1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:04,600 Speaker 1: Native Land Pod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership 2 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:06,280 Speaker 1: with Reason Choice Media. 3 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:09,800 Speaker 2: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome. 4 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:12,239 Speaker 3: Welcome, heyvam, You're about to hear a replay of one 5 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 3: of our interviews from our live stream at the Democratic 6 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:18,079 Speaker 3: National Convention. Now. If you want to listen to or 7 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:21,120 Speaker 3: watch the full stream, be sure to check out links 8 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:23,800 Speaker 3: in the episode description. You can also find a full 9 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 3: list of all the guests we've interviewed. 10 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 4: Welcome home, y'all. 11 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 5: We have Ellie, Ellie, miss Salas coming up now to 12 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 5: join us. 13 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:35,239 Speaker 4: Our Supreme Court expert. 14 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:38,479 Speaker 5: Is in the building and we are thrilled because we 15 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 5: had We had lunch with him earlier and Ellie was 16 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 5: breaking it down. This is his favorite thing to do. 17 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 5: There's also a photo shoot happening on. 18 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 3: This stay well you can, I say you have our 19 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 3: lunch here. Come on, Honor. I want you all to know, 20 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 3: thank you, Governor. We appreciate you being here. During our lunch, 21 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:56,639 Speaker 3: we Andrew and I had talked about if we were 22 00:00:56,680 --> 00:00:59,280 Speaker 3: going to expand the court and we got to name 23 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 3: some of the just who will we name? 24 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 4: And I just want you ont to. 25 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:06,320 Speaker 3: Know where Angela RII called to serve on Scotus. Her 26 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 3: answer was a resounding no, thank you. 27 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 4: But what did I say I would do? What did 28 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 4: you say? Our confirmation? 29 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 3: Yes, and Ellie and her agreed they both just want 30 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 3: to be nominated so they could have the hearing itself. 31 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 4: Yes, Ellie, we're happy to have you. 32 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 6: Hello, it's like Saturday morning. 33 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 7: I love that, Angela Rye. 34 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 8: I will tell you, Ellie, I have read the column 35 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:31,120 Speaker 8: you wrote in the Nation that it's impossible to overstate 36 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 8: the damage done by the Supreme Court in this term. 37 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:35,399 Speaker 8: I've read that to so many people, giving it to 38 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 8: so many people. I think that is one of the 39 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 8: most important that people should be reading right now. 40 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 9: Thank you so much. It is the issue to me 41 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 9: is the issue of the moment. People forget that the 42 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 9: Supreme Court is a third branch of government. It has 43 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 9: just as much power the other two. And if you 44 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 9: ask the Supreme Court, it has more power that's the 45 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 9: other two because it thinks that it has a veto 46 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 9: power over the branches of government that we elect. So 47 00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 9: as much as I love being at the Democratic National Convention, 48 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 9: as much as I love voting rights, according to the 49 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 9: Supreme Court, my votes just for show right because they 50 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 9: are the ones who think that they have the real 51 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 9: power to shape the laws and rights and responsibilities in 52 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 9: this country. 53 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:11,960 Speaker 8: Why are more elected officiers just coming out and saying 54 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 8: the Supreme Court is no longer a legitimate institution? 55 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:20,079 Speaker 6: Yeah? Why? Indeed, at some level, I'm happy they don't 56 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:20,839 Speaker 6: because I get a job. 57 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 9: Oh why don't they? Why don't they say that? I 58 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 9: think that there are a lot of reasons. One of 59 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 9: the reasons is that we have we have elevated the 60 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 9: Court to the status of clergy right, to the status 61 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 9: of religion right, And so we have such a genuine 62 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 9: flect and a respect for the Supreme Court that calling 63 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 9: them to the carpet for their bs is not something 64 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 9: that comes naturally for the other branches of government. Certainly 65 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:53,399 Speaker 9: doesn't come naturally for older established politicians. 