1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:02,519 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. 2 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:12,000 Speaker 2: A beautiful little girl just two years old dies and 3 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:17,640 Speaker 2: one hundred and nine degree hot car where she is left. 4 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:20,279 Speaker 1: For hours by daddy. 5 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 2: And where was daddy as this little girl clawed at 6 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 2: herself in a stifling air inside the car? Oh that's right, 7 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 2: daddy's on PlayStation. Repeat, Daddy's on PlayStation. 8 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 1: He says he forgot his daughter was in the car. 9 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 2: Good evening. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank 10 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 2: you for being with us. I told you to stop 11 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 2: leaving them in the car. Shocking texts after a toddler 12 00:00:54,360 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 2: dies in a car while dad plays video games very 13 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 2: disturbing that are now being revealed. But I want you 14 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:05,759 Speaker 2: to listen to this. 15 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:34,119 Speaker 3: There's a baby on the ground and go where he station? No, lao, man, 16 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:34,679 Speaker 3: here's that. 17 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 2: In? 18 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, ma'am in the car? 19 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 2: Does anyone recognize the name Baby Cooper or Justin Ross Harris? 20 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 1: I do. 21 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 2: That call was placed years ago, yet here we are 22 00:01:55,760 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 2: again today. What this two year old little lived through 23 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 2: before she finally succumbed is unspeakable. 24 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 1: Did we learn nothing from Baby Cooper? 25 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 2: Listen you said if you were four or five feet 26 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 2: away from Baby Cooper What did you observe about him? 27 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 4: You look clean. 28 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:22,279 Speaker 5: I saw no bruises, I saw no abrasions. Here wasn't pulled. 29 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:23,799 Speaker 1: Back, it was well. Was he laying on his back 30 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 1: or a stomach? He was laying on his back, okay. 31 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:29,399 Speaker 2: Because the abrasions mostly are on the back of the head, 32 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 2: where we believe he was banging up against his car 33 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 2: seat trying to get out. 34 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:35,400 Speaker 1: So was he pale? 35 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:37,920 Speaker 3: No, he looked normal. 36 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 6: He just was lifeless. 37 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:42,800 Speaker 2: He looked like a little bitty baby doll getting taken 38 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 2: out of the car. Nothing was wrong on the front anyway, 39 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 2: But upon examination at the medical examiner's office, the back 40 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:56,800 Speaker 2: of his head showed where he had banged back trying 41 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 2: to get out of the car seat where he was 42 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 2: trapped in. There were claw marks where he tried to 43 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:08,080 Speaker 2: claw trying to get his clothes off, or clawing at 44 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 2: the seat belt. 45 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 1: The air getting stifling hot? How hot? 46 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 2: I want you to hear what a vet says when 47 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 2: this vet does an experiment about people leaving their dog 48 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 2: in a hot car. 49 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 7: Listen, So let's start a timer and let's see exactly 50 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 7: how hot it gets in here. I'm at five minutes in. 51 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 7: It is unbelievably hot in here. We're nearing one hundred 52 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 7: degrees already, and I can tell you that it is 53 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 7: stifling in here. Okay, I'm at fifteen minutes now and 54 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 7: it's about one hundred and ten. In my car. The 55 00:03:55,600 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 7: temperature right now is about one fifteen. What I really 56 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 7: wanted to set out to do is see how I 57 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 7: felt to be left in a parked car. 58 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 2: You're hearing doctor Ernie Ward speaking. He actually set a timer. 59 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 2: Listen to what else he. 60 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 1: Has to say. 61 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:16,919 Speaker 7: I mean, this kills and it's allowsy way to die 62 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:21,040 Speaker 7: and slowly but surely, having the energy and the life 63 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:26,280 Speaker 7: just burnt out of them by this heat. And you 64 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 7: can make all the excuses you want, you can say, 65 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:30,280 Speaker 7: it'll just be for a second. I'm gonna leave the 66 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:33,160 Speaker 7: windows cracked, it's a breezy day, it's not that hot. 67 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:38,600 Speaker 7: But those excuses are meaningless unless you have sat in 68 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:40,840 Speaker 7: that car during that same time. 69 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:45,360 Speaker 2: Again, that's doctor Ernie Ward speaking, and he was addressing 70 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:49,360 Speaker 2: people that leave their pets in a hot car. Joining 71 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:50,839 Speaker 2: me an all star panel to make sense of what 72 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 2: we know right now. But we're not talking about a 73 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 2: dog left in a car or a pet left in 74 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:01,280 Speaker 2: a car. We're not talking about Baby Hooper that died 75 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 2: in a hot car. We are now talking about a 76 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 2: beautiful little girl just two years old, Parker Schultz. Parker 77 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 2: died outside their family home in Arizona as dad left 78 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 2: her out there, claiming he let her sleep in the car. 79 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:24,360 Speaker 8: Listen to this as Christopher Schultz calls nine one one. 80 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:28,159 Speaker 8: Doctor Erika Schultz performed CPR on little Parker. When first 81 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 8: responders arrive on the scene, the outside temperature is over 82 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 8: one hundred and nine degrees. The toddler is transported to 83 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:38,160 Speaker 8: the Banner University Medical Center, the same hospital her mother 84 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 8: works as an antiseesiologist. Unable to resuscitate the two year old, Parker, 85 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 8: Schultz is pronounced dead at four fifty eight pm. 86 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:49,360 Speaker 2: Straight out to Alexis Tereschuk Crime online dot Com investigative reporter, 87 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:54,480 Speaker 2: Let's just start at the beginning what happened leading up 88 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:56,160 Speaker 2: to the baby's death. 