Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbo call that for me. I'm
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Speaker 1: and Tie, welcome back to the solid verbal boys and girls.
Speaker 1: My name is Ty hilden Brand. I am joined as
Speaker 1: always by my good friend and colleague can co host
Speaker 1: so many years way over there in beautiful New York City,
Speaker 1: a fine gentleman by the name of Dan Rubinstein. Sir,
Speaker 1: how are you, Ty?
Speaker 2: Let's take our time tonight above us as we speak
Speaker 2: right now, stars are watching, and there is no place
Speaker 2: and you know this, Tie, I'd rather be in this world.
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Speaker 2: This is your your eyes, Tie, That's what I'm lost in.
Speaker 2: You know that underneath that chandelier I know you have
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Speaker 1: You really have a good voice. Tie. It's not is
Speaker 1: that it's not my serious XM voice, but you have
Speaker 1: a good voice. Well think is that the correct song?
Speaker 1: That is the correct song? I learn all of these
Speaker 1: songs online.
Speaker 2: Because I don't listen to the radio, because I take
Speaker 2: a subway to work and fascinating.
Speaker 1: Well, it's funny that you should bring that up, because
Speaker 1: we did a live show this past weekend and which
Speaker 1: was awesome. It was great to meet so many people.
Speaker 1: We had a packed house, which is great. The solid
Speaker 1: wife Kate reported that she went up to the bar
Speaker 1: to get a drink before we got rolling, and there
Speaker 1: was such a crush on the bartenders that they were
Speaker 1: asking each other if there was like an open bar,
Speaker 1: what's going on here? What exactly is this? So, by
Speaker 1: all accounts, verbalers were well nourished at our live event,
Speaker 1: but we had some snacks out there. It went very
Speaker 1: very well. Where I'm going with this is some people
Speaker 1: came up and they were asking about song lyrics, and
Speaker 1: that's right, they do like that, Is this something that
Speaker 1: we plan out in advance? Do I have advanced knowledge
Speaker 1: of what you're going to ask? And of course I
Speaker 1: never do. You just usually spring it on me. And
Speaker 1: because they listened to so much pop radio, I'm usual
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Speaker 2: or see people that we've met before once again. I
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Speaker 1: And I think that loosened everybody up. I think it did.
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Speaker 2: But there's a Texas contingent that has split the vote, right.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Chicago, Atlanta, d C. And if it's cool and
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Speaker 1: On that note, Dan, we got to talk more in
Speaker 1: college football, don't we. Maybe the first and only time
Speaker 1: this year will be drum rolling the ACC preview, certainly
Speaker 1: the preview show.
Speaker 2: I was going to say, I don't know how many
Speaker 2: ACC previews you have in mind.
Speaker 1: Yeah, hopefully what I've got enough once will be enough.
Speaker 1: Here we are going through the ACC today. Last week
Speaker 1: we did the Big Ten. Two weeks ago we did
Speaker 1: the Big twelve. We still have the SEC, which I
Speaker 1: think will be doing next week, and then just because
Speaker 1: we got to squeeze them all in, we're probably going
Speaker 1: to be doing one on the weekend or publishing a
Speaker 1: show anyway on the weekend to get the PAC twelve
Speaker 1: in before we actually start previewing games in pretty short order. Here,
Speaker 1: let's start in the ACC though, Dan, we've got fourteen teams.
Speaker 1: We've got seven per division. As you might expect, the
Speaker 1: Atlantic looks far superior, at least at the top, because
Speaker 1: it has Florida State and Clemson Louisville and Anti State
Speaker 1: kind of lurking around. Maybe they'll snipe somebody who knows.
Speaker 1: We've also got the Coastal division, which has a much
Speaker 1: different narrative. Can you name all seven teams in the
Speaker 1: Coastal without looking by.
Speaker 2: The way I'm looking right now, so it'll be unfair,
Speaker 2: I have to. I had to write it on my
Speaker 2: right forearm, as if I am about to cheat in
Speaker 2: algebra two.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure I could name all seven, and I'm
Speaker 1: not proud to say that, but I'm not ashamed to
Speaker 1: say that either.
Speaker 2: The only thing I know about the Coastal in general
Speaker 2: as a grouping this year is it's Duke and everybody
Speaker 2: else as far who knows who their co who knows
Speaker 2: who their quarterback is going to be with certainty and
Speaker 2: how they will look within that offense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Miami, Virginia Tech, Pitt, Georgia Tech, North Carolina, all
Speaker 1: of them have new quarterbacks. We're going to get into
Speaker 1: all of that here and and much much more. Should
Speaker 1: we start at the top with Florida State? No, let's
Speaker 1: start with the defending champ tie show some respects. Okay,
Speaker 1: right right right, right, right right right.
Speaker 2: The All Championship Chief Conference because it was the best
Speaker 2: conference in America last year.
Speaker 1: The ACC. Let's start with Clemson. You're defending champions Dan,
Speaker 1: how do you feel about Clemson this year?
Speaker 2: I feel very good. I don't feel excellently. I don't
Speaker 2: feel eleven and one, twelve and zero about Clemson. But
Speaker 2: the fact that both of their lines are in terrific shape,
Speaker 2: the fact that they have a lot of experience, even
Speaker 2: if it's not starting experience in the wide receiving corps
Speaker 2: with running backs, secondary loses a couple key pieces. The
Speaker 2: linebackers are in good shape. But I'm generally feeling really
Speaker 2: good about a team that has recruited very well, that
Speaker 2: has held on to coaches, that has I guess, three
Speaker 2: great coordinators with co coordinators on offense. The schedule is tricky,
Speaker 2: but I'm about done doubting Clemson myself. So if they
Speaker 2: can figure out or more specifically, Kelly Bryant can figure
Speaker 2: out the offense or a way to play within this offense,
Speaker 2: if it's Hunter Johnson, the freshman, the blue chip freshman
Speaker 2: who comes in later on in the season like Deshaun
Speaker 2: Watson did when he was a freshman, whoever it may be,
Speaker 2: they are built to withstands inexperienced quarterback troubles. So I
Speaker 2: could not see them going anything less than nine and three.
Speaker 1: It's an incredible success story the way that Davos Sweeney's
Speaker 1: built the program. Consider the fact again that the Shawn
Speaker 1: Watson's gone, Wayne Gallman, Mike Williams or Tavis Scott, They're
Speaker 1: all gone. So is Carlos Watkins and Ben Bowl. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of elite talent walking out the door.
Speaker 1: The fact that there's still a top ten team in
Speaker 1: spite of all that tells you a lot about just
Speaker 1: how good of a job he's done constructing this through recruiting.
Speaker 1: Of course, the question here in twenty seventeen is not
Speaker 1: the defense. They're still loaded. The question is who steps
Speaker 1: up on offense? Right, yeah, who steps up? You mentioned
Speaker 1: the line. I think the line will support whoever plays quarterback,
Speaker 1: whoever plays running back, that's not going to be as
Speaker 1: big of an issue. I think whoever plays quarterback is
Speaker 1: going to have guys to throw to, including m my
Speaker 1: Doodlern dan Oh already right out of the shoot, my
Speaker 1: boy Dion Kane. I like that. I am excited. Can
Speaker 1: I talk to you for a second about Dion Kane?
