WEBVTT - Borders with Andrew

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<v Speaker 1>M hey everyone and welcome. It could happen here. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>Andrew the YouTube channel andrewism. I would like to borrow

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<v Speaker 1>some of your time today or tonight, whenever you're listening

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about movements, the fact that humans move around

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<v Speaker 1>and the most Indian restrictions on it in our modern world. Today,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm joined by my co hosts. Hello Garrison here, Hi,

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<v Speaker 1>it's James as well, right, Glad to be here and

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<v Speaker 1>to be here with you guys. So, even before I

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<v Speaker 1>was an anarchist, I would say there were three things

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<v Speaker 1>I really despised. Things I despised from like fairly early

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<v Speaker 1>each that being the education system, advertising and porters. I

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<v Speaker 1>believe freedom of movement is fundamental. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>that's controversial or anything, but these days it feels like

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<v Speaker 1>it has reached a point of like really great restriction,

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<v Speaker 1>more so, I think than at most points of human history.

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<v Speaker 1>So I want to talk about the history of borders,

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<v Speaker 1>the role of borders, and the fight against borders. Not

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<v Speaker 1>to give you some context, I guess you didn't talk

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<v Speaker 1>about my accent and from the Caribbean, particularly from Turno,

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<v Speaker 1>Tobago and being from an island nation twin island nation. Actually,

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<v Speaker 1>um I have been made away of the constant through

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<v Speaker 1>history that has been into Ireland migration, whether you're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about the Polynesian migrations across the specific whether you're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about even within the Malay Archipe Loco or the Philippine Archipelago,

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<v Speaker 1>or even when you're talking about of course the Caribbean,

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<v Speaker 1>there's always been, you know, this movement of people going

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<v Speaker 1>from Ireland to Ireland. You know, like Tronada is very

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<v Speaker 1>close to northeastern Venezuela, only eleven kilometers off the coast

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<v Speaker 1>of northeastern Venezuela. Our Northern Range literally called Northern Range

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<v Speaker 1>is an extension of Venezuela's maritime and these mountains, but

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<v Speaker 1>the connections to end there. Human settlements in turn IAD

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<v Speaker 1>dates back at least seven thousand years. In fact, one

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<v Speaker 1>of the oldest human settlements discovered in the Eastern Caribbean,

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<v Speaker 1>the Banuari Trae site, is found in southeastern Turndad. One

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<v Speaker 1>of the leading theories of human dispersal across the world

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<v Speaker 1>places the migration of the Caribbean as beginning in TURNAD

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<v Speaker 1>and going up the Antillian chain. A lot of the

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<v Speaker 1>indigenous groups that settled in turn Ad and in the

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<v Speaker 1>other islands north of turn Ad for the most part,

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<v Speaker 1>migrated up the or No Coal River in what is

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<v Speaker 1>now Venezuela. So exchange and migration between the continent and

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<v Speaker 1>the island has continued undisturbed freely for thousands of years

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<v Speaker 1>before the arrival of the Spanish, and today, in our

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<v Speaker 1>free coote and code post colonial code and code world,

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<v Speaker 1>what was once the norm is now criminalized. Now you

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<v Speaker 1>have to go through this proper process in order to migrate.

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<v Speaker 1>You have to ask permission from governments who draw these

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<v Speaker 1>invisible lines or in some cases violently physical lines in

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<v Speaker 1>the sand and demanded deference. And yet still migration continues

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<v Speaker 1>because migration is a constant of human existence, legal and illegal.

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<v Speaker 1>Recent Venecuela crisis and subsequent migration is just another uptake

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<v Speaker 1>of the stay. Refugees desperate to escape the present um

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<v Speaker 1>of American imperialism and Venezuelan govern mismanagement and all the

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<v Speaker 1>component is ues that have caused Venezuelan crisis have been

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<v Speaker 1>flee into Colombia, to Brazil, to the Dutch Caribean Islands,

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<v Speaker 1>to the other Latin American countries, and of course to

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<v Speaker 1>turn that well, this's my creation is extorted by opportunists, facility,

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<v Speaker 1>by the organized crime of human traffickers, because when you