89 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 9: So the baby's father, Christopher Schultz, has her in the car, 90 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:03,720 Speaker 9: he goes out, he comes home, she is apparently sleeping 91 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 9: in the car and her little car seat in the back. 92 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 9: So he gets out of his car, he leaves it 93 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 9: running and he goes inside the house, thinking, oh, he 94 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:14,720 Speaker 9: didn't well. His story is, I didn't want to wake 95 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 9: her up, because no one ever wants to wake up 96 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 9: their sleeping child. So he leaves her in the car, 97 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 9: goes inside his house. His wife, who is a doctor, 98 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 9: comes home from work four o'clock in the afternoon. She 99 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:28,720 Speaker 9: pulls into the driveway. She goes inside the house. All 100 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:32,280 Speaker 9: of a sudden, she says, where's Parker, and the dad 101 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 9: apparently goes running checks every single room in the house, 102 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 9: is oh, I don't know where he is, and then 103 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 9: runs back outside says, oh, no, I must have left 104 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:42,039 Speaker 9: her in the car. The mom, because she's a doctor, 105 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:45,120 Speaker 9: starts performing CPR. They call nine one one, and the 106 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 9: police and the ambulance arrive and they take this little girl. 107 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:49,479 Speaker 10: They're desperate to save her. 108 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:51,719 Speaker 9: They can take her to the hospital and that is 109 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 9: where she was pronounced dead. 110 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:58,480 Speaker 2: In Arizona in July, the temperatures as high as one 111 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 2: hundred and eight degrees outside to especial guests joining us. 112 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 2: In addition to Alexis Terresshut with Crime Online, Amber Rollins 113 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 2: is joining US Director of Kids in Cars Safety at 114 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 2: Kidsandcars dot Org. 115 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 1: Amber Rollins thank you for being with us. 116 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 2: I've covered and investigated so many hot car deaths and 117 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 2: it's almost always a child. And there's no reason for 118 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 2: you to know this, Amber, But I observed when I 119 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 2: prosecuted and investigated crimes in intercity Atlanta. But when the 120 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 2: crime victim it's an infant or a child, very often, 121 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 2: very often, the case is plied down to involuntary or 122 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 2: voluntary manslaughter. If it were an adult or a teen 123 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 2: that had a voice of their own, things are much different. 124 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 2: But when it's a child, they're often treated like a 125 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 2: pet that it's not the same as an adult. The 126 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 2: suffering this little girl went through was agonizing. 127 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 1: Amber. 128 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 2: Could you explain what happens inside of a car when 129 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 2: it's one hundred and eight degrees outside of the car? 130 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 11: Yeah, So a vehicle is essentially a greenhouse, so it 131 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 11: allows that solar energy to come in through the windows 132 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 11: and traps that heat inside. So the inside of the 133 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 11: vehicle heats up very quickly compete, you know, deathly temperatures 134 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 11: for a child within minutes, especially when it's somewhere one 135 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 11: hundred degrees outside. 136 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 10: But it doesn't have to be that hot. 137 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 11: Actually, we've documented cases even when this year where it 138 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:40,440 Speaker 11: was in the sixties outside and a child died inside 139 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 11: of the vehicle. 140 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 2: So if it's one hundred and eight degrees, which is 141 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 2: about as hot as that has gotten in Arizona in July, 142 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 2: that's the hottest. What would the tent be inside the car? 143 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 2: If it's one hundred and eight degrees outside the car. 144 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:55,840 Speaker 10: It would be very high. 145 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 11: And it's really hard to say because there are so 146 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:00,239 Speaker 11: many different factors that go into play. 147 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 10: When this car was left, the air conditioning was on. 148 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 11: We don't know exactly how long it was running. You know, 149 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 11: if the windows are tinted, the color of the vehicle, 150 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 11: what color of you know, is it pass falt or 151 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:15,680 Speaker 11: cement makes a difference. Is there any shade covering the car? 152 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 11: You know, all of these things play a role. But 153 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 11: in those kind of temperatures, literally minutes would be deadly 154 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 11: for a child. 155 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 1: To Alexis Restuk joining us. 156 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 2: We have been researching it and speaking to experts on it, 157 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 2: experts like Amber Rollins from Kidsincars dot org, and we 158 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:35,199 Speaker 2: have learned that if it's around one hundred and eight, 159 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 2: which is the hottest it's gotten in Arizona in July, 160 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 2: chimps inside a car. And we also know correct me 161 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 2: if I'm wrong, Alexis, because you also have been investigating 162 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:52,440 Speaker 2: the case. She was sitting in direct sunlight. She was 163 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 2: not in a garage or a car port. The car 164 00:09:56,559 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 2: turned off, which is a whole nother issue about when 165 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 2: a car turns off when you leave it on and 166 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:06,679 Speaker 2: you leave it even if you leave the electronic keyfob 167 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:09,440 Speaker 2: in the car, the car will cut off. 168 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 1: It will not keep going. 169 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 2: This car, I understand, cuts off after about thirty minutes 170 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 2: generally speaking. But wasn't she in direct sunlight? Because what 171 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:24,199 Speaker 2: we have learned, Alexis, is that at one hundred and 172 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:27,559 Speaker 2: eight degrees outside, a car can get between one hundred 173 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 2: and thirty and one hundred and seventy two degrees. 