bominator himself. Man, this is awesome. Get

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Speaker 3: this together. Everybody feel like they say a double.

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Speaker 1: Right now, the same it's already they got signed back

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Speaker 2: Don't know how to sing back up, so I was

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Speaker 1: You don't know how to sing back up. I get

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Speaker 3: That's your problem. When my shirt comes off, it's my time.

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Speaker 3: It's not your time to take your shirt off too.

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Speaker 2: Well in that particular, in that particular, in that particular,

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Speaker 1: Out, We have been with the honets, we have been

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Speaker 1: working on. I couldn't and I had. I warned you.

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Speaker 2: I said, listen, when your shirt come off, my shirt

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Speaker 1: I didn't know you was gonna pump fake some mine.

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Speaker 2: You pump fake and mine came off like a vacuum

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Speaker 1: that's I know. His bodyguard as this high was here

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Speaker 1: knockout drag outs about what the fuck Jay? Why not Jay?

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Speaker 2: So so what you're saying that, I want him because

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Speaker 1: We became a new hole. No, I knew that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I do that. I did that. Ladies, disclaimer, Bob will

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Speaker 1: untut let us continue. We were to hustle, Yeah we were, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that spot, the spot that was already occupied. Yeah, so

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Speaker 1: If you don't, you don't up. You gotta that, nigga,

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Speaker 1: were kin to the Jackson's. I mean, you know, your

433
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,919
Speaker 1: father tells you. And then Joe said it when.

434
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,400
Speaker 2: We Pine Bluff Arkansas connection.

435
00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:00,679
Speaker 1: Because our family was originally from Arkansas, New to originally

436
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:05,959
Speaker 1: from Arkansas, and you know, somehow they had some kind

437
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,920
Speaker 1: of connection through which I found out later. I don't

438
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:14,560
Speaker 1: know if you knew this, Bubbahamp really, So, Bubbahamp, who

439
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:17,440
Speaker 1: is family for us? You met, you know, you met

440
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:22,399
Speaker 1: our cousins in Vegas, becausin mistering them and his father,

441
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:28,960
Speaker 1: his father managed sly Stone got you and as kids

442
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,080
Speaker 1: we didn't really know what that meant. But obviously now

443
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:33,960
Speaker 1: as a businessman and understanding busy, that's some big shit.

444
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 1: But they would be telling you, you know, he had slidestone,

445
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:39,359
Speaker 1: and we're like, who the hell is Sliestone? You know

446
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:41,280
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like, we're not we baby, So we

447
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:44,359
Speaker 1: don't really know you know, all the history of that

448
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:52,240
Speaker 1: and that whole thing. But Bubbahamp had legit music business connections.

449
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 1: We don't know that because Bubba, which is like our uncle,

450
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,680
Speaker 1: is thrown into the group of everybody else we meeting.

451
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 1: That's you know, pim stay in the game. And he

452
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 1: was in the game too, So it's like we just differentiate. No,

453
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 1: not at all, So we think it's all bluff. We think, okay,

454
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 1: so that's what dad had got stuff from. But oh wow,

455
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:21,159
Speaker 1: bub bub was the connection to that, and so my

456
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 1: dad would get you know, plugged from him, like yo,

457
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,240
Speaker 1: who who can we call here? Who can I tap

458
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:29,639
Speaker 1: tap in? We get to La? Who can you know

459
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,880
Speaker 1: what I'm saying? That the whole thing. That's the part

460
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 1: we didn't know. So we just thinking we're going to

461
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:41,679
Speaker 1: La to meet the Jackson's because this is what has

462
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:48,119
Speaker 1: been told to us. And we're on a a school

463
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 1: bush what school bus that he took the grill off,

464
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 1: that's part of his creativity. He took the grill off

465
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 1: of the school bus, took the other grill off off

466
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 1: of a rolls royceter that he had and put it

467
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 1: on put it on the front of the school bus.

468
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:08,360
Speaker 1: So we had a school bus with a rose Royce

469
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:09,200
Speaker 1: Chrison Man.

470
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was the biggest rose, the biggest he had

471
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 3: it made.

472
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:19,879
Speaker 1: Imagine that on the front of a yellow school but

473
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:22,399
Speaker 1: in the school bus was still yellow.

474
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, but it had like neutrons and graffiti on

475
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 2: the side.

476
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 1: It was because we were super because we were kids,

477
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:30,359
Speaker 1: so it should be a school bus school.

478
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:32,120
Speaker 2: It was also that was also a candy store.

479
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 1: Yeah what you heard. Yeah, so candy, Yeah, candy house,

480
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 1: to believe it, and probably the other can I feel like,

481
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 1: probably both the candies, I feel like.

482
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 2: So he did skip around a little bit, but that

483
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:53,920
Speaker 2: after we would practice and do all those things singing.

484
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 2: Now we got routines. We would go from the Bay

485
00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 2: to l A trying to.

486
00:27:58,680 --> 00:27:59,400
Speaker 1: Get a record deal.

487
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we would sit in Joe Jackson's office for hours.

488
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:06,239
Speaker 1: But before we got into the office, we were in

489
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:11,199
Speaker 1: front of the house. We're front of Havenhurst trying to

490
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:15,920
Speaker 1: get in, and we're like like some stone called groupies.

491
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:19,199
Speaker 1: We're like I thought, he said, I thought he was

492
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 1: just going over to Michael Jackson house. I thought, I thought,

493
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 1: this is this is like a done deal, and we're

494
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 1: just in the car and he's negotiating with the security.

495
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:34,880
Speaker 1: Literally negotiating with the security, and Ronnie Knew showed my cousin.

496
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 1: But for him this parton like what you know what

497
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 1: I mean, you know he working his wiggle, his wiggle worked.

498
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 1: Those gates opened. I took you to Havenhurst with me.

499
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 1: I took you to the house for the forty eighth

500
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 1: anniversary of of Thriller. That same house, those big old

501
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 1: black gates magically opened for us. We was there for

502
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 1: a while, if my hours and trying to trying to

503
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 1: work as we're going to do his thing, and those

504
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 1: gates opened up for us, and that man took us.

505
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:14,719
Speaker 1: Think about this, that man took us to the biggest

506
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 1: star who ever lived ever and talked his way into

507
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 1: those gates his house, Too's house. And then we were

508
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 1: able to audition perform for Joe Jackson. And we had

509
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 1: already put in so much time, even in that short

510
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 1: span of a year or whatever it was, of every

511
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 1: single day rehearsing, going over our shit, waiting for that moment.

512
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 1: So when we performed for him, we got busy, like

513
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 1: we literally got busy in Mike, I mean, Joe was like,

514
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 1: oh no, I'm signing y'all like y'all own Jackson Records. Wow.

515
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 1: So it went from we're just going to in our minds,

516
00:29:57,920 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 1: we're going to we get to meet Michael Jackson to

517
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 1: now we're going to sign to Joe Jackson. Now we

518
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 1: really gonna meet Mike. Absolutely, absolutely, and eventually we did.

519
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 1: Mike was cool a shit, you know what I'm saying.

520
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 1: We got to hang out with Jermaine and all the

521
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 1: brothers and the sisters, and we end up meeting who

522
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 1: became really close friends for us and practically family. We

523
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 1: still call each other cousin to this day. Was the

524
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 1: Three T's, which are Tito sons, because they were around

525
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 1: our same age and they just became our boys. Like

526
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 1: we just we was like, oh, there's some other kids,

527
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 1: and they fucked with it. Said it's like wait, but

528
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 1: they can sing, and they because they weren't singing at

529
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 1: the time. Eventually they became the Three T's and became

530
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:41,719
Speaker 1: a singing group. But they were all playing baseball. So

531
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 1: we got to the other part is once we met them,

532
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 1: we got to do kids shit because we have pockets,

533
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 1: got you, We had pockets of when we could do

534
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 1: kids shit because we had to rehearse so much and

535
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 1: so much other you know, wild shit was going on

536
00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 1: that we didn't really get a chance to have like normal,

537
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 1: oh little league at that age yet you know what

538
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 1: I mean, like little league and youth league basketball and

539
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 1: all the shit that we take our kids too. Saw music.

540
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 1: So when we got to see them, it was like, oh,

541
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 1: we can go we go play basketball, we can go

542
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 1: to their house and go swimming. We was kicking it.

543
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 1: But during that time, Joe's trying to figure out what

544
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 1: to do with us, trying to figure out what to

545
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 1: do with this, because this is what you know, I'm

546
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 1: five six, Yeah, I'm six, it's like six, and they're

547
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 1: like eleven. Ron is twelve. Because at that time it's

548
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 1: four of us. Tryna dropped out so we're no longer

549
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 1: the new Tron five. Like I'm out of here. You

550
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 1: niggas ain't making no money. I actually actually we're making money,

551
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 1: but Dad's getting it. So I quit. And it was

552
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 1: four of us. And I know y'all probably heard that,

553
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 1: but yes, it's two runs two Ronni's because Ron Newton

554
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 1: would have two sons that both have his name. This

555
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 1: is you know, y'all know how the streets go back?

556
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 1: You know, George Formulate the only one on out here

557
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 1: naming multiple kids the same name. So ro we call

558
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:15,479
Speaker 1: ron and Ronnie, Bob and me. Joe signed us. We

559
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 1: moved to la for a minute. We lived in Grenada Hills.

560
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 1: We get our first house with the pool. I learned

561
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 1: how to swim, you know what I'm saying. Like, we

562
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 1: we really think it's going to happen. And this was

563
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 1: our first experience with what the music business is. It's

564
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 1: not overnight. It's not overnight. It's you know, a lot

565
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 1: of hurry up and wait, it's wait your turn, it's

566
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 1: right now, ain't your time? And I think we we

567
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 1: had a chance to learn that really early, especially for

568
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 1: me being six seven years old at that time, really early.

569
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 1: That damn okay. We thought we was gonna put an

570
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 1: album out the next day after we meet Joe Jackson.

571
00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 1: That's how this works, right, It's not how I don't

572
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure I don't think for Jackson Records at

573
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 1: the time, I don't even know if they had distribution.

574
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 1: We didn't know what distribution was.

575
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 2: But also you got to think about Tank at this time,

576
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 2: Michael Jackson is the biggest start the world.

577
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 1: So we like we with his daddy. Yeah, oh, we

578
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 1: about to be good. He would have to put on

579
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 1: he would have to put on like full, he would

580
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 1: have to dress up like it Halloween to go outside.

581
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 2: I saw him doing this, the fake big t wig.

582
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 2: He could not go outside.

583
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 1: Like when people be saying that now, no, no, no, no,

584
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 1: it's not even close. It's not even close. This man

585
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 1: had to put on a disguise to just leave his

586
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 1: home or it would have been a riot. I never

587
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 1: seen nothing like that, you know, and I'll never see

588
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 1: nothing like that again. They met a lot of stars.

589
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 1: We didn't met a lot of stars together. They're not

590
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson. Bro, They're not Michael Jackson. And you know,

591
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 1: I think for me it was good, good in one

592
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 1: sense that it made everything normal to me, but it

593
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 1: kind of fucked me up in a sense of, Bro,

594
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 1: I can't meet anybody at this point. Same.

595
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, my wife is saying that it like it don't

596
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,799
Speaker 2: matter if you meet Michael Jackson. The only next person

597
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:23,439
Speaker 2: is Jesus. Listen, hey, Jesus week because everybody else didn't matter.

598
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 2: But what I want to pull you back, like, because

599
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 2: there's a point we forgot. So when we signed Joe Jackson,

600
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:34,799
Speaker 2: he got us our biggest show to date for the Roxy, right,

601
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:39,839
Speaker 2: and we didn't move to La yet. We're still at

602
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 2: home in the ghetto, in the hood, and Ron Newt is, oh,

603
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 2: d like, we got our ghetto band, and he's like, yo,

604
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,400
Speaker 2: we practicing twelve thirteen hours a day to prepare for

605
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 2: the Roxy.

606
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 1: He's sick.

607
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 2: We did that for three months. You could hear the

608
00:34:55,640 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 2: kids playing outside. It was torture, tank fucking torture because

609
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 2: the house was yeah, like and you can hear I'm

610
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:08,760
Speaker 2: talking about tons of kids outside and we just intered

611
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,359
Speaker 2: going over at it again, over and over. We're doing

612
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 2: I'll be there. We're doing uh, the greatest love of

613
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 2: all that's what These are our cover songs that we're doing.

614
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 2: And we're over and over and over. And the payoff though,

615
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 2: so the payoff and he's young, so I don't know

616
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 2: if he members all this, but the payoff. We get

617
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 2: to the Rocky, which we didn't know was world famous.

618
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 2: Roxy is world famous. Of course, we get five standing ovations.