Speaker 1: Please safe place Dion Kane. He's been a clemser for
Speaker 1: what two years now. Both years he's been overshadowed by
Speaker 1: bigger guys with better names. I need five touchdowns as
Speaker 1: freshman year nine last year. Actually, he only had four
Speaker 1: more catches last year than he did in twenty fifteen,
Speaker 1: and still somehow managed about one hundred and seventy extra
Speaker 1: receiving yards to boot. So I've been workshopping some slogans
Speaker 1: here that I wanted to run by you just to
Speaker 1: see you know what you think. It might be a
Speaker 1: bit of a hackneyed phrase, but option one how do
Speaker 1: you feel about Kine is able? It's not bad, Ty,
Speaker 1: It's not bad, not bad, That's all I'm getting. What
Speaker 1: about yes, I Cane? Oh that was good. That's where
Speaker 1: I'm going with is that number two? Number two is
Speaker 1: something that you know some people could get. We're you know,
Speaker 1: we're talking college foot Well, yes I can. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: that could be the mantra, not just for Dion Kane,
Speaker 1: but for the entire Clemson team. I think I came.
Speaker 2: It almost feels more inspirational and what I'm saying, Okay,
Speaker 2: I think that's the move.
Speaker 1: I did not expect you to react like that. I
Speaker 1: expected crickets like he gave me last time, way better
Speaker 1: than Alan Lazard. I still like duke of Hazard Allen Lazard.
Speaker 1: But whatever.
Speaker 2: Let's go through the schedule and figure out which players
Speaker 2: and which teams should be worried about their junken Christian Wilkins.
Speaker 2: How about okay, yep, yep, Auburn. They go to Louisville
Speaker 2: to Virginia Tech. We should have a tough defense. And
Speaker 2: like another year where seven dudes have the last named Edmunds,
Speaker 2: they go to North Carolina State, which is gonna be
Speaker 2: pretty tricky. They host Florida State and they go to
Speaker 2: South Carolina. So pretty tough.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm I'm skittish about September. I think there might
Speaker 1: be a loss in there. I don't like Clemson more
Speaker 1: than Florida State this year. I think that's a loss
Speaker 1: as well. I don't know if there is a third
Speaker 1: in there, but I think Vally I could see it happening.
Speaker 1: So I feel more on the side of ten and
Speaker 1: two than I do nine and three, but I think
Speaker 1: it's one of the other danger junk. Sorry, I'm a
Speaker 1: bad person.
Speaker 2: Yes we can, Yes we can. Yep, all right, I'm
Speaker 2: right there with you. Ten and two, nine and three,
Speaker 2: ten and two.
Speaker 1: Let's go to Florida State. Then let's do that. How
Speaker 1: about this one? The cook has left the kitchen? What
Speaker 1: is with you and nicknames? In twenty seventeen?
Speaker 2: The cook is out of the crazy branding. That's fine,
Speaker 2: it's yeah, it doesn't get me all worked up. Okay,
Speaker 2: what about yes we can?
Speaker 1: Mm? Interesting, we could just go an entire theme throughout
Speaker 1: the acc Yeah, ach or break your heart. Dalvin Cook
Speaker 1: is gone. The top four receiving targets are gone. DeMarcus
Speaker 1: Walker's gone corner is something to watch if you want
Speaker 1: to split hairs. And the schedule kind of sucks to
Speaker 1: be perfectly frank, because he got Alabama week one, Miami
Speaker 1: week three, n C State week four in a letdown spot,
Speaker 1: mind you, Louisville week eight at Clemson, week eleven at
Speaker 1: Florida to close out the regular season. That is five
Speaker 1: losable games. I'll say five and a half because I
Speaker 1: like NC State and awful lot. We'll get to that
Speaker 1: moment tarily Beyond all that, I love Florida State this year.
Speaker 1: Dan Why I like DeAndre francois more than seemingly everyone
Speaker 1: who covers Florida State football. I don't know why, but
Speaker 1: I like him. I like the fact that even though
Speaker 1: the cook is officially out of the kitchen, Jimbo's got
Speaker 1: about fifteen quality guys that he can trot out there
Speaker 1: at running back and get production. Wide. Receiver have been untested,
Speaker 1: but it's Florida State. They always so quality receiver, they
Speaker 1: just they do. Someone's gonna step up. And on top
Speaker 1: of that, all the defense was young last year. Now
Speaker 1: they are officially loaded, and they've got my boy, Derwin
Speaker 1: James coming back from injury. Yes, that's a lot to
Speaker 1: like about Florida State. I'm very bullish on the knowles
Speaker 1: this year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Florida State definitely one of those teams where you
Speaker 2: feel like, well, they've recruited so well that it's just
Speaker 2: a matter of time before somebody steps into that role,
Speaker 2: whatever role that may be, and succeeds. I like DeAndre Francois.
Speaker 2: I think he's promising. He's not somebody that I am
Speaker 2: totally fully convinced of, but still liking. Is a good
Speaker 2: enough situation in the ACC this year with quarterback, Yeah,
Speaker 2: the experience at receiver isn't great, but there's a lot
Speaker 2: of explosive potential. We saw some of that last year
Speaker 2: with the rotation guys who will step in the offensive
Speaker 2: line needs to get better at protecting the quarterback, but again,
Speaker 2: talent is there. Just need to prevent Hits defensive line
Speaker 2: is scary good, very deep. Josh Sweat will be terrorizing everybody.
Speaker 2: Matthew Thomas is back at linebacker, and he is I
Speaker 2: think he's thirty seven years old, could be he has been.
Speaker 2: He's been in Tallahassee a long time. There's a lot
Speaker 2: of there's a lot of quality at corner and at safety.
Speaker 2: Derwin James is worth everything. And here's the big thing
Speaker 2: about their schedule tie, which I like because we've been
Speaker 2: talking about body blow theory stuff for years, whether or
Speaker 2: not it actually is real, we enjoy talking about it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: all of those tough games, those five losable games, to
Speaker 2: varying degrees, they're all buffered. So obviously you have the
Speaker 2: off season before Alabama, so there is there's no back
Speaker 2: to back danger on this Florida State schedule, which is
Speaker 2: at least something to hang your hat on when it
Speaker 2: is a pretty tough slate going to Clemson, going to Florida,
Speaker 2: which might have things figured out to whatever degree later
Speaker 2: on in the season.
Speaker 1: So it's fine.
Speaker 2: You get a really good Miami defense at home. You know,
Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson's coming to Tallahassee. So if you're going to
Speaker 2: have a tough schedule, at least get that break.
Speaker 1: Which they have. You know what that means, though, don't you?
Speaker 1: What's that a lot of let down look ahead potential
Speaker 1: sandwich you I'm so oh boy, there you go. It's
Speaker 1: been a while since I had a chance. I like
Speaker 1: that sound underrated, very underrated. Yeah. I have a personal
Speaker 1: question for you though, as I'm always for Florida State. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Someone after the live show on Saturday asked for my
Speaker 1: hot college football take, and I said that I thought
Speaker 1: Florida State was going to beat Alabama. Okay, do I
Speaker 1: pull that one back and blame the alcohol or do
Speaker 1: I just roll with it. I'm not sure what the
Speaker 1: protocol is because I'm not one hundred percent behind that
Speaker 1: and I'm certainly not above a mia Kulpa. I feel
Speaker 1: like I might want to pull that one back because
Speaker 1: I've been doing a little advanced recon on Alabama and
Speaker 1: I'm not necessarily feeling as confident as I did with
Speaker 1: a couple drinks in me.
