1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:02,759 Speaker 1: Ron Anian, there were fifteen year olds in Europe driving 2 00:00:02,800 --> 00:00:05,040 Speaker 1: and they learned to drive on stick, and that that 3 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: trend continues. Do you want to take a guess at 4 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: what percentage of the cars are manual transmission? Probably less percent, 5 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 1: it's actually a little more than that. 6 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:20,480 Speaker 2: It's about three The Car Doctor, I. 7 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 1: Was wondering, does anyone have any thoughts about converting existing 8 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 1: internal combustion engines to use natural Guess? Now, why haven't 9 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:32,560 Speaker 1: we convert? Why haven't we converted from gasoline? And that's 10 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 1: a fair question. 11 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:37,240 Speaker 2: Welcome to the radio home of Ron Ananian, the Car Doctor. 12 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 2: Since nineteen ninety one. This is where car owners the 13 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 2: world overturned to for their definitive opinion on automotive repair. 14 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 2: If your mechanics giving you a busy signal, pick up 15 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 2: the phone and call in the garage doors. 16 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 1: Are open, but I am here to take your call 17 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 1: at eight five five five six oh ninety nine hundred. 18 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:57,280 Speaker 3: And now he. 19 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 1: And here we are. Yep, let's get started with another hour, 20 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:06,200 Speaker 1: Car Doctor. Let's go up to the phone right away. 21 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 1: Let's go over to Aaron in Massachusetts. Aaron, Welcome to 22 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 1: the Car Doctor. 23 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 4: How can I help hi? 24 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:14,319 Speaker 5: I was wondering if you could give me your opinion. 25 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 5: I'm looking at purchasing a twenty twenty four Alexus RX 26 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 5: three fifty or a twenty twenty four Toyota four Runner. 27 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:24,959 Speaker 1: Okay, what do you drive now? 28 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 3: Right now? 29 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 5: I drive a Hyundai Sonata. 30 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 1: All right? And what year? What year? Hyundai? 31 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:33,679 Speaker 5: Just twenty eighteen, all right. 32 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 1: So you know they're relatively it's the Hundai's not terribly old. 33 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:39,960 Speaker 1: I'm sure it's got some electronics on it. But both 34 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 1: of those choices, the Lexus are the Toyota, you know, 35 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 1: have a fair amount more of electronics. Right, you've driven both, 36 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 1: You've seen both vehicles? Yes, okay, which one do you prefer? 37 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 5: I like them both for different reasons. I like the 38 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 5: fore Runner because I like more suv higher up, right, 39 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 5: but just drives really smooth. 40 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 1: And yeah, and the Lexus is the r X three fifty. 41 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:09,919 Speaker 5: Right, it's our extra fifty premium. 42 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 1: Right okay, Right, it's got all the bells and whistles, 43 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 1: so you know, the price is what the price is, right, 44 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 1: it's you know, if we can afford it, we buy it. 45 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:22,360 Speaker 1: We like it. You know, we're done. The questions I've 46 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 1: got is and it's you've driven both cars, right, you've 47 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:27,920 Speaker 1: road tested both of them? 48 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 5: I have you? 49 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:31,800 Speaker 1: Have you done them both one day? Have you done 50 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 1: it day and night? 51 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 5: No? I have not do that. 52 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:39,959 Speaker 1: That's the first thing. Cars change personalities between day and night. 53 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 1: They're just they're just different. You know, it's dark, can 54 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:45,399 Speaker 1: you can you find the heater controls in the dark? 55 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 1: Can you find the windshow wipers in the dark? You 56 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:50,239 Speaker 1: know all that stuff without looking around? And it's it's 57 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:51,959 Speaker 1: going to be different because you're coming out of a 58 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 1: different car at twenty eighteen. You know, you know you're 59 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 1: going to get a sense of feel for it. But 60 00:02:57,040 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 1: you know that is I always just tell everybody if 61 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 1: you're kind of stuck in a quandary, just you know, 62 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:04,639 Speaker 1: a day and night drive usually will tell you something, Okay, 63 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 1: who normally worked, who normally works on your car? Not 64 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 1: that this is gonna matter in this case because you're 65 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 1: buying either a Toyota or Alexis. It's sort of the 66 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 1: sun generally. 67 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 5: Yeah, just generally it's a local mechanic that I go, 68 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:17,919 Speaker 5: okay and just just just. 69 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 1: To ask him, hey, you know, do either one of 70 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:23,639 Speaker 1: these affect you in terms of you know, you're my guy, 71 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 1: I've been with you for however many years you've been 72 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:27,800 Speaker 1: going to see him, you know, can you can you 73 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 1: work on both of these cars? I'm sure he can. 74 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 3: You know. 75 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 1: It's it's Alexis and a Toyota. But I always tell everybody, 76 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 1: you know, if you're going to use your local guy, 77 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 1: just make sure he's geared up and he can he 78 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 1: can work on that car. Okay, great, So that's that's 79 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:45,119 Speaker 1: number one, number two, number three. There is a big 80 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 1: difference between those two cars, all right. I know somebody personally, 81 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 1: she drove a twenty nineteen for Runner and she got 82 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 1: tired of it because to her, she got tired of 83 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 1: the truck, like rod, all right, and then she went 84 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 1: to an r X three fifty. It's it's funny because 85 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 1: she she kind of did what you're doing. 86 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 3: Oh, you know. 87 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 1: It's it's a toss up between the two. There are 88 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 1: times she misses her for Runner, but for the most part, 89 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 1: she's happier with the r X three fifty because it's 90 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 1: less of a truck, okay, right, And and you know, 91 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 1: the RX three fifty does have a real nice ride 92 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:28,840 Speaker 1: to it, and you know, it's it's it's it's just solid. 