174 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 1: It's literally like being in an oven. 175 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:36,079 Speaker 2: I mean, haven't you seen pictures of people when it's 176 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 2: so hot they fry an egg on their car. 177 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 1: That's what it's like to be inside the car. 178 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 9: So the car in the driveway was actually facing west 179 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:49,560 Speaker 9: so as the sun was because so originally actually Christopher, 180 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 9: the father said he came home at two thirty and 181 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 9: the mom came home at four, So at two thirty 182 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 9: in the afternoon, the car facing west, the sun is 183 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 9: no longer directly a hub ahead of you is coming 184 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 9: down and beaming straight into the car. And she was 185 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 9: in the backseat, so just directly on her. There was 186 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:09,440 Speaker 9: no shade, It was not even a garage was in 187 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:10,319 Speaker 9: the direct sideline. 188 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 2: Interesting, he says. He got home around to thirty. Listen 189 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 2: to this. 190 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 8: Arriving home from running errands, Christopher Schultz notices his two 191 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:20,839 Speaker 8: year old daughter, Parker, is asleep in her car seat. 192 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:23,320 Speaker 8: Rather than disturbing her by waking her up to go 193 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 8: inside the house, the PM the County Arizona father of 194 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 8: three decides to leave the toddler in the vehicle with 195 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 8: the air conditioner running. Schultz knows from previous experience with 196 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 8: his accurate MDX the air conditioner and vehicle will run 197 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 8: for about thirty minutes before shutting off automatically. 198 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 2: Now that's something that can be proven at trial. Crime 199 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:57,680 Speaker 2: Stories with Nancy Grace joining me again an all star panel, 200 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:00,439 Speaker 2: but now out to high profile lawyering us out of 201 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 2: the Atlanta jurisdiction. Darryl Cohen, former felony prosecutor now defense attorney. 202 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:08,559 Speaker 1: Darryl Cohen. 203 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:16,080 Speaker 2: We saw in the Alex Murdog double murder trial. Murdog 204 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 2: went on trial for the shooting murders of his wife 205 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 2: Maggie and son Paul. His navigation system in his car 206 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 2: played a huge role. His nav system, Daryl Cohen navigation system, 207 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 2: and I think he was driving a suburban. If I 208 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 2: recall correctly, showed everything, Darryl. It was a defense attorney's 209 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:43,440 Speaker 2: worst nightmare. It showed how he opened the door of 210 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:47,440 Speaker 2: his car, his SUV, around the same exact time they 211 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:52,440 Speaker 2: were shot getting in. It showed him It could show 212 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:54,599 Speaker 2: when he turned the car on, and he turned the 213 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 2: air condition on, when he put it. 214 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:59,960 Speaker 1: In drive, when he slowed down, let the window down. 215 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 1: All this is on the nav system. 216 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:03,320 Speaker 2: You know, you put on your blinker or let your 217 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 2: window down, it shows up on your nav system. 218 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:08,319 Speaker 1: It's that sensitive where he's slowed down and oh what 219 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:10,720 Speaker 1: co inch you think Maggie's. 220 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 2: Phone was found right outside where he slowed down and 221 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 2: let his window down, let the window up, and sped off. 222 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:21,079 Speaker 2: It showed how long he visited his mother and then 223 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 2: came back to the crime scene to find the dead bodies, 224 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 2: and showed all of that. So everything that this father 225 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 2: says in this case about leaving his daughter Parker in 226 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 2: the car can be destroyed or verified based on the 227 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 2: NAV system. 228 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 12: So, Nancy, in the murderer case, I changed his name 229 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:50,840 Speaker 12: to Lidall because that's what he was, the complete compelling wire. 230 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:52,960 Speaker 1: You're not really helping the defense right now. 231 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 12: I am trying to help with the truth. There is 232 00:13:56,559 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 12: no defense to system. But there is a defense for 233 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 12: as him not realizing how long he left his child there, 234 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:09,079 Speaker 12: him not realizing how long the car would run until 235 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:13,560 Speaker 12: it automatically stopped due to the situation. 236 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 2: How do you attack scientific evidence like an AV system. 237 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 1: There's got to be a way. There is a way. 238 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 6: The way I. 239 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 12: Attack scientific evidence as I say, it is what it is. 240 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 12: But here is an explanation. Here's an explanation why the 241 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 12: scientific evidence doesn't show everything. The scientific evidence doesn't show 242 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 12: his intent. The scientific evidence doesn't show how long he 243 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 12: was actually out of the car. The scientific evidence doesn't 244 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 12: show whether or not he may or may not. 245 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 6: Have come to check on her. 246 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 12: Scientific evidence is good, but also there's real evidence, and 247 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 12: there's logic, and scientific evidence is normally real, but it 248 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:58,160 Speaker 12: can be explained and mitigated from time to time. 249 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:03,120 Speaker 5: Murder charges against an Arizona dad who leaves his two 250 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 5: year old daughter to die inside the family car in 251 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 5: one hundred and nine degree heat. 252 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 1: One hundred and. 253 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 2: Nine degree heat, I thought it the highest in Arizona 254 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 2: was one hundred and eight. It's even hotter than I thought. Okay, 255 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 2: we're trying to make sense of what we are learning 256 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 2: right now, but this is what happens when mommy comes home. 257 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 2: Hold off, speaking of mommy, Alexis Tereschuk, did the dad work? 258 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 10: I did not know if the dad worked. 259 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 9: I believe that he She is a doctor, and I 260 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 9: believe that he took care of their children, because they 261 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 9: have three children. 262 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 2: I was wondering, Alexis Terestchuk, if this is a Sam 263 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 2: Haskell the Fourth situation where you remember the son of 264 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 2: the famous Hollywood agent that represents Whoopi Goldberg and Dolly 265 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 2: Parton and so many others. His son, Sam Haskell the Fourth, 266 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 2: the one that was on video whining about his steak 267 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 2: being too well done at some fancy restaurant there in 268 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 2: La right. His wife, who he killed. He's about to 269 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 2: go on trial for that. Her torso was found in 270 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 2: a dumpster. Not similar in that manner, but she was 271 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 2: the one working and supporting the entire family while he 272 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 2: went and had steak rare steaks at lunchtime. But in 273 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 2: his case, he didn't even take care of the children. 