WEBVTT - Naked Comedy, Shared Vulnerability + Peter’s Prurient Interests

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<v Speaker 1>Really now, really.

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<v Speaker 2>Really now, really well, and welcome to another episode of

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<v Speaker 2>Really No Really with Jason Alexander and Peter Tilden. Today

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<v Speaker 2>you'll meet the producer and host of the Naked Comedy Show,

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<v Speaker 2>where the comics are nude and the first two rows

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<v Speaker 2>are clothing optional. You'll find out about the history of

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<v Speaker 2>nudity on stage and why Jason Alexander has been naked

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<v Speaker 2>or mostly naked, on screens and in the restrooms of

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<v Speaker 2>bars and taverns around the world. So, and I can't

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<v Speaker 2>believe I'm saying this, but if you enjoy our show,

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<v Speaker 2>remember till I can subscribe. And now before I get

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<v Speaker 2>any more nauseist than I already am, here are your hosts,

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<v Speaker 2>Jason Alexander and Peter Tilden.

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<v Speaker 1>Really well, Peter, you're of address this one. I think

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<v Speaker 1>you're a little over address. Yeah. This is a It's

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<v Speaker 1>just this is an interesting really no really, isn't it?

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<v Speaker 1>When you heard about this?

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<v Speaker 3>By the way, wait till the ends side of this interesting.

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<v Speaker 3>I love when people because in radio my own assessment,

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<v Speaker 3>I think today is one of the best we're gonna do.

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<v Speaker 1>This is gonna be one of the best shows. I

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<v Speaker 1>can tell it.

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<v Speaker 4>Already that the really no, really is we read about

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<v Speaker 4>in Brooklyn, I think every month. Now there is a

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<v Speaker 4>thing called the naked comedy show.

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<v Speaker 1>Three words. I didn't know it could go together in

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<v Speaker 1>the same sentence.

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<v Speaker 4>And and it's become it's become quite a successful venture.

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<v Speaker 4>And it's naked comanian people get up. They're comedians, that's

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<v Speaker 4>what they do for a living, but they decide to

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<v Speaker 4>do it el buffo and uh, and it's it's become

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<v Speaker 4>all the rage.

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<v Speaker 1>And we heard about this and went.

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<v Speaker 3>And we started thinking, are we gonna hear Dave Chappelle

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<v Speaker 3>one night Medicine Square Garden in the round?

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<v Speaker 1>Is the nude?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, is this the trend they were going to?

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<v Speaker 3>What kind of comedians go? Is there a cutoff of handsome?

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<v Speaker 3>You're too handsome? You can't do this.

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<v Speaker 4>Harry Seinfeld doesn't even work with the top button.

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<v Speaker 1>So we got on with us.

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<v Speaker 3>Gentleman who's joined us, Billy Proceeder, who's the guy who

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<v Speaker 3>produces the show.

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<v Speaker 1>And you were in there and he as a performer

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<v Speaker 1>in the show.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and he's he's a producer of the show and yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>and also, uh, you have a podcast now, the man

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<v Speaker 4>who podcast sex positive conversations.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I do.

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<v Speaker 4>So you are a big proponent of all things naked

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<v Speaker 4>and sexual and comedy and positive and again three things

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't know to go together and positive and sexual

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<v Speaker 4>did positive and nude.

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<v Speaker 1>I have not experienced that myself.

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<v Speaker 3>What we're going to get hopefully after after we talk

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<v Speaker 3>to you and you're moving forward, body image. The fact

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<v Speaker 3>that Jason has appeared many times naked.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, you're one of the most famous half naked

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<v Speaker 5>posters in break I am a.

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<v Speaker 1>Sexual icon from the nineties.

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<v Speaker 5>You pick a dorm room, there's a third of a

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<v Speaker 5>chance you're up there.

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<v Speaker 3>Isn't it amazing? He's like an iconic for Kreischer. We

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<v Speaker 3>will mock you, Jason. Alexander was chef naked before, so

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<v Speaker 3>we want to talk about that because you being my friend.

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<v Speaker 1>You did it in ARCA. I got your naked by

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<v Speaker 1>episode three on Arc you got me naked when we

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<v Speaker 1>first met it. You two are so cute together. I say,

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<v Speaker 1>you two are adorable.

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<v Speaker 3>You know what, We've been inseparable for thirty wow, thirty

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<v Speaker 3>like two years now, which is amazing. So yes, we're

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<v Speaker 3>best friends. Seeing him naked more than more than anyone

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<v Speaker 3>seen you naked.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure.

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<v Speaker 3>So you started out as a comedian doing regular stand up,

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<v Speaker 3>closed stand up, I'm guessing correct.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, but I mean about a year, year and a

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<v Speaker 5>half into doing stand up, I did start doing somebody

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<v Speaker 5>else's naked show because I was what twenty years old,

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<v Speaker 5>and you didn't have to bring anybody, you didn't have

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<v Speaker 5>to bark anyone in. I just had to be willing

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<v Speaker 5>to take my clothes off. And as Andy said, uh,

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<v Speaker 5>not suck.

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<v Speaker 1>So wait I was it?

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<v Speaker 3>So wow, So that's why you went because you can

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<v Speaker 3>get time on stage.

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<v Speaker 1>Free stage time. Wow. It's tough out there here.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 3>I heard it's hard to get stage time. So now, God,

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<v Speaker 3>but if you're nervous to stand up anyway, I can

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<v Speaker 3>imagine you're taking the train in, you know, going I'm

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<v Speaker 3>doing this.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to do this in front of people.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I mean, but I'd already started experimenting sexually with

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<v Speaker 5>being naked in front of more than one disappointed person

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<v Speaker 5>at a time.

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<v Speaker 1>Craigslist was very active when I was in college.

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<v Speaker 5>I went to n y U, so I was already

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<v Speaker 5>in the city, and you know, I was like sometimes

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<v Speaker 5>going to watch a couple play or doing this and that.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 5>With some group stuff, I don't know what I can

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<v Speaker 5>say or not say for the U two you want,

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<v Speaker 5>we'll cut it out or not cut it.