Speaker 2: Here's the case for Florida State over Alabama. We'll get
Speaker 2: to this in a couple weeks when we preview the
Speaker 2: actual game. The case for Florida State is Jalen Hurts
Speaker 2: struggled last year near the end of the year against
Speaker 2: the very good defenses that he faced. In Florida State's
Speaker 2: defense should be as healthy as it will be and
Speaker 2: be very good, so they could force a couple of
Speaker 2: mistakes there. They have the beef and rotation beef up
Speaker 2: front to handle both Scarborough and whoever else rotates in
Speaker 2: Naje Harris. DeAndre Francois is used to taking a beating
Speaker 2: up front and just bouncing back up. Camp akers should
Speaker 2: be able to run and continue to bounce back up
Speaker 2: against a really good Alabama front. So in terms of
Speaker 2: comparative talent and coaching, Florida State's right there, and it's
Speaker 2: on a neutral field in Atlanta. Should be a fast
Speaker 2: track there you go. I like that new stadium, you
Speaker 2: like that fast track fash track. Yeah, So that's the case.
Speaker 2: Florida State can force a turnover and play relatively safe.
Speaker 2: With Deandrey Francois can do they can win that game absolutely.
Speaker 1: All right, Well I'll wait to rescind it. But the
Speaker 1: solid verbal and the case of the knowles, Let's go
Speaker 1: to Louisville. Dan, I knew somebody from Louisville. Once Louisville,
Speaker 1: I was told that it's Wolville, like l Apostrophe, l
Speaker 1: Elville Minils. Just to be safe, it's just l's and v's.
Speaker 1: So a bit of a revelation last year with Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 1: He has quietly been my favorite story all off season
Speaker 1: because I can't tell you how many questions we got
Speaker 1: from people who were like Hey, is it just me
Speaker 1: or is nobody talking about Lamar Jackson? And then recently
Speaker 1: we actually got one asking us if the under hype
Speaker 1: was being overhyped, which is like ten dimensional chess. I
Speaker 1: can't even think that through. How do you feel about
Speaker 1: Louillville this year? Backlash to the backlash to the backlash, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel I feel good that they'll be entertaining. I'm
Speaker 1: worried a little bit about the secondary and still worried
Speaker 1: about the offensive line, which are two things that it's
Speaker 1: not great to worry about going into a season. Usually
Speaker 1: expect some skill talent with a quarterback of that caliber
Speaker 1: to find its way early on. Look Lamar Jackson, when
Speaker 1: he's protected, when the offense is catered to him, he's extraordinary.
Speaker 1: He is an absolute monster. And supposedly this year he's
Speaker 1: going to be in the pocket a little bit more
Speaker 1: less sort of spready and dual thready than normal. But
Speaker 1: in either case, he is really good at sort of
Speaker 1: reading the field, will take off if there's nothing. I'm
Speaker 1: not worried about him, even though he did struggle down
Speaker 1: the stretch a bit, somewhat of his fault, somewhat not
Speaker 1: there's a ton of size, a ton of speed in
Speaker 1: the receiving core, little inexperience. I listen up front, Louisville
Speaker 1: should be good. It's a new defensive coordinator. They sort
Speaker 1: of swapped right with Mississippi State. Peter Sermon comes in
Speaker 1: this fie old USC whatever and was not great for
Speaker 1: Mississippi State. Todd Grantham goes to Mississippi State. So they're
Speaker 1: going from like a three to four too, more multiple. Look,
Speaker 1: it should be fine because they're talented, especially up in
Speaker 1: the front. They'll miss DeVante fields, but otherwise the schedule
Speaker 1: is not fantastic. It's fine, not fantastic, But they have
Speaker 1: what I still think is the most dangerous person in
Speaker 1: college football with the ball in his hands in Lamar Jackson,
Speaker 1: which I think should count for something. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I think he checked all the boxes. The one thing
Speaker 1: I would add on the schedule, if you really squint,
Speaker 1: you might be able to find an eight and four
Speaker 1: season in there. But I think that's leaving a lot
Speaker 1: to assumption. I I'm going to assume that Louisville loses
Speaker 1: to Florida State and Clemson.
Speaker 2: They're better than everybody on this schedule other than those
Speaker 2: two teams. Right, there's like there, they clearly should beat
Speaker 2: those teams because of talent and coaching.
Speaker 1: So I think FSU and Clemson represent two losses for sure.
Speaker 1: The only other one in here that could be interesting
Speaker 1: is NC State. We'll talk about them next. That one's
Speaker 1: on the road, and it really comes down to I
Speaker 1: think how much you favor NC State and.
Speaker 2: It's a good matchup Frenzi State defensive line against the
Speaker 2: offensive line.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I am gonna I am going to trend
Speaker 1: on the side of ten and two for Roleville, which
Speaker 1: might be a little aggressive, but it's kind of the
Speaker 1: same team that we saw from a year ago, the
Speaker 1: same strengths, the same weaknesses. If anything, we know a
Speaker 1: little bit more, a lot more actually about Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 1: So I like this team. I still think they're third
Speaker 1: in their division. But let's go nine to three, ten
Speaker 1: and two somewhere in that range again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have them nine and three. North Carolina is interesting,
Speaker 2: even though they're starting over on offense and they go
Speaker 2: to Kentucky, which did they not in fact lose to
Speaker 2: Kentucky last year?
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so now they're on the road against Kentucky. They
Speaker 2: gave up forty points against Wildcats. Yeah, I think they've
Speaker 2: got a stinker in them in addition to Clemson in
Speaker 2: Florida State because of the offensive line, just because of
Speaker 2: the second aary, even though quarterback is largely an unknown
Speaker 2: in the conference. I'm going to go with nine and three.
Speaker 2: They have Purdue early on, which should be interesting. Purdue
Speaker 2: is going to get killed in that game, but maybe
Speaker 2: they show a couple flashes of what's to come with
Speaker 2: Jeff brom All right, let's pick up the pace a
Speaker 2: little bit because let's go what do we got?
Speaker 1: What do we got? Like eighty five or team to
Speaker 1: get through here? And seems the NC State wolf Pack. Dan,
Speaker 1: I love me some Jalen Samuels at h back whatever bet.
Speaker 2: When we go to NC State? Is this the reflection
Speaker 2: of you thinking they're the fourth best team or they're
Speaker 2: just next for you?
Speaker 1: I am thinking they're the fourth best team in this division?
Speaker 1: Oh division, in this division, not overall? What division is this?
Speaker 1: By the way, should I know what this is? The
Speaker 1: at Atlantic? The Atlantic. I like Jalen Samuels, I like
Speaker 1: Ryan Finley. I like both the offensive and defensive lines. Actually,
Speaker 1: I like the entire front seven for NC State secondary
Speaker 1: has some turnover. Secondary is gettable, but presumably teams are
Speaker 1: gonna try and test them out. Hopefully they'll have a
Speaker 1: chance to get themselves in working order before they play
Speaker 1: anyone really good. But I'm high on NC State this year.
Speaker 1: I'm feeling eight and four. Nine and three is a possibility.
Speaker 1: I've done this before where I've gone all in on
Speaker 1: a team. The only real solace for me at this
Speaker 1: point again in mid August, is that a lot of
Speaker 1: folks seem to be in on NC State. It's not
Speaker 1: just me. This is a team that I think has
Speaker 1: been building for a while and Dave Durham might finally
Speaker 1: have something here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they still feel eight and fourish, but a dangerous
Speaker 2: eate and forish. We saw it last year when they
Speaker 2: almost beat Clemson, you know, really should have beaten Clemson.
