WEBVTT - #thisleague UNCUT: Summer Trade Watch 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:04.360 Welcome to this League Uncut in the world of twenty 0:00:04.360 --> 0:00:10.160 four hour NBA news. This's you, Chris Haynes. It's time, 0:00:10.760 --> 0:00:18.840 Mark Stein. It's so time. This League Uncut is underway 0:00:19.000 --> 0:00:22.439 and on fire. This should be a good one. 0:00:24.160 --> 0:00:29.960 Friends, Welcome in to another edition of This League Uncut. 0:00:30.440 --> 0:00:36.199 Mark Stein Chris Haynes no longer side by side on 0:00:36.240 --> 0:00:39.519 the Vegas Strip fun while it lasted, though, we are 0:00:39.600 --> 0:00:44.600 still kind of basking in the glory of our first 0:00:45.159 --> 0:00:49.640 live pod together, the first time we were together anywhere 0:00:49.840 --> 0:00:55.640 in months, had a tremendous hour at Caesar's Palace with 0:00:55.760 --> 0:00:59.280 Lakers coach Darvin Ham. So good we made it a 0:00:59.320 --> 0:01:03.520 two part episod. But summer league is over. I am 0:01:03.560 --> 0:01:10.160 back in Dallas, the esteemed mister Haynes back in Northern California. 0:01:10.760 --> 0:01:15.520 Free agency, as we've been saying it ended, essentially ended 0:01:16.240 --> 0:01:19.240 quite quickly, most of the big names off the board 0:01:20.000 --> 0:01:22.640 within forty eight to seventy two hours. At this point, 0:01:22.720 --> 0:01:26.320 pretty much all the salary cap space has been spent. 0:01:26.480 --> 0:01:31.760 There are still some names out there, Kelly Ubray, Christian Wood, 0:01:32.319 --> 0:01:36.560 Derek Jones Junior. If you want to look at restricted 0:01:36.600 --> 0:01:43.319 free agents, PJ. Washington. His situation still remains unsolved, but 0:01:44.080 --> 0:01:48.400 you know, free agency wise, we've pretty much seen it 0:01:48.480 --> 0:01:52.120 all at this point. The league, nonetheless, if Summer League 0:01:52.160 --> 0:01:57.000 is over all the thirty teams have gone home, executives 0:01:57.080 --> 0:02:01.360 and coaches have started to disperse on some semblance of 0:02:01.400 --> 0:02:04.920 a vacation. But the league is also still on a 0:02:05.040 --> 0:02:13.040 three pronged trade watch. Damian Lillard, James Harden, Pascal Siakam 0:02:14.160 --> 0:02:20.320 all three year All stars. All three, maybe not all three, 0:02:20.360 --> 0:02:24.840 but all three theoretically could be traded between now and 0:02:24.880 --> 0:02:26.919 the start of the season. Remember, the season starts a 0:02:26.919 --> 0:02:30.000 little bit later this time around. We've got the World 0:02:30.040 --> 0:02:34.440 Cup coming up in Indonesia, Japan and the Philippines. That's 0:02:34.440 --> 0:02:39.639 August twenty fifth to September tenth. Training camp starts. October 0:02:39.720 --> 0:02:42.800 second is media day for twenty eight of the league's 0:02:42.800 --> 0:02:47.160 thirty teams, Dallas and Minnesota because they are playing abroad 0:02:47.919 --> 0:02:51.280 in the Exhibi Mission season, they they'll have their media days. 0:02:51.880 --> 0:02:54.480 Believe it's the twenty ninth of September. First practice on 0:02:54.520 --> 0:03:01.480 September thirtieth, But Lillard Harden them, how many of those 0:03:01.480 --> 0:03:05.840 guys will any of those guys be moved before training 0:03:05.840 --> 0:03:09.560 camp starts. And now I bring in my good friend, 0:03:09.600 --> 0:03:11.600 the man who has all the answers to all of 0:03:11.600 --> 0:03:16.600 these difficult questions. And I'm kidding because nobody has those answers. 0:03:16.639 --> 0:03:20.280 But I like, I like putting Hi under, putting him, 0:03:20.360 --> 0:03:22.440 putting him on the spot a little bit. Here, my man, 0:03:23.240 --> 0:03:26.960 Chris Haynes, How you doing, how you holding up? You 0:03:27.000 --> 0:03:28.720 get back? You get back home from Vegas? 