93 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 1: You know, are you are you traveling? Are you on 94 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:32,279 Speaker 1: the highway a lot with this car? 95 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 5: Or yeah? I do I feel amount of traveling? You know, 96 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:40,720 Speaker 5: you know they will get work every day to work, 97 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:43,599 Speaker 5: but then you know a couple hundred miles up on 98 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 5: the weekend to Maine or New Hampshire, right, you know. 99 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 1: The other the other thing you got to think about 100 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:51,279 Speaker 1: is fuel economy, right, I would, I would, I would 101 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:54,280 Speaker 1: guess the fore Runner probably doesn't get as good fuel 102 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 1: economy as you r X three fifty and. 103 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it was sixteen miles per gallon it said, right, 104 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 5: you know, that was one of the drawbacks that I 105 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 5: was thinking. 106 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, the for the fore Runner, right, the fore Runners 107 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:11,479 Speaker 1: the sixteen Yeah, it probably isn't really that, you know, 108 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:15,840 Speaker 1: it's probably probably smidge less. But you know, I do 109 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 1: know you know that the fore run both grade vehicles, 110 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 1: all right, and it's it's it's they're both grade vehicles. 111 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:25,479 Speaker 1: I don't think can go wrong with either one. I 112 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:27,279 Speaker 1: think you've got to also think about what are you 113 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 1: gonna do? You know, do you need do you need 114 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 1: the size of the fore Runner? All right, because it's 115 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 1: not just overall ride, it's it's also, you know, do 116 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 1: you need the stuff more into a car than you know, 117 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 1: we'll will either one of those hold what you need 118 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:44,280 Speaker 1: them to hold, so to speak. 119 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 5: Right right, Yeah, the fore Runner, it's definitely probably could 120 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 5: have used it when the kids were younger. 121 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 1: And I mean, if you're gonna, if you're gonna, you know, 122 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 1: if if if you want to go camping, if you 123 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 1: want to if you want to tow a trailer, if 124 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 1: you want to a kayak on top of the roof 125 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:05,160 Speaker 1: of something, the fore Runner is the way to go 126 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 1: right right, you know, So if you I mean, if 127 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:09,359 Speaker 1: you're going up to Maine and you're an outdoor you know, 128 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 1: you're doing outdoor person kind of stuff, then yeah, you know, 129 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 1: maybe the fur Runners is the way to go. But 130 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 1: you know it's it's the RX three fifty. You can't 131 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 1: beat it. It's a great car. 132 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:20,919 Speaker 3: You know. 133 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 5: I didn't know much about the Alexis, but I did 134 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:26,160 Speaker 5: really love the way. 135 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, well, and you know remember Alexis is 136 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 1: the luxury edition of a Toyota. If you wanted to 137 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 1: buy what you know, maybe you could do this. Have 138 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:39,920 Speaker 1: you driven, Well, the old version would be a g 139 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 1: X four sixty, but the GX four sixty is built 140 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:48,920 Speaker 1: on the four Runner platform. Oh okay, so you could 141 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 1: go look at Alexis So now I think the new model. 142 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 1: Is it a GX four seventy. I'm not one hundred 143 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 1: percent sure of that. Or maybe it's a five seventy. 144 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 5: I had some five fifties or something on these. 145 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, there's a you know, or maybe go look 146 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 1: like like in twenty three was the last year for 147 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 1: the four sixty, and that was the last year of 148 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 1: the traditional V eight no turbocharger. You know, great vehicle 149 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 1: rides really well. You know, I can speak from firsthand experience. 150 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 1: My wife drives one, you know so, and she loves it. 151 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 5: You know. 152 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 1: She we took her out of the Explorer and put 153 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 1: her in that, and there's no looking back. 154 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 5: There's no going back. 155 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 1: There's no there's no going back. I can't cry it 156 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 1: out of her hands. 157 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 3: You know. 158 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 5: You don't even get to drive it. 159 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 1: Then once in a while, you know, if it's dirty, 160 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 1: if it's dirty and it has to go to the 161 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 1: car washer, if it needs gas other than that, shit runs, yeah, 162 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 1: run's out. Uh you know, but you could consider that, 163 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 1: so that would give you the four Runner truckiness, so 164 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 1: to speak, and and durability, and you could surely put 165 00:07:57,120 --> 00:08:00,120 Speaker 1: a kayak on the roof of that, you know, but 166 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 1: you would also get that luxury Lexus rode that you're 167 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 1: likely looking for. 168 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, that's yeah. 169 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 1: And that'll that'll be six that'll be sixty thousand dollars. 170 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, that'll be a little i know, right, you know, 171 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 5: a little bit more out of the pocket, right right. 172 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's you know, but look, it's you're going to 173 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 1: have this car a long time. This is you're you're 174 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 1: you're probably going to keep this the next eight to 175 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 1: ten years, and you know they do last a good 176 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 1: long time, so you want to be sure it's right. 