Speaker 1: M hey everyone and welcome. It could happen here. I'm
Speaker 1: Andrew the YouTube channel andrewism. I would like to borrow
Speaker 1: some of your time today or tonight, whenever you're listening
Speaker 1: to talk about movements, the fact that humans move around
Speaker 1: and the most Indian restrictions on it in our modern world. Today,
Speaker 1: I'm joined by my co hosts. Hello Garrison here, Hi,
Speaker 1: it's James as well, right, Glad to be here and
Speaker 1: to be here with you guys. So, even before I
Speaker 1: was an anarchist, I would say there were three things
Speaker 1: I really despised. Things I despised from like fairly early
Speaker 1: each that being the education system, advertising and porters. I
Speaker 1: believe freedom of movement is fundamental. I don't know if
Speaker 1: that's controversial or anything, but these days it feels like
Speaker 1: it has reached a point of like really great restriction,
Speaker 1: more so, I think than at most points of human history.
Speaker 1: So I want to talk about the history of borders,
Speaker 1: the role of borders, and the fight against borders. Not
Speaker 1: to give you some context, I guess you didn't talk
Speaker 1: about my accent and from the Caribbean, particularly from Turno,
Speaker 1: Tobago and being from an island nation twin island nation. Actually,
Speaker 1: um I have been made away of the constant through
Speaker 1: history that has been into Ireland migration, whether you're talking
Speaker 1: about the Polynesian migrations across the specific whether you're talking
Speaker 1: about even within the Malay Archipe Loco or the Philippine Archipelago,
Speaker 1: or even when you're talking about of course the Caribbean,
Speaker 1: there's always been, you know, this movement of people going
Speaker 1: from Ireland to Ireland. You know, like Tronada is very
Speaker 1: close to northeastern Venezuela, only eleven kilometers off the coast
Speaker 1: of northeastern Venezuela. Our Northern Range literally called Northern Range
Speaker 1: is an extension of Venezuela's maritime and these mountains, but
Speaker 1: the connections to end there. Human settlements in turn IAD
Speaker 1: dates back at least seven thousand years. In fact, one
Speaker 1: of the oldest human settlements discovered in the Eastern Caribbean,
Speaker 1: the Banuari Trae site, is found in southeastern Turndad. One
Speaker 1: of the leading theories of human dispersal across the world
Speaker 1: places the migration of the Caribbean as beginning in TURNAD
Speaker 1: and going up the Antillian chain. A lot of the
Speaker 1: indigenous groups that settled in turn Ad and in the
Speaker 1: other islands north of turn Ad for the most part,
Speaker 1: migrated up the or No Coal River in what is
Speaker 1: now Venezuela. So exchange and migration between the continent and
Speaker 1: the island has continued undisturbed freely for thousands of years
Speaker 1: before the arrival of the Spanish, and today, in our
Speaker 1: free coote and code post colonial code and code world,
Speaker 1: what was once the norm is now criminalized. Now you
Speaker 1: have to go through this proper process in order to migrate.
Speaker 1: You have to ask permission from governments who draw these
Speaker 1: invisible lines or in some cases violently physical lines in
Speaker 1: the sand and demanded deference. And yet still migration continues
Speaker 1: because migration is a constant of human existence, legal and illegal.
Speaker 1: Recent Venecuela crisis and subsequent migration is just another uptake
Speaker 1: of the stay. Refugees desperate to escape the present um
Speaker 1: of American imperialism and Venezuelan govern mismanagement and all the
Speaker 1: component is ues that have caused Venezuelan crisis have been
Speaker 1: flee into Colombia, to Brazil, to the Dutch Caribean Islands,
Speaker 1: to the other Latin American countries, and of course to
Speaker 1: turn that well, this's my creation is extorted by opportunists, facility,
Speaker 1: by the organized crime of human traffickers, because when you
Speaker 1: try to restrict that kind of demand, when you illegalize
Speaker 1: that kind of movement, the people on the margins, we'll
Speaker 1: try to take advantage of those who are who need
Speaker 1: to move around, because that need is still there. And
Speaker 1: so lines also, of course are not necessarily creating, but
Speaker 1: they still to exacerbate issues like xenophobia, which is you know,
Speaker 1: only amplified by the existence of borders. And they also
Speaker 1: deal with, due to their paperless status, a lot of
Speaker 1: gross exploitation because they struggled to find work and secure
Speaker 1: the basic necessities of life. The Venezuelan refugee crisis is
Speaker 1: a disaster I've seen unfull before my own eyes when
Speaker 1: I have witnessed firsthand, and one that is facilitated and
Speaker 1: exacerbated by the existence of borders. And I've seen similar
Speaker 1: issues occurd at the parts of the world too. You know,
Speaker 1: Borders are enforced between the US and Mexico, between Haiti
Speaker 1: and the Binican Republic, between Spain and Morocco, between Europe
Speaker 1: in the Swanna region, between India and Pakistan, between Australia
Speaker 1: and Indonesia, UM, between Palestine and Israel, and being journalists,
Speaker 1: I'm sure you guys have experienced perhaps foostand other examples
Speaker 1: of the violent enforcement of borders. James, you have any experiences, Yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure. I actually live just about the same distance
Speaker 1: you live from Venezuela. I live about the same distance
Speaker 1: from the US border with Mexico. So I've spent quite
Speaker 1: a lot of my journalistic career crossing the border and
Speaker 1: reporting on the border. And like, it's as you said,
Speaker 1: it's become increasingly violently enforced, and it's just ugly scar
Speaker 1: on on the landscape now. And it's and I often
Speaker 1: like to say, the border doesn't protect people, it controls people.