Speaker 2: And Ryan Finley is efficient. I like Eli Drinkquitz. I
Speaker 2: think he's a good offensive coordinator. He's a Malsan guy.
Speaker 2: He came over from Boise State along with Ryan Finley.
Speaker 2: But still worried about the secondary. Not crazy. I'm not
Speaker 2: as crazy about their offensive line as it sounds like
Speaker 2: you are. And schedule wise, I believe they're on the
Speaker 2: road at Notre Dame before they play Clemson, which is
Speaker 2: it should be a pretty tough one too. They open
Speaker 2: with South Carolina and Charlotte I believe, which, by the way,
Speaker 2: if you're going to that game, or if you just
Speaker 2: are going to Charlotte, or if you live in Charlotte already,
Speaker 2: Fudo Bhuta, I believe is how felieve is the name
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Speaker 1: It's killer. It's so good, Futo Buddha.
Speaker 2: But to Florida State two pit they have North Carolina
Speaker 2: obviously at home at the end.
Speaker 1: Of the season. Their defensive line will get them pretty
Speaker 1: far this year. Yeah, I'm just.
Speaker 2: I'm curious about Yeah, I'm curious about offensive efficiency. They
Speaker 2: still feel like eight and four to me, which is
Speaker 2: all things considered, where Dave Doran was a couple of
Speaker 2: years ago, didn't know what his job security was going
Speaker 2: to be. Like, I think it's still a good place
Speaker 2: to be if you are comfortably in a bowl game
Speaker 2: as NC State, with what they're up against in their
Speaker 2: own division, that's a It's a nice little year.
Speaker 1: They they could snipe somebody too. Absolutely, I think they
Speaker 1: could get somebody lose something stupid win something impressive that
Speaker 1: feels about right to me. All right, quickly, let's go
Speaker 1: to let's go to Wake Forest Dan. Oh, yeah, what
Speaker 1: this is? This is hot? Wake Forest takes right here?
Speaker 1: What is What is the state of affairs with the
Speaker 1: cloth Fens in twenty seventeen?
Speaker 2: Not great, ty, but it's they're almost better. They they
Speaker 2: sm how win games with no offense somehow squarely in
Speaker 2: the triple digits. They're like a reverse Oregon where their
Speaker 2: defense has been excellent, or it was excellent last year
Speaker 2: with Mike Elco who moved on to Notre Dame, but
Speaker 2: their offense was really really bad, or like a reverse
Speaker 2: Texas Tech. There's some potential at quarterback. I know they
Speaker 2: like Kendall Hinton. He's the sort of more promising of
Speaker 2: the two quarterbacks, A dual threat guy. Skill positions, fine,
Speaker 2: it's not a ton of explosive guys. Defensively is where
Speaker 2: they're going to shine. The front seven is still good
Speaker 2: and their secondary and it's a good year to be
Speaker 2: working in a new secondary. A lot of new names,
Speaker 2: new faces. Schedule is interesting to me.
Speaker 1: They go to Apps State, Hold on, hold on, hold on,
Speaker 1: please sorry, sorry listen, I wrote this down for wake Forest.
Speaker 1: Listen to this eight game stretch between late September and
Speaker 1: late I have this down too. It's a there's a
Speaker 1: buy in there, right, there is a buy in there.
Speaker 1: So it's not not consecutively, but at app State, which
Speaker 1: is a pretty good team, Florida State, at Clemson, at
Speaker 1: Georgia Tech, Loulville, at Notre Dame, at Syracuse and then
Speaker 1: against NC State that the bye the buys before Georgia Tech.
Speaker 1: Yet it's so I didn't write the buydown, but it's
Speaker 1: somewhere around there. That is a murderer's row. If you're
Speaker 1: Wake Forest losing a lot on defense at all three levels,
Speaker 1: talk about a heavy lift to get the same level
Speaker 1: of production from your defense, especially against a schedule like that.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to sit here and say that the
Speaker 1: ACC is going to be pyrotechnic on offense, because, as
Speaker 1: you'll find out shortly once we get to the coastal,
Speaker 1: plenty of teams have their own offensive question marks. But
Speaker 1: suffice to say this is this is a bit of
Speaker 1: a challenge for a wake Forest team that you know
Speaker 1: is turning over a great deal.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like how they have to improve too bad
Speaker 2: on offense to make progress. Wake Forest feels like a
Speaker 2: team that is like a hitter who is not a
Speaker 2: good would hit her like a baseball player hitter, but
Speaker 2: he'll foul it off a bunch of times.
Speaker 1: He'll make you earn it. You bringing that for the
Speaker 1: hit and run.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, he'll wear you down. They might ground out eventually,
Speaker 2: but he'll he'll make it difficult.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, they again feel like a bold team to me,
Speaker 2: just because of the talent on defense. So I'm gonna
Speaker 2: say six and six for Wake Let's.
Speaker 1: Go to the q S, Dad, we are breaking Shoot,
Speaker 1: I am naming Syracuse is my third favorite FBS school
Speaker 1: this fall. Really, so Notre Dame is. Notre Dame is
Speaker 1: still number one. Notre Dame is is Yes, there's still number.
Speaker 1: Penn State is two. Yeap, Syracuse I think is my three.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm okay, So just really aligning yourself with the
Speaker 2: friendliest fan base, that's right, That's right?
Speaker 1: Yeah, uh, just about everyone's back. Still not a not
Speaker 1: a whole lot of senior leadership on this team, which
Speaker 1: means that next year could really be the year to
Speaker 1: name them my third favorite team, provided, of course, that
Speaker 1: everyone doesn't declare for the NFL draft, which is always
Speaker 1: a concern if you're playing football or coaching football at Syracuse. Right, yeah,
Speaker 1: the offense is gonna score. There's gonna be a ton
Speaker 1: of fun to watch. Dino Babers as a bit of
Speaker 1: a track record in the second year. The second year,
Speaker 1: Dino Baber's surge is a real thing. The defense, ah,
Speaker 1: let's talk about the offense instead.
Speaker 2: That's how it'll be introduced during games. Let's take a
Speaker 2: look who's coming out on the field for the Orange.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about Eric Dungee. Right, yeah, I'm excited to
Speaker 1: watch this team play. Defense could be a bit of
Speaker 1: a liability, but that's nothing new. The road schedule is brutal,
Speaker 1: very brutal. I do think that Syracuse will be a
Speaker 1: fun team to watch in some of these spots because
Speaker 1: they go to LSU, which is weird game. We'd game
Speaker 1: for cues to play. But at LSU, oh, it's fine.
Speaker 1: They were they went to Syracuse not too long. That's right,
Speaker 1: that's right. Let's a stranger at LSU, at NC State,
Speaker 1: at Miami, at Florida State, and at Wllville. That's all
Speaker 1: five of their road games at all five are pretty
Speaker 1: damn tough. So I don't know if CUES is a
Speaker 1: Bowl team. I'd like to believe that they are, because
Speaker 1: of course you're my third favorite team in twenty seventeen now.
Speaker 1: But they should at a minimum be fun to watch
Speaker 1: because I think they're gonna score point. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: they're going to give up more than they score a
Speaker 1: little bit more often. I think the game at LSU
Speaker 1: and then NC State Pitt Clemson and at Miami those
Speaker 1: are in consecutive weeks.
Speaker 2: Right, That's what I have down here. Okay, and that's
Speaker 2: tough for this Syracuse team who returns a lot. But
Speaker 2: is that terrific to return I don't know. I don't
Speaker 2: sense it will be all the time. I have Syracuse
Speaker 2: at like four and eight, a fun four and eight,
Speaker 2: but I against this schedule. I don't think they have
Speaker 2: the town talent level yet to really scare anybody that good.