619
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 2: They say, oh, and we have a special guest up

620
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 2: top El de Barge, right, so we're like, oh, wow,

621
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 2: El deball right because at the time he's cracking too.

622
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 2: Eld Barge. Wasn't El de barge eld the bars was

623
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:51,399
Speaker 2: Michael Jackson. Michael Jackson videoed the neutrons from up top

624
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 2: our whole show. We came out, they like they took

625
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 2: us upstairs.

626
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 1: He was up there.

627
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 2: Imagine, Bro, all I ever wanted to do was be

628
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 2: Michael Jackson, like after we saw Motown twenty.

629
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 1: Five, right of course, Bro, That's all I.

630
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 2: Wanted to do, right, So we go up there. He

631
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:10,280
Speaker 2: imagine our faces.

632
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 1: Bro.

633
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:13,360
Speaker 2: Then Joe's like yeah, and he invited y'all to the house.

634
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 2: We're like, it's about to go up. We're about to

635
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 2: hang out with Michael Jackson, you know what I mean.

636
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 2: So we go, bro, and we ghetto kids. He had

637
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 2: a full candy store type he had. He had the

638
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 2: real it was. It was as big as this.

639
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 1: Yeah it was, and it was I just remember, was

640
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:34,800
Speaker 1: air conditioned and everything and imagine.

641
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 2: And he was like, get you a tub, like the

642
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:41,280
Speaker 2: big tub for popcorn. And he was like whatever y'all want.

643
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,439
Speaker 1: Imagine you can't tell. No. He just had silver teeth

644
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 1: at four or five, just just as I just came

645
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 1: from having my silver just help. So now this man

646
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:57,319
Speaker 1: is offering the candy house man, What did that do

647
00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 1: to your work ethic? Though for me it's all the way.

648
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 2: I've never worked that hard again in my life. Tank

649
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 2: that twelve thirteen hours a day for three months, like it.

650
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 2: But we saw the results, so like, because I know

651
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 2: how that affected me, how did that affect you?

652
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 1: It made it where that I think maybe that's the

653
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 1: point where I felt like it was all worth it.

654
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:26,319
Speaker 1: That was the validation for all of it, right, because

655
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 1: it's like, it's it's not getting to play basketball with

656
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan, Yeah, even if it's an open run, Michael

657
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 1: Jordan coming to your basketball game. Yeah, and you're like

658
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:39,799
Speaker 1: in video Jay over there and he got it on video.

659
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 1: So the VMJ, you know, meeting him and seeing that

660
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 1: he appreciated, you know, what we were doing. Like I said,

661
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 1: it validated everything at that point on and we thought,

662
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:57,359
Speaker 1: you know, from that, we thought, you know that that

663
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 1: we had arrived. But like I said, we realized that

664
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 1: the music business doesn't work that way, and how was

665
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 1: how wash? What was it? What was the point to

666
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 1: where that realization kicked in and maybe even things had

667
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:15,280
Speaker 1: to go in a different direction. When the money stopped

668
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 1: got you, When the money stopped because obviously with us

669
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 1: signing to Jackson Records, there was a certain you know

670
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:26,279
Speaker 1: advance and a monthly and we were living in this

671
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: you know, this house with the swimming pool, and we

672
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 1: made it to all right, we got to move the

673
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,359
Speaker 1: lights about to get cut off to you know, they're

674
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 1: not sending that bread no more because Pops just stopp

675
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 1: hustling because he fully focusing on us. So during that time,

676
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 1: obviously we got to move back. You know, we didn't

677
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 1: tell everybody, and we hear these stories when we talk

678
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 1: to other people that come on here. We didn't tell

679
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 1: everybody were going to l A, were going to the

680
00:38:55,640 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 1: Jackson's and I see you niggas on TV. Yeah, I

681
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 1: get back to you. We didn't make it to the

682
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 1: TV screen just yet. Right, So we go back home

683
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:11,359
Speaker 1: and same we back to the same thing we were

684
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:15,279
Speaker 1: back in school. We're back rehearsing rand New back in

685
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 1: the streets, and you know, he starts hustling during that time.

686
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 1: That's how we ended up getting to Indianapolis. You know,

687
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 1: what was maybe going for eighteen in San Francisco, was

688
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 1: going for thirty five in Indiana. It's time to get

689
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 1: to Indiana. So you know, he went out there. I

690
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:40,799
Speaker 1: remember he got he bought two apartments. All the story

691
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:44,919
Speaker 1: is great. He bought two apartments next to each other.

692
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 1: He busted the wall open and connected it. Instead of

693
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,320
Speaker 1: having two three bedrooms, now we have a six bedroom

694
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:58,320
Speaker 1: apartment right right right.

695
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 2: But there was the grown people's side and the kids side.

696
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 1: We had our own side.

697
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 3: I'm I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure he didn't have permission.

698
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 1: No, he went through the closet. He tore their door down. No,

699
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 1: he tore the closet down. Yeah, he went through the

700
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 1: two cars, the door, I'm sorry, the wall, he literally

701
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 1: made it. Yeah, he had two upstairs.

702
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:28,399
Speaker 2: Oh, it was when I said I was a dude

703
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 2: at school because everything out there is flat.

704
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 1: The houses, you know meanwayt the houses are flat.

705
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 2: We lived in a high riser that was connected, connected,

706
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 2: and we had our and I look, i'm fourteen.

707
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 1: You know you jumped far.

708
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 2: Actually, because I'm fourteen, I'm in high school team.

709
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, you jumped far. I thought I was eight.

710
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 2: No, that's not you must have been because remember I'm

711
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 2: in ninth grade at Augington. Oh ship, Yeah, I'm playing

712
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 2: house hard.

713
00:40:56,239 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 1: I'm playing house because moving I don't know yeah, I mean,

714
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 1: I meant he got a plug out there. You know,

715
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 1: they in the streets, they doing what they're doing. What

716
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 1: was it was the hood out there, Hartesville, Hartville, Harsville,

717
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like Ron News. You know

718
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:15,319
Speaker 1: he was moving around and yeah, yeah, I guess I

719
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:17,360
Speaker 1: jumped a couple of years. But in that yeah, in

720
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 1: that time, you know, he got back cracking. He got

721
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 1: back cracking, went back home. That's when he got set up.

722
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 1: Somebody set him up. Uh, and he caught a charge

723
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 1: and he went to jail, and we went to jail

724
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 1: with him, and that's how we ended up Reno. So

725
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 1: we lived in Reno for a high second. Uh maybe

726
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 1: boy a year, maybe by a year because he got

727
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 1: My father had three years. He got three years in

728
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 1: the state and three years in the FED. He had

729
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 1: a fair charge and and and the state charge that

730
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 1: we thought they originally gave him thirty six years because

731
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:01,359
Speaker 1: it was cheers on the sixties on that but they

732
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 1: ran it concurrently. See do you even know what that means?

733
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 1: Same time And we didn't, we didn't, we didn't, yeh.

734
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 1: Concurrents life is a concurrent.

735
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 2: When he's at first of all, he's representing himself.

736
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, like a priest has against.

737
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 2: It was against our uncle, who was the biggest police

738
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 2: at the time. Kickshaw rest in peace now, ron NEU

739
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 2: couldn't wait to get him on the stand so that

740
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 2: he could cross examine.

741
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 1: Our auntie, our youngest auntie. My mama married the biggest

742
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 1: gangster in the city, and her little sister married the

743
00:42:57,680 --> 00:42:58,239
Speaker 1: biggest cop.

744
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 2: And they come from this hood.

745
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 1: How about they come from the same hood police. But

746
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:07,879
Speaker 1: you know, our uncle just decided to become a cop,

747
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 1: and we you know, he married our untie maybe when

748
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 1: I think I was like eight, yeah around I say

749
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 1: that same exact time he was. He was newly in

750
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 1: the family. He was newly in the family at that time.

751
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:19,399
Speaker 1: Uh So.

752
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:23,839
Speaker 2: He tells us our dad and well, by the time,

753
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 2: we're like at this time, we're like the new the

754
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 2: new turre and army. We're like little soldiers for him.

755
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 2: Whatever he say has to go. So he was like,

756
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,359
Speaker 2: what I need y'all to do is I need y'all

757
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:37,919
Speaker 2: to make free ron new signs and I need y'all

758
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 2: to go out in front of jail, the courthouse, the house,

759
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 2: the steps with all signs and I need y'all to

760
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 2: protest to help me get out.

761
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 1: He's protesting.

762
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 2: We had Free Run News signs it's protesting outside a

763
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 2: fifty Bryant and saying I'm talking about our friends is

764
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 2: coming by. It's you're talking about embarrassing, bro. This was

765
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:57,799
Speaker 2: embarrassing Tank.

766
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 1: I'm not you think your kids would pick it for you?

767
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 1: My kids? Will you think they were free? Bob? I

768
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 1: think the better. I think better. Actually a couple of

769
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 1: them probably wouldn't, but I feel I don't giving one

770
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,240
Speaker 1: on it. I got the same kind of story.

771
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 2: We're out there with the Free Run News sons and

772
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 2: he's representing himself up as juices didn't work, and then

773
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 2: they and then his cousins come in, other gangsters. They're like,

774
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,839
Speaker 2: oh my god, this is a circus. He's in there

775
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 2: representing he's been to jail for and so we're sitting

776
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 2: there and the judge. They come back to judge says.

777
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 1: All these years charges, six years and currently, but we

778
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 1: didn't know what current. We think that they gave. The

779
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 1: protests didn't work, So he gets he gets six years.

780
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:02,319
Speaker 1: Uh you know, state time, you gotta go do, you

781
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 1: gotta go? Do pretty much fifty percent and and you know,

782
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 1: in the midst of them of his transfer, he escaped.

783
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:17,719
Speaker 1: He did it stay time he escaped, and it got

784
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 1: tricky for us. So from like nine to ten and

785
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:23,880
Speaker 1: a half, it got really tricky for us. Like it

786
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 1: just came home like yeah, no, no, I'm gonna tell you.

787
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:30,360
Speaker 1: So it got you know, it just nigga. We couldn't survive.

788
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:32,880
Speaker 1: It was tough. It was really tough. It was no

789
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:37,840
Speaker 1: work and obviously no work in Reno, so moms couldn't

790
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 1: really work. We was trying to figure it out, government assistance,

791
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:45,799
Speaker 1: whatever kind of assistance, and it was fucked up. And

792
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:49,959
Speaker 1: we went to go see him and he was like, oh, no, no,

793
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 1: I'm coming home. We're like, no, you're not right. But

794
00:45:55,880 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 1: this is Ron Newt. He's made miracles happens before. You know,

795
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 1: he took us to Michael Jackson. So if he says something,

796
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 1: we kind of we kind of believe it. And he

797
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:13,879
Speaker 1: tells our mama, He's like, yeah, come get me kid.

798
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 1: You you know, they have their grown up conversation of

799
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 1: you know what time she supposed to come get him,

800
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 1: and you know, she wakes us up, what three in

801
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 1: the morning, three in the morning, three in the morning

802
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:31,799
Speaker 1: and we're driving in the middle of nowhere back to

803
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 1: where the prison was. Who jumps out the bushes that.

804
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 2: Thing that comes out the bushes like I'm that type

805
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 2: of guy who j and all black with a scully

806
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 2: on kind.

807
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 1: Of what you got to right.

808
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 2: And see It's funny because hear me from his point.

809
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 2: From my point of view, I knew all night we

810
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 2: was going to go get him.

811
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:52,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, shook.

812
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, we're all going to jail because you know,

813
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 2: you think about you think about people breaking people out

814
00:46:57,600 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 2: and being on the lamb. I'm like, yo, we're gonna

815
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:00,319
Speaker 2: be on the run.

816
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:06,879
Speaker 1: He finish sacrifice all. I'm like, selfish ass, nigga, I'm

817
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:11,239
Speaker 1: a kid. We all won't go to jail. So I'm

818
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 1: like not.

819
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 2: But my mama, yeah, one of the ones bro or

820
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 2: ride or die. When he said come get me, she

821
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 2: was like, okay, yeah, and she didn't care that the kids.

822
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:24,320
Speaker 1: It wasn't just us, No, it's also our other cousin.

823
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:27,400
Speaker 1: And I'm showing and his mama in a big.

824
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:30,320
Speaker 2: And a big ass was in a big ass Cadillac.

825
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:33,840
Speaker 1: In a big ass I don't know. I don't know

826
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:34,319
Speaker 1: what we did.

827
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:38,360
Speaker 2: So he jumps in the whole way. I'm looking, I'm like,

828
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 2: they gotta be coming. I'm nervous. I'm like, they gotta

829
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:41,320
Speaker 2: be coming.