Speaker 1: It's yeah, it's a very cruel and vicious and entirely
Speaker 1: arbitrary distinction between what is Kumi is Land to the
Speaker 1: north of the border and Kumi is Land to the
Speaker 1: south of the border in my case, yeah, exactly exactly.
Speaker 1: The way that borders have cut through um the ame
Speaker 1: lands of any different indigenous groups has been absolutely disastrous
Speaker 1: for them. This is taken place and of course the US,
Speaker 1: UM and most I suppose recognizably in Africa, where these
Speaker 1: clunial borders have been causing tremendous harm to this day. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a very good point. I remember just talking of
Speaker 1: like weird border things. I remember in just before the pandemic,
Speaker 1: I was on the border between Rwanda and the Democratic
Speaker 1: Republic of Congo, and when you did, it just seems
Speaker 1: so absurd, like to think that you know, some literally
Speaker 1: some I'll do in England, or a line on a
Speaker 1: map or whatever in Germany. But one of the things
Speaker 1: that it creates is this weird situation where plastic bags
Speaker 1: are illegal in Rwanda because they're trying to protect the
Speaker 1: environment and they're not in Congo. So there's like this
Speaker 1: illegal arbitrage trader of of plastic bags across this border.
Speaker 1: And it's just such an odd and constructed, entirely unnecessary
Speaker 1: and strange sort of legacy of the colonial plunder of Africa. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I didn't even hear that before. And that sounds quite interesting. Um,
Speaker 1: he says, between Rwanda and Democrats Republic of the Congo. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it's the border town there, um right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: people people will come across with their plastic bags. Be
Speaker 1: interesting to see how that develops. I know they are
Speaker 1: attempting to unify Democratic Republic of the Congo, Tanzania, Kenya, Uganda,
Speaker 1: Salt Sudan, Um, I think Jubooty and and Somalia and
Speaker 1: a few other places I think into like an East
Speaker 1: African federation. So be interested to see how those umscan
Speaker 1: seas and laws developed. Yeah, the rwandam bordered with Congo
Speaker 1: is that there's a soldier every fifty ms with a
Speaker 1: big machine gun, even going right through the middle of
Speaker 1: the Young Way rainforest, which is very remote by rewinded standards,
Speaker 1: a busy country with lots of people. But yeah, that's
Speaker 1: a very militarized border right now, right, Yeah, Yeah, that
Speaker 1: reminds you it's a less militorized example. UM. I mean,
Speaker 1: people point out the disparity between the US Kindada border
Speaker 1: and the US Mexico border, But I remember reading a
Speaker 1: story somewhere about how person on the Canadian side UM
Speaker 1: had like they could very easily cross over onto the
Speaker 1: US side, but there was like a steep trooper or
Speaker 1: something just standing there and it's like if you cross over,
Speaker 1: have to arrest you. And it's just it's like you're
Speaker 1: right there, We're literally having a conversation face to face,
Speaker 1: and yet if I walk over this our cherry designation,
Speaker 1: I have to be jailed. Yeah, it's biz. There's a
Speaker 1: very arbitrary The border between Neanmar and Thailand is it's
Speaker 1: a funny example like that where like it's a river
Speaker 1: and this is unfortunately resulted in people trying to cross it.