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<v Speaker 4>Out or so nudity was not a big thing for you,

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<v Speaker 4>just it didn't feel uncomfortable for you going in a

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<v Speaker 4>little bit.

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<v Speaker 5>But like I was already starting to get comfortable with it,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, I was already getting okay with the idea

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<v Speaker 5>let me let.

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<v Speaker 3>Me just because I got to know body positive family.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, because my family would be what do you

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<v Speaker 3>want to take? It would be the dumbest that they

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<v Speaker 3>would just go out of their mind.

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<v Speaker 1>It don't be showered in my underwear until I went

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<v Speaker 1>to cos you know.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I remember the first time I went to

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<v Speaker 3>a health club with my dad, like a swim club,

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<v Speaker 3>and you're you're a little kid, so you're genital high

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm seeing things I never want to see again.

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<v Speaker 3>It was so traumatic. Yea, so here you grew up

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<v Speaker 3>that way in a family? How supportive? What what allowed

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<v Speaker 3>you to do that? To be free enough?

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<v Speaker 2>Was it?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know? I don't know. I think I just

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<v Speaker 1>was cool with it. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 5>It didn't seem to really matter. Also, like I was,

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<v Speaker 5>I looked very different in college. I don't know, thirteen

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<v Speaker 5>years ago. I looked the body was easier to be

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<v Speaker 5>confident in.

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<v Speaker 3>Billy, everybody everybody looked different in college.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, you know you know what I'm saying. I didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>I looked exactly. It looked like you now minus to

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<v Speaker 1>go to the same body.

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<v Speaker 4>I was basically this short, this fat, and my hair

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<v Speaker 4>was already going.

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<v Speaker 1>Always an icons hair. Other than that.

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<v Speaker 3>No, wait a minute, I saw you when you did

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<v Speaker 3>the McDLT commercial A that stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>You were thinner. I had a jacket, all right.

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<v Speaker 3>So Billy, you take the train, you got clean underwear,

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<v Speaker 3>You get there, you just robe. What do you remember

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<v Speaker 3>the first night? Do you remember vividly?

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<v Speaker 5>I remember the first time. I remember the second time.

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<v Speaker 5>The second time. The chick I lost my virginity to

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<v Speaker 5>came down from Fordham. I was at She's a Form.

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<v Speaker 5>She comes down to the old pit People's Improv Theater

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<v Speaker 5>in Midtown. She brought friends. I said, it's the naked

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<v Speaker 5>comedy show, right, Okay, I'm backstage. Andy the host. He

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<v Speaker 5>goes up, does his ten minutes naked. I go up

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<v Speaker 5>first for the bullet spot eat all the I bombed

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<v Speaker 5>my face off naked in front of her. I go

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<v Speaker 5>backstage and there's a text way for me. It says,

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<v Speaker 5>I didn't know you were going to be naked. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 5>it's the Naked Comy Show.

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<v Speaker 1>So I thought you thought it was just a funny name,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, She's like I thought it was gonna be raw

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<v Speaker 5>and uncensored, and I'm like, well, and then afterwards me

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<v Speaker 5>in two comics who wanted to sleep with her friends

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<v Speaker 5>went out for drinks.

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<v Speaker 1>No one got laid. It was horrifying.

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<v Speaker 3>So your prospective, your POV from stage is your ex

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<v Speaker 3>girlfriend's face with her mouth wide open, going oh my god,

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, oh my god.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't even know if I read served presence.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm bombing that badly, like I do my opener, which

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<v Speaker 5>is supposed to be strong, but I'm twenty. None of

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<v Speaker 5>my jokes are strong, right, and by do that nothing,

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<v Speaker 5>second joke, nothing, third joke maybe a giggle, And I'm like,

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<v Speaker 5>this is a very long five minutes now.

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<v Speaker 4>Was any of that material in that sort of debut thing?

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<v Speaker 4>Was any of it referential to being naked? Or was

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<v Speaker 4>it your act? But I have my clothes.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I didn't have jokes written for naked comedy, but

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<v Speaker 5>and there's a lot of you know these like alternative

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<v Speaker 5>comedy shows, they present moments of tension you can play

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<v Speaker 5>with if you want. Sure, So when you're doing a

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<v Speaker 5>joke naked, it just gives you a new opportunity to

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<v Speaker 5>say something different or different tag or like I never

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<v Speaker 5>realized I stand on stage with one leg bow legged

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<v Speaker 5>until I started doing naked comedy because I was like,

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<v Speaker 5>oh my god, I'm presenting to you. You know, it's

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<v Speaker 5>just those little moments you realize, and so.

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<v Speaker 3>The audience, God, this is so fascinating to me. I

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<v Speaker 3>would be intimidated to come as the audience to tell

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<v Speaker 3>you the truth because I would be I don't like

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<v Speaker 3>seeing naked people around other people.

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<v Speaker 1>Huh.

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<v Speaker 3>Watching you naked with other people would be embarrassing to me,

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<v Speaker 3>rather than just seeing you naked. What's the audience like,

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<v Speaker 3>are they a regular comedy audience or there's value added

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<v Speaker 3>because they've come for some prurient interest.

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<v Speaker 5>There's a prurient interest because it's like, what are you

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<v Speaker 5>a law from the fifties throwing in prourient interests for you?

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<v Speaker 1>Anthony comstock Man.

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<v Speaker 4>I think Peter's how he phrased the question will tell

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<v Speaker 4>you everything he needs to know. You're uncomfortable being in

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<v Speaker 4>an audience of people who have come to see people

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<v Speaker 4>being naked.

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<v Speaker 1>You have layers of therapy. Oh my god, yes, oh

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<v Speaker 1>my god. Yes.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, I'm fascinated by who comes to this thing?

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<v Speaker 3>Is it the same people go to the dining experience

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<v Speaker 3>where they have the lights off, it's like blind dining.

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<v Speaker 1>Just let's do it. Oh, I've heard of that. I've

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<v Speaker 1>heard that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so's it that kind of crowd that it wants

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<v Speaker 3>to do a new adventure or is it somebody who

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<v Speaker 3>really is a comedy audience.