Speaker 1: Yeah. See, that's the thing. They might not make a Bowl.
Speaker 1: They'll be fun to watch, though. They'll be fun to watch. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Eric Dungeon needs to stay healthy though. That's been the
Speaker 1: tough thing. All right, let's move on to go to
Speaker 1: Boston College. Dan b c m hmm. I'd like to
Speaker 1: read a passage if I could m okay, will you
Speaker 1: read it in an accent of some kind? I can't
Speaker 1: do accents. Okay. This is from the wise profit known
Speaker 1: as Doctor Seuss quote. You will come to a place
Speaker 1: where the streets are not marked. Some windows are lighted,
Speaker 1: but mostly they're dark. Okay, is that about Chestnut Hill?
Speaker 1: This concludes my Boston College preview, Dan.
Speaker 2: Wow, Okay, I will be a little bit lengthier, but
Speaker 2: not much lengthier. Offense is going to be kind of
Speaker 2: a mess. They're going to be not that exciting, but
Speaker 2: they might have a promising young quarterback and Anthony Robinson. Defensively,
Speaker 2: they're going to be very good upfront. The secondary is
Speaker 2: this is a running theme, questionable secondary. Yeah, team, questionable secondary.
Speaker 2: But I do have a dude alert tye.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, okay. This might be the uh the one
Speaker 1: lighted window at Doctor SEUs saw in.
Speaker 2: This is the one lit window Chestnut Hill. Harold Landry
Speaker 2: defensive end is.
Speaker 1: So good.
Speaker 2: He is scary, he is stupid, He has magnificent He
Speaker 2: reminds me a lot of Vic Beasley if you remember
Speaker 2: from a few years ago at Clemson. Yeah, he's not huge,
Speaker 2: but he's so fast and so relentless. And if we're
Speaker 2: going to talk about Syracuse's defense with Ah, we should
Speaker 2: be talking about Harold Landry plays with.
Speaker 1: That's not nice. That's not nice at all.
Speaker 2: He's so good and the defensive line will be very
Speaker 2: good too. But Harold Landry is He has a pain
Speaker 2: in the ass and I love watching him. So that's
Speaker 2: who you should be paying attention to. The schedule for
Speaker 2: Boston College isn't great. They have Notre Dame and then
Speaker 2: they go to Clemson and consecutive weeks, and then Virginia
Speaker 2: Tech and going two Louisville and consecutive weeks. They're not
Speaker 2: going to be great, but they won a Bowl last year,
Speaker 2: and if a couple of things break correctly, I think
Speaker 2: they go five and seven, six and six, five, then
Speaker 2: everything works out. Yes, ye're yeah, I think five and seven,
Speaker 2: maybe four and eight.
Speaker 1: Holy crap. Yeah, you're pretty much going doode alert on
Speaker 1: Steve Dazio. Then you're you're buying into well, he is
Speaker 1: the dude of the dood alerts. He is the one
Speaker 1: who started the whole dood alert thing. Yeah. By the way,
Speaker 1: there's a dood alert thread now going on the subreddit.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, put your dudes in there. Huh wow. So
Speaker 1: you're feeling you're feeling okay about this?
Speaker 2: Then I think Boston College will ugly it up against
Speaker 2: somebody and win.
Speaker 1: How about that? Like Louisville, a, Virginia Taulville, right? Or
Speaker 1: Notre Dame. I don't know that's entirely possible. Do they
Speaker 1: have Notre Dame at home? Or is that a weird like?
Speaker 2: Oh, Notre Dame has a road game, let's schedule it
Speaker 2: for Cleveland.
Speaker 1: That game is in Boston. Is that Boston? Oh?
Speaker 2: Is at the alumni stadium. Okay, it's not Boston like
Speaker 2: we're playing at Fenway. No, no, no, no, it's an actual
Speaker 2: college stadium. Okay, cool, Dan.
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Speaker 2: I don't If he didn't respond the last time we
Speaker 2: asked for him to respond, I fear that he's passed
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Speaker 1: Probably well listening to the show. Yeah, yeah. The front
Speaker 1: sevens loaded, Dan, Yeah, it is. Everybody is back for
Speaker 1: the Canes Manny Diaz, Wow, just an amazing job in
Speaker 1: his first year in Coral Gables. Corn Elder's gone in
Speaker 1: the back. That's that's going to obviously hurt the defense.
Speaker 1: The secondary has more questions in the front seventh. Front
Speaker 1: seven is loaded, the real big question here as it is,
Speaker 1: but just about every team in the coastal. By the way,
Speaker 1: Miami fans want to know who's playing quarterback. And I
Speaker 1: think Miami fans wanted to be Nicosi Perry because he's
Speaker 1: the four stars upside. Yeah, he's a four star guy.
Speaker 1: He's a true freshman. Mark Rick said a few days
Speaker 1: ago that if he were making the call now, he'd
Speaker 1: pick one of the older guys in the team, so
Speaker 1: either Malik Rosier or Evan Sheriff's. But he hasn't made
Speaker 1: that decision yet, so I suppose there's still time you
Speaker 1: could go with Perry. Right now, it looks like Rosier
Speaker 1: probably has the inside track on being named the starter.
Speaker 1: If he is a starter, he can throw to my
Speaker 1: boy almost my dood alert a Mon Richards, who broke
Speaker 1: all of Michael Irvin's school records for freshman receiving yardage
Speaker 1: last year. He's going to be a target out wide.
Speaker 1: And I like Mark Walton and some of the other
Speaker 1: key cogs they have there. But the big question is quarterback.
Speaker 2: Who is playing cour I don't have the answer now,
Speaker 2: you I didn't know if you were expecting some sort
Speaker 2: of insight. Now it seems like it's still pretty wide
Speaker 2: open and everybody sort of brings their own advantage and disadvantage.
Speaker 2: I think the key for Miami is ride that defensive
Speaker 2: front seven. The secondary is not bad. I think you
Speaker 2: covered everything good about the skill guys, a little bit
Speaker 2: worried about the offensive line. So it's good that they
Speaker 2: have Mark Rick, who has traditionally been very good with
Speaker 2: developing quarterbacks, and brad Kaya was not world beating, but efficient,
Speaker 2: I would say for Miami, and sure consistency is good
Speaker 2: enough for pretty much ninety eight percent of programs. The
Speaker 2: schedule is not bad. I don't think they play Clemson right, correct.
Speaker 2: They get Notre Dame and Virginia Tech both at home,
Speaker 2: I think consecutively after North Carolina on the road. But
Speaker 2: you know they go to Florida State early on. And
Speaker 2: the other big name that you left out, I mean
Speaker 2: many Diaz, excuse me, deserves credit. But Craig Kolangowski defensive
Speaker 2: line coach, the guy that developed every single one of
Speaker 2: those ridiculous Missouri players, Michael sam Cony, Eally, Charles Harris.
Speaker 2: He is now coaching for Miami, and that is a
Speaker 2: very good thing for Miami. So I expect them to
Speaker 2: terrorize a number of teams and maybe win a game
Speaker 2: they shouldn't because of that front. So I've got nine
Speaker 2: to three here, Yeah, despite not having a quarterback in place.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, I'm feeling Miami in a good way this year.
Speaker 1: We're going to know a lot about them. In Week
Speaker 1: three at Florida State, wasn't a.