830
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 1: It never came. It never came. And in Reno, no,

831
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 1: we're we're in the mountains. That was yes. And do

832
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 1: you drive back to Reno or do you drive back

833
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 1: to get our strive back to Rena to get our stuff?

834
00:47:55,960 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 1: And my dad and Ryan Bob's twins, they leave, we

835
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 1: stay when they leave. He got to go make a

836
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:13,359
Speaker 1: couple more trips to Indiana because he got to get

837
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 1: back on his feet. And at this time back then,

838
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 1: you know, you get on the plane with a paper

839
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:20,359
Speaker 1: paper I d and you know, I mean you got

840
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 1: a kid with you, and you know, let's just say

841
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:28,880
Speaker 1: some you know, some country band went and some finances

842
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 1: came back. And when he came back to get us,

843
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 1: he got money and the U haul he was headed

844
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 1: back to l A. And the matter of back on

845
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:44,840
Speaker 1: a week's time. Weeks time, we're back to l A.

846
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 1: We moved to some you know, little apartment onyall on Crenshaw,

847
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 1: very gang infested.

848
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:53,720
Speaker 2: Super gang in I hit him multiple times.

849
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, he definitely got pressed. Where you're from? Where you

850
00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 1: from you from right, because you got to say he's

851
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 1: so at that point, they those questions. Niggas is getting

852
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 1: pressed at that age, you know what I mean, Like, man,

853
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:07,319
Speaker 1: we're not from here, We're from the Bay, right, So

854
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:13,840
Speaker 1: we get to la. Unbeknownst to us, this over this

855
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:17,839
Speaker 1: year and a half whatever it was two years while

856
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 1: my dad was in jail, our videos are circulating of

857
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:27,080
Speaker 1: us performing, like videotapes are circulating of us performing throughout

858
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:31,279
Speaker 1: the music industry. We have no idea. But back then

859
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 1: it wasn't though finding artist on Instagram, finding him, blah

860
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 1: blah blah. It was we can't find this family. We

861
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 1: don't know where they are. Nobody could find us because,

862
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 1: like I said, when Ron Newton went to jail, we

863
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 1: went to with him. So it was no finding us

864
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 1: and ship we probably had no phone really working at

865
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 1: the time. We was just was fucked up. It was bad.

866
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 1: It was bad. But now he out and now all

867
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 1: the people you know, he tapping in, He tapping in

868
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:02,759
Speaker 1: to whoever, you know, He tapping in enough because he knows,

869
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 1: you know, he's on the run so much. And I

870
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 1: think what worked out for him is that he was

871
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 1: in transition from going to state to Feds, so it

872
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:15,439
Speaker 1: already did his state time. So I think the state

873
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 1: probably not even they're not they're not looking for him

874
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:19,759
Speaker 1: at this point. Now the Feds, it's a federal thing,

875
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 1: so they're looking for him, but they haven't received him yet.

876
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 1: It's a different you know whatever whatever, you know, different time.

877
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:29,759
Speaker 1: So as this tape is circulating, my dad's getting on

878
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:33,440
Speaker 1: the phone. Bubba hamp again is you know, connected to

879
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 1: the industry. He knows people, they know him, he's you know,

880
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:40,360
Speaker 1: now he's letting people know like, oh no, we found him.

881
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:42,400
Speaker 1: They're starting to put people on the phone with Pops.

882
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:46,400
Speaker 1: So the first person that gets to our dad was

883
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 1: Scherl Dickerson. Scherl Dickerson, you may know her from as Gaps.

884
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:56,239
Speaker 1: She was an ASKAP for a long time and she

885
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 1: had been searching for us and trying to get a

886
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 1: hold of us. But as she's searching for she's switching labels.

887
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 1: She's going from MCA to Sony. But the mistake she

888
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:13,479
Speaker 1: made was that she also played us for the young

889
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 1: man who was under her. No no, no, no no.

890
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 2: She was leaving MCA with Jill Busby to go to Motown.

891
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, yeah, yeah, yes, yes, but the young man

892
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 1: that was under them was Louis Silas Junior. Yeah, and

893
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:33,279
Speaker 1: obviously Derl Busby had the boys. Yes, So he's like, oh,

894
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 1: that's my old bosses. They got the boys. I'm about

895
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 1: to get these neutrons. I'm going to find them. We

896
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 1: don't know that though, because Cheryl's trying to find us.

897
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:45,759
Speaker 1: So my father talks to Cheryl and then he gets

898
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 1: a phone phone call from Louis. Louil had an end.

899
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:54,440
Speaker 1: Louis from San Francisco. Wait, what this nigga? But I

900
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 1: don't know none of this shit. So Louil originally from

901
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 1: San Francisco, have family in San Francisco. I was able

902
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:06,880
Speaker 1: to get to dad another way around through the streets.

903
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 1: So we meet. I think we met with Cheryl. I

904
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 1: think she offered us a deal, offered our data deal.

905
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 1: We get a call from Louis. Loul says, whatever she

906
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 1: offered you, I'll triple it. We talked to a street niggas.

907
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 1: All we know is doubling in the streets. You're gonna

908
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:33,920
Speaker 1: burn it though you might get stretched it. Two to

909
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:39,839
Speaker 1: try and sech three. We're gon. We're gonnay man, So

910
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:44,360
Speaker 1: you know once that happened, and then he used the

911
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 1: Homeboys ship of course from San Francisco, and it was

912
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:49,360
Speaker 1: a fly nigga Lou you know what I mean, if

913
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 1: you go back and anybody you can google Little Solace

914
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 1: man Loul was that guy. Loul looked like the executive

915
00:52:56,160 --> 00:53:02,400
Speaker 1: version of Keith Washington, because Keith Washington was that. Yeah, absolutely,

916
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:06,320
Speaker 1: Keith Watching was that. Nick right Lowell was the executive

917
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 1: version of him. So when you've seen him, it was like,

918
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:10,240
Speaker 1: damn is he an artist? He got the drop top bands,

919
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 1: He had just bought a house and then seen O.

920
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 1: He showed us the crib. Were like, we get to

921
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:17,879
Speaker 1: live here. Now you'll get to live here. But if

922
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 1: you hang out with we're gonna yeah, yeah, we're gonna,

923
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:20,960
Speaker 1: were gonna, We're gonna do what we're supposed to do.

924
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:25,960
Speaker 1: We signed the m c A Records Records, and you know,

925
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 1: there was a lot of stinks. There was a lot

926
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:29,840
Speaker 1: of things that happened that will be in the movie

927
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:34,359
Speaker 1: within you know, just just us signing and us getting

928
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:37,839
Speaker 1: our deal and they throw us in the studio, they

929
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:41,839
Speaker 1: throw us in the studio and now it's it's really real.

930
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:45,279
Speaker 1: Would you say that about now it's really real because

931
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 1: we got a major label record. Like, this ship is

932
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:52,760
Speaker 1: no joke anymore. Now it's like we've now, we've arrived.

933
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 1: Now it's we're getting paid for what we do. We

934
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 1: got paid in things. Oh mhm, everybody got cars. I

935
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 1: was too young, So I got a bike. Okay, so

936
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:10,799
Speaker 1: I take that. At least I got a bike. Got

937
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:12,879
Speaker 1: a bike. I got a bike, right, And we got

938
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:14,279
Speaker 1: to you know, we lived in a crazy house. We

939
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 1: had a fly house, were out in Diamond Bar at

940
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:18,799
Speaker 1: the time. Oh, don't be sad. We had a ball.

941
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:21,239
Speaker 1: We had we had we had a we had an

942
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 1: absolute ball. And you know, now we're in the music

943
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 1: business where it's really serious. And then we start seeing

944
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:29,759
Speaker 1: because he would take us and this is something that

945
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 1: I appreciate to this day. He would take us into

946
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 1: all the meetings. So I'm just listening. I was that kid.

947
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 1: I wanted to listen. I didn't know what the ship

948
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:42,480
Speaker 1: meant at the time, but I was hearing those words.

949
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:48,440
Speaker 1: I was hearing publishing royalties, advanced, recooled like. I was

950
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:52,480
Speaker 1: hearing those words. It wasn't really connecting, but you heard

951
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:55,759
Speaker 1: those words. Yeah, when you do a deal at least

952
00:54:55,760 --> 00:55:00,880
Speaker 1: at that time, they wanted everything that you recorded before

953
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 1: you signed. So what Ryan Newton realized was, I can

954
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:10,360
Speaker 1: get another check on top of this triple advance I

955
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:17,640
Speaker 1: just got for old songs. So pops started getting old

956
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:20,400
Speaker 1: demos that we were on and just selling them the MCA.

957
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 1: I'm talking about shit. That was because back then they

958
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:28,000
Speaker 1: never wanted old music to come out. They wanted to

959
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 1: have everything you've ever done so they can own it

960
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:35,000
Speaker 1: in perpetuity, they can own it forever. They didn't want

961
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:37,840
Speaker 1: somebody popping up and saying, oh, we got a little

962
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:39,719
Speaker 1: you know, a little ep on the neutrons that were

963
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 1: gonna drop too, so they would buy it all. They

964
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 1: were giving him five thousand a song. They were giving

965
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 1: him five thousand for every song he found that had

966
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:48,839
Speaker 1: our voices on it. So he find in all kind

967
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:49,160
Speaker 1: of shit.

968
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:54,600
Speaker 2: You can't tell a pimp that he pimped it, and.

969
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:58,960
Speaker 1: All of them actually Bob wrote them. No, I'm just

970
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:01,120
Speaker 1: you know, saying by the time, yeah, because he goes

971
00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:06,720
Speaker 1: the other part. Now. They also have MCA Records, whose

972
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:12,239
Speaker 1: mother company is Universal, which has Universal Publishing. So what

973
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:16,399
Speaker 1: does Universal Publishing do for your dad? A pubs deal

974
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:20,120
Speaker 1: for Bob mc a laid it out for the Neutrons.

975
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:22,719
Speaker 1: I can say that when it all kicked off, they

976
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 1: laid shit out bro like, and we were like the

977
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:26,239
Speaker 1: kids of the label. So we would just get to

978
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 1: run up in there were running through everybody office Ron

979
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:30,560
Speaker 1: New taking niggas plaques.

980
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:34,359
Speaker 2: He actually we would be in there. He had keys

981
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:34,799
Speaker 2: or something.

982
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:36,440
Speaker 1: I feel like he had a key to the building. Bro.

983
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:38,839
Speaker 2: You know, we would go at night and there would

984
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:41,360
Speaker 2: be nobody there and Ron New would just tell us

985
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:43,880
Speaker 2: to just we was taking plaques off the walls, like

986
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:46,399
Speaker 2: we had new edition plaques we had.

987
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:51,440
Speaker 1: We didn't work on new audition pretty sure. Any heartbreak,

988
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:57,919
Speaker 1: Yeah a plaque name had a Bobby Brown plaque. Yeah yeah,

989
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 1: that was my provative plaque off for Rocket Black. So two.

990
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 2: Somebody had told him how to play the game tank

991
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:09,520
Speaker 2: about the budget. This is what jacked our album out,

992
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:12,279
Speaker 2: like somebody told him it had to be one of

993
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:14,760
Speaker 2: my old niggas bro from Motown or something. Remember, because

994
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 2: he started meeting all of the the guys who were

995
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 2: in but not in no more. The niggas that kind

996
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:23,760
Speaker 2: of had a foot had learned some ship, but nobody

997
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:25,120
Speaker 2: wasn't really fucking with him no more.

998
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:27,880
Speaker 1: They was his partners and he was learning the business

999
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 1: from them.

1000
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:31,720
Speaker 2: So he punked little Sidness and took over the budget.

1001
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:35,160
Speaker 2: He's turning in songs. The nigga was out of control.

1002
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:39,680
Speaker 2: Listen to me, Tank he he. If he would have

1003
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:41,200
Speaker 2: let this man do his job.

1004
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 1: Right, we would have been huge, because it was. It

1005
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:46,160
Speaker 1: was fully let out for us, Like I said, it

1006
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 1: was fully they got us anyway. He was. He was

1007
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 1: in competition. Louis was in competition with so he was like,

1008
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:55,360
Speaker 1: I'm ready to throw the building. I'm ready to throw

1009
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:58,200
Speaker 1: the building at it. And these kids are you know

1010
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:02,520
Speaker 1: we had we had been fine too. If there was

1011
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 1: a version of the Marines for singers at that point,

1012
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:09,680
Speaker 1: at that age, that was us, like we were, we

1013
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:13,600
Speaker 1: were on it, and then they put us with brook

1014
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:15,960
Speaker 1: pay the legendary.

