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Speaker 1: Welcome into the lounge presented by DraftKings. I'm Garrett Downing

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Speaker 1: and I'm joined by Clifton Brown. We want to talk

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Speaker 1: through some of the storylines of the last week here

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Speaker 1: with the Ravens. Also, Cliff is back from owners meeting,

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Speaker 1: So after being wined and dined in the fancy in

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Speaker 1: the fancy hotel down there in Florida, Cliff is back

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Speaker 1: with us and wants to give kind of a recap

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Speaker 1: of everything that he saw and all that went on

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Speaker 1: down to the owners meetings. But today we want to

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Speaker 1: start the conversation on the most significant transaction of the

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Speaker 1: last week, which is not one of the Ravens made,

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Speaker 1: but one that happened to a former Ravens player, which

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Speaker 1: is Devion Clowney. And of course he has signed a

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Speaker 1: contract with the Carolina Panthers, a reported two year deal,

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Speaker 1: two year, twenty million dollar contract up to twenty four million.

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Speaker 2: Over those two seasons, So a really.

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Speaker 1: Nice deal for Clowney at the stage of his career,

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Speaker 1: coming off a big season. So it's one and done

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Speaker 1: for Jadeveon Clowney here Baltimore. What are your thoughts, Cliff

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Speaker 1: about him going on to play with the Carolina Panthers

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Speaker 1: and the Raves not being able to bring him back here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think for the contract that Clowney got there, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: that was going to be out of the Ravens price range,

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Speaker 3: and you know they weren't going to sign Clowney for

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Speaker 3: that kind of contract. He loved playing here, The Ravens

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Speaker 3: loved having him.

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Speaker 4: He had a.

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Speaker 3: Tremendous season for the Ravens, and he's a player that

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Speaker 3: Baltimore wanted back, but he wanted to Obviously going home

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Speaker 3: was attractive to him Carolina, where he grew up in

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Speaker 3: that area, and for that kind of money, I think

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Speaker 3: they made him an offer you say that he could

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Speaker 3: not refuse. So, you know, it's disappointing I think from

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Speaker 3: a Ravens perspective not to have a player like that back.

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Speaker 3: But there is plenty of time to you know, figure

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Speaker 3: out where you want to go from here and to

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Speaker 3: still have a great defense, a very good pass rush.

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Speaker 3: It'll just have to be done now without j Davian Clowney.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I look at a couple of ways.

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Speaker 1: One for the clowning perspective, like you're happy for him

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Speaker 1: to get this nice contien or as a guy, you know,

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Speaker 1: when he sat down with us on the lounge last year,

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Speaker 1: he was really open talking about just his career, the

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Speaker 1: ups and the downs. As the former number one overall pick,

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Speaker 1: came into the NFL with all his hype and basically

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Speaker 1: from the time that his career started, he was then

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden facing an upward battle because of

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Speaker 1: the knee injury that really derailed his career and changed

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Speaker 1: who he was as a player and his effectiveness. And

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Speaker 1: he went into everything about how he had to slim down,

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Speaker 1: couldn't carry on as much weight as he had in

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Speaker 1: college because it just was too much on his knee.

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Speaker 1: And so for him to be playing as long as

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Speaker 1: he has, I think is a big success. For him

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Speaker 1: to have the season last year, I think as a

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Speaker 1: testament to his work, the way that the Ravens were

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Speaker 1: able to use him effectively on the field, the work

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Speaker 1: of the medical staff. Like his goal last year, which

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Speaker 1: he was open about, was to play seventeen games, and

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Speaker 1: he did that and then some with the playoffs, and

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Speaker 1: so he had a great season last year, and you're

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Speaker 1: happy for him. I think this is a guy that's

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Speaker 1: good to see that hard work payoff with a nice contract,

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Speaker 1: and so I'm happy for him that he gets that deal.

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Speaker 1: Last year with the Ravens, he had a one year,

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Speaker 1: out late in the process, so like a lot of

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Speaker 1: even give him a deal. So this time he gets

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Speaker 1: into free agency and it happens quickly for him, relatively quickly,

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Speaker 1: and then he gets a nice contract of twenty four million,

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Speaker 1: two years, twenty million, Like that's a really good deal,

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Speaker 1: especially at the stage of his.

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Speaker 2: Career, and so you're happy for him.