274 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 2: Her parents had moved in to take care of the children. 275 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 2: It seems as if in this case, the dad is 276 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 2: taking care of the children. Of course, Parker is now 277 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 2: dead on his watch. But this is what happens when 278 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 2: mommy gets home. 279 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 13: Arriving home a few minutes after four pm, doctor Erica 280 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 13: Schultz sees her five and nine year old daughters and 281 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 13: asked husband Chris, where is their two year old daughter, Parker. 282 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 13: Christopher Schultz first begins looking in the rooms of the house, 283 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:04,679 Speaker 13: then darts outside, where he realizes he left Parker in 284 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 13: the Accura. The vehicle is off, the air conditioner is 285 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:10,639 Speaker 13: not running, the outside temperature is over one hundred and 286 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 13: nine degrees, and Parker Schultz is taken out of the car, unresponsive, 287 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:16,879 Speaker 13: strapped in her child restraint system. 288 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:19,719 Speaker 2: So mommy gets home from a long day working at 289 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 2: the hospital to question where is my daughter? She sees 290 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:29,159 Speaker 2: her five and nine year olds, but she can't find 291 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 2: the baby. 292 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 1: Well, this is what we learn happened. 293 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 8: Arriving home from running errands. Christopher Schultz notices his two 294 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 8: year old daughter, Parker, is asleep in her car seat. 295 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:42,159 Speaker 8: Rather than disturbing her by waking her up to go 296 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 8: inside the house, the Pima County, Arizona father of three 297 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:47,639 Speaker 8: decides to leave the toddler in the vehicle with the 298 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 8: air conditioner running. Schultz knows from previous experience with his 299 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 8: accurate MDX the air conditioner and vehicle will run for 300 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 8: about thirty minutes before shutting off automatically. 301 00:17:57,680 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 1: Joining me now is. 302 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:04,920 Speaker 2: A renowned medical examiner, the chief medical examiner in Terran County. 303 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 1: That's Fort Worth, Texas. Never a lack of business there. 304 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 2: Lecturer at the Burnett School of Medicine at TCU, doctor 305 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 2: Kimball Crowns, is joining us. 306 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:16,680 Speaker 1: Doctor Kimball Crowns. 307 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 2: There are several ways to die, but dying in a 308 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 2: hot car is not one I would wish on anyone. 309 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 2: What happens during a hot car death? 310 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 10: All right? 311 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 1: So what you die? 312 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:35,399 Speaker 14: You die from hyperthermia or heat stroke. In babies especially, 313 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:39,240 Speaker 14: they don't adjust to heat as well as adults. So 314 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 14: they add their body is actually heat up about three 315 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 14: to five times faster than an adult, so they're even 316 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:49,639 Speaker 14: more exquisitely sensitive to heat changes. So what happens is, 317 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:54,960 Speaker 14: initially you begin sweating, your blood vessels dilate or days 318 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:57,640 Speaker 14: of dilation, as the blood is kind of pumped more 319 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:00,680 Speaker 14: to your skin surface to try and cool your body off. 320 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 14: As you become hotter and hotter, you're sweating more, You're 321 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 14: you're shunting more of your blood to your skin surface, 322 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:11,399 Speaker 14: so you have less blood circulating throughout your body. And 323 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 14: then eventually this results in your heart going beating faster, 324 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:21,639 Speaker 14: you start becoming lightheaded, you start vomiting, becoming dizzy, and 325 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:24,120 Speaker 14: then eventually you stop sweating because you have no more 326 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 14: fluid left, and then your body goes into organ failure. 327 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:31,879 Speaker 14: Your heart and kidneys shut down, and you die. And 328 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:36,120 Speaker 14: this happens over the course of minutes to thirty minutes. 329 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:38,440 Speaker 14: Especially in a child in that hot of an environment, 330 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:39,879 Speaker 14: they're not going to last very long. 331 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 5: A toddler left in a car for over three hours 332 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 5: dies as Arizona summer temperatures soar to one hundred and 333 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:49,879 Speaker 5: nine degrees. 334 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:55,439 Speaker 2: I learned a lot about this from a doctor that 335 00:19:55,640 --> 00:20:00,960 Speaker 2: actually got in a hot car and suffered to keep 336 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 2: people from leaving their pits in a car. 337 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:06,560 Speaker 7: Listen, I'm your pet, and I'm now in the car. 338 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 7: I've got all four windows cracked down about an inch. 339 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:13,400 Speaker 7: So let's start a timer and let's see exactly how 340 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 7: hot it gets in here. It's one hundred and six 341 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:20,119 Speaker 7: in here at ten minutes in, and I'm beginning to 342 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:23,400 Speaker 7: wonder if this was a very bad idea. Indeed, I'm 343 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 7: at fifteen minutes now and it's about one hundred and 344 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 7: ten in my car. Twenty five minutes. It's now, oh gosh, 345 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:39,199 Speaker 7: what is it? One hundred and thirteen degrees thirty minutes 346 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 7: in a parked car with a windows cracked. The temperature 347 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:51,119 Speaker 7: right now is about one fifteen one sixteen, really hot. 348 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:53,360 Speaker 7: The only thought that's going through my head right now 349 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 7: is I just I want out. 350 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:55,119 Speaker 1: Of the car. 351 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 2: You know. 352 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:59,640 Speaker 7: It's just everything in my body is saying, get out, 353 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:02,960 Speaker 7: get out, get out. I can just feel rivulets of 354 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:05,200 Speaker 7: sweat just careening down my body. 355 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 2: Doctor Kendall Crown is joining us. We're now Medical Examiner 356 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:12,880 Speaker 2: out of Fort Worth. Chief medical Examiner, Doctor Kendall Crown's again, 357 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. I'm trying to understand 358 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 2: I heard your explanation earlier of what happens when a 359 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:23,480 Speaker 2: person dies of hot card death. I understand the organs 360 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 2: start shutting down a little over when the body gets 361 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:31,679 Speaker 2: to a little over one hundred degrees. Death occurs, of 362 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:35,200 Speaker 2: course by one o seven one hundred and seven degrees. 