0:03:28.800 --> 0:03:31.840 Okay, I'm back home. 0:03:32.240 --> 0:03:35.000 But I definitely do not have all the answers because 0:03:35.040 --> 0:03:38.400 if I did, my a C would be fixed by now. 0:03:38.640 --> 0:03:42.960 Man, it's scandal still without a C. 0:03:43.280 --> 0:03:44.200 How long has it been. 0:03:45.960 --> 0:03:48.520 It's been about a month now, been about a month now. 0:03:48.560 --> 0:03:53.000 And the AC service, the company keeps counseling on only 0:03:53.440 --> 0:04:00.240 on me. It's just just they've just been back lawn. 0:04:01.000 --> 0:04:02.480 I don't know when they're going to get to me. 0:04:03.440 --> 0:04:06.560 And I've been sweating my ass off right now. And 0:04:06.640 --> 0:04:10.200 our producer, our great producer, Ryan said that I could 0:04:10.280 --> 0:04:14.560 not sit by my fan that I was comfortably sitting 0:04:14.600 --> 0:04:18.400 at because it would show excuse me, it would you 0:04:18.400 --> 0:04:22.320 would hear it on this podcast. So for our listeners, Stein, 0:04:23.200 --> 0:04:26.599 I am away from the fan. I'm about ten feet 0:04:26.640 --> 0:04:29.440 away from the fan. I can't feel it, but hopefully 0:04:29.480 --> 0:04:32.480 you guys and the listeners can't hear it. I'm just 0:04:32.600 --> 0:04:35.600 pushing through Stein to get through, but I'm doing it 0:04:36.000 --> 0:04:41.000 off my listeners also because our great producer Ryan told. 0:04:40.760 --> 0:04:45.000 Me to Ryan's what I'm When Ryan Music speaks, we say, yes, 0:04:45.560 --> 0:04:46.680 we don't even question it. 0:04:49.080 --> 0:04:51.479 But I'm good, Man, I'm good. It was good seeing 0:04:51.480 --> 0:04:51.880 you Stein. 0:04:51.920 --> 0:04:54.520 It was a good when I give another shout out 0:04:54.520 --> 0:04:56.640 to Darvin Ham for coming through for us out there 0:04:56.640 --> 0:04:58.040 in Vegas at Caesars Palace. 0:04:58.120 --> 0:04:59.960 Man, that was one awesome podcast. 0:05:00.600 --> 0:05:02.960 Yeah, and before we even get to the trade stuff, 0:05:02.960 --> 0:05:04.400 and we will, we will get to all three of 0:05:04.400 --> 0:05:07.120 those guys a second. But I really do want to 0:05:08.520 --> 0:05:11.479 tip the cap to Darvin Ham because I've written about 0:05:11.480 --> 0:05:14.719 this a couple of times, just so people understand. You know, 0:05:14.800 --> 0:05:19.880 there was a pretty crazy situation at Caesar's the day 0:05:20.040 --> 0:05:22.920 that we were there, and you know it was written 0:05:22.920 --> 0:05:26.640 about extensively. It was national news. But the part that 0:05:26.680 --> 0:05:30.239 I've written about, you know, we didn't see it since 0:05:30.279 --> 0:05:33.880 it feel that there was nothing near us really that 0:05:33.960 --> 0:05:37.080 would even let you know anything was going on. But 0:05:37.400 --> 0:05:43.840 NBA security sent out alerts that day to basically anybody 0:05:45.760 --> 0:05:49.920 at the Summer League in a team capacity, and I saw, 0:05:50.120 --> 0:05:52.440 you know, I've seen what these alerts looked like. And 0:05:52.600 --> 0:05:56.000 NBA security was basically telling anyone associated with Summer League 0:05:56.520 --> 0:05:59.440 do not go to Caesar's Palace right now because of 0:05:59.480 --> 0:06:03.440 police activity in the area. And Darvin Ham easily could 0:06:03.440 --> 0:06:05.239 have seen that alert and said, you know what, guys, 0:06:05.279 --> 0:06:08.359 I'm out, but he didn't. He came to the pod 0:06:08.560 --> 0:06:12.279 as scheduled, right on time and gave us an hour 0:06:12.440 --> 0:06:15.440 when we asked for like twenty twenty five minutes. So 0:06:15.480 --> 0:06:19.680 that was truly truly a Yoman effort. And I hope 0:06:19.680 --> 0:06:22.599 everybody loved that because I don't think you could ask 0:06:22.640 --> 0:06:25.920 for much more candor than we got from the Lakers coach. 