177 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:32,439 Speaker 1: And then the only other thing to consider is either 178 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:37,679 Speaker 1: vehicle because of the advanced electronics, you know, not I'm 179 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:41,320 Speaker 1: not so worried about powertrain, engine, transmission that stuff, but 180 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 1: ask about extended warranty coverage on the electronics. Is there 181 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:46,200 Speaker 1: a way to cover some of the you know, the 182 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 1: computer screens and the modules. Eight to ten years, eighty 183 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 1: to one hundred thousand miles is always a good way 184 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 1: to go, you know, always just to find out, you know, 185 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:59,440 Speaker 1: typically most of the service contracts are into three to 186 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 1: four thousand dollar range. Just stick it into the financing. 187 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 1: You know, of course you a couple of bucks every 188 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 1: month for five six years. What difference does it make? 189 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 3: Right? 190 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 5: But the electronic that would be worth it, definitely. 191 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, some of the electronics in the cars. 192 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 1: And that's why I always ask, you know, whenever somebody 193 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 1: asks me, hey, you know about a car, what are 194 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 1: you coming from? In your case, you're eighteen. Hundai probably 195 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 1: has a fair amount of electronics too. But if you 196 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 1: told me it was a two thousand and two Hunday, 197 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 1: you know, we're going to have the conversation about you're 198 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:32,200 Speaker 1: going from the Right Brothers airplane to the Space Shuttle. 199 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:38,440 Speaker 1: You know, yeah, it's just it's just too much. Yeah, yeah, 200 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:42,440 Speaker 1: it's it's it's too much. It's too much. So but 201 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 1: you know, yeah, no, you you got it. Just go 202 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 1: back to the dealer and ask him, hey, do you 203 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:49,440 Speaker 1: have any left over twenty three four sixties or do 204 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 1: you have the new model you're equivalent of a four 205 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 1: to sixty And go drive one of those and see 206 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:56,079 Speaker 1: what that's about. And I bet you that's what you'll 207 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 1: fall in love with, because that's that kind of gives 208 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 1: you the best of both worlds. That's built, that's built 209 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:02,559 Speaker 1: on a four Runner platform. 210 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, because that's what I like to think about 211 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 5: the fore Runner is being high. 212 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 3: Up, like you know. Yep. 213 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:13,199 Speaker 5: So okay, all right, Grace, thank you so much. 214 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 1: Any other questions or you're you're off, You're off to 215 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 1: go buy a car now. 216 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 5: Now I'm going to have to go by Yeah, uh no, 217 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 5: I feel reassured that. Yeah, both of them. 218 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 1: Well, if you need if you. 219 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 5: Need me, friend, that's great information. All right, okay, thanks Ron. 220 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 1: You take good care of running any in the Car Doctor. 221 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:32,200 Speaker 1: I'll be back right after this. 222 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 6: Where vehicle not taking you where you want to go, 223 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 6: well call Ron. He's the expert at making your vehicle 224 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 6: take you where you need it. Eight five five five 225 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:49,319 Speaker 6: six zero nine nine zero zero And now back to Ron. 226 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 1: Hey, we're here for another segment. Let's let's go over 227 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:55,079 Speaker 1: and talk to Let's go to Jeff in Cleveland. Jeff, 228 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 1: welcome to the Car Doctor. Run an Innie in the 229 00:10:56,920 --> 00:10:58,839 Speaker 1: Car Doctor at your service, sir, what's going on? 230 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 3: Thanks for taking my call. Love your show, Thank you 231 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:05,199 Speaker 3: for doing it. I appreciate it. I got out to 232 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 3: Saturn View it's got four or ninety five thousand miles. 233 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:12,559 Speaker 3: About two months ago, I was driving along and uh, 234 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 3: I felt like he tapped the brakes. The car shuddered 235 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:18,839 Speaker 3: a little bit and uh low power light came on, 236 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 3: check engine light. After that, car drove fine, pulled over, 237 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:26,560 Speaker 3: cycled the key. Both lights went off. I got home. 238 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 3: I put the scan tool on it. It came up 239 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:33,199 Speaker 3: as twelve seventy one. So I pulled out the service manual, 240 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:37,319 Speaker 3: went through the diagnostics, pulled the connector off with zero 241 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:40,960 Speaker 3: vaults on the first censor on the on the pedal 242 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 3: and five on the second. And then you know, then 243 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:46,319 Speaker 3: he put the connector back on and run through the 244 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 3: range and all the voltages were fine on the on 245 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:52,559 Speaker 3: the on the pedal, wiggled the wires around, you know, 246 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 3: around the connector. The whole harness. H didn't change any 247 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 3: of the settings, went under the engine by the ECM 248 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 3: checked the ground is okay. So I drove it. Light 249 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 3: stayed off, didn't come back on for about another three weeks. 250 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:10,560 Speaker 3: Did the same thing, momentary shutter and then you know, 251 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 3: cycle of the key it would go off. So I 252 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 3: decided to replace the pedal sensor with a dormant product. 253 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 3: It was about ninety bucks, went about three weeks, did 254 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 3: it again. Okay, so I'm not sure what now to do? Right, 255 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 3: And there's very intermittent. 256 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:30,559 Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's there's probably no parts left as far 257 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:33,720 Speaker 1: as any other choice, not that's anyone with dormant, but 258 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 1: if we wanted to do anything else to it, there's 259 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 1: probably just you know, it's a saturn. There's there's there's 260 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 1: not there's not a lot left yet. It's crazy. 