363 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:42,639 Speaker 1: But what is heat stroke? Does the person? Does the 364 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 1: baby die of heat stroke? Whatever that is? 365 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:49,439 Speaker 2: Because it's got the word stroke in it, Why is 366 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 2: it heat stroke? Does your body respond to the heat 367 00:21:54,960 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 2: like it's having a stroke. And I'm trying to reconcile 368 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:05,159 Speaker 2: that doctor Kenel Craws with what I know about. I 369 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 2: hate to say his name because it just the baby 370 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 2: we spoke of earlier. 371 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 1: Whose. 372 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:17,679 Speaker 2: Back of his head was all scratched up and he 373 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 2: had been scratching at his neck. 374 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:26,399 Speaker 1: How does that fit in with your explanation? 375 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 14: So as you become more and more hot, you can 376 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:35,240 Speaker 14: become confused. People can start seizing, which would cause them 377 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 14: to maybe hit their head back. Also trying to get 378 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 14: out of the environment as well. You'll be clawing at 379 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:44,159 Speaker 14: whatever is restricting you. Even a baby is going to 380 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 14: try and get out of there if they can, so 381 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:49,400 Speaker 14: they'll be pulling at the seatbelt, etc. Or pounding their 382 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:52,480 Speaker 14: head on something, So it can be a seizure, it 383 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 14: could be them trying to get out of the restraints. 384 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 14: Any of those could result in the injuries that you're describing. 385 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 14: As far as the heat stroke question, it's basically, as 386 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:06,440 Speaker 14: your blood is being shunted to your skin surface to 387 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 14: try and cool you off, it's decreasing the amount of blood. 388 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:11,160 Speaker 6: You have and the rest of your body. 389 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 14: So it's not unlike a stroke or even can cause 390 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 14: a heart attack because you don't get enough oxygenated blood 391 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 14: to your brain and your heart, which can cause them 392 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 14: to shut down. But it's really more from the volume 393 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 14: shift of the blood to the skin surface instead of 394 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 14: it going to the organs that results in heart failure 395 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:30,680 Speaker 14: and kidney failure. 396 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 1: How long would it take to die in hot car, 397 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 1: doctor Kindall Crowns. 398 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 14: For an adult, it could be, you know, a lot 399 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:40,920 Speaker 14: longer than for a kid. The kids are get hotter 400 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 14: about three to five times faster than an adult, So 401 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 14: I would say in that hot environment under an hour. 402 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 14: For an infant, probably under thirty minutes. 403 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 2: You know, doctor Kindle Crowns. The other week was with 404 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:57,760 Speaker 2: my son. We went to a basketball game where he 405 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:02,159 Speaker 2: was playing and I was working, so he went ahead 406 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 2: in to warm up, and I sat in his truck 407 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,959 Speaker 2: with cargo with it going. The truck was going and 408 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:13,280 Speaker 2: continued to work, and I noticed it seemed like after 409 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 2: about twenty minutes that the car shut off, even though 410 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:20,120 Speaker 2: I had the keyfob, that the truck shut off, even 411 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 2: though I had the keyfob. I thought, well, it's not 412 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:24,159 Speaker 2: so hot in here, so I left it off and 413 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:29,240 Speaker 2: I kept working. After about ten minutes with the car 414 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:33,600 Speaker 2: with the truck off, it felt like I couldn't breathe. 415 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:36,879 Speaker 2: I reached over and turned it back on and turned 416 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 2: on the air conditioned back on. 417 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:40,160 Speaker 1: But what is that sensation? 418 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,119 Speaker 2: I know that there was air in the cab of 419 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:47,360 Speaker 2: the truck, but it felt like there wasn't any air. 420 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 1: It was stifling. 421 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,920 Speaker 14: It's again, as your body is reacting to the heat, 422 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,800 Speaker 14: your blood vessels are beginning to dilate, so the blood's 423 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:58,399 Speaker 14: coming to your skin surface to try and cool you off, 424 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 14: and that's shipping bood volumes, making you you consciously feel 425 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,879 Speaker 14: that there's something changed internally. It can make you feel 426 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,920 Speaker 14: like you're not being able to breathe, or you'll start 427 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,719 Speaker 14: getting a headache or getting dizzy. So any of that 428 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:15,399 Speaker 14: reaction you're having is your body's compensating for that heat, 429 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 14: and that's making you feel uncomfortable. So as an adult, 430 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 14: you know, you'll turn the car back on, you'll get 431 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:22,959 Speaker 14: out of the car, go somewhere cooler. But a kid 432 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:27,240 Speaker 14: or a baby who's trapped in their restraining device of 433 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 14: a car seat can't move, so they're feeling all that too, 434 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 14: but they can't get out of that environment, and no 435 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 14: one's coming. 436 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:33,800 Speaker 6: To help them. 437 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:37,359 Speaker 2: So this is what we know of what the dad 438 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:41,920 Speaker 2: in Parker's case said to investigators. 439 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:42,359 Speaker 1: Listen. 440 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 13: Chris Schultz tells investigators he got home around two thirty PM, 441 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 13: and since his daughter was asleep in the car, he 442 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 13: decides to let the car run with the air conditioner 443 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 13: on rather than wake her up and take her inside. 