66 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 6: I think that's one problem. The second problem is that. 67 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:58,920 Speaker 9: You know, especially on my side of the aisle, on 68 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:01,240 Speaker 9: the black left, on the progres have left, we have 69 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 9: institutional memory of when the Court was good, right, of 70 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:08,800 Speaker 9: when the Court was a leader for civil rights, a 71 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 9: leader for voting rights right, and so we look back 72 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 9: on those days and we think, well, we shouldn't be 73 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 9: too harsh on the court now just because they don't 74 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 9: agree with us. People forget the warrant court that eraror 75 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:21,399 Speaker 9: that I'm talking about, that was about like fifteen years. 76 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 9: For the other two hundred and twenty years, the war 77 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 9: has been one of the most reactionary branches of government. 78 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 6: And in the country. 79 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 9: It has routinely kept its foot on the neck of 80 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:34,240 Speaker 9: black and brown folks in this country. And you can 81 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 9: go all the way back to eighteen fifty seven in 82 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 9: the dread Scott decision where the Court, not the Constitution, 83 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 9: not even the slavers who wrote the Constitution put this 84 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 9: in their document, but the Supreme Court said a black 85 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 9: man has no rights to the white man has bound 86 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 9: to respect. That was a court decision, not a constitutional amendment. Right, 87 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 9: that's eighteen fifty seven that start the Civil War. You 88 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 9: can go all the way up to nineteen oh eight 89 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 9: plus ev. 90 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 6: Ferguson. 91 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 9: That's the Supreme Court that said separate but equal is 92 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 9: just fine and does not violate the Fourteenth Amendment. That 93 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 9: people just fought and died and thought a whole war 94 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 9: over right, that's the Supreme Court decision. So if you look, 95 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 9: if you take a longer view, yeah, the Court's always on. 96 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 4: It's bs a right ask you, Ellie. 97 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 5: You know, I've been talking to folks a lot about 98 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 5: how important it is for us to have our own 99 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 5: legal defense fund, our own strategy, one to protect elected 100 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:23,839 Speaker 5: officials that the Department of Justice is targeting regardless of 101 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 5: who's in power, but also to protect our civil rights 102 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 5: and our interests. We saw affirmative action dismantled in this 103 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 5: Supreme Court that you're talking about. What about us using 104 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:37,159 Speaker 5: that same approach to go after things like legacy admissions right, 105 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:39,920 Speaker 5: going after the contractors who use their white lives as 106 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 5: front companies in the federal government and get some of 107 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 5: those affirmative action benefits. What about using those same strategies. 108 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:47,160 Speaker 5: Have you thought, Okay, you ready to go ahead? 109 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:48,480 Speaker 9: So I'm gonna answer that question, but I want to 110 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 9: I want to I want to pre answer that question 111 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 9: with something right, because one of the questions I've gotten 112 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 9: a lot, I've gotten a lot this convention from you know, 113 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 9: average you know, random black delegates that are they're here 114 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:02,479 Speaker 9: at this event. How does Supreme Court import impact black people? 115 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 9: And how is how are our rights affected by the 116 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 9: Supreme Court? And one of the things that I always 117 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 9: try to tell people is look at what they say 118 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 9: in Project twenty twenty five. Yeah, because your question, Angela, 119 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 9: it hearkens to there is an organization that is supposed 120 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 9: to defend the civil. 121 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:17,799 Speaker 6: Rights of us. 122 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:20,359 Speaker 9: It is called the Department Division of Civil Rights in 123 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 9: the Department of Justice. 124 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:21,599 Speaker 7: Ye. 125 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:24,839 Speaker 9: Look at what Project twenty twenty five says about the 126 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 9: Civil Rights Division. 127 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:28,040 Speaker 6: It wants to change. 128 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:31,040 Speaker 9: The Civil Rights Rights Division, take it away from defending 129 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 9: the rights of black people and instead defend the rights 130 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 9: of wait for white folks. It wants to make the 131 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:37,679 Speaker 9: Civil Rights Division. And then this is again they wrote 132 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:40,599 Speaker 9: this down. They want to use the Civil Rights Division 133 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:46,600 Speaker 9: to sue companies that use what they're calling DEI and 134 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 9: hire black people as violating the civil rights and the 135 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:52,040 Speaker 9: Fourteenth Amendment. 