261 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 3: That was the only one they had and there was 262 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:45,440 Speaker 3: only a few lefts. So it's really intermittent, you know, 263 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 3: it's it does it for a second or two and 264 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 3: then it runs fine. So every time I check it, 265 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 3: there's no fault. I can't find anything wrong with it. 266 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 3: So I figured it was the pedal censer because it's 267 00:12:56,640 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 3: the only moving part, right, But that doesn't seem to fix. 268 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 1: When you're looking at voltages, you're using a scan tool, right, yes, 269 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 1: you know, keep in mind, and I don't think I don't. 270 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 1: I don't think this will be the solution. But just 271 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 1: to have a teaching moment here, I don't think the 272 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:15,679 Speaker 1: scan tool is anywhere near fast enough because you're looking 273 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 1: at buffer data you're you're you know, maybe if you 274 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 1: put the scan tool in graph mode and you only 275 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 1: brought up the PIDs for you know, the sensor that 276 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 1: you're looking at, in this case, the accelerator pedal position sensor. 277 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 1: You know, maybe you know, the less the less data 278 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 1: you have on the screen, the faster the CPU of 279 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 1: this of the scan tool can work. So you know, 280 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 1: and your eye. It's really kind of amazing. When I 281 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 1: go to scope class, they do this to us every time, 282 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 1: just to blow our minds. But you know, your your 283 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 1: eye won't see the glitch. You know, it's it's it's amazing. 284 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:51,840 Speaker 1: They prove the value of using a scope with memory 285 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 1: so you can you know, record freeze and then review 286 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 1: one one frame at a time. At one frame at 287 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:00,439 Speaker 1: a time, your eye will see it. But see it 288 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 1: happen like in the blink of an eye. When they 289 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 1: say the blink of an eye, they really mean the 290 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:08,960 Speaker 1: blink of an eye. It just happens so fast. So maybe, okay, 291 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:11,079 Speaker 1: try the scan tool just with that pit up. I 292 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 1: don't think it'll catch it. But maybe with a good 293 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 1: digital vault dome meter you might see a glitch. If 294 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 1: you put the vault home meter in min max and 295 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 1: let them Let the vault dome meter do its job. 296 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 1: Let it record the glitch, all right, you know, wiggle 297 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 1: the harness the biggest you know, usually what this becomes 298 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:33,080 Speaker 1: is you do the accelerator pedal position. Then you know, 299 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 1: sometimes you do the other end. All right, Well you'll 300 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 1: do the throttle body at five hundred thousand miles. I 301 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 1: heard that right, five hundred thousand miles. Yeah, you know 302 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 1: you're the reason Saturn went away because you know they 303 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 1: wanted to sell you another car. Right, you know, nobody 304 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 1: would believe this one five hundred thousand miles. A matter 305 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 1: of fact, you know, GM's gonna come find you after 306 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:55,200 Speaker 1: they hear this broadcast. You know, it becomes can you 307 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 1: put an can you put a throttle body on it? 308 00:14:57,200 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 1: Just for giggles? Because what's that like? And then you're lost? Right, 309 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 1: Then you get to the point where, well, is it 310 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 1: is it a computer? Is it a connector what I've 311 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 1: gone through is And I quickly acknowledge I've got five 312 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 1: hundred thousand miles. Usually it's I've got one hundred thousand miles. 313 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 1: But in your case, I got a half a million miles. 314 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 1: I would you change the pedal position sensor. You can 315 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 1: either try and find a new throttle body if they're 316 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 1: still out there, just to have it just for giggles, 317 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 1: But I would not be afraid of making a harness 318 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 1: between the throttle body and the accelerator pedal. Or it 319 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 1: probably goes I'm going to guess and say it goes 320 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 1: from throttle body to a buffer and then from the 321 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 1: buffer to the accelerator or do they both speak directly 322 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 1: to the PCM. 323 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 3: So if you look at the wiring diagram and the manual, 324 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 3: there's basically three wires. There is the ground of the ECM, right, 325 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 3: there's the feed from the computer for the FIBLE reference, 326 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 3: and there's the signal from the pedal sensor. So there's 327 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 3: basically three wires. They go from the pedal system. 328 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 1: Right, they go from the pedal that go from the pedal, 329 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 1: the pedal assembly to the PCM. 330 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, so the manual says it's either the pedal assembly, 331 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 3: the wiring, or the ECM. Right, it's those three possibilities. 332 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 1: Wiring is very common or was very common, you know. 333 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 1: And when I get to this point in a diagnosis, 334 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 1: if my choices are sensor, which I changed, PCM or wiring. 335 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 1: You know, I would have done it in the same 336 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 1: order I would have and I couldn't prove it. I 337 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 1: would have put a pedal assembly in it, especially at 338 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 1: that mileage, thinking like you said, you know, only moving part. 339 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 1: And then I'm gonna build a wire, and then I'm 340 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 1: gonna build a wiring harness. I'm going to get a 341 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 1: new connector out of ac Delco you know, connectors whatever 342 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 1: they are, you know, for the pedal assembly, and then 343 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 1: I'm going to build a harness that runs up to 344 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 1: I probably would reuse my terminals in the PCM. I 345 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 1: very rarely see those go bad. All right, obviously, take 346 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 1: a look at the connector corrosion, is it beat up 347 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 1: as it ugly? Is it you know kind. 348 00:16:57,880 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 3: Of the yeah part they'll look fine. 349 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 1: They usually do. They're they're designed really well. And I 350 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 1: would just sayzire a way to. 351 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 3: See if the if it's the ground or the signal 352 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 3: that's going on it, you know, when it's wo's dropping. 