444 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,879 Speaker 13: Schultz says he got distracted putting away groceries and playing 445 00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:00,320 Speaker 13: video games. Schultz tells police he knows his I Create 446 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 13: MDX will run for around thirty minutes with the air 447 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:06,480 Speaker 13: conditioner operating before automatically shutting off. 448 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,680 Speaker 2: Joining me high profile defense attorney out of the Atlanta jurisdiction, 449 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:15,160 Speaker 2: Darryl Cohen. So why is he lying about the time 450 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 2: he got home? How do you explain that at trial, 451 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:19,119 Speaker 2: Darryl Cohen? 452 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 12: You explain it at trial, Nancy by saying. 453 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,960 Speaker 6: He wasn't lying. I am not lying. My client wasn't lying. 454 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 12: He believed that he got home at the time that 455 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:32,440 Speaker 12: he told everyone he did. The fact that the scientific 456 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:37,000 Speaker 12: evidence disagrees makes him not telling the truth, but it 457 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:41,399 Speaker 12: doesn't make him a liar. It doesn't also explain why 458 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,280 Speaker 12: he didn't go out and check on his child. But 459 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:47,360 Speaker 12: on the other hand, he knew the car was running, 460 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 12: he knew the air conditioning would be on for at 461 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 12: least thirty minutes, and in his mind, time just went 462 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,840 Speaker 12: by very quickly. I'm not a video game player, but 463 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:02,879 Speaker 12: as a game player, time just goes by more quickly 464 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:03,679 Speaker 12: than you can believe. 465 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,120 Speaker 2: Okay, so the baby's in the car, He's got two 466 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 2: other little children, miners, all under. 467 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 1: Ten, in the home, and he leaves the baby out there. 468 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:20,160 Speaker 2: And you're saying your defense would be time slips away. 469 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 1: Is that what you just said, Absolutely, Nancy. 470 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:26,240 Speaker 6: I was busy. I was taking the groceries, I being 471 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:31,280 Speaker 6: the defendant, the defendant was picking up the groceries. I'd stopped. 472 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,680 Speaker 12: I went and played a video game or two and 473 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:38,120 Speaker 12: I didn't realize how much time had gone by because. 474 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 6: I knew I did the right thing. I let her 475 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,919 Speaker 6: sleep and I kept the car running. 476 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 12: Oh my gosh. I love my daughter. I would never 477 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:49,880 Speaker 12: have let something happen to her. It's just an innocent mistake. 478 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:50,960 Speaker 12: Tournaments bad. 479 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:56,159 Speaker 5: He's an amazing father, a mummy defends dead in court 480 00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 5: after he leaves their two year old daughter to die 481 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:01,000 Speaker 5: a hot car. 482 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,200 Speaker 1: An amazing dad. Okay, I'm concerned. 483 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:07,679 Speaker 2: I get that the mom was begging the court for 484 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:09,520 Speaker 2: dad to be released. 485 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:14,440 Speaker 1: Say he's an amazing dad. But wait, listen to this. 486 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:18,400 Speaker 4: Chris and Erica Schultz have two older daughters, ages nine 487 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:22,720 Speaker 4: and five, and investigators conduct forensic interviews with them and 488 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:26,080 Speaker 4: find out that their father, Chris Schultz, leaves all three 489 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 4: of them in the car alone regularly. It is the 490 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:33,200 Speaker 4: children that tell investigators that during the time Parker was 491 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:37,400 Speaker 4: left in the car, their father was distracted quote playing 492 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 4: his game and putting his food away. 493 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,800 Speaker 1: Playing his game. What you know what? 494 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,920 Speaker 2: Let me go to Karen Stark on this first ale 495 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 2: to stress track, Is that correct he was playing PlayStation 496 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:50,600 Speaker 2: while the baby's out dying in the car. 497 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,680 Speaker 9: Yes, And the thing was he didn't con I didn't 498 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 9: say to the police, oh gosh, you know what, I 499 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:56,440 Speaker 9: really did come home a tall thirty. 500 00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:57,719 Speaker 10: The police investigated. 501 00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 9: They went door to door around this neighborhood and they 502 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 9: asked for video from people bring cameras or home security, 503 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 9: and that's when they saw him come in at one o'clock, 504 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 9: the full hour and a half, ninety minutes before he 505 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 9: said he came home, so they had to go to 506 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 9: the neighbors to find that out. He didn't offer anything, 507 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,520 Speaker 9: and the children are the ones that said, well, yeah, 508 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 9: daddy leaves us alone all the time. 509 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,840 Speaker 10: And mommy sent him a text. The two of them 510 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 10: were texting. 511 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 9: It's part of the police court records, and she's after 512 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:28,760 Speaker 9: it happened, she said, what is going on? 513 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,320 Speaker 10: I told you to stop leaving him them in the car. 514 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,479 Speaker 9: How many times have I told you this? This is 515 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 9: obviously a pattern with him. She knew that this was 516 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,040 Speaker 9: something that he did and she's asked to stop, and 517 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:41,240 Speaker 9: he just couldn't be bothered. 518 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:50,000 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. 519 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:57,840 Speaker 2: Karen started joining me renown psychologist, TV radio trauma expert 520 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:03,000 Speaker 2: at karenstart dot com. Karen, did you say earlier forgotten 521 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:04,480 Speaker 2: baby syndrome. 522 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:05,239 Speaker 1: Yes, I did. 523 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,240 Speaker 2: Oh no, are you what is this some kind of 524 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,960 Speaker 2: a defense that he had a syndrome where he has 525 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 2: some medical condition where he forgets the baby? 526 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:19,120 Speaker 1: No, no, no, not manly, you just did. Do you 527 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:24,080 Speaker 1: know what you just did? You opened Pandora's box? 528 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 2: Are you familiar with Roman and or Greek mythology where 529 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:32,760 Speaker 2: the Pandora's box is opened and all the evils of 530 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:37,400 Speaker 2: the universe come out and they haunt and taunt and 531 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:42,760 Speaker 2: destroy mankind from then on. You've just probably handed over 532 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:47,320 Speaker 2: a defense straight to defense attorneys all over the country. 