1015
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:17,680
Speaker 2: That's what I want to say to I ain't never

1016
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:20,000
Speaker 2: got a chance to tell him this. As a ten

1017
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:23,640
Speaker 2: year old, this nigga was cold. And when I say that,

1018
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:27,320
Speaker 2: like he was this amazing, amazing singer, but he could

1019
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:29,360
Speaker 2: sing and he could hold his own, but we had

1020
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 2: real routines. Next to Michael Jackson at ten, he was

1021
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:39,320
Speaker 2: he didn't miss because we were doing intricate routines. You

1022
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, every beat had something and he

1023
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:45,880
Speaker 2: ain't missed, That's what he's saying, like precision, like it

1024
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:47,000
Speaker 2: was missed.

1025
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:50,960
Speaker 1: He was amazing. We were in rehearsal. We were in

1026
00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:53,680
Speaker 1: serious rehearsal. I mean even when Brooke got us. Brooke

1027
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:57,919
Speaker 1: was like all these kids, they really go after it,

1028
00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:00,760
Speaker 1: and we wasn't quitting and we would be trying to

1029
00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:02,280
Speaker 1: throw in all the little ship like I said that

1030
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:03,960
Speaker 1: when little Steve was here, like trying to you know,

1031
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:07,000
Speaker 1: because we love Troup, but we love new Addition. But

1032
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:10,120
Speaker 1: then we love Bobby Brown, who told us he didn't rehearse, right.

1033
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:12,600
Speaker 1: I remember, I remember we met him and Hard and

1034
00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:14,760
Speaker 1: Soul at the build I think it was at his plaque.

1035
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:17,680
Speaker 1: They were giving him a plaque for selling a gazillion records.

1036
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 1: He's the king R and B at the time. And

1037
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:24,640
Speaker 1: we asked him, were like, Bobby, like like what y'all

1038
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:28,800
Speaker 1: be doing? Like the rehearsals in it him and Heart

1039
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:34,640
Speaker 1: and Soul was like want be rehearsed? What like that? Bobby,

1040
00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:38,520
Speaker 1: I don't know, rehearse it. You niggas gonna rehearse what

1041
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:41,480
Speaker 1: the big So we went back to rehearsal. But you know,

1042
00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:43,520
Speaker 1: we was working with did you at least get to

1043
00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:47,640
Speaker 1: from this situation bit to put out a record? So okay,

1044
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:53,440
Speaker 1: we're speeding all this, all this tank, all this is

1045
00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:56,760
Speaker 1: happening in a matter of a year. Like all these

1046
00:59:56,800 --> 00:59:58,480
Speaker 1: things are happening. You know, people be on the shelf,

1047
00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:04,080
Speaker 1: all this kind of ship. They couldn't shell for us

1048
01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:07,080
Speaker 1: because ron New would not allow them to because there

1049
01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:08,760
Speaker 1: was some other shit that went on a little label

1050
01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:12,000
Speaker 1: that had nothing to do with us, some other groups

1051
01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:15,760
Speaker 1: that they were going to actually shove us for a minute,

1052
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:19,280
Speaker 1: which we probably we probably still needed a little development,

1053
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:21,720
Speaker 1: even though we had been in it so long on

1054
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:25,640
Speaker 1: that level, we probably still needed some development. It wouldn't

1055
01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:28,120
Speaker 1: it wouldn't have hurt us, and we were still babies.

1056
01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:31,640
Speaker 1: We're still super young. But Ron k New had a

1057
01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:35,200
Speaker 1: clock in his head because I go back to he

1058
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:39,360
Speaker 1: was on a round run, so he was fighting that

1059
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:44,400
Speaker 1: so it was making him put more pressure on them

1060
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:47,400
Speaker 1: to rush us. And at this point they had given

1061
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:49,680
Speaker 1: him all this money. So when they told him we

1062
01:00:49,760 --> 01:01:03,040
Speaker 1: had to wait, he said, fuck y'all. Y'all found us

1063
01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:08,600
Speaker 1: a video director partner with him, put the money from this,

1064
01:01:09,120 --> 01:01:11,320
Speaker 1: from advances and all this other shit into the video

1065
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:16,280
Speaker 1: himself spend fifty thousand dollars on our first video. He

1066
01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:19,000
Speaker 1: picked our single, My Heartbeat for You, was not supposed

1067
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:21,840
Speaker 1: to be our single, and if any of you, you know,

1068
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:23,680
Speaker 1: people go back to it and they're like, oh, Marg

1069
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:28,880
Speaker 1: Beach us a great record. I hate that record. Honestly,

1070
01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:32,120
Speaker 1: I hate that record. It's not a kid's record, you

1071
01:01:32,160 --> 01:01:34,080
Speaker 1: know what I mean? It wasn't. We had so many

1072
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:38,400
Speaker 1: records that were of the time, and you know, but

1073
01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:41,280
Speaker 1: ron Knut was like, you need a power ballad and listen,

1074
01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:47,200
Speaker 1: he come from he come from music, right, So that's

1075
01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:49,200
Speaker 1: what we were. Nigga. We put on a motherfucking you know,

1076
01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:53,120
Speaker 1: sparkly suit sequence and shit, and we had fake rain.

1077
01:01:54,360 --> 01:01:57,320
Speaker 1: We had motherfucking Wokie on the planet. Harp Nigga was

1078
01:01:57,360 --> 01:02:01,520
Speaker 1: a harp. Even a song. What wasn't I get a

1079
01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:04,200
Speaker 1: full ye full orchestra. I just knew it was a hard.

1080
01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:06,320
Speaker 1: I just knew it was a harp on the damn stage.

1081
01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:09,040
Speaker 1: And I'm like, why is this fucking harp on the stage?

1082
01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:13,160
Speaker 1: Man don't like harps to this day, no, nigga played

1083
01:02:13,160 --> 01:02:20,320
Speaker 1: hard with me, I might kick them up. So he

1084
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:26,360
Speaker 1: was rushing them and they just gave in. But what

1085
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:28,760
Speaker 1: I understand about the machine now and what I understand

1086
01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:34,840
Speaker 1: and what I learned then, was that they will show

1087
01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:38,880
Speaker 1: you why they're the machine. So he forced them, he

1088
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:41,960
Speaker 1: forced their hand. We put the song out. The song

1089
01:02:42,080 --> 01:02:45,120
Speaker 1: is doing good. But the song is doing good because

1090
01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:48,520
Speaker 1: of how much work we were putting in. It wasn't

1091
01:02:48,520 --> 01:02:50,160
Speaker 1: like it was a radio record. It wasn't like, you

1092
01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:51,720
Speaker 1: know what I mean, we got a fucking power ballot.

1093
01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:53,760
Speaker 1: They're gonna play it on overnights. They're gonna play a

1094
01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:56,360
Speaker 1: ten year old in two fifteen year olds on a

1095
01:02:56,440 --> 01:02:59,800
Speaker 1: quiet storm. That's literally where we were falling. We were

1096
01:02:59,800 --> 01:03:04,480
Speaker 1: get overnight spins. But my father had the idea of like,

1097
01:03:04,520 --> 01:03:06,320
Speaker 1: fuck it, we just gonna hit the chitlinser, We're gonna

1098
01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:09,160
Speaker 1: hit the streets. So he put together his own promo

1099
01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:12,200
Speaker 1: along with the promo team, like a twenty six twenty

1100
01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:15,960
Speaker 1: six city tour of you know, high schools and malls,

1101
01:03:16,040 --> 01:03:17,600
Speaker 1: and you know that that's when they used to throw

1102
01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:19,920
Speaker 1: the kid acts at all of the you're doing the

1103
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:21,760
Speaker 1: high school, you're doing in the middle school. You going

1104
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:24,120
Speaker 1: to the boys club. Then you're gonna do autograph signing

1105
01:03:24,160 --> 01:03:25,920
Speaker 1: at the shoe store, and then we go go to

1106
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:29,400
Speaker 1: the record store. Throw us out there when we get there.

1107
01:03:31,560 --> 01:03:36,080
Speaker 1: Were cooking. We're fucking cooking. We're cooking. He bought a

1108
01:03:37,120 --> 01:03:41,360
Speaker 1: he bought a camper. Bought a camper. For some reason,

1109
01:03:41,360 --> 01:03:43,640
Speaker 1: we never really got up to the tour bus thing.

1110
01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:47,760
Speaker 1: He would turn everything into a tour bus. So he

1111
01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:54,920
Speaker 1: gets a camper. He's still on the run. Us three manager,

1112
01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:58,040
Speaker 1: our sisters, the road manager, and our mother. And we

1113
01:03:58,120 --> 01:04:00,280
Speaker 1: got our dogs, and we got our dogs pee wee

1114
01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:04,760
Speaker 1: in August. But I skipped something that is very important

1115
01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:12,640
Speaker 1: that I've never spoke about before. You remember what I said.

1116
01:04:13,080 --> 01:04:18,919
Speaker 1: It was four of us, four brothers, when we got

1117
01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:24,400
Speaker 1: our opportunity to get our record deal. My brother Ron,

1118
01:04:24,560 --> 01:04:30,120
Speaker 1: our oldest brother, his mother's side, wanted to see the contract.

1119
01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:37,880
Speaker 1: You don't ask Ron new to see a contract. This

1120
01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:42,080
Speaker 1: is his kids, this is his thing, and you're lucky

1121
01:04:42,080 --> 01:04:43,720
Speaker 1: that he's asking you to come be a part of it.

1122
01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:48,560
Speaker 1: Be a part of it. So Ron don't get signed

1123
01:04:48,600 --> 01:04:55,960
Speaker 1: with us. In my opinion, it's our biggest mistake. One

1124
01:04:56,080 --> 01:05:00,000
Speaker 1: is our brother. You know, and you you family for us,

1125
01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:02,680
Speaker 1: so you know how we are like I have never

1126
01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:05,560
Speaker 1: met a family as close as us to this day,

1127
01:05:06,120 --> 01:05:08,600
Speaker 1: I've never met anybody close as we are. I mean

1128
01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:11,200
Speaker 1: that I've met. I'm sure there are families that are

1129
01:05:11,240 --> 01:05:13,920
Speaker 1: like us, but we really in the trenches together. We

1130
01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:16,600
Speaker 1: really rock out with each other. We still, you know,

1131
01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:18,960
Speaker 1: we love to see each other and hang out with

1132
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:22,960
Speaker 1: each other. So I personally think, and I'll get back

1133
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:25,000
Speaker 1: to that a little bit later, but I personally think

1134
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:28,080
Speaker 1: that was our biggest mistake. Are my father's biggest mistake

1135
01:05:28,280 --> 01:05:30,240
Speaker 1: in music. Fuck all the other shit with the money

1136
01:05:30,280 --> 01:05:33,480
Speaker 1: and the deals and all that time, but Ron not

1137
01:05:33,640 --> 01:05:36,600
Speaker 1: being in our group, to me was our biggest mistake.

1138
01:05:37,720 --> 01:05:42,760
Speaker 1: So now it's three and you know, we're you know,

1139
01:05:42,840 --> 01:05:44,840
Speaker 1: we're got the record deal. Now we're on the road,

1140
01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:47,800
Speaker 1: the songs out, My Heartbeats for You is out, and

1141
01:05:47,880 --> 01:05:50,800
Speaker 1: all the old people love our shit because it's like

1142
01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:52,520
Speaker 1: it's old people music, you know what I'm saying, Like

1143
01:05:52,520 --> 01:05:55,320
Speaker 1: we make it grown up ass music. And then the

1144
01:05:55,720 --> 01:05:58,400
Speaker 1: kids love us because we look like them and we

1145
01:05:58,520 --> 01:06:00,360
Speaker 1: danceing and we singing and we just you know, we

1146
01:06:00,600 --> 01:06:05,680
Speaker 1: we a ball of fire going back to the label,

1147
01:06:05,720 --> 01:06:08,280
Speaker 1: showing you what the machine is about. When we get

1148
01:06:08,280 --> 01:06:13,320
Speaker 1: out there, we're selling out everywhere. We fucking we shut

1149
01:06:13,360 --> 01:06:17,200
Speaker 1: down be a mall in Oakland called up East My Mall.

1150
01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:22,760
Speaker 1: Five thousand kids, five thousands tell you they're scared to do.

1151
01:06:23,560 --> 01:06:29,240
Speaker 1: They pulled. They pulled my duct tail man til I'm like,

1152
01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:30,200
Speaker 1: get me out of here.

1153
01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:32,120
Speaker 2: We had a wall of security around us.

1154
01:06:33,040 --> 01:06:33,960
Speaker 1: It was so dope.

1155
01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:38,200
Speaker 2: Tony Tony, Tony is from Oakland. They never did that

1156
01:06:38,240 --> 01:06:41,080
Speaker 2: at East My Mother. They came to our autograph signing.

1157
01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:45,280
Speaker 2: It's something about kid you know what I mean.