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<v Speaker 1>try to restrict that kind of demand, when you illegalize

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<v Speaker 1>that kind of movement, the people on the margins, we'll

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<v Speaker 1>try to take advantage of those who are who need

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<v Speaker 1>to move around, because that need is still there. And

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<v Speaker 1>so lines also, of course are not necessarily creating, but

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<v Speaker 1>they still to exacerbate issues like xenophobia, which is you know,

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<v Speaker 1>only amplified by the existence of borders. And they also

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<v Speaker 1>deal with, due to their paperless status, a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>gross exploitation because they struggled to find work and secure

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<v Speaker 1>the basic necessities of life. The Venezuelan refugee crisis is

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<v Speaker 1>a disaster I've seen unfull before my own eyes when

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<v Speaker 1>I have witnessed firsthand, and one that is facilitated and

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<v Speaker 1>exacerbated by the existence of borders. And I've seen similar

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<v Speaker 1>issues occurd at the parts of the world too. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>Borders are enforced between the US and Mexico, between Haiti

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<v Speaker 1>and the Binican Republic, between Spain and Morocco, between Europe

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<v Speaker 1>in the Swanna region, between India and Pakistan, between Australia

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<v Speaker 1>and Indonesia, UM, between Palestine and Israel, and being journalists,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure you guys have experienced perhaps foostand other examples

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<v Speaker 1>of the violent enforcement of borders. James, you have any experiences, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>for sure. I actually live just about the same distance

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<v Speaker 1>you live from Venezuela. I live about the same distance

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<v Speaker 1>from the US border with Mexico. So I've spent quite

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of my journalistic career crossing the border and

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<v Speaker 1>reporting on the border. And like, it's as you said,

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<v Speaker 1>it's become increasingly violently enforced, and it's just ugly scar

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<v Speaker 1>on on the landscape now. And it's and I often

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<v Speaker 1>like to say, the border doesn't protect people, it controls people.

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<v Speaker 1>It's yeah, it's a very cruel and vicious and entirely

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<v Speaker 1>arbitrary distinction between what is Kumi is Land to the

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<v Speaker 1>north of the border and Kumi is Land to the

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<v Speaker 1>south of the border in my case, yeah, exactly exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>The way that borders have cut through um the ame

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<v Speaker 1>lands of any different indigenous groups has been absolutely disastrous

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<v Speaker 1>for them. This is taken place and of course the US,

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<v Speaker 1>UM and most I suppose recognizably in Africa, where these

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<v Speaker 1>clunial borders have been causing tremendous harm to this day. Yeah. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a very good point. I remember just talking of

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<v Speaker 1>like weird border things. I remember in just before the pandemic,

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<v Speaker 1>I was on the border between Rwanda and the Democratic

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<v Speaker 1>Republic of Congo, and when you did, it just seems

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<v Speaker 1>so absurd, like to think that you know, some literally

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<v Speaker 1>some I'll do in England, or a line on a

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<v Speaker 1>map or whatever in Germany. But one of the things

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<v Speaker 1>that it creates is this weird situation where plastic bags

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<v Speaker 1>are illegal in Rwanda because they're trying to protect the

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<v Speaker 1>environment and they're not in Congo. So there's like this

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<v Speaker 1>illegal arbitrage trader of of plastic bags across this border.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's just such an odd and constructed, entirely unnecessary

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<v Speaker 1>and strange sort of legacy of the colonial plunder of Africa. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't even hear that before. And that sounds quite interesting. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>he says, between Rwanda and Democrats Republic of the Congo. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's the border town there, um right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>people people will come across with their plastic bags. Be

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<v Speaker 1>interesting to see how that develops. I know they are

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<v Speaker 1>attempting to unify Democratic Republic of the Congo, Tanzania, Kenya, Uganda,

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<v Speaker 1>Salt Sudan, Um, I think Jubooty and and Somalia and

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<v Speaker 1>a few other places I think into like an East

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<v Speaker 1>African federation. So be interested to see how those umscan

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<v Speaker 1>seas and laws developed. Yeah, the rwandam bordered with Congo

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<v Speaker 1>is that there's a soldier every fifty ms with a

