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Speaker 4: Welcome home, y'all.
Speaker 5: We have Ellie, Ellie, miss Salas coming up now to
Speaker 5: join us.
Speaker 4: Our Supreme Court expert.
Speaker 5: Is in the building and we are thrilled because we
Speaker 5: had We had lunch with him earlier and Ellie was
Speaker 5: breaking it down. This is his favorite thing to do.
Speaker 5: There's also a photo shoot happening on.
Speaker 3: This stay well you can, I say you have our
Speaker 3: lunch here. Come on, Honor. I want you all to know,
Speaker 3: thank you, Governor. We appreciate you being here. During our lunch,
Speaker 3: we Andrew and I had talked about if we were
Speaker 3: going to expand the court and we got to name
Speaker 3: some of the just who will we name?
Speaker 4: And I just want you ont to.
Speaker 3: Know where Angela RII called to serve on Scotus. Her
Speaker 3: answer was a resounding no, thank you.
Speaker 4: But what did I say I would do? What did
Speaker 4: you say? Our confirmation?
Speaker 3: Yes, and Ellie and her agreed they both just want
Speaker 3: to be nominated so they could have the hearing itself.
Speaker 4: Yes, Ellie, we're happy to have you.
Speaker 6: Hello, it's like Saturday morning.
Speaker 7: I love that, Angela Rye.
Speaker 8: I will tell you, Ellie, I have read the column
Speaker 8: you wrote in the Nation that it's impossible to overstate
Speaker 8: the damage done by the Supreme Court in this term.
Speaker 8: I've read that to so many people, giving it to
Speaker 8: so many people. I think that is one of the
Speaker 8: most important that people should be reading right now.
Speaker 9: Thank you so much. It is the issue to me
Speaker 9: is the issue of the moment. People forget that the
Speaker 9: Supreme Court is a third branch of government. It has
Speaker 9: just as much power the other two. And if you
Speaker 9: ask the Supreme Court, it has more power that's the
Speaker 9: other two because it thinks that it has a veto
Speaker 9: power over the branches of government that we elect. So
Speaker 9: as much as I love being at the Democratic National Convention,
Speaker 9: as much as I love voting rights, according to the
Speaker 9: Supreme Court, my votes just for show right because they
Speaker 9: are the ones who think that they have the real
Speaker 9: power to shape the laws and rights and responsibilities in
Speaker 9: this country.
Speaker 8: Why are more elected officiers just coming out and saying
Speaker 8: the Supreme Court is no longer a legitimate institution?
Speaker 6: Yeah? Why? Indeed, at some level, I'm happy they don't
Speaker 6: because I get a job.
Speaker 9: Oh why don't they? Why don't they say that? I
Speaker 9: think that there are a lot of reasons. One of
Speaker 9: the reasons is that we have we have elevated the
Speaker 9: Court to the status of clergy right, to the status
Speaker 9: of religion right, And so we have such a genuine
Speaker 9: flect and a respect for the Supreme Court that calling
Speaker 9: them to the carpet for their bs is not something
Speaker 9: that comes naturally for the other branches of government. Certainly
Speaker 9: doesn't come naturally for older established politicians.
Speaker 6: I think that's one problem. The second problem is that.
Speaker 9: You know, especially on my side of the aisle, on
Speaker 9: the black left, on the progres have left, we have
Speaker 9: institutional memory of when the Court was good, right, of
Speaker 9: when the Court was a leader for civil rights, a
Speaker 9: leader for voting rights right, and so we look back
Speaker 9: on those days and we think, well, we shouldn't be
Speaker 9: too harsh on the court now just because they don't
Speaker 9: agree with us. People forget the warrant court that eraror
Speaker 9: that I'm talking about, that was about like fifteen years.
Speaker 9: For the other two hundred and twenty years, the war
Speaker 9: has been one of the most reactionary branches of government.
Speaker 6: And in the country.
Speaker 9: It has routinely kept its foot on the neck of
Speaker 9: black and brown folks in this country. And you can
Speaker 9: go all the way back to eighteen fifty seven in
Speaker 9: the dread Scott decision where the Court, not the Constitution,
Speaker 9: not even the slavers who wrote the Constitution put this
Speaker 9: in their document, but the Supreme Court said a black
Speaker 9: man has no rights to the white man has bound
Speaker 9: to respect. That was a court decision, not a constitutional amendment. Right,
Speaker 9: that's eighteen fifty seven that start the Civil War. You
Speaker 9: can go all the way up to nineteen oh eight
Speaker 9: plus ev.
