1 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:06,760 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. 2 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:17,799 Speaker 2: I'm welcome to Stefan. I ever told your production of iHeartRadio, 3 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 2: and today we are coming at you with a timely episode. 4 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 2: So today's October third, twenty twenty three, just to put 5 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 2: that out there, and we're talking about what's going on 6 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 2: with Joe Jonas and Sophie Turner and their divorce. It's 7 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 2: funny because I had told Samantha before, I was like, 8 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:43,919 Speaker 2: we should do not an entertainment topic because we've done 9 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:45,560 Speaker 2: so many entertainment topics. 10 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, but I was like, you know, what's going on, 11 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 3: and we needed to be talking about all these things 12 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:51,159 Speaker 3: because it has so many good connections to what we've 13 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 3: talked about previously, whether it was just us or talking 14 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 3: with Bridget, Like, there's so much about what we're going 15 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 3: to go into with like social media and the power 16 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 3: of social media now in like how to turn public 17 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 3: opinion because of social media. 18 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 1: Yes, and it's changing and I love this change. 19 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 2: Yes, you originally brought this to my attention because I'm 20 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:11,839 Speaker 2: sort of about at the loop and a lot of things, 21 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 2: So I appreciate when you do give bring these things 22 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 2: to my attention. But a good friend of the show. 23 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 2: A good friend of ours, Marissa also texted and was 24 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 2: quite funny. 25 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 3: I think the day of that says something to you 26 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 3: about it and like we need to do this. Two 27 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 3: days later we got that text and I was like, yeah, 28 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 3: of course she's also she and I are pretty much 29 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:31,960 Speaker 3: on the same way Lee when it comes to like 30 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:35,319 Speaker 3: celebrity and social media and interest in general. 31 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:38,959 Speaker 2: I'm assuming your tiktoks have some differences, but a lot 32 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 2: of similarity. 33 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 1: A lot of similarities. 34 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 2: Probably, yes, yes, And it was interesting for me because 35 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 2: I don't I knew nothing about this. It does touch 36 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 2: on a lot of stuff we've talked about, and I 37 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 2: would say that we're talking more about the PR and 38 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 2: the massage behind the PR and how in this case 39 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 2: it backfired, as you say, and how like social media, 40 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 2: how we've changed in a case like this, and related 41 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 2: to that, I would say, yes, you can see the 42 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:15,640 Speaker 2: episode that we did with bridget about some recent high 43 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:20,240 Speaker 2: profile cases of celebrity couples breaking up. Our episode on 44 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 2: Amber Heard and Johnny Depp came up a lot. I 45 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 2: mean the episode didn't, but the topic came up a 46 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 2: lot in this research. And then Britney Spears the one 47 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 2: we did about Britney Spears and nineties. Misogyny came up 48 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 2: a lot, So it does connect to quite a bit, 49 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 2: which is why we're going to talk about it. So 50 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:44,119 Speaker 2: if you're like me and you really don't know what's 51 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:46,080 Speaker 2: going on, didn't know what was going on, here's a 52 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 2: very brief history. In September of this year, twenty twenty three, 53 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 2: A Joe Jonahs filed four divorce from actress Sophie Turner 54 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 2: after four years of marriage, which she apparently found out 55 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:01,919 Speaker 2: about after an argument they had and she found out 56 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 2: about it via social media. Though Jonas's people deny this, 57 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 2: The filing claimed that their marriage was irretrievedly broken and 58 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 2: because they are very public figures, all of these theories 59 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 2: started flying about why they were splitting. So they met 60 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 2: in twenty sixteen, when, according to Rolling Stone, Jonas slid 61 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:26,360 Speaker 2: into Turner's dms, uh see how far I've come. She 62 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 2: was nineteen at the time. I think there's a seven 63 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 2: year age gap between them, so he's seven years older 64 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 2: something like that, and they made their relationship Instagram official 65 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 2: on New Year's Day twenty seventeen. They adopted a dog 66 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 2: together and in September and then announced that they were engaged 67 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 2: in October of twenty seventeen. They got married in Vegas 68 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 2: in May twenty nineteen. I think it was a part 69 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 2: of the Billboard Awards, and then again at something more 70 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 2: extravagant in France in June twenty nineteen. They had their 71 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 2: first child in twenty twenty one, and their second in 72 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 2: twenty twenty two. But okay, so soon after the filing 73 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 2: of the divorce, the couple posted a joint statement on 74 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 2: Instagram that read, after four wonderful years of marriage, we 75 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 2: have mutually decided to amicably end our marriage. There are 76 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:17,159 Speaker 2: many speculative narratives as to why, but truly this is 77 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 2: a united decision and we sincerely hope that everyone can 78 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 2: respect our wishes for privacy for us and our children. 79 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 2: Soon after that, Jonas alluded to the divorce at a 80 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:32,359 Speaker 2: Jonas Brother's show before singing a song that was inspired 81 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 2: by Turner. Basically, he was like, if you didn't hear 82 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 2: it from these lips, it's not true. More about that later. 83 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 2: Soon after that, Turner had a girl's night out with 84 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:45,599 Speaker 2: Taylor Swift. I did not know that Taylor's Wift Jonas 85 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 2: had dated, and he broke up with her for a 86 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 2: twenty seven second phone call. 87 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, that was real infamous. 88 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 2: I did not know about this. 89 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 3: Guess several songs about him, including talking about how he's 90 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:00,120 Speaker 3: plays the nice guy and has to be mister always right. 