533 00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:51,960 Speaker 2: Forgotten baby syndrome. Oh, that's what happened. Don't blame him. 534 00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:55,800 Speaker 2: It was forgotten baby syndrome. It's not an excuse, Nancy. 535 00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:59,960 Speaker 2: It's something that happens. But it doesn't mean that it's acceptable. 536 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:04,720 Speaker 15: Well, especially in this case, it's not acceptable because he 537 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:09,200 Speaker 15: had been warned. It's not like it never happened before 538 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,520 Speaker 15: he was told, don't leave them in the car. 539 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,000 Speaker 1: What is it? What's forgotten baby syndrome. 540 00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:19,000 Speaker 15: It's a syndrome that happens to parents when they happen 541 00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:23,680 Speaker 15: to be used to doing a certain routine. They always 542 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,320 Speaker 15: drop the baby off. They always go to work and 543 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:30,800 Speaker 15: something changes in the routine and they keep going on 544 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:35,000 Speaker 15: automatic pilots straight to what they normally do, and they. 545 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:36,840 Speaker 1: Actually forget the baby. 546 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:41,480 Speaker 15: And it's not excusable, but it does happen, and they 547 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 15: love their child, and the brain keeps going into what 548 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:50,400 Speaker 15: they're used to doing. It doesn't apply in this case 549 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:54,560 Speaker 15: because this man was not going to work, he was 550 00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:58,680 Speaker 15: not dropping off his child, and forgetting that he didn't 551 00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:02,040 Speaker 15: drop off the child. In this case, he was home 552 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:07,400 Speaker 15: with three children. He was putting away groceries and playing games, 553 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:11,200 Speaker 15: so there was no reason for him to forget that 554 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:14,320 Speaker 15: his child was in the car. He just got abdarped 555 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:17,080 Speaker 15: and the fun that he was having playing the game. 556 00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:20,080 Speaker 1: And I'm just trying to figure out is there some. 557 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:25,160 Speaker 2: Type of an addiction to playing games or is this 558 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:29,280 Speaker 2: some type of a release where you've been working all day? 559 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:33,680 Speaker 2: Because I find myself listening to a book on tape, 560 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:39,200 Speaker 2: or researching for crime stories, just all sorts of things, 561 00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:44,280 Speaker 2: and while I'm doing that, I'm not thinking about other matters. 562 00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:49,640 Speaker 2: But I don't do it research work while I'm taking 563 00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:51,080 Speaker 2: care of minor children. 564 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:55,160 Speaker 1: So is that some kind of a mind release playing 565 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:55,760 Speaker 1: the games? 566 00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:59,600 Speaker 15: Is, but it doesn't make sense to be doing that 567 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:03,280 Speaker 15: when you you are responsible for children. When you're responsible 568 00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:05,640 Speaker 15: for children, that is the first thing that should be 569 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:06,400 Speaker 15: in your mind. 570 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:10,160 Speaker 1: That was his job. His job was to take care 571 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:11,520 Speaker 1: of these three children. 572 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,600 Speaker 15: And he is an I hate to say, but this 573 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:18,400 Speaker 15: is the truth. He's an unfit parent. It's a use 574 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,680 Speaker 15: when you are not paying attention to the three children 575 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:22,560 Speaker 15: you have well. 576 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:23,960 Speaker 1: And there's more to it than that. 577 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:28,440 Speaker 2: There's more to it than just forgetting Amber Rollins is 578 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,400 Speaker 2: joining a special guest. She is the director of Kids 579 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:36,440 Speaker 2: in Car Safety at Kidsandcars dot org. Amber, you were 580 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:40,280 Speaker 2: telling us about an app that you put on your 581 00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:44,960 Speaker 2: phone that you hook up to your car. I write 582 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:48,000 Speaker 2: about something similar in my book Don't Be a Victim 583 00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:52,920 Speaker 2: Where there are censors now that when you get out 584 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,280 Speaker 2: of your car, if something sitting on a back seat, 585 00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:59,760 Speaker 2: it makes an alarm that should remind you, like the 586 00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:01,440 Speaker 2: day ding ding ding when you don't put on your 587 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,480 Speaker 2: seat belt, ding ding ding, you're leaving a child in 588 00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:08,200 Speaker 2: the back stat But tell me about that app you're describing. 589 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,160 Speaker 11: So one thing that hasn't been reported about this case 590 00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:13,840 Speaker 11: in any of the news articles, except for one that 591 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:17,560 Speaker 11: I've read is that the father knew that it had 592 00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:21,040 Speaker 11: this shut off, but he got a notification on his 593 00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:25,680 Speaker 11: phone through the app that the car was shutting off, 594 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,239 Speaker 11: and he reported that on that day he did not 595 00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:32,319 Speaker 11: get that reminder. And I just want to challenge this 596 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:37,240 Speaker 11: mindset that this father wasn't fit to be a parent. 597 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:40,719 Speaker 10: We don't have all the facts yet. 598 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:43,919 Speaker 11: They haven't released all of the facts in this case, 599 00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,600 Speaker 11: so we're working with what has been released right now. 600 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:50,759 Speaker 11: But this isn't unlike other cases that we've documented in 601 00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,759 Speaker 11: our Safety has been tracking this issue for thirty years. 