Speaker 6: Ferguson.
Speaker 9: That's the Supreme Court that said separate but equal is
Speaker 9: just fine and does not violate the Fourteenth Amendment. That
Speaker 9: people just fought and died and thought a whole war
Speaker 9: over right, that's the Supreme Court decision. So if you look,
Speaker 9: if you take a longer view, yeah, the Court's always on.
Speaker 4: It's bs a right ask you, Ellie.
Speaker 5: You know, I've been talking to folks a lot about
Speaker 5: how important it is for us to have our own
Speaker 5: legal defense fund, our own strategy, one to protect elected
Speaker 5: officials that the Department of Justice is targeting regardless of
Speaker 5: who's in power, but also to protect our civil rights
Speaker 5: and our interests. We saw affirmative action dismantled in this
Speaker 5: Supreme Court that you're talking about. What about us using
Speaker 5: that same approach to go after things like legacy admissions right,
Speaker 5: going after the contractors who use their white lives as
Speaker 5: front companies in the federal government and get some of
Speaker 5: those affirmative action benefits. What about using those same strategies.
Speaker 5: Have you thought, Okay, you ready to go ahead?
Speaker 9: So I'm gonna answer that question, but I want to
Speaker 9: I want to I want to pre answer that question
Speaker 9: with something right, because one of the questions I've gotten
Speaker 9: a lot, I've gotten a lot this convention from you know,
Speaker 9: average you know, random black delegates that are they're here
Speaker 9: at this event. How does Supreme Court import impact black people?
Speaker 9: And how is how are our rights affected by the
Speaker 9: Supreme Court? And one of the things that I always
Speaker 9: try to tell people is look at what they say
Speaker 9: in Project twenty twenty five. Yeah, because your question, Angela,
Speaker 9: it hearkens to there is an organization that is supposed
Speaker 9: to defend the civil.
Speaker 6: Rights of us.
Speaker 9: It is called the Department Division of Civil Rights in
Speaker 9: the Department of Justice.
Speaker 7: Ye.
Speaker 9: Look at what Project twenty twenty five says about the
Speaker 9: Civil Rights Division.
Speaker 6: It wants to change.
Speaker 9: The Civil Rights Rights Division, take it away from defending
Speaker 9: the rights of black people and instead defend the rights
Speaker 9: of wait for white folks. It wants to make the
Speaker 9: Civil Rights Division. And then this is again they wrote
Speaker 9: this down. They want to use the Civil Rights Division
Speaker 9: to sue companies that use what they're calling DEI and
Speaker 9: hire black people as violating the civil rights and the
Speaker 9: Fourteenth Amendment.
Speaker 6: Rights of white folks. Yeah, that's their plan.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 9: Right, So that's my pre answer in terms of to
Speaker 9: get to the heart of your question, like why don't
Speaker 9: we have more legal defense funds? And I will all
Speaker 9: just get shot out, shout out the und the BLACP
Speaker 9: Legal Defense Fund.
Speaker 6: J Day Nelson. I saw her here.
Speaker 5: Lawyers Committee, But they're designed to do something different. We
Speaker 5: need a proactive fighter like they do like, first, what
Speaker 5: is America America?
Speaker 9: Steven Miller thinks your problem with that is that you
Speaker 9: always run into the judges, you always run into the
Speaker 9: Supreme Court. Right, So I can I can give you
Speaker 9: the most eloquent, the most well researched, the most detailed
Speaker 9: lawsuit in the world. Neil Gorsich is going to rip
Speaker 9: that up and use it as toilet paper.
Speaker 6: That's real?
Speaker 7: Can we that's why?
Speaker 10: Can we invite you? Invite the rest of the audience
Speaker 10: into a question we asked earlier today when we were eating,
Speaker 10: which was we talked about the expansion of the court
Speaker 10: by expanding it by three seeds, right, because that's what
Speaker 10: that that expansion four seats. I think that would get
Speaker 10: us above basically where this whole ideological imbalance is. You
Speaker 10: offered what I thought was a revolutionary set of ideas,
Speaker 10: and I asked that you share that with our co listeners.
Speaker 6: Right. Look, I'm for corn expansion.