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Speaker 1: At the same time, I can't fault the Ravens like

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Speaker 1: I wanted him back, like I wanted the Ravens to

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Speaker 1: find a way to make it work. But that's a

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Speaker 1: They're tied against the salary cap. It's more than double

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Speaker 1: Like the Ravens weren't going to go to that to

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Speaker 1: I think also it's a testament to the Ravens setting

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Speaker 4: No question.

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Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, I think you summed it up perfectly

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Speaker 3: you knew when freegency started this year, the Ravens were

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Speaker 3: going to lose some players, particularly on defense, that they

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Speaker 3: Had the Panthers not come in with that type of deal,

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Speaker 3: I think it definitely could have happened, because again, he

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Speaker 3: really loved playing here, loved playing for Contender. It's going

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Speaker 3: to be different for Jjavon down there. I means, yes,

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Speaker 3: he got a great contract, but I don't expect many

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Speaker 3: people to be picking the Panthers to you know, in

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Speaker 3: that's the he had to wait at himself, but he

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Speaker 4: I totally understand it.

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Speaker 3: But again, the Ravens, you know, they are used to

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Speaker 3: dealing with losing talent and replacing town. That's one of

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Speaker 3: the reasons why they've been able to remain a consistent

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Speaker 3: players in this case, like a Clowney who exceeded expectations,

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Speaker 3: you can't keep them all. So, yeah, I think it's

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Speaker 3: a good contract for Clowney, tough laws for the Ravens,

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Speaker 3: but not one that they can't overcome.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that the Clowney decision to leave,

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Speaker 1: when I heard from Clowney at the end of the season,

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Speaker 1: it felt like he was more than open to the

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Speaker 1: maintained contact with the Ravens throughout the process. So I

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Speaker 1: think that, like he was certainly open to coming back,

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Speaker 2: He grew up basically in Carolina.

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Speaker 1: He grew up in rock Hill, South Carolina, with is

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Speaker 1: can't fault him for taking that, as much as I

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Speaker 1: I think that for the Ravens, now, like the question

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Speaker 3: He is right and just like Clowney loved playing here,

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Speaker 3: The Ravens want him back. He wants to come back,

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Speaker 3: If van Ney does re sign with the Ravens, it

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Speaker 3: softens a blow of losing Clowney, and you're bringing back

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Speaker 3: van Noy's a very smart player who's played in quite

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Speaker 3: He's a dominant player that draws tremendous attention and everyone

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Speaker 4: It's good enough to win a championship with.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, when you look at van Ney last year, he

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Speaker 1: And so the Ravens hit home runs with both of

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Speaker 1: that if it works out money wise, I mean, I

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Speaker 1: don't think he's going to sign for the same contract

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Speaker 1: Ravens have weapons, especially with the tight end position with

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Speaker 1: Zay Flowers, with Bateman taking another step in the Ravens.

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Speaker 1: Similar to the conversation around o Way, there's there's more

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Speaker 1: on him and and they've talked about him having a

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Speaker 1: breakout season, and he was healthy last year, which was

439
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Speaker 1: a big step for him. And so they still have

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Speaker 1: a lot of confidence in Rishon Bateman and being able

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Speaker 1: to step up and put up some big numbers this year.

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Speaker 1: And so I think that the most likely, Like as

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Speaker 1: I'm looking at it right now, I think that you're

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Speaker 1: your top three targets going into next year. It's it's

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Speaker 1: Zay Bateman and Mark Andrews and and with and then

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Speaker 1: Isaiah likely that's your top four. And even if the

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Speaker 1: Ravens add somebody else to that mix, one of the

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Speaker 1: players on this on this list, I think that that

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Speaker 1: player is, you know, in the mix with Agalar for

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Speaker 1: that the fifth kind of target share. So we're not

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Speaker 1: talking or receiver in the draft, like I don't think

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Speaker 1: you're talking about a guy coming in here and being

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Speaker 1: the number two. I think that the top two are

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Speaker 1: set with Zay Flowers and Bateman, and you're talking about

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Speaker 1: somebody coming in here competing for reps is the third

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Speaker 1: wide receiver. But the tight ends are also going to

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Speaker 1: be heavily featured. And again to my point, like to

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Speaker 1: what degree that is the question in my mind?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I agree with all that. Again, you know,

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Speaker 3: the one wild card you never know about his injuries.

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Speaker 3: I mean, think how blessed you know Raven's were to

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Speaker 3: have likely when Andrews went down, And yes, give him

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Speaker 3: all the credit for stepping up, but some teams don't

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Speaker 3: have a player like that behind a Pro Bowl tight end.

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Speaker 3: And then you know, we haven't talked about Charlie Coleer.