0:06:25.960 --> 0:06:29.159 But all right, that is enough. That is enough backstory 0:06:29.240 --> 0:06:31.039 and background. I know you guys all want to know 0:06:31.080 --> 0:06:33.760 about the trades, but I mean the reality is, you know, 0:06:33.800 --> 0:06:38.359 there's not a ton of movement. I think we anyone 0:06:38.360 --> 0:06:44.480 who has followed the Damian Lillard situation understands this pretty clearly. 0:06:44.520 --> 0:06:47.280 At this point, Damian Lillard wants to go to Miami. 0:06:48.160 --> 0:06:52.880 The Blazers to this point do not like the offers 0:06:52.920 --> 0:06:55.440 that have been put on the table by the heat. 0:06:55.800 --> 0:06:59.640 Nobody else is bidding at this point, and so we 0:06:59.720 --> 0:07:04.800 have generally a stalemate. What's going to happen to make 0:07:04.839 --> 0:07:11.400 this thing move? Will it move? Will Chris Haynes will 0:07:11.400 --> 0:07:15.480 his will his air conditioning be repaired before we get 0:07:15.520 --> 0:07:17.960 some movement on the Damian Lillard situation. 0:07:18.400 --> 0:07:20.640 I still hope. So oh, I still hope. 0:07:20.680 --> 0:07:24.400 So I mean, what do you what do you think 0:07:24.680 --> 0:07:27.480 is going on? What is the best what is the 0:07:27.480 --> 0:07:30.200 best update you can provide on on what's going on 0:07:30.280 --> 0:07:32.560 with Dame? Uh? 0:07:34.640 --> 0:07:39.400 This is what I can say that's happening. It's obviously 0:07:39.480 --> 0:07:41.880 the Miami heat. You know, they're a bit frustrated with 0:07:42.080 --> 0:07:48.880 how things are moving along slowly. Portland is telling them 0:07:49.920 --> 0:07:54.360 to bring us your best offer. Miami would like to 0:07:54.680 --> 0:08:00.840 know what does Portland want and Miami is not getting 0:08:00.880 --> 0:08:04.720 that answer, and so they feel like things can be 0:08:04.720 --> 0:08:09.400 moving on a little bit quicker if Portland would say 0:08:09.480 --> 0:08:13.400 exactly what it is they want, because obviously Miami doesn't 0:08:13.520 --> 0:08:19.000 have all the assets that Portland would want in a 0:08:19.080 --> 0:08:22.600 return for Damian little trade, so they want to know, Okay, 0:08:23.280 --> 0:08:25.280 what do we have to get out there, what other 0:08:25.360 --> 0:08:28.760 teams to, what other teams do do we have to 0:08:28.800 --> 0:08:33.120 get involved to make this work, and so far the 0:08:33.200 --> 0:08:35.679 communication is just not there. 0:08:36.320 --> 0:08:37.800 And so that's that's making. 0:08:37.559 --> 0:08:41.400 This situation rather frustrating on on that side for Miami, 0:08:42.040 --> 0:08:45.080 what I can tell you is both teams are they're 0:08:45.120 --> 0:08:49.680 heading to their head on vacation and you know, especially 0:08:49.760 --> 0:08:53.760 the key the key people in the front office who 0:08:54.720 --> 0:08:58.600 plays a larger responsibility in trying to make a deal happen. 0:08:59.280 --> 0:09:02.120 That's not to say that a trade can't be done 0:09:02.960 --> 0:09:06.920 during vacation, but that's that's just where things stand right now, 0:09:06.960 --> 0:09:10.040 and that's that's just where we're headed. 0:09:10.360 --> 0:09:13.559 So still not a lot of clarity. Still not a 0:09:13.600 --> 0:09:14.240 lot of clarity. 0:09:14.280 --> 0:09:17.319 And I know Demi Lili's agent, Aaron Goodwin, was hoping 0:09:17.360 --> 0:09:21.760 that Miami and Portland would meet in Las Vegas during 0:09:21.800 --> 0:09:22.320 Summer League. 0:09:22.520 --> 0:09:26.920 That did not happen. So this, you know, this could 0:09:26.960 --> 0:09:28.240 potentially be the long game. 0:09:29.720 --> 0:09:31.319 It sounds like it. I mean, we know that a 0:09:31.400 --> 0:09:36.160 Miami offer as it stands, it's obviously going to feature 0:09:36.320 --> 0:09:40.200 Tyler Hero and multiple first round picks and some pick swaps. 