Speaker 9: The current plan on the table is adding four seats
Speaker 9: to match up with our thirteen circuits we have. We
Speaker 9: used to have nine circuits shortcuts regions of the country,
Speaker 9: and that gave us nine justices. Now we have thirteen
Speaker 9: lower circuits. Thirteen justices plus four. That's the thought process
Speaker 9: behind plus four. I am for plus twenty. I want
Speaker 9: us to have twenty nine judges on the Supreme Court.
Speaker 9: Does that sound a lot?
Speaker 6: It ain't.
Speaker 9: The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, which covers California, Arizona, Nevada,
Speaker 9: at Alaska, Hawaii, Washington, and Oregon, they have what twenty
Speaker 9: nine judges, right, So we're gonna find enough chairs to have.
Speaker 6: Twenty nine Supreme Court justices? Right? Number two?
Speaker 9: What does all the lower courts do? They hear their
Speaker 9: cases not as a twenty nine member body, but as
Speaker 9: a three member panel chosen by random lot. Can you
Speaker 9: imagine living in a country where you don't get to
Speaker 9: choose your judges? I'm sorry, can you imagine living in
Speaker 9: a country where white folks don't get.
Speaker 6: To choose their judges?
Speaker 2: Right? Yeah?
Speaker 9: That makes them like black folks, not getting the cheat, right.
Speaker 9: And so if you have a twenty nine member court,
Speaker 9: most cases are heard by a three judge panel. They
Speaker 9: don't know which judges are coming, which means they have
Speaker 9: to make their arguments center mass, as opposed to knowing
Speaker 9: that Alito or Roberts or Corsus is gonna be there
Speaker 9: to bail them out. And then my last point that
Speaker 9: I made that I made to Andrew at lunch was
Speaker 9: think about what we want the Supreme Court to do.
Speaker 6: We want it to have.
Speaker 9: Moderate center mass, universally agreeable decisions.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 9: The more people we have on the court, the more
Speaker 9: likely we are to get moderate decisions because more people
Speaker 9: make for narrow majorities trying to get everybody on the
Speaker 9: same page. Everybody can can nose this in their personal life.
Speaker 9: If you got to get four or five year boys
Speaker 9: to go to dinner, you might go to some places
Speaker 9: you ain't supposed to go. You might go to some
Speaker 9: places your wife doesn't want you to go. Right, you
Speaker 9: might end up at the club. Right, you gotta get
Speaker 9: twenty nine people at your family reunion to go to dinner.
Speaker 9: You're gonna go to Applebee's. Yeah, you're gonna go, Chelice. Yeah,
Speaker 9: you're gonna do some center mass and a dyne thing.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 9: So, when you were talking about a fifteen fourteen split
Speaker 9: decision on a twenty nine member of Supreme Court, I
Speaker 9: promise you getting those fifteen cats into the same opinion,
Speaker 9: it's gonna make it super narrow and super mainstream.
Speaker 6: Twenty nine is the number.
Speaker 4: A brilliant idea.
Speaker 6: You know it is, Ellie.
Speaker 5: You's brought up January sixth, and I know as you
Speaker 5: as you leave us, we before we get to can
Speaker 5: we at least just introduce the officer.
Speaker 3: Got so tight on this, Charlie, because I know you
Speaker 3: care a lot about the Supreme Heriot, I want you
Speaker 3: to ask your question, but I'll be very quick and
Speaker 3: introduce Officer Harry Dyne, who recently ran Foryl Hero.
Speaker 4: The recognize him.
Speaker 3: We saw him a lot during the impeachment hearing, but
Speaker 3: where we first met him was on that fateful day
Speaker 3: January sixth, when you saw somebody out there throwing bows,
Speaker 3: out there handling folks, and I just I you know,
Speaker 3: I love you, and I think you are an American hero,
Speaker 3: and it is our honor to have you tonight.
Speaker 4: So we're definitely going to get to you.
Speaker 3: But I do want Charlotte, cause arlat Mane is asked
Speaker 3: about the Supreme Court several times, so I'm curious to
Speaker 3: hear Charlemagne's question and Ellie's answer.
Speaker 8: It's just a narrative that I'm seeing, Like the more
Speaker 8: people call out the Supreme Court, they say that people
Speaker 8: are only calling out the Supreme Court now because it
Speaker 8: has a conservative majority. So could you tell us why
Speaker 8: it doesn't matter what the party majority is what they're
Speaker 8: actually doing.