1158
01:06:45,280 --> 01:06:49,120
Speaker 1: It's something about kid acts that it just connects because

1159
01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:53,439
Speaker 1: kids are never too cool. Ye, adults can get cool

1160
01:06:53,960 --> 01:06:58,000
Speaker 1: kids fast. Yeah. Man, they excited. Let's have it. They

1161
01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:00,160
Speaker 1: are excited when they see the artists that they up.

1162
01:07:00,160 --> 01:07:03,000
Speaker 1: They're excited. So they loved us and we was hometown heroes.

1163
01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:05,360
Speaker 1: We should do this video show out there called soul

1164
01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:09,640
Speaker 1: Beat So Beat. That's how that was like.

1165
01:07:09,600 --> 01:07:12,240
Speaker 2: The ghetto version of BT. Yeah, it was one dude

1166
01:07:12,280 --> 01:07:14,480
Speaker 2: that owned it from Oakland. And yeah, if you was

1167
01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:15,640
Speaker 2: cracking on so Bet.

1168
01:07:17,040 --> 01:07:20,280
Speaker 1: Because you was playing all day every day, sol Beat

1169
01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:23,880
Speaker 1: was home for us. They loved us. Right, and uh

1170
01:07:24,560 --> 01:07:27,640
Speaker 1: so we're going this. We're going this, uh promo run.

1171
01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:30,960
Speaker 1: What we realized when we get to the stores is

1172
01:07:31,800 --> 01:07:33,840
Speaker 1: one of the radio reps are one of the store

1173
01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:39,400
Speaker 1: people then told Ryan Newton that MCA Records ain't shipping

1174
01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:45,320
Speaker 1: our music. That was the lesson, like we put y'all out.

1175
01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:50,160
Speaker 1: It's not gonna win on our on our you know,

1176
01:07:50,720 --> 01:07:53,520
Speaker 1: on our time, not not why you're trying to control

1177
01:07:53,600 --> 01:07:57,200
Speaker 1: it so they would sell out, We sell it out

1178
01:07:57,240 --> 01:08:01,840
Speaker 1: around the country and not replish the store. Yeah, they

1179
01:08:01,880 --> 01:08:04,040
Speaker 1: can't get no more CDs in. We were going to

1180
01:08:04,120 --> 01:08:06,840
Speaker 1: autograph signings that we couldn't sign CDs because they were

1181
01:08:06,840 --> 01:08:09,320
Speaker 1: already sold out. So now they're trying to find those

1182
01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:11,520
Speaker 1: A body teams. We just signing those. But we can't

1183
01:08:11,520 --> 01:08:14,040
Speaker 1: sell no records. It's five thousand kids there. You can't

1184
01:08:14,040 --> 01:08:19,720
Speaker 1: sell nobody no music that can be fucked. So Royn

1185
01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:22,680
Speaker 1: Newp being Roy Newt, he gets on that phone. He

1186
01:08:22,840 --> 01:08:26,320
Speaker 1: going crazy, nigga, when I get back to LA and

1187
01:08:26,920 --> 01:08:30,519
Speaker 1: every threat you can imagine, and actually every promise you

1188
01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:35,360
Speaker 1: can imagine, these were not threats. Every promise that you

1189
01:08:35,400 --> 01:08:39,880
Speaker 1: can imagine. He was on his way home, so he

1190
01:08:39,960 --> 01:08:49,000
Speaker 1: pulls us off the road. We get home and he,

1191
01:08:49,200 --> 01:08:52,120
Speaker 1: you know, Louil won't meet with him because loul know

1192
01:08:52,280 --> 01:08:55,400
Speaker 1: is a promise. He will not meet with him. He

1193
01:08:55,640 --> 01:09:02,679
Speaker 1: is ducking. He is fully ducking. So one day Pop

1194
01:09:02,760 --> 01:09:06,160
Speaker 1: say we're going to We're going to m c A.

1195
01:09:06,920 --> 01:09:08,960
Speaker 1: Me and Ronnie like, we're going to. I don't know

1196
01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:11,400
Speaker 1: why you didn't go. I wasn't going. You went to bullshit.

1197
01:09:11,479 --> 01:09:13,000
Speaker 2: I wasn't with it at all. He was about to

1198
01:09:13,040 --> 01:09:17,960
Speaker 2: ruin it. I knew what he was about to do. Yeah, wait,

1199
01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:19,720
Speaker 2: but you you didn't jump too far ahead. You didn't

1200
01:09:19,720 --> 01:09:21,680
Speaker 2: tell him you was on Soul Train with Don Cornelius.

1201
01:09:21,680 --> 01:09:24,160
Speaker 1: You didn't tell him, so's Yeah, that's part of the

1202
01:09:24,240 --> 01:09:25,559
Speaker 1: m c A roll out. They you know, we got

1203
01:09:25,600 --> 01:09:29,400
Speaker 1: to do these really cool things. We got to do

1204
01:09:30,800 --> 01:09:34,519
Speaker 1: Soul trained Don Cornelius, the real, the real Soul Train

1205
01:09:34,600 --> 01:09:41,360
Speaker 1: with Yeah, we got to do video sol with Donnie Simpson.

1206
01:09:42,280 --> 01:09:43,760
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. We got They were really

1207
01:09:43,800 --> 01:09:48,559
Speaker 1: putting us in places to be successful from a from

1208
01:09:48,600 --> 01:09:53,000
Speaker 1: a promo sense. But we had an album out, not

1209
01:09:53,160 --> 01:09:56,080
Speaker 1: just a single, like My Heartbeat for You was out

1210
01:09:56,080 --> 01:09:58,559
Speaker 1: as a single, but the album was out, and they

1211
01:09:58,640 --> 01:10:02,519
Speaker 1: weren't reshipping it to one right, So no matter what,

1212
01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:06,240
Speaker 1: they just like the waters cut off and keep it shut.

1213
01:10:07,360 --> 01:10:10,479
Speaker 1: So now we're back in La. We do the whole run.

1214
01:10:11,080 --> 01:10:14,080
Speaker 1: We do the whole run. And when we get back,

1215
01:10:14,800 --> 01:10:17,439
Speaker 1: you know, we were taking this, we're taking this road trip.

1216
01:10:18,439 --> 01:10:21,280
Speaker 1: We're taking this road trip up to the MCA Records.

1217
01:10:21,640 --> 01:10:23,760
Speaker 1: That Vibe ain't fucking with this. I'm not going like

1218
01:10:23,800 --> 01:10:27,720
Speaker 1: he said, he's about to fuck it all up. I

1219
01:10:27,760 --> 01:10:31,200
Speaker 1: heard him on the phone. It's off with when you

1220
01:10:31,240 --> 01:10:35,160
Speaker 1: go up there, it's a rock. So we get up

1221
01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:39,800
Speaker 1: there and they're not letting us in. They always let

1222
01:10:39,880 --> 01:10:43,360
Speaker 1: us in at this point in the music business. I

1223
01:10:43,400 --> 01:10:46,040
Speaker 1: will credit him. Yeah, so other people will argue with

1224
01:10:46,040 --> 01:10:49,719
Speaker 1: me about what the rappers did, I will credit Ron

1225
01:10:49,880 --> 01:10:53,480
Speaker 1: Newt as the man that made record labels get security.

1226
01:10:54,920 --> 01:10:58,559
Speaker 1: Record labels then' us to have security. They just had it.

1227
01:10:58,600 --> 01:11:02,080
Speaker 1: They have receptionists. You could just get up on the

1228
01:11:02,080 --> 01:11:04,559
Speaker 1: floor if you got past receptionist. You know, I mean

1229
01:11:04,600 --> 01:11:06,639
Speaker 1: like it was. It was different. It wasn't like armed

1230
01:11:06,680 --> 01:11:10,880
Speaker 1: security in that whole day. And we go up to

1231
01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:14,639
Speaker 1: MCA Records and louis not coming out. They saying he's

1232
01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:18,360
Speaker 1: not there, and then his assistant at the time, a

1233
01:11:18,439 --> 01:11:22,040
Speaker 1: lady by the name of Denise Weathersby two years later

1234
01:11:22,560 --> 01:11:27,639
Speaker 1: gave me my first publishing did crazy at Warner Chapel Music.

1235
01:11:27,640 --> 01:11:30,360
Speaker 1: She was she ended up being a publisher. She brings

1236
01:11:30,400 --> 01:11:37,479
Speaker 1: out a copy of our next single. Our next single

1237
01:11:37,560 --> 01:11:39,960
Speaker 1: was the record we actually wanted to drop to be

1238
01:11:40,080 --> 01:11:42,880
Speaker 1: our first single. So me and Ronnie are excited. Nigga,

1239
01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:45,599
Speaker 1: they got the cover, they got the twelve inch. They

1240
01:11:45,720 --> 01:11:52,160
Speaker 1: showing it to us because one second single in his record,

1241
01:11:52,240 --> 01:11:54,880
Speaker 1: either mar Her Beach for You was his record, mar

1242
01:11:55,040 --> 01:11:57,040
Speaker 1: Beach for You was his record. He didn't own the

1243
01:11:57,080 --> 01:12:03,240
Speaker 1: second single. So we know the music business now, right,

1244
01:12:03,280 --> 01:12:05,200
Speaker 1: We all know the music business now. Niggas fighting for

1245
01:12:05,240 --> 01:12:10,040
Speaker 1: they single they record, you know what I mean. And

1246
01:12:10,040 --> 01:12:14,120
Speaker 1: he wasn't going and uh, a friend of his from

1247
01:12:14,120 --> 01:12:17,200
Speaker 1: the streets called him. It was like, come meet with me.

1248
01:12:17,280 --> 01:12:20,880
Speaker 1: Ron You're like, nigga, what they put him on the

1249
01:12:21,000 --> 01:12:22,760
Speaker 1: you know, they put him on the phone with him

1250
01:12:22,800 --> 01:12:24,680
Speaker 1: actually at the label. They put him on the phone

1251
01:12:24,680 --> 01:12:27,280
Speaker 1: when it's somebody that's on the phone for you, and

1252
01:12:27,320 --> 01:12:29,920
Speaker 1: it was, you know, one of his street guys. And

1253
01:12:29,960 --> 01:12:32,719
Speaker 1: we go meet with him and he tells my father

1254
01:12:34,520 --> 01:12:36,479
Speaker 1: don't go back up there. What do you mean, don't

1255
01:12:36,520 --> 01:12:39,040
Speaker 1: go back up there? You're like, no, Ron, this is

1256
01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:40,960
Speaker 1: your this is your patna telling you. This is not

1257
01:12:41,040 --> 01:12:42,960
Speaker 1: like me telling you threatening. You're like me, No, I'm

1258
01:12:42,960 --> 01:12:45,040
Speaker 1: telling you like it ain't gonna be good. Don't play

1259
01:12:45,080 --> 01:12:48,040
Speaker 1: with them people. Nah, they ain't even promise me. And

1260
01:12:48,040 --> 01:12:51,640
Speaker 1: b B blah blah blah blah blah. And you know

1261
01:12:51,920 --> 01:12:53,760
Speaker 1: Ryan knew, you know, had the artillery and all the

1262
01:12:53,800 --> 01:12:55,559
Speaker 1: shit that you know he wanted to go back up

1263
01:12:55,560 --> 01:13:00,760
Speaker 1: there with. And we go back up there, and when

1264
01:13:00,800 --> 01:13:04,760
Speaker 1: we get off it, when we get off the elevator,

1265
01:13:05,280 --> 01:13:10,040
Speaker 1: it's four men in suits. We've all seen enough movies.

1266
01:13:12,600 --> 01:13:16,240
Speaker 1: The fans, the fans are waiting for us. This is

1267
01:13:16,280 --> 01:13:18,080
Speaker 1: all the same day. It's not like we left one

1268
01:13:18,120 --> 01:13:20,120
Speaker 1: day came back. No, Ryan new when and took that

1269
01:13:20,360 --> 01:13:23,879
Speaker 1: thirty minute meeting at that gas station right there on Lancashire,

1270
01:13:24,240 --> 01:13:26,640
Speaker 1: right on the corner. Because MCAA Records used to be

1271
01:13:27,360 --> 01:13:29,800
Speaker 1: right where the hotels are now, right like right where

1272
01:13:29,840 --> 01:13:31,120
Speaker 1: I mean, not the hotels, but he used to be

1273
01:13:31,200 --> 01:13:32,479
Speaker 1: right there. He used to be a Bank of America

1274
01:13:32,520 --> 01:13:36,080
Speaker 1: that they used, and then MCA Records was in a

1275
01:13:36,160 --> 01:13:38,720
Speaker 1: building right there, and then that gas station right on

1276
01:13:38,800 --> 01:13:42,840
Speaker 1: Lancersham and Ventur gotcha exactly. So that's what we took

1277
01:13:42,840 --> 01:13:48,400
Speaker 1: our meeting, our street meeting, and went right around the corner,

1278
01:13:48,720 --> 01:13:51,760
Speaker 1: got off that elevator. It was like Ronnie Newton, he

1279
01:13:51,840 --> 01:13:54,160
Speaker 1: knew what it was. He was like, yeah, put that

1280
01:13:54,240 --> 01:13:58,760
Speaker 1: nigga in cuffs, and he's like my kids, and he

1281
01:13:58,800 --> 01:14:01,680
Speaker 1: was like, well, we figure out, you know what we're

1282
01:14:01,720 --> 01:14:04,599
Speaker 1: gonna do with them. So, like I said earlier, when

1283
01:14:04,680 --> 01:14:07,519
Speaker 1: Ronan Knew goes to jail, we all go to jail.