91 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I'm learning so much. So on September 92 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:12,479 Speaker 2: twenty first, Turner sued Jonas, asking that their children be 93 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 2: returned to their permanent residence in England and alleging that 94 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 2: they had been quote wrongfully removed or wrongfully detained. Jonas 95 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:24,039 Speaker 2: refuses to return the passports to Turner and refuses to 96 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 2: send the children home to England. The lawsuit also claimed 97 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 2: that the pair had agreed to spend some time with 98 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:33,600 Speaker 2: the children in the US, so Jonas could spend some 99 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 2: time with them while he was on tour because he 100 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 2: had quote periods of the day to spend time with 101 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 2: the children. Okay, so less than a week later via 102 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 2: the rolling Stone quote, the mother and father are prohibited 103 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 2: from removing their two children are WRJ born in twenty 104 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 2: twenty and DMJ born in twenty twenty two. Collectively, the 105 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 2: children are causing the children to be removed from the 106 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 2: jurisdictions at the United States District courts. For the Southern 107 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:03,719 Speaker 2: and Eastern Districts of New York, pending further order of 108 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 2: this Court. The entim consent order reads through the order, 109 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:11,360 Speaker 2: the Court retains the authority to quote, take, or cause 110 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 2: to be taken measures under federal or state law as 111 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:17,360 Speaker 2: appropriate to protect the well being of the child involved, 112 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 2: or to prevent the child's further removal or concealment before 113 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 2: the final disposition of the petition. So there's actually a 114 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 2: lot of like law stuff that's happening here because originally 115 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:32,719 Speaker 2: the divorce filing was in Miami, and that was part 116 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 2: of what this lawsuit that Turner filed was saying was 117 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:41,480 Speaker 2: that that doesn't make sense because we had all these 118 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 2: other things and she sort of bought the receipts in 119 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 2: terms of what he had said in their living situation. 120 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 2: But I'm not going to go too much into that, 121 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 2: but just to say it is messy. Jonases can't release 122 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 2: this statement. His wish is that Sophie reconsider her harsh 123 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 2: legal position and move forward in a more constrictive and 124 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 2: private manner. His only concern is the well being of 125 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 2: his children. 126 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 1: Which is funny. 127 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 3: I know we've been going to it in a minute 128 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 3: because the only things for the longest time that have 129 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 3: been noted have always all been for like Joe, Jodahs 130 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 3: being the good guy, all these things. It's interesting, like 131 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 3: how quickly things came out, but all about Joe being 132 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 3: this person and that person. Immediately we see pictures of 133 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 3: him with the kids, as if that's all he cares about, 134 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 3: and you're like, wait, and this whole idea that Sophie 135 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 3: just doesn't care when in actuality he has started to 136 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 3: act again after a long period of hiatus from that 137 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 3: because she did have children, she was being there. 138 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 1: With the kids. 139 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 2: But it's interesting, it is interesting, and it's also interesting 140 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 2: because we're going to talk about this too. He's the 141 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 2: one his team at least is the one that's releasing 142 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 2: all of this stuff. So for him to be. 143 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 3: A confirmed though I don't know if that's been confirmed. 144 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 3: That's the ag like that's being what's being alleged because 145 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 3: like tmc' is being overly respectful when they're never disrespectful, 146 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 3: So they're alleging that that that's it is from this team, 147 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 3: but no one really knows for sure. 148 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 2: Right but there's nothing she has said. She has released 149 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 2: the wrong statement with him joint statement. 150 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 1: There's a couple of things that they think, maybe because 151 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 1: I think we're gonna get into the ring video, the 152 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 1: ring cam video, but like literally. 153 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 3: Soon was like there's nothing being said except for she 154 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 3: just kind of trash talked him for a minute. And 155 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:45,680 Speaker 3: who doesn't trash talk their partner a little bit, I. 156 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 1: Give big eyes. 157 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 3: But yeah, like there's a lot like that might be 158 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 3: from the camp. And then her just hanging out with 159 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 3: Taylor Swift alone, that is quite a scandal. Like she 160 00:08:57,520 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 3: was just at a football game with Taylor Swift, uh 161 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:04,679 Speaker 3: this weekend and a lot of people and Ryan Reynolds 162 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 3: and all of. 163 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 1: Them were there, all the Swifty gangs where they are. 164 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 3: But it's just like everybody took that as like a battle. 165 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:14,839 Speaker 2: I mean, it's a move. But she hasn't, Like she 166 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 2: for him to say, like, yeah, I wish they would 167 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:20,319 Speaker 2: not keep saying these statements, it's. 168 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:22,439 Speaker 1: Like, right, she hasn't. The only thing she's really done 169 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:23,719 Speaker 1: is through legal uh. 170 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 3: And again that has to do with and yeah just 171 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 3: just when it comes to international, oh that's a whole 172 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 3: other bridge. 173 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 1: Uh. 174 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:35,320 Speaker 3: And conveniently, he was smart and I hate to say 175 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:38,320 Speaker 3: this as a strategy that he waited to file uh 176 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 3: while he was in the US with the kids, because 177 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:44,599 Speaker 3: they do have an guessing they do have dual citizenship. 178 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:49,680 Speaker 1: I couldn't imagine Sophie, not like I know them. 179 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 3: Not going head forward with that giving them a dual 180 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:55,560 Speaker 3: citizenship so that that it does lean towards an American 181 00:09:55,600 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 3: standard versus a UK standard, which would have been both 182 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 3: of them are very maternal and we've talked about this, 183 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:04,960 Speaker 3: like when it comes to who they side with, but 184 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 3: they're going to work with who remains where first, so 185 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 3: they're going to try to keep them in state. 186 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:11,960 Speaker 1: So it's as a whole move he. 187 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 2: Did it is I think you've touched on a point 188 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 2: that I do want to, like, really make clear we 189 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 2: don't know them. We don't know celebrities, we don't know 190 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 2: what's going on. 191 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 1: I don't know them a lot to be friends with. 192 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 2: She's very cool, she does, but we don't know them. 193 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 2: But I think that's more what I wanted to talk 194 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 2: about what you were saying when you first suggested this 195 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 2: is the pr spin of it and the change in 196 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 2: the reaction of it, because it really did backfire from 197 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 2: Joe Jonas's side where it once would have worked really 198 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 2: really well, uh, to the. 199 00:10:57,120 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 1: Point like it did for a while. 200 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, And to the point though, like when I 201 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 2: mentioned earlier when he said, like, if you didn't hear 202 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 2: it from my lips, it's not true. That was because 203 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 2: it had backfired so badly, right, and he was trying 204 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 2: to be like, that's not me, which I don't know, 205 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 2: but he. 206 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:18,440 Speaker 1: Tried us before with Demi Levado. 