Speaker 6: Yeah, So there are two answers to that question.
Speaker 9: One, Yeah, I hate their decisions and I want to
Speaker 9: do anything I can to stop them because their decisions
Speaker 9: are taking away rights. I don't run away from saying
Speaker 9: like I'm mad at the current Supreme Court. But what
Speaker 9: the higher the higher ideal here, right is that the
Speaker 9: Supreme Court as a whole has too much power. And
Speaker 9: I'd be saying that if it was a democratic or
Speaker 9: Supreme Court or the Republican Supreme Court, because the people
Speaker 9: in the system that are supposed to have the power
Speaker 9: are the voters, that's right, And the Supreme Court comes
Speaker 9: over the top of the voters and tells us what
Speaker 9: we're allowed to vote for, what we're allowed to believe,
Speaker 9: what we're allowed to pass legislatively. And that was never
Speaker 9: the intention. To my last answer your question, Federalists seventy eight.
Speaker 9: So the federalist papers are like the John Jay, John Adams,
Speaker 9: and Alexander Hamilton writing about what the constitution is supposed
Speaker 9: to be. Right, there is one Federalist paper about the
Speaker 9: Supreme Court. It's called Federal seventy eight, and in Federal
Speaker 9: seventy eight, Alexander Hamilton says the Supreme Court should be
Speaker 9: the least dangerous branch of government because it has neither
Speaker 9: the power of the purse that means it can't raise taxes,
Speaker 9: or the power of.
Speaker 6: The sword that means it doesn't have an army.
Speaker 9: The next time Alexander Hamilton would be as wrong, he'd
Speaker 9: be firing his gun up into the air.
Speaker 6: In New Jersey.
Speaker 9: Hey, that's how wrong that man was right. And so
Speaker 9: we need to get back to a dare I say conservative?
Speaker 9: Dare I say founding principle of the Supreme Court not
Speaker 9: being up? Or ask the entire time? That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 9: So I gotta go.
Speaker 6: Can I say one more thing? Officer done?
Speaker 9: So I've been at this convention, a lot of people
Speaker 9: ask to take my picture. I've asked to take my
Speaker 9: picture with two people, and one of them was officer Donefore.
Speaker 5: You came up, Ellie, I saw you picking out your
Speaker 5: half for you definitely gonna have to do what we
Speaker 5: take these handles. But I am so grateful for you, you know,
Speaker 5: what we love absolutely every time. And then if I
Speaker 5: know you have another special guest you like to bring up.
Speaker 4: Yes, please.
Speaker 3: So also on that day, on January sixth, Officer Done
Speaker 3: was joined in your your wonderful service. I'll help you
Speaker 3: with your uh heads and I don't I don't want
Speaker 3: to mispronounce your name, so tell tell us how to
Speaker 3: say your last name.
Speaker 4: Now, thank you.
Speaker 3: And you also had a herowing testimony during the impeachment
Speaker 3: hearings as well, So I just can't say enough how
Speaker 3: we are so thrilled to be joined by two American
Speaker 3: heroes that day. And I want to kick it off
Speaker 3: with you, Harry, because first of all, I love how
Speaker 3: when you would call my show, I would see you
Speaker 3: on other shows, and when you finally made Joe.
Speaker 11: Way to my show, she kept saying she was trying
Speaker 11: to get me booked, but I never got the message.
Speaker 7: So as soon as I heard, I said, let's do it.
Speaker 6: Sign it up.
Speaker 4: He came on immediately.
Speaker 3: But it was a whole you kept it a buck
Speaker 3: with me all the time. So I want to ask
Speaker 3: you now you know firsthand you were literally on the
Speaker 3: front lines wishing.
Speaker 4: The MF wood okay, and you let.
Speaker 3: A few people know. What are you most concerned about
Speaker 3: with this election cycle? And do you think that there
Speaker 3: is potential to see more political violence. I know we're
Speaker 3: keeping hope and talking, you know, a lot of positivity,
Speaker 3: but this is a real situation that exists out there
Speaker 3: with people who are disperporcately armed to the rest of us.
Speaker 4: What do you think about it?
Speaker 7: Let's talk about it. Accountability.
Speaker 11: Well, first of all, on January sixth, I did my
Speaker 11: job as a police officer. On January seventh, I did
Speaker 11: what I'm doing now to this day as an American
Speaker 11: citizen who loved his country. It wasn't even about Capitol
Speaker 11: Police from then to now, and I was fighting for
Speaker 11: accountability for everybody responsible for the downfalls of those days,
Speaker 11: including Donald Trump.