136 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:54,559 Speaker 6: Rights of white folks. Yeah, that's their plan. 137 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 2: Wow. 138 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 9: Right, So that's my pre answer in terms of to 139 00:05:58,520 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 9: get to the heart of your question, like why don't 140 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:02,160 Speaker 9: we have more legal defense funds? And I will all 141 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 9: just get shot out, shout out the und the BLACP 142 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:04,839 Speaker 9: Legal Defense Fund. 143 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:06,600 Speaker 6: J Day Nelson. I saw her here. 144 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 5: Lawyers Committee, But they're designed to do something different. We 145 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 5: need a proactive fighter like they do like, first, what 146 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 5: is America America? 147 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 9: Steven Miller thinks your problem with that is that you 148 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:20,479 Speaker 9: always run into the judges, you always run into the 149 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 9: Supreme Court. Right, So I can I can give you 150 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:26,719 Speaker 9: the most eloquent, the most well researched, the most detailed 151 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 9: lawsuit in the world. Neil Gorsich is going to rip 152 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:32,159 Speaker 9: that up and use it as toilet paper. 153 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 6: That's real? 154 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 7: Can we that's why? 155 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:36,480 Speaker 10: Can we invite you? Invite the rest of the audience 156 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:38,840 Speaker 10: into a question we asked earlier today when we were eating, 157 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 10: which was we talked about the expansion of the court 158 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:45,600 Speaker 10: by expanding it by three seeds, right, because that's what 159 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 10: that that expansion four seats. I think that would get 160 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 10: us above basically where this whole ideological imbalance is. You 161 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 10: offered what I thought was a revolutionary set of ideas, 162 00:06:56,839 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 10: and I asked that you share that with our co listeners. 163 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 6: Right. Look, I'm for corn expansion. 164 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:03,119 Speaker 9: The current plan on the table is adding four seats 165 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:05,279 Speaker 9: to match up with our thirteen circuits we have. We 166 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 9: used to have nine circuits shortcuts regions of the country, 167 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 9: and that gave us nine justices. Now we have thirteen 168 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 9: lower circuits. Thirteen justices plus four. That's the thought process 169 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 9: behind plus four. I am for plus twenty. I want 170 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 9: us to have twenty nine judges on the Supreme Court. 171 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 9: Does that sound a lot? 172 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 6: It ain't. 173 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 9: The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, which covers California, Arizona, Nevada, 174 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 9: at Alaska, Hawaii, Washington, and Oregon, they have what twenty 175 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 9: nine judges, right, So we're gonna find enough chairs to have. 176 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 6: Twenty nine Supreme Court justices? Right? Number two? 177 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 9: What does all the lower courts do? They hear their 178 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 9: cases not as a twenty nine member body, but as 179 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 9: a three member panel chosen by random lot. Can you 180 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 9: imagine living in a country where you don't get to 181 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 9: choose your judges? I'm sorry, can you imagine living in 182 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 9: a country where white folks don't get. 183 00:07:58,600 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 6: To choose their judges? 184 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 2: Right? Yeah? 185 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 9: That makes them like black folks, not getting the cheat, right. 186 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 9: And so if you have a twenty nine member court, 187 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 9: most cases are heard by a three judge panel. They 188 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:10,680 Speaker 9: don't know which judges are coming, which means they have 189 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 9: to make their arguments center mass, as opposed to knowing 190 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 9: that Alito or Roberts or Corsus is gonna be there 191 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 9: to bail them out. And then my last point that 192 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 9: I made that I made to Andrew at lunch was 193 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 9: think about what we want the Supreme Court to do. 194 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 6: We want it to have. 195 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 9: Moderate center mass, universally agreeable decisions. 196 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 6: Right. 197 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 9: The more people we have on the court, the more 198 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 9: likely we are to get moderate decisions because more people 199 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 9: make for narrow majorities trying to get everybody on the 200 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 9: same page. Everybody can can nose this in their personal life. 201 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 9: If you got to get four or five year boys 202 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:48,440 Speaker 9: to go to dinner, you might go to some places 203 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 9: you ain't supposed to go. You might go to some 204 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:51,079 Speaker 9: places your wife doesn't want you to go. Right, you 205 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 9: might end up at the club. Right, you gotta get 206 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:56,959 Speaker 9: twenty nine people at your family reunion to go to dinner. 