207 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:21,359 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, he stated. 208 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 3: So kind of this whole like Selena Gomez and Demmy 209 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:30,679 Speaker 3: and Taylor, like has everything to do with it, has 210 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:34,320 Speaker 3: something to do with like Jojonas, it's the whole thing, 211 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:37,840 Speaker 3: a lot of drama. 212 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:43,320 Speaker 2: Wow, I didn't know. I didn't know. But yes, let 213 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 2: us talk about this PR stuff. So that is one 214 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 2: of the big reasons we wanted to talk about it, 215 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:53,320 Speaker 2: because the court of public opinion, when we're looking at celebrities, 216 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 2: it can feel very superficial. I've said before many times 217 00:11:57,160 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 2: I feel odd talking about it, but it is important 218 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 2: inter it shows kind of the societal where we are 219 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 2: when we're thinking about certain tropes or certain stereotypes or 220 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 2: certain things, and in this case, very gendered, how we 221 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:15,720 Speaker 2: feel about women and how the role women play in 222 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 2: relationships and this did show that at least somewhat it 223 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:24,680 Speaker 2: has changed, even if the PR camp behind this whole 224 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:28,080 Speaker 2: thing apparently did not think so. And that's it's interesting 225 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 2: because when big celebrities get divorced, there's this like the 226 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 2: PR spin of how do we make them look good? 227 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:38,079 Speaker 2: So there's a lot of thought behind it, there's a 228 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 2: lot of calculation behind it. And the calculation behind this 229 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 2: one was apparently, let's make Sophie Turner look like she's 230 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 2: a bad mom. So when tmz at first reported the 231 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 2: couple was going to divorce, they included quotes from anonymous 232 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 2: sources claiming Jonas was taking care of their children quote 233 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 2: pretty much all of the time while he was touring. 234 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 2: A source with direct knowledge said she likes to party, 235 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:05,840 Speaker 2: he likes to stay at home. Several publications took this 236 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 2: quote and amplified it, publishing stories with it coupled with 237 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 2: images of her dancing or drinking. The Daily Mail published 238 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 2: a story that read she had partied without a care 239 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 2: in the world just days before Joe Jonas divorce, at 240 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:23,440 Speaker 2: a rap party for show she had just finished filming 241 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:27,439 Speaker 2: in the UK. There were also rumors that Jonas had 242 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 2: seen something as you had alluded to Samantha via ring 243 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 2: camera that led to the divorce, implying cheating or bad parenting, 244 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 2: but nothing ever came of it. 245 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 3: It was just like believe it right, literally, and supposedly 246 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 3: it was from his own camp that said she just 247 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 3: badmouthed them. Essentially, they were not in a good place. 248 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:47,680 Speaker 3: And it's been a minute as they were not in 249 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 3: good place, which is also why I'm the kick calculated 250 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:54,320 Speaker 3: everything to try to make her and that the evil 251 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:57,440 Speaker 3: mom who doesn't care about kids, which could have worked 252 00:13:57,640 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 3: had we not all seen like the pandemicos of her 253 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 3: saying I'd rather stay home Joe wants to go out, 254 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 3: and it's like you could tell it was a like 255 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:07,840 Speaker 3: a moment of contention between the two of them. She's like, yeah, 256 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 3: I'd just rather be here, and they're joking like that 257 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 3: and he's like yeah, and they're like, this doesn't make 258 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 3: any sense, which I know we're gonna come back to. 259 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 3: But yeah, on top of that, the fact that she 260 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 3: has been working so hard, she has been working so 261 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 3: hard to keep identity, the identity of the children away 262 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 3: from the public eye, and he just openly, like, to 263 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 3: his credit, I guess he bargained. And again this is 264 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 3: assumptions and like this has not been verified to cut 265 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 3: to hide the faces of the children doing some of 266 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 3: these pictures, but the fact that they was published in 267 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 3: the first places suspect. 268 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we are going to talk about that because 269 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 2: there aren't pictures of them. That has been very important. 270 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 1: In fact, are their names. 271 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, until recently, until this, we didn't know their names. 272 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:56,960 Speaker 2: And so the fact that this picture came out like 273 00:14:57,040 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 2: soon after he announced this is very like, hmm, that's calculated, 274 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 2: right right. 275 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 3: Again, like you can tell this was a bargaining situation 276 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 3: of like, yeah, you can have the kids while I'm 277 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 3: filming because it's a whole lot, so go ahead and 278 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 3: do that. And then he did all the things while 279 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 3: she was gone, which is supposedly his IMO. 280 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 1: This is the third relationship that's opened up about how 281 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 1: he does this. 282 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, which again as news to me, but yeah, you're welcome, 283 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 2: thank you. So here's a quote from Bogue, and this 284 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 2: was quoting a source. They have very different lifestyles. A 285 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 2: source told TMC it's an interesting strategy to lightly tinker 286 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 2: on keys of absent motherhood, broadly painting Turner's alleged over 287 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 2: partying as a hindrance to fully serving the domestic needs 288 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 2: of her family. From an outsider's point of view, team 289 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 2: Jonas is throwing a careless mother narrative at proceedings and 290 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 2: seeing if it sticks, sowing seeds of his wife being 291 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 2: a less than gold star parent. Nobody's saying out while 292 00:15:56,920 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 2: she's said part. It's just heavily, heavily insinuated that her 293 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 2: liking to go out clashes with his home body status. 294 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 2: It's very read between the lines. Please, she is not 295 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 2: mothering an unacceptable standard. And then from ABC, multiple tabloids, 296 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 2: including TMZ in The Daily Mail cited anonymous sources characterizing 297 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 2: Turner as a partygoer who felt trapped in her marriage 298 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 2: and wanted to live out her youth. Meanwhile, Jonas was 299 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 2: painted as a dutiful father, solely caring for their two 300 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 2: young children, even as his family band, The Jonas Brothers, 301 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 2: is on tour. So that was heard of the early 302 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 2: take that was happening. But then, not long after these 303 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 2: misogynistic takes had been published, a lot of other publications 304 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 2: and a lot of people on social media called it out. 305 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 2: Whereas once a lot of us would have just kind 306 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 2: of nodded along and accepted the narrative. They called out 307 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 2: how he was trying to paint her as a bad 308 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 2: mom when he never said anything previously about it. It 309 00:16:57,880 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 2: had never been an issue before. Soothing TikTokers even found 310 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:06,520 Speaker 2: a video they made together where they said she was 311 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:09,119 Speaker 2: the home body of the relationship. And there's a clip 312 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 2: from Conan O'Brien where she said he she was the introvert, 313 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 2: he was the social butterfly and quote, I struggled to 314 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 2: lock him down and just spend time with me, right, Yeah, 315 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:21,200 Speaker 2: that's twenty twenty, I think she said. 316 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 1: Mm hmmmm, it's all suspect. 