353 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, if we if we looked at it with a 354 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 1: labscope that was fast enough to record the loss. That's 355 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:17,720 Speaker 1: that's the key. 356 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:19,400 Speaker 3: If you have when it does. 357 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 1: It, yeah, when it does it, when it feels like it, 358 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 1: and that's the problem. You're going to drive around for 359 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:24,639 Speaker 1: three weeks and. 360 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:26,919 Speaker 3: That's probably what it's doing it it's every three or 361 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 3: four weeks, right. 362 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:31,160 Speaker 1: So you know, if you build a harness, which isn't 363 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:33,200 Speaker 1: that hard to do. I've done it more than once 364 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 1: for various GM products, it seems, and I usually end 365 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:40,399 Speaker 1: up solving it with a harness. All right, you know 366 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 1: that's the and listen, look at it this way. The 367 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 1: choices are via a computer. You can't find an accelerator 368 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 1: pedal assembly. You're not going to find a PCM that 369 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:52,639 Speaker 1: you want to use. And you know that's that's an 370 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:56,120 Speaker 1: issue one to itself, all right, Dave, So do that. 371 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 1: You know, let's let's build a wiring harness. Like I said, 372 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 1: I'd get a connector. Uh you want to get a 373 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 1: throttle body to see you have one in stock? Nothing. 374 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:04,159 Speaker 1: I think that's your solution here. But that should do 375 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:05,919 Speaker 1: it for you. 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This comes to us from Charlie. Charlie's 410 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:18,119 Speaker 1: a longtime listeners. One of your callers last week reported 411 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:20,639 Speaker 1: a two thousand and six Honda Odyssey that has a 412 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 1: slow electrical drain. Tell them to check the sliding doors. 413 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 1: There is a contact switch inside the door panel that 414 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:28,560 Speaker 1: needs to be relubricated. Wise, the sensor thinks that the 415 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 1: door is not closed and causes a slow electrical drain. 416 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 1: This has become more frequent as the weather gets colder. 417 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 1: Regards Charlie and Charlie has a By the way, any 418 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:39,480 Speaker 1: advice for how to prevent critics from building a nest 419 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:42,200 Speaker 1: in the air filter box on an older convertible which, 420 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 1: like a Rogin, don't drive too often in the winter months. 421 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:48,359 Speaker 1: Thanks last part first, you know, and I don't know 422 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 1: what you know, Charlie. You know mothballs, right, mothballs and 423 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:53,919 Speaker 1: a plastic bag are good. There is product out there, 424 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 1: what is it, mouse in a pouch or something they 425 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 1: sell at this time of year where it's these anti 426 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:05,399 Speaker 1: rodent repellent balls that are probably better than mothballs. That 427 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:08,119 Speaker 1: you store these pouches under the hood and around the trunk. 428 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 1: And one of the things I do on a personal 429 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:14,560 Speaker 1: basis is I actually have a pest guy that you know, 430 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 1: does the house where the hot rod is and I 431 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 1: will have him. You know, they put out these little 432 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:23,400 Speaker 1: sticky traps, and you know is the ad because animals 433 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 1: rodents are perimeter driven. I forget the exact terminology, but 434 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:29,680 Speaker 1: they like to walk against the wall, so they'll walk 435 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 1: through the sticky box and get stuck in there. And 436 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:34,720 Speaker 1: you know not they get too graphic and gross on radio. 437 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:36,520 Speaker 1: But you get the point. So you can always try 438 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:40,240 Speaker 1: that second part, first part two thousand and six, Hondo 439 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:42,120 Speaker 1: with a slow electoral drain. I think I remember that, 440 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 1: you know, my only concern and I don't want to 441 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:45,679 Speaker 1: just jump to this, but I want to mention it 442 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 1: because I think it's A good tip is before we 443 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 1: go right to oh, I think it's the doors. You know, 444 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:54,720 Speaker 1: I still want somebody to put a device on there, 445 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:58,120 Speaker 1: an ant meter, some sort of measuring device. I still 446 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 1: want to see how big of a drain and are 447 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:04,120 Speaker 1: we chasing or are we chasing a drain? All right, 448 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:06,679 Speaker 1: and I think that's important. Okay, and you know the 449 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,680 Speaker 1: usual we're going to tie in negative battery cable, put 450 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 1: a millionamp meter. We've got to see less than fifty millionamps, 451 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 1: all right, and usually it'll take anywhere from twenty to 452 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 1: forty five minutes on the average older car, anything made 453 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 1: more than ten years ago. The newer stuff, more computers, 454 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 1: you know, obviously there's a there's a factor there that 455 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:30,120 Speaker 1: you know, more computers, it takes more time for things 456 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 1: to fall asleep. But I still like to do an 457 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:36,480 Speaker 1: electrical drain test by traditional methods, and you know, go 458 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:38,439 Speaker 1: from there, and you know, if that doesn't turn up 459 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:41,639 Speaker 1: an electrical drain, you can go through there are you know, 460 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:44,760 Speaker 1: using it a thermal gun, you can you know, look 461 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:47,120 Speaker 1: at the fuse box. Does something look hot when it's 462 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 1: not supposed to? You know, And then of course doing 463 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:53,120 Speaker 1: the voltage drop test, across fuses. That's the latest thing. 