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<v Speaker 5>I think we have a really good mix of audience.

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<v Speaker 5>So we you know, at the core, the place is

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<v Speaker 5>the place we do the show is called Haciendo, which

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<v Speaker 5>is like a sex positive community space in Bushwick.

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<v Speaker 1>But they throw sex parties.

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<v Speaker 5>That's like, that's most of what they do is they

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<v Speaker 5>throw sex parties and in the same basement they clear

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<v Speaker 5>the mattresses and set up eighty chairs for a comedy

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<v Speaker 5>show instead, so.

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<v Speaker 4>Help turning on the black lights.

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<v Speaker 5>So I think the core audience at first was like

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<v Speaker 5>the Hacienda Crowd. I partnered with them to produce the

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<v Speaker 5>show because you know a lot of people go to

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<v Speaker 5>sex parties or sex workshops or whatever would also be.

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<v Speaker 1>Interested in naked comedy show.

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<v Speaker 6>Uh.

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<v Speaker 5>Then we started getting some of the newest because we

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<v Speaker 5>started allowing the first two rows to be clothing optional.

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<v Speaker 5>So now we have that crowd a bit. And then

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<v Speaker 5>we got this New York Times piece and and you

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<v Speaker 5>know whoever follows the comedians on the show, So then

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<v Speaker 5>we get a little bit of that crowd in. We

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<v Speaker 5>get some people, you know, fans of my podcasts come in.

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<v Speaker 5>So we've got a mix of like normal comedy audience,

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<v Speaker 5>my listenership, and then like generic comedy audience, which is weird.

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<v Speaker 5>Sometimes we'll be like, oh, how'd you find out about

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<v Speaker 5>the show? Some times the dude will be like, I

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<v Speaker 5>just searched for comedy. No, you didn't know, you dan,

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<v Speaker 5>You search comedy, the seller shows up, Okay, you have

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<v Speaker 5>to search certain words to find this show right on

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<v Speaker 5>event right.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, and anyhow, the thing for me is that Naked

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<v Speaker 3>Is is louder than comedy, you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 3>If you put it that way, So doesn't it overshadow

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<v Speaker 3>the jokes. If you have a really strong set, do

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<v Speaker 3>you ever do a control group and take it out

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<v Speaker 3>and see what it's like clothes versus unclothed.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm not booking just whoever's willing to take their clothes off.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, I loved Andy and what he created whatever,

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<v Speaker 5>many years ago, but I always felt like he booked me.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, then what was the bar. I'm booking people

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<v Speaker 5>where if it was a clothed comedy show, it's still

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<v Speaker 5>a great show, you know, trying to book you know,

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<v Speaker 5>people with credits, people with chops, people who are worth

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<v Speaker 5>paying if they weren't taking their clothes off, right, But

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<v Speaker 5>to be honest with you, after like the first thirty

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<v Speaker 5>to ninety seconds, they're like, what do you got?

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<v Speaker 1>Like what jokes? Do you know? Normalize? It really does normalize.

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<v Speaker 5>After, especially later in the say, if you're the fourth,

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<v Speaker 5>fifth comic, they'll be like, cool, we've seen it, We've

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<v Speaker 5>seen some Like do you have material?

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<v Speaker 1>You know?

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<v Speaker 5>Maybe if you're the first comic up there like whoa, whoa,

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<v Speaker 5>it's naked. By the fifth comic, they're like, yeah, you

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<v Speaker 5>got okay, what do you got here?

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, tell me about your mom?

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<v Speaker 4>You know, are you allowed to be a clothed naked

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<v Speaker 4>given a performer given in that show gives Yeah, it

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<v Speaker 4>came out great, didn't it will any performer still perform

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<v Speaker 4>on that show that is not nude. So that's the thing.

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<v Speaker 4>The performer got to be naked. It doesn't matter that

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<v Speaker 4>you have clothing optional.

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<v Speaker 5>When I see the first two shows we did, it

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<v Speaker 5>was there was no nudity allowed in the audience and

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<v Speaker 5>every show. Do you think we could get naked next

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<v Speaker 5>time too? When enough people sold out packed?

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<v Speaker 4>Are we talking like Madison Square Garden numbers or are

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<v Speaker 4>we talking about sixty people?

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, look in in the borough of Brooklyn, a

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<v Speaker 5>seventy five seeded show outside of something at the at

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<v Speaker 5>Barclay or what ever. I mean, that's probably one of

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<v Speaker 5>the biggest comedy once one night a month, an orgy

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<v Speaker 5>Basement in Bushwick is the biggest comedy club in Brooklyn.

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<v Speaker 4>Really, no, really, I promise you there.

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<v Speaker 1>Are two proper comedy clubs.

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<v Speaker 5>There's like two or three comedy clubs, and none of

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<v Speaker 5>them can see eighty I think Eastville maybe can seat

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<v Speaker 5>that many, but I don't think they're they're packing that

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<v Speaker 5>in on any given Friday Saturday night, So like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>once a month, we're probably the biggest show in Brooklyn.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a whole world, but we don't know about this,

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<v Speaker 3>the whole hundred stuff that's out there. We're sitting here

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<v Speaker 3>like two idiots. When a naked podcast starting Tuesday and you.

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<v Speaker 4>Much as we tell you, I don't know what kind

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<v Speaker 4>of viewership we got.

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<v Speaker 3>It would be wow wow. So are you at the

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<v Speaker 3>point now? How long you've been doing it?

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<v Speaker 1>One year?

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<v Speaker 3>So do you feel totally comfortable going to the club,

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<v Speaker 3>going to the undressing room, taking off your clothes, coming out,

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<v Speaker 3>and just doing your thing. It's not even it doesn't

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<v Speaker 3>even phase you anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm comfortable doing naked comedy.

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<v Speaker 5>The thing I was more uncomfortable about is like I

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<v Speaker 5>normally didn't MC as long as I've been doing stand up.