317 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:29,680 Speaker 3: It's a little suspect, of course, like a big turn 318 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:32,200 Speaker 3: of phrase. Of course, it's that she's the Queen of 319 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 3: the North, yes, and that I love those memes. 320 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, we could have supposed to be like for her. 321 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:41,359 Speaker 3: I mean, I know, this is an amazingly like traumatic 322 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:43,439 Speaker 3: moment for her. So many bad things. This is her 323 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 3: first big relationship. It was published. You know, she has 324 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 3: two kids at a really young age, like she settled 325 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 3: down very young. There's a lot of like I remember 326 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:53,879 Speaker 3: thinking when they were dating, like they're cute, but hmmm, 327 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:57,160 Speaker 3: how quickly he jumped on her when she turned quote 328 00:17:57,200 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 3: unquote legal, which is still grossed me. But like if 329 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 3: they consenting adults and seem happy whatever whatnot to that level, 330 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:07,119 Speaker 3: Like I've seen worst age gaps, hello Leonardo DiCaprio, But 331 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 3: like to see that you have all of these like 332 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 3: clips where you are a powerhouse woman and that being 333 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:17,400 Speaker 3: used in your defense by fans, that's gonna be empowering 334 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 3: in itself. 335 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:21,919 Speaker 2: Right right right. I saw a lot of like she 336 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:25,440 Speaker 2: brought the receipts like the fans and you can't pull 337 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:28,359 Speaker 2: this anymore proof, Like I. 338 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:31,240 Speaker 3: Don't know, I think ever since we've watched all the 339 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 3: fall aparts and you know, even with like the Brad 340 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 3: Pitt Angelina Jolie when it first began, really painted her 341 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:41,119 Speaker 3: as like a witch and like overprotective mative flies. And 342 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 3: then you turn and see, oh, he got charged by 343 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 3: people for the best violence. 344 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 1: None of us because want anything to do with him. 345 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 1: All of these things are. 346 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 3: Really gross and people are slowly like sorry, Angelina. Those 347 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:54,000 Speaker 3: people were still bitter about the Jennifer Aniston thing, but 348 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 3: that's a whole different conversation. But you know, since then 349 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:00,640 Speaker 3: things has started to turn as well as the Britney 350 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 3: Spears recent divorce. He tried to paint her, he tried 351 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 3: to use the old tactics, and people are not buying 352 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:06,120 Speaker 3: it as much. 353 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:09,600 Speaker 2: No, no, they're not. And that did come up a 354 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 2: lot in this about the comparison of what happened with 355 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:16,959 Speaker 2: Britney Spears and justin Timberlake to what's happening now. But 356 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:20,439 Speaker 2: also like that he apologized in twenty twenty one. 357 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:23,640 Speaker 1: Right barely, yeah, like very. 358 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 3: Barely, very barely, after he got called out so many 359 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:29,120 Speaker 3: times all the things that he's done because he kept 360 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 3: making statements. 361 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 2: Yep, sure did, but it does seem like things have 362 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 2: changed at least a little bit. So Sonny Austin Houston 363 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 2: at the View called out this narrative. She said, what 364 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:45,680 Speaker 2: I don't like about the spin lately is that he's 365 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 2: taking care of the kids. I'm sorry, is this immaculate conception? 366 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 2: There are his freaking kids too, So what he's taking 367 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 2: care of the kids? Does he get a gold star? 368 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:58,119 Speaker 2: And then another host on the show said, at the 369 00:19:58,200 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 2: end of the day, we don't know what's going on 370 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:03,240 Speaker 2: between them or what's happening. Sarah Hayes replied, I think 371 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:05,879 Speaker 2: the spin of this that bothers me is she's working, 372 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:09,920 Speaker 2: he's working. These weren't new careers. They met on these terms. 373 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:12,480 Speaker 2: She's at a rap party for a show she did. 374 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:16,359 Speaker 2: We have rap parties here. You celebrate the end really fun. 375 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:19,120 Speaker 2: So that isn't just a bar that she's out hanging 376 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:21,199 Speaker 2: out at. She happens to be with her colleagues at 377 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 2: a bar celebrating the end of a series. We don't 378 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:25,240 Speaker 2: know if the other times the kids are with her 379 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:27,240 Speaker 2: or if she can have the kids with her. 380 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:30,720 Speaker 3: And you know, there was actually speaking of the TikTok videos, 381 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 3: and I love that I'm going into this over the 382 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 3: fact that we're actually talking about the misogynists, Like. 383 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 1: Let me tell you the gossip. Let me tell you 384 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:37,280 Speaker 1: the gossip. 385 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:40,200 Speaker 3: Essentially, there was a dude in one of the pictures 386 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 3: with Sophie and like what, she's holding a drink and 387 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 3: like that was what they posted, Like she's flirting with men, 388 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 3: Like that was the implication. 389 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 1: She's flirting with other. 390 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:50,920 Speaker 3: Men and there are these things and he comes out 391 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 3: he's like, nah, she's not my interest. First of all, 392 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:54,680 Speaker 3: that's the first time I ever met her. By the way, 393 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:57,400 Speaker 3: she only had two drinks at most she was never 394 00:20:57,400 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 3: infuscated at any point in time. 395 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 1: You could tell she was there to gratulate everybody. 