207 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 9: You're gonna go to Applebee's. Yeah, you're gonna go, Chelice. Yeah, 208 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:04,320 Speaker 9: you're gonna do some center mass and a dyne thing. 209 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:04,719 Speaker 2: Right. 210 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 9: So, when you were talking about a fifteen fourteen split 211 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:10,079 Speaker 9: decision on a twenty nine member of Supreme Court, I 212 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 9: promise you getting those fifteen cats into the same opinion, 213 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 9: it's gonna make it super narrow and super mainstream. 214 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:18,079 Speaker 6: Twenty nine is the number. 215 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 4: A brilliant idea. 216 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 6: You know it is, Ellie. 217 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 5: You's brought up January sixth, and I know as you 218 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:36,439 Speaker 5: as you leave us, we before we get to can 219 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:38,559 Speaker 5: we at least just introduce the officer. 220 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 3: Got so tight on this, Charlie, because I know you 221 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:48,679 Speaker 3: care a lot about the Supreme Heriot, I want you 222 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 3: to ask your question, but I'll be very quick and 223 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 3: introduce Officer Harry Dyne, who recently ran Foryl Hero. 224 00:09:57,720 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 4: The recognize him. 225 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 3: We saw him a lot during the impeachment hearing, but 226 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:05,199 Speaker 3: where we first met him was on that fateful day 227 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 3: January sixth, when you saw somebody out there throwing bows, 228 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 3: out there handling folks, and I just I you know, 229 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 3: I love you, and I think you are an American hero, 230 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 3: and it is our honor to have you tonight. 231 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 4: So we're definitely going to get to you. 232 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 3: But I do want Charlotte, cause arlat Mane is asked 233 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 3: about the Supreme Court several times, so I'm curious to 234 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 3: hear Charlemagne's question and Ellie's answer. 235 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 8: It's just a narrative that I'm seeing, Like the more 236 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:32,319 Speaker 8: people call out the Supreme Court, they say that people 237 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 8: are only calling out the Supreme Court now because it 238 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:37,439 Speaker 8: has a conservative majority. So could you tell us why 239 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 8: it doesn't matter what the party majority is what they're 240 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 8: actually doing. 241 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 6: Yeah, So there are two answers to that question. 242 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 9: One, Yeah, I hate their decisions and I want to 243 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 9: do anything I can to stop them because their decisions 244 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 9: are taking away rights. I don't run away from saying 245 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 9: like I'm mad at the current Supreme Court. But what 246 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 9: the higher the higher ideal here, right is that the 247 00:10:56,760 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 9: Supreme Court as a whole has too much power. And 248 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 9: I'd be saying that if it was a democratic or 249 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 9: Supreme Court or the Republican Supreme Court, because the people 250 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 9: in the system that are supposed to have the power 251 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:08,959 Speaker 9: are the voters, that's right, And the Supreme Court comes 252 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:11,840 Speaker 9: over the top of the voters and tells us what 253 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:14,680 Speaker 9: we're allowed to vote for, what we're allowed to believe, 254 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 9: what we're allowed to pass legislatively. And that was never 255 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:21,080 Speaker 9: the intention. To my last answer your question, Federalists seventy eight. 256 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 9: So the federalist papers are like the John Jay, John Adams, 257 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 9: and Alexander Hamilton writing about what the constitution is supposed 258 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 9: to be. Right, there is one Federalist paper about the 259 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 9: Supreme Court. It's called Federal seventy eight, and in Federal 260 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:36,440 Speaker 9: seventy eight, Alexander Hamilton says the Supreme Court should be 261 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 9: the least dangerous branch of government because it has neither 262 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 9: the power of the purse that means it can't raise taxes, 263 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 9: or the power of. 264 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:44,959 Speaker 6: The sword that means it doesn't have an army. 265 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 9: The next time Alexander Hamilton would be as wrong, he'd 266 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 9: be firing his gun up into the air. 267 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:51,560 Speaker 6: In New Jersey. 268 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:54,320 Speaker 9: Hey, that's how wrong that man was right. And so 269 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:57,559 Speaker 9: we need to get back to a dare I say conservative? 270 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 9: Dare I say founding principle of the Supreme Court not 271 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 9: being up? Or ask the entire time? That's what I'm saying. 