Speaker 1: Here we're able to swim dying, which is terrible, right,
Speaker 1: But one thing that happened, it's like if you're in
Speaker 1: the river, you're in neither country. And so people will
Speaker 1: make stilts, like little stands on stilts which come up
Speaker 1: to the level of the river bank so that they
Speaker 1: can stand in like no man's land or every man's
Speaker 1: land maybe everyone's land, and sell alcohol without paying the
Speaker 1: Thai taxes and things to people who are standing on
Speaker 1: the bank in Thailand. And again it just really illustrates
Speaker 1: how stupid now, but treat this whole thing is so
Speaker 1: as we're talking about the absurdity of boilers, I suppose
Speaker 1: it's wanting fair to get into their history because for
Speaker 1: most of the rule and for most of human existence,
Speaker 1: really free movement has been the status school traders, migrants,
Speaker 1: hunter gatherers, nomads. They freely each a boost. This little
Speaker 1: blue marble, as they call it. Of course, many ethnic
Speaker 1: groups maintains it in relationships with particular lands. But even
Speaker 1: when city states on such rules, it was rare for
Speaker 1: rulers to delineate precisely where their realm ended and another's began.
Speaker 1: The first like large scale restrictions really a rose under
Speaker 1: the Roman emperor Constantine in the fourth century when he
Speaker 1: forbade serves from leaving their lord's land. Documents, of course,
Speaker 1: had to be created to request save passage to ask
Speaker 1: O king, will you please allow me to move from
Speaker 1: point A to point B? My lord, your majesty soon whatever?
Speaker 1: What what do we call the first past sports is
Speaker 1: what quickly in rules the medieval era essentially bound large
Speaker 1: parts of yours population in place by sufdom, and movement
Speaker 1: was viewed by rulers as ruin us to their low
Speaker 1: and order. They needed static populations to stay in place
Speaker 1: so that taxation and the raising of troops and whatever
Speaker 1: they wanted to extract could easily be extracted. Because you know,
Speaker 1: if these persidents were able to just move as they pleased,
Speaker 1: they will probably try to evade taxation that got a
Speaker 1: little bit too excessive. Um, they would probably trying to
Speaker 1: evade the oppression of their rulers, and that they did.
Speaker 1: I mean, throughout feudalism, peasant revolts and uprisings very commonplace,
Speaker 1: and it's due to those revolts of the masses that
Speaker 1: sifdom would come into a decline as a wage labor
Speaker 1: rules in the fifteenth and sixteen centuries. But that would
Speaker 1: mean that free movement came back because now people were
Speaker 1: commodity that a country's government wanted to keep within its borders.
Speaker 1: Surrulers offered citizenship and tax incentives and want to encourage migration.
Speaker 1: And yet while they were encouraging migration, they were also
Speaker 1: kicking people out. So countries like Spain and France were
Speaker 1: either executing or expelling ethnic and religious minorities and mass
Speaker 1: So this period also bring about the rights of nationalism,
Speaker 1: which would tap into an earlier sense of um I
Speaker 1: suppose connection and sort of subvert that from connection to
Speaker 1: community to connection to this abstract notion of nation state,
Speaker 1: the imaginary community of the nation jenn. Nationalism in Europe
Speaker 1: would attempt to unify a vast and diverse range of
Speaker 1: cultural groups and classes under one state, while defining themselves
Speaker 1: against outsiders, and of course this ruling class meta narrative
Speaker 1: exists as a mechanism of manufactured, meaningless loyalty in order
Speaker 1: to control you. But that's a topic for another time.
Speaker 1: This era has also been described as one of the
Speaker 1: largest periods of involuntary migration in human history, that be
Speaker 1: in the Transatlantic slave trade, which trafficed and estimated twelve
Speaker 1: point five million in slave African people between the sixteen
Speaker 1: and nineteenth century. But there was this one key movement
Speaker 1: in history of borders that would have lasted effects to today.