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<v Speaker 1>big machine gun, even going right through the middle of

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<v Speaker 1>the Young Way rainforest, which is very remote by rewinded standards,

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<v Speaker 1>a busy country with lots of people. But yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 1>a very militarized border right now, right, Yeah, Yeah, that

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<v Speaker 1>reminds you it's a less militorized example. UM. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>people point out the disparity between the US Kindada border

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<v Speaker 1>and the US Mexico border, But I remember reading a

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<v Speaker 1>story somewhere about how person on the Canadian side UM

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<v Speaker 1>had like they could very easily cross over onto the

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<v Speaker 1>US side, but there was like a steep trooper or

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<v Speaker 1>something just standing there and it's like if you cross over,

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<v Speaker 1>have to arrest you. And it's just it's like you're

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<v Speaker 1>right there, We're literally having a conversation face to face,

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<v Speaker 1>and yet if I walk over this our cherry designation,

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<v Speaker 1>I have to be jailed. Yeah, it's biz. There's a

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<v Speaker 1>very arbitrary The border between Neanmar and Thailand is it's

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<v Speaker 1>a funny example like that where like it's a river

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<v Speaker 1>and this is unfortunately resulted in people trying to cross it.

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<v Speaker 1>Here we're able to swim dying, which is terrible, right,

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<v Speaker 1>But one thing that happened, it's like if you're in

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<v Speaker 1>the river, you're in neither country. And so people will

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<v Speaker 1>make stilts, like little stands on stilts which come up

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<v Speaker 1>to the level of the river bank so that they

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<v Speaker 1>can stand in like no man's land or every man's

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<v Speaker 1>land maybe everyone's land, and sell alcohol without paying the

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<v Speaker 1>Thai taxes and things to people who are standing on

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<v Speaker 1>the bank in Thailand. And again it just really illustrates

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<v Speaker 1>how stupid now, but treat this whole thing is so

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<v Speaker 1>as we're talking about the absurdity of boilers, I suppose

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<v Speaker 1>it's wanting fair to get into their history because for

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<v Speaker 1>most of the rule and for most of human existence,

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<v Speaker 1>really free movement has been the status school traders, migrants,

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<v Speaker 1>hunter gatherers, nomads. They freely each a boost. This little

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<v Speaker 1>blue marble, as they call it. Of course, many ethnic

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<v Speaker 1>groups maintains it in relationships with particular lands. But even

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<v Speaker 1>when city states on such rules, it was rare for

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<v Speaker 1>rulers to delineate precisely where their realm ended and another's began.

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<v Speaker 1>The first like large scale restrictions really a rose under

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<v Speaker 1>the Roman emperor Constantine in the fourth century when he

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<v Speaker 1>forbade serves from leaving their lord's land. Documents, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>had to be created to request save passage to ask

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<v Speaker 1>O king, will you please allow me to move from

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<v Speaker 1>point A to point B? My lord, your majesty soon whatever?

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<v Speaker 1>What what do we call the first past sports is

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<v Speaker 1>what quickly in rules the medieval era essentially bound large

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<v Speaker 1>parts of yours population in place by sufdom, and movement

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<v Speaker 1>was viewed by rulers as ruin us to their low

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<v Speaker 1>and order. They needed static populations to stay in place

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<v Speaker 1>so that taxation and the raising of troops and whatever

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<v Speaker 1>they wanted to extract could easily be extracted. Because you know,

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<v Speaker 1>if these persidents were able to just move as they pleased,

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<v Speaker 1>they will probably try to evade taxation that got a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit too excessive. Um, they would probably trying to

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<v Speaker 1>evade the oppression of their rulers, and that they did.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, throughout feudalism, peasant revolts and uprisings very commonplace,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's due to those revolts of the masses that

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<v Speaker 1>sifdom would come into a decline as a wage labor

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<v Speaker 1>rules in the fifteenth and sixteen centuries. But that would

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<v Speaker 1>mean that free movement came back because now people were

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<v Speaker 1>commodity that a country's government wanted to keep within its borders.

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<v Speaker 1>Surrulers offered citizenship and tax incentives and want to encourage migration.