1284
01:14:07,960 --> 01:14:11,519
Speaker 1: We made them take us with them. We went to

1285
01:14:11,560 --> 01:14:15,880
Speaker 1: jail with him, not literally cuffing us, but we followed

1286
01:14:15,880 --> 01:14:18,680
Speaker 1: the police car as they put him in the car.

1287
01:14:18,840 --> 01:14:27,960
Speaker 1: Ronnie's driving, Ronnie don't got no license, and me and

1288
01:14:28,000 --> 01:14:31,280
Speaker 1: we knew it. We knew it was over in our minds.

1289
01:14:31,439 --> 01:14:35,000
Speaker 1: In our minds, we knew it was over. And it

1290
01:14:35,080 --> 01:14:42,480
Speaker 1: was the longest drive probably I've ever had from Universal

1291
01:14:42,640 --> 01:14:46,240
Speaker 1: City to Diamond Bar, which is what an hour, hour

1292
01:14:46,280 --> 01:14:48,919
Speaker 1: and a half hour, and at this point it's nighttime.

1293
01:14:49,360 --> 01:14:54,400
Speaker 1: She's me and Ronnie. He's sixteen, he's fifteen, sixteen, I'm

1294
01:14:54,880 --> 01:14:56,639
Speaker 1: ten eleven. Because it was like a year went by,

1295
01:14:56,680 --> 01:14:58,840
Speaker 1: we you know, doing the album, getting the deal. So yeah,

1296
01:14:58,840 --> 01:15:03,519
Speaker 1: I'm eleven, he's sixteen, And him and I had a

1297
01:15:03,560 --> 01:15:07,720
Speaker 1: conversation what we're gonna do next? What we you know

1298
01:15:07,760 --> 01:15:10,160
Speaker 1: what I mean, And you know what we're gonna tell mom,

1299
01:15:10,280 --> 01:15:12,680
Speaker 1: what we're gonna tell Bob. We're going to China, you

1300
01:15:12,680 --> 01:15:16,840
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Like, and we get home and

1301
01:15:16,880 --> 01:15:19,559
Speaker 1: now he's back in jail. They gotta process him. They

1302
01:15:19,560 --> 01:15:22,400
Speaker 1: gotta do that whole thing, and not maybe what a

1303
01:15:22,439 --> 01:15:29,160
Speaker 1: week they start. They sent paperwork, They sent paperwork stating

1304
01:15:29,240 --> 01:15:33,720
Speaker 1: that if we wanted to be on MCA Records, ron

1305
01:15:33,840 --> 01:15:35,320
Speaker 1: New couldn't be a part of it, could not be

1306
01:15:35,360 --> 01:15:37,320
Speaker 1: a part of it anymore. And it was finding us

1307
01:15:37,320 --> 01:15:39,120
Speaker 1: a new manager. They was finding us a new manager.

1308
01:15:40,280 --> 01:15:41,960
Speaker 1: Our budget was back, we was you know, they was

1309
01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:45,479
Speaker 1: gonna fix you know, get us back together. But you

1310
01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:46,920
Speaker 1: know it was gonna take some time to get all

1311
01:15:46,920 --> 01:15:49,920
Speaker 1: that going. But and and you know, we end up

1312
01:15:49,920 --> 01:15:52,559
Speaker 1: talking to to our dad in jail and he was like, listen,

1313
01:15:52,560 --> 01:15:56,040
Speaker 1: sign everything. I'll signed off because for him, he just

1314
01:15:56,080 --> 01:15:58,679
Speaker 1: needed to get us to that point. However he got

1315
01:15:58,720 --> 01:16:01,200
Speaker 1: us there. He needed to get us to that point.

1316
01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:03,960
Speaker 1: That was That was something that he had always dreamt of,

1317
01:16:04,640 --> 01:16:07,840
Speaker 1: giving us to a major record label, major deal. We

1318
01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:11,200
Speaker 1: on TV, we on soul training, we on video, so

1319
01:16:11,439 --> 01:16:15,800
Speaker 1: on BT. My kids are making it. I'll sign whatever

1320
01:16:15,880 --> 01:16:19,120
Speaker 1: y'all want me to sign. But then he also figured

1321
01:16:19,120 --> 01:16:21,040
Speaker 1: out a way to like put the new manager in place.

1322
01:16:23,880 --> 01:16:25,840
Speaker 1: He didn't do that. He did do that. He gotta

1323
01:16:25,840 --> 01:16:31,000
Speaker 1: atage control. And during that time, man our water was

1324
01:16:31,040 --> 01:16:34,400
Speaker 1: cut off though the new budget hadn't kicked in, and

1325
01:16:35,080 --> 01:16:38,120
Speaker 1: as we talk about on this podcast, Ryan Neu spent

1326
01:16:38,160 --> 01:16:40,280
Speaker 1: it all by the time he went to jail. No,

1327
01:16:40,360 --> 01:16:40,600
Speaker 1: when he.

1328
01:16:40,600 --> 01:16:43,599
Speaker 2: Says oh, he means all tame. Oh even our United posted.

1329
01:16:43,680 --> 01:16:47,719
Speaker 2: So for kids, it was supposed to be, yeah, money

1330
01:16:47,720 --> 01:16:50,400
Speaker 2: that can't be touched because we were under age.

1331
01:16:50,880 --> 01:16:53,000
Speaker 1: He touched that money. He touched that too, because he

1332
01:16:53,400 --> 01:16:55,120
Speaker 1: figured out his way into you know, talking to the

1333
01:16:55,120 --> 01:16:59,320
Speaker 1: people at the bank. He was connected to everybody because

1334
01:16:59,320 --> 01:17:04,040
Speaker 1: it's like his personality was so infectious that it didn't

1335
01:17:04,080 --> 01:17:09,200
Speaker 1: matter who he met, they worked for him. Now he

1336
01:17:09,240 --> 01:17:13,960
Speaker 1: worked for them. Whoever he met, they worked for him.

1337
01:17:14,160 --> 01:17:18,000
Speaker 1: He's gonna pimp everything and everybody. It's just what it was.

1338
01:17:18,680 --> 01:17:21,640
Speaker 1: And he was just so electric and his and his

1339
01:17:21,760 --> 01:17:25,280
Speaker 1: dreams was just so grand. It was like, man, this

1340
01:17:25,560 --> 01:17:29,560
Speaker 1: maybe he and he got these talented kids and his

1341
01:17:29,680 --> 01:17:37,920
Speaker 1: beautiful wife. You know what what you need Ronnie? That's

1342
01:17:36,640 --> 01:17:42,040
Speaker 1: literally like these were grown men, heads of banks, heads

1343
01:17:42,080 --> 01:17:47,719
Speaker 1: of labels, heads of legal What do you need, Ronnie?

1344
01:17:49,000 --> 01:17:50,920
Speaker 1: And he would he would find it, get to a bag,

1345
01:17:51,880 --> 01:17:58,960
Speaker 1: and he spent it. He spent it, all of it.

1346
01:17:59,080 --> 01:18:05,080
Speaker 1: The publishing deal, honey, the advanced money, it's gone, and

1347
01:18:05,120 --> 01:18:08,160
Speaker 1: he controlled the finances. So we don't know that. Once

1348
01:18:08,200 --> 01:18:13,360
Speaker 1: he goes to jail that day, we're officially broke. Literally,

1349
01:18:13,720 --> 01:18:17,000
Speaker 1: we're broke from that moment on it like fuck, what

1350
01:18:17,040 --> 01:18:19,439
Speaker 1: do we you know what I mean? So they're trying

1351
01:18:19,439 --> 01:18:24,000
Speaker 1: to fast track us, and they put us in the

1352
01:18:24,040 --> 01:18:29,080
Speaker 1: studio with Spider Man and Doctor Freeze. Spider Man and

1353
01:18:29,120 --> 01:18:33,479
Speaker 1: Freezer full of full of fact poison. They're coming off poison,

1354
01:18:33,880 --> 01:18:36,960
Speaker 1: so you already know what they're They love us m

1355
01:18:37,040 --> 01:18:39,519
Speaker 1: c A Records love. The look was different.

1356
01:18:40,320 --> 01:18:41,800
Speaker 2: We was gonna be the first ones they had us

1357
01:18:41,840 --> 01:18:45,280
Speaker 2: in hockey jerseys. We was about to go nuts town.

1358
01:18:45,800 --> 01:18:48,120
Speaker 1: We were we were, we were in the whole, We

1359
01:18:48,080 --> 01:18:49,680
Speaker 1: were in the space. Man. We now we're getting to

1360
01:18:49,680 --> 01:18:52,280
Speaker 1: wear Jordan's We're getting to wear the fly ship. We're

1361
01:18:52,280 --> 01:18:56,160
Speaker 1: getting to be kids and young niggas, and they're just

1362
01:18:56,280 --> 01:18:59,240
Speaker 1: they're throwing it at us. They have us in the

1363
01:18:59,280 --> 01:19:06,400
Speaker 1: studio and we're recording for the soundtrack of House Party

1364
01:19:06,400 --> 01:19:09,760
Speaker 1: two to put Jama Jammy jam that was supposed to

1365
01:19:09,760 --> 01:19:13,439
Speaker 1: be us Tank. So if you look at the movie,

1366
01:19:13,479 --> 01:19:16,439
Speaker 1: if you look at House Party two in the record store,

1367
01:19:17,720 --> 01:19:20,640
Speaker 1: you'll see when they go by the Neutrons album or

1368
01:19:20,720 --> 01:19:22,960
Speaker 1: Neutrons singing is either single or the album, it's the

1369
01:19:23,000 --> 01:19:26,439
Speaker 1: cover of us. Did you know that? Nope? In House

1370
01:19:26,479 --> 01:19:30,479
Speaker 1: Party two, about to go watch it to there's a scene, Jacob,

1371
01:19:30,520 --> 01:19:34,559
Speaker 1: if you can find it, there's a flash of our

1372
01:19:34,600 --> 01:19:37,719
Speaker 1: album of us in the movie. Because we were supposed

1373
01:19:37,720 --> 01:19:39,639
Speaker 1: to be in the movie because MCA controlled that soundtrack.

1374
01:19:41,400 --> 01:19:46,280
Speaker 1: Tony Tony Tony, our barrier brothers actually took our place

1375
01:19:46,280 --> 01:19:48,639
Speaker 1: in the movie. And the reason they took our place

1376
01:19:48,640 --> 01:19:52,480
Speaker 1: in the movie is because as we're recording for this soundtrack,

1377
01:19:53,360 --> 01:20:00,280
Speaker 1: our brother gets killed, and that goes back to them

1378
01:20:00,320 --> 01:20:05,960
Speaker 1: cutting our water off. He was fucked up, you know

1379
01:20:06,000 --> 01:20:09,040
Speaker 1: what I mean? We was fucked up. And Ronnie was

1380
01:20:09,080 --> 01:20:15,519
Speaker 1: always an extension of that he was his little hinchman.

1381
01:20:15,800 --> 01:20:17,840
Speaker 1: Yeah he was. He was an extension of our father.

1382
01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:22,960
Speaker 1: So he did what he, in a sense, knew best.

1383
01:20:23,240 --> 01:20:30,840
Speaker 1: He went to the streets. So Ronnie gets killed for

1384
01:20:30,960 --> 01:20:34,200
Speaker 1: people who don't know, he get killed Robin the liquor store.

1385
01:20:35,320 --> 01:20:37,800
Speaker 1: And you know, because he at this point, he's fully immersed.