396 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:03,440 Speaker 3: There was nothing. He's like, I barely talked to this woman, 397 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:05,640 Speaker 3: but y'all want to. But people want try to make 398 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 3: this a bad thing. I wasn't there with her. I 399 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:09,879 Speaker 3: barely talked to her. Like we got a picture like 400 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:11,879 Speaker 3: he was doing this whole thing where he got mad 401 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:14,920 Speaker 3: because the kind of got wrapped up into being accused 402 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:17,640 Speaker 3: of like flirting with her, her flirting with him, which 403 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:20,239 Speaker 3: was not the case at all. So that entire thing 404 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:21,920 Speaker 3: was like people from the rap party are like, what 405 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 3: are you doing, dude? This was literally a job, Like 406 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 3: we had to do this as part of our job. 407 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 3: Of course, it's nice to be you and I have 408 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:32,200 Speaker 3: gone through many a meetings Annie where we sit and 409 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:34,479 Speaker 3: drink and just like it's a together thing, but it's 410 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 3: also a work thing where we can actually celebrate or 411 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:39,119 Speaker 3: talk through anything that had we had issues with it 412 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 3: or whatever. So I'm like, wow, they really did try 413 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:42,960 Speaker 3: to change to the thing and no one was going 414 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:45,280 Speaker 3: to say a word, right, And. 415 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:47,200 Speaker 2: I mean that's the thing. It is like a celebratory 416 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:50,960 Speaker 2: thing and it is a work thing, like it can 417 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:53,720 Speaker 2: be strange to think of it that way, but a 418 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:55,719 Speaker 2: lot of times, for a lot of us, you do 419 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:58,040 Speaker 2: have these parties. You go to the holiday party at 420 00:21:58,040 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 2: the end of the year that maybe you don't want 421 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 2: to go to, but it's it's important for work that 422 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:01,159 Speaker 2: you go to. 423 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 3: Like it's and again, like, I love that we're talking 424 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:07,600 Speaker 3: about the celebrities as if a majority, if not all, 425 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 3: celebrities and people who have enough wealth don't have nannies, 426 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:14,439 Speaker 3: and most of them have live in nanny's, so like 427 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 3: pretending like there would be nobody to care for them, 428 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:18,480 Speaker 3: it's kind of like a nod Like right. 429 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 2: I thought that to you. I was like, I'm sure 430 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 2: someone is taking care of these kids. 431 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 3: Sing like we saw a nanny with Joe Jonahs. How 432 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:32,119 Speaker 3: come coundn't handle two kids by himself? Yeah right, I mean, 433 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 3: come on, come on, just saying. 434 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:41,399 Speaker 2: Just saying. So, here's a quote from Glamour. Given all 435 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:44,200 Speaker 2: the tabloid drama against her, I wouldn't have been surprised 436 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 2: to learn that women and the internet were collectively turning 437 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:49,640 Speaker 2: on Turner, calling her a bad mom, a party girl, 438 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:54,639 Speaker 2: or worse. Instead, a strange and beautiful thing has been happening. People, 439 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 2: especially women, have seen through the attacks and rallied around 440 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 2: Turner and Droves and her comments on Instagram and elsewhere online. 441 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 3: You know, I think there's a big part in which 442 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:09,199 Speaker 3: enough women have gone through divorce. Yeah, enough people have 443 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:12,880 Speaker 3: seen the ugliness of divorce, and enough people have seen 444 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 3: it on like social media too much. Other than calling 445 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 3: people out what it was that women are like, are 446 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 3: just people in generally do we really think this this 447 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:24,679 Speaker 3: is working? This is going a little too hard? And 448 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:27,200 Speaker 3: that was the other part is like you're trying too hard? 449 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:28,479 Speaker 3: What are you covering up? 450 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 1: Bruh. 451 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:32,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a lot of the things I read, which 452 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:34,119 Speaker 2: I'm sure you saw because they were mostly from TikTok, 453 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 2: But there are pr experts who were saying, like silence 454 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 2: was more powerful in this case, he should have just 455 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:42,200 Speaker 2: not said anything, and then who knows what would have happened. 456 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:44,199 Speaker 3: I think like if you had just left it alone 457 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 3: with they're going through a divorce and the amicable thing, 458 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,719 Speaker 3: and then maybe even like saying, you know, some issues 459 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 3: have arisen. There was a video, if you had left 460 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:58,080 Speaker 3: that alone instead of saying she's gone partying, she's done this, 461 00:23:58,720 --> 00:23:59,120 Speaker 3: They're like. 462 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:02,640 Speaker 1: You protest too much. 463 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 2: Shakespeare. 464 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 1: That's not a quote, but. 465 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:12,120 Speaker 2: We got it. 466 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:12,880 Speaker 1: We got it. 467 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 2: I did find it really interesting that a lot of 468 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:29,479 Speaker 2: people rallied around her and pointed out that she had 469 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 2: been so young. So a lot of people it really 470 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:37,679 Speaker 2: resonated with a lot of women or mothers that Turner 471 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:41,159 Speaker 2: is somehow doing something wrong by having a life that 472 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:44,640 Speaker 2: occasionally takes her away from her children. And they really 473 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,919 Speaker 2: understood that feeling of being judged for that. So a 474 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,520 Speaker 2: lot of the comments reflected that. But here are some examples. 475 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 2: Enjoy the rest of your twenties and start a new 476 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:56,359 Speaker 2: chapter knowing you gave love ago. All the best to 477 00:24:56,400 --> 00:25:00,400 Speaker 2: you and your kids, Sophie wrote somebody on Instagram other one, 478 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:03,680 Speaker 2: I'm sorry that such a sensitive personal matter of yours 479 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 2: is so public. I hope you can attempt resilience and 480 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 2: find solace in the fact that women are so much 481 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:10,679 Speaker 2: more than their mother title, and a lot of us 482 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 2: moms and women are like sympathize with you against nasty 483 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:19,320 Speaker 2: narratives being pushed. I really hope you're doing okay. 484 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:23,360 Speaker 3: You know, like there's this kind of that conversation in 485 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:26,200 Speaker 3: general when it comes to men who want to have children, 486 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:28,439 Speaker 3: and they feel like they can suck to settle and 487 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 3: so therefore they go for younger women who can who 488 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 3: are in prime childbirth giving times, I guess, which is 489 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:39,879 Speaker 3: a whole different conversation. But like, you know, Chris Evans 490 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 3: is a great example right now who everybody was like, 491 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:46,359 Speaker 3: oh my god, he's finally, you know, settling down and 492 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:50,160 Speaker 3: it's a pretty young woman. And in his whole reasoning 493 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 3: for settled now, it's like, I want to start a family. 494 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:54,399 Speaker 3: But he got like just like the people tell that, 495 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 3: he got through most of his like angsty twenties and 496 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 3: thirties doing whatever you wanted, right and now here he 497 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 3: is picking the young wife who I'm not saying they're 498 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 3: not in love. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with 499 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:09,560 Speaker 3: any of the relationship because again we've seen problematic things. 