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<v Speaker 1>And yet while they were encouraging migration, they were also

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<v Speaker 1>kicking people out. So countries like Spain and France were

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<v Speaker 1>either executing or expelling ethnic and religious minorities and mass

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<v Speaker 1>So this period also bring about the rights of nationalism,

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<v Speaker 1>which would tap into an earlier sense of um I

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<v Speaker 1>suppose connection and sort of subvert that from connection to

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<v Speaker 1>community to connection to this abstract notion of nation state,

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<v Speaker 1>the imaginary community of the nation jenn. Nationalism in Europe

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<v Speaker 1>would attempt to unify a vast and diverse range of

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<v Speaker 1>cultural groups and classes under one state, while defining themselves

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<v Speaker 1>against outsiders, and of course this ruling class meta narrative

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<v Speaker 1>exists as a mechanism of manufactured, meaningless loyalty in order

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<v Speaker 1>to control you. But that's a topic for another time.

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<v Speaker 1>This era has also been described as one of the

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<v Speaker 1>largest periods of involuntary migration in human history, that be

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<v Speaker 1>in the Transatlantic slave trade, which trafficed and estimated twelve

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<v Speaker 1>point five million in slave African people between the sixteen

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<v Speaker 1>and nineteenth century. But there was this one key movement

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<v Speaker 1>in history of borders that would have lasted effects to today.

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<v Speaker 1>At the end of the Thirty Years War, the Peace

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<v Speaker 1>of Westphalia was signed by a gen nine principalities and

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<v Speaker 1>touchies and imperial kingdoms which basically agreed in sixty eight

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<v Speaker 1>that the state's borders were inviolable and an absolute sovereign

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<v Speaker 1>state could not interfere the domestic affairs of another. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, this is all just talk right at the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the day, states have continued to interfere the

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<v Speaker 1>domestic affairs of others, will continue to violate the words

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<v Speaker 1>of other states. There are plenty of board disputes that

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<v Speaker 1>are alive and well some decades or even centuries old,

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<v Speaker 1>um on this planet. And then, of course this whole

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<v Speaker 1>idea of West Philian sovereignty would not really be applied

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<v Speaker 1>to people outside of Europe. The actual inhabitants of the

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<v Speaker 1>interesting looking maps that the West Fillian era produced, we're

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<v Speaker 1>not actually made privy to any of those um this

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<v Speaker 1>visions about the drawing up borders. They would also be moving,

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<v Speaker 1>of course people continuously, so you know, Spain was kicking

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<v Speaker 1>out um Jewish people and more's and people who relate

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<v Speaker 1>the heretics as un the inquisition Um. The British was

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<v Speaker 1>moving their dissenters, criminals and general pains and new bombacy

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<v Speaker 1>to settle colonize in places like Australia, which is why

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<v Speaker 1>Australia is like that. And things progress a bit further,

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<v Speaker 1>you have the notion of free trade and free market

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<v Speaker 1>gain in some ground thanks to Adam Smith's new school

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<v Speaker 1>of economics. At the same time, concerns of population and

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<v Speaker 1>the mouths, unemployment and social unrest in Europe led governments

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<v Speaker 1>to start facilities and emigration moving out their colonies the

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<v Speaker 1>more general free flow settler clonalism, which would lead to

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<v Speaker 1>domestic depopulation in Europe. And then there was another shift

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<v Speaker 1>as tend to be the case in human history. As

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<v Speaker 1>in the nineteenth century, migrants from now underdeveloped regions began

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<v Speaker 1>to stream towards the more developed areas and drews. So

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<v Speaker 1>you had North Africans going to France, Italians and Irish

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<v Speaker 1>headed to New York and all the while, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>racism and xenophobia festeran and proliferating as nationalists with top

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<v Speaker 1>fay against the so called threats to their nation. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>Italians and Irish were eventually assimilated into the hegemonic notion

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<v Speaker 1>of whiteness. But North Africans in France have not been

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<v Speaker 1>so lucky. Oh, I suppose lucky could and could because

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<v Speaker 1>there's a whole conversation about how whiteness destroys cultures and

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<v Speaker 1>erases the unique identities that these people would have come

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<v Speaker 1>up with in an efforts to unite them against minorities

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<v Speaker 1>such as African Americans in the US. Do you see

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<v Speaker 1>this period of lockdown, of this increased nationalism and these restrictions,

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<v Speaker 1>These bad restrictions would also try to manipulate access to

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<v Speaker 1>certain technologies, um the telegraph, the railroad. Yes, they enabled

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<v Speaker 1>central governments to assert their presence across their whole territory.