464 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:55,479 Speaker 1: Well it's not the latest, but you know it's been 465 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 1: out there a while and it does work, so there 466 00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 1: are other ways. But yeah, I get it to Charlie's 467 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:03,399 Speaker 1: com Yeah, excellent, you know what, And that's true. A 468 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 1: lot of these vehicles, not just the Hondas, but a 469 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 1: lot of these vehicles with sliding doors, especially on an 470 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:12,399 Speaker 1: older one, right, the tracks get a little warn things 471 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 1: get a little sloppy, the door starts to get rattily, 472 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 1: it bounces around, and you know, those sensors will cause 473 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:24,480 Speaker 1: quite a bit of problems. You know, every once in 474 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 1: a while one will be enough that we had a 475 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 1: Honda the other day. It wasn't on the sliding door. 476 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:31,960 Speaker 1: It was on the driver's door. And you could see 477 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:35,200 Speaker 1: that the base of the door, on the door itself, 478 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:37,640 Speaker 1: not on the ape, not on the b pillar side, 479 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:40,159 Speaker 1: but on the door itself. The door had had a 480 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:43,399 Speaker 1: dent in it because this one hundred and fifty thousand 481 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 1: mile oh two odyssey, the door had been closed so 482 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:48,920 Speaker 1: many times and slammed and closed and closed and closed 483 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 1: that the switch just beat the heck out of the 484 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 1: bottom of the door. You know, there was like a 485 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 1: little dent there. So every once in a while she'd 486 00:23:57,600 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 1: be you know, the car would be parked and the customers, 487 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,080 Speaker 1: she would the alarm would start to go off at 488 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 1: two o'clock in the morning, which is you know, it's 489 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:08,359 Speaker 1: so great, and you know, she wasn't quite sure what 490 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 1: to do or how to deal with it. She brought 491 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:12,920 Speaker 1: it in. We saw that we couldn't duplicate the problem. 492 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,959 Speaker 1: We were actually chasing, not really a battery drain. We 493 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:19,439 Speaker 1: were chasing and intermitting my alarm goes off at random fault. 494 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 1: We went out to the hardware store and we got 495 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:28,720 Speaker 1: a ever sea like the little felt stops that sit 496 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 1: on the bottom of a chair when you want to 497 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 1: make the chair slide, and we just found one that 498 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,119 Speaker 1: was a little bit bigger than the size of the switch. 499 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:37,880 Speaker 1: We located the center and cleaned it with a little 500 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 1: prepsil and put it right on there, and it's stuck 501 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:43,440 Speaker 1: in place, and now it was it raised the surface 502 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:48,360 Speaker 1: just enough to give the plunger a little more oomph 503 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 1: when it was going to close. And now the problem solved. 504 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:53,879 Speaker 1: Now she doesn't have that issue anymore, And you know, 505 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,760 Speaker 1: it's a simple fix, Charlie, I think it's an excellent 506 00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:59,199 Speaker 1: idea to always look at doors when they're cold. I 507 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 1: liked the idea. You know that the switches get sticky, 508 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 1: and you know, definitely something to consider. 509 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 5: Uh. 510 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:09,840 Speaker 1: You know, it's and especially on older, older vehicles, you know, 511 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 1: higher mileage, those doors get slammed an awful lot. And 512 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:16,199 Speaker 1: we do see those particular problems. And you know what 513 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:19,440 Speaker 1: you may never see. You may never see the interior 514 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 1: light come on if you're not out there looking at 515 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:22,879 Speaker 1: the door or the window at three o'clock in the morning. 516 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:24,439 Speaker 3: You know. 517 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 1: So, you know, good stuff. But Charlie, I appreciate it, 518 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,399 Speaker 1: and I hope that works for I wonder what kind 519 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 1: of convertible that is. He doesn't say, Charlie, give us 520 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:34,359 Speaker 1: a call, let us know what kind of convertible that 521 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 1: is that you're storing. But yet send us a picture 522 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:38,359 Speaker 1: if you like, we'll put it up on the Facebook page. 523 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 1: We always like looking at old cars. Always good, always 524 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:45,880 Speaker 1: good memories of you know, days gone by, things gone by. 525 00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 1: So I want to talk to you real quick about 526 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 1: this Hundai, or at least get started. I'll probably come 527 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,399 Speaker 1: back after the pause. We had this twenty nineteen Hyundai 528 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:59,399 Speaker 1: in the shop this week a Tucson that no fault codes. 529 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 1: It was just difficult to fill with gas. She would 530 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:05,960 Speaker 1: go to the station and she would go to put 531 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,120 Speaker 1: gas in it and it would go click click, click, 532 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:11,359 Speaker 1: click click pop, and she'd have to reset the handle 533 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 1: and click click click, click click pop. So you know, 534 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 1: it came to me with a half a tank of gas. 535 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 1: And Jessica's you know, she's smart. She you know, she's 536 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:23,880 Speaker 1: she's she's on target, she's on point. She's a young mom. 537 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 1: You know, you got to respect and love young moms, right, 538 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,359 Speaker 1: they learned about life real easy or real quick that 539 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:31,399 Speaker 1: it's not so easy. And you know, if they can 540 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 1: take care of a small kid, they kind of have 541 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,520 Speaker 1: it going on with a car too. So she explained 542 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 1: all the symptoms. They all sounded right to me. So, 543 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 1: you know, how do you attack this? Well, you know, 544 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,600 Speaker 1: I always go back to the analogy of if you 545 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:50,000 Speaker 1: had a soda can and you only had a hole 546 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:52,359 Speaker 1: in one side and tried to put water in it 547 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,080 Speaker 1: at the faucet, It kind of doesn't go in easy, right, 548 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:58,000 Speaker 1: It sort of sits there in bubbles and right, it 549 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:02,280 Speaker 1: doesn't really have flow. You always have to put a 550 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 1: hole on the other side, because you have to let 551 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:08,119 Speaker 1: the pressure in the can out as the water poors 552 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:12,879 Speaker 1: or pushes in. So it's the same thing with filling 553 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,480 Speaker 1: up the gas can or the gas tank, right in 554 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 1: this case the gas tank. So if your car is 555 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:21,399 Speaker 1: slow to fill, you've got to stop and say, well, 556 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:23,720 Speaker 1: you know, the hole that's supposed to be there on 557 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:27,119 Speaker 1: the other side of the can isn't there, So you know, 558 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,000 Speaker 1: where are we going to find it? And how are 559 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:33,719 Speaker 1: we going to find it? In Jessica's case, you know, 560 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,959 Speaker 1: it's you've got a gas tank like all cars, and 561 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:40,480 Speaker 1: you've got a charcoal canister like all cars, and you've 562 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 1: got a vent valve like all cars, the vent being 563 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,160 Speaker 1: the electrical device that they open or close when they 564 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:50,240 Speaker 1: want to allow pressure to be released or they want 565 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,680 Speaker 1: to let air out so that they can fill the tank, 566 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:56,960 Speaker 1: and so on and so forth. Well, it passed an 567 00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 1: EVAPP monitor test. I was able to give it. That 568 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:03,720 Speaker 1: funny thing about Hyundai is beginning model year eighteen nineteen, 569 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,640 Speaker 1: Hyundai has gotten more restrictive on what they'll let scan 570 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,800 Speaker 1: tools do, and we were able to do any of 571 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,919 Speaker 1: that monitor test and it passed that it had functionality. 572 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,600 Speaker 1: I had no fault, I had nothing pending. I didn't 573 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 1: expect it to be bad, but I always check it. 574 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,720 Speaker 1: So now, well, what do I gotta do. I've I've 575 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,399 Speaker 1: got to split the system. Where's my problem? Is my 576 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 1: problem in the canister or the tank? Or is my 577 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:30,680 Speaker 1: problem in the vent or in the vent feed going 578 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,720 Speaker 1: up to the top of the fuel filler neck, Well, 579 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:36,879 Speaker 1: the charcoal canister, because this is where I would have 580 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,320 Speaker 1: put it is located on top of the gas tank. 581 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,360 Speaker 1: Now the gas tank. To get the gas tank out 582 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 1: of a twenty nineteen Hundai Tucson, you've got to take 583 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,280 Speaker 1: out the drive shaft, the rear differential, the exhaust system, 584 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:52,720 Speaker 1: and the lower body heat shields. So simple. So I 585 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:58,719 Speaker 1: split the system. I disconnected the feed coming off the 586 00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 1: canister leading up to the vent valve, tied it up 587 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,040 Speaker 1: in place, and sent the car out on the road. 588 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:07,560 Speaker 1: And now what Jessica has got to do? As I 589 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,240 Speaker 1: told her, now go put gas in it? All right? 590 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 1: If the system fills, what does that mean, we'll tell 591 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:17,920 Speaker 1: you what. Let's pull over to take a pause. When 592 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:19,640 Speaker 1: we come back, I'll explain to you what it means 593 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 1: if the system fills with the vent disconnected and we 594 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 1: can talk about it a little bit in depth. I'm 595 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:26,120 Speaker 1: running Indie in the Car doctor. Eight five five five 596 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,160 Speaker 1: six zero nine nine zero zero. By the way, get 597 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,800 Speaker 1: out to our Facebook page and don't forget to follow 598 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:34,280 Speaker 1: us on Instagram at ron a Inian and by all means, 599 00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 1: you know, get out to our YouTube channel and take 600 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,720 Speaker 1: a look there. And if you don't can't remember all 601 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,560 Speaker 1: these things, cardoctorshow dot COM's got you covered. Just get 602 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 1: out there and that'll do it for you. I'm running 603 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 1: Ani in the Car Doctor. I'll be back right after this. 604 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:55,480 Speaker 4: Don't go away. 605 00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,160 Speaker 1: Okay, So where were we that's right before the pause. 606 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,760 Speaker 1: We were talking about the Hyundai and you know what 607 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 1: to do with the fuel system, So you know, running 608 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:06,400 Speaker 1: in the car doctor. By the way, in case you're wondering, 609 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:08,959 Speaker 1: who's this strange man on the radio, Well he's not 610 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:10,920 Speaker 1: just strange, but he is on radio. Well he actually 611 00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:15,720 Speaker 1: is strange. He could be Tom though laughing. So you 612 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:20,320 Speaker 1: know this this nineteen Hundai Tucson that was difficult to 613 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:24,800 Speaker 1: fill the fuel. Like I said, I disconnected the vent 614 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,280 Speaker 1: which is the line coming out of the canister leads 615 00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:30,720 Speaker 1: to the vent valve and now let's go. Let's go 616 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:33,560 Speaker 1: put gas in the can or a gas in the tank. Right, 617 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,560 Speaker 1: if this is a gas can, you ever try to 618 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:38,880 Speaker 1: put gas in a gas can and you don't open 619 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:40,760 Speaker 1: up the vent so that pressure can be released. On 620 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 1: the other side, all I'm doing is providing an access 621 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,760 Speaker 1: for pressure to release all the time. Just as a 622 00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,840 Speaker 1: test disconnected, I took the vent off all the time. Now, 623 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:50,960 Speaker 1: if you still can't put gas in the cann or 624 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:54,040 Speaker 1: you put gas in the tank of the vehicle with 625 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 1: the vent line open like that, then your problem is 626 00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:01,280 Speaker 1: either in the charcoal canister or the tank. It's that simple. 627 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,640 Speaker 1: There's just no other way around it, all right, there's 628 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:06,840 Speaker 1: something there that's causing the pump to click off, and 629 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:10,240 Speaker 1: it's one of those two. The bad part and the 630 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:12,960 Speaker 1: reason you have to do this all right and think 631 00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:16,880 Speaker 1: like this in some cars is because it's not easy 632 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:18,920 Speaker 1: to get to any of this. The canister, like I said, 633 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:22,120 Speaker 1: is located on top of the gas tank. The labor 634 00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:24,240 Speaker 1: to get to it, to pull the tank, to drop 635 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:27,120 Speaker 1: the rear differential on this whole wheel drive vehicle, it 636 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,040 Speaker 1: gets expensive. You've got to know that what you're doing 637 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:34,440 Speaker 1: is practical. Now, the one test I wanted to do. 638 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:37,960 Speaker 1: But and I started to talk about this before and 639 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,320 Speaker 1: the other segment where we were talking about the vehicle itself. 