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<v Speaker 5>No one was ever like, yeah, I have proceede a host.

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<v Speaker 5>So I literally learned how to host stand up comedy

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<v Speaker 5>this year naked, Like that's the only way I know

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<v Speaker 5>how to MC. But like I can MC naked if

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<v Speaker 5>you have a gig and you need a host, if

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<v Speaker 5>I can take my pants off, I'll do a great job.

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<v Speaker 1>Really, Otherwise I'm not too Shore. Let me ask you

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<v Speaker 1>about that.

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<v Speaker 4>So you're here in la if I sent you over

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<v Speaker 4>to the comedy store, yea right, objectively? I mean, I

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<v Speaker 4>know it's hard to be objective about this, but would

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<v Speaker 4>your stuff be just as effective there as Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, And I meant like specifically MCing because that's such

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<v Speaker 5>a specific cres like doing normal stand up.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. No, I'm confident in that I've been doing that

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<v Speaker 1>a while.

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<v Speaker 3>So does it bug you though any of the major

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<v Speaker 3>Jerry Sidelet's not going to take his clothes off, Dave

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<v Speaker 3>Chppe's not gonnake the close off because they probably feel

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<v Speaker 3>I don't have to do that to be funny.

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<v Speaker 1>Any of your guys that are the next guys that

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<v Speaker 1>are breaking.

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<v Speaker 3>Through that that you think will escalate out of the

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<v Speaker 3>naked comedy thing.

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<v Speaker 5>We've had a lot of comedians with like big credits,

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<v Speaker 5>people on America's Got We had Jason Williams from America's

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<v Speaker 5>Got Talent and whil'n Out. We've had people from you

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<v Speaker 5>know who've done stuff on like MTV. You've done late

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<v Speaker 5>night sets on the Tonight Show and Late Show and

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<v Speaker 5>Late Late Show. We've had people who've been in just

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<v Speaker 5>for last New York Comedy Festival. I mean, like I said, like,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm not trying to book whoever. There's maybe maybe sometimes

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<v Speaker 5>there's one spot where I'm taking a shot on someone,

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<v Speaker 5>but otherwise it's like I'm booking people where I'm like,

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<v Speaker 5>I'd pay you if you were totally closed, because you're

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<v Speaker 5>worth it. I'm not trying to just I'm not usually

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<v Speaker 5>scrambling for for comics.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm getting good people.

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<v Speaker 4>When you talk to a comic who has not done

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<v Speaker 4>this before but they have some success, right, what are

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<v Speaker 4>their questions, what are their hesitations? Why why do they

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<v Speaker 4>decide to do it or not do it? What's their journey?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know?

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<v Speaker 5>I know some people have told me that they want

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<v Speaker 5>to do it because of the whole body and security thing,

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<v Speaker 5>and it's a way to tackle it and like tackle

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<v Speaker 5>it head on and come at it and see that, oh,

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<v Speaker 5>like my body it's valid and oh it's not that's

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<v Speaker 5>scary to expose myself to some people, you know. Frankly,

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<v Speaker 5>I mean the people who have been most self conscious

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<v Speaker 5>when they turn me down because of the body stuff,

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<v Speaker 5>usually got like thinner, fitter bodies than me.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I think a lot of the dudes.

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<v Speaker 5>A lot of the cysts men who do it like

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<v Speaker 5>they're definitely worried about the whole size thing.

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<v Speaker 1>But also like, I don't know, grow up, it's fine,

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<v Speaker 1>No one really cares. It's not what I've heard.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so you have to be really confident with your

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<v Speaker 3>body at some point, I mean, to get to the

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<v Speaker 3>more serious issue body shaming and all.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, we're a culture now.

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<v Speaker 3>It used to do airbrushing on magazines all of the stuff,

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<v Speaker 3>and now it's a big deal. They show like actresses

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<v Speaker 3>Sam's makeup. We say we're more accepting, we're not going

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<v Speaker 3>to fact shame all this stuff. However, body consciousness is

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<v Speaker 3>still a major, a major deal to get over. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know how Jason does what he did well. He

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't he takes I mean, like you said, you're you're

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<v Speaker 3>okay taking off your clothes.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not. No, I'm not so so that it bothers you.

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<v Speaker 3>Why don't you say no? What is it with you

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<v Speaker 3>that got you to do that or feel comfortable enough

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<v Speaker 3>to do it?

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<v Speaker 4>I have done it for two reasons. One is is

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<v Speaker 4>it funny? Can I and I am? I I might

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<v Speaker 4>be more comfortable actually in Billie's environment, and not than

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<v Speaker 4>if I was doing a serious, you know, sort of

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<v Speaker 4>a sex scene in a film. I don't think of

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<v Speaker 4>myself as a sexually provocative figure, but I do understand

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<v Speaker 4>that there are more people that look like me than don't,

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<v Speaker 4>so that there's something if we just go If we

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<v Speaker 4>can't have a sense of humor about this, then the

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<v Speaker 4>world is not a happy place. So I am okay,

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<v Speaker 4>or I get myself okay to use my body for comedy.

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<v Speaker 4>There was one film I did called Love alor Compassion,

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<v Speaker 4>when I did a more serious nudity and but in

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<v Speaker 4>that one I was able to get behind what why

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<v Speaker 4>the character was making that choice, and it felt very.

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<v Speaker 1>I really it was.

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<v Speaker 4>It was I didn't have a sense of, oh, Jason's naked. Now,

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<v Speaker 4>I had a sense of but.

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<v Speaker 5>When you actually did it, how did it feel when you, like,

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<v Speaker 5>literally were doing that in front of the crew and

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<v Speaker 5>the cast?

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<v Speaker 1>Not great? Not great?

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<v Speaker 4>I mean the moments between the shots were excruciating for me.

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<v Speaker 4>But that has more to do with me. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm I'm weird here. I have this very gregarious, extroverted persona.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm in the public eye, I'm arguably celebrity, and I

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<v Speaker 4>don't feel that most of the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Would I'm much.

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<v Speaker 4>Happier being not as visible and not as scene and

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<v Speaker 4>not as so it's it's very uncomforted.