Speaker 1: At the end of the Thirty Years War, the Peace
Speaker 1: of Westphalia was signed by a gen nine principalities and
Speaker 1: touchies and imperial kingdoms which basically agreed in sixty eight
Speaker 1: that the state's borders were inviolable and an absolute sovereign
Speaker 1: state could not interfere the domestic affairs of another. Now,
Speaker 1: of course, this is all just talk right at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, states have continued to interfere the
Speaker 1: domestic affairs of others, will continue to violate the words
Speaker 1: of other states. There are plenty of board disputes that
Speaker 1: are alive and well some decades or even centuries old,
Speaker 1: um on this planet. And then, of course this whole
Speaker 1: idea of West Philian sovereignty would not really be applied
Speaker 1: to people outside of Europe. The actual inhabitants of the
Speaker 1: interesting looking maps that the West Fillian era produced, we're
Speaker 1: not actually made privy to any of those um this
Speaker 1: visions about the drawing up borders. They would also be moving,
Speaker 1: of course people continuously, so you know, Spain was kicking
Speaker 1: out um Jewish people and more's and people who relate
Speaker 1: the heretics as un the inquisition Um. The British was
Speaker 1: moving their dissenters, criminals and general pains and new bombacy
Speaker 1: to settle colonize in places like Australia, which is why
Speaker 1: Australia is like that. And things progress a bit further,
Speaker 1: you have the notion of free trade and free market
Speaker 1: gain in some ground thanks to Adam Smith's new school
Speaker 1: of economics. At the same time, concerns of population and
Speaker 1: the mouths, unemployment and social unrest in Europe led governments
Speaker 1: to start facilities and emigration moving out their colonies the
Speaker 1: more general free flow settler clonalism, which would lead to
Speaker 1: domestic depopulation in Europe. And then there was another shift
Speaker 1: as tend to be the case in human history. As
Speaker 1: in the nineteenth century, migrants from now underdeveloped regions began
Speaker 1: to stream towards the more developed areas and drews. So
Speaker 1: you had North Africans going to France, Italians and Irish
Speaker 1: headed to New York and all the while, of course,
Speaker 1: racism and xenophobia festeran and proliferating as nationalists with top
Speaker 1: fay against the so called threats to their nation. Of course,
Speaker 1: Italians and Irish were eventually assimilated into the hegemonic notion
Speaker 1: of whiteness. But North Africans in France have not been
Speaker 1: so lucky. Oh, I suppose lucky could and could because
Speaker 1: there's a whole conversation about how whiteness destroys cultures and
Speaker 1: erases the unique identities that these people would have come
Speaker 1: up with in an efforts to unite them against minorities
Speaker 1: such as African Americans in the US. Do you see
Speaker 1: this period of lockdown, of this increased nationalism and these restrictions,
Speaker 1: These bad restrictions would also try to manipulate access to
Speaker 1: certain technologies, um the telegraph, the railroad. Yes, they enabled
Speaker 1: central governments to assert their presence across their whole territory.
Speaker 1: But they would also try to compete with other nations
Speaker 1: UM and keep certain secrets regarding technology. See that particularly
Speaker 1: UM during the Cold War, but we'll get to that
Speaker 1: a bit later. During the First World War we have
Speaker 1: the death of some sixteen million people, the Great War UM,
Speaker 1: as you should probably call it if you ever happened
Speaker 1: to time travel to that period. I don't think people
Speaker 1: would want to hear that this is just the first
Speaker 1: two World Wars. But after the World War UM, the
Speaker 1: Great War UM, this seggregationist Wouldrew Wilson, who was US
Speaker 1: President at the time, proposed fourteen points to the international
Speaker 1: community in order to prevent such horrors. And one of
Speaker 1: those core principles of the fourteen points was it the
Speaker 1: globe's borders. We were drawn along clearly recognizable lines of nationality.
Speaker 1: And like I said before, this is of course just
Speaker 1: in Europe. It's not like any of these will leaders
Speaker 1: actually care about the territories they coved up in Africa.