Speaker 2: Mon Richards and I think you're right. Wasn't Amon Richards
Speaker 2: the one who jumped over the Notre Dame corner? That
Speaker 2: was a wonderful moment. Even as a Notre Dame fan,
Speaker 2: that had to have been a little bit like, okay,
Speaker 2: that was fine. I'm really glad that you bring up
Speaker 2: him hurdling a Notre Dame defender. Think my favorite kind
Speaker 2: of picture that is taken by professional photographers, and you know,
Speaker 2: all newspapers should have those whenever that moment where a
Speaker 2: player appears to be tackling nothing because they've been hurdled.
Speaker 2: That's such a great just photograph all the time.
Speaker 1: Do you like Miami more than Virginia Tech? It's closed, right,
Speaker 1: I think so.
Speaker 2: I think I like Miami better because I like the
Speaker 2: skill on offense that will surround whoever. I mean, the
Speaker 2: Tech is gonna start Josh Jackson, and I think the
Speaker 2: offensive line is better in Blacksburg. But I think the
Speaker 2: fact that Miami has the front that it does is
Speaker 2: better than anything that Virginia Tech does, even though they
Speaker 2: also have a good front that I think.
Speaker 1: I like the schedule better. I like Virginia Tech. I do, yeh.
Speaker 1: Josh Jackson is taking over for Gerrod Evans who left.
Speaker 1: He has a similar skill set to Gerard Evans. So
Speaker 1: I would expect that the offense at Tech would look
Speaker 1: fairly similar to what we saw last year, hopefully a
Speaker 1: little bit more efficient. They still have Trayvon McMillan at
Speaker 1: running back. He's a junior this year, had seven touchdowns
Speaker 1: a year ago, but they're gonna need more out of him.
Speaker 1: They're gonna need more efficiency out of McMillan if they
Speaker 1: want to really booy this offense. Because they are experiencing
Speaker 1: some turnover they lose as they afford. They lose Bucky
Speaker 1: Hodges in the passing game. They still have Cam Phillips,
Speaker 1: who's going to be their new number one. But beyond that,
Speaker 1: it's a lot of guys with potential and not a
Speaker 1: lot of experience. It's really a great unknown. And then
Speaker 1: on top of it, the right side of the offensive
Speaker 1: line is being replaced, suffice to say, justin fus in
Speaker 1: front of him. On offense, I don't worry so much
Speaker 1: about the defense because they were really good last year.
Speaker 1: They are young and inexperienced along the line, but it's
Speaker 1: a party in the back dog. They are loaded in
Speaker 1: the back seven, especially at linebacker.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I really Yeah. The linebacking corps is very good.
Speaker 2: There's huge talent along the defensive line, even though they
Speaker 2: replace a good amount. Yeah, I feel pretty good. Well know,
Speaker 2: early on because of West Virginia. And we actually had
Speaker 2: somebody named Bill Greer or Billy Greer tweet us that
Speaker 2: I think you were correct.
Speaker 1: His Twitter name was at least labeled as Clay Tiles.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, and he said that I was correct with
Speaker 1: my analysis of syllables.
Speaker 2: I disputed it. But in any case, Virginia Tech has
Speaker 2: Clemson at home. They don't have Florida State. They do
Speaker 2: have a tough stretch with I think going to Miami
Speaker 2: to Georgia Tech and Pitt.
Speaker 1: But otherwise I feel pretty good about Virginia Tech once again.
Speaker 1: And it's a matter of and I think you hit
Speaker 1: it is you know, can Josh Jackson developed like Jrod
Speaker 1: Evans did, who was older when he arrived in Blacksburg.
Speaker 1: Josh Jackson still a register freshman who has not taken
Speaker 1: an actual snap yet. So maybe they don't win the
Speaker 1: division like they did last year, but they're still a
Speaker 1: dangerous enough team and I think they're they're sort of
Speaker 1: in that eight and four, nine and three. If Josh
Speaker 1: Jackson is terrible seven and five. Yeah, And here's the thing,
Speaker 1: justin fluent, they won ten games a year ago. Ten
Speaker 1: wins feels too aggressive of an expectation. But the defense
Speaker 1: again should be good enough to keep them in just
Speaker 1: about every game. And there are a bunch of teams
Speaker 1: in the Coastal that truly could come off the swivel
Speaker 1: and open the doors for TECH, depending on what happens
Speaker 1: at their quarterback situations, because that's a big deal in
Speaker 1: the Coastal this year. They're all looking for new quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: The schedule isn't terrible for a team that's going through
Speaker 1: the kind of rebuild that Tech is going through. I
Speaker 1: think it's it's there. It's potentially their ten wins. I
Speaker 1: don't think it happens. I agree with you. Eight and four,
Speaker 1: nine to three seems much more realistic at this point.
Speaker 2: Also, it's a tough place to play. I know all
Speaker 2: the West Virginia game is in d C, I believe,
Speaker 2: but playing its pit playing against Clemson at home, that's
Speaker 2: that's a tricky place for a green quarterback for Clemson
Speaker 2: against a really good secondary, a pretty good front. If
Speaker 2: you wanted to pencil something in danger wise for Clemson.
Speaker 2: I think it's probably tech on the road.
Speaker 1: You mentioned Pitt. Let's go to Pitt, Let's go secretly decent?
Speaker 1: Are they again? Yeah? I think they're still in that category,
Speaker 1: to be perfectly honest. They've got a new quarterback taking
Speaker 1: over for Nate Peterman, and James Connor has now moved on.
Speaker 1: He's playing for the Steelers, and actually I saw he's
Speaker 1: got one of the top selling jerseys in the NFL. Hell, yeah,
Speaker 1: good for him. They also lost their offensive coordinator, Matt
Speaker 1: Canada to LSU. There is not a ton of experience
Speaker 1: on defense. They've got Penn State and Oklahoma State in
Speaker 1: the non conference. The silver lining is that they don't
Speaker 1: have to play Florida State, Clemson, or Louisville during the
Speaker 1: regular season Lollville. I could play this a couple different
Speaker 1: ways with Pitt. I trust in Pat Nardouzy to put
Speaker 1: together a defense, even though again not a ton of experience.
Speaker 1: I trust in his abilities to put a defense out
Speaker 1: there that will be competitive and keep the team in games. Offense,
Speaker 1: I don't know what to expect. I really don't.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's the reason, Well, okay, I think there's a
Speaker 2: little bit of clarity on offense because we know Max
Speaker 2: Brown is talented, the USC transfer who came over. Sean
Speaker 2: Watson's the new guy calling plays, and not a great
Speaker 2: sign that he tends to leave fan bases disappointed. Didn't
Speaker 2: he leave He left Texas right, yeah, and he was
Speaker 2: in Indiana recently and and sort of helped with quarterbacks.
Speaker 2: I'm curious. I'm curious because Max Brown has weapons. He's
Speaker 2: got Kadri Allison, Quadri Henderson and Jester Wia who are
Speaker 2: i mean underrated, secretly, decent, whatever you want to call it.
Speaker 2: Those are two very good receivers, quality not seen since
Speaker 2: the Larry Fitzgerald Yogi Roth handled that's from the early
Speaker 2: two thousands. Defensively, they got better up front last year,
Speaker 2: but they're replacing everybody and they still gave up way
Speaker 2: too many big plays. Secondary again got a it's a
Speaker 2: bit of a weakness. I'm so worried about this team
Speaker 2: having to win shootouts, so that's my thing. Schedule's nice
Speaker 2: ish because they missed the teams you mentioned, but they
Speaker 2: still travel to Penn State and they have Oklahoma State,
Speaker 2: two teams that will be very eager to throw against
Speaker 2: the secondary. I'm going to say Pitt comes in again.