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<v Speaker 3>But you do it, and you did it in our series,

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<v Speaker 3>and you were a great sport about it, and watching

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<v Speaker 3>you do it and getting the less was interesting for

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<v Speaker 3>me because as your friend. It also bothered me a

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<v Speaker 3>little because I thought, Wow, he's really got to put

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<v Speaker 3>himself out there that way, and I'm really self I'm

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<v Speaker 3>self conscious. I don't I have mirror I'm like a vampire.

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<v Speaker 3>I have stuff on mirrors in my house. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>like to see me naked at all. There's nothing appealing

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<v Speaker 3>to me about seeing me, And I wonder Bill if

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<v Speaker 3>this is something for you too.

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<v Speaker 4>When I was doing those scends, a part of me

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<v Speaker 4>was also going, well, if I'm uncomfortable, this is uncomfortable

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<v Speaker 4>for everybody. It's uncomfortable for the crew too, So I've

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<v Speaker 4>got to make it okay. I've got to make it

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<v Speaker 4>something that we go, okay, we're all doing our jobs.

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<v Speaker 4>We're fine, Let's just do this and have fun with

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<v Speaker 4>it and move on.

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<v Speaker 1>So part of my.

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<v Speaker 4>Attitude, my projected attitude in those occasions, was trying to

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<v Speaker 4>put everyone else.

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<v Speaker 1>At eat You're comfortable and I got But is.

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<v Speaker 4>That any part of your your audience is coming out

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<v Speaker 4>specifically for this experience. But do you feel like you've

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<v Speaker 4>got to even get that audience over the hump a

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<v Speaker 4>little bit? I mean, I don't even care.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm like I said, I'm booking a good show, so

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<v Speaker 5>I know the audience is taking care of I'm most

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<v Speaker 5>protective and want to take care of the comics. I

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<v Speaker 5>want to make sure they're okay, they're comfortable, they're confident

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<v Speaker 5>to go out there and kick ass, because, like, like.

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<v Speaker 1>You just describe, you're the leader of that mood.

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<v Speaker 5>So if if Jason is out there and confident and fine,

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<v Speaker 5>then everyone's like, I guess everything's fine.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 5>I try to foster an environment at that show of

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<v Speaker 5>like you know, I just try to create like a

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<v Speaker 5>safe space for everything going on, which is weird because

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<v Speaker 5>the green room is technically like a storage room, so

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<v Speaker 5>it does not look like a safe space.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's it's yeah, it's about the environment the culture

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<v Speaker 1>you foster.

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<v Speaker 4>Do you find that the women have any more of

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<v Speaker 4>a challenge or do they respond even more? Is it

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<v Speaker 4>do they have a different experience than the guys doing it.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't want to speak for them right anything like that,

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<v Speaker 5>but you know I will.

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<v Speaker 1>I will say this, Like you see, you know, we.

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<v Speaker 5>Talk a lot about like I think there's a lot

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<v Speaker 5>of discourse about like stand up comedy lineups and diversity

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<v Speaker 5>and lineups and whatnot. And I go like, I always

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<v Speaker 5>have usually like two or three you know, women or

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<v Speaker 5>fems on the Naked Show. So any time I see

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<v Speaker 5>like a comedy poster and it's got only dudes, and

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<v Speaker 5>it always has only dudes, I'm like, what's your excuse

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<v Speaker 5>because I'm I'm getting them willing to take their clothes off?

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<v Speaker 5>You won't, you won't even are you even trying?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 5>Because I always yeah, you know, I think they can

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<v Speaker 5>also face a different type of backlash from say, audience

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<v Speaker 5>members potentially.

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<v Speaker 1>I think there's a little extra risk there for them.

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<v Speaker 5>But again, I just try to do whatever I can

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<v Speaker 5>to help to assist to mitigate anything. You know, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>someone there was one guy who like sent some d

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<v Speaker 5>MS to a few female comics on an upcoming show.

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<v Speaker 1>It's maybe a couple months ago, and I banned them.

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<v Speaker 5>I refunded his stick I was like, you know, you're

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<v Speaker 5>good because he's hitting them up, and he's only hitting

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<v Speaker 5>up female comed You remember the Chris rock Jokes joke

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<v Speaker 5>where he goes like you think the cops would shoot

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<v Speaker 5>a white kid just to make it look good once

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<v Speaker 5>in a while, right, It was like that. It's like, dude,

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<v Speaker 5>this is blatantly you're trying, you know. So I was like,

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<v Speaker 5>you're not welcome here, because like, I don't need I

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<v Speaker 5>don't need creepy dudes making the female comics uncomfortable because

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<v Speaker 5>them being comfortable as why them and their friends are

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<v Speaker 5>willing to do it.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he's much healthier than I am. Oh, for sure,

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<v Speaker 1>we are.

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<v Speaker 4>I am part of that world that that nudity to

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<v Speaker 4>me is a thing. It's it's a threshold that that

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<v Speaker 4>I always think there has to be a very good reason.

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<v Speaker 3>To cross it. Making this is loud. Yes, it's making

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<v Speaker 3>a statement. It's a thing.

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<v Speaker 4>You and I know that we in this country in particular,

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<v Speaker 4>we're accused all the time of having real problems, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>with nudity and sexuality.

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<v Speaker 1>And I get that.

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<v Speaker 4>And I think the whole movement of our younger generations,

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<v Speaker 4>as we become more and more open and available to

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<v Speaker 4>people with you know, redefining themselves with gender and sexuality.

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<v Speaker 4>We're becoming more and more open to the discussions. But

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<v Speaker 4>but I'm you know, I'm still thinking. You know, someone

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<v Speaker 4>drops their clothes, I go, I look the other way, because.

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<v Speaker 5>Y'all are from a generation in between, right, because like

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<v Speaker 5>a generation above you a little bit more of that

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<v Speaker 5>free love, say sixty seventies stuff, and then my generation's

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<v Speaker 5>kind of coming after all that, and there's like another

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<v Speaker 5>one in between with a little bit more age.