Speaker 7: Accountability serves two purposes.
Speaker 11: For the people who were aggrieved, they felt some type
Speaker 11: of harm. It provides some type of closure for them,
Speaker 11: and also it serves as deterrent. That hasn't happened yet,
Speaker 11: So what's to keep it from happening again? The Supreme
Speaker 11: Court that Ellie was just talking about, they just said
Speaker 11: Donald Trump cannot be held accountable for his actions that day, right,
Speaker 11: So what is to stop him from doing it again.
Speaker 11: If you remember, in the first in the debate with
Speaker 11: Joe Biden, they asked him three times, where you commit
Speaker 11: to accepting the results of the election. He couldn't answer it.
Speaker 11: So he's planning the seeds already to his supporters for
Speaker 11: the doubt. And that's what January sixth was about. It
Speaker 11: was about a lie.
Speaker 7: They thought.
Speaker 11: He told his followers, his cultist that the election was
Speaker 11: stolen and that's all they needed. If the most powerful
Speaker 11: person in the world tells you go march on the Capitol,
Speaker 11: then you're gonna go do it. I mean, my mama
Speaker 11: tell me do anything. I'm empowered. Can't nobody tell me
Speaker 11: do nothing. Imagine the most powerful man in the world saying,
Speaker 11: go do it. You're gonna feel empowered to do it.
Speaker 11: So he's already planting those seeds. And yes to answer question,
Speaker 11: yes it can't happen again, and there's nothing really stopping
Speaker 11: it from happening again.
Speaker 8: But us, but us, Hello, what did what did y'all
Speaker 8: think was happening on that day when everything first started
Speaker 8: you know occurring?
Speaker 12: I mean it, you know, at first we thought that
Speaker 12: it was gonna be non violence. There was good litterus
Speaker 12: curmishes like we normally we do from time to time,
Speaker 12: but not to the level that the very same president
Speaker 12: who's supposed to have that world being of the country
Speaker 12: put in Jipardy the safety of every elect officials in
Speaker 12: the capital, and then not only did he do that,
Speaker 12: then he sat that sat on his behind and not
Speaker 12: do anything to prevent any further violence. When I was
Speaker 12: in the tunnel fighting with a mob roughly forty thirty two,
Speaker 12: forty officers side by side, showed to shoulder fighting, holding
Speaker 12: down the line in the tunnel, I was asking myself
Speaker 12: the very same question, what the heck is the president?
Speaker 6: And I used it.
Speaker 2: I'm using that.
Speaker 12: As with a less colorful word, what what the what
Speaker 12: the fuck is the president? I don't know if I
Speaker 12: could curse or not, but in my mind, I was like,
Speaker 12: what the fuck is the president?
Speaker 2: Where is our help? Where is that reinforcement?
Speaker 12: Because this happened in broad daylight, sixteen blocks away from
Speaker 12: the capital. Me as a military person, as a veteran,
Speaker 12: as somebody who went to Camba, and I know the
Speaker 12: chain command.
Speaker 2: The chain command ends.
Speaker 12: At and begins with the commander in chief, who was
Speaker 12: the commanding in chief at that day, Donald Trump.
Speaker 2: What did he do?
Speaker 12: He put everybody inside the building, including the officers at
Speaker 12: life Arrests, and we protected joined at the official Whether
Speaker 12: you were from Georgia or California or New York, we
Speaker 12: were protected the same. I didn't care whether we were
Speaker 12: it was AOC or Myelian Green, I didn't care. We
Speaker 12: protected both the same. And to hear that today, there's
Speaker 12: a report that he's planning to do a gala for
Speaker 12: the January six sister writers.
Speaker 13: January for next month, next month, for next month, not
Speaker 13: for the officers who risk their lives, because they claim
Speaker 13: that we are the party of law and order.
Speaker 2: We are the party that supports law, the rule law.
Speaker 2: We are the party who support the police.
Speaker 12: How is that supporting the police if you are celebrating
Speaker 12: and uh not denouncing the violence that people did to
Speaker 12: the officers.
Speaker 2: People died. And that's what I did last night.