Speaker 1: And I think there was a point that I wanted
Speaker 1: to make about technology and how technology has been restricted
Speaker 1: because when you look at again the real road and telegraph,
Speaker 1: while they enabled the central governments to suit their presence
Speaker 1: send assume their control onlike ever before, the potential these
Speaker 1: technologies was kind of lost. Yes, the railroad in the
Speaker 1: telegraph can help a government to sue its control over
Speaker 1: its territory, but it can just as easily empower people
Speaker 1: to travel further and faster than they ever had before,
Speaker 1: two communicate across greater distances and they ever had before,
Speaker 1: and insteadin the hands of the states. These technologies are
Speaker 1: of course used for oppress events. Back to the end
Speaker 1: of the First World War. In the post war period,
Speaker 1: which saw the collapse of four European empires Ottoman, Russian, Austro,
Speaker 1: Hungarian and German, millions of refugees were left in a
Speaker 1: world where immigration controls are continued to tighten and passports
Speaker 1: gained great a prominence. Last, once the nation state was
Speaker 1: meanted in place fashion Zalman Nazism would quickly arise to
Speaker 1: god its supposed to purity. The world would once again
Speaker 1: be plunged into war, the second one, this time which
Speaker 1: would again leave millions of uprooted and displaced people that
Speaker 1: states like Switzerland quote unquote neutral and the US would
Speaker 1: largely refuse to assist. After the Second World War, nation
Speaker 1: building would continue to displace and slaughter some millions of
Speaker 1: ethnic and religious minorities. Millions of refugees have been dismissed
Speaker 1: from lands that have been colonized and imperialized, and intervened
Speaker 1: with wars and wrecked with just the destruction of climate
Speaker 1: change and poverty. And yet immigration controls only tightened further,
Speaker 1: and they will likely continue to tighten due to the
Speaker 1: effects of climate migration and climate collapse, especially in our
Speaker 1: post ninety leveln reality. US border patrolling particular has escalated
Speaker 1: to employed twenty thousand agents, and Israel Run is the
Speaker 1: largest open air prison in the world. These days, militarized
Speaker 1: borders with heavily guarded barbed wire and electrified fences, which
Speaker 1: were once common in times of war, have now been
Speaker 1: a staple of times of peace. These managinary lines and
Speaker 1: the map have become in some places violent fixtures on
Speaker 1: the landscape, with thousands of people lose their lives every
Speaker 1: year for simply trying to cross. We've entered an era
Speaker 1: of essentially bordering without precedent, and thanks to today's technology,
Speaker 1: governments no more now about the people they govern, the
Speaker 1: people within their territory, but at any point prior in
Speaker 1: human history. Cross border surveillance keeps neighbors in the new
Speaker 1: managing and monitoring their populous like lab rates, data has
Speaker 1: become more valuable then black Cold itself. These governments have
Speaker 1: chosen to wall, and so they this is our will now.
Speaker 1: It's not some future cyberpunk, the stupia, the curveillance capitalist
Speaker 1: heales keepers here now and borders have an important rule
Speaker 1: to play. But as our power structure their system of control.
Speaker 1: As the writers A Crime think Of said, there's only
Speaker 1: one world on the border is tearing it apart. And
Speaker 1: I think the idea of borders extends much further than
Speaker 1: just the nations borders. When you look at the Internet,
Speaker 1: fire walls, the checkpoints, the hidden databases, the for profit prisons,
Speaker 1: indicated communities, all these different boundaries enforced by ceaseless violence,
Speaker 1: enforced by a deep autation, enforced by visual anti attacks,
Speaker 1: by street haraspment, by torture, All of these boundaries are
Speaker 1: holding us back and tearing us apart. Migrants, due to
Speaker 1: their vulnerable status or often the first target when it
Speaker 1: comes to the economic down to and depression. Civilians and
Speaker 1: scapegoating nations wield fair of this other and they use
Speaker 1: that to prevent their people from fighting for better. They
Speaker 1: turned their eye towards another victim. I doesn't even get
Speaker 1: into all the different categories that have been constructed my
Speaker 1: grant expert refugee, asylum seeker, illegal alien, and that one
Speaker 1: in particular really grinds my cares because it is a
Speaker 1: believe the pinnacle of dehumanization to look at a person
Speaker 1: who's dice just man just managed to like just by
Speaker 1: happen sands fell on the other side of the border,
Speaker 1: to look at them and to deem them alien, deem
Speaker 1: them illegal, to brand them that, and I even acknowledge
Speaker 1: the humanity when referring to them. And it's become a
Speaker 1: normalized part of political discourse to speak of illegal aliens.
Speaker 1: But I don't think we should forget just how violent
Speaker 1: that kind of languages. It's particularly violent when you count
Speaker 1: for the fact that while these borders are used to
Speaker 1: restrict people on the lowest rung of society, capital has
Speaker 1: very few restrictions. In fact, that has much less restrictions,
Speaker 1: and people the rich and their capital can cross borders
Speaker 1: with ease, go from place to place without munch process.
Speaker 1: And in fact, we look at Jeff Bass. Also we
Speaker 1: say that, oh, well, he's the richest man the world
Speaker 1: for but when you account for the wealth that has
Speaker 1: not been accounted for, I think it must be put
Speaker 1: into perspective that Bill Gates are Sackaboo, Jeff Beazles, etcetera.