500 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,000 Speaker 3: I will go with Henry cavill as one that have 501 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:14,480 Speaker 3: decided to go with really super young women because he 502 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:16,960 Speaker 3: wouldn't want them to be tainted by the industry. It's 503 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 3: like quote unquote, which is real gross. But but all 504 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:22,480 Speaker 3: of that to say is like there's this kind of 505 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:25,639 Speaker 3: narrative which is really able to listen sexist in that 506 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 3: ideal and we are all accepted, like we all are like, yeah, 507 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:33,600 Speaker 3: that makes sense, Like, no wonder this forty five year 508 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 3: old man is marrying this twenty five year old woman 509 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:36,919 Speaker 3: because he wants a family. 510 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:37,160 Speaker 2: Now. 511 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:38,920 Speaker 3: Of course he's not on days one of his age 512 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:42,240 Speaker 3: now because the likelihood of them having children is dangerous 513 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 3: and all these things. But this conversation kind of leads into, yeah, 514 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:49,840 Speaker 3: you're stealing the prime of their lives essentially, but you 515 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 3: didn't have to sacrifice yours. So there's this whole narrative 516 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 3: that has been a constant nothing that's just in general, 517 00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 3: like all of misogynistic life patriarchal standing that we don't 518 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 3: talk enough about. And again, biology is whatever, whatever, whatnot. 519 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 3: People my age are having children and are healthy and 520 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:12,240 Speaker 3: all these things, but it's just this level of sexist 521 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 3: patriarchal idea that this is the only way to go 522 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 3: and not realizing yeah, this like Sophie Turner is twenty 523 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,720 Speaker 3: seven and has had children. I'm sure she loves her children, 524 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:25,359 Speaker 3: doesn't regret that for her a thing, all of those things, 525 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,760 Speaker 3: any of those things. Again, don't know these people, but 526 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 3: there is that comment of like, yeah, you didn't get 527 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:35,119 Speaker 3: to explore your life beyond this, like you just jumped 528 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:38,240 Speaker 3: into this to this, And I will say, for my mother, 529 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:40,320 Speaker 3: who did the exact same thing, that definitely didn't even 530 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:41,440 Speaker 3: have almost a childhood. 531 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:43,040 Speaker 1: Uh. She has this. 532 00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:47,480 Speaker 3: Comments where she doesn't resent us her kids necessarily, but 533 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:49,840 Speaker 3: she has moments of like I'm missed out and tries 534 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 3: to lift through her children. And there's a lot of 535 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 3: trauma in that as well. But we don't have that conversation. 536 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 1: Enough about like ew, what is this really? 537 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, And a lot of people pointed that out. They 538 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:05,480 Speaker 2: were like, what what was he expecting that she would 539 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:06,680 Speaker 2: just settle. 540 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:10,720 Speaker 1: She does just not doing anything except for working. 541 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,160 Speaker 2: I know, Oh my gosh, I know. We're gonna talk 542 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:18,439 Speaker 2: about this more in a second. So I would love 543 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:19,919 Speaker 2: to come back and do a whole episode on this 544 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,400 Speaker 2: because I did go kind of on a rabbit hole 545 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 2: excursion of like learning about PR, the PR celebrity machine. 546 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:31,199 Speaker 2: But when experts when it comes to that say that 547 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,920 Speaker 2: anonymous sources are often the person themselves or someone paid 548 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,119 Speaker 2: to speak on their behalf, So I always kind of 549 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:40,560 Speaker 2: look out for that. And then yes, as you mentioned 550 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 2: on top of that, days after the divorce announcement, Jonas 551 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 2: was photographed having lunch with their two daughters, something that 552 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 2: is often called a pap walk or a planted which 553 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:55,040 Speaker 2: is essentially a planned or staged paparazzi moment, which was 554 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:59,520 Speaker 2: particularly galling for a lot of folks given Turner's comments 555 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 2: to twenty twenty two. My daughter never asked for any 556 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:04,880 Speaker 2: of this. I know what it can do to your 557 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:06,960 Speaker 2: mental health to be in this industry and to be 558 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 2: photographed every day and have the comments. She's not very 559 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 2: active on social media because she has said that this 560 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 2: is harmful for mental health. And yeah, they've their kids 561 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 2: just have not been in the limelight. They have not 562 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 2: had their pictures taken. So this was a very like aver. 563 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:26,280 Speaker 2: It was a difference. It was outside of the. 564 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:30,880 Speaker 3: Norm, right again, like people a lot of TikTok pr 565 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,600 Speaker 3: people were like, they don't typically blow out photos. 566 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,520 Speaker 1: So there's some level of take, give and take in 567 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,880 Speaker 1: this in this conversation. Yeah, how disrespectful. 568 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 3: How disrespectful because that is a like we know so 569 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 3: many bad things, Like we've even had that conversation with 570 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,840 Speaker 3: bridget about children getting on social media too early and 571 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 3: then their lives being ruined. And I can't imagine we 572 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:58,840 Speaker 3: can We've seen many young children of celebrities who've been 573 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:03,480 Speaker 3: really really league put through the ringer because of them 574 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:05,840 Speaker 3: being released too soon, and even those who try to 575 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 3: hide until like I know, Michael Jackson's daughter Forever was 576 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:10,800 Speaker 3: not on there, and then all of a sudden she wasn't. 577 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:11,680 Speaker 3: She was getting reamed. 578 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 2: It's like wow, yeah, yeah, And we did do that 579 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,640 Speaker 2: episode on Bridge it and it wasn't necessarily on celebrity children, 580 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:22,480 Speaker 2: but on like mom Fluence, yes, and the Damning No Children, Yeah, exactly. 581 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:25,080 Speaker 2: So this does play into a lot of things we 582 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:28,120 Speaker 2: have talked about also. One is the bad girl trope 583 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:30,560 Speaker 2: for young women. We did talk about that with Britney 584 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:33,040 Speaker 2: Spears and a lot of women from the nineties that 585 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,520 Speaker 2: the media and a lot of just does a society 586 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 2: really reamed, were raked over the coals. So it's just 587 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:45,000 Speaker 2: essentially like you get this kind of young, sexy woman 588 00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:49,160 Speaker 2: and then she rises up to a point and then 589 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 2: you destroy her. She's the bad girl. She ruined justin 590 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 2: Timberlake's life or whatever it is. So there was that 591 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:57,680 Speaker 2: kind of thing that they were trying to do with 592 00:30:57,760 --> 00:30:58,520 Speaker 2: Sophie Turner. 593 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:00,480 Speaker 1: I forgot about Ashley Green. 594 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:06,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, with the Jonahs, like he blamed her for losing 595 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:07,680 Speaker 3: his virginity. 596 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:11,360 Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, and like like got her pretty like 597 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:12,280 Speaker 4: was skating. 598 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:15,960 Speaker 1: But yeah, he loves God. He loves blaming women a scene. 599 00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,400 Speaker 1: It seems or his campus taught him to do that 600 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:20,200 Speaker 1: or doing it for him. I don't know which is 601 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:25,520 Speaker 1: far us. But like, these are a bit of a pattern. 