1386
01:20:38,080 --> 01:20:41,680
Speaker 1: He's immersed in the streets. He's full street nigga. But

1387
01:20:41,760 --> 01:20:44,280
Speaker 1: we have a record deal. If we're going to the

1388
01:20:44,320 --> 01:20:48,680
Speaker 1: studio every day, and the day he got killed, our

1389
01:20:48,680 --> 01:20:55,080
Speaker 1: studio session got canceled. Engineer got sick, his parents got sick. Yeah,

1390
01:20:55,320 --> 01:20:58,080
Speaker 1: and our studio gets killed. Our studio, our studio day

1391
01:20:58,080 --> 01:21:02,280
Speaker 1: gets canceled. Because if not, we're at the studio, that

1392
01:21:02,320 --> 01:21:05,519
Speaker 1: doesn't happen. I mean, life is what it is. So

1393
01:21:06,080 --> 01:21:08,160
Speaker 1: you know, Ronnie was fully in it, so it could

1394
01:21:08,160 --> 01:21:13,760
Speaker 1: have happened anyway. But that's how that, you know, that's

1395
01:21:13,760 --> 01:21:18,519
Speaker 1: how it came crashing down and we literally had to watch,

1396
01:21:18,880 --> 01:21:23,400
Speaker 1: you know, our brother get killed. On National TV. They

1397
01:21:23,520 --> 01:21:27,000
Speaker 1: used to have a show called what was called hardcod Copy.

1398
01:21:27,160 --> 01:21:30,320
Speaker 1: The show called hard Copy. I'm eleven years old, bro

1399
01:21:30,400 --> 01:21:35,080
Speaker 1: turning twelve, sixteen, turning seventeen, and you know it comes

1400
01:21:35,080 --> 01:21:39,920
Speaker 1: on the screen and we got like news people outside

1401
01:21:39,960 --> 01:21:42,200
Speaker 1: our house. It's it's insane.

1402
01:21:41,800 --> 01:21:45,599
Speaker 2: Because it's looked at as a scandal too. Yeah, it's

1403
01:21:45,680 --> 01:21:48,040
Speaker 2: like you know what I'm saying. Kids on the Rise

1404
01:21:48,200 --> 01:21:51,360
Speaker 2: record deal goes out and robs the store and gets killed.

1405
01:21:51,800 --> 01:21:53,559
Speaker 1: It was on the news, so they were trying to like, oh,

1406
01:21:53,560 --> 01:21:56,679
Speaker 1: it was a gang initiation, and it was. It wasn't

1407
01:21:56,720 --> 01:22:00,240
Speaker 1: none of that. We was what they didn't realize. We

1408
01:22:00,240 --> 01:22:05,639
Speaker 1: were street niggas, plain and simple. He just couldn't get

1409
01:22:05,640 --> 01:22:10,439
Speaker 1: it out of him. And this wasn't anything like we would.

1410
01:22:11,280 --> 01:22:13,560
Speaker 1: Whatever city we went to, we find it. We was

1411
01:22:13,600 --> 01:22:18,080
Speaker 1: finding the hoods, we was finding we was fighting because

1412
01:22:18,520 --> 01:22:22,040
Speaker 1: at that age too, back then, we were like the

1413
01:22:22,080 --> 01:22:25,559
Speaker 1: first mixed niggas in the hoods, you know what I'm saying.

1414
01:22:25,600 --> 01:22:27,840
Speaker 1: Like that, like now it's like everybody mixed with something,

1415
01:22:28,400 --> 01:22:30,160
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But other than de Barge

1416
01:22:32,160 --> 01:22:35,040
Speaker 1: where the Jets, the Jets, you know what I'm saying,

1417
01:22:36,080 --> 01:22:39,599
Speaker 1: you pick them out. Were live in all these cities.

1418
01:22:39,720 --> 01:22:41,200
Speaker 1: We were live in all these cities, and they would

1419
01:22:41,240 --> 01:22:45,080
Speaker 1: literally I remember kids asking me, especially in Indianapolis. A

1420
01:22:45,160 --> 01:22:49,400
Speaker 1: kid said to me, Nigga, what are you what am

1421
01:22:49,479 --> 01:22:55,639
Speaker 1: I I'm black. Nah, nigga, you ain't black. I'm nine

1422
01:22:55,680 --> 01:22:57,519
Speaker 1: years eight, nine years old. This is why I'm hearing.

1423
01:22:58,120 --> 01:23:01,479
Speaker 1: But that's really what it was. So after I punched

1424
01:23:01,560 --> 01:23:01,920
Speaker 1: him in his.

1425
01:23:01,920 --> 01:23:05,720
Speaker 2: Face, of course, of course I had to get off

1426
01:23:05,800 --> 01:23:06,639
Speaker 2: because that's the other thing.

1427
01:23:06,680 --> 01:23:09,679
Speaker 1: My daddy tolt us really early. Get off first, early,

1428
01:23:10,400 --> 01:23:11,960
Speaker 1: get off first, you know what I mean. Like we

1429
01:23:12,040 --> 01:23:13,840
Speaker 1: at one point we was the boxing We was the

1430
01:23:13,880 --> 01:23:17,240
Speaker 1: boys Club boxing team. Because ron knew was also golden gloves.

1431
01:23:17,560 --> 01:23:20,040
Speaker 1: He was nice with his hand and he was like,

1432
01:23:20,080 --> 01:23:21,880
Speaker 1: you know, I got these kids and his fucking hair.

1433
01:23:22,200 --> 01:23:26,200
Speaker 1: They got this hair and shiit know. When you our

1434
01:23:26,240 --> 01:23:27,960
Speaker 1: cousins would come to our house, everybody had to put

1435
01:23:27,960 --> 01:23:32,200
Speaker 1: the gloves on. We was fighting every day, was fighting

1436
01:23:32,240 --> 01:23:35,920
Speaker 1: each other. We was fighting, our cousins was getting to it.

1437
01:23:36,240 --> 01:23:38,200
Speaker 1: So we was just you know, it was aggressive guys

1438
01:23:38,200 --> 01:23:46,960
Speaker 1: man really early and me and Bob, especially Bob, and

1439
01:23:47,000 --> 01:23:49,320
Speaker 1: I think it's obviously because you know, Bob and Ronnie

1440
01:23:49,360 --> 01:23:52,519
Speaker 1: were paternal they were fraternal twins, and you know what

1441
01:23:52,560 --> 01:23:54,800
Speaker 1: they say, you know, it's just it's identical where they

1442
01:23:54,920 --> 01:23:57,320
Speaker 1: just acted like they talk like they sounded like then

1443
01:23:57,320 --> 01:24:01,080
Speaker 1: they got fraternal twins who were just like holer opposites,

1444
01:24:01,760 --> 01:24:03,880
Speaker 1: and Bob just wasn't with none of that ship man,

1445
01:24:04,680 --> 01:24:07,040
Speaker 1: and me I was in the middle of it because

1446
01:24:07,040 --> 01:24:10,240
Speaker 1: it was like I had Bob who was, you know,

1447
01:24:10,800 --> 01:24:13,040
Speaker 1: that voice of reason and not wanting to do none

1448
01:24:13,080 --> 01:24:15,679
Speaker 1: of that, and you know, want to sing and we're

1449
01:24:15,680 --> 01:24:19,120
Speaker 1: gonna be musicians. And then Ronnie like, nah, nigga, but

1450
01:24:19,200 --> 01:24:22,519
Speaker 1: we still street niggas. So I'm like in the middle

1451
01:24:22,560 --> 01:24:26,800
Speaker 1: of my two big brothers. And when Ronnie passed, you know,

1452
01:24:27,000 --> 01:24:32,120
Speaker 1: they fucking showed the whole thing on hard copy, and

1453
01:24:34,680 --> 01:24:37,880
Speaker 1: in a matter of another week or two, we went

1454
01:24:37,920 --> 01:24:42,080
Speaker 1: from this you know, five six bedroom, big ass house,

1455
01:24:42,120 --> 01:24:50,480
Speaker 1: swimming pool and you know in southern California to the project.

1456
01:24:51,360 --> 01:24:54,519
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, off the car. So we got to talk

1457
01:24:54,520 --> 01:24:58,639
Speaker 1: about what did you buy? Let's talk about in the nineties.

1458
01:24:58,640 --> 01:25:00,880
Speaker 2: By the way, he had a roy with the with

1459
01:25:00,920 --> 01:25:02,479
Speaker 2: the with the with the wheel on the right on

1460
01:25:02,520 --> 01:25:04,479
Speaker 2: the side, on the right side, the old that you

1461
01:25:04,479 --> 01:25:08,479
Speaker 2: know I'm talking about, the European he had that. Yeah, yes, yes, yes,

1462
01:25:08,680 --> 01:25:13,240
Speaker 2: the European. Yes, yeah, we had a we had a

1463
01:25:13,280 --> 01:25:15,760
Speaker 2: stretch limousine on things with mustard and man.

1464
01:25:16,160 --> 01:25:17,040
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah.

1465
01:25:17,040 --> 01:25:21,479
Speaker 2: Gold dates on it days. Yeah, he had a sixth

1466
01:25:21,560 --> 01:25:26,840
Speaker 2: series he I mean he said it was Yeah, I

1467
01:25:26,840 --> 01:25:27,320
Speaker 2: mean it was.

1468
01:25:27,439 --> 01:25:30,120
Speaker 1: I had a bike. It was good, and we're gonna

1469
01:25:30,120 --> 01:25:32,840
Speaker 1: go back to that car everywhere, back to that bike.

1470
01:25:32,720 --> 01:25:34,479
Speaker 2: Which also was a part of like from what he

1471
01:25:34,560 --> 01:25:36,639
Speaker 2: was saying, you know, like if anybody know that liveing

1472
01:25:36,640 --> 01:25:38,280
Speaker 2: in l a Is like keeping up with the Joneses.

1473
01:25:39,360 --> 01:25:42,120
Speaker 2: So one we had a record deal, Two we had

1474
01:25:42,120 --> 01:25:44,600
Speaker 2: this house. Three we had all these cars, but we

1475
01:25:44,640 --> 01:25:45,439
Speaker 2: didn't have no money.

1476
01:25:46,080 --> 01:25:46,479
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.

1477
01:25:47,320 --> 01:25:49,840
Speaker 2: So Ronnie felt like he was next man up, you

1478
01:25:49,840 --> 01:25:51,519
Speaker 2: know what I mean, and that he needed to go

1479
01:25:51,600 --> 01:25:52,519
Speaker 2: out and get it.

1480
01:25:52,880 --> 01:25:56,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, and got himself, got himself urt. Mm hmm. So

1481
01:25:56,880 --> 01:25:58,320
Speaker 1: in a matter of you know, a week or two,

1482
01:25:58,720 --> 01:26:01,439
Speaker 1: were back in San Francisco winning pro Jack. So when

1483
01:26:01,439 --> 01:26:05,280
Speaker 1: this happens, and you know, when you're talking about it

1484
01:26:05,320 --> 01:26:07,959
Speaker 1: just kind of you know, reminds me of a situation

1485
01:26:08,040 --> 01:26:15,480
Speaker 1: where when when it Lea passed, you know, you you

1486
01:26:15,479 --> 01:26:19,519
Speaker 1: you saw the how heartless the record company can be,

1487
01:26:20,560 --> 01:26:25,280
Speaker 1: her heartless the music business is altogether, and it wasn't.

1488
01:26:26,439 --> 01:26:29,559
Speaker 1: It was I think maybe a matter of days that

1489
01:26:29,920 --> 01:26:33,800
Speaker 1: everything that their money was connected to in terms of

1490
01:26:33,840 --> 01:26:38,080
Speaker 1: building was shut completely off. Yeah, yeah, no.

1491
01:26:38,360 --> 01:26:41,519
Speaker 2: They They sent us a letter Tank, which by the way,

1492
01:26:42,240 --> 01:26:44,240
Speaker 2: for me, was always really hard. And I never asked

1493
01:26:44,280 --> 01:26:46,760
Speaker 2: him like how it affected him, because again we had

1494
01:26:46,800 --> 01:26:52,880
Speaker 2: put in real work to get there, and so for years,

1495
01:26:52,920 --> 01:26:54,240
Speaker 2: I don't know if I tell him this, for years

1496
01:26:54,240 --> 01:26:55,960
Speaker 2: I was even mad at my twin, like, nigga, you

1497
01:26:55,960 --> 01:26:58,360
Speaker 2: threw it all away, like you how you you know

1498
01:26:58,360 --> 01:27:00,720
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Like how you just you do that?

1499
01:27:01,320 --> 01:27:04,960
Speaker 2: Because like he said, we went from we had but

1500
01:27:05,040 --> 01:27:07,599
Speaker 2: you said, eighteen how many months? You said, Well, I'm

1501
01:27:07,600 --> 01:27:12,280
Speaker 2: talking about screaming girls, soul trained video soul, you know

1502
01:27:12,320 --> 01:27:14,679
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, tour, all of it.

1503
01:27:15,080 --> 01:27:16,639
Speaker 1: We did say no to drugs.