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<v Speaker 1>But they would also try to compete with other nations

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<v Speaker 1>UM and keep certain secrets regarding technology. See that particularly

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<v Speaker 1>UM during the Cold War, but we'll get to that

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<v Speaker 1>a bit later. During the First World War we have

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<v Speaker 1>the death of some sixteen million people, the Great War UM,

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<v Speaker 1>as you should probably call it if you ever happened

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<v Speaker 1>to time travel to that period. I don't think people

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<v Speaker 1>would want to hear that this is just the first

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<v Speaker 1>two World Wars. But after the World War UM, the

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<v Speaker 1>Great War UM, this seggregationist Wouldrew Wilson, who was US

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<v Speaker 1>President at the time, proposed fourteen points to the international

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<v Speaker 1>community in order to prevent such horrors. And one of

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<v Speaker 1>those core principles of the fourteen points was it the

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<v Speaker 1>globe's borders. We were drawn along clearly recognizable lines of nationality.

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<v Speaker 1>And like I said before, this is of course just

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<v Speaker 1>in Europe. It's not like any of these will leaders

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<v Speaker 1>actually care about the territories they coved up in Africa.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think there was a point that I wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to make about technology and how technology has been restricted

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<v Speaker 1>because when you look at again the real road and telegraph,

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<v Speaker 1>while they enabled the central governments to suit their presence

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<v Speaker 1>send assume their control onlike ever before, the potential these

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<v Speaker 1>technologies was kind of lost. Yes, the railroad in the

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<v Speaker 1>telegraph can help a government to sue its control over

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<v Speaker 1>its territory, but it can just as easily empower people

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<v Speaker 1>to travel further and faster than they ever had before,

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<v Speaker 1>two communicate across greater distances and they ever had before,

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<v Speaker 1>and insteadin the hands of the states. These technologies are

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<v Speaker 1>of course used for oppress events. Back to the end

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<v Speaker 1>of the First World War. In the post war period,

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<v Speaker 1>which saw the collapse of four European empires Ottoman, Russian, Austro,

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<v Speaker 1>Hungarian and German, millions of refugees were left in a

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<v Speaker 1>world where immigration controls are continued to tighten and passports

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<v Speaker 1>gained great a prominence. Last, once the nation state was

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<v Speaker 1>meanted in place fashion Zalman Nazism would quickly arise to

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<v Speaker 1>god its supposed to purity. The world would once again

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<v Speaker 1>be plunged into war, the second one, this time which

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<v Speaker 1>would again leave millions of uprooted and displaced people that

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<v Speaker 1>states like Switzerland quote unquote neutral and the US would

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<v Speaker 1>largely refuse to assist. After the Second World War, nation

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<v Speaker 1>building would continue to displace and slaughter some millions of

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<v Speaker 1>ethnic and religious minorities. Millions of refugees have been dismissed

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<v Speaker 1>from lands that have been colonized and imperialized, and intervened

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<v Speaker 1>with wars and wrecked with just the destruction of climate

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<v Speaker 1>change and poverty. And yet immigration controls only tightened further,

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<v Speaker 1>and they will likely continue to tighten due to the

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<v Speaker 1>effects of climate migration and climate collapse, especially in our

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<v Speaker 1>post ninety leveln reality. US border patrolling particular has escalated

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<v Speaker 1>to employed twenty thousand agents, and Israel Run is the

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<v Speaker 1>largest open air prison in the world. These days, militarized

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<v Speaker 1>borders with heavily guarded barbed wire and electrified fences, which

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<v Speaker 1>were once common in times of war, have now been

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<v Speaker 1>a staple of times of peace. These managinary lines and

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<v Speaker 1>the map have become in some places violent fixtures on