602 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,480 Speaker 3: Because when you were talking about the bad girl ruining people, yeah, 603 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 3: that was that narrative. 604 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:31,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, and he has really played into that. We are 605 00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,200 Speaker 2: going to talk about that in a second. Here are 606 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:39,360 Speaker 2: a couple of quotes tweets about this. So bro really 607 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:42,040 Speaker 2: thought he could run the nineties justin Timberlake misogyny in 608 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:44,239 Speaker 2: the press, playbook on the mother of his children and 609 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 2: not get called out. In twenty twenty three, and that 610 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,560 Speaker 2: was a viral tweet with over it's like hundred thousand 611 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,400 Speaker 2: views that I got from CNN. Here's another from the 612 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,520 Speaker 2: Washington Post. I think I'm supposed to gather from all 613 00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,400 Speaker 2: the carefully placed headlines that she's a partier and that's 614 00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,800 Speaker 2: a bad mom. Well, he's the hero dad making sacrifices. 615 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,600 Speaker 2: Jazabelle's former editor in chief, Laura Bassett wrote and a 616 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,600 Speaker 2: viral post on ex formally Twitter, but no one seems 617 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,560 Speaker 2: to question why he, at thirty, decided to marry a 618 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,120 Speaker 2: twenty three year old and thought she'd suddenly turn into 619 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:19,280 Speaker 2: a tradwife. Going back to your point, here's another. The 620 00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:22,520 Speaker 2: media is focus on Turner's parenting and purported nightlife interest 621 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,480 Speaker 2: show how the archetypal roles of mothers is far more 622 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,040 Speaker 2: entrenched in society than the role of the father, said 623 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:31,479 Speaker 2: Sarah Peterson, a writer and author of Monfluence. Inside the 624 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:35,320 Speaker 2: maddening picture perfect world of mommy influence culture, we still 625 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:38,480 Speaker 2: presume a good mother's who adhere to mid century gender norms, 626 00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,400 Speaker 2: and we will accept pretty much anything from a father, 627 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,880 Speaker 2: she said, Like, even if she does like to party, 628 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:45,960 Speaker 2: that has nothing to do with her ability to care 629 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,400 Speaker 2: for a child, make a child feel safe and secure 630 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,560 Speaker 2: and loved, and provide for a child. It's absolutely nothing 631 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,760 Speaker 2: to do with her mother in capabilities, Peterson added, Nor 632 00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:57,600 Speaker 2: does the assertion that jonas as a homebody have anything 633 00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,720 Speaker 2: to do with his capabilities as a parent. I felt 634 00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:03,719 Speaker 2: like this is important to point out because again, the 635 00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:07,360 Speaker 2: evidence that we have seems to suggest she doesn't like 636 00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:11,480 Speaker 2: party too hard. But even if she likes to party, 637 00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,080 Speaker 2: there's nothing wrong with that. Like Bridgett said where you 638 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:17,360 Speaker 2: had her on moms deserved a party too. 639 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's the thing is like, yeah, let's let's 640 00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:21,920 Speaker 3: enjoy it being an adult. 641 00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:23,440 Speaker 1: Do what you want if you can. 642 00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:26,760 Speaker 3: And yeah, if you can afford childcare, that's even more wonderful, 643 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,640 Speaker 3: do you but don't know, Yeah, don't put your children 644 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:30,200 Speaker 3: in harms way? 645 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:30,960 Speaker 1: How about that? Right? 646 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:35,920 Speaker 2: Like, there are ways to responsibly party for you and 647 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:41,000 Speaker 2: your kids responsibly, party responsibly. But this kind of goes 648 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:44,200 Speaker 2: back to what you were saying about Joe Jonas because 649 00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:47,640 Speaker 2: he's been his camp has been really leaning into his 650 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:51,719 Speaker 2: quote wife guy persona, this like home body. I'm a 651 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:59,080 Speaker 2: good like husband dude. Yeah, and she's she's out partying 652 00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:02,880 Speaker 2: while I'm here with these kids. As I said, she 653 00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:06,000 Speaker 2: has released so we Turner has released one statement. There's 654 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:09,520 Speaker 2: a joint statement with him, and that could have been it. 655 00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,800 Speaker 2: They could have just the Joners camp could have just 656 00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,839 Speaker 2: stuck with that too, but they didn't. And that's sort 657 00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:21,040 Speaker 2: of where this all went wrong. Here's the quote using 658 00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,680 Speaker 2: sources is ugly and people now see through it. While 659 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:27,440 Speaker 2: court papers are on record and are clearly attributed audiences 660 00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:30,279 Speaker 2: know who is filing them A long time celebrity news 661 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,800 Speaker 2: editor tails Axios, Turner came out point blank with legal 662 00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:37,240 Speaker 2: documents and statements that say who, what, where, and why. 663 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:42,000 Speaker 2: She's not pretending to hide behind sources and yeah, you 664 00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:45,080 Speaker 2: can read them. She did release all these court documents 665 00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:47,360 Speaker 2: that prove that the pair was looking for a permanent 666 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:51,040 Speaker 2: residence in the UK three months before they're divorced. It's 667 00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:57,440 Speaker 2: actually kind of sad because they're very sweet, but yeah, 668 00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:03,200 Speaker 2: she was not. She did, Yeah the proof. He allegedly 669 00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,440 Speaker 2: did not provide her support when she was struggling with 670 00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,320 Speaker 2: depression after the birth of their second child and pressured 671 00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:11,960 Speaker 2: her to go to events with him, and yeah, it's 672 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,279 Speaker 2: not this has not gone well for him. 673 00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:14,719 Speaker 4: Uh. 674 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:19,640 Speaker 2: From Axias. There were fifty three one hundred and ten 675 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,920 Speaker 2: articles written about Jonas in the past month, per Rock Data, 676 00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:26,080 Speaker 2: and Turner gained over one hundred and fifty thousand Instagram 677 00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:30,799 Speaker 2: followers in a month after this, So yeah, uh, it 678 00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:34,080 Speaker 2: is interesting because I would have expected people would have 679 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:39,760 Speaker 2: just turned on her, right, but that's not what has happened. 680 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:41,960 Speaker 1: And I'm glad. 681 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,160 Speaker 3: I'm glad to see that the narrative changing. I hate 682 00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:46,319 Speaker 3: that that this is going to be so awful for 683 00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:48,759 Speaker 3: the two of them. Six games he kind of laid 684 00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:52,239 Speaker 3: that foundation out. The reason name makes no sense. There 685 00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:56,080 Speaker 3: honestly didn't need to be their very private majority of 686 00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:58,279 Speaker 3: the time, so it doesn't even make sense. Of course, 687 00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:04,480 Speaker 3: there's also information that the brothers, Kevin and Nick, have 688 00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:08,919 Speaker 3: been encouraging him to divorce her, and then the ring 689 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:14,560 Speaker 3: cam cam video was the final straw again just apparently 690 00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,279 Speaker 3: talking trash about him, which I'm like, if she's not 691 00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:20,919 Speaker 3: talking trash about because she's not having an affair, she's 692 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:21,640 Speaker 3: not you know, like. 693 00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,879 Speaker 2: Right, And I did. I did read a whole thing. 