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Speaker 3: I mean, he's a guy. He showed he was a

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Speaker 3: capable wide receiver in college. He's looking to try and

468
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Speaker 3: get on the field in some way more than he

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Speaker 3: has and certainly you would think if he got more

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Speaker 3: playing time he might be able to produce. And yeah, sure,

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Speaker 3: if everyone stays healthy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you can't prepare for that doesn't happen.

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Speaker 4: That position, it's not going to happen.

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Speaker 3: I mean, probably not you always hope it does, but

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Speaker 3: so yeah, I just feel that, you know, they're not

476
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Speaker 3: bringing in, you know, reportedly, these wide receivers just to

477
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Speaker 3: be you know, having gods run around and field. They're looking,

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Speaker 3: you know, they they're thinking that it would be nice

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Speaker 3: to add even though they'd be signed Aglar, it wouldn't

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Speaker 3: be out of question to add another veteran. And just

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Speaker 3: like I believe in the draft, you know, they've taken

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Speaker 3: a lot of wide receivers high in the last few years.

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Speaker 3: If one, particularly on Day two, came on the board

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Speaker 3: that they really like, I don't think they'll hesitate to

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Speaker 3: make that call.

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Speaker 1: All right, So let's take a quick break and then

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Speaker 1: when we come back, we'll dive into some of the

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Speaker 1: rules changes that were put into effect at the owner's

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Speaker 1: meetings last week and get any other observations of your

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Speaker 1: you were just at the owner's meetings last week. The

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Speaker 1: two big rule changes. One is the hip drop tackle

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Speaker 1: is gone. That was a rule change that went into

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Speaker 1: effect after not just because of the injury to Mark Andrews,

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Speaker 1: but I think that probably played a part in that.

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Speaker 1: And then also the kickoff rule change, which is really

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Speaker 1: going to alter that play in a big way. So

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Speaker 1: let's start with the hip drop tackle. What is your

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Speaker 1: thought on that and the impact that's going to have

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Speaker 1: on the game.

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Speaker 3: Well, there were a lot of hip drop tackles shown

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Speaker 3: in the video that they showed down there using example

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Speaker 3: of the penalty is going to be called. And we

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Speaker 3: here in Baltimore, we all focused on the one with

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Speaker 3: Mark against the Bengals, but they ran a film clip

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Speaker 3: went on for two minutes. Mark's play was not even involved,

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Speaker 3: and they showed many others from around the league where

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Speaker 3: players were injured on not just as there was a violation,

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Speaker 3: players were injured, and that was the motivation to take

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Speaker 3: it out of the game that they feel that when

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Speaker 3: the entire hip drop element is used, you reach, grab

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Speaker 3: and then land on someone's leg, the likelihood for injury

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Speaker 3: is very high and they didn't want any more players

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Speaker 3: being injured with this type of play, so it had

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Speaker 3: to go short. There's you know, a lot of the

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Speaker 3: NFLPA came out against it. A lot of defensive players

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Speaker 3: was like, okay, so how am I going to make

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Speaker 3: a tagle If I'm trailing a guy he's getting ready

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Speaker 3: to go in for a touchdown and I need to

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Speaker 3: get him on the ground. I'm not trying to hurt him,

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Speaker 3: but I don't have a good angle and I'm trying

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Speaker 3: to get them on the ground. It is going to

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Speaker 3: make it more difficult on defensive players to avoid that.

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Speaker 4: And still make a tackle.

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Speaker 3: And I do think more than penalties next year, you

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Speaker 3: may see guys making the play and not being called,

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Speaker 3: and then when it's reviewed, guys getting fined for doing it,

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Speaker 3: and they'll be an adjustment period for their officials too,

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Speaker 3: whether that's it was at a real hip drop tackle,

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Speaker 3: should I throw the.

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Speaker 4: Flag or not?

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Speaker 3: But yet they want the injuries to be eliminated. So

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Speaker 3: for that, from that perspective, that's why that play they

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Speaker 3: wanted to take it out of a game.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think that, like you want to

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Speaker 1: avoid and not that Mark Andrews was the only one.

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Speaker 1: But like when you watch that play, you know, Logan

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Speaker 1: Wilson say it was a dirty play, but the way

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Speaker 1: he tackled him, his all of his weight went into

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Speaker 1: Mark's legs and it broke his ankle. Like I think

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Speaker 1: that if you can avoid that type of thing and

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Speaker 1: being part of the game, I think that's a good thing.