Speaker 1: They are the richest people that we know of, not
Speaker 1: necessarily the richest. A global economy has also been, of course,
Speaker 1: moving resources for a while now. Resources have more freedom
Speaker 1: than people. The unequal and even development has extracted minerals
Speaker 1: and materials from some parts of the process them in
Speaker 1: other parts of the world, manufacture them in other parts
Speaker 1: of the world, and then sold worldwide for the profits
Speaker 1: to be hoarded by select few countries and select a
Speaker 1: few people. These wealthy countries under the poor and then
Speaker 1: brutalize those who follow. Where the opportunities of Antica. But
Speaker 1: I don't think that one's opportunities one freedom. One's freedom
Speaker 1: should be restricted by where they were born or by
Speaker 1: the wealth that they do to not control. Passports, inequality
Speaker 1: is essue that should not exist. Passports should not exist.
Speaker 1: Palestinians can travel visa free to only thirty eight countries
Speaker 1: and territories. Yet those in the West Bank are restricted
Speaker 1: by violent by violent checkpoints, and those who live in
Speaker 1: gas are call you the stript at all. Meanwhile, other
Speaker 1: regions enjoy fast These are free travels, such as humans
Speaker 1: who have access to d countries and territories, or the
Speaker 1: Japanese who enjoy the most freedom, piece of free of all,
Speaker 1: with ninety three countries available to them. A billionaire like
Speaker 1: Elon Musket flying wherever he wants in his private jet.
Speaker 1: A political prisoner like a Jory Luta, who can be
Speaker 1: kept in solitary bears on end traditional seafear and channels
Speaker 1: and land has been militarized and guarded by these vast navies,
Speaker 1: by these vast troops, by these these machines, These structures
Speaker 1: that disconnected, unraveled the deep ties between communities. Borderston us
Speaker 1: all into prisoners, and I think it's about time we
Speaker 1: resisted them. As the underground railroads of anti Nazi and
Speaker 1: anti slavery resistance has shown everyday people can help everyday people,
Speaker 1: no matter the obstacles. If you live in a border
Speaker 1: sanctuary city or a migrant community, they are probably already
Speaker 1: groups that are put in this work, and you could
Speaker 1: join that infrastructure resistance if not, you can help to
Speaker 1: create that infrastructure to connect with people who are affected
Speaker 1: by borders in ways that you aren't. I mean, perhaps
Speaker 1: you have a neighbor or a cool worker who's undocumented
Speaker 1: and could use help in that. Try to connect cross
Speaker 1: border formal and informal, public and coland design because these connections,
Speaker 1: these networks, or how people move live and evade state violence. Obviously,
Speaker 1: I can't speak for everybody situation because different people's legal status,
Speaker 1: language ability, education level, gender, raised class, commit muns and ability.
Speaker 1: What a fact that can atribution to this anti borders movement.
Speaker 1: But however you decide to contribute, I hope that you
Speaker 1: would remember who it is we're trying to help. We're
Speaker 1: not trying to act as you know, these saints for
Speaker 1: the media, and I recognized the irony of saying saints
Speaker 1: in particular considered my allD YouTube name. But the media
Speaker 1: is not all focus. The audience of our actions is
Speaker 1: not public opinion. It is those we want fighting with us,
Speaker 1: people who need our help, people who know the violent
Speaker 1: supporters forstand so they get into direct action. Two, you know,
Speaker 1: directly affect the material outcomes of people influence our borders.
Speaker 1: You know, whether you're helping my creation prisoner manach to escape,
Speaker 1: or helping one person get a roof over their head
Speaker 1: in an asylum case, having a person who is trapped
Speaker 1: in this system to find the strength to get through
Speaker 1: a day. These actions refupreating our communities, and they kilp
Speaker 1: oup others do the same. You also need, of course,
Speaker 1: more infrastructure, networks, alliances, skills and resources to be cultivated
Speaker 1: to strengthen our autonomy from these structures and to develop
Speaker 1: ability to defend against them. And of course these actions
Speaker 1: should be rooted in some strategy long term and short
Speaker 1: term for overcoming this regime months and for all. Just
Speaker 1: for a final would I would say that there is
Speaker 1: nothing necessary or inevitable about borders. Only the violence of
Speaker 1: their most ardent believers keep them in place, and without them,
Speaker 1: what as with seems to exist. Borders can only exist
Speaker 1: if they are enforced, and together we can make borders
Speaker 1: an enforceable. Together, we can create a will in which
Speaker 1: everyone is free to travel, free to create, and free
Speaker 1: to exist on their own terms. Now's it. If you
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