0:09:40.760 --> 0:09:45.640 You know, does it include you know, does it include 0:09:45.679 --> 0:09:49.520 a Caleb Martin. Does it include other young players on 0:09:49.559 --> 0:09:52.280 the heat roster? Is there a way Miami can put 0:09:52.280 --> 0:09:55.800 something together on its own without the help of a 0:09:55.840 --> 0:09:59.160 third or a fourth team that that Partland would ever accept. 0:09:59.160 --> 0:10:00.800 I mean, these are the questions that everybody in the 0:10:00.840 --> 0:10:03.080 league's been asking, But I'm gonna ask you something different. 0:10:04.160 --> 0:10:09.280 Let's say there's no change in status between now and October. Second, 0:10:10.040 --> 0:10:14.319 what would be your forecast? Does Dame go to Blazers camp? 0:10:14.480 --> 0:10:17.560 Does he potentially not go to Blazers camp. It's I 0:10:17.600 --> 0:10:20.760 think it's hard for people who have watched him and 0:10:20.880 --> 0:10:23.320 just know how much he loves to play, it's kind 0:10:23.360 --> 0:10:27.200 of hard to imagine him not reporting to camp. But 0:10:28.760 --> 0:10:30.960 do we have any sense of where this thing would 0:10:31.040 --> 0:10:33.600 go if if there's no movement here for the next 0:10:33.640 --> 0:10:34.520 six seven weeks. 0:10:35.200 --> 0:10:39.040 To be honest with you, Stein, I don't know. I 0:10:39.080 --> 0:10:39.800 really don't know. 0:10:41.160 --> 0:10:43.800 All I can say is I know Dame is, you know, 0:10:43.840 --> 0:10:46.160 spending time with the kids, and he's ramped up his 0:10:46.280 --> 0:10:49.600 offseason workouts, so he's pretty his own Dan. He's being 0:10:50.200 --> 0:10:53.040 He's been pretty low key. I've talked to him just 0:10:53.240 --> 0:10:57.360 on a few occasions, you know, giving himim his space, 0:10:58.320 --> 0:11:01.440 So I've really don't know if he even knows the 0:11:01.480 --> 0:11:05.120 answer to that. I think, you know, he obviously would 0:11:05.120 --> 0:11:10.920 want a resolution quicker than later, so I think he's 0:11:10.960 --> 0:11:13.320 just trying to bury his head into his workouts and 0:11:13.360 --> 0:11:17.560 to his family in hopes of this thing coming to 0:11:18.160 --> 0:11:18.880 a resolution. 0:11:19.280 --> 0:11:23.920 I just don't just don't know if that's anytime soon. 0:11:24.480 --> 0:11:27.240 Yeah, like you said, I mean we expected at the 0:11:27.400 --> 0:11:32.559 least some sort of communication between the teams in Vegas, 0:11:32.559 --> 0:11:35.480 and as you just clarified, we didn't even get that. 0:11:35.640 --> 0:11:39.439 So making that kind of forecast not easy right now. 0:11:39.440 --> 0:11:41.600 And that's kind of the problem with all these things is, 0:11:41.760 --> 0:11:43.760 you know, I know everybody wants us to say, yes, 0:11:43.800 --> 0:11:46.560 the trade is going to happen on August whatever, fill 0:11:46.600 --> 0:11:49.240 in the you know, it's just it's just not possible 0:11:49.320 --> 0:11:51.240 right now. I mean last year, and we saw this 0:11:51.320 --> 0:11:56.600 last summer, you know, Donovan Mitchell, there was very intense 0:11:56.640 --> 0:12:00.440 discussion about Donovan Mitchell trades right around the time of 0:12:00.480 --> 0:12:04.480 Summer League in Vegas, and we didn't see a Donovan 0:12:04.520 --> 0:12:08.520 Mitchell trade to Cleveland until early September. So it is 0:12:09.160 --> 0:12:17.880 hard to forecast in all these situations. You know, the 0:12:17.920 --> 0:12:22.640 same goes with James Harden in Philly. You know, obviously 0:12:22.640 --> 0:12:29.839 that interest in that storyline got sparked further this week 0:12:29.920 --> 0:12:32.840 when the quotes came out from Joel Embiid about I 0:12:32.880 --> 0:12:35.640 want to win a title in Philly or wherever it is, 0:12:35.760 --> 0:12:41.560 and that naturally put a brighter spotlight on the Sixers. 0:12:41.600 --> 0:12:44.560 But it's I think it's somewhat of the same thing. 