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<v Speaker 1>the landscape, with thousands of people lose their lives every

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<v Speaker 1>year for simply trying to cross. We've entered an era

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<v Speaker 1>of essentially bordering without precedent, and thanks to today's technology,

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<v Speaker 1>governments no more now about the people they govern, the

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<v Speaker 1>people within their territory, but at any point prior in

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<v Speaker 1>human history. Cross border surveillance keeps neighbors in the new

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<v Speaker 1>managing and monitoring their populous like lab rates, data has

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<v Speaker 1>become more valuable then black Cold itself. These governments have

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<v Speaker 1>chosen to wall, and so they this is our will now.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not some future cyberpunk, the stupia, the curveillance capitalist

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<v Speaker 1>heales keepers here now and borders have an important rule

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<v Speaker 1>to play. But as our power structure their system of control.

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<v Speaker 1>As the writers A Crime think Of said, there's only

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<v Speaker 1>one world on the border is tearing it apart. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think the idea of borders extends much further than

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<v Speaker 1>just the nations borders. When you look at the Internet,

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<v Speaker 1>fire walls, the checkpoints, the hidden databases, the for profit prisons,

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<v Speaker 1>indicated communities, all these different boundaries enforced by ceaseless violence,

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<v Speaker 1>enforced by a deep autation, enforced by visual anti attacks,

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<v Speaker 1>by street haraspment, by torture, All of these boundaries are

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<v Speaker 1>holding us back and tearing us apart. Migrants, due to

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<v Speaker 1>their vulnerable status or often the first target when it

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<v Speaker 1>comes to the economic down to and depression. Civilians and

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<v Speaker 1>scapegoating nations wield fair of this other and they use

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<v Speaker 1>that to prevent their people from fighting for better. They

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<v Speaker 1>turned their eye towards another victim. I doesn't even get

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<v Speaker 1>into all the different categories that have been constructed my

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<v Speaker 1>grant expert refugee, asylum seeker, illegal alien, and that one

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<v Speaker 1>in particular really grinds my cares because it is a

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<v Speaker 1>believe the pinnacle of dehumanization to look at a person

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<v Speaker 1>who's dice just man just managed to like just by

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<v Speaker 1>happen sands fell on the other side of the border,

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<v Speaker 1>to look at them and to deem them alien, deem

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<v Speaker 1>them illegal, to brand them that, and I even acknowledge

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<v Speaker 1>the humanity when referring to them. And it's become a

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<v Speaker 1>normalized part of political discourse to speak of illegal aliens.

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<v Speaker 1>But I don't think we should forget just how violent

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<v Speaker 1>that kind of languages. It's particularly violent when you count

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<v Speaker 1>for the fact that while these borders are used to

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<v Speaker 1>restrict people on the lowest rung of society, capital has

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<v Speaker 1>very few restrictions. In fact, that has much less restrictions,

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<v Speaker 1>and people the rich and their capital can cross borders

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<v Speaker 1>with ease, go from place to place without munch process.

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<v Speaker 1>And in fact, we look at Jeff Bass. Also we

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<v Speaker 1>say that, oh, well, he's the richest man the world

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<v Speaker 1>for but when you account for the wealth that has

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<v Speaker 1>not been accounted for, I think it must be put

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<v Speaker 1>into perspective that Bill Gates are Sackaboo, Jeff Beazles, etcetera.

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<v Speaker 1>They are the richest people that we know of, not

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<v Speaker 1>necessarily the richest. A global economy has also been, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>moving resources for a while now. Resources have more freedom

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<v Speaker 1>than people. The unequal and even development has extracted minerals

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<v Speaker 1>and materials from some parts of the process them in

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<v Speaker 1>other parts of the world, manufacture them in other parts

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<v Speaker 1>of the world, and then sold worldwide for the profits

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<v Speaker 1>to be hoarded by select few countries and select a

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<v Speaker 1>few people. These wealthy countries under the poor and then

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<v Speaker 1>brutalize those who follow. Where the opportunities of Antica. But

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think that one's opportunities one freedom. One's freedom

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<v Speaker 1>should be restricted by where they were born or by

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<v Speaker 1>the wealth that they do to not control. Passports, inequality

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<v Speaker 1>is essue that should not exist. Passports should not exist.