272 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:06,200 Speaker 9: So I gotta go. 273 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 6: Can I say one more thing? Officer done? 274 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:11,200 Speaker 9: So I've been at this convention, a lot of people 275 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 9: ask to take my picture. I've asked to take my 276 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:28,079 Speaker 9: picture with two people, and one of them was officer Donefore. 277 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 5: You came up, Ellie, I saw you picking out your 278 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 5: half for you definitely gonna have to do what we 279 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 5: take these handles. But I am so grateful for you, you know, 280 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:33,960 Speaker 5: what we love absolutely every time. And then if I 281 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 5: know you have another special guest you like to bring up. 282 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 4: Yes, please. 283 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 3: So also on that day, on January sixth, Officer Done 284 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:46,720 Speaker 3: was joined in your your wonderful service. I'll help you 285 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:51,319 Speaker 3: with your uh heads and I don't I don't want 286 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:53,560 Speaker 3: to mispronounce your name, so tell tell us how to 287 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 3: say your last name. 288 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 4: Now, thank you. 289 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:04,840 Speaker 3: And you also had a herowing testimony during the impeachment 290 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 3: hearings as well, So I just can't say enough how 291 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 3: we are so thrilled to be joined by two American 292 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 3: heroes that day. And I want to kick it off 293 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 3: with you, Harry, because first of all, I love how 294 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 3: when you would call my show, I would see you 295 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:19,680 Speaker 3: on other shows, and when you finally made Joe. 296 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:23,960 Speaker 11: Way to my show, she kept saying she was trying 297 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 11: to get me booked, but I never got the message. 298 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 7: So as soon as I heard, I said, let's do it. 299 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:28,840 Speaker 6: Sign it up. 300 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 4: He came on immediately. 301 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:31,680 Speaker 3: But it was a whole you kept it a buck 302 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 3: with me all the time. So I want to ask 303 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 3: you now you know firsthand you were literally on the 304 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 3: front lines wishing. 305 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:42,960 Speaker 4: The MF wood okay, and you let. 306 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 3: A few people know. What are you most concerned about 307 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 3: with this election cycle? And do you think that there 308 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:50,959 Speaker 3: is potential to see more political violence. I know we're 309 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:54,359 Speaker 3: keeping hope and talking, you know, a lot of positivity, 310 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:56,960 Speaker 3: but this is a real situation that exists out there 311 00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 3: with people who are disperporcately armed to the rest of us. 312 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:00,320 Speaker 4: What do you think about it? 313 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:02,559 Speaker 7: Let's talk about it. Accountability. 314 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 11: Well, first of all, on January sixth, I did my 315 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 11: job as a police officer. On January seventh, I did 316 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:11,199 Speaker 11: what I'm doing now to this day as an American 317 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:13,840 Speaker 11: citizen who loved his country. It wasn't even about Capitol 318 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 11: Police from then to now, and I was fighting for 319 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 11: accountability for everybody responsible for the downfalls of those days, 320 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 11: including Donald Trump. 321 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 7: Accountability serves two purposes. 322 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 11: For the people who were aggrieved, they felt some type 323 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 11: of harm. It provides some type of closure for them, 324 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 11: and also it serves as deterrent. That hasn't happened yet, 325 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 11: So what's to keep it from happening again? The Supreme 326 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 11: Court that Ellie was just talking about, they just said 327 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 11: Donald Trump cannot be held accountable for his actions that day, right, 328 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 11: So what is to stop him from doing it again. 329 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 11: If you remember, in the first in the debate with 330 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 11: Joe Biden, they asked him three times, where you commit 331 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 11: to accepting the results of the election. He couldn't answer it. 332 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 11: So he's planning the seeds already to his supporters for 333 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 11: the doubt. And that's what January sixth was about. It 334 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 11: was about a lie. 335 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 7: They thought. 336 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 11: He told his followers, his cultist that the election was 337 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 11: stolen and that's all they needed. If the most powerful 338 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 11: person in the world tells you go march on the Capitol, 339 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 11: then you're gonna go do it. I mean, my mama 340 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 11: tell me do anything. I'm empowered. Can't nobody tell me 341 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 11: do nothing. Imagine the most powerful man in the world saying, 342 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 11: go do it. You're gonna feel empowered to do it. 343 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 11: So he's already planting those seeds. And yes to answer question, 344 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 11: yes it can't happen again, and there's nothing really stopping 345 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 11: it from happening again. 