0:12:44.880 --> 0:12:48.400 Is that, you know, James Harden has made it clear 0:12:48.440 --> 0:12:52.040 that he wants to be elsewhere. The Sixers have tried 0:12:52.080 --> 0:12:57.280 to dissuade him of that stance, and admittedly have not 0:12:57.440 --> 0:13:02.120 succeeded in those attempts. James Harden still wants out. Think 0:13:02.160 --> 0:13:04.800 we saw an IG post from him earlier today. You know, 0:13:04.920 --> 0:13:08.240 I am not the IG expert, but I've been assured 0:13:08.280 --> 0:13:13.120 that this was from his IG account. Verified been comfortable 0:13:13.200 --> 0:13:17.240 for so long, It's time to get uncomfortable. A very 0:13:17.320 --> 0:13:23.960 cryptic statement from James Harden. What are you hearing, if anything? 0:13:24.880 --> 0:13:27.080 On the Harden front. We know the Clippers are where 0:13:27.120 --> 0:13:31.760 he wants to go, how how fiercely the Clippers are 0:13:31.760 --> 0:13:34.800 prepared to go after him. I think it's still somewhat 0:13:34.800 --> 0:13:37.360 of a matter of debate. Where are we on Harden. 0:13:40.880 --> 0:13:43.080 This is what I can say on the Harden front. 0:13:43.120 --> 0:13:46.640 Philly is not going to just give him away. That's 0:13:47.679 --> 0:13:49.199 in a lot of ways. I don't know if I 0:13:49.480 --> 0:13:53.760 will compare this to Dame situation. Yeah, Like I don't 0:13:53.760 --> 0:13:55.840 know if I will compare us the Dame situation, because 0:13:55.880 --> 0:13:59.000 it seems to be a little bit more tension on 0:13:59.040 --> 0:14:03.480 that front. But then again, there's some tension here as well, 0:14:04.600 --> 0:14:07.920 you know, And I think I don't want to say 0:14:07.920 --> 0:14:12.000 anything and speculate, but it'd be They've got to wait 0:14:12.040 --> 0:14:14.800 to see what James Harden says about how everything really 0:14:15.320 --> 0:14:16.520 played out. 0:14:17.640 --> 0:14:19.120 I'm pretty sure there's a. 0:14:19.000 --> 0:14:22.280 Lot more that hasn't been reported out there as to 0:14:22.360 --> 0:14:26.240 why he's choosing to go this route all of a sudden. 0:14:26.680 --> 0:14:30.880 So what I do know is Philly is going to 0:14:30.920 --> 0:14:33.720 try to maximize their return. 0:14:33.960 --> 0:14:37.000 This won't be you know, if. 0:14:37.800 --> 0:14:42.160 Dame's situation wasn't at the forefront, it would be this 0:14:42.360 --> 0:14:44.360 James Harden news right here, and it probably be a 0:14:44.360 --> 0:14:47.760 lot more dissecting of it if there really hasn't been. 0:14:48.960 --> 0:14:50.840 Really the primarily focus has been on. 0:14:50.880 --> 0:14:53.680 Dame now, I think largely because this is Dame's first 0:14:53.720 --> 0:14:57.400 trade request after what eleven years and this is what 0:14:57.560 --> 0:14:59.960 James Harden's third so we got of like bend down 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:00.840 this role before. 0:15:01.400 --> 0:15:06.120 So uh, you know, I don't know they're prepared as well. 0:15:06.360 --> 0:15:08.360 You know from what I was told, Philly is prepared 0:15:08.400 --> 0:15:10.360 as well to take this all the way to training 0:15:10.360 --> 0:15:12.000 camp if they don't find the right deal. 0:15:12.840 --> 0:15:15.040 So you know, what does James Harden do? 0:15:16.120 --> 0:15:18.440 That's the thing. I think the training camp questions that 0:15:18.680 --> 0:15:21.600 they're even louder when it comes to Harden because because 0:15:21.640 --> 0:15:26.240 of course we remember it was just two ish years 0:15:26.280 --> 0:15:29.960 ago that he wanted to be traded away from Houston 0:15:30.920 --> 0:15:35.280 and his training camp presence, he didn't show up right away. 0:15:35.920 --> 0:15:41.920 He clearly was not in optimal condition. And that's what 0:15:42.120 --> 0:15:44.400 people are wondering now, what you know, if there is 0:15:44.440 --> 0:15:48.680 no trade, if the Sixers maintain this fairly rigid stance 0:15:48.680 --> 0:15:51.640 that they've taken. And you know, Darryl Morey has been 0:15:52.120 --> 0:15:54.080 you know, he's now addressed as publicly. He's gone on 0:15:54.200 --> 0:15:56.760 ninety seven point five FM and Philly much like he 0:15:56.800 --> 0:16:00.360 did during the Ben Simmons trade saga. And and you know, 0:16:00.640 --> 0:16:04.400 Darryl Morey has spelled it out and said that unless 0:16:04.680 --> 0:16:09.400 he gets a star level player back or the pieces 0:16:09.480 --> 0:16:15.440 that can clearly ensure a subsequent trade that lead to 0:16:15.880 --> 0:16:18.920 a star player back that they're not just going to 0:16:18.960 --> 0:16:23.960 give in and trade James Harden. So how uncomfortable? James 0:16:23.960 --> 0:16:27.440 Harden is the one who used that word earlier Thursday. 0:16:27.440 --> 0:16:31.840 We're taping this on Thursday night. The Thursday word again 0:16:31.880 --> 0:16:35.360 from James Harden quote, been comfortable for so long, it's 0:16:35.400 --> 0:16:39.360 time to get uncomfortable. How uncomfortable is he prepared to 0:16:39.520 --> 0:16:43.000 make it for the Sixers in camp? I mean, and 0:16:43.320 --> 0:16:46.600 you know that is again a question that not the 0:16:46.680 --> 0:16:51.160 easiest to answer on July twentieth, but understandably the question 0:16:51.280 --> 0:16:54.360 that a lot of people around the league are asking. 0:16:54.480 --> 0:16:57.040 I mean, and b to someone that you've covered closely 0:16:57.160 --> 0:17:01.960 as well, you know, certain what he told Maverick Carter, 0:17:02.200 --> 0:17:06.200 I mean that was, you know, generated its own slew 0:17:06.280 --> 0:17:09.480 of headlines, and understandably so when a player of Embiid's 0:17:09.480 --> 0:17:14.959 stature even hints that he might not be in Philly 0:17:15.240 --> 0:17:19.440 for life. But certainly, in my dealings with Joel over 0:17:19.440 --> 0:17:21.960 the years, I mean, my vibe has always been that 0:17:22.640 --> 0:17:26.280 he greatly values what he's built with the Sixers. I 0:17:26.359 --> 0:17:30.200 do think he really wants to win there and break 0:17:30.240 --> 0:17:34.760 through there and not have to go somewhere else. I 0:17:34.760 --> 0:17:37.159 guess I'm not being the super fairest to you today 0:17:37.240 --> 0:17:41.159 in your sweltering abode with no air conditioning by asking 0:17:41.200 --> 0:17:43.840 you to jump in the head of all these guys. 0:17:43.840 --> 0:17:46.520 But what have you made of the whole embiid talk 0:17:47.040 --> 0:17:51.720 surrounding kind of this embid story that has, you know, 0:17:52.840 --> 0:17:56.600 developed out of the Harden story. 0:17:58.160 --> 0:17:59.000 I remember stunt. 0:17:59.040 --> 0:18:02.240 I think I might have told you before m B 0:18:02.520 --> 0:18:06.879 spoke with Rachel Nichols. I believe it was doing it 0:18:06.960 --> 0:18:09.600 was doing Summer League, and he told her that he 0:18:09.800 --> 0:18:14.080 was he wished James Harden mistake and he's trying to 0:18:14.119 --> 0:18:16.440 convince him. I spoke with him over the phone. You 0:18:16.480 --> 0:18:18.800 know it was a private call. Then you know I 0:18:18.800 --> 0:18:20.240 spoke with him on the phone. Believe I told you, 0:18:20.320 --> 0:18:21.639 and he told me that you know, I'm trying to 0:18:21.640 --> 0:18:24.280 get him to stay. He was like, we're just better 0:18:24.320 --> 0:18:27.840 with him than without him. And he doesn't he doesn't 0:18:27.880 --> 0:18:30.400 think that they will. He will, they will be able 0:18:30.440 --> 0:18:34.000 to get equal value in return going into next season 0:18:34.040 --> 0:18:35.840 because we know Joel e Bean is trying to win now, 0:18:36.000 --> 0:18:38.480 trying to win now and so that was you know 0:18:38.680 --> 0:18:41.000 that that was between us, but he since said it 0:18:41.040 --> 0:18:43.800 publicly now and so I feel like it's okay to 0:18:43.880 --> 0:18:44.399 reveal that. 0:18:44.480 --> 0:18:47.159 But he said it. 0:18:47.359 --> 0:18:49.400 He said he was trolling when he made the made 0:18:49.440 --> 0:18:57.280 those