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<v Speaker 1>Palestinians can travel visa free to only thirty eight countries

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<v Speaker 1>and territories. Yet those in the West Bank are restricted

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<v Speaker 1>by violent by violent checkpoints, and those who live in

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<v Speaker 1>gas are call you the stript at all. Meanwhile, other

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<v Speaker 1>regions enjoy fast These are free travels, such as humans

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<v Speaker 1>who have access to d countries and territories, or the

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<v Speaker 1>Japanese who enjoy the most freedom, piece of free of all,

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<v Speaker 1>with ninety three countries available to them. A billionaire like

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<v Speaker 1>Elon Musket flying wherever he wants in his private jet.

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<v Speaker 1>A political prisoner like a Jory Luta, who can be

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<v Speaker 1>kept in solitary bears on end traditional seafear and channels

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<v Speaker 1>and land has been militarized and guarded by these vast navies,

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<v Speaker 1>by these vast troops, by these these machines, These structures

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<v Speaker 1>that disconnected, unraveled the deep ties between communities. Borderston us

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<v Speaker 1>all into prisoners, and I think it's about time we

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<v Speaker 1>resisted them. As the underground railroads of anti Nazi and

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<v Speaker 1>anti slavery resistance has shown everyday people can help everyday people,

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<v Speaker 1>no matter the obstacles. If you live in a border

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<v Speaker 1>sanctuary city or a migrant community, they are probably already

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<v Speaker 1>groups that are put in this work, and you could

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<v Speaker 1>join that infrastructure resistance if not, you can help to

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<v Speaker 1>create that infrastructure to connect with people who are affected

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<v Speaker 1>by borders in ways that you aren't. I mean, perhaps

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<v Speaker 1>you have a neighbor or a cool worker who's undocumented

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<v Speaker 1>and could use help in that. Try to connect cross

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<v Speaker 1>border formal and informal, public and coland design because these connections,

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<v Speaker 1>these networks, or how people move live and evade state violence. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>I can't speak for everybody situation because different people's legal status,

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<v Speaker 1>language ability, education level, gender, raised class, commit muns and ability.

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<v Speaker 1>What a fact that can atribution to this anti borders movement.

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<v Speaker 1>But however you decide to contribute, I hope that you

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<v Speaker 1>would remember who it is we're trying to help. We're

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<v Speaker 1>not trying to act as you know, these saints for

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<v Speaker 1>the media, and I recognized the irony of saying saints

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<v Speaker 1>in particular considered my allD YouTube name. But the media

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<v Speaker 1>is not all focus. The audience of our actions is

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<v Speaker 1>not public opinion. It is those we want fighting with us,

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<v Speaker 1>people who need our help, people who know the violent

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<v Speaker 1>supporters forstand so they get into direct action. Two, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>directly affect the material outcomes of people influence our borders.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, whether you're helping my creation prisoner manach to escape,

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<v Speaker 1>or helping one person get a roof over their head

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<v Speaker 1>in an asylum case, having a person who is trapped

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<v Speaker 1>in this system to find the strength to get through

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<v Speaker 1>a day. These actions refupreating our communities, and they kilp

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<v Speaker 1>oup others do the same. You also need, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>more infrastructure, networks, alliances, skills and resources to be cultivated

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<v Speaker 1>to strengthen our autonomy from these structures and to develop

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<v Speaker 1>ability to defend against them. And of course these actions

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<v Speaker 1>should be rooted in some strategy long term and short

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<v Speaker 1>term for overcoming this regime months and for all. Just

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<v Speaker 1>for a final would I would say that there is

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<v Speaker 1>nothing necessary or inevitable about borders. Only the violence of

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<v Speaker 1>their most ardent believers keep them in place, and without them,

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<v Speaker 1>what as with seems to exist. Borders can only exist

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<v Speaker 1>if they are enforced, and together we can make borders

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<v Speaker 1>an enforceable. Together, we can create a will in which

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<v Speaker 1>everyone is free to travel, free to create, and free

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