694 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:27,799 Speaker 2: I didn't include it in here because I really don't 695 00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:29,239 Speaker 2: know enough about it, but I did read the whole 696 00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:35,240 Speaker 2: thing about like the Jonas brothers kind of their brand 697 00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:41,160 Speaker 2: and kind of like her not fitting into their right. 698 00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,879 Speaker 3: So I mean that might be very very true in 699 00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:48,279 Speaker 3: like this whole I'm not really sure what the brand 700 00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:48,680 Speaker 3: would be. 701 00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,200 Speaker 2: Well, it's it's like a fan well that I guess 702 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:53,520 Speaker 2: they were more saying she didn't It's not that she 703 00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:56,280 Speaker 2: didn't fit in, but that if they were going to divorce, 704 00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,600 Speaker 2: they needed to prove that he was a family man. 705 00:36:58,680 --> 00:36:59,960 Speaker 2: I think that was they were so. 706 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,160 Speaker 1: Okay, and that's supposed to be what it was. 707 00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,479 Speaker 2: That's what I read that they were trying to prove 708 00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:13,480 Speaker 2: because that's sort of their wholesome family, nostalgic brands, like, 709 00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:14,880 Speaker 2: look at how wholesome family. 710 00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:15,640 Speaker 4: I am. 711 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,200 Speaker 3: The only one who could really say that would be Kevin, 712 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:23,399 Speaker 3: the oldest brother. But because I think he has I'm 713 00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:26,319 Speaker 3: not saying it's easy, but like she's not famous, so 714 00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:30,480 Speaker 3: like they are able to stay out of the lime light. Also, 715 00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:32,120 Speaker 3: he still at least liked at the three thing at 716 00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,320 Speaker 3: least popular, so they stay out of the limelight a 717 00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:36,319 Speaker 3: little more than the other two. 718 00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:40,840 Speaker 2: I see, Okay, I could be wrong. 719 00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:43,879 Speaker 1: You always have to have that one. 720 00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:52,279 Speaker 3: Hanson brothers had a top. I actually don't know any 721 00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:57,719 Speaker 3: Jonah's brothers songs, so I can't. I like this, thank you, 722 00:37:58,440 --> 00:37:59,080 Speaker 3: I am done. 723 00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:02,080 Speaker 2: Now I will. I'll end with this. I don't want 724 00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,640 Speaker 2: to go into it too much, but I did breathe 725 00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:07,880 Speaker 2: a whole thing that was about like, it's really good 726 00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:12,680 Speaker 2: that we as consumers of media have become much more 727 00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,960 Speaker 2: skeptical and become much more like, wait, what is the 728 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:19,960 Speaker 2: pr freezon behind this is what is the what are 729 00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:21,759 Speaker 2: they trying to get from me out of this or 730 00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:24,400 Speaker 2: make me believe out of this? But it does have negatives, 731 00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,680 Speaker 2: which is mostly that we don't trust anything anymore, which 732 00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:31,200 Speaker 2: is fair, I would say in some cases. But yeah, 733 00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:33,560 Speaker 2: I thought that was interesting. It was an interesting article 734 00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:36,239 Speaker 2: about it, but it was also about like how we 735 00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:42,080 Speaker 2: stories about how I don't know how dramatic their divorces 736 00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:44,240 Speaker 2: are going to get more traction than like the actual 737 00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:48,200 Speaker 2: raggy So it's sort of like not a healthy media system. 738 00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:51,520 Speaker 3: TMZ jumped on is so quickly, right, Yeah, who has 739 00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:56,320 Speaker 3: probably become the trashiest of all tabloids and really disrespectful 740 00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:58,440 Speaker 3: of all tabloids. 741 00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:03,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I was thinking about this earlier. Has led 742 00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:04,479 Speaker 2: to some death. 743 00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:09,319 Speaker 3: Yeah, we know that the UK is not nice either 744 00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:13,000 Speaker 3: when it comes to that, but like the announcing of 745 00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:16,560 Speaker 3: Kobe Bryant's death before like family members could know, was 746 00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:20,839 Speaker 3: so disrespectful. Like I don't like Kobe Bryant necessarily, I'm 747 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,680 Speaker 3: not necessarily a fan. Death is so sad, but I 748 00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,480 Speaker 3: mean I also remember that he's had he's a problematic. 749 00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:30,319 Speaker 3: He was a problematic man as well, but his death 750 00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,080 Speaker 3: was a tragedy. His daughter's death was a tragedy, and 751 00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:37,400 Speaker 3: the way they spread that news was so gross, Like 752 00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:39,680 Speaker 3: that's but that's the type of people, that's the type 753 00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:41,520 Speaker 3: of publication they are, And I think it says a lot. 754 00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,120 Speaker 2: Yeah it does, so I guess I always keep that 755 00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:44,760 Speaker 2: in mind too. 756 00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:47,400 Speaker 1: And people who align with them are not great. Just saying. 757 00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,040 Speaker 2: It's so funny because I read so many tweets that 758 00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:58,000 Speaker 2: were coming from like my perspective. They're like, I literally 759 00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,000 Speaker 2: didn't care about the guy and now I don't like it. 760 00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:05,719 Speaker 1: You're like, oh yeah, definitely dead to me. 761 00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:09,040 Speaker 2: Okay, I guess exactly. 762 00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:11,359 Speaker 3: I know. I don't know your music, I don't listen 763 00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:12,680 Speaker 3: to your music, and I don't like you. 764 00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:16,080 Speaker 2: I don't like you anymore. This is need to happen 765 00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:18,080 Speaker 2: for me or for you. You could have avoided the 766 00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:18,680 Speaker 2: whole thing. 767 00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:23,680 Speaker 4: To me, But here you are, here you are, and 768 00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:30,359 Speaker 4: now we're doing your podcast you yeah, yeah, but I 769 00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:32,280 Speaker 4: do think it was it was we're talking about. 770 00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:34,360 Speaker 2: So glad you put it on the radar. Thanks Versa 771 00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:38,759 Speaker 2: as always for chiming in. Uh and yeah, listeners, if 772 00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:40,719 Speaker 2: you have any thoughts about this, again, this is a 773 00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:44,440 Speaker 2: really timely one who knows what's going to happen, but 774 00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:47,440 Speaker 2: you can let us know. You can email us at Stephandia, 775 00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:49,759 Speaker 2: mom Stuff at iHeartMedia dot com. You can find us 776 00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:53,120 Speaker 2: on Twitter at mom Stuff podcast, or on Instagram or 777 00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:55,520 Speaker 2: TikTok at stuff One ever told you we have a 778 00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:57,239 Speaker 2: tea public store and we have a book that you 779 00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:59,640 Speaker 2: can get that stuff you should read books dot com. 780 00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:02,480 Speaker 2: Thanks as always to our super producer Christina, our executive 781 00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,759 Speaker 2: producer Maya, and our contributor Joey. Thank you and thanks 782 00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:07,920 Speaker 2: to you for listening. Steffan never told you this perfection 783 00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:09,759 Speaker 2: of iHeart Radio. For more podcast from my Heart Radio, 784 00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:11,600 Speaker 2: you can check out the heart Radio app, Peple Podcasts, 785 00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:13,080 Speaker 2: or whever you listen to your favorite show