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Speaker 1: And you don't want to see players have their ankles

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Speaker 1: and knees taken out from under them. It's just it's

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Speaker 1: like it's dangerous. And so I think that, Like I

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Speaker 1: get it, defensive players feel like I can't hit them high,

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Speaker 1: I can't hit them low.

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Speaker 2: This is what do you want me to do?

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Speaker 1: I understand that, And I think that that's you know,

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Speaker 1: that's that's a no, that's that's a understandable response. I

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Speaker 1: guess as a defensive player, especially, I'm not the one

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Speaker 1: out there tackling Mark Andrews, so like I get it's

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Speaker 1: easy for me to say, like, don't don't tackle him

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Speaker 1: that way. But I do think that like finding a

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Speaker 1: way to try to eliminate that I think is good.

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Speaker 1: I think that what I what I am really curious

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Speaker 1: to see is how it gets officiated.

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Speaker 2: And that's what I think everyone probably is wondering.

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Speaker 1: Is it going to be a ticki tax situation where

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Speaker 1: you're not really sure?

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Speaker 2: Is that a hip drop? Is it not?

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Speaker 1: The flags on the ground key play of the game.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure fans probably saw it on Twitter last week

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Speaker 1: on X where everyone's saying, okay, key situation. Now here's

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Speaker 1: the flag fifteen yards and this huge stop and a

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Speaker 1: key situation by a defense is now going to be

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Speaker 1: taken away because you see that sometimes when it comes

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Speaker 1: to roughing the passer, like there's nothing worse. If it's

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Speaker 1: a third down pass, it sails incomplete and then all

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Speaker 1: of a sudden in the backfield you see the flag

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Speaker 1: for a Ticki tack roughing the passer call. I don't

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Speaker 1: think anybody likes that, and you don't want to see

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Speaker 1: the same thing on a hip drop tackle if it's

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Speaker 1: not crystal clear. And so I do wonder how that

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Speaker 1: will be officiated, and I'm sure there will be a

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Speaker 1: bit of a learning curve. I wonder how many of

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Speaker 1: these flags are going to get called over the course

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Speaker 1: of a season. Is it heavy in the preseason or

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Speaker 1: early in the season, and then it kind of tapers off,

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Speaker 1: And that's the big question that I have in my mind.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, there's definitely going to be a learning

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Speaker 3: curve and an adjustment period. And you know, I'm curious

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Speaker 3: also maybe if it's borderline hip drop or none, they're

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Speaker 3: not sure. If the guy stays down like he's injured

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Speaker 3: or he is injured, does that influence you know, the flag?

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Speaker 3: And sometimes you see that with other pealties. You know,

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Speaker 3: wasn't unnecessarily roughness. Well, if the guys on the ground

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Speaker 3: doesn't get up, you see the flag come out.

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Speaker 4: If he pops back up, you don't. So yeah, but.

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Speaker 1: Again it too exactly like and so I guess that

602
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Speaker 1: like guys could bait, guys could could bait.

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Speaker 4: It's all part of the game.

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Speaker 3: But the players were being injured on the hip drop tackle.

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Speaker 3: Regards of what you think about it, whether you think

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Speaker 3: it should be allowed or not, or whether you think

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Speaker 3: it's too tough on the vendors. That was the league's

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Speaker 3: thinking that too many players, many more than Mark Andrews,

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Speaker 3: were losing game time because they were tackled with this

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Speaker 3: type of tackle, whether it fell into anyone's viewpoint of

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Speaker 3: a hip drop, when that method was used, guys were

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Speaker 3: getting hurt.

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Speaker 4: They want that out, and that was the main motivation.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right.

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Speaker 1: So then the other one is the kickoff rule change,

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Speaker 1: which is a little bit more confusing, and.

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Speaker 2: How do you explain it just as simple you were

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Speaker 2: down there.

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Speaker 1: You've saw all the instructional videos in the honesty in

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Speaker 1: the NFL and the and the competition committee. Right, they've

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Speaker 1: done a good job with some of the videos that

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Speaker 1: they've posted to explain it well.

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Speaker 2: So I'll ask you to try to bring some life

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Speaker 2: to it.

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Speaker 4: The easiest word.