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<v Speaker 3>As I went to a spa with my wife in

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<v Speaker 3>the desert, I go and they say, the the mudbands

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<v Speaker 3>are outside over there, and I go, can I give

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<v Speaker 3>you road?

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<v Speaker 1>They tell you that they put on the robe.

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<v Speaker 3>In it, and I put on the robe in the

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<v Speaker 3>frigging slipper thing, and you know, it's all of that

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<v Speaker 3>with the world. And I walk outside and there is

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<v Speaker 3>a client from the radio station lying there completely naked.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean in the mud in the mud.

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<v Speaker 3>No no, no, no, we haven't gotten in the mud bed.

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<v Speaker 3>This is on the road to the mud Beth. There

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<v Speaker 3>should have been warning signs up. You may see, like

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<v Speaker 3>they say, you may see a lot like an animal park.

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<v Speaker 3>You may be see across. So I'm going and there

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<v Speaker 3>she is. This is somebody I know that I've worked

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<v Speaker 3>with it And she is as naked as you can be,

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<v Speaker 3>and like like spread out for to get a ten

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<v Speaker 3>and I don't want to look.

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<v Speaker 1>And she goes Peter and waits and to this she

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<v Speaker 1>calling you see what I did.

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<v Speaker 3>To this day, it's ingrained in my head because that

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<v Speaker 3>was one of the most uncomfortable moments.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you something else about that place.

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<v Speaker 4>My friend David Crane, who's the co creator of Friends,

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<v Speaker 4>had the best line about that place. I won't I

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<v Speaker 4>won't name place, but he said, I guarantee you at

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<v Speaker 4>some point there were four millionaires sitting around the table going.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I'll bet you have five million bucks. I

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<v Speaker 1>can get people to plan to pay the lion mud.

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<v Speaker 1>I was going, what kind of mud?

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<v Speaker 2>It was?

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<v Speaker 1>So, what kind of mud?

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<v Speaker 4>Way just steaks and leaves and and what And do

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<v Speaker 4>you clean the mud out after each person?

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<v Speaker 3>No, so it's exactly what you said. So I'm naked,

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<v Speaker 3>my wife's naked, and we get in the mud. If

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<v Speaker 3>you've never done that before, within three seconds, you know

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<v Speaker 3>you've made an awful error, an awful mistake. And I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know why it's not this, but they are twigs.

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<v Speaker 3>There's all kinds oftuff and then ready, I don't know

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<v Speaker 3>why this name came to my head, but I thought

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<v Speaker 3>if Don Delawise was in here before me, I'm sitting

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<v Speaker 3>in Don Delawi's and I literally hot mud. I'm claustrophobic, right,

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<v Speaker 3>it's up to my neck, and.

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<v Speaker 1>I got it's heavy mud. So they started.

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<v Speaker 4>I got, I'm I'm mildly asthmatic. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 4>I could breathe it.

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<v Speaker 3>I got out of there as soon as I got in,

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<v Speaker 3>and I went help me out. So your public public,

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<v Speaker 3>publicly speaking, naked, and I give you, I do give

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<v Speaker 3>you credit for that, because you are healthier than the

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<v Speaker 3>both of us put together.

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<v Speaker 1>I couldn't do it. I couldn't. In a hostile situation,

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<v Speaker 1>I would just say me. I'm also willing to bet

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<v Speaker 1>you're funnier than us. Yeah no, no, no, no, no problem.

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<v Speaker 1>Now there's more Emmys at that table than mine. There's only.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's complete, it's completely we don't have the display

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<v Speaker 3>case yet. Well, thank you, be safe, thank you for

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<v Speaker 3>coming in me. Should we just we're just gonna chat.

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna chat with you here and you can jump

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<v Speaker 1>or not again.

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<v Speaker 3>He is healthier than we are. But you have a history.

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<v Speaker 3>There's been a history of nudity in the theater, which

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<v Speaker 3>is really kind of interesting, A long history of nudity

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<v Speaker 3>in theater. And we started talking. I said, talk about

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<v Speaker 3>this on the air with it during the podcast. Because

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<v Speaker 3>there's Equis, there's the Blue Room, there's Confederates, there's full Monty,

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<v Speaker 3>the Graduate, Killer Joe and Butterfly. As I said, o' calcatta,

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<v Speaker 3>Reefer Madis, the Vagina Monologuns, and on and on.

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<v Speaker 4>And so, living out puppetry of the peafaetry.

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<v Speaker 1>Of the penis. And some of those is interesting.

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<v Speaker 3>Some of those were plays that originated with nudity, and

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<v Speaker 3>some of them are plays that the director then decided

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<v Speaker 3>to make a choice to add nudity to a scene

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<v Speaker 3>or whatever that wasn't in the original et cetera.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, when you and I were talking, I basically said,

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<v Speaker 4>for me, ninety percent of the time, when nudity is

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<v Speaker 4>done on stage, particularly but certainly even in film, I

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<v Speaker 4>always go it's it's absolutely gratuitous. It wasn't necessary to

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<v Speaker 4>tell the story or for the audience to feel the

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<v Speaker 4>intent of the scene. It was absolutely not necessary, and

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<v Speaker 4>I believe most of the time when it's employed, it

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<v Speaker 4>is done for prurient purposes. It's to go, hey, we

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<v Speaker 4>got somebody who looks great and they're naked in this

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<v Speaker 4>thing and wait and come and see. So the perfect

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<v Speaker 4>example for me. And again I'm not this sounds like

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<v Speaker 4>I'm throwing shade at something. I'm not because I've never

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<v Speaker 4>talked to any of the creators of the productions that

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<v Speaker 4>do this.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you look at the play Equis, if you.