remarks to Math. But in the trolling, I do 0:18:57.400 --> 0:19:04.400 believe there is some light that's being shed a little bit, 0:19:04.720 --> 0:19:08.800 like he's finally like kind of cracking the door open 0:19:09.440 --> 0:19:14.200 to the possibility of leaving, which would only add probably 0:19:14.200 --> 0:19:17.159 a little bit more urgency to the front office to 0:19:17.280 --> 0:19:21.040 make sure they get to make sure they're on their toes, 0:19:21.119 --> 0:19:24.480 making sure they're doing everything that they can to keep 0:19:24.720 --> 0:19:27.720 a winning roster around him, because Jordan bid has went 0:19:27.760 --> 0:19:30.919 through a bunch of different changes throughout his tenure there 0:19:30.960 --> 0:19:37.480 in Philly, a bunch of different marquee players have come 0:19:37.520 --> 0:19:42.000 and gone, So you know, it was only it's only 0:19:42.119 --> 0:19:44.720 right to kind of look at him to see as 0:19:44.760 --> 0:19:48.959 he that next superstar Domino to request the trade. So 0:19:49.240 --> 0:19:51.880 even though he said he's troller, I think that he's 0:19:51.920 --> 0:19:57.600 opening up a little bit of a window into what 0:19:57.640 --> 0:20:00.000 the future may bring if things don't change. 0:20:01.040 --> 0:20:03.960 A lot of pressure on the Sixers right now, lots 0:20:04.000 --> 0:20:06.640 of pressure they've got to resolve the hard situation. As 0:20:06.680 --> 0:20:10.680 you say, keeping Joel Embiid happy is priority number one. 0:20:11.280 --> 0:20:17.600 They've made a coaching change, how dramatic a change that 0:20:17.680 --> 0:20:22.120 will be in the team's on court fortunes. Can Nick 0:20:22.240 --> 0:20:28.719 Nurse bring in a new approach that drastically changes the 0:20:28.760 --> 0:20:32.000 playoff output of a sixer team and a franchise that 0:20:32.840 --> 0:20:36.200 has not gotten past the second round since two thousand 0:20:36.200 --> 0:20:40.800 and one, since the days of Alan Iverson. We said 0:20:40.800 --> 0:20:42.240 it a lot last season, and we're going to be 0:20:42.240 --> 0:20:45.239 saying it a lot more this coming season. Philly is 0:20:45.359 --> 0:20:50.639 under the microscope in a huge, huge, huge way, not 0:20:50.880 --> 0:20:55.160 just with Harden, but now ensuring that Joel Embiid wants 0:20:55.200 --> 0:21:03.960 to stay there and complete the process. We move now 0:21:04.119 --> 0:21:08.520 to the third name of the three, the trio that 0:21:08.600 --> 0:21:12.359 we're monitoring here on Trade Watch. Okay, maybe this isn't 0:21:12.359 --> 0:21:16.520 my smoothest transition, but bear with us. Left my smoothness 0:21:18.119 --> 0:21:22.639 in Vegas, Pascal Siakam, You know, when I was talking 0:21:22.680 --> 0:21:30.440 to various teams at Summer League, some in some corners, 0:21:30.560 --> 0:21:35.399 I heard that the Damian Lillard situation would most likely 0:21:35.440 --> 0:21:39.199 have to play out before we got any clarity on 0:21:39.480 --> 0:21:42.560 a Siakam trade destination. And then I heard in some 0:21:42.680 --> 0:21:48.119 other corners that no, it could move independently of Damian Lillard. 0:21:48.720 --> 0:21:50.760 But I will put my hand up and say, I 0:21:50.840 --> 0:21:54.639 really don't know which of those forecasts is going to 0:21:54.680 --> 0:21:58.520 be proven correct. Really, it was just the most consistent 0:21:58.600 --> 0:22:02.040 messaging I got, and I was in Vegas on Trade 0:22:02.080 --> 0:22:05.440 Talk Matters, was you know, it's not just a two 0:22:05.600 --> 0:22:11.080 all star situation. Damian Lillard, yes, James Harden, yes, but 0:22:11.200 --> 0:22:15.000 just make sure that we include Pascal Siakam in his 0:22:15.119 --> 0:22:18.919 future in our forecast. Now, Look, Toronto is so unpredictable. 