1504
01:27:16,640 --> 01:27:19,559
Speaker 2: It was ten thousand people Tank, ten thousand kids by

1505
01:27:19,600 --> 01:27:24,720
Speaker 2: the way, going nuts. And we went from that, like

1506
01:27:24,800 --> 01:27:27,920
Speaker 2: he said, to back to San Francisco again in the

1507
01:27:27,960 --> 01:27:30,920
Speaker 2: hood projects. Not to mention, we had just lost our

1508
01:27:30,960 --> 01:27:32,960
Speaker 2: brother and our group, remember who we had spent all

1509
01:27:33,080 --> 01:27:35,840
Speaker 2: our time from beginning from born to you know what

1510
01:27:35,840 --> 01:27:41,080
Speaker 2: I'm saying, right, and now he's gone and it's just

1511
01:27:41,120 --> 01:27:44,240
Speaker 2: me and him and were back in the hood, and

1512
01:27:44,280 --> 01:27:46,639
Speaker 2: now I got to keep him, you know what I'm saying.

1513
01:27:46,760 --> 01:27:49,560
Speaker 2: From from getting lost in the hood. You know what

1514
01:27:49,560 --> 01:27:52,519
Speaker 2: I'm saying, This nigga stealing bikes like he's wilding.

1515
01:27:52,640 --> 01:27:55,080
Speaker 1: But you had a bike, No, not in the hoodie didn't,

1516
01:27:55,200 --> 01:27:57,200
Speaker 1: so I did. I came with the bike. Oh you

1517
01:27:57,240 --> 01:28:00,479
Speaker 1: about your bike? I didn't know you about you the bike?

1518
01:28:01,080 --> 01:28:06,840
Speaker 1: The businessman because I needed money. But before we get

1519
01:28:06,880 --> 01:28:13,960
Speaker 1: to that, you're how old at this point? Twelve? Jesus Christ? Yeah,

1520
01:28:14,120 --> 01:28:17,080
Speaker 1: this is all happened before I'm a teenager. I'm not

1521
01:28:17,120 --> 01:28:18,519
Speaker 1: even I'm not a teenager yet.

1522
01:28:18,880 --> 01:28:23,600
Speaker 3: So are you are you able at this age to

1523
01:28:24,000 --> 01:28:27,439
Speaker 3: really process what's going on? Or are you able as like,

1524
01:28:27,520 --> 01:28:30,280
Speaker 3: since you're still a kid in the sense, you know,

1525
01:28:30,760 --> 01:28:33,960
Speaker 3: pick up and kind of move on quickly and just

1526
01:28:34,040 --> 01:28:37,160
Speaker 3: roll with the punches because you are our young Is

1527
01:28:37,160 --> 01:28:39,160
Speaker 3: there are these things really affecting you at this time?

1528
01:28:39,920 --> 01:28:43,840
Speaker 1: Yes and no, because I was just so used to

1529
01:28:43,920 --> 01:28:47,519
Speaker 1: things going left, because that's what that was our life.

1530
01:28:48,439 --> 01:28:51,200
Speaker 1: We up, Pops got the bread, Then the door get

1531
01:28:51,280 --> 01:28:55,160
Speaker 1: kicked in by the police. We up. Can somebody snitch

1532
01:28:55,240 --> 01:28:58,080
Speaker 1: on Pops? Now you're in jail. We get a record deal?

1533
01:28:58,960 --> 01:29:02,280
Speaker 1: Rynie get killed, our first writing Dad go back to jail,

1534
01:29:02,360 --> 01:29:07,519
Speaker 1: didn't write, get killed? Like these were just and numerous

1535
01:29:07,520 --> 01:29:12,240
Speaker 1: things amongst you know, along the way. So it was

1536
01:29:12,320 --> 01:29:15,160
Speaker 1: kind of part for the course of this is what

1537
01:29:15,240 --> 01:29:17,679
Speaker 1: life is. I didn't know that that wasn't everybody's lives.

1538
01:29:18,880 --> 01:29:21,600
Speaker 1: I thought everybody go through this wild shit until I

1539
01:29:21,640 --> 01:29:23,280
Speaker 1: got older and I'd be telling you stories and you'd

1540
01:29:23,280 --> 01:29:25,840
Speaker 1: be like, nah, Joe, you didn't tell the time you

1541
01:29:25,840 --> 01:29:30,640
Speaker 1: got kidnapped, right right. So it's like, you know, I

1542
01:29:31,000 --> 01:29:37,800
Speaker 1: think that it's for me a gift and a curse

1543
01:29:39,000 --> 01:29:41,880
Speaker 1: because I just knew how to adapt to the worst

1544
01:29:41,920 --> 01:29:46,120
Speaker 1: things that you could possibly throw at me. So now

1545
01:29:46,120 --> 01:29:50,599
Speaker 1: we're back in the hood. I'm a hood nigga, So

1546
01:29:50,640 --> 01:29:53,519
Speaker 1: give me cause you're back in the hood at eleven.

1547
01:29:56,600 --> 01:29:59,240
Speaker 1: At this point do you decide, Hey, the music business

1548
01:29:59,520 --> 01:30:02,120
Speaker 1: was what it was us and the streets is what

1549
01:30:02,160 --> 01:30:05,240
Speaker 1: it is. And if that's the case, at what point

1550
01:30:05,600 --> 01:30:09,479
Speaker 1: do you say, I think I need to get back

1551
01:30:09,520 --> 01:30:12,920
Speaker 1: to this music ship. Oh yeah, I was out. I

1552
01:30:13,040 --> 01:30:17,080
Speaker 1: was out because in the beginning, music was it wasn't

1553
01:30:17,120 --> 01:30:20,720
Speaker 1: my first love. It wasn't my love at all. It

1554
01:30:20,880 --> 01:30:25,120
Speaker 1: was a chore. It was Bob's love. My dad. Look

1555
01:30:25,160 --> 01:30:26,720
Speaker 1: at to be a kid. Now I get to be

1556
01:30:26,760 --> 01:30:31,840
Speaker 1: a kid, and as we all know, being a kid

1557
01:30:31,920 --> 01:30:36,360
Speaker 1: in the hood is actually fucking fun. What Bob Bobby Look,

1558
01:30:37,760 --> 01:30:40,120
Speaker 1: But Boble's becoming But you're also becoming a young man,

1559
01:30:40,640 --> 01:30:41,439
Speaker 1: so it's different for you.

1560
01:30:41,520 --> 01:30:43,400
Speaker 2: Hey, all the hood niggas is looking at me weird.

1561
01:30:44,240 --> 01:30:46,520
Speaker 2: They loved him, but I was competition.

1562
01:30:46,680 --> 01:30:48,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm fully you know what I'm saying.

1563
01:30:48,120 --> 01:30:49,680
Speaker 2: They rolling by and they you know what I'm saying.

1564
01:30:49,840 --> 01:30:52,440
Speaker 2: All these are all the top drug dealers are my age.

1565
01:30:52,800 --> 01:30:55,240
Speaker 1: But all the bras is like, Bob is here, you

1566
01:30:55,280 --> 01:30:57,920
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying on TV?

1567
01:30:58,800 --> 01:31:01,840
Speaker 2: What Yeah, and he's still bobbed, you know what I'm saying,

1568
01:31:02,640 --> 01:31:04,040
Speaker 2: And so they get I didn't.

1569
01:31:03,800 --> 01:31:05,720
Speaker 1: Even know why they was giving me. Look so he

1570
01:31:06,000 --> 01:31:06,400
Speaker 1: fit in.

1571
01:31:07,200 --> 01:31:08,960
Speaker 2: I was at the boys club every day, like I

1572
01:31:09,000 --> 01:31:12,559
Speaker 2: was playing basketball. I was plus, I was already beyond

1573
01:31:12,600 --> 01:31:13,320
Speaker 2: the hood ship.

1574
01:31:13,640 --> 01:31:18,160
Speaker 1: I was already like that. It's some bullshit. He loved it.

1575
01:31:18,720 --> 01:31:21,799
Speaker 2: He with his little cousins and they they doing.

1576
01:31:21,640 --> 01:31:24,439
Speaker 1: All the crazy shit. I gotta tell.

1577
01:31:24,880 --> 01:31:27,040
Speaker 2: But see still because ron Knew is still in jail

1578
01:31:27,120 --> 01:31:29,160
Speaker 2: right now. So the only day he got his knee,

1579
01:31:30,040 --> 01:31:31,599
Speaker 2: the only person to look out for him and make

1580
01:31:31,640 --> 01:31:33,639
Speaker 2: sure he don't go all the way left and get killed.

1581
01:31:33,680 --> 01:31:37,120
Speaker 2: Like my twin is me to make sure. So I

1582
01:31:37,160 --> 01:31:39,360
Speaker 2: would all the hood niggas that did mess with me.

1583
01:31:39,680 --> 01:31:41,400
Speaker 2: I'll be like, if y'all see that little nigga on

1584
01:31:41,439 --> 01:31:43,599
Speaker 2: the block, punch him in his chest and get him.

1585
01:31:43,520 --> 01:31:46,799
Speaker 1: Off the block. Shout out to Black Higwie, Black Highwie.

1586
01:31:46,840 --> 01:31:48,599
Speaker 1: That was my guy. It was like a track star

1587
01:31:48,720 --> 01:31:51,400
Speaker 1: from our hood. I would I would see him and

1588
01:31:51,439 --> 01:31:53,599
Speaker 1: I would run and I would think that I got away,

1589
01:31:53,640 --> 01:31:55,439
Speaker 1: but by the time I got there, he was already there.

1590
01:31:56,160 --> 01:31:57,600
Speaker 1: He was literally a track start the niggas like the

1591
01:31:57,640 --> 01:31:59,439
Speaker 1: fast nigga I have ever seen in my life. It

1592
01:31:59,520 --> 01:32:01,920
Speaker 1: was already and you punched me to the chest stone

1593
01:32:01,920 --> 01:32:05,599
Speaker 1: cold athlete, and I had to go home. And I'm

1594
01:32:05,600 --> 01:32:07,960
Speaker 1: gonna tell Bob Nigga. Yeah, I used to want to

1595
01:32:07,960 --> 01:32:11,120
Speaker 1: tell Bob. You want to tell Bob right right, I'm

1596
01:32:11,120 --> 01:32:13,479
Speaker 1: in the middle of dice games and the old gie

1597
01:32:13,520 --> 01:32:15,720
Speaker 1: niggas just loved me Bro like before they before, like

1598
01:32:15,720 --> 01:32:17,840
Speaker 1: the robber nigga they used to rob all the dice

1599
01:32:17,880 --> 01:32:19,519
Speaker 1: games before would robbed the dice game. He was telling

1600
01:32:19,520 --> 01:32:23,120
Speaker 1: me to get my money and leave. It was already

1601
01:32:23,080 --> 01:32:24,040
Speaker 1: getting tamped on the shoulder.

1602
01:32:24,040 --> 01:32:27,599
Speaker 2: I'm like, it's sweet, but also tell them also like

1603
01:32:27,680 --> 01:32:30,519
Speaker 2: we so we never really realized how.

1604
01:32:30,479 --> 01:32:35,080
Speaker 1: The protection, the raw new protection. Yeah, that was real.

1605
01:32:35,840 --> 01:32:39,120
Speaker 2: It was like a shadow of a boogeyman that was

1606
01:32:39,160 --> 01:32:41,599
Speaker 2: always in San Francisco where man and we could fight niggas,

1607
01:32:41,600 --> 01:32:43,000
Speaker 2: we could do what we could really get away with

1608
01:32:43,000 --> 01:32:43,800
Speaker 2: it whatever.

1609
01:32:43,880 --> 01:32:46,440
Speaker 1: To be honest, because of they didn't want the consequences

1610
01:32:46,439 --> 01:32:50,880
Speaker 1: of him coming. Yeah, we had a I would say

1611
01:32:51,040 --> 01:32:56,080
Speaker 1: the three part family that all comes from our great

1612
01:32:56,120 --> 01:33:00,000
Speaker 1: grandmother and grandfather. The Newts that branched off had multi

1613
01:33:00,400 --> 01:33:03,320
Speaker 1: you know, families and kids. It's called the Newts, the Tatums,

1614
01:33:03,320 --> 01:33:08,120
Speaker 1: and the Beasleys. If you're from the Bay Area, you

1615
01:33:08,200 --> 01:33:11,040
Speaker 1: know what that means. If you're from San Francisco, you

1616
01:33:11,120 --> 01:33:14,800
Speaker 1: really know that, you really know what that means. And

1617
01:33:14,840 --> 01:33:17,839
Speaker 1: it's a lot of us, just with the Newt last names,

1618
01:33:17,880 --> 01:33:20,160
Speaker 1: over one hundred of us. We're gonna be around forever.

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01:33:21,720 --> 01:33:24,760
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