Speaker 12: I tried to convey that in my in my speech
Speaker 12: last night, because look, my story is not it's something
Speaker 12: that everybody should know. I'm literally the embodiment of that
Speaker 12: type of immigrant that they are. Republicans say that they
Speaker 12: won in this country and asking ask me how many
Speaker 12: of electrificial Republicans have talked to me about what happened
Speaker 12: to me on Joanney six two, Liz Cheney, Liz Cheney
Speaker 12: and had the kinstinger.
Speaker 2: Nobody else.
Speaker 12: I had passed a lot of them, and no, no, no, no,
Speaker 12: even can get themselves to say I'm sorry for what
Speaker 12: happened to you now that I'm asking thank you for
Speaker 12: what you did. Look, I came here when I was twelve.
Speaker 12: I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: I came here when I was twelve.
Speaker 12: I struggle first, you know, with family, with adapting, assimilating,
Speaker 12: but I overcome those things. I got an education, I
Speaker 12: joined the military. I went to fight for this country
Speaker 12: overseas when my government told me too. Whether I liked
Speaker 12: it or not, I did my job there. I kept
Speaker 12: my duty in my oath. When I came back, I
Speaker 12: finished my education, and then I became a Capitol.
Speaker 2: Police officer, where I.
Speaker 12: Was for seventeen years until the injuries that people that
Speaker 12: claimed that love police officers agreed with me. They damaged
Speaker 12: my body, damaged my health, damaged my career. And then
Speaker 12: they had the audacity to tell me I did it
Speaker 12: for you, And then they called me you are a
Speaker 12: trader because you stopped me and my people like minded
Speaker 12: people like me that support Donald Trump.
Speaker 5: Well, you're certainly not a trader, neither of you.
Speaker 2: You are heroes.
Speaker 6: And even if Donald Trump, I won't.
Speaker 5: Tell you thank you, thank you for your service.
Speaker 10: Bottom of a heart.
Speaker 8: I just want to know how did y'all show reach
Speaker 8: strength and not turn it into a bloodbath.
Speaker 2: Because.
Speaker 7: If it was about restraint, man, it was just about survival.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 2: I had.
Speaker 11: I was armed that day with a long gun AR fifteen.
Speaker 11: You know the ones, the guns that were on streets, right,
Speaker 11: they know they're the ones that we don't need on
Speaker 11: the streets anymore. But I wasn't going down in the
Speaker 11: crowd of you going there. You pull your gun out.
Speaker 11: Our former chief wrote the book, we were out number
Speaker 11: fifty eight to one. You pull your gun out. Then
Speaker 11: what which one you're gonna shoot?
Speaker 7: Who do you show? Who do you shoot first?
Speaker 11: You can't just fire indiscriminately, And I think that just
Speaker 11: shows the professionalism of.
Speaker 7: What police should be, what should be not just when
Speaker 7: the bust somebody pot of hot water.
Speaker 2: Look, we were just defied to use me to force.
Speaker 12: We chose now to because we didn't know who was
Speaker 12: had weapons in their side and in my belief when
Speaker 12: I faced that dec issue, because I almost did, especially
Speaker 12: when they were draggon.
Speaker 2: Whatever happened to fan fun relieve me.
Speaker 12: And when I got a chance to go back into
Speaker 12: the fight, people were trying to pull me into the
Speaker 12: crowd and I didn't do it because somebody else hit
Speaker 12: another officer, the person who was dragging me. That that
Speaker 12: my shoulder. By then I was hurt and injured. Look,
Speaker 12: we were justified to use little force. What we didn't
Speaker 12: want to do was create a bigger situation that we're
Speaker 12: already our number anyway. Yeah, Look, if you want to
Speaker 12: hear more about our story, Harry.
Speaker 2: Harry has a that dude right there. Yeah, he has
Speaker 2: a book called Standing My Ground.
Speaker 12: I have a book telling my story, the immigrant story,
Speaker 12: that set military story, and the.
Speaker 2: Police officer story.
Speaker 12: My book is called American Shield, The Immigrant Serjeant who
Speaker 12: Defended Democracy. I also use a policy a website where
Speaker 12: you guys could learn a little more about myself and
Speaker 12: the sacrifices that I had done to this country.
Speaker 2: Thank you for having us.
Speaker 4: I'm not taking.
Speaker 2: Future bio Smith.
Speaker 5: Thank you guys so much, Thank you guys so much,
Speaker 5: Thank you guys so much.
Speaker 4: We thank you. I am too. I am so glad you.
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