640 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,800 Speaker 1: The one test I wanted to do was I wanted 641 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,960 Speaker 1: to see if I could gain control of the purge 642 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,840 Speaker 1: and the vent valve and show up the fuel tank 643 00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:53,440 Speaker 1: pressure sensor. And here's what I would love to do 644 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:55,880 Speaker 1: if the engineers let me, but they won't. I would 645 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,160 Speaker 1: look at the fuel tank pressure sensor. Fuel tank pressure 646 00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,600 Speaker 1: sensor reports whether the tank is in a state of 647 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:05,640 Speaker 1: vacuum pressure or somewhere in between. And you know, typical 648 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:09,200 Speaker 1: FTP will display about two and a half volts sitting 649 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:13,160 Speaker 1: there at keon engine engine running at idle, you know, 650 00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:15,960 Speaker 1: and if you pop the gas cap off, you will 651 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:19,800 Speaker 1: see it change. And you know, I would love to 652 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:23,600 Speaker 1: be able to close the vent, open the purge, does 653 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,960 Speaker 1: the FTP move and then open the vent? How fast 654 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,120 Speaker 1: of a response, you know, kind of looking to see 655 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:32,600 Speaker 1: is the event restricted? But I couldn't do that because 656 00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:35,880 Speaker 1: they didn't They didn't give me that option for whatever reason. 657 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:39,040 Speaker 1: And like I said, hundi's getting very restrictive, so it 658 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,880 Speaker 1: you know, it becomes an issue, you know. Anyway, So 659 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,320 Speaker 1: we'll say, you know what, I'll report next week. Jessica's 660 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:47,360 Speaker 1: got the car now and she's going to be out 661 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:51,040 Speaker 1: there driving it around. And you know it's I guess 662 00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:55,360 Speaker 1: what I'm trying to express is when you work on something, 663 00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:59,479 Speaker 1: all right, take it apart in your head, put it 664 00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:01,240 Speaker 1: on the bench, put it on the bench in front 665 00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:02,960 Speaker 1: of you. How would you test it if it was 666 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:07,880 Speaker 1: all by itself? And you know, can you prove that 667 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:11,920 Speaker 1: to be bad? My guys at the trans shop. I 668 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:15,479 Speaker 1: talked to Todd this week and Todd was banging his 669 00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:18,480 Speaker 1: head against the wall on an older Chrysler product that 670 00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:22,200 Speaker 1: was setting fault codes that indicated possible internal trans issue 671 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:26,520 Speaker 1: or a bad solenoid pack. And he own tested the 672 00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:30,080 Speaker 1: solenoids and they all tested good. And he looked at 673 00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,000 Speaker 1: wiring and he went through wiring, and he tried this, 674 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:33,640 Speaker 1: and he tried that, and he did all his testing 675 00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:37,760 Speaker 1: and he said, I can't prove anything bad. And I 676 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:39,680 Speaker 1: don't know if this has relevance to the conversation. I 677 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:41,400 Speaker 1: think it does because I'm trying to make a point. 678 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:47,280 Speaker 1: You know, it just it just became everything tested correct. 679 00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:50,440 Speaker 1: It was an older vehicle, it had well over two 680 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,640 Speaker 1: hundred thousand miles on it something like that, and it 681 00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:56,840 Speaker 1: got down to what's the highest rate of failure? And 682 00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,520 Speaker 1: you will get to that in this business. You will 683 00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:02,080 Speaker 1: get to the point of what is the highest rate 684 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:04,880 Speaker 1: of failure, what's the part that fails the most? And 685 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,560 Speaker 1: it will become a guessing game. And that's not your fault, 686 00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:10,720 Speaker 1: because after you've exhausted all other methods and you've tested, 687 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:15,359 Speaker 1: and you've done legitimate testing, sometimes you got to play 688 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:19,440 Speaker 1: mister Spock and guess your best. It just becomes inevitable. 689 00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,520 Speaker 1: In Todd's case, we guess that it was a solenoid 690 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,920 Speaker 1: pack based on pattern failures because we did our research 691 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,160 Speaker 1: and we were writing that's and that ended up fixing 692 00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:29,719 Speaker 1: the car, even though everything owned correctly, and we could 693 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:31,640 Speaker 1: have scoped it and we could have ramped it and 694 00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:33,399 Speaker 1: looked at current and blah blah blah blah and done 695 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:35,759 Speaker 1: all that and waited the three weeks until the fault 696 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,160 Speaker 1: occurred again. But we wanted to get the car out 697 00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:40,919 Speaker 1: the door. So sometimes testing isn't always so clear cut. 698 00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,160 Speaker 1: And I guess that's my point. I'm running any in 699 00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:44,960 Speaker 1: the car, doctor, I will be back right after this. 700 00:34:45,040 --> 00:35:04,160 Speaker 1: Don't go away. Okay, Hey, we're running late. We're sounding great, 701 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:07,560 Speaker 1: but we're running late because this hour has flown by. 702 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:09,680 Speaker 1: I've got to get out of here. But I just 703 00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:12,319 Speaker 1: want to point out that you know winter's here. I 704 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,919 Speaker 1: keep reminding you guys of this that it's really time 705 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,279 Speaker 1: to think about winter. Get ready and doing what you 706 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,799 Speaker 1: have to do. Batteries, fluids, wiper blades, lights, it'll be 707 00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,520 Speaker 1: here before you know it in force. Keep in mind 708 00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:27,120 Speaker 1: there's still a part supply shortage, so you want to 709 00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:29,200 Speaker 1: make sure you're staying on top of things and you 710 00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,360 Speaker 1: get your vehicle in good ship. It's been a pleasure. 711 00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:33,120 Speaker 1: I hope you have enjoyed it as much as I have. 712 00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:34,759 Speaker 1: Till the next time. I'm not a naming in the 713 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:38,600 Speaker 1: car lock. You're reminding me. Good mechanics aren't expensive. They're priceless. 714 00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:45,600 Speaker 1: Let's see it.