346 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 8: But us, but us, Hello, what did what did y'all 347 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 8: think was happening on that day when everything first started 348 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 8: you know occurring? 349 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 12: I mean it, you know, at first we thought that 350 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 12: it was gonna be non violence. There was good litterus 351 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 12: curmishes like we normally we do from time to time, 352 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 12: but not to the level that the very same president 353 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 12: who's supposed to have that world being of the country 354 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 12: put in Jipardy the safety of every elect officials in 355 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 12: the capital, and then not only did he do that, 356 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 12: then he sat that sat on his behind and not 357 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 12: do anything to prevent any further violence. When I was 358 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 12: in the tunnel fighting with a mob roughly forty thirty two, 359 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 12: forty officers side by side, showed to shoulder fighting, holding 360 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 12: down the line in the tunnel, I was asking myself 361 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 12: the very same question, what the heck is the president? 362 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 6: And I used it. 363 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 2: I'm using that. 364 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 12: As with a less colorful word, what what the what 365 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 12: the fuck is the president? I don't know if I 366 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 12: could curse or not, but in my mind, I was like, 367 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 12: what the fuck is the president? 368 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:40,479 Speaker 2: Where is our help? Where is that reinforcement? 369 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 12: Because this happened in broad daylight, sixteen blocks away from 370 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 12: the capital. Me as a military person, as a veteran, 371 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 12: as somebody who went to Camba, and I know the 372 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 12: chain command. 373 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 2: The chain command ends. 374 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 12: At and begins with the commander in chief, who was 375 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 12: the commanding in chief at that day, Donald Trump. 376 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 2: What did he do? 377 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 12: He put everybody inside the building, including the officers at 378 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 12: life Arrests, and we protected joined at the official Whether 379 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:14,680 Speaker 12: you were from Georgia or California or New York, we 380 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 12: were protected the same. I didn't care whether we were 381 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:22,159 Speaker 12: it was AOC or Myelian Green, I didn't care. We 382 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 12: protected both the same. And to hear that today, there's 383 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:29,159 Speaker 12: a report that he's planning to do a gala for 384 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:37,879 Speaker 12: the January six sister writers. 385 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 13: January for next month, next month, for next month, not 386 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:42,520 Speaker 13: for the officers who risk their lives, because they claim 387 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 13: that we are the party of law and order. 388 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:49,200 Speaker 2: We are the party that supports law, the rule law. 389 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:50,919 Speaker 2: We are the party who support the police. 390 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 12: How is that supporting the police if you are celebrating 391 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:59,879 Speaker 12: and uh not denouncing the violence that people did to 392 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 12: the officers. 393 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:04,680 Speaker 2: People died. And that's what I did last night. 394 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 12: I tried to convey that in my in my speech 395 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:13,119 Speaker 12: last night, because look, my story is not it's something 396 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:17,879 Speaker 12: that everybody should know. I'm literally the embodiment of that 397 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 12: type of immigrant that they are. Republicans say that they 398 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 12: won in this country and asking ask me how many 399 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:29,199 Speaker 12: of electrificial Republicans have talked to me about what happened 400 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 12: to me on Joanney six two, Liz Cheney, Liz Cheney 401 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:34,200 Speaker 12: and had the kinstinger. 402 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:35,480 Speaker 2: Nobody else. 403 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:38,960 Speaker 12: I had passed a lot of them, and no, no, no, no, 404 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:42,199 Speaker 12: even can get themselves to say I'm sorry for what 405 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:45,399 Speaker 12: happened to you now that I'm asking thank you for 406 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 12: what you did. Look, I came here when I was twelve. 407 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 12: I'm sorry. 408 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 2: I came here when I was twelve. 