Speaker 2: I think there's gonna be just and this seems to
Speaker 2: be the way every year in that seven eight win
Speaker 2: sort of place. I think they're gonna be a lot
Speaker 2: like NC State, but sort of flipped where they're going
Speaker 2: to have these crazy games because of the offensive skill,
Speaker 2: but they're also going to lose something stupid. So I
Speaker 2: have it at because the schedule is relatively advantageous. I
Speaker 2: have them at eight and four, eight and four. Yeah, seven,
Speaker 2: seven and five is reasonable. Yeah, I feel more seven
Speaker 2: and five than I do eight and four.
Speaker 1: Pitt has had some really nice schedules recent like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: doesn't it feel like every year when we're doing it
Speaker 1: an ACC preview where it's like Pitt, I don't know
Speaker 1: if they're great, but it's coasting sort of worked out
Speaker 1: Coaston in the coastal. Yeah. I'll also add one final point.
Speaker 1: If Penn State has an opportunity to roll one up
Speaker 1: on Pitt, expect them to pull out all the stops
Speaker 1: and just bear them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, in Penn State is won how many now in
Speaker 2: a row against Pitt. I mean it's got to be
Speaker 2: at least it's big That's why I'm the database. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: all right, Georgia Tech. Okay, I feel I need to
Speaker 2: recuse myself from Georgia Tech. Do you have a crush, ty, No,
Speaker 2: I have no crush. I've never gotten Georgia Tech right,
Speaker 2: and it does.
Speaker 1: It was comforting to read the Bill Connolly preview and
Speaker 1: realize that he's never gotten Georgia Tech right either. I
Speaker 1: will cover Georgia Tech very broadly. They've got an interesting
Speaker 1: game in Week one against Tennessee mm hmmm, which probably
Speaker 1: means more for Tennessee than Georgia Tech. It just means more.
Speaker 1: They've got an offense that needs a replacement for Justin
Speaker 1: Thomas at quarterback. They've got a defense that I got
Speaker 1: to be honest, I looked at it. I am not
Speaker 1: a huge believer. They're relying on a lot of potential
Speaker 1: beyond the secondary, which should just be okay. They also
Speaker 1: played Georgia in the non conference, and they've got a
Speaker 1: road game against Clemson. To me, that is not favorable
Speaker 1: for Georgia Tech's prospects in twenty seventeen. So I am
Speaker 1: not a Georgia Tech believer, which of course means they'll
Speaker 1: probably go nine to three. Where do you stand?
Speaker 2: Probably seven and five, eight and four. They very quietly
Speaker 2: went what they ended up nine to four. Last year
Speaker 2: they went five hundred in the conference. I think somewhere
Speaker 2: around there because of the experience. I like the offensive
Speaker 2: skill that they bring back. And here's the key, and
Speaker 2: this is not just key for Georgia Tech, but for
Speaker 2: any team which offensively plays in a very specific way,
Speaker 2: whether it's uptempo, whether it's Georgia Tech with ball control.
Speaker 2: If you give the ball back to Georgia Tech, if
Speaker 2: you were an opponent of the rambling wreck and you
Speaker 2: give the ball back to them, that's brutal. Again, it
Speaker 2: doesn't bring me any pleasure to bring up the Navy
Speaker 2: Notre Dame game last year.
Speaker 1: I'm sure it gives you no pleasure whatsoever.
Speaker 2: But certainly, the last thing you want to do against
Speaker 2: a ball control team that wants to just physically wear
Speaker 2: you down on the ground is drop the ball onto
Speaker 2: the turf, thrown interception, whatever. And that's what Georgia Tech's
Speaker 2: defense is predicated on. Turning the other team over. That's
Speaker 2: what Texas Tech tries to do and fails to do,
Speaker 2: turning the other team over. You know, putting them in
Speaker 2: bad situations, negative plays, because if they have to play
Speaker 2: you twelve fourteen play drives, whatever, you're just gonna beat
Speaker 2: Georgia Tech. That's just plain and simple.
Speaker 1: They can't.
Speaker 2: It's tough to come back at times for the for
Speaker 2: the Georgia Techies, for the Yellow Jackets. So I am god,
Speaker 2: they're gonna beat somebody good and they're gonna lose to
Speaker 2: somebody dumb it. It just feels like a coastal theme.
Speaker 2: So they have pitt in North Carolina. They will probably
Speaker 2: beat one of those teams in consecutive weeks. They are
Speaker 2: on the road against Miami, on the road against Clemson.
Speaker 2: I don't feel good about them against either one of
Speaker 2: those teams. But could they beat Virginia Tech again this
Speaker 2: year at home? Maybe Georgia a team that we have
Speaker 2: no idea what to expect. Maybe it's a lot of
Speaker 2: babies on there, a lot of toss ups. Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: Georgia Tech.
Speaker 1: Maybe let's go to North Carolina. Okay, North Carolina is interesting.
Speaker 1: Another team. Tell me if you've heard this one before.
Speaker 1: The new quarterback in the coastal. Now they lose general
Speaker 1: Mitch Trubisky, who was drafted very high by the Bears.
Speaker 1: They also lose TJ. Logan and Elijah Hood. They lose
Speaker 1: Ryan Switzer and Bug Howard, so there's some turnover on offense. Defensively,
Speaker 1: their front seven should be good enough. It's not a
Speaker 1: lockdown front seven, but it should be pretty solid. I
Speaker 1: feel confident about five or six wins. But again, these
Speaker 1: teams that have so much turnover, it's really tough to
Speaker 1: forecast where you see them going in the near term.
Speaker 1: I like Larry Fedor. I've always liked Larry Fedor. I
Speaker 1: think he's a good coach, great abs. Brandon Harris is
Speaker 1: probably going to be the starting quarterback, and he does
Speaker 1: not inspire a ton of confidence Dan I saw him
Speaker 1: at LSU. That does not leave me feeling good about
Speaker 1: what this team is going to do against. Again, a
Speaker 1: lot of tweener seven and five, eight and four teams
Speaker 1: that they're going to play in the ACC. So again
Speaker 1: kind of on the fence here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's a reboot year. That's what I
Speaker 2: think our pal Bill Connolly called it. For North Carolina.
Speaker 2: It seems like it's a year that Larry Fedora had
Speaker 2: to really acquaint himself with anybody fast on offense because
Speaker 2: a lot of new faces like you you Steep, your
Speaker 2: phil got it, got it.
Speaker 1: Got it, got it, got it.
Speaker 2: And with Brandon Harris without the continuity at quarterback, I
Speaker 2: think that's gonna be tough a little bit early on.
Speaker 1: Everybody seems to be unproven.
Speaker 2: The offensive line is pretty good, they add a couple transfers,
Speaker 2: they still have experience. Defensively, they struggled until Jeane Chiswick,
Speaker 2: who is now gone. But they're sort of been but
Speaker 2: don't break e and that's an improvement from where they were.
Speaker 2: Schedule is tough roads late. I would say tough roads late,
Speaker 2: but they don't have Florida State or Clemson.
Speaker 1: I don't believe.
Speaker 2: So all things considered, it's good for North Carolina have
Speaker 2: to have a reboot year this year, Let's go to
Speaker 2: their rival.