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<v Speaker 4>Don't know the story, it's based on an actual event

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<v Speaker 4>where a young man, a teenager, blinded six horses, and

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<v Speaker 4>the playwright started to try to write a play about

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<v Speaker 4>why would somebody do that, and he came up with

0:26:43.000 --> 0:26:47.199
<v Speaker 4>a scenario where the boy had equated horses with a

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<v Speaker 4>sort of a christ like religious religiosity. So in the

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<v Speaker 4>end of the first act, the boy in therapy reenacts

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<v Speaker 4>a experience where he takes a horse out of the

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<v Speaker 4>stable at night, rides him nude, and has a masturbatory

0:27:03.400 --> 0:27:07.720
<v Speaker 4>experience on the horse. And that scene is always performed

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<v Speaker 4>with the actor clothed. Now he's supposed to be naked.

0:27:12.680 --> 0:27:15.600
<v Speaker 4>He supposed to be a sexual act and he's totally clothed.

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<v Speaker 4>But in the second act, the scene where he is

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<v Speaker 4>taken by the stable girl to the stables where he's

0:27:22.080 --> 0:27:24.520
<v Speaker 4>going to lose his virginity, and that's where he freaks

0:27:24.560 --> 0:27:25.840
<v Speaker 4>out because the horses are there.

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<v Speaker 1>That scene is always done with the boy and the

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<v Speaker 1>girl now nude. And I go, why.

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<v Speaker 4>Why if we were able to experience the first act

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<v Speaker 4>scene and we totally got the story and we totally

0:27:40.640 --> 0:27:43.479
<v Speaker 4>got the experience, why are we asking these two actors now?

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<v Speaker 4>And I go, because there's a girl. There's a girl there.

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<v Speaker 4>And I always thought from the time and the first

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<v Speaker 4>time I saw it, I was a teenager, and believe me,

0:27:50.880 --> 0:27:53.560
<v Speaker 4>you know, seeing a naked girl was heaven to me.

0:27:53.720 --> 0:27:55.520
<v Speaker 4>But even the first time I saw it, I went,

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<v Speaker 4>that's really weird.

0:27:58.160 --> 0:27:59.080
<v Speaker 1>That's weird.

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<v Speaker 4>And that's how I feel most of the time when

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<v Speaker 4>I see nudity on stage or.

0:28:04.480 --> 0:28:06.800
<v Speaker 1>Short scenes or even non.

0:28:06.680 --> 0:28:10.719
<v Speaker 4>Sexual scenes in films, I go, why is it important

0:28:11.160 --> 0:28:14.800
<v Speaker 4>that that actor be exposed to me in this way?

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<v Speaker 4>So maybe we're moving toward that kind but you know,

0:28:17.600 --> 0:28:19.680
<v Speaker 4>you also have a show that I really enjoy, which

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<v Speaker 4>is Minx, and Minx is all about basically the creation

0:28:23.280 --> 0:28:26.159
<v Speaker 4>of playgirls, right, you know, stuff like that, but it

0:28:26.280 --> 0:28:30.240
<v Speaker 4>is done with an attitude towards the nudity and the sexuality.

0:28:30.280 --> 0:28:33.080
<v Speaker 4>That is, I do not find that show gratuitous. And

0:28:33.760 --> 0:28:37.119
<v Speaker 4>that's the atmosphere this would have been in. And they're all,

0:28:37.560 --> 0:28:38.880
<v Speaker 4>it's nothing to them, And.

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<v Speaker 5>Look to see who the creator and maybe some of

0:28:40.800 --> 0:28:43.640
<v Speaker 5>the directors or writers of that is, like, are they dudes?

0:28:43.680 --> 0:28:45.880
<v Speaker 1>Are they women? It's a it's a mixed bath, right.

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<v Speaker 3>I also think I also think because I knew people

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<v Speaker 3>involved in those areas at that time. Yeah, how they

0:28:51.880 --> 0:28:54.560
<v Speaker 3>treated that was really interesting. They didn't treat it's purient.

0:28:54.720 --> 0:28:56.840
<v Speaker 3>It was it was content yea, they were doing And

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<v Speaker 3>then they were also hiring some of the best writers

0:28:58.840 --> 0:29:01.280
<v Speaker 3>and for the magazine this after they wanted to get

0:29:01.280 --> 0:29:04.120
<v Speaker 3>out Hearrott with some really good content.

0:29:04.240 --> 0:29:04.880
<v Speaker 1>But that's the thing.

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<v Speaker 4>The whole thing about Minx is she she's writing serious

0:29:08.000 --> 0:29:10.920
<v Speaker 4>feminist right, you know, and that was her pieces. And

0:29:10.960 --> 0:29:14.400
<v Speaker 4>the guy who plays the photographer is portrayed as a

0:29:14.520 --> 0:29:17.000
<v Speaker 4>very serious artist. He actually would like to be doing

0:29:17.080 --> 0:29:18.600
<v Speaker 4>other things, but he's doing what.

0:29:18.680 --> 0:29:19.680
<v Speaker 1>He's wanted to do.

0:29:19.760 --> 0:29:21.720
<v Speaker 3>A lot of the biggest writers in the sixties and

0:29:21.800 --> 0:29:24.600
<v Speaker 3>seventy started in the point with Larry Flint. Yeah, started

0:29:24.600 --> 0:29:28.680
<v Speaker 3>in that world. For a lot of those one it's

0:29:28.720 --> 0:29:31.480
<v Speaker 3>it's well to me. I basically, what do you think

0:29:32.840 --> 0:29:33.440
<v Speaker 3>next episode?

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<v Speaker 1>You want to do it? Nigga? Do it? Shut up, Billy?

0:29:39.200 --> 0:29:44.960
<v Speaker 1>Is he's still here? I heard, let's go to Google.

0:29:45.680 --> 0:29:46.479
<v Speaker 1>Let's wrap this up.

0:29:46.560 --> 0:29:48.600
<v Speaker 4>Yes, shut up, Billy.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, here's the big thing, because when you make the

0:29:53.400 --> 0:29:56.920
<v Speaker 6>decision to go out there and do your naked comedy,

0:29:56.960 --> 0:30:00.440
<v Speaker 6>you have decisions to make. And I wanted you to

0:30:00.520 --> 0:30:03.680
<v Speaker 6>be equipped with what you need to know before you.