409 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 12: I struggle first, you know, with family, with adapting, assimilating, 410 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 12: but I overcome those things. I got an education, I 411 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 12: joined the military. I went to fight for this country 412 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:08,240 Speaker 12: overseas when my government told me too. Whether I liked 413 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 12: it or not, I did my job there. I kept 414 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:12,679 Speaker 12: my duty in my oath. When I came back, I 415 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 12: finished my education, and then I became a Capitol. 416 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 2: Police officer, where I. 417 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:22,639 Speaker 12: Was for seventeen years until the injuries that people that 418 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:26,360 Speaker 12: claimed that love police officers agreed with me. They damaged 419 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 12: my body, damaged my health, damaged my career. And then 420 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 12: they had the audacity to tell me I did it 421 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:34,399 Speaker 12: for you, And then they called me you are a 422 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:38,920 Speaker 12: trader because you stopped me and my people like minded 423 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:41,159 Speaker 12: people like me that support Donald Trump. 424 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:43,359 Speaker 5: Well, you're certainly not a trader, neither of you. 425 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:43,960 Speaker 2: You are heroes. 426 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:45,880 Speaker 6: And even if Donald Trump, I won't. 427 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:48,640 Speaker 5: Tell you thank you, thank you for your service. 428 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 10: Bottom of a heart. 429 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 8: I just want to know how did y'all show reach 430 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 8: strength and not turn it into a bloodbath. 431 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 2: Because. 432 00:19:57,080 --> 00:19:59,440 Speaker 7: If it was about restraint, man, it was just about survival. 433 00:19:59,440 --> 00:19:59,640 Speaker 6: Man. 434 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 2: I had. 435 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 11: I was armed that day with a long gun AR fifteen. 436 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:06,159 Speaker 11: You know the ones, the guns that were on streets, right, 437 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 11: they know they're the ones that we don't need on 438 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:11,399 Speaker 11: the streets anymore. But I wasn't going down in the 439 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 11: crowd of you going there. You pull your gun out. 440 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 11: Our former chief wrote the book, we were out number 441 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:17,680 Speaker 11: fifty eight to one. You pull your gun out. Then 442 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:19,879 Speaker 11: what which one you're gonna shoot? 443 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:21,640 Speaker 7: Who do you show? Who do you shoot first? 444 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 11: You can't just fire indiscriminately, And I think that just 445 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 11: shows the professionalism of. 446 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:30,159 Speaker 7: What police should be, what should be not just when 447 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:32,640 Speaker 7: the bust somebody pot of hot water. 448 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 2: Look, we were just defied to use me to force. 449 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 12: We chose now to because we didn't know who was 450 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:40,680 Speaker 12: had weapons in their side and in my belief when 451 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:43,359 Speaker 12: I faced that dec issue, because I almost did, especially 452 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:44,480 Speaker 12: when they were draggon. 453 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:47,440 Speaker 2: Whatever happened to fan fun relieve me. 454 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:51,080 Speaker 12: And when I got a chance to go back into 455 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 12: the fight, people were trying to pull me into the 456 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:58,920 Speaker 12: crowd and I didn't do it because somebody else hit 457 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 12: another officer, the person who was dragging me. That that 458 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:05,400 Speaker 12: my shoulder. By then I was hurt and injured. Look, 459 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:08,920 Speaker 12: we were justified to use little force. What we didn't 460 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:12,400 Speaker 12: want to do was create a bigger situation that we're 461 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:18,720 Speaker 12: already our number anyway. Yeah, Look, if you want to 462 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 12: hear more about our story, Harry. 463 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 2: Harry has a that dude right there. Yeah, he has 464 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 2: a book called Standing My Ground. 465 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:31,200 Speaker 12: I have a book telling my story, the immigrant story, 466 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 12: that set military story, and the. 467 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 2: Police officer story. 468 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 12: My book is called American Shield, The Immigrant Serjeant who 469 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:42,680 Speaker 12: Defended Democracy. I also use a policy a website where 470 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:45,680 Speaker 12: you guys could learn a little more about myself and 471 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 12: the sacrifices that I had done to this country. 472 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:54,159 Speaker 2: Thank you for having us. 473 00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 4: I'm not taking. 474 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 2: Future bio Smith. 475 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 5: Thank you guys so much, Thank you guys so much, 476 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:06,400 Speaker 5: Thank you guys so much. 477 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:14,480 Speaker 4: We thank you. I am too. 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