Speaker 1: Dan. Okay, let's go to Duke the Dukies. Duke to
Speaker 1: me feels like a poor man Syracuse. What oh. I'd
Speaker 1: much rather watch Duke than Syracuse this year. Daniel Jones
Speaker 1: has receivers. The defense is eh. I like Daniel Jones
Speaker 1: a lot. I think that David Cutcliffe is building for
Speaker 1: the future at Duke. I think he's doing a pretty
Speaker 1: good job there. You're talking about Daniel Jones like you
Speaker 1: talk about a cousin you really get along really well with,
Speaker 1: but is married to a nightmare. And that nightmare is
Speaker 1: Duke's secondary their defense. Yeah, yeah, it's tough. I like
Speaker 1: the linebackers. I do like the linebackers for Duke, and
Speaker 1: they've recruited pretty well. Quietly, they've recruited pretty well on
Speaker 1: both sides of the ball. Duke doesn't play Syracuse, by
Speaker 1: the way, which is a bit of well, that makes that,
Speaker 1: that makes that maybe in the ACC Championship, who knows.
Speaker 1: But I would feel much better about Duke if I
Speaker 1: felt better about their secondary. Weird schedule for Duke. Northwestern
Speaker 1: and Baylor in the non conference they go to North Carolina,
Speaker 1: which goodyear to go to North Carolina. They have Miami,
Speaker 1: they don't have Clemson. They go to Virginia Tech. It's
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna I think they're quietly decent, quietly decent. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I like David Cutcliff a lot. I think he is.
Speaker 2: I think he's a pragmatic coach. I think he knows
Speaker 2: pragmatic coach. How about that? How about that tie five dollars?
Speaker 1: Word good for you. Thank you. We've got one team
Speaker 1: left here. Yeah, I think Duke can get back to
Speaker 1: a Bowl game. We'll do a long distance dedication here
Speaker 1: for a good friend Will in Minnesota, who I know,
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, just in for a long time. He writes
Speaker 1: and calls in from time to time about UVA. Virginia
Speaker 1: should be decent in its front seven, right. Yes, I
Speaker 1: like Andrew Brown a lot. There's a lot of good
Speaker 1: young talent, but they are replacing a lot of production
Speaker 1: on offense and there's just there's just a lot of youth.
Speaker 1: I think next year will be better for Bronco Mendenhall.
Speaker 1: We interviewed him shortly after he was hired. He talked
Speaker 1: to us about naming his kids and a very good
Speaker 1: natured guy. He was a fun guy to interview, maybe
Speaker 1: the most fun of any coaches we've had an opportunity
Speaker 1: to speak with here. But it's just going to take
Speaker 1: a while. There wasn't enough in the cupboard for him
Speaker 1: to work with, and I think a good place to
Speaker 1: start this year will be defensively again along that front seven.
Speaker 1: Virginia could have a couple games this year where you
Speaker 1: look at the crawl at the bottom of your CBS game.
Speaker 1: Let's say, and oh, Virginia is within four points of
Speaker 1: Team X here in the third quarter, late in the
Speaker 1: third quarter, just because their defense should be pretty solid.
Speaker 2: Defense should be pretty good. They have an All American
Speaker 2: caliber player in Quinn Blanding. It's big safety who's been
Speaker 2: seems like forever, really good. I like the linebackers, They're
Speaker 2: still pretty young. Secondary, even with Blanding is kind of mixed.
Speaker 2: Road slate is it's pretty tough. They go two Boise
Speaker 2: State early on. They have North Carolina pitting Wolville and
Speaker 2: I think Miami on the road. So offensively, they need
Speaker 2: to do something. They need a spark somewhere, and I
Speaker 2: don't I honestly don't know where it's coming from. The
Speaker 2: skill positions are not that great, the line isn't great,
Speaker 2: the quarterback isn't great. So they're gonna have to win
Speaker 2: some ugly, ugly matchups.
Speaker 1: There you have it, fourteen teams up, fourteen teams down. Dan,
Speaker 1: what is your ACC Championship game? I'm I think I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go a rematch between Miami and Florida State. So
Speaker 1: you're not going Clemson. I'm not going Clemson. Obviously was
Speaker 1: that hard for you because I feel like you really
Speaker 1: like you want to pick Clemson, but your mind is
Speaker 1: telling you otherwise.
Speaker 2: You know what, No, I'm selling gonna go Florida State.
Speaker 2: Let me look at Florida State schedule once again. I
Speaker 2: have in front of me Florida States schedule is it's
Speaker 2: pretty good. Even though they're at Clemson at Florida will
Speaker 2: not affect their acc standing. So I am going to
Speaker 2: stay with Florida.
Speaker 1: I like Florida State against Miami. I could see it
Speaker 1: being Virginia Tech, but right now I favor Miami because
Speaker 1: I like their defense a little bit more than I
Speaker 1: like Virginia Techs. And I trusted Mark Rick's ability to
Speaker 1: develop a quarterback right that game's at Miami too. Game
Speaker 1: is at Miami. What I will say about Florida State
Speaker 1: is because of their strength of schedule. And I've seen
Speaker 1: this post it in a couple places. Actually today, I
Speaker 1: was going to say it before I read it. I
Speaker 1: promised you this is a team that even if they
Speaker 1: have two losses, they could lose to Alabama week one,
Speaker 1: they could lose another game along the way and still
Speaker 1: be viewed highly enough by the Playoff Selection Committee that
Speaker 1: they could be a choice to make it into that
Speaker 1: final four if they win the ACC. I think it's
Speaker 1: I think it's on the table for them to be selected,
Speaker 1: maybe with two losses, if it should come to.
Speaker 2: That, right, Okay, could happen. Okay, I'm rooting for the
Speaker 2: Knowles this year. Who is the ACC Offensive Player of
Speaker 2: the Year? And you can't say Lamar Jackson? Damn you ready,
Speaker 2: I'll give you mine first. I'll give you another second
Speaker 2: to think about you.
Speaker 1: Go ahead. Here it is Quadri Henderson, your boy, Pittsburgh
Speaker 1: Panthers love him. If I can't say Lamar Jackson, come on,
Speaker 1: there's a couple of good running backs here. Yeah, Walton, No,
Speaker 1: I don't think Deon Kane is your dude. I could
Speaker 1: go Deon Kane. But are you a full believer in
Speaker 1: Kelly Bryant. No, I'm not. See that's the problem. I'll
Speaker 1: say DeAndre Francois.
Speaker 2: DeAndre france Wall Okay, defensive player of the Year. And
Speaker 2: you can't say no, you can't say Derwin James, Harold Landry.
Speaker 2: Then yeah, I'm gonna go Harold Landry. Ah, Yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna go Harold Landry. He had sixteen and a half
Speaker 2: sex last year. He's very good. He is very good
Speaker 2: at football. Another defensive name I like a lot. Wake
Speaker 2: Forest has a defensive end named Duke, which is very
Speaker 2: confusing for me. Tied to EDG four, I believe, and
Speaker 2: he was very productive last year and I think he
Speaker 2: will be again super fun to watch.
Speaker 1: You can say the complicated ACDC names this year. Okay,
Speaker 1: I said pragmatic tie and I pronounced it correctly. There
Speaker 1: you have it. So we're both going Florida State ACC. Cool.
Speaker 1: Who's the worst team in the ACC this year? Virginia?
Speaker 1: I think I think we agree. We agree Virginia close second?
Speaker 1: I think is Boston College? Okay? All right, go on uva,
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Speaker 2: Are we forgetting about Lamar Jackson? A lot of people
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