0:22:19.720 --> 0:22:24.040 I think there are also well placed observers around the 0:22:24.119 --> 0:22:26.879 league who will not be surprised if the Raptors decide 0:22:27.560 --> 0:22:30.960 to keep Siakam. But I will just say me personally now, 0:22:31.000 --> 0:22:35.359 speaking purely for myself, I came away with the impression 0:22:36.000 --> 0:22:40.159 from my various discussions in Vegas that the Raptors do 0:22:41.000 --> 0:22:45.960 want to make at least one more move of significance 0:22:47.160 --> 0:22:50.720 before training camp starts. And I don't think there's any 0:22:50.800 --> 0:22:55.359 shortage of interest in Pascal Siakam. You and I both 0:22:55.400 --> 0:22:59.080 have been talking for ages now about Atlanta's interest. That 0:22:59.119 --> 0:23:04.200 goes back to before the draft the Hawks really like 0:23:04.280 --> 0:23:06.760 the idea of Siakam, but haven't been able to construct 0:23:07.000 --> 0:23:11.080 a trade that Toronto has wanted to partake in. During 0:23:11.160 --> 0:23:17.000 Summer League, both Indiana and Orlando emerged as possible destinations. 0:23:17.000 --> 0:23:21.760 But look, this is a very unique situation because, like 0:23:22.080 --> 0:23:25.680 James Harden, Pascal Siakam is only under contract for one 0:23:25.720 --> 0:23:29.840 more season roughly thirty seven to thirty eight million. The 0:23:31.000 --> 0:23:34.000 better half of this podcast, Chris Haynes reported right at 0:23:34.040 --> 0:23:39.880 the draft that you know, Pascal Siakam is not going 0:23:39.960 --> 0:23:43.440 to just re sign with anyone who trades for him. 0:23:43.480 --> 0:23:48.199 To this point, Siakam has expressed that he would like 0:23:48.240 --> 0:23:50.960 to stay in Toronto. He's not looking to force his 0:23:51.000 --> 0:23:54.879 way out of Toronto. So for anyone that trades for 0:23:55.000 --> 0:23:57.760 Pascal Siakam, the question you have to ask answer for 0:23:57.800 --> 0:24:01.159 yourself is how much are you willing to put on 0:24:01.240 --> 0:24:03.119 the table for a guy who has only one year 0:24:03.240 --> 0:24:05.639 left on his deal and might not re sign with you. 0:24:07.920 --> 0:24:10.640 Yeah, and that's the fear, And I think maybe that's 0:24:10.680 --> 0:24:11.720 the hang up as well. 0:24:12.000 --> 0:24:17.160 Why this is taken so long is because teams don't 0:24:17.160 --> 0:24:19.080 feel like they can put their best offers on the 0:24:19.080 --> 0:24:23.359 table because you know, I reported you reported that, you know, 0:24:23.400 --> 0:24:26.239 there is a there's a good amount of teams that 0:24:26.800 --> 0:24:30.160 he would not do an extension with and so essentially 0:24:30.160 --> 0:24:31.800 that will be a one year rental and teams that 0:24:31.920 --> 0:24:35.359 want to fork out all of their assets or present 0:24:35.400 --> 0:24:38.720 their best offers for a one year rental player, even 0:24:38.720 --> 0:24:42.280 to the caliber of Pascal. So you know, it's a 0:24:42.280 --> 0:24:45.280 tough situation that Toronto Raptors find themselves in. I can 0:24:45.359 --> 0:24:51.480 definitely see Pascal remaining a member of the Raptors, but 0:24:51.560 --> 0:24:53.200 there's there's still a lot of smoke. 0:24:53.280 --> 0:24:56.960 There's still some teams that's. 0:24:55.680 --> 0:24:59.560 Still making calls to try to see if anything can 0:24:59.600 --> 0:25:00.000 be done. 0:25:00.160 --> 0:25:01.800 But I think we have to look at where we're 0:25:01.800 --> 0:25:02.800 at in the off season. 0:25:03.840 --> 0:25:05.920 You know, as it pertains to Atlanta, that's been a 0:25:05.960 --> 0:25:11.159 team that's been primarily linked to Pascal for for a while. 0:25:11.480 --> 0:25:14.359 And you know before when there was talks going on, 0:25:14.600 --> 0:25:17.040 John Collins was a part of some of those talks. 0:25:17.240 --> 0:25:18.840 You know, he's since been been traded. 0:25:19.840 --> 0:25:24.560 Does does does Atlanta have anything Toronto will want at 0:25:24.560 --> 0:25:29.600 this stage? So there does Like if you're asking me 0:25:29.760 --> 0:25:34.600