602 00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:57,160 Speaker 11: I have read in gruesome detail each and every single 603 00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:02,280 Speaker 11: one of those cases. There are other cases you're similar 604 00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:06,080 Speaker 11: to this, where a well intentioned parent came home, left 605 00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:09,440 Speaker 11: a sleeping child in the car, went inside, unloaded groceries, 606 00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:13,800 Speaker 11: you know, got into a routine, much like these parents 607 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,839 Speaker 11: who were in a routine on autopilot mode driving from 608 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,880 Speaker 11: home to work. You know, I'm not descending this father, 609 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:22,080 Speaker 11: but I'm also not condemning him because we just don't 610 00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:23,760 Speaker 11: know what his intentions were. 611 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:25,920 Speaker 16: I'm just asking if you can allow him to come 612 00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,400 Speaker 16: home to us so we can all start the grieving process, 613 00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,719 Speaker 16: so that he can bury our daughter with us this 614 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,920 Speaker 16: upcoming week and that we can go through this process 615 00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:39,600 Speaker 16: together as a family. This was a big mistake, and 616 00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:44,640 Speaker 16: I think that this doesn't represent him, and I just 617 00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,520 Speaker 16: want the girls to see their father so that I don't. 618 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:48,919 Speaker 10: Have to tell them tonight that they're going to endure 619 00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:49,600 Speaker 10: another loss. 620 00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:53,560 Speaker 2: You are hearing doctor Erica Schultz. That's Christopher Schultz's wife, 621 00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,879 Speaker 2: the mother of baby Parker. That was from our friends at. 622 00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,160 Speaker 1: KVOA TV. 623 00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:03,880 Speaker 2: In court begging the court to allow her husband to 624 00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:04,399 Speaker 2: come home. 625 00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,800 Speaker 1: The family so distraught. 626 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:12,640 Speaker 2: And I agree partially with what Amber Rollins was saying 627 00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:17,120 Speaker 2: the director at Kidsincars dot org that you can have 628 00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:20,960 Speaker 2: a very well intentioned parent that leaves a child in 629 00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:28,080 Speaker 2: the car. Does that make the child's death any less painful? 630 00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:31,120 Speaker 2: Does that somehow bring the child back to life? No, 631 00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:34,960 Speaker 2: one may immediately regret the deed, but that does not 632 00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:39,360 Speaker 2: negate the intent or frame of mind at the time 633 00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:43,799 Speaker 2: of the incident. And I am reciting to you verbatim 634 00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:47,359 Speaker 2: the black and white letter of the law. Remember, one 635 00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:53,160 Speaker 2: may immediately regret the deed, that does not change the 636 00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,360 Speaker 2: facts at the time of the incident. 637 00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:58,120 Speaker 1: You may not like it, you might feel. 638 00:36:57,880 --> 00:36:59,839 Speaker 2: Sorry for the dad and the mom in a way 639 00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:05,279 Speaker 2: I do, but my responsibility and has always been, is 640 00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:11,560 Speaker 2: to the crime victim. The child is dead, she suffered 641 00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:13,280 Speaker 2: a horrible death. 642 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:15,640 Speaker 1: Did he mean to do it? Of course not. 643 00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:20,000 Speaker 2: I don't think there's any scenario in which he meant 644 00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:21,880 Speaker 2: for his child to die. 645 00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:23,560 Speaker 1: This is akin to. 646 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:28,960 Speaker 2: Driving a car at ninety mph through let's just say 647 00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:32,560 Speaker 2: a street market and four or five people getting mowed 648 00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:37,160 Speaker 2: down dead. You didn't mean to you didn't even know them. 649 00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:41,200 Speaker 2: But it is an abandoned, malignant heart, as it is 650 00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:44,960 Speaker 2: called in the law, a disregard for human life. And 651 00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:46,279 Speaker 2: it's not the first time. 652 00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:49,960 Speaker 4: Listen in a sweltering Hollywood, Florida Walmart parking lot on 653 00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:54,040 Speaker 4: Sunday afternoon, a five year old child is screaming from 654 00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:57,120 Speaker 4: the slightly cracked window in a hot car. 655 00:37:57,560 --> 00:37:59,239 Speaker 1: Mommy leaves her child. 656 00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:02,960 Speaker 4: Inside the audy with no ac while she shops inside. 657 00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:08,600 Speaker 4: CCTV shows thirty four year old Anastasia Multilava shopping while 658 00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:12,520 Speaker 4: her child's trapped in the car. She's arrested and facing 659 00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:14,440 Speaker 4: charges of felony child neglect. 660 00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:19,279 Speaker 2: That child lived, You were hearing Nicole Parton from Crime 661 00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:24,160 Speaker 2: Online dot com and of course, West Memphis listen. 662 00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:28,040 Speaker 8: West Memphis, Tennessee. Employees of a cent Children's Health Services 663 00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:30,799 Speaker 8: failed to do the most basic part of their job, 664 00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:34,080 Speaker 8: count children in and out of the van and taking 665 00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:37,839 Speaker 8: roll call inside. Four employees claim they did their job 666 00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,239 Speaker 8: the day, five year old Christopher Gardner is left in 667 00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:43,439 Speaker 8: a van all day, strapped into a booster seat for 668 00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:46,799 Speaker 8: eight hours. The todd was marked present in class while 669 00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,040 Speaker 8: he was actually trapped in the van trying to take 670 00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:51,600 Speaker 8: off his clothes to cool down. When a worker went 671 00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:53,960 Speaker 8: to the van to take the children home, five year 672 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:55,719 Speaker 8: old Christopher was found dead. 673 00:38:55,840 --> 00:39:03,120 Speaker 2: And there you have daycare workers, and they made the mistake, 674 00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:06,040 Speaker 2: the fatal mistake of leaving a child strapped in a 675 00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:11,080 Speaker 2: hot car. Intentions do they matter? What we know is 676 00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:16,200 Speaker 2: that this child suffered a horrible death. We know that 677 00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:19,640 Speaker 2: the mother, a well known doctor in the area, begged 678 00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:23,719 Speaker 2: for the husband to be let out of jail and 679 00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:27,920 Speaker 2: not stay behind bars. Alexis Teresschuk was her request granted? 680 00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:28,480 Speaker 4: It was? 681 00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:28,799 Speaker 7: Yes. 682 00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:32,680 Speaker 2: The judge did grant that everyone hot car deaths happen. 683 00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:36,719 Speaker 2: If you have questions, dial one eight hundred four two 684 00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:41,600 Speaker 2: two four four five three. If you really care about 685 00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:46,600 Speaker 2: your minor children. Look into the app that would save 686 00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:50,719 Speaker 2: your child from a hot car death that we were 687 00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:56,360 Speaker 2: hearing about from our guest, Amber Rawlins. Go to kidsincars 688 00:39:56,680 --> 00:40:02,520 Speaker 2: dot org and save your child. Pass it on as 689 00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:09,120 Speaker 2: temperatures increase outside. We can stop the deaths of children 690 00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:17,360 Speaker 2: all across our country. Nancy Grace signing off, goodbye friend.