0:30:03.760 --> 0:30:07.000
<v Speaker 1>If I was equipped, I'd be a lot happier doing Yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>But see, it's not just what God gives you, it's

0:30:09.400 --> 0:30:10.479
<v Speaker 6>how you put it together.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, in twenty.

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<v Speaker 6>Twenty three, what are things supposed to look like downtown?

0:30:17.200 --> 0:30:19.760
<v Speaker 1>Well, I know we were supposed to be hairless. Well,

0:30:20.240 --> 0:30:23.240
<v Speaker 1>I think we're past that. I think we're coming back

0:30:23.240 --> 0:30:25.360
<v Speaker 1>around with hair You know, wait a minute, that point

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I got to tell you? Really I

0:30:27.520 --> 0:30:27.800
<v Speaker 1>have not.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, we're good friends, we have condens you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I never had a manscating conversation to say, and I

0:30:33.400 --> 0:30:36.240
<v Speaker 3>honestly don't know what things should be like downtown.

0:30:36.600 --> 0:30:38.320
<v Speaker 1>I have some I have some options.

0:30:38.440 --> 0:30:41.320
<v Speaker 6>I have sure because I know you know, Jason, you

0:30:41.320 --> 0:30:43.560
<v Speaker 6>don't have a lot of options in certain areas, but

0:30:43.640 --> 0:30:44.840
<v Speaker 6>other areas, I'm sure you could.

0:30:44.920 --> 0:30:47.280
<v Speaker 1>You have the whole regia.

0:30:48.120 --> 0:30:50.400
<v Speaker 4>Very too much, David pursue.

0:30:52.040 --> 0:30:52.640
<v Speaker 1>Well, let's see.

0:30:52.760 --> 0:30:56.760
<v Speaker 6>You can start out with the lion's man. Oh, sure,

0:30:57.000 --> 0:30:59.560
<v Speaker 6>I will describe them, but only at your inquiry.

0:31:00.120 --> 0:31:02.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think I got the lions man. You got

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<v Speaker 1>the lions made okay. The landing strip.

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<v Speaker 3>Popular, very popular, Like the lines made for you have

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<v Speaker 3>to have a considerable amount of hair to do to

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<v Speaker 3>pull off the.

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<v Speaker 1>Peter.

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<v Speaker 5>When was the last time you trimmed down man?

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<v Speaker 1>Rather than what is that? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 6>And again these are for men, because you too, obviously

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<v Speaker 6>are men as far as we do we are, so

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<v Speaker 6>these are styles for men.

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<v Speaker 1>The landing strip, landing.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, it's just some continuity from the flesh to the hair.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this is an interesting one.

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<v Speaker 6>The brief encounter what don't know, no grief encounter now.

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<v Speaker 1>Like a crop circle like the night I lost my virginity? What? Well?

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<v Speaker 6>No, simply trim all the areas of pubic hair that

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<v Speaker 6>would stick out.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly, Sorry, I have we have calls now.

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<v Speaker 6>This is this is my favorite because this one takes

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<v Speaker 6>some Gojones.

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<v Speaker 1>The billiard balls. I don't want to know what that is,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I I can't even imagine. I'm already seeing.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh no, probably not. We'll have to remove it.

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<v Speaker 3>A lot a lot of blood on the floor and

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<v Speaker 3>stipptic pencil.

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<v Speaker 1>Just say, you.

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<v Speaker 6>Pretty much leave everything alone, but a couple of things

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<v Speaker 6>you really don't.

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<v Speaker 4>I draw like a number on one of the one

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<v Speaker 4>of my song the other one I paint white.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that what that is? Yeah? Would you play with

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<v Speaker 1>four stripe a little more? Yeah? By the way, is

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<v Speaker 1>it Dale Earnhardt fans? So you have eight on your

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<v Speaker 1>your balls? Is that is that one that's in there?

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<v Speaker 1>If you're a NASCAR fan? Oh? Peter, would you ever?

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<v Speaker 5>Would you ever trim up to just mimic this facial hair?

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<v Speaker 5>What about that for a lot?

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<v Speaker 1>David? Yeah, just bring that Downtown Browser. Mark. Well, thank

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<v Speaker 1>you for that research. It was in value. I'm so

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<v Speaker 1>glad we included your segment. You went to you always

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<v Speaker 1>elevate you you say, how can I elevate? And you

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<v Speaker 1>always do? Today?

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<v Speaker 4>All right, Peter. I can do now is sit here

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<v Speaker 4>and think of what you must look like naked. You've

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<v Speaker 4>seen me naked? Where would I see you naked? We've

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<v Speaker 4>gone to spring looking at you. You can't avoid.

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<v Speaker 1>It, Jason, Did that knight mean nothing to you? Nothing?

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<v Speaker 1>He's threatened by my nudity? Oh you bet? There you go.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's always doing this my health. You know what

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<v Speaker 1>I mean?

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<v Speaker 3>Every single time I've ever gone on his places, it's

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<v Speaker 3>you getting changed in me.

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<v Speaker 1>Going, I gotta find the guy. I forgot my locker

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<v Speaker 1>number every time, every time, and me go and ask

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<v Speaker 1>the kid, find the kid that I had to get naked.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm always going, where's my excuse me, where's my

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<v Speaker 3>locker number? And you go, I'll meet you with the

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<v Speaker 3>thank you. Everybody run away while you can't really.

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<v Speaker 1>Well now, really, really no, really, that's another episode.

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<v Speaker 2>appeared in the theater was in the early nineteen hundreds,

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<v Speaker 2>when naked models posed on stage at one Didn's Windmill

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<v Speaker 2>Theater and New York's Zigfeld Follies. Now, at that time,

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<v Speaker 2>the laws didn't allow nude or topless performances, but they

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<v Speaker 2>did allow naked performers to pose absolutely motionless.

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<v Speaker 1>As works of art.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, obviously that wouldn't have helped naked Jason Alexander at all.

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<v Speaker 2>He could be still as a stone and Nolan is

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<v Speaker 2>going to confuse him with a work of art.

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<v Speaker 1>And I am nauseous

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