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Speaker 3: The easiest way it would be if you've seen XFL again,

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Speaker 3: they have used a similar type kickoff rule. So if

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Speaker 3: you if you haven't seen it, look look at you

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Speaker 3: can find it easy on social media the way XFL

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Speaker 3: had lined up for kickoffs. Recently, the NFL is using

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Speaker 3: a variation of that, but it's very similar. So yeah,

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Speaker 3: the kickoff is going to look very, very different than

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Speaker 3: it has all these years in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: And if if the kicker just boots it into the

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Speaker 1: end zone, now the returning team gets it at the

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Speaker 1: thirty five, right, So it kind of removes just booting

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Speaker 1: the ball out of the back of the end.

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Speaker 3: Zone, right, But some people may choose in certain situations

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Speaker 3: to do that all as the return you know, kicking

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Speaker 3: it into the dead spot and guys not having you know,

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Speaker 3: a free reign to get a running head start. It's

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Speaker 3: going to create different blocking angles and strategy for returns.

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Speaker 3: And you know, it'd be great for us to get

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Speaker 3: say like a Chris Ward, and he had explain it

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Speaker 3: much better than I could as far as how the

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Speaker 3: player's going to develop and then how teams may approach

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Speaker 3: the return based on these new rules. But now it

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Speaker 3: brings back more kick returns. So kick returners are going

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Speaker 3: to be a more important part of roster you because

650
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Speaker 3: kick returners we're going to have an opportunity now to

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Speaker 3: break maybe two three kickoffs doing of course of the season,

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Speaker 3: it could change the outcome of a game. So the

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Speaker 3: special teams, coaches and to me, coaches in general really

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Speaker 3: didn't want kickoffs to be eliminated from football. That they

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Speaker 3: felt it's a play that, as we all know, can

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Speaker 3: create excitement. It had gotten to the point where most

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Speaker 3: teams were just kicking the end zone touchback. The only

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Speaker 3: one thing was almost to me, now totally's appear will

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Speaker 3: be on sidekicks because it's really no way to do

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Speaker 3: it and get the ball back. But on sidekicks it

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Speaker 3: almost disappeared anyway a least successful ones. Seams weren't trying

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Speaker 3: them nearly as much because they didn't feel like they

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Speaker 3: could successfully get the ball back. So now the kickoff

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Speaker 3: return will be much more part of the game. It's

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Speaker 3: gonna look different. But instead of people leaving and knowing

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Speaker 3: they can get a beer and a sandwich, you know,

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Speaker 3: because they're not gonna miss anything on the kickoff. They

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Speaker 3: feel now, yeah, fans are gonna want to see kickoff

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Speaker 3: returns because they're going to be happening more and they

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Speaker 3: could result in more big plays.

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Speaker 2: And that was John Harbos's point.

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Speaker 1: He spoke about it before the rule passed, but he

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Speaker 1: was in favor of it, and basically it makes that

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Speaker 1: play more significant and rather than that being a dead

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Speaker 1: it's the ball for sales out of the back of

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Speaker 1: the end zone. Now that play becomes exciting again, and

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Speaker 1: so I think that that is that's the benefit of

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Speaker 1: this rule change. I do think that the Ravens have

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Speaker 1: historically been a great special teams group. John Harbor's a

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Speaker 1: great special teams coach, has had great special teams coaches

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Speaker 1: under him throughout his time here, and so I think

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Speaker 1: the Ravens will have an advantage in that regard with hardball,

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Speaker 1: with Chris Horton, with Randy Brown, with the special teams

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Speaker 1: unit that's in place here, and they'll be able to

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Speaker 1: find ways to use that to their advantage. So I

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Speaker 1: like it for the Ravens. It'll be interesting to see, again,

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Speaker 1: similar to the hip drop tackle rule, how it alters

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Speaker 1: the game and how teams approach it and the strategy

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Speaker 1: behind it. I think some of that will take time

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Speaker 1: to kind of develop, but I do think it's bringing

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Speaker 1: more excitement into the game. And look, everybody's on board

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Speaker 1: with more excitement in the game, So I'm for it.

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Speaker 4: I'm for it me too.

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Speaker 1: So as always, you can email us the lounge at

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Speaker 1: Ravens dot NFL dot net. We always enjoy hearing from

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Speaker 1: the listeners and we'll continue to break down everything happening

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Speaker 1: over the course of this offseason. We're working on getting

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Speaker 1: some draft pundits on here, some of the guys that

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Speaker 1: of the next several weeks leading up to the draft.

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Speaker 2: It's now April.

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Speaker 1: The calendar is April, so that means that the draft,

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Speaker 1: it's Draft month, and we're really going to dive into

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Speaker 1: that from a content standpoint over the next few weeks,

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Speaker 1: and it's an exciting time of year.

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Speaker 2: So thank you so much for listening.

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